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This is not 'anti-Christianity' at all, it's a cult disguised as Christianity, just watch it and if you're religious I think you'd agree with me.
Hair looks much better like this mate
Christianity is a cult, it just survived and grew and now has splinter cults.
@@shubhamagrawal6359 yeah "Sanatan Dharma" is very interesting especially how close it is to science. Christianity has become a big MLM scheme now recruiting more and more members. I like their concept of God, just experience life. No need to shove God down the throat by a Cult.
Well I would clarify that all of these characteristics are innate to Christianity as a whole, but fundamentalist cults are just more adherent to the texts in a literal sense. The line between "cult" and "church" is extremely narrow. Steven Hassan's BITE model is usually a good tell tale of whether a group crosses that line:
Behavior Control - Check
Information Control - Check
Thought Control - Check
Emotional Control - Check
Sorry you had to go through that shit man. Been there done that. I went to college for Biblical Theology & Ancient Hebrew and slent 7 years of my adult life in active ministry sharing the gospel. I eventually left after realizing how much it had fucked with my psyche. Shit messes with you for life. The guilt complexes still mess with me now and I'm nearly 8 years an atheist.
It's rad you're willing to talk openly about it. I wish ya well dude.
I’m in a Slavic Baptist church, it’s more traditional than strict . I hope bad churches like these don’t turn people away from Christ
Brilliant. I'm a psychologist; have worked with cult survivors for years. You have a wonderful way of laying it out. This video will help more people than you know. Thank you!
Hi, Do you see patients over the phone?
Yes same question!! Do you see clients over the phone or do you recommend any other people like yourself
I also need belp
Also wondering if you take clients over the phone.. I’m not a cult survivor, but pretty close...
@@Sk8ngInDuval Free counseling is available online via something called telemedicine. I just found it today. If you have IG I'll PM the link to you and anyone else who needs someone to talk to.
It makes sense why you're so anti-corporte; the innate distrust of top-down organizations starts early. Don't blame you, man
😂
Yes i left the church.. don't like being manipulated and shunned by those who do and am anticorporate ..but I never made the correlation between the two till you mentioned it.
Ideologically, it's all the same. Kool-aid is kool-aid no matter how much it's watered down.
As unbelievable as the camp was, what really boils my pot is that your family said that they were disappointed with you. I would be livid if someone did that to my child. I am so sorry that happened to you.
Well no one can say you've had a boring life...
Lol
😂😂 Lmaoo man has been through it
Slowly learning that my life growing up was not infact normal. It was nuts.
@@JoshuaFluke1 LET ME CONVERT YOU, LET ME SHOW YOU THE LIGHT! 😂
...pls just give me a like
@@JoshuaFluke1 There's a lot of wild shit in the world, you'd be surprised when you talk to your coworkers about things. I didn't think arranged marriages were still a thing until 4 or 5 of my coworkers were in them. One guy met a girl at 8 am in the morning, got married, and had the ring by the same afternoon.
“I wanted to fit in, but I wanted to do it authentically. I never thought other people would be faking it. So I thought something was wrong with me” This resonates so much with me
Holyy shhhiiitttt yep.
Same here dude.
Me too, man.
Same
I added the same line to my quotes list. I was happy to see others shared the same impact.
I attended a " church" like this for years...the doctrine was supposed to be that you are saved by grace but they were always trying to earn their salvation...thank God I finally understood that my faith is not a religion but rather my relationship with my Lord.
Amen and amen.
AMEN I don't go to a church building anymore I have a relationship with JESUS and it's all I need, we are the temple of God and when born of the spirit the Holy spirit dwells in our bodies not in buildings made by humans, the word says there is coming a day the true WORSHIPPERS will WORSHIP in spirit and truth that day came on the day of Pentecost in Acts in the upper room and they were filled with the spirit and spoke with other tongues as the spirit gave the utterances, there is a true spiritual tonge from the Holy spirit be careful blaspheming the Holy spirit people, I know there are fake tongues as well, but I have the true language from God
Jesus isn't God though , Jesus had a God that you don't have a direct relationship with sadly.
This is awesome. I really respect this
Grace = God did All the work thru Jesus
AND we are GIVEN that grace and mercy and our own meritorious act is that we BELIEVE in Christ and his Perfect Sacrifice.
I didn’t realize I grew up in a Pentecostal cult until I did a sociology presentation in college. When I went up there, I assumed everybody would be familiar with the experiences I was sharing. They were in total shock. I still remember the look on their faces. The exorcisms, people screaming and rolling around on the floor and vomiting because they're full of demons. The hypocrisy, the pastor somehow buying a new car with no job while the church was struggling, my mom calling the Ninja Turtles demons and throwing away all our stuff. My Uncle trashed my cousins t.v. in front of the building while praying out loud because the cartoons were putting demons in his eyes. Years later my uncle got a reputation for exposing himself in front of women including my mom, he was still preaching on the street corner while still doing this. I have countless stories including the youth pastor getting arrested for sex abuse in the church basement, me getting banned from the front because somebody said I was using profanity, meanwhile all the teenagers that were allowed to participate in church activities were all having sex in the church basement and one got pregnant.
I know this is an old post but.......holy shit man (or lady)
That is crazy.
Shit! it's like some Muslims here...
What?! That’s crazy
Beautifully worded. Pick a week, any week in the bible belt, and this exact sequence of events will be found peppered throughout. Watching the madness of it absolutely tickled me pink when I was growing up. There were these stark moments at church or "revival" when the buffoonery of it all would suddenly strike me, and I'd just cut loose laughing hysterically at these wild adults. My brother would usually catch whatever hysteria had gripped me like it was some kind of contagion, and beatings for our mockery (or "demonic influence") be damned, man, it was worth it for the unadulterated and unrelenting bursts of sheer maniacal joy...
Fk, man, we still gleefully recount the many episodes to each other to this day, each scar a badge of defiance and a memory of all the times we unrelentingly mocked the absolute sht out of the adults. The more unhinged they became, the heavier their blows landed, the harder we laughed. Because we, *just to spite them all,* were free, and they couldn't stop us.
"And the devil will disguise himself as the Lord" or something something. Idr how the line goes.
But ya, that.
2019 Josh: Top 10 languages to learn to get a job in the industry
2020 Josh: I was in a cult.
This is the content I subscribe for. Keep doing what you doing, josh 👍
Ska 1 I'm legit still in shock from all his personal stories and don't think i'll ever recover
Sometimes I miss the coding videos though.
@@Eden519 xDDD he recovered.. but can his viewers?
I think Josh is opening up about a significant part of his life that is helping him, and perhaps others, to find fulfillment and happiness by dealing realistically with a traumatic event. Even if your whole life is non-religious and is only about software develipment, it would be quite common to experience trauma caused by others in which you placed trust. In that sense, it's a very realistic look at some of the issues you may experience just in a computer career. Some software firms suck up your entire life as if they were a religion.
