Hikaru Suspected of CHEATING | Eric Reacts
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- Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2023
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Wow, let's all listen to what the GM who has never even won a Titled Tuesday has to say about this! Seriously, GM Hikaru reacts to a single video of yours and now you are some sort of chess expert? Nobody cares about your opinion. And how dare you say "I can't be 100% sure..." OF COURSE YOU CAN!!!! Hikaru is NOT A CHEATER. 100%!!!! You are a washed GM who is living off the back of Hikaru's reaction. The only appropriate response was to condemn Kramnik and Nepo and call them out for being the losers they are for this blasphemy. Shame on you chessbrah, shame on you.
You are 100% correct! Shame on this loser eric!!!!
Shame on you where did u learn to call someone loser
Pin of shame
@@Brian-tx5ezexactly what I was thinking the pot calling the kettle black
“Nobody cares about your opinion” you said it yourself buddy.
"Wow top 3 player in the world wins quite a lot"
Very cool Kramnik.
Top 1 when it comes to online :)
Second best is drunk carlsen?
@@haymatlost_it's Cagnus Marlsen
I mean Kramnik isnt sayi ng that Hikaru is a bad Player. But eben top Players could possibly cheat for whatever reason
@@SuperBiggy17
Do you really believe Naka needs an engine? Kramnik is hitting the bottle again. He's not serious.
It doesn't shock me that he won against an FM and IM 45 times in a row in blitz / bullet.
I'm shocked it wasn't 100
He was losing in at least 4 of the games, but in the end he won 3 by flagging and drew 1. Perfectly consistent with the rating difference.
Today those 5 players have an average rating of 2946 vs Hikaru's 3314
He trounsed Simon Williams a few years back. Pretty much anyone who isnt a top ten-twenty player could get a tough time against him.
Okay a 3000 vs a 3300 wins at least 1/45 tho cmon
300 rating is huge. Doesn't seem like much, maybe. But you cannot lose to a 300 lower rated player. That almost never happens.
Hikaru streams his games and talks you through the moves as he goes constantly. Not sure what kind of drugs that dude is on.
Don’t think he cheated, but if you are a super grandmaster you could talk through why the computer recommend move, is the best move extremely easily.
The drug is called Iliterallydontcare
@@Boberman286 That's fair, but also Hikaru talks pre-moves a lot and talks about moves he plans to make down the line. Not saying it's impossible to cheat in blitz online, but it seems very unlikely in HIkaru's case, especially considering how fast he moves and how many hours he plays on camera.
@@Temptthedevil The same thing counts here. I don't think Hikaru is cheating, but it's a lot easier to cheat and get away with it when you're already a super GM
he can be good at chess and still cheat you if you see the top computer move you can always try to explain why it is the best move what you say doesnt prove anything
Hikaru isn’t my favourite character on the chess scene but taking any subjectivity out of the equation it’s clear he’s not a cheater. As Eric mentions, Hikaru is exceptionally talented in the speed format and clearly outlines in great detail the ideas behind his moves. This “Cheater-Gate” situation is getting way out of control!
Exactly. To the layman, Hikaru doesn't talk much sense when he is making moves while dancing to music on stream, but to the connoisseur of Hikky content, it is obvious he is constantly outlining very human (but brilliant) plans with comments like "I take the juicer and consolidate", "takes takes takes and the juicer is hanging", "juicer here", "What is that?!", "you guys did I just blunder? Omg I just blundered. Wait no I might be alright. Okay I like my position here," "I should be winning here, but it isn't clear. I'll just flag him I guess," " you guys I literally don't care", "Okay chat I need to focus", "He should resign here. This is Gg's."
It's not like Hikaru plays weird deep computer lines lol. He just has insanely quick pattern recognition. One of his favourite openings is the King's Indian Defense, which computers hate. It's objectively bad for black but he plays it anyway because he's so good at playing positionally and making small moves with deep understanding of how the endgame will play out.
He's not playing brilliant moves every game or anything of the sort. He just plays insanely good. I think even Magnus fears Hikaru's ability to wriggle out of lost positions.
I love Kramnik, but this is kind of an embarrassing accusation.. especially when he is playing people with high online ratings who probably don't have anywhere near Hikaru's rating in classical chess, and probably have half the experience playing chess that Hikaru does.
If anyone should be accused of cheating, it would be people with a 2900 online rating beating Hikaru like... three or four times in a row. That I would find more surprising tbh.
Hikaru made chess his entire life. He doesn't have side quests like Magnus. And people are surprised when he is inhumanly good at it?
I also hope Ian isn't seriously accusing Hikky of this.
Sorry for the long reply/ rant. I was just responding to you mentioning Hikaru outlines his plans during the game, which he totally does. And not in a "the chess speaks for itself" kind of way. He makes his plans understandable for his viewers, which is saying something (I am one of his viewers from time to time)
Ian had a pretty tough history with Hikaru, I don't want to say it with100% certainty, but the dude seems to hate Hikaru. Which is why imo, if Hikaru ever get accused of cheating, I bet your ass Ian would be in one of them
@@aa-fi9ks my take is that Nepo thinks kramnik's attack is at least flawed - imao!
