The Significance of Shigaraki’s Ruin | MHA EXPLAINED
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- In this video I address some of the criticisms I have been hearing over the last (well technically it was 9 months ago when I wrote this) couple years. Namely, the critics of some people who were dissatisfied with the treatment and "replacement" of Tomura Shigaraki in the final arc of the story. It is an easy criticism to have, but also a wrong one, of all the thing in this story to be annoyed with, Shigaraki and his entire character Arc should be the LEAST of anyones concerns. His story was beautiful, from start to finish.
If you liked the video subscribe, it is the best way to help the channel grow, then maybe my videos will be more predictive and less reflective. For the record, I called a lot of the story beats a year out...but it takes an eternity to pump out a video working 12 hours a day.
you are WAY too underrated as a youtuber without downplaying stars and stripes and i love it
Thank you for the kind words, I'm sure I'll get there eventually. I only just started here, but I figure if I just keep up the quality and success will be inevitable.
Absolutely incredible analysis of shigaraki. Please make more videos delving into other aspects of mha's world and its characters considering how youtube is plagued with videos filled with bad faith criticisms like the ones you mentioned in the beginning
Thank you for the kind words I appreciate it. And I’ve got two more on the way hoping to get the 2nd out in a couple weeks. And the 3rd before Halloween.
In an age of MHA analysis videos (and tbh this applies to a lot of "new gen" anime, i just think MHA got hit particularly hard) where so many people's "criticisms" seem to come off as disingenuous; this video was incredibly refreshing. MHA is a series that is deeply personal to me and I'm glad that there's someone out there is able to look at the series through such a critical and analytical lens without coming off as a "hater", for lack of a better term.
Thank you for the kind words. Honestly I’ve been seeing the same, and is part of what I started this chanel for, if I don’t love something I won’t talk about it. My last channel I just talked about the topical, things people liked and it didn’t resonate to the extent I wanted to keep going. But this series is one that has struck a cord with me, and seemed under-appreciated. Glad someone else out there shared the opinion. Thanks for taking the time here to watch hope you have a good night (or day depending on your side of the world).
@@tendoentiendo I'm glad to hear that you're making content that you enjoy now. I think it'll definitely attract an audience that engages with your content more earnestly instead of just regurgitating whatever they see on Twitter and TikTok. Can’t wait to see what else you make in the future!
That opening song fit him so well. Good choice
Tenko's ending make me cry....I'm still crying he is my fav character
Twice was my favorite character, but I definitely cried more than a grown man should while reading Shigaraki’s end.
@@tendoentiendo yeah....he deserve better
@@tendoentiendo I don't think Shigaraki's soul found peace, because he learned a few minutes before he died that his whole life was a lie...this is so painful he is my fav and I really love him
@@Izumi_sai I think Shigaraki did find peace, or at least was really close, and the finale chapter shows that as Shigaraki was basically smiling in satisfaction to Midoriya because he helped change society for the better and made it so that no one else would endure what he did, so at least Shigaraki died knowing that all he did wasn’t for nothing and that it did mean something.
@@Tsurugi-cm1vf yes Shigaraki became free because he got rid of all for one but he didn't find peace, even if he smiles, even a person who is in pain smiles, so in my opinion Shigaraki didn't find peace because the man he called sensei for years ruined his life, I know he already hated him but he didn't know that he was the one who ruined his life
great video. shigiraki is easily one of my favorite new gen heros
This is a really good video. I never agreed with the opinion that Shigaraki’s character was ruined and that he was sidelined by AFO. I too noticed that change that happened to AFO, and it was pointed out in the story a couple of times too, and I saw that even during the times that Shigaraki wasn’t in control, he wasn’t truly gone, and I saw that despite AFO’s manipulation, he couldn’t truly manipulate what was inside Shigaraki’s soul. Even when AFO was in control Shigaraki didn’t allow that to sop him as he held on to his core and regained control of his body later. But the way you worded some of the ideas of the narrative was incredible, and some of the stuff you pointed out is something I didn’t notice. Although our point of view on a few things differ.
Thank you for your kind words I appreciate your time, glad you enjoyed it.
Not only that, but AFO himself was getting affected by shigaraki
1st Place
Villain:Speed Demon
Quirk:LightSpeed
Honestly wasn’t sure who that was, but I looked em up. And from the 2 minutes of research I can conclude that OC would be better than half the supporting cast of class 1-A.