Yes, the guy is a liar. Glad you enjoy his fake stories that he randomly makes up. But honestly, it's entertainment.
What's really sad is how many people honestly think this is normal.
No, what's disturbing is that this IS what is normal, but very few people over the age of 30 seem to even question whether this is healthy.
bro you are a netflix show
Lmao sometimes i think im in a Truman show
@@JoshuaFluke1
Your videos last week: Well in case I don't see ya, good afternoon, good evening and good night!
Silicon Valley mixed with Malcolm in the Middle. Id watch it on netflix
@@JoshuaFluke1 Out of millions of people and trillions of events some people are bound to coincidentally have stuff happen that feel like its an impossible coincidence. :-)
Maybe that's his spiritual gift
Pentecostalism is truly of the devil. This explains so much about how they treated you. I'm sorry they put you through all that. I've known adults who were sucked into that muck, but it must've been a real trip as a kid...I'll pray for your healing. 🙏 May God protect you and everyone else who escapes that trap. Thank you for sharing your story, hopefully it helps others recovering.
The reason why you don't hear about it is because most people didn't end up okay. And are increbily traumatized and embarrassed by it. I'm so proud you were able to stand up and say it. I'm horrified this exist.
Or they have serious cognitive dissonance and refuse to leave. 😭
I grew up the exact same way. Still have many old friends who I grew up with still in church speaking in tongues and running the isles etc. Alot of us turned into either bipolar or felt guilty about everything so many turned to alcohol or drugs because we were so mixed up and confused as to how to live a normal life. Its so hard living with guilt that your not chosen or good enough
I lost one of my best friends to a Pentecostal cult and it hurts my heart to this very day. I watched it quickly unfold. I was maid of honor in her wedding to this Pentecostal man and then she just sort of dropped me.
I feel you girl. I am kinda a reverse situation. Was in the organization but made the decision to leave. One of my best friends who I never thought I would loose no matter our differences dropped me like a fly once i decided to live my life differently. It sucks but just know that it is not anything you could have done. They can be very manipulative people and convince people that everyone outside is unworthy or sinful.
I lost my sister 😞
Its a type of abuse for sure. Isolating them away from their past self
That happens a lot.
I lost my best friend as well, many years ago now. She joined a Pentecostal cult at the same time I was exploring a different spiritual path. I could accept hers, but it seems she couldn’t accept mine 🤷♀️
My coworker is Pentecostal and invited me to her church, and me, being agnostic just wanted to see what it was all about. It was probably the most traumatic thing I've experienced. Everyone screaming in tongues and crying and falling over and I'm just standing there freaking out. After all the pastor people circled around me and all put their hands on me... I don't like being touched but now i was trapped in a circle of strangers. Very scary experience and i never went back again. My mom raised me Baptist and i didn't enjoy that either. I was no longer forced to go at age 16.
Yikes! And going with a coworker no less...not even a close friend. That had to be intense!
How was the discussion with your co worker after that?
I had a similar experience at a so called gospel church but I laughed my a$$ off bc it was so hyper and I felt so out of my element 😂. I never went back
Yes baby love I left a Pentecostal at 16. I was baptized and saved in one. But they almost made me commit suicide for making me feel like I'm not worthy enough. They didn't know my household was just the same. You ain't lie they are very strange.
that sounds awful, so sorry you had to go through it man.
This is so absolutely heart breaking. I grew up in a “Pentecostal based” church and so thankful to have not experienced any of this. I’m so sorry for your experience and anyone else who has experienced this. Absolutely horrible
The Catholics also made several communities like this to compete with the Christian cults.
Honestly Christians should take their Bible reading seriously. Like this is straight up manipulation. I'm afraid that these so called pastors that don't know what they are teaching and doing.
I grew up in a Baptist church but started going to a pentecostal church at sixteen.It was then,I started Learning about the gifts of the spirit and really about the Holy Spirit and how he operates.Also,I must say that I didn't have the same experience that this guy had going to a pentecostal church. It's sad what this guy went through and I hope God truly introduces himself to this man.
@@staceyveazey491 I think God is already with him as has been.
Having attended a Pentecostal church, I can say I’ve seen people speak in tongues but it was never everyone all the time. I believe in it because the Bible speaks of it but I also feel it’s a natural occurrence for those who have the gift. I’ve never seen anything like he described though he isn’t the first I’ve heard describe it this way.
Came here first for resume tips.
Then got the girlfriend cheated story
Then the loosing my family story
Now born into a cult
WHAT IS HAPPENING???
None of us could have predicted this trajectory 😳
Right, I came here because I'm in Lambda school and now I just wanna hug this guy. You've been through some crazy shit bro!
Hes a dramatic attention seeker, who uses emotional ploys to manipulate him into sympathizing with him aka a narcissist
@@BlastinRope hes sharing his life story man. wym
@@cameronhumphries2377 dont be so gullible.
@@BlastinRope you've got no proof that he's lieing
This makes me SOOO angry and heartbroken for you!!! I grew up going to all sorts of Christian camps with the very opposite experience. It was amazing and nothing like this at all. Man. I’m disgusted with everything that happened to you here. These adults in your life as a kid are going to have to answer to God on this. 💔💔💔
That is frigging scary man. It’s amazing you turned out so “normal”. I’m glad I grew up in Mass lol we don’t have that stuff here as far as I know.
massachusetts has cults too. you see them come to your door, riding bikes, etc. cults are all over the US.
@@destronger5313 Yeah, I think there's a pretty big Amish "community" in Massachusetts. I am sure not all Amish people are crazy, the majority are probably not. It is still a sect of people who refuse to join the majority due to backward beliefs that oftentimes hurt their friends and family.
This kind of indoctrination is cruel - just like residential schools and has nothing to do with God! El Diablo is in the house!
Pentecostals are all over MA as well.
@@TheRealFaceyNeck Also reminds me of the mormons like my ex and her family.
“I’m pretty relaxed, they don’t seem that relaxed” that killed me 😂
Right
At my friends church once I asked the Sunday school teacher “what’s a soul? Isn’t it the thing on your foot” and she was infuriated, and kicked me out. I was 8, and genuinely didn’t know at the time. Crazy.
I was told "patience is a virtual". I aksed my teacher to define the word virtue. She just gave me circular reasoning
Im using this response if anybody asks me if my soul is saved now haha. Yes i have great shoes to save my soul
@@mattpennell1231 You just created a dad joke, and I’m here for it 🤣
@@azsli2 - Patience is a virtue. A virtue is a very good personal quality or characteristic that a human should ideally have.