Well said
He was beating an FM and IM, and he’s one of the best if not the best blitz player in the world, and this is truly surprising he’s beating them consistently?
Yeah kind of crazy to me Hikaru kind of like a legend
he's never won the world blitz championship so calling him the best blitz player in the world is the biggest stretch ever. It's like calling the Belgian football team the best team in the world for being ranked #1 at some point despite winning sod all
@@Matthew-bu7fg largely an irrelevant point, he’s currently number two in the world according to the rankings. The original point stands firmly. The difference between a super grandmaster and a very weak grandmaster is almost day and night, yet we’re surprised the number 2 in the world in blitz can destroy some FMs and IMs?
@@Matthew-bu7fgonly because Magnus exists and Magnus is just so much better than everyone else. But Hikaru has consistently won second and third place in otb world blitz championships.
@@3rdEarlRussell but Magnus still isn't 3600. It is true that Hikaru's online performance is much better than what he does in World rapid or blitz. To quote Hikaru himself, "is pretty sus ". But yeah his otb performance have also been consistently decent, so imo not enough reason to doubt him.personally I think Hikaru just has nerves issue in world titles, plus Magnus is serious there.
Hikaru isn't just insanely good, he's insanely famous and insanely scary to play against.
So when people play against Hikaru, not only are they playing against a chess beast, they're very often also playing much worse (scared/passive etc.) themselves.
This is a good point
Yeah extremely good with its media bots army too
True for magnus as well, maybe even more. Hikaru himself said he once felt that pressure against magnus and these days he feels more relaxed which leads to him playing better against magnus at least in online matches in recent years.
Yeah I agree. @@x0cx102
Exactly this, it’s surely a big factor in why Alireza doesn’t dominate online blitz like Magnus and Hikaru do even though he’s rated higher than both of them OTB in blitz. Also Magnus and Hikaru both consistently get bad positions out of the opening so they’re both used to turning games around and swindling in time pressure. It’s not remotely unfathomable that Hikaru could go on a streak like this against considerably lower rated opponents occasionally when he plays so much online blitz
Hikaru doesn't cheat. He plays at a ridiculous level otb too. I sense just a lot of sour grapes, lol.
Jealousy.
Sour grapes?! Impossible. Russians would never do that. Clearly a chess conspiracy.
Yeah jelous people man
Russians come from a place where you don't have democracy. Delete your comment. That was the stupidiest thing I have ever heard@@bigolboomerbelly4348
yes Hikaru's generation is outrageously good, they make the old Soviet players look slow and sluggish
Whether due to jealousy or paranoia, Kramnik is losing his way.
Kramnik is a former world champion.I don't think he's jealous.It's just that he's lost his marbles.
Geniuses always end up mad in their old age. It seems to be inevitable.
@@jackbicknell4711 yes - it is because the neurons become destabilized and all logic goes out the door
I've seen his streams, he has good streaks. I don't think he's cheating, some days he's just feelin it, as any player does, and at his level he sees the next move that much more consistently when he's feelin it 😂
That's also what makes them at the top. They can enter these state of groove more than other people and perform at high level. When they are hot they are hot. Like how stars in other sports, you see top tier nba players just starts to feel in and goes big time consecutively more than those normal nba palyers.
Yeah. I have gotten up to nearly 2100 before on a really good day, but on a normal day I'm about 1800-1900
Who knows
Like messi's goal against Bayern 2015. People didn't suddenly accuse him of using drugs just because he scored that goal, did they? @@marksun4292
He's also basically only playing IM's and FM's during the streak
Getting called a cheater when you’re just too strong is the highest achievement possible in any sport
Unless you are a cheater, then its not an accomplishment but youre just getting exposed you midwit, go watch another thousand hours of crybaby hikky streams
Hikaru is just insanely good. Who can eat, talk, explain his options, listen to music and still win. And why would he throw in a draw. As you said an examination of his record shows he gets in a groove and players crumble. And when he blunders he "tricks" his way out of trouble more often than not. Some people no matter what sport have super quick reactions. He is one.
Seriously. Who would throw in a draw?? "They wont get suspicious if i make one draw after 45 wins..." hahahahah
Magnus can also be drunk as hell :))
Kramnik has just lost his marbles mate. That's all it is.
@@jasonmdt watch before talk. He almost lost many games and got his way through flagging. Or tricking his opponents to blunder. Just salty ppl who can't become good so they mad or just some internet troll to get some likes.
@@jasonmdt dude at least pull up a random game and just look at it to know he's not cheating. Another youtuber already pulled up a random game and Hikaru played so poorly and only won because his opponent played extra extra poorly.
the draw was located somewhere in the middle, not after 45 games. it's a super weird place to pick a draw if he was going for some consecutive wins run. i mean, at least take a look before posting a comment. when it comes to cheating scandals, you don't want to be a student of kramnik at this point who reads the title of a book and submits his paper 😉
There is little chance Hikaru is cheating. You've got to think Nepo and Kramnik are either paranoid or playing psychological games. Remember, Nepo has to play Hikaru in the candidates, and on form Hikaru is one of the favorites to win.