Great video, tho I would say the thing that blew my mind. Because I’d never thought about it was you saying Deku’s story is actually the Heroes Journey in reserve. 🤯
I don't get why people hate that shigaraki isn't the main villain when he actually his the co-protagonist and his importance is just as prominent if not more. Deku and him are both the vessels for their master's legacy. His story is a tragedy brought on by the man who wanted to possess everything, people say he is not his own character in the third act and he doesn't have a payoff in the end. And its just untrue, your point of shigaraki being "stained" by actual heroism was a pivital point with him, in his dream of destruction he actually became the heroes to those who were forgotten by society, what he did then passes to deku, killing AFO and opening up a brighter future
Well he isn’t the big bad, but he is deku’s villain. In the end the story is about AFO vs OFA
@@Thedemonlord4642 yes i agree, the whole arching plot is the story of how these two quirks (basically the first quirks) changed and shaped this hero world, when i think about it its so cool
@@Cyberlele02 id also say it created another parallel almost as good as deku and shigi’s with AFO and shigi with their pasts becoming similar
I’m sure “revolutionary villain” is the term you’re looking for.
one thing i realize with the glass being symbolism for quirks is that the liquid must fit the container and so the liquid is shaped by the container while the container looks like the liquid
Thank you for this great deep analysis about My Hero because I keep seeing videos being unfair and disingenuous towards the series.
Shiguraki's hero journey while Deku being the reverse is something I didn't even think about and it symbolically makes sense. Again, thank you for this incredible video!
Amazing analysis. One of the most interesting about a manga I've seen on RUclips I could even say. It's always refreshing when someone really goes deep into the messages of a story instead of just shooting "Peak" or "Mid" like in thousands videos on this platform
Toga and Dabi’s endings Still make me sad to this day. Twice was also my 2nd favorite League Member, right below Shigaraki
Same
The thing with shigi being the main villain was just because he was there more, AFO haunted the story throughout the entire story, he was the big bad of everyone
Great video!
I think MHA's ending is another example of fans letting their theories and/or head-cannons become expectation (AOT). Ignoring how Deku's perspective changed throughout the series from telling the story of how he became the greatest hero, to telling the story of how we become the greatest heroes (referring to society lending a hand to anyone in need and not giving in to the bystander effect or depending on All Might and pro heroes).
Him becoming a teacher represents this really well (and as low paid as they are for what they deal with is NOT the same as a 9-5 fast food cook) because a good teacher inspires their students to succeed in their own, nurtured talents (quirk training and taking ownership of their quirk @shoto); an effort that Uraraka also takes up with Quirk Counseling. All this makes sense given their respective traits or arcs like Deku's quirk analysis skill (from his handbook Bakugo threw into water to Deku's meeting with Dai) and Uraraka's "who's going to save the heroes" applied to the supposed villains, which she learned through her feud with Toga. Idk how people let their expectations of Deku becoming All Might and marrying Uraraka override how the ending fits in with these threads (the shipping thread is the only one I can understand and do think the last chapter fell flat on).
And what you said gives a lot of justice to MHA and further shows how these themes were played with: like Shoto's story (Endeavor and Dabi/Shoto being a similar parallel to AFO and Shigaraki) or Bakugo's story (the kid who rejects the helping hand and becomes a bully because of it). Loved it and found the reverse hero's journey really interesting too. Thanks!
@@jhw1235 The issue is that most people weather subconsciously or not think that their vision is the end all be all, and when the story deviates from that, instead of enjoying it for what it is and keeping an open mind, a good chunk of people got pissed off and started looking for flaws to hate on no matter how small and would blow it out of proportion all to support the belief that their vision was better. It’s the same treatment Bleach got, and I believe that just like Bleach, it will pass and more people will look at the series and the ending in a more positive light.
Same, MHA (and those other series) just became easy targets, but I’m starting to see some people come back around and am optimistic about the longevity of this fan base. This story, I think, will be timeless.
I also saw the ending as the ultimate meaning behind each of their quirks
OFA: is something where the wielders don't need to live to see their dreams but are willing to pass them on to the next generation and trust them to get it right
AFO: is a selfish being that no matter how much time passes, always wants it to be on his time. Which is why there's 9 users of OFA but only one user of AFO until Shigaraki begrudgingly started investing in Tenko after losing to All Might.
