TYSON FURY: Whether you objectively criticise or inadvertently praise him, you just can't win.
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- Опубликовано: 7 фев 2025
- Whether he's actually retired or not (and if you think he has, then I've got some used bog-paper you might want to buy), Tyson Fury remains the most divisive character in boxing. There's no doubt he's talked an avalanche of bullshit over the last few years, but let's not let that cloud judgment when it comes to ranking him in the heavyweight top ten. If he fights on, he remains a very serious threat.
More retirements than title defences
Wow thats literally true😆
The man made THREE title defences - Wilder, Whyte (post Potevkin KO(, and a way past it Derek Chisora. Then fart arsed around moving the goal posts and avoiding Usyk for the next couple of years.
Come on people.
I just realised if you count unifications as a defence Usyk has more defences than Fury.
Good grief...
Even if you count his defenses of the lineage, it's pathetic: Seferi, Pianeta, Schwarz, Ngannou.
@@MaccaveliPLthose guys would be keep busy non title fight, that's if you buy into the linear champ nonsense
@@simonbird8093 he had to fight Whyte and then Usyk pulled out of negotiations.
Then Usyk had a mandatory against Dubois. At least he made undisputed, unlike a certain Anthony Joshua. 😬
@@MaccaveliPL he needed warm up fights, he only had two before stepping in with Wilder.... who Joshua avoided like the plague.
Fury potentially loses to any BIG puncher. Expect him never to fight Zhang or Dubois.
I agree that Fury is likely the second best current heavyweight, but I can't rank him #2 because in the last 2 years he's only beat an ancient Chisora and a debutant Ngannou then lost convincingly twice.
Despite just saying he's second best I still think he loses to more of the top 10 than Dubois or Parker.
Man, I just commented the same. Well said
Fury's Naseem Hamed like style defence fools people into believing he's some kind of defensive master ; he's the ultimate conman both in and out of the ring. If his defence was that good he'd not have been dropped 8 times in his career. He's got a good heart for it hence never stopped but none of his other attributes are top tier. He can't punch , very overrated defence , a flicky weak jab and his gastank , while not a weakness isn't a strength either given how often he clinches (not against Usyk who was more than capable of repelling) to get a breather.
When was the last time Fury actually beat a legitimate opponent? Dillian White? How long ago was this fight? He can't just sit in the second spot for years without winning fights. IMO
Fury had a carefully constructed career , only 2 credible opponents and one of those dismantled him x2
spoken like a proper clueless bandit
Saint don I thought you wher in hiding with little John , jeez, you been protecting the queen for years
@@fastbandit1250 as if.. dont judge people on your own weak mindset ya bandit
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Fury still number 2 based on his last performance. I do not believe you will see Fury that good again (assuming he has not retired)
Fury v Chisora 4 soon Joe 🎉😅
totally agree wiv your analysis personally!
I respectfully disagree Joe. He lost to Usyk twice in a row, he fought puddings like Chisora, he basically lost to a debutant from UFC and was dropped by him.
I can't have him at no.2. Dubois would ragdoll him around the ring and ko him in round 6. Let alone the other contenders.
Fury hasn't fought these other contenders. So how can we rank him about an unbeaten one like Kabiele?
I've been ultra-critical of Fury, and with good reason; but I dispute that's he lost to Ngannou and would lose to Dubois, regardless of whether a strong argument can be made for both.
Fury was close to fighting Kabayal back in 2018 before they announced Pienetta … Kabayal was not long off the Chisora win
Furys a good fighter and is fun to watch. I just ignore him in between fights. Its quite easy to do. I dont know why more people dont do it. Just watch the fights. Dont take his antics so personally
Fair point.
I got Fury around number 5 right now, below Usyk, Dubois, AJ and Parker. Dubois arguably beat Usyk, then beat Miller, Hrgovic and AJ. That's a better succession of 3 - 4 wins than Fury ever had in his entire career. Parker beat Wilder and Zhang so he's on a good run right now. AJ beat every shared opponent with Fury in a superior fashion. AJ KO'd Wladimir, Wallin, Ngannou, Johnson and a prime Whyte. Meanwhile Fury only KOd a past prime Whyte. All the others took Fury the distance. The question is, can Fury catch up with AJ or is it too late? I mean when comparing their actual boxing records, surely there's no way to put Fury ahead of AJ as the old era makes way for the new.