That’s what they do make you feel guilty and ashamed just for asking a simple question. 😕
Content I didn't subscribe for is slowly becoming my favorite thing wtf
as a non-relgious person, not brought up in a religious family, this sounds like the plot of a medieval JRPG
Lol, sounds like a dark game.
Lol, Sounds like dark one :).
Try Luminous Arc 1
Same here lol
Breath of Fire 2.
The first red flag here is there was no talk about a relationship with Jesus and God. It was all about “spiritual gifts” which shouldn’t be the first thing they teach.
The second red flag is when you were made to recall your sins which Jesus already paid for and isn’t necessary to remember them.
I’ve been through some church crap too. Thanks for making this video, keep it up man!
Yes Jesus did pay the price but it has to be received by repentance towards God and belief on the Lord Jesus Christ by faith.
@@saynotohookups
Yes, repentance. 🙏🏼💜
Why did Jesus even have to “pay a price”? Because Yahweh decided animal sacrifice was too passé? If you really think about it, none of it makes ANY sense. But, God’s ways are not our ways, we’re not meant to understand it...right?
Isn’t that convenient
@@michellebennett4015 he had to pay the price because he was the only one without any sin. Like, people in olden days sacrificed only the best to their gods no? Think of it in that way. Also, yes, god's way is different but he isn't going to hide it. Eventually he'll reveal it all. The Bible says that so.
@@michellebennett4015 the "price" is the cost of our sin. Everything that is wrong has a cost, at times it seems like it doesn't have a cost to the person who is sinning, at times it may seem like it only had a cost to others (stealing, talking trask about people behind their backs etc) but the cost of sin is being dead spiritually. The blood of animals never payed the cost, it only hid the sin, it was temporary. The death of Jesus not only erases sin but also gives us power to stop sinning. Think in terms of an addict that wans desperately to live a good and happy life but their adiction is stronger than their power to overcome it, the sacrifice of Jesus gives people the power to overcome these things they are so desperately ashamed of and wanting to overcome. Church should never be about shame and repression, it should always br about freedom from shame and to be the real YOU, the one God so lovingly created for a beautiful and meaningful purpose. Christians are supposed to bring light, freedom and love into the world, it's sad that so many are doing the opposite but it doesn't change the fact that that's what Christians are supposed to do. ✌️
I remember going to a church one it was my sisters boyfriend at the time. And the pastor was running around poking people and they would drop. He gets to me i look him dead in the eye and shook my head. Thankfully he didnt even try. After a few minutes the whole chuch was on the ground and it was just me and my sister standing. Sooooo awkward i had to get outta there
What kinda church was that lol
@@mrcheese5383 I had to look it up it was about ten years ago now. But from the website it looks like they have to same pastors leading it. He gives off major used car salesman vibes. But their pod casts description says it's an apostolic/ prophetic. The church has also been described as "super anointed" ... Whatever that means lol
@@RachelMarotta super anointed to the point they sell bibles signed by the one and only Jesus
@@abclove97 hahahha yess!!! Or miracle water that Jesus turned into wine and then back into water again.
@@RachelMarotta so basically onlyfans bathwater but renamed as wine turned into water lmao, sorry I have a really raunchy sense of humor
I'm so sorry that this happened to you. We should have more laws to protect our children against cult culture. Live your best life now love.
The red states would never allow that
@@porquee You're already a member of a far-left cult called the Democrat party. A cult that openly supports the mass murder of millions of babies.
Cults should be illegal.
“Just have faith”
Bruh, that’s like asking a science teacher why planets have gravity and his answer is “because they just do”
Do you follow Owen Benjamin?
In Christian school you are told "god made them like that" .
The difference we can do repeatable tests on gravity but not on God's existence.
@@stargazer2042 I used science to prove Gods existence. ... Every strand of DNA is signed by the creator.
That is an answer …
I hate when parents drag their kids into this brainwashing.
You know what, most people's brainwashing started when they were just kids. Most people follow a particular religion not out of personal conviction, but by the family and social environment in which they were raised.
Sad thing this us still to this day but in a different way normal in today's modern church.
When I was 5 my parents got divorced and my dad got remarried to a Pentecostal woman. I was forced to go to church every other Sunday when I was with him from 5-9 years old. It traumatized me. I had never been to church before. I felt so detached there, like I was in another universe. It was such a weird experience. I have so many negative emotions associated with religion after that experience.
the catholics have a version of this, and they also have those Holy Spirit and praying with tongues. because normally Catholics never read the bible. So they created sects to compete with the christian cults.
Exactly! That’s how I feel detached like I am always in a different universe. I’m about to just come up with my own church. Lol!
My experience with the church was quite different, I am Latino so my understanding of a Church will always be a Catholic temple, and Caracas is filled with gorgeous temples where you usually feel safe because they are all about silence. Culture is a thing.
@Eduardo Viajero Catholics do not speak in gibberish. Speaking into tongues is considered a miracle in which in which the speaker can speak in their language, and the listener hears it in their own. They don't recognize the vocal spasming as anything but silliness, like at the beginning of this video.
Of course, lately, they also don't recognize the Pope...
@@laurelsporter Catholics do pray to Mary and other “saints” who are not God or Jesus. They also call priests “father.” “Call no man the father but me.”- God.
They also say you have to confess to a priest as if they are the middle men to communicate with God which isn’t true biblically speaking.
He basically did Hell Week for SEAL Training
I grew up Pentecostal and this is spot on. And I wouldn’t wish this on anyone.
You need to come back to Jesus! This guy is a backslider and steering people on the way to hell!
@@ridinwithjake is gas lighting what Jesus wants? This ia why we left the church. Forced attendance from birth constant abuse and lies Pentecostal cults are sickening.
I started going to a Pentecostal church when I was 17. It was great at first and once I got properly involved it wasn’t good. I’m the type to ask question and it was as if you should just obey and not ask anything. It was exhausting having to always prove myself to people and always being put down for the smallest thing. I finally left for good when I was 23 and I can say it’s a privilege to be able to think for myself 😊
Same here. Not born into one, but went into one with my mom after my father passed. She's still there, we weren't HOLY enough so luckily got "kicked out"... it tears families apart.
@@ridinwithjake he’s exposing the truth, unlike you. This is a cult, not Christian practices.
I grew up in a Christian home and was raised in church. In fact, I grew up in the Bible Belt not so far from you. I went to a great church with great parents and never felt any kind of pressure regarding church. I was surrounded by truly God loving people who just truly cared about people. I agree that in today’s world you have to be careful about what church/denomination you go to. However, there are good people out there. I was never in a cult or felt pressured. I hate that there are churches who do this. They just manage to turn people against God and religion. Satan is alive and well and is in many churches.
Sure, I mean Satan doesn't always have to destroy churches. As the master of all deceivers, he can made churches look good and fine with the shadiness hidden from prying eyes.