Also I always saw Shigaraki fate in a sense a piece of his own downfall for taking a deal with the devil(AFO). Even when AFO wasn't in his life he still followed down the road of a man who literally screwed over/threaten almost everyone he ever works with but expected different from him.
You hit the nail on the head here. I’m speed running my second video so I can talk about this in the 3rd video. Just trying not to fall off in quality JUST so I can be the first person to talk about it.
@@tendoentiendo yeah like I get people feeling sad about Shigaraki but it was a almost assured ending when you realize that opportunity was given by the shadiest business man that ever walked.
Tomura wouldn’t have become a villain if he didn’t play LoL
😂😂
Facts
35:17 I noticed Dabi was the ONLY League member you didn't include. Dude is a sociopath who wants revenge more than anything, no matter who has to die.
Nevertheless, the reveal Shiggy saw himself as a hero for the villains was great. He's still Tenko from childhood, who wants to be the All Might for the villains
lol, yeah he definitely didn’t fall into the same category as them. Though in truth himiko might have a higher body count than him and for a far less substantial reason. He was a man on death mission for sure lol.
But honestly he had an entirely different narrative than the rest of the league. His and shoto’s arc is more akin to Deku and shigaraki. Showing what can happen when they never get support for their inner desire the “you can be a hero” moment. It was a chaos and balance story in both cases. Though shoto is hyper literal, with him literally having balance as his character design and outlook. Dabi is a bit deeper than a sociopath is the point.
Anyways, thanks for stopping by and taking the time to comment
@@tendoentiendo Dabi killed over 30 innocent people, idk what implied Toga was ANYWHERE near his kill count.
Great video definitely subscribing, I still don’t like the twist and I probably never will but at least I can accept it with a good explanation.
Yeah your video does greatly explain BUT like many to me it’s ALWAYS gonna be a dissatisfying experience with the AFO possession after PLW arc. Which is why I had switched to Dabi to cling on for the Final war arc.
totally valid. I think I like it more artistically than as a consumer. I assume horikoshi did it on purpose and deliberately took shigaraki from us right then when he was his most complete. This to leave us with that hollow feeling many seemed to get from the series at that point. He allowed us to see Shigaraki's future being stolen from him...again. Though to us, it was for the first time. He was recreating the first loss of shigaraki, since he probably didn't initially intend to show us AFO transplanting Shigaraki's quirk in the first place, considering how rushed it was compared to all other elements of shigaraki's past. It really played off like he needed to close off that thread and still have time to close out the story. As though he had a set number of chapters to finish the story in, and suddenly found himself 12 chapters away. which regardless of the why is still bad writing.
This is a GREAT video. Thank you for taking the time to make this.
Everyone has their own reasons for liking/disliking the ending but you did a great job laying it out how you did. From what I’ve seen, a lot of people do not look into my hero past the surface level because it is a Shonen. And lots of this is layed out in front of the readers when they pay attention.
As the story progressed I believe it became harder to follow along with the themes casually is why it lost interest from some people. Which in part is why the ending is getting the reaction it has been.
It's a good video to be sure, and people certainly missed the themes- but it was always my thought that themes and symbolism can't replace strong characters and worldbuilding. While it is thematically coherent, and has some great character moments, the overall handling slipped up- or at least that's my feelings on it. Like Deku's clear self destructive attitude being fixed with a good soak and so on, and stars and stripes breaking the power system in half by being a low tier reality warper. But credit where credit is due, while he may not have told the story we wanted, the story Hori wanted to tell was pretty good by it's own merits.
Totally agree.. MHA is in kind of a unique position. It wore the symbolism on its sleeve and basically told the audience "hey, I am telling a very specific story", but a large portion of the fan base didn't get it, and instead got themselves wrapped up in the story they wanted rather than the one being told. It absolutely struggled in places, as you say, world building and having a well fleshed out cast, I think pacing and death baiting were bigger a bigger issue (though I think this is an issue of shonen Jump and their timelines forced on authors). But Deku's self destructive nature didn't change. It maintained through the war, but at his worst moments someone was there to intervene. But even then, he was still willing to give up his arms (just to hold onto shigaraki and destroy his hate) and his powers to destroy the Soul of AFO. Whether it was the vestiges intervening, Lemillion, his teacher/Jeanist or at the end Class 1-A again. The story maintained most character beats quite well.
