Doom Eternal Lore - Why Samuel Hayden is The Seraphim // Secrets Revealed
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Doom Eternal Lore - Why Samuel Hayden is The Seraphim // Secrets Revealed
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Some things NOT included in the video that further this theory....(there is a flurry of comments so if you contributed these ideas....THANK YOU, I appreciate you and think you are hot)
"Welcome Seraphim" - the Maykr machine voices calls you the Seraphim as you go to stop the Maykr from summoning the Icon of Sin. Could this mean that the machine senses Samuel currently attached to your rig OR could it be Samuel gave you some of his Seraphim goodness with the Divinity Machine and now YOU are also the Seraphim...
In terms of the same Voice Actor being used for both characters. It was pointed out that in the credits EACH individual character NOT named after the actor but is instead labeled " Samuel Hayden/Hooded Figure" indicating to me...this is the same person.
As for Samuels name - SAMUEL HAYDEN - S.HAYDEN.....which sounds like SATAN....I.....am not as convinced this means anything, I mean that is INSANELY on the nose but it could be the Doom writers laughing RIGHT IN OUR FACES...
Beyond that, there are dozens of other specific lines of dialogue that tell me within a very small shadow of a doubt that Samuel is the Seraphim....my question I leave you with is...why? WHY did he do all of this? You know my theory...tell me yours.....
ALSO! if you are wondering what happened to Samuel between DOOM 2016 and DOOM Eternal - I got you covered. ruclips.net/video/qQ5q8EEAf1k/видео.html
VGS - Video Game Sophistry your video goes in line with my comment on your other Hayden video.
What about the fact that when you plug Vega into the Maykr computers it tries to say “the father is” - Hayden is definitely related to the Maykrs somehow.
@@mkozachek Yeah man! It's in the video :)
VGS - Video Game Sophistry hah! That’s what I get for commenting *while* watching.
In doom 2016 there was a dialogue between hayden and the woman in destroyed agent tower right after acquiring yellow card where hayden says "i owned him even before you found him"
"He was mine before you even found him". Recontextualizing from corporate power talk to something much grander.
Could be referencing the fact that Hayden actually found doomguys crypt
@@TheInfamousIceman Yeah, and also the fact that the Seraphim created the Slayer (cause before that he was just the Doomguy/Doom Marine)
Ngl I got creeped out when Vega said “Am I the father now Dr Hayden?” and it made it creepier when Samuel Hayden didn’t address it
Right? I felt bad for Vega honestly
He wanted the doom guy to leave quickly before he found out about his master plan, which is going to unfold in the next game, with the power void of the fall of heaven everything is open to be taken over by hell, I think Samuel Hayden is Satan and he is the new dark one from hell, remember in doom 2016 where it says that hell has had I think 4 dark lord before, I think Hayden is the new one.
Dr Hayden: VEGA!... Shut the fuck up!
Honestly I didn't know about the Father lore at the time and my dumbass was like "Is there some baby I don't know about? Did Vega and Sam have some crazy robobuttbaby or something?"
@@skydivingmanatee It's a crazy time to be in... I could see it happening.
Honestly, it puts the scene where Hayden finds the Doom Slayer in a new light. He's almost caressing the coffin, like a parent finding a lost child. Which would make sense, he might've genuinely worried that his greatest creation was lost forever. Great theory, can't wait to see how any future games or DLC fit in
I guess that would explain why he developed Argent Energy. You spent the first half of that game dismantling what he had spent a human lifetime building up, and he was literally the only guy who knew how it worked.
He witnessed what happened with the Makyrs and decided to pursue it anyway, only witness history "repeat" itself. This continuity gets a little bit too crazy because it really looks like Samuel just wants to watch godlike forces smash into each other for fun.
@@brettxsmith I don't know how Dr. Hayden fits into the Maykr stuff, but Samuel Hayden stresses that Earth will be different than Argend D'Nur and Urdak when it comes to Argent Energy.
Clearly, he wasn't developing argent energy on Earth the same way it's done by the Sentinels/Maykrs. He's planning something.
But then why did he wait to let you out until he had a crisis?
@@Dennis-nc3vw because Sam Hayden is relying on the Doom Slayer to clean up his mess
Well, that explains why Samuel knows everything about Hell, Sentinel and Makyrs
At first he used elex stone to gain knowledge. Then everything was retconed.
@@user-od7hh8qg9d Or maybe it was an excuse for all the knowledge he needed for his projects
@@user-od7hh8qg9d It could be both. He might not have known all the details of Hell or depending on what he has been up to between being Samur and becoming Samuel might have been out of the loop for a while. The stone might have caught him up on general stuff about hell, what the DOOM Slayer has been up to, ect, while he still had all the other knowledge but it was not the time to use it.
Samuel discover the kadingr sanctum in hell or during the argent fracture on mars in a expedition. He eventually stumble upon the ancient tablets of hell and argent d'nur thus leading him to argent energy and the story of the doomslayer, argenta, night sentinels and demons.
I think people forget the story and lore of 2016...
Владислав The Makyrs don’t even know everything about hell. They didn’t know they were making Argent energy until, at least in the grand scheme of things, somewhat recently
Don’t forget than when the Slayer first goes to Urdak, Samuel Hayden talks about it being beautiful as if he’s seen it many times before.
Exactly and also no being of non urdak design can go there, unless you go through the void, so how could Hayden possibly know? He is the seraphim and Vega is the Father
Not a bad theory and fits well with the game’s final words.
“...and you will be their savior. Your strength will be their shield and your will their sword. You remain... unbroken... for your fight... is eternal.”
~King Novik
Didn’t even consider this - great find!
@@VideoGameSophistry *End Credits*
Samuel Hayden/Hooded Figure
Darin Depaul
If they were two different characters, they wouldn't be side by side like this. People voice different characters within the same project all the time, but they do not appear in the credits like this. This implies Samuel Hayden and the hooded Figure are the same person.
If they were separate people it would be listed like this:
*Samuel Hayden*
Darin DePaul
*Hooded Figure*
Darin DePaul
Like how the Icon of Sin and the Marauder. Same voice actor, DIFFERENT LISTING.
@@beezusHrist very true
@@beezusHrist dude. That's a nice catch. Smart
King Novik???? That was hayden
"The Makyr people are vast, all knowing, almost God-like entity's."
*their leader gets killed by a double barrel shotgun and some punches to the chest*
Do not mock my super shotgun.
"Puny god."
*Punches from Doom slayer, not regular punches
The guy’s a blood punchin’ southpaw and has a legend about his dubbed gun Lucifer’s Bane. That’s awesome as fuck!
Kyle Spence Doom slayer punched a 200 ft demon god in the head once in the Doom lore and killed it, so I think it’s safe to say that he can hurt the Kahn makyr with punches
Samuel Hayden: “That is a weapon... NOT a teleporter"
Doom Guy :"Bite me..."
