Discussing the Third Doctor's Dalek Stories | Are They Good?

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  • @bkatbamna
    @bkatbamna 9 дней назад +2

    Death to The Daleks is one of my favorite Doctor Who stories. I love everything about it. I love how Galloway is paranoid of the Doctor(a natural reaction to how the team is being picked off one by one) and ends up being a hero at the end. I also like how he's uneasy with the Daleks killing off hostages but understands that they need to work with them to save millions of lives.
    The Day of The Daleks is also excellent. I suspect a young James Cameron may have watched it.
    Planet is a little padded but I love the message that The Doctor imparts to the team leader at the end to not make war sound like a grand adventure.

  • @DarrenEden-ub4vj
    @DarrenEden-ub4vj 8 дней назад +3

    I have only seen the original. But I will say Jon Pertwee is and will always be my favorite Doctor.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  8 дней назад +1

      @@DarrenEden-ub4vj Pertwee was such a fantastic doctor.

  • @AnotherScifiGuy
    @AnotherScifiGuy 12 дней назад +11

    Day is definitely my favorite of the three Pertwee Dalek stories, and the special edition is the best version of it imo. I like the regular edition and the omnibus as well, but the special edition does so much to improve the story. Planet I’m not as fond off, it’s okay, and one of the rare times I prefer the original effects over the updated effects. Death of the Daleks is very underrated, I enjoy it a lot. The actor that played bellal in it just passed away recently, he was 104 years old! Great video!

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  12 дней назад +2

      @AnotherScifiGuy Yeah, I totally agree with you there, Prowl. I thought the updated fx on planet of the daleks felt unnecessary. The only new CGI shots that I liked were the dalek army & the eruption scene. I prefer the original model shots of the dalek ship.
      You & I are of the same mindset with day of the daleks. Special edition is the supreme version. In regards to Arnold Yarrow, who played Bellal. He did a marvellous job of bringing the character to life, RIP. He returned to play him again for big finish in the dalek protocol, which is a sequel to death to the Daleks, but with the fourth doctor & Leela. It pretty much is a retread of that story, but still enjoyable.

  • @kerravon2527
    @kerravon2527 8 дней назад +1

    Great - nice summary. I'd heard somewhere that the script for Day of the Daleks originally wasn't a Dalek story, but they were shoehorned in by someone in the BBC. On the downside, you've made me feel very old as I experienced all of these initially through Target novelisations rather than dvd (though not quite as old as someone who saw them originally!).

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  8 дней назад +2

      @kerravon2527 You're right there. From what I've seen from documentaries, the daleks weren't in the script at all.
      According to Terrace Dicks, Barry Letts wanted to boost the shows ratings even further by having the daleks be in one of the stories that season. So Terrance Dicks chose louis Marks script, & volia we got Day of the daleks. That inclusion of the Daleks brought more viewers that season than the previous, so it absolutely paid off. BTW I'm sorry if I make you feel old. 😄

    • @kerravon2527
      @kerravon2527 8 дней назад +1

      @@thewhoview Very kind!

  • @simonclarke4574
    @simonclarke4574 11 дней назад +8

    Death to the Daleks was the start of the horror style Doctor Who that captured me as a very young boy. The Exxilons were terrifying.. especially their chanting .. the music ..the pyramid maze with skeletons in it. Even the maze floor cliff hanger ..that many hate - I loved ! A top story!

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  11 дней назад +3

      @simonclarke4574 Yeah, I can see the hammer horror inspiration. I've always enjoyed it as well, It's a great adventure story. 😀

    • @mickeythompson9537
      @mickeythompson9537 10 дней назад +1

      Well observed.
      And, already, "Day of the Daleks" had that gothic element - ghosts and a haunted house!

  • @Thunderpuddle
    @Thunderpuddle 10 дней назад +2

    I love Death and Day, great stories and the first two I had on VHS. I enjoy Day with the updated effects.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  10 дней назад +2

      @Thunderpuddle that's really cool to hear. The special edition of day of the daleks is fantastic.