I really don't think Star was as game breaking as she appears on the surface, just when compared to Deku (at the time of her introduction) or even more massively the rest of the world outside the top tiers, she seems broken. But she isn't remotely comparable even to the weakest All Might we have ever seen. I don't want to get into the math, but regular, not trying at all, punches from all might are in the gigatons of force ranges. He could be, and often is, casually dropping nukes with his hands and is causally multiple times faster than her or full power shigaraki / AFO (nagants bullets are massively faster than Shigi as he couldn't dodge them and Faux 100% is dozens of times faster than her bullets even on a straightaway). Point being yeah she can do low level reality warping, and if AFO and All might Didn't exist, she'd be a God, but they do. And the gap between those two and the rest of their verse is head and shoulders above even the gap between her and the cast. Her amped up Stats are more like endeavors and she has a death note she can activate with her mouth.
...but, Prime all might and theoretical full power Deku would have dog walked her. I say theoretical because we never see it, he only throws one punch with output on all mights level in the entire series, and its the last one he ever throws, horikoshi explains that the percentages deku thinks to himself are not accurate and are just him hyping himself up in several interviews. While prime AFO should have been able to take her on mid Dif, unless you ascribe to the narrative that Prime All might was Massively more powerful than AFO, but held back for too long (not fighting with lethal intent) as the narrative seems to imply, in which case its High diff to slightly losing (because of instant death clause). but her raw Power output is lower than say even Star Eater or endeavor.
sorry got out in the weeds there, but anyways, thank you for watching, your kind words and for taking the time to comment, I really appreciate it.
@tendoentiendo oh the pacing was certainly a big part of the issues I have, but I'm gonna have to disagree with the stars and stripes part, being able to kill someone if you know their name is a power nobody can touch in the series. Yes in a straight up fight she does get bodied but she only has to be able to do a command grab and it's game over, that makes her quirk feel like outright fucking magic, especially when compared to endeavor, Hawks, and other 'balanced but strong' characters from the same generation. As for Deku I agree, it wa always there- just the conclusion in the dark hero arc wound up feeling... not genuine for lack of a better term. Anyway thanks for replying! I do criticize MHA but in my case it's because I still have affection for it, and I totally blame it's weak points on the terrible life on a Mangaka. Honestly my main hope here is that Hori takes care of himself because holy shit the man isn't suited for this kind of life. I mean it shouldn't be that way in the first place but especially for him.
Honestly great video although I'm not too much of a fan of the cringy jokes thou xD I do like the gleam on the eyes symbolism, Shigaraki and the Nomu's, OFA originally being a power to kill being more emphasised and the showing of the reverse Hero's journey which breaks my heart 😥
I think I only put 2 “jokes” in there and one reference to all mights sex life. But they served narrative purpose I swear lol. I was alluding to a topic I’m covering in part 3 as a part of horikoshi’s allegory usage.
Point being I had to shoehorn them in somehow, and a bad joke is better than pulling these topics seemingly out of nowhere when they are convenient.
@@tendoentiendo
I think I am too used to commentary videos that use throw away jokes that never actually have any use or seem random for the sake of it being random that it almost just turned my brain off and just respond with "oh it's going to have those jokes in it" lol
Yeah I get you, that’s what made me include it. I figured a meaningful “throw away” line would go over peoples heads so I drew attention to it in the video. I kind of wanted to not mention it at all. Then the people that got it, got it, I’m a sucker for that sort of stuff, but they were so corny it would hurt me to have anyone think I thought they were genuinely funny.
Anyways thanks for stopping by, I appreciate your time and kind words. And hopefully you see the payoff in pt.3 lol. Just gotta get 2 done…
This is a really great video, ive never gotten people upset at endeavor "not getting consequences" which isn't even true but they want Rei and her family to just sue him ignoring the whole personal drama they all went out to deal with on their own. It's so frustrating, they don't want to understand such a deep and personal family trauma story. These people don't want to engage with mha.
u ate this 🙏
They are the same person tho.
What's your basis for believe they aren't? Even if Shigaraki's hatred were to vanish, he still would be by the league's side. This is direct linked to Tenko's disire to play AM with his childhood friends who he says to be outcasts. Shigaraki is just Tenko with hatred.
kind of hard to explain in short form but I’ll try my best since you asked the most important question one could after seeing this video. Basically I think there is:
Tenko: the child consciousness that never matured and was hidden away from Shigaraki himself until he unlocked the memories in the PLF arc. (Hidden away via repression, and I am pretty sure there was a line saying that AFO altered or blocked those memories from him and that he can’t remember most of his life.)