Ooohhhh sneaky russians 😮
Had the same tought.
Yeah, it's looking certain that the winner of the candidates is gonna be American, be it Fabi or Naka.
Hikaru will beat him
It's normal for players to have streaks well above or below their rating, especially if they're playing constantly as Hikaru does. I'm sure I've had times where I won 10 or more games in a row and just had a good flow or some luck. I've also had much more mixed results. Without any evidence, these top GMs just come across as salty or paranoid, which undermines the fight against actual cheaters.
This is the correct answer, it's a probability question. Sure, a specific streak like this is a huge outlier, but when you play tens of thousands of games like Hikaru, it's much more probable.
my best streak is 13 wins in a row, lost that rating shortly after lol…as you say statistical outliers are to be expected and Hikaru having outstanding performances being historically one of the best at blitz is not strange at all
@@3rdEarlRussell yes and those 10-15 win streaks, which are definitely achievable by regular players, happen against opponents of roughly the same rating, imagine you were constantly playing people 300 points below you (like Hikaru), those streaks would be much longer. I once won 42 bullet games in a row against my brother, who was significantly lower rated than me. Kramnik doesn't have any understanding of statistics.
@@aftermath4096 tbf he is not 3300, his skills are 3400+, like Magnus, but it's an unsustainable raiting due to the lack of player above 3000 and because of the fact tha any GM can be very annoying and play for a draw to suck his rating
I have won more than 50 games on a trot. It just depends on matchmaking. I hav also lost many consecutive games. My total win% is around 60%
The greatest chess player to ever live says that when he plays Hikaru, it is the pinnacle of our sport, it is as good as it gets. That's how good Hikaru is...
Magnus said that about Hikaru?
Source please
Magnus never said that, in fact Magnus spanked Hikky about 25 times in a row before hikky finally won one, AND Magnus plays the most garbage openings imaginable just because h wants to have some fun
@@user-ez7ls2du9c What? He did say that after BCC & Magnus literally lost lmao
If you watch "WOW. Kramnik Accuses Hikaru Of Cheating At Chess" by Epic Chess where he just pulls up a random game, immediately that game proves that Hikaru had 0% chance of cheating as he even failed to find the comeback moves and only won when his opponent kept on messing up even more.
I'm gonna sum up ALL of this Kramnik drama right now: Kramnik just started playing online a year ago, he is 50, he simply doesn't comprehend how good people can be on their computer with a mouse and keyboard especially in shorter time controls and the only way his ego can rationalize it is by saying everyone is cheating.
Congratulations to Hikaru for his excellent performance, and what an embarrasing display of poor sportsmanship from those accusing him. I'm no Hikaru fan but he is obviously not cheating, he plays much too fast, explains the thought process behind his moves, and most of the time reads chat while doing it. His opponents weren't even GMs. Just embarrasing.
" what an embarrasing display of poor sportsmanship from those accusing him"
Magnus and Hikaru hiding their face somewhere after reading this.
@@masoodjalal1152how dare they accuse an admitted and proven cheater of cheating. Blasphemy
Kramnik’s methodology is too crude/naive. His methodology also accused Danya, iirc.
Kramnik is an old degenerate
I find Eric "a bit interesting".
Hikaru is too prideful to cheat.
Is that even possible to cheat in bullet or blitz against top player? 😂
@@anakkecil-bq9vuimagine the frequency of the bead
exactly
@@anakkecil-bq9vuyeah. People were caught red handed doing it successfully. But dont think Hikaru cheats. There is just not really an incentive for him to cheat.
@@kunalsingh4418 It would be so hard. He streams for hours. Imagine being the person feeding him engine moves all that time. Highly unlikely.
Saying Hikaru cheating is insane. This man had won most online touraments, streams everyday ,explaining his moves to you mortal, does well in over the board and still get accused of cheating. Did people go insane after Hans incident?
I didnt watch this video but the fact that someone unironically accused Hikaru of cheating is kind of hilarious. Short of Magnus there is pretty much nobody in the world with less incentive or need to cheat.
@@1234444rbiYeah. Though I'd be interested in someone doing an evaluation about the level Hikaru played there and if he had other streaks with comparably good gameplay (like accuracy). Although it's of course way easier to have better accuracy if you're opponents play badly. So due to nervousness or being triggered, you probably can't tell anything from that data :/
@@HiFisch94the accuracy was there I think, it was around 90+, not 99.
@@1234444rbifreedom of speech
@@HiFisch94 there was one game where Hikaru was dead lost, mate in 3 or something and he miraculously end s up winning. His accuracy in that game was 63%. Kramkik is just embarrassing himself at this point
@@Funnygooner10 He obviously turned off his cheats for that game to lower suspicion.
Not to mention Kramnik dishonestly cherrypicked the streak. After going 45.5/46 Hikaru immediately lost to the same opponent, yet Kramnik left that result out as it didn’t support his narrative
A streak is called a streak because it ends somewhere. He took the latest streak and made his analysis based on that. IDK what are your expectations here? You wanted Kramnik to mention every single game?