Yes there’s no pressure until you decide to leave. Good luck with the satan of your church
@@michelen5728 I left my church and joined another one and no one disowned me from my previous church. I still hang out with my friends from there and go back to vist them from time to time. Real churches are not cults, they don't pressure you to stay or disown you when you leave.
@@godpilled9077 I meant leaving a religion, not a church, for example believing in a completely different god or not believing in god actually. But anyway... If you’re fine with your new cult good for you, I’m not here to make social experiment with anybody.
@@michelen5728 I have gay friends who left churches for this reason, same with people. I love where I go to church. They are open-minded and love each other.
Crazy to think that out of all those people you were the only one who seems to have had an actual “gift.” The gift of honesty and critical thinking. To be a child and not totally break under all that manipulation and pressure is truly a miracle.
I’m sure you had many emotional break downs but your spirit never broke. You stayed true to your self and didn’t lie to yourself just to fit in.
That’s amazing. Thank you for sharing.
Underrated comment
I’m a Christian who has experienced several different denominations, including Pentecostal. You definitely experienced a cult
...smells like a fire ...its probably a fire! 🔥
👍
So did you.
They all see you coming. My experience is that they're looking for and expecting people to come to their organization to practice religion. They don't care for individualists who in any way challenge any of the beliefs and practices, even when you can back it up with the Bible.
@@castielsgranny4308 Ok edgy 14 year old
This cult “goals” are strangely similar to corporate culture. Now I see why so many people fake fun and do stupid things in corporate cringe activities, they just want to fit in. I clearly see it now, I guess I have received my spiritual gift!
Joshua, I guess this is also your spiritual gift: unmask these kind of things!
spot on bro
Exactly. Its all about group pressure, an amazing tool to manipulate people in doing all kind of stupid things just to get along with the others, just to be accepted, just to be part of the team. And leaders KNOW that, leaders know they can force individuals to do and accept things that they would never do in normal life. When people accept doing all these weird things during "corporate events and games", they will also be willing to accept any irrational business decisions taken by their managers.
the gift of being curious
Pentecostals forget that "discernment" - the ability to see bullshit as bullshit and truth as truth - is among the gifts.
Well, yeah they are both using manipulating strategies sure there basic but its still manipulation. If you want control of people who must use manipulation, most people will fall for the most basic tactics too so it's quite easy.
I'm catholic and im not offended man, just so you know..my heart goes out to you with everything you've gone through. I can tell youre a good dude & i can only hope things go better for you.
you cant choose your family...and best of luck for you brother. keep your head up!
As a Catholic too, I think it's more balanced about faith and reason.
The bad part of our lives was when the fundamentalist or Bible Expert or Charismatics want to shove their interpretation to our mouth.
At least in modern world we didn't force shove our believe system and our interpretation to others.
@@davidbhaskara6880 I’m a Protestant and I agree, it’s more of a relationship than anything
@Neil Pinto
It's not like the Protestant did the same thing with money and celebrity
@Neil Pinto i can relate to this guys saying its like looking to an old self im literally laughing and sad at the same time..... i dont care if you wont believe after all im the same as you before i criticizing people for following cult.... truth is jesus wants personal relationship with you but god works in mysterious ways but for you to know christ you should read the bible and understand it that jesus want to save us all like being the symbol of gods love through different religions... he is killed by the pharisees or “cult” the leaders because they think they are the chosen people by god..... they fcked up pretty bad killing god himself 😂 but without jesus death i cant be save still im thankful to god jesus..... most of disciples died preaching to different parts of the world you can know a true follower if hes willing to die for his faith in jesus...
I am a Christian and I am so sorry you went through this. I am a Southern Baptist and my relationship with Christ is a personal one with Him. I was never forced to do anything like you experienced and I was always encouraged to ask questions in Sunday School. I don't care what pastor or person tells you something, always look for it in the Bible to make sure that it is in there and that it's not taken out of context . Always remember that the greatest gift is LOVE. The fear tactic that caused confusion in you is so wrong because God is not of confusion. Don't give up on God, He does love you.
Thank you, unfortunately Neo Calvinists have permeated much of the SBC . This is probably no surprise to you. Thankfully, wife and I found a new church home.
I'm from Nigeria, and it seems pentecostal rituals are sooooo consistent all over the world. This cracked me up.
I always wondered how people around me were chanting, and I couldn't get hold of the spirit.
I know you're not making this up for sure. Too familiar. None of it made sense to me.
I remember everyone falling under the spirit, people screaming at the top of their voices and crying. Felt really weird being the only one standing, but I never fell.
I’m Nigerian as well and my dad is a pastor. He would lay hands on people and they would fall down and have a conniption, roll around and wiggle then utter complete jargon (speaking in 👅‘s)
Well my dad always skipped laying hands on me because I wouldn’t go down😂. Then he told me to stop coming because I was bad for the brand🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Christianity has been very bad for Nigerians and Africa as a whole. It is a cult
I also relate 💯 to the realities in the video.
Lol.....I know this
I know, me too. I thought that something was super wrong with me, why didn't this affect me the way it affected the others. It was both traumatizing and humiliating experience. They guilt tripped you too if you didn't react the same way...
@@fabrizi7362 lmao
ruclips.net/video/fvocWD70zt8/видео.html this is in Ethiopia they are everywhere
I got cancer 3 times when I was 18-19 right out of high school. At the time I was doing a internship and religious coworkers knew I was not religious. They had the nerve to tell me that I got cancer because god was sending me a sign. What they don't realize is when you do these kinds of things it sends you in the opposite direction of religion. After all why would a good God give you cancer.
Technically cancer comes because of some problem in the body. Like inflammation that was going on for years. Poor diet could cause that. So...I would say, cancer is like a scream in your face "look at your health dude!" . Which is really reasonable....since anyone who has lived long enough will agree that we usually don't look at that unless you get hit really hard. Like I didn't took care about the food I ate until I got food poisoned twice and ended in the ER. Now I'm more careful with the exotic shit.
Nikola Nevenov Many people are genetically predisposed to cancer and even by living a very clean and healthy life they still get it other people are exposed to toxins because of where they live or maybe the water they drink in the city but unknowingly so they can’t undo it. Not all cancer is lifestyle many it’s genetic or environmental
@@NikolaNevenov86 Looking deeper cancer is a consequence of being alive at all. Damage that the body does to itself as a consequence of having moving parts in the cells. Some things can cause it to happen faster but if you continue living sooner or later a cell will have an error in the dna that will make the cell divide without stopping. The only reason why we don't all die from cancer is because odds have it that some people get it later and some sooner so the people who get it later die from other things first.
In a sense cancer equals old age. (Along with everything ells that is unavoidable damage the body does to itself in the long term and doesn't have systems to repair)
Eric Livingston Hi, I dont’ exactly know what is causing cancer but what I am 100% about is hat not God is causing it.