Shigaraki: the character that we follow the majority of the series.
And AFO-Garaki: the merged elements of Shigaraki and AFO that are neither one truly (as explained in the series)
The reaoson I think they “aren’t the same person” despite sharing the same body is that the series explains that the consciousness of the person is stored in the quirk. And the Shigaraki we follow was only ever half a soul so to speak and that soul is only half of the original creature named Tenko. Then there is the fact each “version” of himself thinks acts and behaves differently and is usually denoted with different eye shading a gleam, no gleam, and flat (edit though this does also denote heroism and the synchronicity of ones goals and ideal). Typically following the respective tenko, shigaraki and, AFOGaraki. They are also denoted by the font they speak in and the language they use. Which I think is first introduced after tartarus break or shortly before. you could segment the shigaraki’s (as I see them) like this
1. The start of the series follows shigaraki, this consciousness we know is His tenko consciousness with a corrupted soul, it’s torn in half and replaced in his body somewhere early in life. In the hospital arc, in his inner realm while he is adding AFO to his body, he imagines (or sees) his mother and changes from shigaraki to tenko, in order to speak with her. Then imagines his father and turns back into shigaraki. Seems like a throwaway scene but then in the war we are shown that it isn’t. He managed to compartmentalized his shigaraki consciousness that fused with AFO and his tenko consciousness (soul) that remained hidden and unmolested.
2. It’s mostly this ‘second’ so to speak “shigaraki” that we follow in the war arc. It is a combination of AFO and the shigaraki we know because it’s reiterated that it is not purely shigaraki or AFO. Even when “shigaraki is mostly in control of this consciousness it still talks plans and acts more like AFO. In general the war arc (AFOGaraki), thinks and behaves differently, communicates much more maturely and is more akin to AFO in intelligence relative to Shigaraki pre-merger. He also behaves autonomously from AFO and against his wishes and against their better interest. New order couldn’t even distinguish what this soul was. The author put that in the story on purpose, it wasn’t an accident that the idea was introduced. Even when they are at their most complete stage of merging the tenko personality shines through for a moment and speaks and thinks like a child when compared to the 2 personalities we know.
3. War arc tenko that is an actual child mentally.
Not married to this last idea at all, but the tenko we see towards the end might not be the “tenko” we had seen to that point. Though I am not remotely committed to the idea, because of how the series ended. But essentially, Tenko’s…the original tenko…soul could and should have been rejoined after merging with AFO completely, like after AFO consumes him (after deku loses arms). Because AFO tore his quirk (the vessel for his consciousness / soul) in half and only returned part of it. Meaning a piece of that original tenko was in AFO the whole time and thus the tenko that is “saved” through deku killing him is the “original tenko that was always meant to be
…unless AFO gave it away off screen and just never revealed it to the audience. Probably to one of the many back up vessels we know he had (we see them in dabi’s flashbacks and he says it himself at a couple point.. Perhaps even gave it to that conspicuous little boy we see one chapter before the end of the series and before deku see’s shigaraki’s soul theoretically at peace but still on earth.
not very short but I tried. a theoretical part 4 would cover this video. but I'm still on 2 and 3. Of course I could just be reading too much into this, but then why would the author go to such great length to denote the differences between them, and have a mini arc / fight that shows they aren't the same person despite sharing the same body?
assuming you read all that whatever conclusion you come to is equally valid, unless the author presents an answer themselves at a convention at some point and is just like..."lol, what? no. this is just a comic about people punching really hard. " anyways thanks for stopping by I genuinely appreciate it.
oh and I just reread my initial response, sorry it was unedited so a little repetitive at a part, but New order can act on concepts like "air" she doesn't have to name the elements in particular that she wants. but Naming shigaraki didn't work, because its isn't shigaraki. I don't remember which picture of shigaraki I put up at that part in the video but I meant to put up war arc shigaraki and then cut away to the scene where Shigaraki turns into tenko.
@@tendoentiendo I’m still confused.
-What “Hospital arc”?
-Which “War arc”? (There’s two war arcs, the PLF War and the Final War.)
-You say the start the series (U.S.J.) follows the Tenko consciousness, but I thought that part of him was hidden away through repression at that point in time.
-If “the Shigaraki we follow is half a soul and that soul is only half of Tenko”, then are you saying the Shigaraki we follow is only one-fourth of Tenko? If so, how? I mean, Tenko lost half(?) of his soul when AFO stole his original Quirk, but where did he lose the other fourth of his soul?