  • @jkmac625
    @jkmac625 8 дней назад +1

    I'd say "Death to the Daleks" is my favourite, it was probably the first Jon Pertwee Dalek story I watched. It was the 90 minute compilation edit released by BBC Video. Looking at the release date my parents must have bought it for me to watch over the school summer holidays that year (1987). I think "Day of the Daleks" was also released as a 90 minute compilation by BBC Video the previous year but I probably didn't get them in release order back then. I didn't get to watch "Planet of the Daleks" until it was shown on BBC1 in November 1993. I think I've only seen the special edition of "Day" once (maybe twice) on DVD, but the new Dalek voices were a definite improvement over the original, and the new scenes were shot on 16mm film to keep in the style of the original so they seemed to blend in seamlessly. I started a re-watch on BBC iPlayer about 6 months ago but I started on the first Sarah Jane story so I've seen "Death" recently but not the other two.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  8 дней назад +1

      @jkmac625 that's really cool. They did a lot of those early releases on VHS as feature legnth versions.

  • @tomhyde9938
    @tomhyde9938 10 дней назад +2

    Death and Day are great, Planet is such a drag.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  10 дней назад +2

      @tomhyde9938 planet of the daleks didn't need to be six episodes long, but it is a fun jungle run around & I agree with you Day & Death are fantastic.

  • @hopebgood
    @hopebgood 12 дней назад +3

    I love all these stories mate but I think I'd have to say that Day of the Daleks is my fave. It's properly about the consequences of time travel and it has UNIT in it.

  • @thethinkingcatakaneonormie3527
    @thethinkingcatakaneonormie3527 9 дней назад +2

    Best Dalek story is destiny of the Daleks but a close second is Planet of the Daleks

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  9 дней назад

      @thethinkingcatakaneonormie3527 Destiny of the daleks is an interesting choice. I've personally always found it to be the weakest dalek story of classic who.

  • @markg6749
    @markg6749 9 дней назад +1

    Day and Planet are great!

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  9 дней назад +1

      @markg6749 both are a lot of fun.

  • @SimonLeicester
    @SimonLeicester 12 дней назад +7

    Pertwee was such a great Doctor. He was my Doctor

  • @brucebush5744
    @brucebush5744 11 дней назад +2

    Tricky choice. Now, I think that the politics and time travel paradox of Day make it the most accomplished story. But as a kid watching these, the adventure of Planet was a real favourite - and, of course, I had no idea that it was derivative of earlier stories. Pertwee very much “my doctor” and I’ll stick with my childhood preference for Planet.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  11 дней назад +2

      @brucebush5744 Day I think is the superior script. The ideas feel so far ahead of what the show was doing.
      Planet of the daleks is a lot of fun, so I understand. 😁

  • @matthewjay5483
    @matthewjay5483 12 дней назад +2

    Not only is Genesis no 1 70's Dalek story, but Destiny comes last. So good choice to cover just the Pertwee ones.
    Day is my favourite, even the original version. I know someone who's favourite story of all time is Planet and of course there's Nick Briggs who hails Death as his favourite ever story.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  12 дней назад +1

      @matthewjay5483 Yeah, pretty much in agreement with you there with Genesis & destiny always first & last. Planet is fun, death is underrated, but day is fantastic. I'm glad you enjoyed the vid. 😁

  • @robertbrown3413
    @robertbrown3413 11 дней назад +2

    The Daleks were attacked by a silver hoover pipe.

  • @stephenclaridge1896
    @stephenclaridge1896 12 дней назад +3

    Love Planet of the Daleks, It's the one I remember more of, when I think of the Pertwee Dalek stories. Only seen the standard Edition of "Day of" (My standard editon of series 9, comes out next month) When I will watch it again, after a long time. Another great video, look forward to the Tom Baker era Dalek video

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  12 дней назад +3

      @stephenclaridge1896 the new version of day of the daleks is definitely worth your time. I don't know if I'd talk about Tom's dalek stories anytime soon. I don't I have anything new to say that hasn't already been said about them.

  • @damienkakoschke3099
    @damienkakoschke3099 9 дней назад +1

    There were 4 Jon Pertwee Dalek stories (also Frontier in Space). Anyway.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  9 дней назад +2

      @damienkakoschke3099 Yeah, I mentioned this in the video, that it is technically a dalek story, but the daleks aren't revealed until episode 6 of frontier & even then, they're only in it for 10-15 minutes & aren't the main focus of the story.