I grew up in this. Son of a female preacher as well. People slain in the spirit, speaking in tounges, constant fear of hell because they didn’t believe in “once saved always saved”. People laughing hysterically all service. Speakers pushing peoples foreheads til they fell over. As an adult I still feel very confused about how I grew up and I as well feel as tho I was in a cult.
Very useful Model to tell if you're in a cult
The BITE Model
I. Behavior Control
II. Information Control
III. Thought Control
IV. Emotional Control
Behavior Control
1. Regulate individual’s physical reality
2. Dictate where, how, and with whom the member lives and associates or isolates
3. When, how and with whom the member has sex
4. Control types of clothing and hairstyles
5. Regulate diet - food and drink, hunger and/or fasting
6. Manipulation and deprivation of sleep
7. Financial exploitation, manipulation or dependence
8. Restrict leisure, entertainment, vacation time
9. Major time spent with group indoctrination and rituals and/or self indoctrination including the Internet
10. Permission required for major decisions
11. Thoughts, feelings, and activities (of self and others) reported to superiors
12. Rewards and punishments used to modify behaviors, both positive and negative
13. Discourage individualism, encourage group-think
14. Impose rigid rules and regulations
15. Instill dependency and obedience
16. Threaten harm to family and friends
17. Force individual to rape or be raped
18. Instill dependency and obedience
19. Encourage and engage in corporal punishment
Information Control
1. Deception:
a. Deliberately withhold information
b. Distort information to make it more acceptable
c. Systematically lie to the cult member
2. Minimize or discourage access to non-cult sources of information, including:
a. Internet, TV, radio, books, articles, newspapers, magazines, other media
b.Critical information
c. Former members
d. Keep members busy so they don’t have time to think and investigate
e. Control through cell phone with texting, calls, internet tracking
3. Compartmentalize information into Outsider vs. Insider doctrines
a. Ensure that information is not freely accessible
b.Control information at different levels and missions within group
c. Allow only leadership to decide who needs to know what and when
4. Encourage spying on other members
a. Impose a buddy system to monitor and control member
b.Report deviant thoughts, feelings and actions to leadership
c. Ensure that individual behavior is monitored by group
5. Extensive use of cult-generated information and propaganda, including:
a. Newsletters, magazines, journals, audiotapes, videotapes, RUclips, movies and other media
b.Misquoting statements or using them out of context from non-cult sources
6. Unethical use of confession
a. Information about sins used to disrupt and/or dissolve identity boundaries
b. Withholding forgiveness or absolution
c. Manipulation of memory, possible false memories
Thought Control
1. Require members to internalize the group’s doctrine as truth
a. Adopting the group's ‘map of reality’ as reality
b. Instill black and white thinking
c. Decide between good vs. evil
d. Organize people into us vs. them (insiders vs. outsiders)
2.Change person’s name and identity
3. Use of loaded language and clichés which constrict knowledge, stop critical thoughts and reduce complexities into platitudinous buzz words
4. Encourage only ‘good and proper’ thoughts
5. Hypnotic techniques are used to alter mental states, undermine critical thinking and even to age regress the member
6. Memories are manipulated and false memories are created
7. Teaching thought-stopping techniques which shut down reality testing by stopping negative thoughts and allowing only positive thoughts, including:
a. Denial, rationalization, justification, wishful thinking
b. Chanting
c. Meditating
d. Praying
e. Speaking in tongues
f. Singing or humming
8. Rejection of rational analysis, critical thinking, constructive criticism
9. Forbid critical questions about leader, doctrine, or policy allowed
10. Labeling alternative belief systems as illegitimate, evil, or not useful
Emotional Control
1. Manipulate and narrow the range of feelings - some emotions and/or needs are deemed as evil, wrong or selfish
2. Teach emotion-stopping techniques to block feelings of homesickness, anger, doubt
3. Make the person feel that problems are always their own fault, never the leader’s or the group’s fault
4. Promote feelings of guilt or unworthiness, such as
a. Identity guilt
b. You are not living up to your potential
c. Your family is deficient
d. Your past is suspect
e. Your affiliations are unwise
f. Your thoughts, feelings, actions are irrelevant or selfish
g. Social guilt
h. Historical guilt
5. Instill fear, such as fear of:
a. Thinking independently
b. The outside world
c. Enemies
d. Losing one’s salvation
e. Leaving or being shunned by the group
f. Other’s disapproval
6. Extremes of emotional highs and lows - love bombing and praise one moment and then declaring you are horrible sinner
7. Ritualistic and sometimes public confession of sins
8. Phobia indoctrination: inculcating irrational fears about leaving the group or questioning the leader’s authority
a. No happiness or fulfillment possible outside of the group
b. Terrible consequences if you leave: hell, demon possession, incurable diseases, accidents, suicide, insanity, 10,000 reincarnations, etc.
c. Shunning of those who leave; fear of being rejected by friends, peers, and family
d. Never a legitimate reason to leave; those who leave are weak, undisciplined, unspiritual, worldly, brainwashed by family or counselor, or seduced by money, sex, or rock and roll
e. Threats of harm to ex-member and family
My upbringing.
Credit to Steven Hassan for the BITE model and influence continuum.
I'll come back to this when I need to create a cult
😄 is there a tldr version, bro?
@@GreenPlasticWaterCan yeah, pretty much. I honestly thought it was just JW, I come to realize it more than I ever thought
funny how they send him to camp because he played too many games, yet gave him the gameboy for the trip....
It was a trick. Made him less suspicious
Oh, so I'm not the only one who noticed that!
"Boom, there it is!"
Thank you for sharing...what a horrible and traumatizing experience 😢, so glad i left Christianity and will not be subjecting my kids to this... unfortunately my mother in law is very charismatic and i will be raising hell if she ever tries to put my kids through this
I went to one of those years ago. People were hysterical and saying made-up Hebrew or something that effect. I tried to pray and I realized that when I was praying, I couldnt focus with all of the chanting (spraking in tongues) going all around. Some girl was taken outside in tears, on the ground and hysterical. It was scary and looking back at it was really cringe
Well in prayer session it's only the ladies that goes into spirit they fall on the ground and start shouting or speaking in tongues
It must have been quite a scene. Incredible how easy humans are to manipulate in doing all kind of weird things by using Group pressure as a tool.
Someone once suggested that I go to a church activity one afternoon when I was around 17. At least I drove myself because when I walked in, I found a large group of people all walking around inside and speaking gibberish. I hadn't known what to expect before I arrived, but once I saw all of that nonsense I turned around and left immediately. I felt so incredibly uncomfortable, and I couldn't get out of there fast enough! And yet, as I was leaving, people outside who were on their way into the building looked at me like *I* was the crazy one!
