What if The UK Never Joined WW2 - Hearts Of Iron 4

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  • @iSorrowproductions
    @iSorrowproductions  2 года назад +204

    Download Kingdom Maker on iOS & Android and start ruling today: pixly.go2cloud.org/SH3Ip

    • @paradoxy4176
      @paradoxy4176 2 года назад +14

      Do Artillery Only

    • @mighty_spirit8532
      @mighty_spirit8532 2 года назад +25

      No

    • @chezz5772
      @chezz5772 2 года назад +7

      Alex the rambler did a ad for kingdom maker and he mentioned the boinking so why didn’t you😐

    • @chnb517
      @chnb517 2 года назад +6

      Looks like crар

    • @british5915
      @british5915 2 года назад +12

      Where’s the rat

  • @simcoe4045
    @simcoe4045 2 года назад +2164

    I love how despite losing the war, Germany ended up as a super power ruling over half of Europe and Africa.

    • @Monsterstrike7
      @Monsterstrike7 2 года назад +173

      Germany is WW2 Bulgaria on steroids.

    • @sp0ckz0mbi3
      @sp0ckz0mbi3 2 года назад +132

      Mission failed successfully!

    • @adautremont265
      @adautremont265 2 года назад +1

      bring back the ray

    • @marcino457
      @marcino457 2 года назад +12

      So like OTL? I guess on OTL they don’t have many neocolonial investments in Africa, but half of Western Africa is still practically a French colonial possession and France is in the EU, which Germany dominates, so that counts, right?

    • @Monsterstrike7
      @Monsterstrike7 2 года назад +69

      @@marcino457 that's not how the EU works...

  • @Orthane
    @Orthane 2 года назад +1505

    That Tibetan modern tank is probably the most cursed thing I've ever seen in any game ever.

    • @zollychan
      @zollychan 2 года назад +144

      the best part was that it had like, NO EQUIPMENT IN IT
      It's like a ghost division operation

    • @zacky1010
      @zacky1010 2 года назад

      @@zollychan
      PANZER ELITE
      BORN TO COMPETE
      NEVER RETREAT

    • @maxsmith8196
      @maxsmith8196 2 года назад +93

      @@zollychan first in the line of fire, first into hostile land, monks leading the way…

    • @nolimitscoasterguy4813
      @nolimitscoasterguy4813 2 года назад +4

      The ghost division

    • @philipweber9545
      @philipweber9545 2 года назад +17

      The second most cursed is the soviet congo

  • @madeinaholeinyourrightwing4597
    @madeinaholeinyourrightwing4597 2 года назад +4891

    i just had a dream where you decided to play every releasable nation in africa A to Z and you started with albania for dream reasons , please make my dream real

    • @riasthitayan7558
      @riasthitayan7558 2 года назад +298

      albania used to be a state in the caucuses, which is sorta africa.

    • @MadMogsy
      @MadMogsy 2 года назад

      Ah, love me a gibberish a.i German pornstar. Does anyone actually fall for this?

    • @LuanGamesBr
      @LuanGamesBr 2 года назад +38

      Al-Andalus

    • @bosslikeryt651
      @bosslikeryt651 2 года назад +101

      @The Ring of power. Ffs this is in every commentsection

    • @gifigi600
      @gifigi600 2 года назад +91

      Albania the best African nation

  • @WolfeHowles
    @WolfeHowles 2 года назад +962

    there's a fun thing you can do with imperial federation. Where you go down fascist path, complete "unite the anglosphere" down the monarchy bit, invade and fully annex all US cores. Retake the commonwealth. Form the "Dominion of North America", giving Canada all US territory you occupy and coring it. Then you do imperial federation, and since you formed the dominion of north america, you get all the US cores too. THEN, you have the option to form the EU on top of that. Can only be done with fascist UK though after imperial federation.

    • @bdoom361
      @bdoom361 2 года назад +134

      Correction: canada only accepts if you have more factories than them. So you need to do the imperial federation events BEFORE you form the Dominion of North America with the decision.

    • @willblack7353
      @willblack7353 2 года назад +175

      Also you can theoretically core Spain, Portugal, and Brazil this way, if France cores Spain and Spain cores Portugal and Portugal cores Brazil.