Excellent summary. The common opponents between AJ and Fury demonstrate clearly who the superior guy is.
I've got no problem with arguing Dubois's at two and Parker's at three, but Daniel did not "arguably beat Usyk". He flat-out lost - quit, actually - while Fury and Joshua twice went the distance. Again, this is all subjectivity, but fun to debate.
@@joestunnerboxing That's why it's"arguable". The shot that dropped Usyk has questions surrounding its legality. When seen from different angles there's arguments for it being legal or illegal. A different ref could have justifiably called it a knock down and then we don't know if Usyk beats the count, he spent the first few seconds crawling away in pain. For comparison, on the very same night as Dubois vs Usyk, Jared Anderson fought Rudenko and he was hitting him to the body, often in the exact area Dubois hit Usyk. In that fight the ref, Gary Ritter, called the vast majority of those shots legal and he even counted a knockdown. If Ritter had reffed the Dubois vs Usyk fight, the outcome might have been very different.
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Yet the fact of the matter is that Dubois lost. There's nothing subjective about it. He lost.
Dubois did not “arguably” beat Usyk. You must not understand boxing, or boxers to believe such nonsense.
Had it been a knockdown, Usyk would have got up. Period. He took advantage of time because it was available to him.
I love a good boxing debate unfortunately there’s no rebuttal, agree with everything you said
His career has been one of a talented Gypo
The GYPO in him actually shaped his career.
Untruthful, blagging, underhanded and insincere.
If only he could’ve NOT been a gypo in his approach to literally every deal that came his way. Could have been great
Its worth mentioning that, only for Joshuas WILLINGNESS to take on all danger and challenge.
We wouldnt HAVE Usyk right now. Think about it
If Fury had the belts AJ did in 2021, no WAY would he have faced Usyk
Thus not letting him into the game
Was Usyk even Joshuas mando? I cant remember?
Its actually all Furys doing 😆
If Fury hadnt have had the trilogy Wilder fight fought Joshua instead.
He MAY have been undisputed in 2021
And no WAY would he have taken Usyk on.
It would probably have been Fury V Joyce maybe
Interesting alternate universes .
Someone should do an ALTERNATE path analysis Joe . Interesting.
I think you make a good argument for Fury being 2nd, saying that I can understand people rating him lower.
I guess you could say Dubois, Parker, Bakole and Kabayel could beat him, but if you look at their records it's tough to substantiate them definitely beating him. I think in short rating fighters isn't an exact science and rating Fury anywhere from around 2nd to around the 6th is probably pretty close to where he sits. The same can be said for most of the top 6 or 7 guys, except Usyk who until proven otherwise is #1.
Reality is that he's blessed by refs and ringside doctors not to have more losses on his record. McDermott 1 on pts, Cunningham by DQ, Wilder 1 by KO, Wallin by TKO and potentially Ngannou on pts, or at least a draw..... The ref who gave him the W over McDermott had been KO'd by McD's dad when younger so could've held a grudge, how they didn't disqualify his win over Cunningham (only came from holding him in place illegaly) I dont get, anyone else gets dropped like he did vs Wilder 1 gets called off, likewise anyone else with his cuts vs Wallin gets it waved off and Ngannou arguably got another KD.
Thats all objective observations...he's definitely skilled and knows how to box, and would do well against most HWs, but lord what a lucky career he's had!
I would say those are very debatable, subjective arguments, though I'd probably agree with several, especially the first McDermott fight.
Agree Fury is 2. It took the brilliance of Usyk to beat Fury with alll of fury’s advantages
How have your forgotten about Dubois? They both have the same number of world title defences btw...
No. He was clearly mentioned in the video.
cant you count ya mong?
2nd seems perfectly reasonable
No 3
As i said in a video yesterday, I rate him much lower in my ranking of ATG British-only Heavyweights than 90% of people will but, based on CV and who he fought i couldn't assess him higher.
Of active today I wouldn't go as high as #2 but I see your rationale.
Well i understand the criticism of fury. But he has contributed alot to the heavyweight scene. I feel the same with wilder. Theres a lot of people in this forum who a radicalised against him and wilder.
You speak the truth
This is exactly why I want Fury to keep fighting. Can’t stand the guy…but I still think he beats everyone other than Usyk
Based on what, he struggled with a MMA fighter.