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I don't know what church are youtlking abut, but several times I attended Pentacostal church in long island. There Wholy Goest "enter" men too.
Strangely oll wholy goast victims regardless of gender were not intelectually bright.
I am a grandchild of a deceased Baptist pastor who died before I was born. My mother was the Youth Advisor of our Youth Group, my dad was a Deacon. I have numerous clergy in my family from various religions. I write all that to say: This saddens me. Thank you for bravely sharing this. I think it shows you cannot force someone to get any kind of spiritual awakening, Holy Spirit experience etc. I am still quite spiritual but stopped attending church a few years ago because of things just like this.
Watching "Jesus Camp" gives me PSTD.
me too.
Same. I’ve seen it and it makes me want to puke. It’s horrible how many people have been through this.
Lol!
Grew up AOG... scary
@@iris8272 What is AOG? just type what your trying yo get across please!
I grew up Penecostal I know exactly what you’re talking about. My dad was a federal ex convict drug dealer came out of jail became Penecostal it’s just another drug!
Oh gawd... my dad also did federal time for drugs. I’m so happy he didn’t go down the religion route. That would’ve made my high school days suck even worse 😣... it’s bad enough having all of the teachers tell all of the other students parents about your family’s personal shady business but you know a teacher would never do that to a kid 💅🏼
I was part of one of these type churches in my adolescence and I was actually instructed to marry an abusive person. Yep that sucked!
When he kept saying «culty» I couldn’t help but thinking of Colt (colty) from 90 days fiancé 😂
😂
This sounds like kidnapping and like a concentration camp to me. How is this shit not illegal?!
@The Bricks & Ivy Archive - Because it's classified as "freedom of religion", and kids have no say where their parents send them to. I was also sent to a similar church camp, though not quite as severe as what Joshua Fluke describes here, but almost all the elements were the same. I was also the "odd one out" who couldn't feel any holy spirit while all the other kids (we were teenagers at the time) were all speaking in tongues and laying on the floor "slain in the spirit". I got sent back to my camp room and told to pray for hours until I "felt something", which I never did. So glad I don't have to believe that nonsense anymore, but this stuff really impacts you for many many years. Not just that one event, but all of it, especially being told you'll burn in hell forever if you don't accept Jesus. My Mom even hung a painting of heaven and hell on my bedroom wall that depicted many people falling into the flames of hell with a few people entering into heaven.
I’m a Christian and I completely agree with what you said . No I’m will come to God if you force it on them. You can’t brainwash them into it . If they are ready then they are ready
@@rainecoblentz5094 - But isn't Christianity a similar thing as someone telling you they want to be your best friend, with the conditions that it's your free will to choose. BUT if you refuse their offer of friendship then they will kill you? Would that be the kind of friend you would want to have, someone who issues a dire threat to you?
BibleGod issued an even worse threat than murder though, as you will be thrown into a lake of fire for eternity if you refuse his "love", or even if you can't believe in the stories of the bible anymore (like myself) then it's eternity in hell. Where is the love?
It should be illegal. This is child abuse
Imagine being God and people do this kind of stuff in Your name.
@@AndreyFere89 you have the breath of life from God and you're saying their's no God? If people still talking about God for centuries you may want to seek him before it's too late.
@@marjn1030 which one? There's so many Gods, how do you pick one?
@@AndreyFere89 I am God
mar jn you have been brainwashed since childhood. There are thousands of religions why do you only believe in 1 god?
dothedeed anyone can believe what they want, whether that believe in multiple gods or not
I was raised Pentecostal and when I couldn't speak in tongues I was told I didn't have enough faith.
I can relate to a lot of what you've said so far.
whoever disliked this is a member of that cult
Did you know that witches are recruiting children at church camps ? I found out there Is a witch at almost every church in town years ago.Some are still there.Some are pastors and Sunday School teachers.
@@wilmahardebeck5316 oh jeez
Right?? There’s now over 300 dislikes now that I’m just watching this.. 🤦♀️
I don't dislike this but I am so sad about it. The truth sets us free but we ourselves not able to do it for each other. We have to seek God ourselves and let him guide us.
And whoever liked is going straight to hell.
This resonated with me so much. I grew up in both an Assemblies of God church and non denominational Pentecostal church, and went to a private AG Christian school from preschool to senior year. I played piano, sang in the worship team, and taught. I was fully indoctrinated but was also a very inquisitive and thoughtful child. Unfortunately I was also apart of the LGBT community and because of how HORRIBLY I was treated, and because I was taught that I was evil for being that way, I learned to hate myself and hide it. I’d notice when things didn’t add up or inconsistent and would immediately be shut down. The speaking in tongues, crying, screaming, chanting, rolling around on the floor, all of that was normalized. I was so judgemental and had such a god complex, but I was traumatized and lonely. It wasn’t until a couple years ago at 19 that I made the decision to leave. Now that I’m 25 and I’ve been out, I can see just how fucked up my childhood and teenage years really were.
Mine is a similar story. Only difference, my dad was the Pentecostal preacher...Im 41...and free.
Gay and grew up in the United Pentecostal Cult.
Ohhh this hits home and is honestly a bit... ***triggering*** . I grew up in an ultra religious home, dad was, and is, a pastor. I was asked to speak in tongues, I couldn’t and basically got the same treatment as you, I got grounded for a month when I was 12. I remember being made to attend a revival with my parents, they made me “lay hands” on people to pray for them. I remember being so stressed out before this event that I broke down in the middle of the service and started crying uncontrollably. My parents took that as a sign from god that I was Having a spiritual breakthrough, and they took me out for ice cream after. That’s just one memory that I haven’t managed to squash down and repress. I know I have many more stories like this, I just have a really tough time recalling a lot of stuff from my childhood.
Sorry
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That is so hard to imagine, because we looked down at religious square families, and their constraints scared me. My heathen athiest parents who smoked in the house, got drunk, and I mean my dad had scotch every night from the gallon sized handle bottle, and the whole neighborhood would be over on Fridays and Saturdays. They had party after party and I cleaned up on Sundays all the cig butts in glasses smelling like warm scotch. We heard so much fighting between them and one car always roaring out of the driveway that I couldn't sleep well the rest of my life. But we never got religiously indoctrinated as children.
I just would go to church with a neighbor mom of my best friend. I was not Catholic, but the mass was easy to attend, and I snuck in line and got the wafer once. At 14 what happens? I become a born again and after that my brother does, so both my heathen now divorced parents had to endure the bible thumper kids from our twenties saying the xmas tree was a pagan worship idol and them fornicating was unacceptable. One of the smells that triggers my memories, some positive, most scary, is Scotch and cigarettes breath, or just a glass of scotch. I really tried never ever date a smoker because I can't stand the secondhand smoke, its like being trapped and I never dated a christian because there is a thin line of being into Jesus, and I didn't want to be stuck with some guy using the bible against me or being a hypocrite to where that's all can see about him.....funny. life is funny.