@@masoodjalal1152 you have to look at an entire population, not a cherrypicked subset, to draw an inference about said population. By your logic if I flip a coin 100,000 times you’d accuse me of cheating because somewhere within that population I had a crazy streak that in isolation has an extremely low probability of occurring 🤦♂️
I have literally watched thousands of hours of Hikaru streaming and there is no possible way he is cheating. He is just that good. And despite the differences you two have had in the past, he actually does like you Eric, he does root for you, and he always gives the chessbrahs credit for being the forfathers of chess streaming.
Thousands of hours? Do you have a job?
self employed, work from home@@BaadMotorFinger
@@BaadMotorFingeryou care? 😂
@@armandsusen6277 another no lifer joins the chat..
@@BaadMotorFinger I take that as a “yes”
Hikaru is amazing at blitz/bullet obviously, but tbh based on all his boomer moments on stream I really don't think he's technologically proficient enough to hook up some live streaming in-the-moment stockfish setup, especially for blitz.
Of course he has personality flaws but I don't think cheating is one of them.
Hikaru was also already playing a ton online like 20 years ago at a really young age, right? so even leaving his blitz and bullet skills aside he's more experienced at playing bullet and blitz on a computer than anyone at this level.
I've seen him wax people on ICC. That was forever ago
There are programs that show you the moves through an overlay that won't show up even if you stream the browser since it's a different program that overlays the screen, so if you stream the browser it won't show the overlay. I don't think Hikaru is cheating btw
@@VaoDxArchAngelseems like you have experience the way you’re spamming that.
@@VaoDxArchAngeleven if that is true with the overlay. How on earth is he managing to explain us his thought process and how does he play so bad (I think I saw 1 game with 65% accuracy). If there is evidence (statistical) that supports the accusation then onlinechess is dead. If Hikaru is "cheating" then there will be statistical evidence that everybody is cheating online.
@@Monika77ful Like I said I don't think he's cheating, I'm just saying it's possible
I grew up watching Hikaru play on ICC and he's insane so ya, he really is that good and that consistent. I watched him crush 1800s with 10 seconds vs 5 minutes. It's just absolutely insane. He can move faster than he can think and it's almost always correct.
Just by instinct, he can instantly play lines I can only dream of
Another thing to keep in mind too is how Hikaru grew up. He had the unique experience from a very young age playing week after week in new york at the new york masters playing very strong IMs and GMs at the time in rapid and blitz A LOT. That is really the basis of his strength is likely from that time and why he's so consistent. He ingrained all those really strong patterns from an incredibly early age and faced that over and over relentlessly. It also explains a bit why he's not always been at Magnus or Fabiano level because you can develop some bad habits playing that way all the time.
He might also be a bit autistic as well, repeating many times the same things@@ChessDiagnostic
In a 2 second him can will 1000s
Hikaru is simply ahead of the curve when it comes to online chess, especially blitz. ofc it's possible he's cheating, but one hot streak isn't evidence.
Let's also remember that hot streak was against only 4 players. Who were probably dehabilitated psychologically by him when in an L steak
@@MC-ep8cuyeah, quite possibly tilted
To think Hikaru can even attempt to cheat in online Blitz is just words of a silly man.
@@BongelaMnguni Think it's silly? I would say that about any GM. But here we are. A player whoops Magnus OTB, and is a 100% cheater though. Coming up with the most bizarre reason.
@@ItIsYouAreNotYourto be fair, otb classical is MUCH different than online blitz. If you’ve ever watched Hikaru play blitz, he pulls so many losing positions out of the gutter by putting time pressure on his opponent. As an example, magnus’s worst classical loss in the last 20 years came this year against someone rated like 2550 or so? And he loses to people 2400-2500 pretty often in titled tuesdays. It’s not even the same game
You are right. Hikaru has everything. There is no need for him to cheat. He is also very aware of cheating in the chess scene. So why should he risk anything by winning 45 games in a row by cheating? Makes no sense. He's just crazy good.
Let's remove the name and ask a more general question: why would an abstract GM cheat in TT? For money. Why would he also cheat out of TT? For practice. In short, if you have a setup that gives you tips from engine through your headphones, you need to sometimes practice playing with this setup, so that in decisive moment you can enable it and it works smoothly.
I'm not accusing Hikaru, neither does Kramnik. Kramnik just found a statistical anomaly while processing the data, and shared it. This statistical anomaly should be explained. Something like "IM players are intimidated by Hikaru and loose" is one possible explanation. But this explanation can be statistically checked too.
@@sergeysmyshlyaev9716It is already explained. 'IM players are significantly worse than Hikaru'. Having an unbeaten streak of 46 against players 300-400 elo below you is not a 'statistical anomaly'.