-When did AFO tear Tenko’s Quirk in half? From what I remember, no Quirk/Soul is ever split in two. They are destroyed or transferred as one whole thing. Not two parts.
For the record, I’m NOT disagreeing or arguing with you. Your theory is much more complex than most I’ve seen on this site, but I can’t understand what you’re trying to say.
@@Awesome_Swordsman
Hospital arc = jaku hospital raid
War arc = final war
Start of series shigaraki = I am referring to his first appearance (USJ) up until PLF. the portion you took to mean "tenko's consciousness [is the one we follow]" (though I specified tenko's consciousness with a corrupted soul), was my less than stellar attempt to briefly explain that their is a good to fair chance an arbitrary amount of birth tenko soul could have remained in the vessel (his body). Then both that and the decay quirk soul are then what we follow in series from USJ until he merges with AFO in the Jaku hospital raid.
Quarter soul
Not entirely sure where quarters are coming from…seems out of left field but I think I can follow the logic as to how you got there. I get the feeling I may have misrepresented my position at some point, or used the wrong name in reference to an idea of an entity sharing the same body which is causing some of this miscommunication (this is in part what I was referring to in the video about the naming system in this series being confusing). I will try to be as precise as possible here.
The shigaraki we follow (first appearance in USJ to PLF) is presumably some arbitrary portion of his birth soul and the rest is composed of the quirk that was torn in half and supplanted in him. But technically it is all “his” consciousness as he knows nothing else (the change happened in infancy/ toddlerdom ). He, earlier in life, through some combination of AFO interference and extreme childhood trauma (also could just be due to the unnatural [yet in this instance natural] process of the decay quirk finally bonding to the body and manifesting for the first time), compartmentalized into himself (here meaning “shigaraki” the boy who murdered his family) and his other self (tenko the boy who who didn’t kill his family and never grew up past the day the quirk manifested) inherently because they share the same body one might call them the same “person” (here meaning body) but not the same mind (consciousness). If you think that consciousness begets the soul, or vis a versa, it would change the answer as to whether or not he is “a quarter soul” a half or a whole…or 2 souls or 3 souls.
…but, ultimately in terms of the English language and in the metaphysical context of the story we are discussing, the entities in the body called Tomura shigaraki DO NOT share the same consciousness (regardless of what arbitrary portions you believe belong to whichever party) . They perceive and interpret the world differently through the same body. Again you can chose your own metaphysical dogma and subdivide the soul into fourths if you chose but that is not, and will not ever be my position despite thinking I understand the logic of it. In the simplest terms no metaphysics. The creature called shigaraki is basically a computer running three different Operating systems. Each holding their own intelligence program. Their abilities, upper and lower, are vastly different and given identical circumstance would each make completely different decisions, for completely different reasons. If we anthropomorphized them. One would call them different people. As they by definition ARE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. As personage, being a “person”, is defined as a being with specific capacities, attributes reasoning (ability) and morality. By definition each manifestation of shigaraki is a “different” person. and that is affirmed in the narrative (star).
“tear tenko’s quirk”
This is what makes me believe I may have misspoken or mistakenly misrepresented my position (though I couldn't find it), but this is in reference to AFO claiming that he only gave him (tenko Shimura) half a quirk (which we know because we read the story is inadvertently and sometimes advertently containing a soul/ consciousness) The soul added to him is half of some unknown entities quirk while his original (from birth) soul/consciousness was either excised completely or in part (though almost certainly in part as some people in series don’t become comatose after losing their quirk while others do). The decay quirk was originally able to destroy and reverse its own effects. It was split in half deliberately, then placed in him. We don’t see it in series but conceptually, it is explained to us in exposition.
Thus, the persons inside the body called Tomura Shigaraki could be identified as:
1. “tenko” personality (consciousness) from childhood. Could either a blend of tenko’s birth soul and exogenous quirk, or more narratively accurate original tenko’s soul and consciousness before the second soul and quirk finally took root in him on the day the shimura family was killed (I ascribe to the latter)
2. Shigaraki, the consciousness we follow from his introduction in USJ until PLF
3. AFOGaraki the merge version of the two the is neither Tomura nor AFO but something in between.
Hopefully that clears things up, because I really can't keep trying to type out a concept this nuanced with minimal editing for just one person.
I do appreciate the conversation though.