No no you mean "Byte me"
“Fuck you, dad.”
At the end of nekravol pt 2 in the soul room Samuel Hayden says this wouldn’t of happened if urdak was under “... different leadership.” I’m just speculating but the way he said it makes it sound personal. In my opinion it’s just more evidence that he is the seraphim.
Bear in mind that on Urdak, VEGA is intimately familiar with the Makyr systems, and says 'I see now. Dr. Hayden, am I The Father?' as he turns the escape portal on. If this Seraphim 'stole' this mysterious 'Father' and hid him, what if his process for making himself a robot with an everlasting consciousness did the same to this being to hide them from the Makyrs? And the Seraphim, now going by 'Samuel Hayden', was returning this Father to his people? Hayden's entire character is shrouded in so much mystery. It's intriguing.
Or they just liked the sound of the voice actor and used him for something else. It's clear they have plans to continue this story at a later date, so...
EDIT: I literally just finished the video. HAH! Wow.
The Doom 2016 codex says that he is a human, but what if the seraphim promised the original Samuel a solution for his stage 4 cerebral cancer just to highjack the body and take his identity.
@@gustavonomegrande That is true, but we never see for ourselves that he IS a human. After all, we're talking magical, extra-dimensional beings capable of swallowing whole realities. Making himself 'appear' human probably wasn't much of a leap. It would similarly explain Hayden's borderline infinite knowledge. He is almost omniscient, if you pay much attention to his dialogue in both games. Would also explain how he was able to make 'absolute zero' coolant units for VEGA.
It'll be interesting to see where ID decide to take it, though. It's pretty damn (hahah) obvious they'll make another DOOM game, and they seem to be opening up the option of a QuakexWolfensteinxDOOM crossover multiverse.
@@AdeptusCaeiusIII My personal theory is that Seraphim did not actually steal The Father's consciousness from Urdak. Instead, I suggest that The Father may have possessed the Seraphim to set things in order for Urdak's destruction after the reign of the Makyrs grew to a point of pure hubris. In the codex entries, they simply put that the Seraphim stole the Father's consciousness, but The Father was a universe-level entity capable of creating life and bestowing knowledge and power to entire races. I doubt that a creation of his own making could take his consciousness unwillingly. Also, I think when you consider the level of knowledge, influence, and power that The Father held, it's safe to say it falls more in line with Samuel Hayden's description than VEGAs. Hayden's quip that perhaps Urdak wouldn't have to be destroyed if they were "Under different leadership" was a suggestion that the current Khan Maykr had done something to spite the father. This is backed up by the fact that their resurrection process bestowed upon them by The Father stopped working and the Makyrs began to degrade. This is what ultimately led them to the search for Argent energy and set the course of Doom in motion. I think the codex entries suggest that the degradation began because of The Father's consciousness leaving Urdak, but I think The Father willingly ended the process and left of his own will in Seraphim's body.
Nick DeSousa you make very fair points. Even then why did Vega ask if he’s the father? And yes Samuel Hayden is extremely knowledgeable but Vega is uniquely powerful especially when considering Earth’s technological progression in eternal. It’s obvious they will have to answer these questions I just hope it’s not another 4 years lmao.
The Fact that theres still questions to be answered lead me believe were gonna get another entry in the series
Either that or we're gonna get answers in the upcoming DLC
Brandon Unzueta I hope we get a third game
Considering the devs when they did the initial reveal of the game said they wanted to move past doom as a series and make it a UNIVERSE this was surprise on my end
I’m pretty sure they’re going to release 2 story dlc’s
@@Inf4mousKidGames Yeah, I assume there wont be another doom game for at least 4 years tbh, they'll probably start a new series within the universe
Samur/The seraphim was also cast out of heaven by the Kahn Makyr the same way Satan was exiled by God in the Bible.... interesting connections
Maybe Heaven/Khan Maykr realised Samur was catching onto their plan to Ally with hell and cast him out claiming that he was the one allying with hell. It could be he became Satan/S. Hayden, but his alliance with hell was propaganda or an illusion. iD software may not have deliberately made such a story but there is definitely a lot of potential for awesome lore.
If so then it shows a flawed knowledge of Satan's character. Satan isn't a name but a title and means adversary or opponent. It refers to the fact he was the divine prosecuting attorney of humanity. It was his job to temp us and show how we failed his Lord. He was the obstacle we had to overcome to prove ourselves. I know he gets paired up with the Lucifer character but this seems to be done out of convenience rather than actual evidence they are the same entity.
However Hayden's name does put him in line with another being, from Gnostic tradition. The Demiurge Samuel. Creator of physical reality but lacking in the wisdom to percieve there was more to reality than the physical. Some see him as a malevolent being, and some as good intentioned but misguided. Either way he was a potent figure that only the heavenly court could supersede. Which was kinda ironic as he was wholly ignorant of their existence.
Jacob Freeman it could be argued that Hayden tempted humanity with argent energy. In doom 2016 he’s the one in charge of the operation but didn’t seem to be interested in starting an invasion, it was a human (Olivia) who started it.
@@24gigawatz I wouldn't call it temptation. Humanity needed the energy source to make the advances necessary. He was right about that. The world was too starved for power to make any gains quickly enough to save themselves, much less combat the demons. It was a risk/reward decision. He knew the risk was high, he had evidence right in front of him, but he also knew things could not keep going as they were. Humanity would either collapse under its own weight or accidently contact the demons on their own. That he was wrong about his ability to lead humanity in the effort to master argent before the demons could paw their way into the matter is not actually the question. The question is whether he was right that humanity needed the boost something like argent could give them. He was. He was wrong about himself, not humanity and its needs.
Yeah But The Seraphim serves "The Father" and if Samuel Hayden is the Seraphim "He does what he does for the Good of Mankind". It's possible The Father was fed up with the Makyrs for whatever reason
Vega - The father
Doom - The son
Samuel - The Holy Spirit
Oohhhhhh! That's a good one.
Pretty much
Your dad - gay
That’s actually surprisingly fitting considering the initial background of the iconography. If you consider this perhaps then in biblical terms, the whole series may have been set in motion by “The Father” to have Samuel spirit him away once he noticed the ambitions of the Mykers had begun to falter and take up that of his opposition. In his flight Samuel had to make a deft choice and lock away parts of the Father’s thinking due to storage constraints. Meanwhile the Doom Guy we all know was but a humble son of Earth. A descendent world possibly of Sentinel history, but Humanity doesn’t even know of this origin possibly we could chalk up Adam and Eve as Sentinel survivors who could only impart so much knowledge. The story of the Tree of Knowledge of right and wrong is then a cautionary tail over the hubris of man, particularly of Sentinel leaders who had taken up a particular conception of the world. Or maybe Humanity started off from a completely different angle. However the Seraphim (Samuel) takes a liking to humanity and helps it along its way, as a hopeful counter force to that of Hell and the Mykers. Meanwhile the situation from Doom 1 begins, the first contact of the Slayer and Hell begins. Instead of a simple; get behind me Satan, he meets them blow for blow in his Righteous contempt. Much like Jesus in the temple, when he found out about them having a market in it, he ripped the Demons asunder.