Accusing Hikaru of cheating requires a way better effort than just pointing at a winning streak. The man has exceptional talent, literally the n2 in the world (can't keep track if 2 or 3 vs Fabi) and has been n1 in fast formats. Not only that, he has been one of the most vocal since the beginning of cheating scandals in online chess, vouching for double webcam ruling for money event and so on. IF any serious evidence was brought to the table, than we might have something to discuss, but honestly, if it ever turns out that Hikaru had cheated even once (and for that matter, the same applies for Eric and Aman) my mind would explode and most likely I would completely lose interest in chess as a whole
Agree, you can look at the individual games and see that they stack up.
Flagging is a skill that doesn't translate in the same way online as to in person. Without good reaction speeds, good mouse precision, and understanding your opponent's next move you will never be able to beat somebody who does have these skills. It becomes much more like other forms of online gaming at that point. Hikaru is the perfect storm of great chess and great Computer skills.
I wouldn't call it computer skills as he really is such a Boomer, but he's a great online player😂
Also a point in defense of Hikaru is his speed in puzzle rush, that's important to me
Robson is the best at puzzle rush
You don't even have to think about it very much. This is clearly a badly constructed accusation.
You can't just look at the amount of games. You have to look at who he is playing against. All 46 games (for a total of 45.5 points) were against basically 5 players. The players are:
Artur0208 : IM, Pe0la : IM, LiamPutna... : FM, Njal28 : GM (1 game which was 68% to 63.1%), artin10862 : FM, legendisback1 : IM. He was playing people that were IMs and FMs the entire time with one GM game which was probably back and forth. The top GM blitz player in the world can wipe the floor against IMs and FMs which is what happened.
I don’t think Kramnik or Nepo have bothered to watch Hikaru livestream and explain his reasoning as he goes, if he’s doing this whilst relying on an engine to help him at that ridiculous speed in some endgames, then I’m a monkeys uncle.
Yeah right if he can multitask to that level at that speed it's almost more impressive lol. That's why it seems unlikely to me
Apes together strong?
@@MC-ep8cu Somehow you just made an argument for him cheating without realizing it. If he can multitask at that level, it just proves that he can also multi task a cheat along with it.
"then I’m a monkeys uncle."
Looks like you are already.
@@masoodjalal1152 I never argue with relatives online. Especially nephews.
You are all very much mistaken.
It is not Hikaru.
It is Aman with a wig on !
Nepo insinuated someone in Ding’s team stole his sleeping pills before the WCC tiebreaks to sabotage him and that’s why he lost. He’s a clown.
Seriously? Wow...
One can criticize Hikaru for a lot of things but he's not a cheater. He can be disrespectful to his opponents in the heat of the moment but he respects the game.
And without the heat of the moment lol he's a complete douche (though I don't think he necessarily cheated either).
Hikaru has borderline accomplished this against top GMs in competition before. Unless he is just cheating all the time, this is pretty on par with his baseline level of incredible play.
Amazing to me that all the top guys are complaining about all the other top guys cheating while simultaneously being completely innocent themselves.
any top gm that thinks hikaru is cheating is just jealous that he's way better at online chess than them
I think it'd be insane to think Hikaru, of all people, is cheating. And if it's Kramnik making the assertion, we can just dismiss it altogether.
Mathematics is the proof. I am not fan of VK or Hikaru. One is World Champ, second is very good player. BUT!! Not at level 4200 Performance. Is non existant for any human. It mean easy win over stockfish for example 10/10, which is the opposite is the truth.
Your statement makes it ckear you are ignorant in the areas of mathematics and chess ratings.
@@drakestorm46911. The proof is statistics and 46 games is not a large enough sample size in this case to draw a conclusion. In a 1000-game sample, he would take losses. 2. He didn't perform at a 4200 level
@@ccjl9160 yes, he played at 3600 then his play dropped, that is why his rating fell under 3300
Yup, brainless Hikaru fanboys would do exactly the same. Hikaru can never cheat, you 100% sure? Turns out Kramnik didnt name anyone and Hikaru was the one to point out it was him. If Hikaru had shut up, i wouldnt have figured who Kramnik was talking about. But looks like Hikaru's ego couldnt take it.
Hikarus Reddit post just crushes this theory. He was beating up on 23-2400 FMs and IMs who are good at blitz (2900). Not that surprising considering he’s literally the GOAT at blitz.
Goat at blitz ? He hasn't even won a single championship!
@@kingmystery2136 Dude whatever even Magnus says he’s the online top of the food chain. Blitz live is kind of stupid.
@@mikecantreed Online and over the board aren't the same. Anyways, regarding online chess you could say he is but for me it's magnus. However, over the board chess he, clearly, isn't.
@@mikecantreed Magnus said that only pertaining to bullet though.
@@kingmystery2136I know right. Besides the five otb Speed Chess Championships that he has won, what has Hikaru done? Nothing. Such a loser.
Nah.. Kramnik is just jealous.
Kramnik has been on that Fischer road a while now. Fortunately, he's only ambling down it slowly so far...
Risk to reward ratio doesn't check out. Unless you're saying he's always been cheating all the time, the setup is always on and he's been cheating for 20 years and owes his entire viewershiphood to his uncanny ability to cheat online, and oh that whole over the board thing he does, he's just lucky. Like, what are we even talking about here, he's got literal zero incentive, he gains nothing, and he stands to lose huge huge huge should it be the case, what are we doing here?