    • @adautremont265
      @adautremont265 2 года назад +28

      bring back the rat

    • @WolfeHowles
      @WolfeHowles 2 года назад +86

      @@willblack7353 that's a hyper specific path, but I like it

    • @WolfeHowles
      @WolfeHowles 2 года назад +5

      @@bdoom361 That's interesting, I've never had an issue with doing things that way round

  • @jimtalbott9535
    @jimtalbott9535 2 года назад +224

    “Soviet Congo” - where all the comrades give each other a helping hand!

  • @davidcoop8082
    @davidcoop8082 2 года назад +414

    1 minute of silence for the missing rat

  • @ITF_Jeezus
    @ITF_Jeezus 2 года назад +337

    POV: You have entered a different universe and ISP has become Drew Durnil and is now spectating Hoi4 without getting involved

    • @ungluedbiscuit2736
      @ungluedbiscuit2736 2 года назад +23

      ISP Reddit videos incoming

    • @AaronRodgeer
      @AaronRodgeer 2 года назад +1

      He did get involved

    • @EEEEEEEE
      @EEEEEEEE 2 года назад

      ‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎E‎

    • @randomfootballfan2952
      @randomfootballfan2952 2 года назад

      @@EEEEEEEE u are cultured

    • @vulpes7079
      @vulpes7079 11 месяцев назад

      I miss those days

  • @samso7267
    @samso7267 2 года назад +539

    This feels weord seeing him play countries he's played before

    • @samso7267
      @samso7267 2 года назад +22

      @@crocodileguy4319 I was talking about how a2z ended so now it's weird not seeing him playing weird ass nations

    • @adautremont265
      @adautremont265 2 года назад +6

      bring back the rat

  • @warlordofbritannia
    @warlordofbritannia 2 года назад +66

    *Soviets capitulate Germany*
    France: We’re saved! You’re going to liberate us, right?
    ….
    Right?

    • @keris8708
      @keris8708 2 года назад +9

      They did liberate France, in Algeria lmao

    • @harrylongdick1303
      @harrylongdick1303 2 года назад +2

      More like, under new management

  • @orphieforce3866
    @orphieforce3866 2 года назад +95

    ISP: so today we're not getting envolved in WWII
    Nevile Chamberline: YES
    ISP: "officially"
    Chamberline: NO NO NO

  • @therealBosnianBallPlayz
    @therealBosnianBallPlayz 2 года назад +326

    *"The United States joines the Comintern"*
    The most cursed alliance since *"The German Empire joins the Comintern"*

    • @warlordofbritannia
      @warlordofbritannia 2 года назад +28

      *We can’t expect the Allies to do [any] of the work*

    • @adautremont265
      @adautremont265 2 года назад +2

      bring back the rat

    • @mihajlo4655
      @mihajlo4655 2 года назад +2

      Tvoja mama

    • @Videokirby
      @Videokirby 2 года назад

      The Berlin-Moscow Axis, so cursed it can literally knock the non-Democracy out of the USA.

    • @flavivsaetivs5738
      @flavivsaetivs5738 2 года назад +3

      Unironically blessed tho, no cold war

  • @_JOJ_
    @_JOJ_ 2 года назад +23

    Whenever the AI makes the peace deals, what's funny is that they always liberate Austria but only in South Tyrol.

  • @justinambru8529
    @justinambru8529 2 года назад +73

    Now with A2Z over, the mods shall be UNLEASHED!!!

  • @JayJaid
    @JayJaid 2 года назад +40

    I swear Kingdom Maker is gonna be the next Raid Shadow Legends

  • @jacobhathaway4894
    @jacobhathaway4894 2 года назад +24

    Neville Chamberlain simulator

    • @ouaislem
      @ouaislem 2 года назад +3

      Chamber of Neville

  • @holandreas
    @holandreas 2 года назад +19

    You can assign field marshals at the same time as generals to volunteers.

  • @marshallofataturk6009
    @marshallofataturk6009 2 года назад +55

    Isp never disappoints us with his crippled depression caused by hoi4.