From there the situation in Doom 2 happens, and Doom Guy, in his bid to end hell’s invasion of his earth, fights the Icon of sin for the first time, knocking it dormant. He proceeds to terrorize hell for an unknown period of perhaps thousands of years, maybe due to how Dimensional travel affected him. He then by perhaps Samuel’s machinations winds up on Sentinel prime, and the events of the flashbacks in Doom Eternal take place. He then joins the crusade on Hell, all while doing this without Myker assistance. He then is taken in directly by Samuel, who whisk him to that power up system in Myker space. He is strengthened beyond even his normal limits, and is sent to battle in Hell. Here he fights for ages, even after the Sentinels are betrayed, he stands before the horde unbeaten. At this point, due to perhaps some method of Argent fuckery Samuel has made him capable of standing alone, though perhaps only due to the sheer power of his conviction is he entrusted with this by Samuel and the “Father”.
He then is left in hell for time i’m memorial, wreaking havoc in his wake, crippling the Damned like never before. At some point here, Samuel moves to hide in the earth realm outside of Khan Myker control making him and the Father disappear for good.
The events which lead to the slayer being sealed away take place, and much to his chagrin Samuel must now find other ways to fight demons. He creates the UAC to study Argent energy, perhaps as it may be one of the few things that is effective at creating something to halt Demons. He does what he does, because he must. To stop them he must get energy to fight them. Doom Guy just sees hubris as he does not know what Samuel’s plans are, or perhaps thinks there are other ways. As per events, Doom 2016 takes place, as it reminds him of his own Humanity’s hubris, perhaps that was why he was particularly difficult with Hayden here.
Flash forward to Doom Eternal, the cycle closes.
Edit: Reposting in main
Arthur Morgan Vega literally said “i am the father “
Another point is that Hayden on two separate occasions refers to the human race as "your people" instead of our people. Once in Nekravol and again in the Final Sin.
You noticed that too?
Metablade's Archive could he be referring to the remaining argenta?
@@awesomedude255 Doom Slayer is originally human. He is the original Doomguy.
@@hiimzdeny__2878 But how though? The codex implies that the time the Slayer spent with the Sentinels happened thousands of years ago, it doesn't make sense if he is human. I know in game it states that he is human, but the Argenta also seem to very human. Perhaps his biology is just very similar to that of a human?
DaBestEmperor I have seen a video where a guy talks about his story, and after the events of the first Doom trilogy (idk which one was the last) he said that in the first Doom he was fighting demons on Mars, then on Earth and he then stayed in Hell to make sure that no demon leaves the Hell and to kill them all, like he says in games. And what he said was that Doomguy got teleported to Argent D’nur to Sentinel Prime. I don’t know if that’s true but it seems a bit logical to me.
I think when the Seraphim stole "The Father" he split the father in two so it would be hidden from The Maykrs. The Wisdom and Intelligence of the Father is VEGA. The Spirit, Speed and Power of "The Father" was blessed into another.. The Doom Slayer.
@The Xenomorphian Samuel ordered doomguy to destroy vega, it was only option to get to hell.
consciousness and essence
When the Khan Makyr tries to tempt you into not killing the hell priest, she says she will restore that which the demons took. Was she offering to resurrect our pet rabbit?
yes
yep
when you go to Nekravol at one place you can find a rabbit locked behind bars ... that must be one hell of a rabbit when it has to be locked up hidden in the deepest depths of Hell xD
@@Asghaad I think I read somewhere that all the bunnies the slayer sees are hallucinations, and he's just remembering his pet bunny daisy
@@orig5923 and i think he needs better motivation for his rage than pet bunny ... in my opinion that "bunny" hallucination would make more sense as a substitute for a woman ...
Whenever you enter the chamber where the Khan Makyr is performing the ritual on the Icon of Sin, the moment the Doomslayer enters it says something along the lines of “Welcome Seraphim” It’s not an actual quote but the tech in the building recognizes the slayer as the Seraphim. Mostly likely referring to Samuel Hayden as his consciousness is carried inside of the slayer’s armor. Solid theory honestly.
I don't think so. that actually put me off of this theory and gave me a new one.
Samuel is actually the Father, and Vega is the remains of the Seraphim. Vega was with you at the time, Samuel was merely communicating with you.
The Father is a being of "Logic and Balance." Samuel is very much a ends justify the means type of guy. IRL it is said it was God who punished his creations for their hubris and destroyed paradise, not "the fallen angel"
Rico W I interpret that scene a bit differently. In the lore collectibles, the sentinels express confusion at how the Divinity machine could grant the Doom Slayer such powers when it merely cleaned them of biological imperfections. The Seraphim could have given the Slayer a portion of his power, causing the doors in Urdak to recognize him as the progenitor of his Makyr-enhanced strength.
@@MFenix206 it wouldn't be VEGA that it picks up when you walk through the door cause you leave him at the first portal terminal, I honestly believe that the DOOMslayer himself is the Seraphim and that the machine he was placed into imbued him with the Father. That would explain why he's the only one who can not only wield the Crucible, but can permanently kill Titans and other, supposed, immortal beings
@@AbysmalRapture No, Vega is with you until you start aligning the teleporter rings to escape, well after the first encounter with the Kahn Maykr.
it is quite possible the Seraphim did imbue the Slayer with some portion of his essence.
Crucible blades can kill titans, though the Slayer is the only person ever said to kill one with his bare hands.
presumably, anybody can *wield* a crucible, but only one who is "worthy" can *forge* one. Samuel Hayden uses the corrupted crucible himself in 2016.
@@MFenix206 This is incorrect. Hayden is within your suit's systems, which is how he is communicating with you, whereas Vega is in an external drive of sorts, and can't at the moment. Also, why would Vega believe he is the Father then? That makes no sense.
Well he was called "The Seraphim" and if there is a "Dark One" maybe there also is a God of some sort.
Perhaps Hayden is an actual angel or even God himself, but his powers are limited so he has to play the long game.
First he put his faith into the Maykr, but noticing that their hurbis will not move him further toward his goal
of defeating the forces of hell he withdrew from them and put his stocks in someone who could.
Based on the codex entries I read, I assumed Vega was the God figure. They referred to the father as the central force of Urdak.