I'm no fan of Hikaru. But I'm pretty certain he's not cheating
Honestly Its good to see that eric keeps it 💯 % real
Big hikki and eric always had their differences and never been close to eacher ( if we don't count the front Jard incident )
But eric has no problem giving hikki his credits for being an insane chessplayer
hikaru multiple bongcloud speed runs even beating someone in a tournament high tournament with the bongcloud... hes as legit as it comes
I think Kramnik forgets that there is an intimidation factor when playing Hikaru that gives him a definitive edge. Maybe not 300+ points worth, but it’s something. At the end of the day, Hikaru is just that good.
When people start accusing you of cheating then you know you doing something right in your life - the ULTIMATE compliment
Wow cool, so cheaters are the most accomplished and respected chess player in the world according to your "logic"
@@user-ez7ls2du9c according to your "logic" you think Hikaru is a cheater - prove it or shut the front door ;)
Not only is Hikaru extremely accurate, but he also understands the 'meta' of the speed format better than anyone. He knows when to use his time, when not to, and every last trick in the book to trick his opponents under time pressure.
no fire witout smok
Hikaru is too Professional too Great a Player no reason to do anything underhanded
You can see right on the accuracy Hikaru is only a couple times over 90%. The one game at 99.4% was 11 moves so that's all opening theory. A lot of times he's in the 70s. He's either not cheating or has a really sophisticated engine programmed to make slight errors to throw off suspicion.
Thanks for sharing the data!
Hikaru reacted to a video from Fabi the other day and he was basically saying that due to how good top players are at the game they could cheat on a handful of moves maybe even 1 and win the game every time. Fabis' stance was the only way to detect this would be to look at the outcome of the games because cheating on 1 or 2 moves would not influence accuracy in a meaningful way.
I don’t like Hikaru but he has to know the risk/reward ratio in this spot makes cheating an almost certain impossibility
Its a certainty that your IQ is no more than 2 digits lmao
If he is cheating during those games while he is streaming, he is one of the greatest actors of our generation.... #academyawards
Errrmuhgerrrd. The best blitz player in the history of the universe went on a heater. Shocker.
Thank you for a balanced take on this hot topic!
First of all, he streamed these games, and second of all, he always explains his moves/train of thought, something cheaters don't do
Good points.
Not that I believe Hikaru is cheating, but he explains his moves on a very surface level that even a 1500 can usually understand, he doesn't go very deep into nuances or long calculation. Which is to be expected, it's difficult to do that.
i was going to say this. he explains his moves. a cheater would be clueless as to why
@@SoupSailorhow the hell is he going to go in depth with commentary in blitz.
@@SoupSailor I'm 2400 and his commentary is good. Sometimes it goes a bit quick but most of the time I can follow along with the calculations in real time. It's still obvious to me that he's leagues stronger.
To a 1500 it may seem quick or underexplained. That's because after you play for years, you build your chess common sense to the point where things that seem complicated to weaker players are taken for granted and not even calculated anymore. I notice this difference even when playing people 200 points lower than me and hikaru is almost 1k higher than that. The skill gap is much larger than you think.
Hukaru is so good people think he is cheating ahahahha
Hikaru also streamed these games. This is when He broke HIS record elo of 3336. The point was he was streaming it live of course he didnt cheat, we all saw it.
I don’t think Hikaru is cheating, however online gaming is rife RIFE with examples of cheating while streaming, and it would not be particularly difficult to cheat while streaming chess. I disagree with the argument that streaming while “getting achievements” guarantees those achievements as legit, especially in chess.
@@Chris.4345 Reasonable point to bring up, but chess is nothing like CS or something, he sits there and gives his thought process for every move
@@timcannon5384 notihig easier then cheating in chess while streaming.
There's nothing stopping him from cheating while streaming.
Why would he cheated against fm and im. Hes a super gm, ive seen alot of gm playing simul blindfoldedly against bunch of master and win without effort
Why does no one address the fact that he's also only 5' 2 " . The chess world needs this scandalous truth to be brought to light .
He literally said only Hikaru is good enough to get a 45 streak, he and magnus are the best (4:05)
As much as I love ripping on Hikaru for his bullshit ass behavior (sometimes..) he’s a fuckin king at blitz and chess in general. That’s why I give his arrogance (specifically) a pass because if I was THAT good at anything, I’d probably be the same way. He’s just nuts. He doesn’t even need to cheat ffs. Hasn’t he shown multiple times that he’s found the best move faster than the engine? I’ve seen Aman do it too right here :)
He literally sometimes goes through lines just in commentary faster than the people with engines can evaluate on livestream for tournaments. Saw Qd3 immediately in Ding's win against Nepo while Fabi and the rest were trying to look at inferior lines
Aman's a character. I've seen him draw against cheaters, and make no mistake: these GM's are good enough to even draw and sometimes win against cheaters. Their chess game is incredible as a rule.