  • @airl10
    @airl10 2 года назад +58

    Recently, I played Germany, and it was the first time I did so after the release of NSB. I went fascist and before NSB, I would usually not declare on Poland and let the Soviets defeat them so I could get cores Poznan and Katowice, then I would immediately invade the Soviets since they always took horrendous losses. Only then would I declare on the Allies. I tried doing that in my recent game, but the Soviets were doing nothing. Which was odd since going after Poland, Romania, the Baltic states, and Finland were some of the first things they usually do after the Great Purge is over. So I waited and waited until it was 45'. Then I tagged switched to the Soviets to see what they were doing and they didn't even finish the Great Purge. The time since the last purge focus was around two years. So I then forced them to finish the purge and waited a year for them to declare on Poland. Then they took another year to defeat Poland. Then I finally declared war on them. I literally sat from 36' to 47' building up and doing nothing else. Also the Great Patriotic War was against Iraq, and France went democratic but since I didn't invade them, communism slowly built up until they flipped, unlocked the communist branch, and left the Allies sometime in 48' or 49'. By then, the game ran so poorly that I just decided to end my campaign.

    • @EEEEEEEE
      @EEEEEEEE 2 года назад

      ‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎E‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎‎

  • @mappingshaman5280
    @mappingshaman5280 2 года назад +5

    "America probably just dropped a nuke on China."
    McArthur: *nuts*

  • @costejio
    @costejio 2 года назад +24

    Gravy Father has returned

  • @silversnakeproductions3241
    @silversnakeproductions3241 2 года назад +43

    Way to Easily annex subjects: Build Forts in them, they are quick and easy and you can spam so many of them

    • @pandaxow7121
      @pandaxow7121 2 года назад

      doesnt their autonomy decrease on the amount of civs youre using on building on them

    • @Thomas-qy3ox
      @Thomas-qy3ox 2 года назад +2

      @@pandaxow7121 It increases with any building. Infrastructure is good if you wanna do it slow and get a nice bonus at the end. Forts are a good way to do it quickly, the quickest actually

  • @Orthane
    @Orthane 2 года назад +7

    "The United States joined Comintern"
    *WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!?!?!?!*

  • @joshual9976
    @joshual9976 2 года назад +10

    ISP: sets Japan to be neutral
    Japan: *declares war on soviets*
    Japan: …uh bonzai?

    • @hunter_noah
      @hunter_noah 2 года назад

      Neutral just means it goes nonaligned, and the japanese nonaligned tree is all about attacking the soviet union

    • @jamesparkes8776
      @jamesparkes8776 2 года назад +1

      Confused battotai

  • @chickenreaper512
    @chickenreaper512 2 года назад +6

    Isp: "the British had something called-"
    Ad: "DayDawns power wash"
    Me: nice

  • @cowwithinternet
    @cowwithinternet 2 года назад +15

    When ISP does more AI only games then Drew Durnil:

  • @ikskilnieks3753
    @ikskilnieks3753 2 года назад +10

    I had an idea: you could do a ck3 a-z, but doing all starting nations would be insane, so the idea is that you would create every kingdom and empire starting from the letter a to z, so it wouldnt be like 1 million videos

  • @Jimothyjohns
    @Jimothyjohns 2 года назад +8

    I think it’d be fun if he played every state in the USA. Seems like a fun way to spend a few months

  • @phsycresconquest6636
    @phsycresconquest6636 2 года назад +3

    I’d argue splendid isolation was actually the case of the British watching their favourite TV show and whenever there’s a threat that it will get cancelled it’s full action stations in order to make certain that it gets it’s next season.

  • @Bluewah96
    @Bluewah96 2 года назад +17

    I tried this only for a civil war to break out

    • @Ronald98
      @Ronald98 2 года назад

      I think you went the communist path.

  • @wildfiregaming2717
    @wildfiregaming2717 2 года назад +19

    Rip the rat

  • @birdseyeviewpolitics
    @birdseyeviewpolitics 2 года назад +9

    When america has to complete 3 focuses to join the Comintern and does that in 5 days so ISP can have content/stop waiting

  • @toasterdogg
    @toasterdogg 2 года назад +7

    ”Peace in our time? More like Deez in our time. And by deez I mean deez nuts!”
    ~ Palden Norbu

  • @kedronmallia939
    @kedronmallia939 2 года назад +4

    I think lowering your puppet's autonomy before holding the imperialconference will make it more likely that they'd accept the offers

  • @Dalynx09
    @Dalynx09 2 года назад +8

    "What if the UK never joined WW2"
    Hippie UK moment

  • @TheFriendlyCorgi
    @TheFriendlyCorgi 2 года назад +8

    Honestly I wouldn't mind having a new Czech focus tree where you can make zapodoslavia

  • @owouwu97
    @owouwu97 2 года назад +1

    3:25
    Soviet Union: -Hey, that's my role!