I was gonna make a essay in school about him how’s he’s not a “broken hero” 😂
not sure what your prompt is, but I would go "the symbol of failure" route. There is a lot to delve into with the inversion of his and deku's attributes, AFO OFA, the religious imagery, iconography and then of course close with the title being a double meaning that you draw attention to in the final moments to re-contextualize your entire position. Teachers eat that up.
I don't see a ton of direction to go with the "broken hero" narrative, that's not really a message of the story so introducing a problem just to solve it isn't a satisfying premise and ridiculously hard to pull off even for professional writers (Just look at star vs shigaraki). Unless of course you go double meaning again and it's a play on the broken hero ie: All mights broken old model of heroism, and the failure and disasters it wrought on society.
hell you could smash those two premises together and get something meaningful and informative.
whatever you do, good luck and thanks for stopping by.
I remember getting too excited when Bakugo basically killed AFO thinking he was gone for good...till I reread and remembered that Shigaraki had the original AFO quirk and therefore, the man's vestige. That told me that the war wouldn't end without him coming back one more time (even if that annoyed me). But even now after the manga's conclusion, I still think that despite ol Nutsack Face's meddling, Shigaraki was his own person. A hero for the villains and someone who fought to destroy till the end, as he put it.
Great vid, my guy and nice choice of X's music at the start and end💯👏🏾
AWESOME VIDEOOOOOOO
thank you! took a lot of work, glad it turned out okay
A bit random but All Might is confirmed to be a virgin in an interview xD
I think the translation is “no experience with women” not that he gets no cheeks. I had no experience with women but they throw themselves at you enough and one or two get through. And I’m in not even a 7 foot tall international superstar / Adonis, but a humble 5’’10 (if I stretch) funny man. Also, he was awfully close with a couple fellas. Nighteye and detective tsukauichi could been power bottoms 😂
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😳also maybe I need to reread that interview lol
‘themes and such’
Such is the way of the world. Balancing “themes and such” with satisfying narratives. It doesn’t always work out
If I had a nickel for each time I’ve seen that “kids, don’t be racist” clip associated with the heteromorph stuff, I’d have two nickels, which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice.
Only 15 minutes in. This is good stuff, so far.
😂😂 and here I thought I was being original, I guess the overlap between Steven universe and MHA fans is larger than I thought.
@@tendoentiendo It was used by The Custodians in their reaction to 7X14.
That was followed up by a clip of Godzilla representing Spinner unleashing an attack.
The cope is strong with this one.
Really not cope here, that comes later. This narrative was very superficial (on the surface) , I genuinely never understood how people didn’t see it in real time. There’s a lot to genuinely complain about in this series, shigaraki just isn’t one of them. Either way thanks for stopping by.
@@tendoentiendoDespite not agreeing with what you have to say regarding MHA, I do appreciate all the hard work you put in for the video. Very well done.
@@gasperflores543 well then give him a point.
If Deku just fixes every problem It wouldn't make sense, and it would makes the side characters irrelevant
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I mean in my opinion I STILL don’t like the retcon of Shigaraki that happened with him in the last few chapters originally having a quirk but got stolen by AFO and was just given Decay.
It just not as interesting to me
I’m fine with Shigaraki dying in the end though
A retcon necessitates contradiction, I don't believe there was a statement that Shigaraki was born with his quirk. the only thing they ever say (I think it was when all might was talking with his cop friend) is that its "mutated" and not a part of his family line, and they think it has something to do with the quirk singularity...which as we know, but not the member of this universe, the quirk singularity has always been OFA and AFO so even that was a hint.
However even from chapter one horikoshi was alluding to the quirk being forced upon him. There's this whole religious element of the story I will cover in pt.3 of this video that explain this quite well (still working on pt. 2 so I won't give it away here but I'll hint at it) and then the implications the entire time that his body was unsuited to his quirk, and that he couldn't control it at all. just like Deku. Horokoshi depicts shigaraki holding things with 4 fingers or less throughout the first half of the series implying that if he touches it with all 5 it could activate against his will. There is also the juxtaposition of All might passing on OFA and AFO passing on his quirk. All might goes out of his way to say "don't worry im not going to force this on you" then looks at the camera or the viewer and something similar happens in the manga. Viz translates this as a Proposal, which they emphasize in bold writing. Implying that from chapter ONE the option exists to force quirks upon people. And while the symbol of peace isn't willing to do it to pass the torch his antithesis certainly was.