Why would ANYONE ever think Naka would be cheating, let alone top GMs and former world champions? I mean even if he wasn't a time-tested and proven insanely good chess player, how would cheating even be possible when he streams so many of his games? (ceiling stockfish maybe?) I don't have a dog in this fight but Hikaru would be at the very, very, very bottom of the list of chess players I would suspect of cheating.
Its very easy to cheat in chess and being a well known GM just makes it easier, im sorry that your IQ is so low that you cant fathom that, but it really is like that. None of the reasons you gave on why he couldnt be cheating make any sense outside of your fantasy world... Lets try and stick to logic and facts next time instead of whatever this crap is lmao
While no one can rule it out 100%, I believe it's extremely, extremely unlikely that Hikaru is a cheater. Winning over 40 games in a row is an impressive streak even playing people 350 points lower rated but not that unlikely, especially considering how much he plays online. He is just that strong of a blitz player. I don't think Kramnik should've posted this.
If you a see a statistical anomaly, why won't you share it? He was not accusing Hikaru directly.
@@sergeysmyshlyaev9716 Apparently he has doubled down now. Kramnik has lost the plot. Also, he doesn't know how statistics really work, his analysis is wrong.
@@Axiomatic75 did he actually post the calculation so I could check them?
@@sergeysmyshlyaev9716 I don't think he did
this was really fair to both sides. appreciate your clarity on the situation
Yeah I don't buy it, I've seen him dominate completely doing things that would distract others. He is a machine
I think online-Hikaru wins way too many "objectiveley worst/lost" positions to be cheating.
I mean, it's obviously true:
it's possible to use engines in order to play best moves just AFTER you get a worst position.
But it's also true that, VERY often,
the best move is NOT the one that gives the most chances at swindling the opponent from a worst or losing position,
in online Blitz (and Bullet).
Thanks for your videos!
Kramnik has no reason to suspect Hikaru , this streak was nothing out of the ordinary given the battle Magnus and Hikaru are going through over ELO
Damn that electric swing music is making Hikaru robo dope chess.
Hikaru is explaining so freaking well what he's doing.
Hikaru is a 2800 FIDE level player, he is right up there with Magnus and Fabiano, he's been arguably more consistent than Fabi and he's been practicing online chess a LOT.
What I noticed from playing a lot of online chess as well was that concerning my abysmal over the board skills (due to board geometry being in 3d irl and such things) I find it much easier to play online than over the board. It's not as easy to spot tactics over the board for me anymore, being accustomed to 2d layouts.
I could see a case made for Hikaru's online skills like that. But then again, online he's as good as Magnus (who plays more otb) otb, Magnus is a bit better (who plays more otb) so logic seems to work out. Hikaru's speed chess is amazing, that's for sure, but he explains every detail in his games, has reasons for every move, calculates out loudly, it's perfectly transparent what he does, so I find these cheating allegations against him might be due to jealousy?
England not beating North Macedonia is hilarious lmao
I really respect that he can put the differences aside and stand up for what is right.
He's frustrating to play because he plays like an engine. If Magnus hadn't been born then Hikaru would have been World Champion.
Hikaru is playing better now than he's ever played in his life by far. He may be the person to overtake Magnus in rating.
I dont think its about cheating. I think its about inflation of elo in general by farming.
What reason do any of these accusers have other than "he wins a lot?"
The new argument going around is that the only way to detect cheaters is to look at their record. Hikaru reacted to a video about it the other day from Caruana. The TLDR being that cheating on 1 move would be enough to make a game you are even on a win at the top level, and they are good enough to know which move they would need help on, and that would not show up noticeably in accuracy checks.
Lol what reason did Magnus have
@@MikeKing001 Thanks for this info. But it seems like the scenario you're describing is one where detecting cheating is possible by identifying move quality on "critical moves" and comparing it to some baseline expectation. That seems to be different from looking at their record.
@DaggerMan11 Any move in chess can be a critical move. Top level players find the best move all the time.
@@MikeKing001 But if top players find the best move all the time, how can a player's record be the basis of cheating accusations? Wouldn't it be reasonable to surmise Hikaru is winning all the time because he's finding the top moves all the time? If it were the case that Hikaru is cheating now but hasn't always been cheating, there should be observable differences between the former set of games and the latter set i.e., oversights in critical moments that exist in his older games but no longer exist.
I am not a good player. But I think the concept applies for everyone:
I had a couple of days in which everything is right. My mindset, my nutrition, my sleep scedule, my motivation to think and get better and so on.
I gained 150 points during that time, just winning and winning within around 3 to 5 days.
Now on the other hand. I played again a bit more where almost all those necessaties were not true and lost these 150 points again.
I can see how a player in the top ten can have a couple of days of an absolute performance peak.
In the gaming world, being called a cheater is the highest honour a salty opponent can give to you.
When chess is in ur blood u don't need to cheat
As just as I don’t always like Hikaru’s personality, he’s just a monster at chess, no way he’s cheating.