  • @randomproductions1650
    @randomproductions1650 2 года назад +7

    your next series should be "forming every single formable nation in hoi4"

  • @tokarevtom3618
    @tokarevtom3618 2 года назад +1

    New challenge HOI4 but you actually enjoy the game and don't bump the liquor store owner up a tax bracket.

  • @muovi2463
    @muovi2463 2 года назад +1

    US joins Comintern, Tibetan modern tank division, Soviet Kongo...
    HOI4 AI is beautiful

  • @thorskjelver8564
    @thorskjelver8564 2 года назад +11

    I can hear the difference in your voice now that you're finished with HoI4 A-Z. You sound genuinely happier and this was a lot of fun.
    Also this seems like a pretty based timeline.

  • @CasperVanderlyle
    @CasperVanderlyle 2 года назад +2

    A-Z is done and isorrow can't get hoi4 out of his system

  • @dankhill72
    @dankhill72 2 года назад +1

    Shouldve done Norway. Called it NoWarway!

  • @ekscalybur
    @ekscalybur Год назад

    That last third REALLY stretches the definition of not getting involved. A whole lot of "I'm breaking through, and my tanks are doing..."

  • @lordzendikar
    @lordzendikar 2 года назад +14

    GIVE US THE RAT

  • @interwalls3371
    @interwalls3371 2 года назад +1

    1:35. this is even scarier then the realistic version of "You're pointless".

  • @charmyzard
    @charmyzard 2 года назад +6

    The funny part is how a neutral Britain would most likely have helped Germany, not the Soviets.
    ISP really pushing the limits of logic for the funnies.

    • @LuminousWhispers11
      @LuminousWhispers11 2 года назад +1

      Actually, by helping either you technically aren't be neutral.

  • @nolimitscoasterguy4813
    @nolimitscoasterguy4813 2 года назад +16

    I have a fun mod you should try, it called “on the clouds of heaven, rise of the Vatican” it’s a new mod and it was extremely fun and the focus tree is very fun as well

  • @tedlee7821
    @tedlee7821 2 года назад +1

    'Sorry ol' chap, but you're CRINGE!' *denies french membership*
    i laughed way too much at that

  • @gandalf_thegrey
    @gandalf_thegrey 2 года назад +1

    WHY did I laugh at
    "Sorry old chap, but you are cringe!*

  • @SteventheOrigin
    @SteventheOrigin 2 года назад +5

    BRING👏BACK👏THE👏RAT👏ISP👏

  • @Mr_Dimento
    @Mr_Dimento 2 года назад +1

    Germany: “I see this as an absolute win!”

  • @archylowe603
    @archylowe603 Год назад

    15:20 I have a feeling that one day we might have the reason to say "that aged well

  • @bakedbeans7093
    @bakedbeans7093 2 года назад

    12:31 “it’s just a special operation”
    Me:where have I heard that before

  • @NAviationWario
    @NAviationWario 2 года назад +15

    Splendid isolation A to Z.

  • @Cerabelus
    @Cerabelus 2 года назад +1

    My longest games Australia 1956, Guangxi 1963...after that I've never played another Chinese warlord game ever again.

  • @xp9565
    @xp9565 2 года назад +4

    for once Neville man gets his strat used

  • @clongshanks5206
    @clongshanks5206 2 года назад +1

    2:00 ending

  • @tankdstr58yr50
    @tankdstr58yr50 2 года назад +1

    Honestly that peace deal was not the worst it could be

  • @benceszekeres6103
    @benceszekeres6103 2 года назад

    I just realized... OMG im watching your vids since 6 fucking years, and you have been my first english speaking youtuber that i have subbed for.... time goes fast asf

  • @MatsLM
    @MatsLM 2 года назад +1

    I had a good laugh with “Soviet Congo” like WHAT.

  • @LindseyTate13
    @LindseyTate13 Год назад

    The hilarious thing is that I am a rail fan and the LMS (London, Midland & Scottish Railway) Class 8F locomotive was real, and were used by the war department in the Middle East during the Second World War and some were sold after ww2 to locale railways.

  • @jimtalbott9535
    @jimtalbott9535 2 года назад

    This video is the in incarnation of the old headline from The Times of London: “Channel shrouded in fog - Continent cut off.”