I am a Greek Christian Orthodox and I was raised to respect all cultures and religions. You were definitely grow up in a cult and I’m glad that you turned up to be such a great guy. Well done Joshua , I respect your struggles and everything you had to go through to become you ♥️
Thankyou, we've all been taught and brainwashed, fearful indoctrination. GO YOU!!!
i am a Giraffe and we are taught to murder all hoomans!! HABALUKI HABALUKI!!! \ O.O /
A Greek Thing: The Greek Orthodox Church is vehemently anti-LGBTQ+ & reinforces outdated gender roles. Do you subscribe to those Church teachings, sir?
@@tjb70 Yes we do.
@@tjb70 Yes. Not Greek Orthodox is anti-LGBT, but every single Christian denomination. Why? Because God is against it, therefore we are against it.
If you ever wanted an example of what 'indoctrination' actually means, this video paints a clear picture.
I am so sorry! Thank you for sharing! I’m a “Christian” -although I’m not into labels, but yikes this is scary that people still treat others like you were treated and this stuff is still out there! You probably handled this camp wayyyyyyy better than I ever would! Ain’t nobody get to play God like that
This makes my stomach hurt
This is BRAINWASHING
i grew up in the same culture. congrats on getting out, man.
I grew up catholic. They make kids go and confess their sins to a preist. You are told that you are bad but if you confess ur badness and say prayer, you will be forgiven. You can do this multiple times. That fucks you up. It fucked me up. I used to make things up because I thought i had to confess my sins .
They never told me I was bad.. sorry someone told you that.
It sounds like the "gift" is obedience. "If you just let us make decisions for you, your life would be easier".
Selecting for obedience makes sense if you're in constant danger (military / large predators), or if you're trying to brute force community and cohesion of thought.
But doing it without a clear threat just makes your party members see everything different as threatening.
Being in a very very very serious relationship with God, I can say that I grew up in this bullshit and it made me lose my faith for over 5 to 8 years before I got in a healthy community, that's where I restored my faith and saw the good side of things.
Agree this kind of thing is a hindrance to authentic spiritual growth.
I love how this is in my recommendations the day after I went to my family’s church’s mother day banquet where they, once again, tried to convince everyone “the rapture is upon us right now and if you don’t do xyandz and donate all your money to the church TODAY you will get left behind and die” and just pulling out any and every fear tactics possible. The faithful are FAITHful of their god not fearful of their god. You cannot truly love and trust someone you also fear will bring you harm for not being “good enough”
I’m not liking this new age “don’t read the Bible just trust what I’m saying as 100% truth” Christianity happening
OMGGGG I was brought up in a Pentecostal Holiness church ! Ppl talking in tongues & the whole thing. It IS A CULT.
Wow, I went there was filled with spirit, saw people slain, saw people touched, healed, I also have touched and healed.heard profetic messages. For me it was quite an experience. But nothing lasts forever,.
moral of the story when you have a game boy advance, keep it hidden.
bro i lost like 30 games too
@@JoshuaFluke1
_not_ _all_ _the_ _kids_ _speak_ _in_ _tongues_
pastor: something's not right.. Someone must have brought video games. *Search* *the* *bags!*
Mobile phones and tablets, as well!!!
@@JoshuaFluke1 F
F - rip
So glad you were smarter than all that! I'm sorry you had to go through that. My heart hurts for 14 year old you.
Brings back terrible memories of my childhood and early adult life in sick church groups like this. The best thing I ever did was get up the courage and leave. It wasn't easy. Thank you for telling your story, and being true to yourself.
I feel like lots of churches are like this, especially ones with anabaptist roots. And lovebombing is common in non denominational churches. Its a recruitment strategy.
Agree. Many people don’t even realize they are doing it because it’s a church culture thing. But as soon as you “go off the reservation” and start sharing your own opinion, you realize “your tribe” or “forever family” isn’t so into you anymore.
I'm middle-aged, from non-denominational churches, and never heard of such mess before
The ones with anabaptist roots are Baptist. I'm aware that there are problems in some Baptist Churches so if you don't mind me asking what did you experience there?
Agreed. Our Word of Faith church immediately love-bombed me as soon as I walked in one Sunday. They ended up being a cult and I left. Now when I go church-shopping, if I hear anything close to "Oh hi beautiful woman of God!" on my first or second week, I'm not going back. 🚩🚩🚩🚩
I started attending a church and everything seemed fairly normal. My teen daughter was going to the youth services and fellowship but one evening she came home really shook up... she described what sounded a lot like your experience. We never went back.
I enjoyed the video Josh. I laughed so hard!! That IS the "South". I had only seen it on TV before moving there, then I saw it myself. I see why they have such uniform behavior and manners, they force compliance. Brilliant! I understand you a whole lot more now. I also left the "South".
Josh, you’re helping a lot of people and yourself.
I went to a church camp that was a very lighter version of this for Catholics- it was called "Tec" (Teens Encounter Christs). There was some testifying, personal story telling, crying, etc- but nothing I would classify as harmful. Many of the same worst dynamics ffrom public schools played out there, as well, so nothing transcended the basic instincts of kids that age WRT how they treated other kids.
I have gone through this exact same thing. Now it’s so hard to have a healthy relationship with god because I really don’t even know what that looks like
Find some biblically sound friends/mentors. We are working through some cult trauma with a friend. Baby steps.
Or just realize that god doesn’t exist
There is no god... as soon as you realise that you will be happier, trust me
Thank you for sharing your story. I wasn't raised like this, but as a new parent, I decided to choose a private preschool and then school for my children, which was affiliated with a church that sounds a lot like what you are describing. We did this with the best of intentions for our kids and later learned it was a huge mistake. I remember driving my son home from school one day and for weeks every day he would tell me EVERYTHING possible about all the things he did wrong. Some of it was such silly little ridiculous things like he forgot to throw away some garbage or something else that was super insignificant. I was admittedly irritated after day 30 of all his daily confessions and I told him these things weren't a big deal and he didn't have to tell me all of these little things. He said, "but if I don't tell you all my sins, I won't be allowed in heaven". I was like, WHAT???!!! At the time, I thought he just misunderstood what was taught... He was in first grade. I now look back and think, "wow! I should've asked him more questions". We really had no idea. He later went through years of counseling to heal from the years we had him in this "good Christian School". I am sorry, you had to go through this.
Reminds me of when I was forced to be a Jehovah's Witness for my childhood while I was being sexually assaulted by my father. Since I was a Witness I had no one to turn too. He eventually was caught a put in jail and once I turned 18 I moved out and never turned back. However now I have mental problems as I can't adjust to society 10 years later.