I think Samuel is God disguised as a makyr then Hayden so that he can bend the future into the way it is supposed to be
@@Aegoram Samur Makyr stole 'The Father' (this Universe's God) for some unknown reason and hid him. So it would make since that when VEGA 'remembers' that that was Hayden returning this 'Father' to his people, it was likely as a demonstration that the Seraphim were weak. The way I can think that this all fits together is that Hayden is Samur, convinced 'The Father' that Khan Makyr was dirty, and they turned the tides on the war on Hell with DOOMguy to set the game in motion.
I haven't heard it myself, but there was a credit for a voice actor for 'The Dark One', so it's pretty clear there might be a third game coming. Bare minimum, a DLC or campaign expansion. Maybe we'll get more answers in the next chapter of this story.
@@AdeptusCaeiusIII Actually, two DLCs will come because of season pass existing.
@@GhostVolume Yes, but the devs mentioned the Season Pass mostly covers Master Levels and new gamemodes. I'm intrigued to see what DOES ship with it, though. It wouldn't be the first time a Season Pass was changed mid-effect.
Have you noticed , even though the seraphim has tentacle like structures seen from below his robes like the Kahn Makyr , he has exactly 5 digits on his palm like humans do but the Makyr and the rest of the Makyr race does not , I do not know if it was by mistake or purpose but just pointing it out here
That's the thing in video games qn animated things are all deliberate, so I'm sure it was on purpose
maybe he's a hybrid of some sort
@@errorninja1019 they don't show his face either , maybe he might be and the original father might have been a humanoid of sorts who knows
@@Faustin_Ducasse i know but if you play doom 2016 you'll find dr samuel hayden in a picture frame either he has access to unknown tech or that's his actually face just saying
And interestingly enough, his robot body has 3 digits--just like Maykrs.
Videos just got ten times cooler now there's an awesome narrator
Hayden derives from the Dutch word "Heiden"
Meaning "Heathen", one who does not follow an Abrahamic religion.
woah. nice
And his first name contradicts this 🤔. The name Samuel means "Name of God", and in the Bible Samuel was the last ruling judge in the Old Testament, and chose the King of Isreal. Idk what all that means, but it's strange how his first and last name contradict each other in meaning.
and Samael is the accuser, seducer, and destroyer. So he is the heathen destroyer of heaven.
@@itsbikezombie1728 But Samael is a fallen archangel also called the accuser, seducer, and destroyer. He's often listed as the tempter of Eve in Talmudic texts.
@@itsbikezombie1728 Maybe that's the whole idea. His actions are contradictory at every point, resisting both heaven and hell at the same time.
6:07 "HE SAID IT! HE SAID THE FUNNY LINE!"
It’s worth noting a large portion of Samuel Haydon’s brain is replaced with robotics, which would help enable the charade of being human.
(Maykrs have large exposed brains without their armor)
That's difficult to know at this point given Hayden's entire human backstory could just be a lie. We know now he's not human, like we were led to believe in 2016, but Samur Maykr of Urdak origins.
@TookALevelInBadass Well, weapons can be controlled. If he controls the demons, then he doesn't need a pact with them to extract argent energy from hell...He'll already be capable of pushing them aside.
That's my guess, at least.
@took
Man has always sought to control others. Most simple? Slavery.
Think back about how they captured large strong Africans etc and made them work in plantations.
They assume the demons are just another resource for them to use, whether as weapons or other uses man think himself as greater.
@TookALevelInBadass yup. Just 1 among many examples. Humans always think they are superior what ever the reason, which prompts them to take risk and hope for the best.
In the words of dankest dungeon. ' overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer'
@@cybertron1000s I'm pretty sure he truly was human after he was a Makyr
I think he was reincarnated as a human via the Transfiguration by using the Father
Last time I was this early, the Imperium wasn't created yet.
Mortarion, Primarch of the Death Guard for the emporarrrrrrr
Fuck that's good. You get all my gold.
@@VideoGameSophistry Lmao, gimme, finna give these to Aunt Isha.
Mortarion, Primarch of the Death Guard lmao
Last time I was this early, you were still a loyalist, Mortarion.
When he says "....one worthy adversary....DOOM....himself" I'm out here thinking that's a badass outright right there
I was convinced when you hear the voice in the flashback. Sounds deep like his, but without the robotic tone.
Also being named “Hooded Figure” kinda gives it away...
No, giving it away would be outright saying who it is. "Hooded figure" leaves room for doubt, which is why this discussion exists at all.
Kanden well it is the same voice actor. Just the hooded figure doesn’t have a robotic editing tone
@@SymphonyZach not just same actor, the voice is also done exactly the same way just without robotic distortion, i rcognized it the instant he spoke... that HAS to be intentional because professional voice actors can and will change theyr voice at will so you cannot even recognize its them when voicing separate characters in the same project.
If the two sound alike its done on purpose.
Another good question is: why is the slayer called “seraphim” when he enters the icon of sin ritual room?
Hayden is in the suit basically, the room is possibly addressing him
it's a pre-registered voice i guess...?
Because he went through that god-maker machine and gained seraphim like powers. So the systems recognize him as one.
Might be because she knows hayden can hear her
Could be that the Khan Maykr, who seems to be constantly aware of what's going on, present time and past, knew that Samuel AKA the Seraphim (if the leading theories are correct) was connected to the Slayer at the time and sees and hears what he does.
when he knew everything about heaven I was kinda of confused for a second, I had always assumed him at first human, I noticed the similar lines and his voice acting with the seraphim and also the vega thing. Its awesome how they made this all come together without being to obvious, I love this game
To add to this theory, at Urdak the Slayer *was* greeted as the Seraphim at the door. I suppose it sensed Samuel's/the Seraphim's presence being together with the Slayer.
I did also find it odd that when doomguy goes to interrupt the ritual in Urdak the door recognizes the seraphims credentials.
probably because hayden was travelling with him
I disregarded it at first since i was still pumped up with testosterone and killing demons but it is sorta damning.
I can get behind the theory that Samur Makyr is Samuel Hayden. But I see him more as a villain playing the long and dangerous game.
If the Makyr is considered "angels", what if the Khan Maykr isn't the "fallen angel"? Since Samur is "exiled" based on the text lore, what if Samur is actually the true "fallen Angel"?
Samur.... Samuel... Samael?
it's just a personal theory of mine.
Khan Maykr isn't the fallen angel, she's the leader of the Maykrs, a specially formed conciousness that is reborn with new knowledge every time the old one dies.
@Padera Asterisk I think you're right on the money with that one.
Ho Lee Shi yeah but Hayden is an actual word meaning heathen so instead of being a maykr because he betrayed his people he is a heathen
this would be a great twist, but if Hayden was the Dark Lord (I think is what he gets called in codex entries) why would he help the Slayer?