  • @intergalactic92
    @intergalactic92 11 дней назад +2

    My understanding of Day of the Daleks is that the Daleks are actually superfluous to the entire story. It may as well be an Ogron invasion that the rebels are trying to prevent. It’s like they had a good idea and someone said, 'you know what would make it better? Daleks' and they were forced to bend over backwards to shoehorn the daleks in somehow. Which is a shame.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  11 дней назад

      @intergalactic92 that's very much how it comes across in the original version. The daleks do kind of feel secondary, but in the special edition, they've made it so that the daleks are a bigger threat that looms over the whole story. New cgi shots of dalek insignias on buildings & the end battle with more Daleks ect. The new changes very much transform the Daleks to being the stars.

  • @taliesinllanfair4338
    @taliesinllanfair4338 12 дней назад +1

    Day was definitely my favourite although Death was not far behind. I liked Aubrey Woods' as The Controller. A very different role to him in Willy Wonka lols.
    I remember when I watched Death that I was interested in the city as much as anything else. When you see it being destroyed it's as impactful as images of Notre Dame Cathedral on fire a few years ago.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  12 дней назад +1

      @taliesinllanfair4338 Yeah, anytime I see the controller in day of the Daleks, the first thing I hear in my head is "the candyman can." In death to the daleks, the destroyed city looks pretty good & then the doctor says now the universe is down to 699 wonders. So dam good 👌

  • @jaidanielparker
    @jaidanielparker 12 дней назад +1

    Random gripe with Day of the Daleks - This is their first TV outing in colour and the designers make the Daleks grey with black trimmings. Oh well, I guess it was the 70's and at the time having every shade of brown you could wish for was considered high fashion. Having said that the grey worked perfectly with the bleak, militaristic tone of Genesis.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  12 дней назад +1

      @jaidanielparker I love the grey Daleks, but yeah, it's kind of odd that they didn't take advantage of the daleks now being in colour.

  • @AstraRandom
    @AstraRandom 11 дней назад +1

    Day wasn't my favourite, it's not bad but I just didn't completely vibe with it, Death is probably my favourite even though it's not perfect, and Planet was fine it's just Terry Nation reusing a bunch of ideas from his previous stories which are all fine it's enjoyable enough, but being 6 parts it drags on more than previous longer Dalek epics.
    I'm not even bothering placing Frontier in Space, which starts of with two much of shuffling Jo and 3 from prison cell to cell, picks up massively when the Master appears, and then the ending sadly let's it all down and the fact that Planet that carries directly on doesn't really address any of it saddens me

  • @normanby100
    @normanby100 11 дней назад +1

    Letts and Dicks wanted to concentrate on their own concepts like the Master and the Daleks were very much forced upon them. They come across as generic baddies and lack any disturbing aspects relating to the mutation inside. Terry Nation 's way with a Dr Who script hadn't moved on much with the times and hadn't kept pace.
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    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  11 дней назад +2

      @normanby100 Well, you're not exactly wrong there, but the Daleks are always taken seriously. Letts was also the one who suggested to Terry Nation to give us a genesis for the daleks. Resulting in Genesis of the daleks being one of the greatest Who stories of all time.

    • @normanby100
      @normanby100 7 дней назад

      @ I don't doubt Letts took the Daleks seriously, trouble is the stories weren't that interesting.

  • @mark-s
    @mark-s 12 дней назад +2

    Planet of the Daleks was my favourite story had a lot of Adventure Jo on her own on a hostile planet with them having to escape the planet before the daleks capturing them.The spiridons were a nice add to the story with their purple cloaks. The 3rd doctor era was my favourite with solid episodes it didn't have many poor stories/seasons like future doctors had. 4th doctors stories are easily looked on by me genesis was excellent but destiny was awful

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  12 дней назад +1

      @mark-s Yeah, planet of the daleks is very fun. The third doctor's era is definitely the most consistent era of the show. Terrance dicks & Barry Letts literally gives us no duds. All Pertwee's stories are enjoyable.