Jehovah's Witnesses are an awful cult. The people can be nice and kind, the religion and shunning is brutal. I didn't got sexually assaulted while in it tho. I'm so sorry
I grew up with my cousins and aunt who was Jehovah's Witnesses. I knew they had some ridiculous practices but I thought the fanatical stuff was just my aunt being a fanatic. I didn't realize how much people went through growing up JW until 2019. Its a lot of videos on RUclips of ex JW's and how they left or what they went through.
Lots of their stories are on RUclips.
Hope it improves for you and you find good people.
This camp sounds like something straight out of The Simpsons.
Where do you think the simpsons got the material?
NOO I LOST IT AT THE VIDEO OF PEOPLE JUST FALLING DOWN OMG
When I heard that lady "speaking in tongues" I got ptsd flashbacks to my childhood. The video games and pokemon and anime were because of demons in my house.
...Don't worry ,Bro. The devil gotta.... counterfeit all the GOOD stuff- only GOD does !?!?! XX ;))
the kid who didn't get it
The kid that actually believed their bullshit and ended up getting in trouble for it.
some get a gift of the lord, some get a new gameboy, some get a rough time. very magic camp
to be immune to the power of the holy spirit josh is at least a demi god himself if not a god
My husband and I can relate to a lot of this. We both have religious trauma. It's super damaging to grow up thinking you are a rotten broken worthless person.
this reminds me of MLM. their meetings are definitely cult-like. I've been approached like 5 times to join one.
I've been approached only once. I think. By a second cousin I hadn't seen in more than ten years. He did not give the name of the thing. He just wanted to meet for coffee to discuss "a business proposal". I was too busy to go and only later realized why he could not name his business idea on the phone.
Sounds familiar to my upbringing. When you mess up you are shunned. You can never be redeemed in their eyes.
That is so contrary to the gospel of Jesus. I'm so sorry.
It is good to have an open mind, but not so open your brains fall out.
@@karacole2304 this is so sad. Missing out with so much joy with God and his life.
@@cathyakins3995...and having to face God without Christ at the end of his life. 😔 Extremely serious. Pray that God would save him and all others who have been affected by false religion. 💜
You funny as hell josh 😂 from pointing at the camera with those holy spirit gun shots and kamehameha to narrating this entire experience. This is comedy gold.
Holy shit. This is the exact experience I had growing up. Especially feeling like something is wrong with me because everyone else is “receiving their gifts” and just clicking with them but not with me. I grew up trying to “fake it till you make it” just to fit in.
First couple seconds I was thinking, "this guy probably went to a Pentecostal church like I did..." lol yeah, man...I feel you with all of that, it can hit hard and definitely mess with your head (especially as a kid).
A lot of this hit home with me. I was raised in a hard right evangelical type church. I also got kicked out of Sunday school for asking to many questions. I was not even trying to be an issue it just did not make sense to me, turns out I was right but I was only 10 at the time so I did not have the confidence to know that. Well the pastors wife who was teaching the class got mad because she could not answer my really astute questions so took me out of the class gave me a lecture and told my parents. I did not really get in too much trouble from my parents because my mom did not really like the pastors wife. But that memory still sticks with me because it shows that I started to figure it out at an young age. Also the bit about not 'feeling' it, I never faked it, I did not feel anything and that made me start to wonder what was up with this whole religion thing. Great video, I think this will resonate with more people than you think, thanks for sharing.
Came for the job tips, stayed for the fascinating stories
"I did something wrong - I'm so wrong... for not acting like a hysterical fanatic in a screaming frenzy..." 😭😭😭 OMGoood....
Did you say god? Haha just joking
The consequences of this type of mental abuse they put people through are unfathomable. They pretty much make you feel ashamed and guilty of being a mentally sane person and acting accordingly. Imagine the peer pressure of a large group of people doing that to you and how that can break a young person's mind forever... It's pretty fucked up.
I hated seeing that in church, Especially sitting in the front row
Dude, I turned 12 in 1978 when Jim Jones committed one of the most shocking acts in world history!
Jakie Speirs was shot 5 times and survived. She's retiring soon after serving our country for so long.
I'm shock that young people these days aren't aware of that trajedy.
I think the movie with Boothe Powers was too shocking for the mainstream, but it needs to be shown to everyone.
Ironically, there was sign over Jime Jones' dead body that read, "Those that refuse to learn from history are doomed to repeat it".
They took your gameboy, not the other guys.
Exactly. I thought that was pretty obvious. He was sent there for his “sinful video games” and he brought a video game. Of course it was the camp that took it. Can’t believe it took him so long, and still probably only realize it with this comment. Crazy story though.
You're on an important journey, Josh. Leaving all this shit behind can only benefit you, keep up the courage.
It is so evil to do that to children. To make them live in fear and inadequacy constantly..never being good enough. I would cry and cry at the alter and not really know why I was so "bad"..but I "needed" forgiveness because "we all fall short" and needed to regularly ask for forgiveness (aka feel guilty) for being a natural born sinner with my "evil thoughts". It was total control. I was a child! It baffles me! My parents would make me go, drop me off for youth group and not really know what was happening until that same church crossed the line in their own lives. They quit making me go and I found my way out of church establishment weird manipulation crap way of thinking too. I knew in my heart it all was wrong and I almost lost my faith..but thankfully, I couldnt abandon God and found joy and peace in the Word for myself and now, my own family.
It actually sounds like God was the one who didn't let go of you... 😊
It's not religion It's a relationship with christ and God. That is just between you and God
Yes agreed
What he went through was religion. Being forced to learn rules.
Yes
@@donbeck5109 no one should be forced
Absolutely. All that God asks is that. You make your own path, your xonnection with God or with spirituality, is personal
Crazy shit. I've also grown up in a exclusive religious group and I recognize some of the patterns you displayed. However, I did not know, that these things are actually happening in this intesity and I'm really overwhelmed by the fact that you are as independent as you are now. That video gives me hope to move on and out of the mental prison that I was forced into as a child. Thank you for sharing.
LOL! That awkward "fall" after the pastor told you to fall. I can relate. I'm also a super logical person... and I also got a degree in mechanical engineering. And I also left the field to run my own business. As a kid, I also couldn't BS. I never understood how other people could just do what other people are doing, just because other people are doing it. Now that I look back, children that are extremely curious and don't follow other people unless they understand things first, are best running their own businesses as adults rather than becoming employees. These kinds of things always make me feel like there are a large number of people that are NPC's just following the script they were programmed with by whoever is currently in charge.
I love how you clearly dealt with the emotional experience of being in a cult but the gameboy is what visibly upsets you
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The dumping of all your stuff looking for “sinful contraband” at the end of your stay and your gameboy advance went missing... yea they were robbing you little kids.