Maybe khan Maykr already become fallen angle by the time Samur left
Also Hayden doesn't refer Human as his people. That's probably mean he isn't a human at all. Also he lead a war with human army againt the force of Hell with the help of urgent based technology when he teleport back to earth even he know he fighting a losing war, he keep fighting until DOOM Ethernal begin. Why he act so strange? What's his true motive?
He is a robot in the end
DelorianYT he’s a human consciousness in a robot body
He actually was a doctor
his tech was also described to be alien by the UAC scientist trying to keep him alive.
@@cyberwolfy37 The scientists were of the ARC, not UAC.
@@doublemuscle UAC ARC it doesn't matter because my point is that the human had no ideas how to work his technology because it's alien to them.
great work! I hadn't thought about Samur stealing the father as a way to cause the makyrs to need hell energy.
I've been thinking the same thing. I figured his motives were to restore Heaven, Angered by Urdak's union with Hell and creating the Doom Slayer to not only enable the Slayer to continue his mission of eternally punishing Hell, but also to restore Urdak back to a place of Holy Union.
That Trav Guy Basically my same thoughts, according to the terminology he uses as well. He uses biblical words like damnation, paradise, he also calls the union of Makyrs and Demons “Unholy”.To sum it up exactly, he seeks to restore Heaven, a holy order and union . The makyrs and Their khan have Been corrupted and fell from paradise like the real life biblical fallen angels, who sided with Lucifer. Just a bit to add for my take. Though I’m still left questioning about the voice that yells “NOOOO!” After you kill the khan makyr
This maybe a small detail but you see the panel that Vega was put into. There three slots ? Maybe there are 2 more part of the father. One the logos, ethos, and pathos and together them form the father. Plus it probably with the number 3 reference to the holy trinity cause of they are in heaven
There seems to a hole with this theory, albeit one that does potentially have a good explanation.
In DOOM 2016, Hayden seemed to want to preserve Argent Energy rather than get rid of it as Samur Makyr did, which would seemingly be completely against their respective character motivations. However, that being said, this can potentially be explained as Hayden/Samur wanting to retain Argent Energy to purify it and release the trapped souls (as all of his argent fuel tanks in DOOM 2016 are blue rather than Argent's red glow), pointing to maybe Hayden/Samur wanting to free the trapped souls within Argent Energy while masquerading as an energy company (which would explain why he still wants to have access to it, as being cut off would damn all of the souls to suffer forever).
Another interesting detail is that the Makyrs are shown to have demonic features after Khan Makyr is unmasked, yet hide behind their masks quite vigorously. It's possible that the "red", non-purified Argent Energy slowly corrupts the users to become demons while Hayden's/Samur's "blue", purified Argent Energy is safe to use, albeit has extra steps.
Pretty sure he wanted to preserve it to help humanity develop weapons and power up their gear for the hell invasion that would soon come. ruclips.net/video/qQ5q8EEAf1k/видео.html . Also the crucible doesnt use souls/ the dead i think
By the time the spider Mastermind was defeated the demons were already invading earth, Hayden wanted the argent to power up earth defenses but Doom Guy wanted ALL argent to be destroyed (he has a story with it)
So the best course of action was to take the demonic crucible out of the Slayer hands and then teleport him into a sentinel world (?) so he can prepare himself with the Fortress of Doom.
The Seraphim didn’t say he wanted to get rid of Argent Energy - he didn’t agree at all with the way it was being used and extracted. Samuel Hayden is an ardent believer in Argent Energy but wants to use it for smarter purposes.
I always looked at it as he still needed to play the part of a human to get the resources needed to progress his goal. IE convincing UAC to fund his program so he can get to mars, find the Doomslayer, ect.
Even though Hayden is actively fighting the demons in Eternal, and is helping you destroy the source of Argent in Nekroval, he _still_ defends it to you, or at least its uses. It seems to me that the seraphim/Hayden is a very pragmatic sort of individual. He may not like how it was made, but he has an "if it's there, might as well use it for good" attitude. Of course, the events of Eternal and the fact that the Slayer breaks ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING forces him to pick a final side.
@THat guy Overthere I believe the crucible is charged by the energy left over from the corrupted wraiths, as it is what you use to "lay their souls to rest" in the first game. So it is not pure Argent, but rather demonically corrupted Wraith energy.
This is a reference to Sam Hyde. He can't keep getting away with it!
That's fucking hilarious.
ok I have some problem with this because it flies in the face of doom 2016
if Hayden is the seraphim, and Vega is created from the essence of the father, then why did Hayden told the slayer to sacrifice Vega in 2016?
also if he knew the ramification behind the argent energy and betray the maykr by making the doomslayer who he is, then why was he leading the argent facility on mars and was so vehemently against the doom slayer destroying ALL of the argent energy cell? this feel like a retcon.
Because Vega is the only one who can stop him. Doom Slayer made a back-up which was unforeseen. He got rid of Vega in Doom Eternal as well by having the Slayer leave it behind in Urdak. He is constantly trying to get rid of Vega which tells me he doesn't want it around.
And Samuel Hayden found a way of harvesting the "Soul energy" without the need to torture the souls. That's what the filters were. When Doom Slayer destroyed those filters, Hayden stole the demonic crucible from the Slayer at the end of the game and was able to harness argent energy perpetually from it without tapping into hell.
Samuel Hayden seemed to know about Doom Slayer and shed his Urdak shell and placed his brain in a machine so he could enter hell and retrieve the Doom Slayer whom I think he knows is indestructible as a back-up plan. Hayden is the one who begins all of this.
That is a good point, actually. Also,this theory is being held up by JUST the fact that the Seraphim and Samuel Hayden have the same voice actor, which could mean anything from they're the same person to it just being pure coincidence, and how he speaks of things makes it sound more like an arrogant human is commenting on the goings on of the other realms than a Makyr who was cast out. It's also possible that there's a version of Hayden who IS the Seraphim, and we just so happened to have found him instead of the old dick from Doom 2016, but what do I know? I'm probably wrong as well.
@@beezusHrist if he wanted to get rid of vega then why created him at all?
*End Credits*
Samuel Hayden/Hooded Figure
Darin Depaul
If they were two different characters, they wouldn't be side by side like this. People voice different characters within the same project all the time, but they do not appear in the credits like this. This implies Samuel Hayden and the hooded Figure are the same person.
If they were separate people it would be listed like this:
*Samuel Hayden*
Darin DePaul
*Hooded Figure*
Darin DePaul
Like how the Icon of Sin and the Marauder. Same voice actor, DIFFERENT LISTING.
@@cyberwolfy37 He didn't "create" Vega, he stole father from Urdak millenia ago. Vega IS father and realized that when he was plugged back into Urdak.
Samuel Hayden, on his own, "created" an AI that passed the turing test and that AI was the administer of that turing test. Hayden is the one who built the suit that he placed his brain in, by himself. Hayden seems to be privy knowledge mortals are not privileged to and I think having an all-knowing AI helps with that.