Fury in my opinion is still up there second or third but I'm not so sure he wants to carry on fighting unless he gets outrageous money
Joe I’m sure you realise most people are stupid NOT all but a fair majority .. so expect the unexpected from them on a keyboard from the darkness of their dungeons …
USYK outworked fury both times, fury a top fighter but Usky is better SIMPLE …
You literally sound like Hatman at the start of this video, he complains about this ALL of the time lmfao
I suppose that's reasonable company to be in.
Truth is Fury is a very talented boxer , he beat Klitschko fair and square , what followed , and what's continued to transpire since that win , bas been outrageous. Gaslighting, lying , filthy disrespectful trash talking , outrageous excuses, racism, drug cheating , dodging fights . Just repeat my last sentence out loud . Truth Is Truth , A Lie Is A Lie. Fury got exposed , and now Karma has knocked on his door. Bring on the next era , and may we all enjoy it
Think it was todays Daily Express
It was saying 10 things Fury could do after boxing
The usual stuff came up
Trainer,
Co Promoter with Frank
Analyst
Commentator
Reality Show Star
I kid you not
No 10
Was DOCTOR
🤣🤣🤣
I thought I was going to have a coronary
Dr Tyson Fury
OMG
Apparently he said in a 2018 Interview, he always wanted to be a Doctor
I honestly nearly p!ssed myself
I doubt this Oaf could even play the Childrens Game “Operation”
(Showing my age here)
I mean how bloody ridiculous
What about the 7-8 Years of Study
Dear O Dear
I do miss the crap British Newspapers
Fury as a DOCTOR?! Of what? Gas-lighting and telling porkie pies???
@@boxingmonkey8621 I actually remember that interview 😂 Dr Fury, sounds like a marvel character lol
I'm no Fury fan,he just hasn't fought enough top level fighters buton the other hand he has only lost to Usyk which as much as I hate to say that validates his no 2 ranking.
The fact that Du Bois is a current world champion that puts him up in top spot with Usyk which makes Fury no 3.
I can live with people saying Dubois is No.2, but I don't think the belt matters. With or without it, Usyk remains the true champion, but Daniel's run of form could easily put him second.
@joestunnerboxing AT this point in time yes.
It pays to be critical of Fury.
It doesn't
@@FURY_IS_STILL_A_FRAUD it does. Hating Fury is what most channels are built on.
@Harry-c4q9u it doesn't, if you think these guys are making a good living out of this RUclips lark then you're a bigger fool than first thought.
@FURY_IS_STILL_A_FRAUD they make money off views and you get more views digging out Fury.
Praise Fury no views.... hate Fury.... thousands of views.
Hatman is the perfect example.
@Harry-c4q9u they make money? no shít Sherlock hardly makes them though millionaires does it? Well in that case you provide us with the viewing figures for each individual heavyweight and we can make a judgement on whether that's true or not.
I'm a Fury fan , we all have bias , but I honestly had the second fight going to Fury by one round as do some pros. I guess I just don't like Usyk'st pittar patter punches at the end of rounds giving him decisions. He won the first fight I accept that , but personally I can only score what I see as effective punches and punches that land. A lot of commentators on the fights were giving Usyk points for shots that missed or hit gloves? What I don't see in any ones videos are loads of Fury fan boys. It feels like Fury has been disliked by the British public for sometime now!
If in football 1st place versus 2 place on a Final and 1st place wins, that doesn’t drop 2nd down to 7 or 8 like these fools are saying
But there are two active champions. Both would beat Fury. So...
Very true...
He only lost to usyk to be fair to him, it's not just fury it's genuinely a drag with today's heavyweights. I just can't stand fury fans that try to slate Joshua's resume, who else could Joshua have fought in his career?
If Fury comes back, it will only be for the money. Or he may not come back if he listens to his wife.
"Nevertheless the only man to beat him is Usyk" Yeah because Furys not fought anyone for christs sake ; he even got floored by a man making his pro debut , on that alone he shouldnt be 2nd.
Fury was a Cherry picking Mug" Till Usyk 🏆One of the Greatest of all time🍺
All fighters "cherry pick". At least he's made undisputed, something Joshua never did despite holding 3 major titles for 3 or 4 years.
He chose to have a voluntary against Miller which turned out to be Ruiz instead of pushing for the Wilder fight.
Now that is cherry picking me ol China 😂
@Harry-c4q9u surprise, surprise, Fury fanboys bring up AJ to defend their lord and master😅
@mikeypc3592 aww, protecting the cherry picking fraud Big Meech. How cute.