there was even more to this and a LOT of telegraphing that this was the case, which is why for well over 5 years people had been speculating that Shigaraki got his quirk from AFO, but most of us thought he started out quirkless.
that said you not liking it is totally valid. The way it was handled was poor, it should have been a slow release or left completely subtextual, not a "I'll hint at it the entire series, go nowhere with it and then just confirm it in exposition in a couple pages". I would have preferred just a flashback sequence with a single panel with no text showing child shigaraki using a different quirk other than decay mixed in. then if you pick up on it then good for you. If not the story continues. But it seems like the handling was a byproduct of concluding the story during a war. energy is high action is grand and then they have to shoehorn in some story elements that needed more time before the clock runs out. A lot of modern shonen are suffering from this, and while just speculation, I get the feeling it is being forced on them by the company. Final wars that is. They sell well.
@@tendoentiendo Yeah no matter how well eplained and even intended the Possession twist was it STILL sucks in my eyes and will never be glad that it's a major part of the story, but i learned to accept it. And there's always fanfiction anyways.
It was set up since his backstory got put in for MVA, a man in a suit brings him home
@@Thedemonlord4642 So what we’ve been gaslit into believing the potentially interesting parallel between Shigaraki and Deku BUT Instead it’s the much less interesting fight of OFA vs Mustache twirling AFO!? In the end I Almost feel no desire to rewatch the entire series if this was the real final battle. Honestly I just feel disappointed with what we got.
@@toadlord8594 no there was always deku and shigaraki, he’s deku’s villain for sure, but from the very beginning it’s been AFO vs OFA. Good vs evil, and AFO is the symbol of evil. The final battle represents AFO vs OFA with AFO letting go of his will to even fight almost entirely and everyone doing all they can for deku
Also all that soul and deku reverse journey is an extreme stretch. Also no the write is shit. Hori is an ok artist and a shit writer
The soul being a stretch? The consciousness of a being is stored in the quirk…that’s stated in the series. The wild wild pussycat who had her quirk stolen lived a life comatose afterwards. She never recovered. Her body worked and her mind was gone. The nomu experienced the same thing except in the near high end were one personality expressed dominance over the others… as almight got closer to death his soul (consciousness) began to solidify itself in Deku. Not stretch at all. On that subject on that subject at least.
But the reverse heroes journey for Deku is speculative, I am not the writer. But read the heroes journey story beats and what they signify for yourself. Compare it to Deku’s life. Then look at his opposite Shigaraki, how he follows the heroes journey. Their names are AFO and OFA literally just backwards. Their ideals, methodology, goals and DESIGN are antithetical to one another. Horikoshi was very on the nose about them being opposites. But he was subtle about shigaraki wanting to be a hero the entire series. He was subtle about him following the heroes journey (kind of, it was really obvious to me) until the very end when he just outright says shigaraki was a hero for villains. Then following the internal logic of horikoshi’s writing, it implies that because shigaraki went on the heroes journey the opposite is true of Deku…and it does fit. REMARKABLY well. But hey think for yourself. You don’t have to come to my conclusions. But suggesting it’s unfounded just means you haven’t read the source material enough or lack reading comprehension skills.
Either way, I’m delving into that narrative element in part 3 (still editing 2) this was a “preview” as I said in the video. It would have derailed the conversation further to focus on Deku, as it was I spent almost half the time on him and only because it was necessary here. I didn’t need to “prove” so to speak that Deku was on an inverted heroes journey to demonstrate that tenko shimura was a victim and shigaraki while never truly lost, did need to be saved.
Fun fact the purpose of the songs at the beginning and end of this video are
A. allusion the narrative element of the story shigaraki and deku ( AFO and OFA) are opposites almost every discernible category. And yet perfectly in line with one another.
B. To signify that you can follow a melody (the main element of a song) whether it goes forwards or backwards. But the lyrics are fixed in one direction. Deku (the main element) could be going forwards or backwards on his literary device and the meaning wouldn’t change. But shigaraki could only be understood if it’s forwards. And his narrative absolutely is.
I hope you look into it yourself but if not I’ll point you in the right direction. Most of his elements are literal. To name a few call to adventure (literal phone call), meeting of the mentor (AFO literally found a mentor for him to study from) and crossing the threshold (literally crosses a threshold [portal] into the unknown before he’s ready). Horikoshi isn’t the best writer, that’s true. Hence why none of this should have gone over peoples heads and yet it did. Have a good one