The humans monitoring him do not know how the technology works. Why is that? But Vega, at the end of the day, is a tool that can be used against Hayden's plans so he has to get rid of it eventually. He has done so TWICE now.
I was wondering why the Urdak computer welcomed the Slayer as "Seraphim" when he entered the room and broke up that Icon of Sin ceremony.
Also, doesn't Hayden make a comment at some point about how none of this would've happened "under different management"?
You are correct, ive spent a long time looking into the lore and youve done a fantastic job bringing it all together~ Great video!
you forgot something, When Doom Slayer entered Urdak the system facility called "welcome, Seraphim"
It totally could be referring to Sam, who was already in The Slayer's suit if I remember correctly
@@ElmoT800 very true
@@ElmoT800 soo it basically confirms it lowkey
actualy i am very curious if this confirms it , this is wirdest thing in the game and when vega say I Father
@@timo7641 I choose to believe it does lol a lot of things line up too well or can connect in a subtle way. Hopefully it can be explained in future DLC or something
Samuel also said in Nekravol mission: "I assure you, this could have been avoided with..... different leadership" notice that slight pause before saying "different leadership"
Superb video! Great theory and evidence to substantiate it. The bit with Vega asking if he was the father solidified it for me.
glad you put out this video, I had been thinking the same thing ever since playing the game. I also believe the most convincing evidence to this is the fact that VEGA states that he is "the father". So glad you made those connections and made it easy to follow.
Not just "the father" but "The Father." The caps here are distinguishing, as the subtitles notably capitalize that as well
@@Dr.CaveCurinas I didn't even notice that on first play! Good catch! Just goes to show the detail the subtitles added.
Someone else made the analogy,
The Father-Vega
The Son- The Slayer
The Spirit- Samuel Hayden
The rest of this is a blend response to the above and this video.
That’s actually surprisingly fitting considering the initial background of the iconography. If you consider this perhaps then in biblical terms, the whole series may have been set in motion by “The Father” to have Samuel spirit him away once he noticed the ambitions of the Mykers had begun to falter and take up that of his opposition. In his flight Samuel had to make a deft choice and lock away parts of the Father’s thinking due to storage constraints. Meanwhile the Doom Guy we all know was but a humble son of Earth. A descendent world possibly of Sentinel history, but Humanity doesn’t even know of this origin possibly we could chalk up Adam and Eve as Sentinel survivors who could only impart so much knowledge. The story of the Tree of Knowledge of right and wrong is then a cautionary tail over the hubris of man, particularly of Sentinel leaders who had taken up a particular conception of the world. Or maybe Humanity started off from a completely different angle. However the Seraphim (Samuel) takes a liking to humanity and helps it along its way, as a hopeful counter force to that of Hell and the Mykers. Meanwhile the situation from Doom 1 begins, the first contact of the Slayer and Hell begins. Instead of a simple; get behind me Satan, he meets them blow for blow in his Righteous contempt. Much like Jesus in the temple, when he found out about them having a market in it, he ripped the Demons asunder.
From there the situation in Doom 2 happens, and Doom Guy, in his bid to end hell’s invasion of his earth, fights the Icon of sin for the first time, knocking it dormant. He proceeds to terrorize hell for an unknown period of perhaps thousands of years, maybe due to how Dimensional travel affected him. He then by perhaps Samuel’s machinations winds up on Sentinel prime, and the events of the flashbacks in Doom Eternal take place. He then joins the crusade on Hell, all while doing this without Myker assistance. He then is taken in directly by Samuel, who whisk him to that power up system in Myker space. He is strengthened beyond even his normal limits, and is sent to battle in Hell. Here he fights for ages, even after the Sentinels are betrayed, he stands before the horde unbeaten. At this point, due to perhaps some method of Argent fuckery Samuel has made him capable of standing alone, though perhaps only due to the sheer power of his conviction is he entrusted with this by Samuel and the “Father”.
He then is left in hell for time i’m memorial, wreaking havoc in his wake, crippling the Damned like never before. At some point here, Samuel moves to hide in the earth realm outside of Khan Myker control making him and the Father disappear for good.
The events which lead to the slayer being sealed away take place, and much to his chagrin Samuel must now find other ways to fight demons. He creates the UAC to study Argent energy, perhaps as it may be one of the few things that is effective at creating something to halt Demons. He does what he does, because he must. To stop them he must get energy to fight them. Doom Guy just sees hubris as he does not know what Samuel’s plans are, or perhaps thinks there are other ways. As per events, Doom 2016 takes place, as it reminds him of his own Humanity’s hubris, perhaps that was why he was particularly difficult with Hayden here.
Flash forward to Doom Eternal, the cycle closes.
Why... just why.
Blitzwolfer Because why not? Plus the game is littered with lore and iconography, so it would make sense to use other works which contribute to its inspiration to build a broader understanding of it.
When Doomguy smahes the last filter Hayden says: 'You have no idea what you've just done.' Maybe he didn't mean the energy crisis on earth. But if this really all was a mater plan of some sort being torn into two pieces surely wasn't part of it
Doom slayer is Jesus... Might point out that "uel" in "samuel" is a common in angels. The only time the trinity are "one" belief makes sense since doom slayer caries both vega and samuel.
@@GinamosWithCherryOnTop not uel, el. It denotes the being is of the house of el. Which is the divine family the Christian god rules. He is head of the house of el. The angels are his "sons". Thus they recieve the el naming scheme. To refer to this god by El is just as proper as YHWH. Although obviously one of these names won out over the other.
But Samuel was an actual dude, there are even pictures of his human self, his life was even documented in doom 2016. If the seraphim was Samuel Hayden, who was Samuel Hayden?
either some unlucky SOB that got manipulated by the Seraphim untill he took his place inside that robotic body or the Maykr is capable of fooling people around him to see him as human. Or the human body could have been an android version of his current body, you know just made to look human on the surface, then when he needed to transfer to more battle suitable body made up the story about cancer and moved on to his current much more formidable form.
there are plenty of ways to explain that one.
It’s nice to see I’m not the only one with this theory. Nice video very well explained.
Im just gonna say that everything hoy said makes sense and i love your vids.Keep them coming
Interestingly, Samuel and Hayden both have religious etymology. Samuel translates to either "the name of God" (if *shem* is used as the first syllable) or "God heard" (if Sh'ma is used instead).
Hayden comes from the German nickname "Heiden" which means "Heathen"
So Samuel Hayden could be read as a message to the effect of "God of the heathens" or "God heard the heathens".
Also, the prophet Samuel is notable for anointing the first kings of Israel, both Saul, and Saul's eventual usurper David, who Samuel openly predicted would take Saul's place, which happened after Saul used a witch to perform a ritual that aided him in battle. This could be allegorical to the Makyr debasing her people by making a pact with Hell to aid her people, ensuring their downfall.