I couldn't care less who AJ fights😅. You're clearly rattled by it though.
@Harry-c4q9uwhy aren't you using your normal account? Why you hiding behind another?
Hiya Joe hope you're ok my friend, what a terrible hater you are Joe with your unbiased, objective views on boxers and boxing 🤦🏻♂️ Honestly you can't win mate but I think your channel is excellent 👌🏻🥊👏🏻
Thank you very much, Gerard. 🥊🥊
@joestunnerboxing Always welcome Joe, and to answer the vid question, I don't know where I'd put Fury as he hasn't fought enough top/quality contenders for me, I can rate his skills, heart, obviously good wins but it's not enough 🥊
Fury ducked more boxer than he fought......he did more ducking and weaving outside the ring than inside IMHO....
You canny win joe 😂
You forgot about his loss to Ngannou.
I thought Fury beat Ngannou by a slim margin. Apart from the knock-down, Francis didn't win many rounds.
Joe the reason he shouldnt be at no2 is nothing to do with him losing his last 2 to the number 1 ; its the following 6 facts (not reasons).
1 / Against a 40 year old Klitschko he threw a meagre 371 punches almost all of them jabs at a rate of 1 per 6 seconds.
2 / His other career highlight was beating a bloke whose best win was and remains Bermayne Stiverne.
3 / He sustained a cut that required 47 stitches against a journeyman that in almost any other fight would have resulted in him being stopped.
4 / He was dropped by a man making his pro debut before winning a contentious decision.
5 / He has been floored 8 times in his career
6 / Of the widely regarded top 10 in the world (Usyk , Dubois , AJ , Bakole , Kabayel , Parker , Zhang , Hrgovic , Wardley , Itauma) he has fought precisely 1 , resulting in 2 defeats from 2 fights
These are all FACTS , they are not disputable and off the back of these facts anyone arguing he's the clear 2nd best HW on the planet is very much mistaken.
As far as who's 2nd I'd have said AJ before he lost to Dubois but now its obviously Dubois not least because of who he's been fighting and beating but I must concede until Turki came a long it was a piss poor era for the sport because none of the big guys have been fighting each other.
This is anything but a "piss poor era for the sport" - quite the contrary - and although I'm with you on Fury's resume being thin and him having ducked many a match-up (God knows I've made enough videos on the subject), it can't be over-looked that he ended the moribund Klitschko era, and beat a huge puncher who was at the time undefeated, both in their back-yards. Those are his only eye-brow raising wins, though Whyte is a reasonable KO, and I wouldn't stick Wallin in the "journeyman" category. This is all subjective, but I'd still pick him to beat most of those your mentioned. I could be wrong, but that's the beauty of this type of debate.
i dont know why you tubers get all hit up about fury fans/joshua fans/wilder fans..after all ,the tubers just talk to provoke reactions and when they get one, the tubers moan.. i aint just talking about you joe..
Fury is no2. Saying that i think Bakole beats them all.
WHy? Bakole's beaten Anderson and thats it. Lost to Hunter and was lucky to beat the Polish guy lately , looks a big hype job to me
@winnerwinnerchickendinner-y4w doesn't matter. Everyone is ducking him for a reason.
I think the jury's still out on Bakole to a point, due to what's been said in this thread, but he's still a big lump who could pose a ton of problems for many heavyweights. It wouldn't surprise me if he took a few more scalps.
Ngannou beat fury, but was robbed
Yep
why we still talking about Fury. Yeah hes a knob i dont support him anymore lets move on ... forget Fury
For the sake of fanboys,lets be objective n only focus on stats n inring stuff..coz everything else is subjective.His biggest achievement = Wlad..one victory..which others have done so its not a Flabs exclusive.Trilogy with idiot deontay..now this was a great watch but if this is supposed to add to career greatness then u have to deem idiot deontay as a great..which is impossible.the 'great' part of the trilogy was Flabs getting up in the first fight.
2 x champ sm others are too.3 successful defenses..others have done that..a very bad showing against a debut boxer in nganouu..which is embarrassing n lastly 4 retirements.so now weigh this objectively against past fighters n it dsnt look so special.as for 2nd best of his era..he might be..but i cant say unless his era is over n we have the final tallies.n for his era to be over we need idiot deontay n AJ n usyk to be retired too.at best he's 2nd best right now..forget the era n all time stuff..