There's a good chance these games occurred while Hikaru was streaming, and may have even been turned into one or more YT videos. So you can see Hikaru as he chats about user comments and his position, thanks subscribers, eats breakfast, and crushes hedz. He often gets into trouble and denigrates himself for it, then finds a way out. A trained observer can watch this display and tell us, is he fooling us? It seems unlikely to me.
He is wearing headphones while doing this, right? Maybe we could ask Hikaru for a couple of no headphones streams and compare the results?
Hikaru was live-streaming his games, eating occasionally, whilst commenting, I doubt he would be able to cheat, with everyone watching. He was making his moves quickly, with his thoughts explained to the chat, so he couldn't be using stockfish, because stockfish cant keep up with Hikaru's speed and doesnt have any reasoning to explain, it just tells you the best move.
the no headphones rule is hilarious, doesnt really mean much imo unless theyre also requiring 5 webcams set up to show all around you and constant monitored audio and you have to play naked on cam and you have to show you're not up to any of that beads business
actually headphones are about the only way in which cheating blitz is feasible.
@@carlkligerman1981 lmao
Who's to say the person shown in the webcams is even the one playing?
@@jiaan100 Terrible argument. Naka could have a metal device in his ear, he could have some sensory device behind the computer. You need to trust the player at some point lol
@@vercot7000 I think you misunderstood me and we actually agree
The thing is, Kramnik takes the best winning streak of Hikaru’s 30 years career. Of course, if you take the best winning streak of any person, results are going to be significantly higher than their average play…
yes, you would at least have to take the whole year of his games
"Kramnik takes the best winning streak of Hikaru’s 30 years career."
Correction: Kramnik takes the latest streak of Hikaru and immediately reports his suspicion. You report what happens right now, instead of going over something that happened in the past. He saw something happen and responded at the same time and you are upset about it and making a weird case with no legs to stand on. It was hikarus best streak, but it was also his latest.
@@masoodjalal1152 Regardless it doesn't mean anything. Taking a simple elo-based prediction doesn't account for naka flagging people, or mouse speed, etc...
Great thumbnail! Credit to the maker
Nothing like some good chess drama 😂
It's a shame to see this. Nepo is one of my favorite players and it saddens me to see this. Hikaru isn't cheating, he's clearly insanely good. Why did he win the Fischer Random championship against Magnus? Because he's crazy good.
Ian is literally backing up Hikaru he is not accusing him read what he wrote carefully
"Hikaru isn't cheating, he's clearly insanely good"
Nieman is no cheating, he's clearly insanely good. Its a shame to see Magnus accusing Hans after losing a game.
Funny how people knew Hans was cheating because Hikaru said so, and suddenly the same people know Hikaru is not cheating because he said so. Double Standards/Hypocirsy whatever you call it, is clearly at display in the comments.
@@masoodjalal1152 I would agree with you, I think the chess world is on edge now that engines are clearly so good and so easily accessed. The most likely scenario is of course that neither Hikaru nor Hans were cheating when accused. Hans, however, did have a history of cheating online so it's a bit more founded, but I still agree with you, he shouldn't have been accused without proof.
If hes cheating... Do you think he would have EVER let Hans beat him recently?! LOL
When did Hans beat him?
Most of those games were against the same person. I would imagine after losing multiple times they just tilt and lose even more.
Eric, you have an excellent way of discussing this topic and are very level head. Can you discuss how hard it would be to cheat in blitz chess. Many times the moves are in less than 3 seconds.so Is it that he would have to cheat on moves that take more that 5 seconds. Also how would he keep the moves up to date on his iphone when moves are so fast. Even with headphones how would all this happen that fast. I cannot see the response time would be that good.
Did you guys watch how Magnus and Hikaru are crushing everyone else on speed chess? freaking big gap between those two and the all the chess player. Probably only 3-6 people who has the chance to beat them lol. People might seem to catch up on classical but speed chess is just different for those two. Not surprise on Hikaru's performance on blitz.
would be interesting to see his worst streak
Pretty sure the Nepo tweet is pure sarcasm.
"Hero we deserve, but do not need" vs "the hero we need, but do not deserve."
Both versions have come up in the Batman trilogy, and obviously have different meanings behind them.
Who knows though before he clarifies himself, just really doubt Nepo would think Hikaru cheats.
Sounds like a great example of selection bias in that case. Even tho i'm not sure wether selection bias can be as much a thing in chess (elo). It not being about chance.
This new drama is so fucking funny, it's going to sustain me for at least a week
Love the thumbnail!
hikaru not cheating, he just sweats chess
Eric, good job on this! Congrats for being honest!
Hikaru headphones is the bottom of the chess iceberg
Half the time he's singing what he's listening to. And it's terrible, lol
Ofc if Hikaru or Magnus play tens of thousands of games, once theres gonna be a crazy winstreak at some point....some of these games where in the 80s accuracy, not even that good for Hikarus Standards.
To be fair, GMs doesn't need to copy all the moves unlike the rest of us who stands on 500-1500 ELO range. All they need is just one move to turn the tide for them and they can work the rest out by themselves.
Appreciate the chess brotherhood, even if not not best friends offline