Also, when you walk into the chamber where the Khan Makyr is reviving the Icon, you have Hayden in your suit, and the PA system welcomes the Seraphim.
IF you wanna get even more technical Samael is the original name for what would Christians combine with Hades and rename as Lucifer.
I posted this theory at 4 different occasions, there are so many people seem to disagree with it despite the Eternal literally poking it
Thanks for the video!! :)
This games and storyline is just so awesome you guys...
Could Hayden also be the wretch who shall not be named who gave the Slayer his armor
The Count the Wretch is a demon
Oh yeah I forgot about that good point
Pretty sure the betrayer is the wretch since his name is forbidden
The wretch must be a different person or entity.
@@Bryanvouriot no the wretch and the betrayer are named differently, and are always referred as two separate entities.
I've always loved those mysterious all-knowing characters featured in video games. Characters like: the G-Man from Half-Life, the Illusive Man from Mass Effect, or the Strange Man from Red Dead Redemption. A dark shadowy figure working from behind the scenes to bring about your ultimate demise, to me these characters have always represented the devil.
You got it!
Gaunter O'Dimm!
Nice work brother, I liked a lot.
I had been wondering how Hayden was able to know everything he knows about the Maykrs, but chalked it up to everything he learned from his Archeological discoveries on Mars and beyond. But this really shines a new light on everything. We could definitely see more fan theories becoming canon in the next Doom installment. I'm really looking forward to what the id dev team has in store for us in the years to come.
Congratulations, you’re a prophet
Wait I thought Samur stole the Father from Urdak AFTER Khan Makyr made a deal with Hell
Correct. People are getting this mixed up. Samur seemed to be dissatisfied with the leadership and did not like where it was headed so he made Doom guy a good, took father, and left.
But then where did the Father go? Remember, it was his disappearance that prompted the entire crisis that necessitated the creation of Argent Energy, because the Maykrs could no longer reincarnate after transfiguration. If he was still there, how did the Seraphim take him? I think that the Seraphim stole him long before that, _probably_ because he (like the Biblical Lucifer) wanted to be god, or the next Khan. After seeing what resulted from it (the deal with Hell and the creation of Argent), he created the Doom Slayer in order to rectify his mistake, hopefully without catching the blame. But he was found out and exiled, so he decided to throw his lot in with humanity against Hell, and even the Maykrs if necessary.
I love this , I never thought playing Doom 2016 that there was so much lore and having finished Eternal I'm trying to figure everything out.
Oh wow, I never thought of that!
I didn’t even notice the similarity between their dialogue and voices
Thank you for this video!
God, saw this video on my recommended, I finished the game, but i will say i absolutely hate when people put spoilers in the title of their video
Nope. The hooded figure is D´Sparil from Heretic, look at the simbols in his red tunic, it has the Serpent Riders Rune.
Your voice is super soothing, and this video was great.
An aspect that you overlooked. The Father was able to peer into the possibilities of alternate timelines. In them, there was only one constant, the destroyer, the one that would bring ruin to Urdak and it was said that this person would come from within the Sentinel people. This was the original reason for the Khan Maykr going to the Sentinels and 'up lifting them'. So that she could build the divinity machine and try to find out who among these people would become the destroyer. Samur must have asked The Father more specific questions and found out that the reason for the destroyer was because of Urdak becoming involved with Hell. So Samur planned everything to make sure the prophecy came true.
Wait I thought samuel was a human who developed brain cancer and so as a treatment a robotic body was built and they managed to place samuel within the body.
what if that's a made up back story by samuel himself
@@sosxxswc or the real samuel died and the seraphim pretended to be him to blend in with society
@@Fertile_Program or took control of Samuel Hayden body. that could explain the brain cancer and him being put into a robotic body.
Just as some of Hayden's brain is in the robotic body, Khan also has her brain sorta intact, we can see that before she dies.
Samuel said Hayden seemed to be unaware of allience between hell and the makr's and shared the goal of researching Argent energy with the humans.
He was simply on a quest for knowledge and I guess the Makr's were hiding it.
What if Samuel Hayden was actually a nihilist who believe the cause of suffering is existence it self, and he is now on a crusade to end all live. So that there will be no more suffering
it's like Arcanum all over again.
That's not what he is. Samuel is a complex character and some might not understand his motives. In fact it's the other way around. He helped the Maykrs to overcome the burden of their race by the gift of his technology, as he himself as a human believes and strive for survival as seen Hayden as the key figure in solving Earth's energy crisis. He only believes that he does it just because there's no other choice (seeing the fact he established ARC in order to completely wipe out the demons after the events of Doom 2 makes it he did not wish to serve the dark but rather to only use it).
The Maykrs on the other hand were blinded by their own hubris. Suffered the same problem as the humans encountered; energy crisis. They sought to do the same with other races (helping them in exchange of something) however, they succumb in darkness and wished to serve in rather than to simply use it.
That's why when Doom Slayer visited Urdak, in Samuel's dialogue it is clearly implies he is mocking the Maykrs as they bring eternal damnation in their world by serving the dark. This is why Hayden wish to eliminate the dark forces, this is why he contracticts Pierce's plan in Doom 2016, because he did not want to bring eternal hell to it's people. But undeniably and without knowing, he somewhat did that's why he's trying to correct his mistakes thanks to the constant: the doom guy.
he goes full circle and becomes Satan aka the one who defies creation
Holy shit. You’re on to something. It fits with his behind the scenes manipulation. I do think he’ll be one of the antagonists in the next one. Minus the Dark lords and the nameless one. I think the nameless one is Satan himself.
But why is Samuel so interested in humanity,is he benevolent or does he have a hidden agenda.
I knew i heard those same words else where, but now i see where and is awesome.
This was a great video, and made so much sense. Do you think you’ll be talking about that giant Makyr body in the purple water during Urdak? Or did you chalk it up as decoration. It seems way too out of place to me for ID software to put it there for the sake of it.
Plus when we go to the tower in doom eternal Samuel did mention your people and it really is odd how of Samuel was human them how could he have known all about the makyrs and their technology that well?
Plus in doom 2016 isn't it odd that he was the only UAC member to survive hells invasion?
Honestly, it isn't weird he survived the invasion. The biggest hurdle in the invasion was the demonic corruption that squishy humans are susceptible to. Being a 3-meter tall robot fixes that issue, while allowing for some more survivability. Combine that with him being the head of Mars facility, and thus inhabiting one of the best guarded parts of the base, and it makes total sense he survived.
There was one other thing, when he's hooked up to the ship, Vega says that his systems are very similar in build to the Doom Fortress which was made with Myker tech. Although for an end game not sure what his plan would be. Either to break down the system and put himself up as leader for all since it was after he stole The Father when they joined hell and started the dominos falling or maybe he saw his society as corrupt and it needed to fall. Kind of hard to say by this point.