  • @inquisitor229
    @inquisitor229 12 дней назад +4

    i loved the Pertwee era but found the electronic sound effects through his era to be rather irritating most of the time.
    Completely agree about day of the Daleks, and was very impressed with the efforts made to improve on the original.

  • @benflay6038
    @benflay6038 8 дней назад +1

    Death my first vhs in 87 and Day of are brilliant special edition is good not keen on new series dalek voices improvement tho had the target books the storys characters and settings and Daleks cunning threat, by genesis its just Davros stories with Daleks

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  8 дней назад +1

      @benflay6038 that's awesome 👌 totally agree with you. From Genesis onwards, the daleks are very dependent on Davros.

    • @benflay6038
      @benflay6038 7 дней назад

      @thewhoview they turn up last episode genesis which fine as its there origin story but that's it until remeberance renegades supreme dalek is back

  • @timothybarnett1006
    @timothybarnett1006 11 дней назад +1

    I appreciate Nicholas Briggs's voice work on the Special Edition but (slightly) annoyed that there isn't an original audio track available on the Blu Ray Special Edition version. The visual improvements really enhance the story and the flatness of the original Dalek voice work capture their boredom with years of the occupation and they'd really be happier shouting 'exterminate' trundling down corridors and shooting enemies rather than the drudgery of bureaucracy.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  11 дней назад +1

      @timothybarnett1006 that would have been an interesting option to give to fans. Personally, I prefer the new voices, so much more menacing, but everyone is different. 😉

  • @petefischer3820
    @petefischer3820 11 дней назад +1

    Agreed.....special edition Day Of The Daleks is the best. Thank-you for the video.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  11 дней назад +1

      @petefischer3820 Thank you for watching & commenting. The special edition is probably my favourite classic story with new updated effects. It's such an awesome way to experience that story. 😊

  • @thomasjohnson8391
    @thomasjohnson8391 12 дней назад +1

    The special edition is better and planet of the daleks I think is the best

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  12 дней назад

      @thomasjohnson8391 the special edition is so great. Expanding the scale of everything, & planet of the Daleks is very fun. 😁

  • @akshaytrayner1960
    @akshaytrayner1960 12 дней назад

    Pertwee fought the dalek more times even if it was three

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  12 дней назад +1

      @akshaytrayner1960 Yeah, I was talking more about screen appearances. Technically speaking, you could say 4, including the frontier in space.

  • @The_Prydonian
    @The_Prydonian 7 дней назад

    Hey, can you please not use my Dalek renders in your thumbnail please? especially erasing my watermark and not giving any credit to begin with.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  7 дней назад

      @The_Prydonian yeah, no worries. I won't use them next time.

  • @robburdlow4301
    @robburdlow4301 12 дней назад

    Day of the Daleks is my favourite dalek story and yes, the special edition is way better than the original.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  12 дней назад +1

      @robburdlow4301 You have good taste, my friend. 😉👍

  • @michaelwhiles5282
    @michaelwhiles5282 12 дней назад

    Day is one of the very best, Planet is good but....Death (at least some of it) is pretty poor.

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  12 дней назад +1

      @michaelwhiles5282 I love hearing everyone's different opinions 😁 I have always really enjoyed all these dalek stories, especially Death to the Daleks, I find it such a fun adventure. But I do understand the criticisms people have with that story.

  • @FlatCapWhovian1865
    @FlatCapWhovian1865 9 дней назад

    The Pertwee Dalek stories are my least favourite Dalek stories in classic who :(

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  9 дней назад +1

      @FlatCapWhovian1865 Hey, that's fine. we're all different. 😉

    • @FlatCapWhovian1865
      @FlatCapWhovian1865 9 дней назад

      @@thewhoview Agreed.
      Not sure what it is about the other two (if I did have to pick a favourite it would be Death to the Daleks) but the one I've just never got is Planet of the Daleks.
      Watching the documentaries on the DVD's growing up it was hailed as "The Daleks greatest hits!" and I've just never got the love for it?
      Virtually a repeat of the first Dalek story

    • @thewhoview
      @thewhoview  9 дней назад +2

      @FlatCapWhovian1865 Yeah, I understand it does repeat almost every story beat of the daleks first story & uses other things like master plan as well. But death to the Daleks is a good pick. 😊