@Canadian Gamer I feel like it would be more likely for him to try to set himself up as the leader as you said, because that could work for either a demon or angel being. Even more so when you consider that he stole the father and was ready to blow him up in Doom 2016, so clearly he didn't mind if Vega was out of the picture. Having him see the system as corrupt would make sense, but by removing the father he really only ensured that the Makyrs would be driven to madness and deal with hell, so I expect there's a more sinister motive behind it. No matter what it'll be interesting to see how this all pans out.
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When both the Slayer (having Samuel's essence tethered to him) and Samuel enter ANY room when they are on Urdak a voice plainly says "Welcome Seraphim".
Turn down the games internal music (or off it) and you'll hear that PA greeting each time you enter a room.
So Samur & Samuel are one and the Same.
Also when you get to hayden in eternal, the guy says they couldn't fix him cause, the tech was " alien"
It's mentioned in the vid
Long story short, because it is the same voice actor.
Hahahaha
Well, the same voice actor, a nearly word-for-word repeated line, and Vega's question about if he is The Father (caps important)
@@Dr.CaveCurinas could be a reference to the betrayer being the father, since it was his son that became the icon of sin
But who knows that's just a theory
@@Barkugou420 *End Credits*
Samuel Hayden/Hooded Figure
Darin Depaul
If they were two different characters, they wouldn't be side by side like this. People voice different characters within the same project all the time, but they do not appear in the credits like this. This implies Samuel Hayden and the hooded Figure are the same person.
If they were separate people it would be listed like this:
*Samuel Hayden*
Darin DePaul
*Hooded Figure*
Darin DePaul
Like how the Icon of Sin and the Marauder. Same voice actor, DIFFERENT LISTING.
@@Barkugou420 Unlikely, the Betrayer was a sentinel while The Father is Maykr tech / beeing.
I think Hayden's key statement was, "This could've been avoided, under different... leadership.
Maybe all of this was his way of becoming the leader of the Maykr's, Earth or whatever is left to rule after the future events of DOOM: 3.
Your onto something here man, now that you have said it I cant unpicture it..
Dr. Hayden helped the race of Maykrs to reach that level of technological advancement. Also some people wouldn't notice that Khan Maykr and Hayden do both have one goal? To solve the energy crisis in their own planet by using and harnessing the energy of Hell? Maykrs wouldn't risk their and other race for energy without being so technological advance and reliant thanks to Hayden. So in the end, it was Hayden's doing that cause all of this, it was also him that can only set things in motion to correct it by using the Doom Slayer. If Hayden was truly a villain, I might say he is one of the best and complex one's in gaming history.
Just remember what Sam says when you first step into the Argent processors in Nekravol: "Your people are made to suffer - processed souls for the Maykrs' world. I assure you, this could have been avoided with... different leadership."
There are also these blue “spirit”-like humanoid bodies in Urdak, maybe when the Seraphim was exiled, he transferred his consciousness to a human body and he was reincarnated into Samuel Hayden
I'm glad I'm not the only one that had this theory and this video gave me more reasons to believe it
Best theory soo far :) gj.
I can debunk your theory. The seraphine can float. Samuel walks. Boom
Defau/t damn
um.. you realize it's 2 different bodies.. one robot(humanoid, aka can't float) other alien(octopus type thing, aka can float)
Beautiful voice
Literally the first thought I had when seeing the hooded figure in the flashback scene was: is that hayden?
Mainly because they sounded similar, and the arm looked similar too.
The one thing that could mess with this theory is that in doom 2016 lore samual was a human with terminal cancer that put himself in the robot to save himself or something along this way.
Perhaps a bit of a retcon or part of the seraphim story, where in order to hide from the kahn mayker he hid as a human, with his body slowly degrading or whatever.
I reckon we could learn more about this in the dlc campaign levels or even the next doom instalment
Honestly when he started talking about the places we visited I just thought he accessed some sentinel database in the fortress but when it came to Nekroval and urdak with information that in the lore the sentinels nor humanity knew it was kind of confusing, this makes a lot more sense.
I see people still saying that we saw in Doom 2016 that Dr. Hayden was a Human, he could've been a human some time ago and in his searches to solve the Earth crisis he found the conscience of Samur and he learned from him alot and build the android body, but when he thought he transferred himself into the android, he died and in the android remained only Samur which he took his name. There can go anyhow. They have too similar names to be just a coincidence. Samuel Hayden it's Samur aka Satan/Samael, a rogue Angel who wanted to be like God, this is why he stole Him.
Your jumping to conclusions, I doubt he is satan at all, and from what I understand satan was not a seraphim the literal right hand angel to the creator.
@Karl T So if that's the case then we are playing the bad guy the whole time. Which I highly doubt they are going that route and I doubt they are trying to copy christianity in Doom.
Karl T if Samuel is Satan it would be just effing crazy reveal
@@Ragingknight12 No. We are still playing the good guy doing the good things. All Doom guy did had to be done at that moment to save the Humanity.
@@TrueZutyro I know we are the good guy in the game but if what the person who replied to me saying Samuel Hayden is satan, and the doomguy is his right hand man, that would make us the bad guy without knowing it
I love how simple game about shooting demons has Such a cool lore and hidden secrets
Played the campaign and I was waiting for someone to post this theory!
Sounds about right and I think they will give us more on this story in the future
Amazing. Thank you for this. I can't play the game yet but the lore is worth it. Though can't wait to get my own copy and get slaying soon. 😊
That's a very interesting theory. I like it!
Also, while on Urdak, the computer refers to you as the Seraphim, but they probably were sensing Hayden’s consciousness.
damn you were right on the spot for the seraphim part
I knew something was up the moment you put Samuel into your ship...he just picks up like nothing happened between him and the slayer. He just continues to push the slayer forward to accomplish his goals essentially becoming your commander. He's even less personable than he was in doom 2016.
When the Slayer (with Hayden) interrupts the ceremony on Urdak a voice says "welcome, seraphim", obviously referring to Hayden.
Don't forget that part in Nekravol where Samuel says that the pact between the dark lord and khan maykyr was "an unholy union" that "can't stand no longer". That's quite a strong reaction for someone who seemingly is from earth and shouldn't care about this stuff.
What a nice guy always giving the slayer gifts
This is........ astonishing it makes sense with how he said it
At 5:30 you can see that the emblem engraved on VEGA is the same exact emblem that is engraved on the button (and every where else around that level) the slayer pushes to activate the portals. Father or not VEGA is obvious of Maykr origin.
All I can think of is just Samuel's thoughts of turning into a robot.
Like: "Ight... What can I do for this new form... AHAH! Of Course! DEM LEGS...!"
Thx for the compilation and explanation
Since im a pleb in 2016 lore