  • @gandalf_thegrey
    @gandalf_thegrey Год назад

    Chamberlain: I SAID WE HAVE PEACE IN OUR GODDAMN TIME AND NOTHING WILL STOP ME

  • @stefangavril3906
    @stefangavril3906 2 года назад

    you do nothing as the uk and look away for a second and the soviet union casually forms 1984's eurasia

  • @okan009
    @okan009 2 года назад +1

    12:50 Very nice faction name.
    Hello from Turkey 🇹🇷😇

  • @echo_9835
    @echo_9835 2 года назад +1

    I love these sorts of cursed videos

  • @KaiserCrocer
    @KaiserCrocer 2 года назад +9

    I think Germany failed upwards in this game, even in losing they stilled kept France and the African colonies.

  • @0mn0mable
    @0mn0mable 2 года назад +8

    "never play HOI4 past 1945. It is a cursed place that makes no sense whatsoever."
    Yeah but I love it when you play late 'cursed' HOI4 games. They're awesome with their lunatic narratives that the AI cooks up. It makes great youtube vids. XD 😂

    • @DehydratedDarkness
      @DehydratedDarkness Год назад +1

      My favorite schizo scenario was when everybody left the allies after WW2, Poland formed full Intermarium which led to them fighitng USA for some reason, which resulted in Japan winning in Asia and led to WW3 with Intermarium ahd Japan murdering Soviets. From earlier phenomenona, all the dominions have left the UK despite the latter staying democratic, France had three civil wars, Italy had a civil war that kept facists in power and Switzerland casually formed Alpine Protectorate wihtout shooting a single bullet

  • @derekskelton4187
    @derekskelton4187 2 года назад +7

    I'd enjoy this more if you released all of your colonies and Northern Ireland first

    • @kw8831
      @kw8831 2 года назад

      You've angered the ghost of Ian Paisley!

  • @GeneralLuxofficial
    @GeneralLuxofficial 2 года назад

    Great video man!

    • @mayawing5705
      @mayawing5705 2 года назад +1

      Lies tou haven't watched all of it yet

    • @mighty_spirit8532
      @mighty_spirit8532 2 года назад +2

      Those first 23 seconds sure were great huh?

  • @dyl5775
    @dyl5775 2 года назад

    Who would have thought that British imperialist expansionist isolation would lead to an incredibly cursed world.

  • @soupymilk1631
    @soupymilk1631 2 года назад

    I can't tell you how many times I've played as someone like Brazil, done my own thing the entire time and waited until the Germans were getting beaten to join the war, get 2% participation and steal whatever I could in the peace deal.

  • @roguelamp6991
    @roguelamp6991 2 года назад +1

    See this is what every country should do, just mind their own business if it doesn't effect them.

  • @FrozenHistory852
    @FrozenHistory852 Год назад

    Seeing that aircraft designer is a nightmare after By Blood Alone

  • @Manimmut
    @Manimmut 2 года назад +2

    Megacampain A-Z when?

  • @sahilhossain8204
    @sahilhossain8204 2 года назад +2

    Ah yes peace in our once upon a timeline

  • @FyresGames
    @FyresGames 2 года назад +2

    Would had been funnier if you did it with the black shirt with the pacifist leader XD

  • @somebodynamedkage9580
    @somebodynamedkage9580 2 года назад +1

    you could have bought all of the soviet resources on the market to give them civs therefore helping the supply issues

  • @allenellisdewitt
    @allenellisdewitt 2 года назад +3

    Paradox NEEDS to get the AI & it's supply line issues fixed. IMHO should have been a done deal before they pushed out the update that added them. *shrug*

  • @Emel_unlegit
    @Emel_unlegit 2 года назад +1

    The faction name reminded me of Greece-o-Slavia lmao

  • @louisthegreat1686
    @louisthegreat1686 2 года назад

    That Special Operation joke aged like fine wine

  • @BaronVonMott
    @BaronVonMott 2 года назад

    The craziest part of this timeline is the old "cruiser tank" doctrine actually apparently worked here 😂

  • @torieldreemurr541
    @torieldreemurr541 2 года назад

    Babe wake up, new ISP video just dropped.

  • @ahmadother
    @ahmadother 2 года назад

    This entire video is like a fever dream And I love it.

  • @Oliveria663
    @Oliveria663 2 года назад +6

    Skip ad 2:00

  • @iamseamonkey6688
    @iamseamonkey6688 2 года назад

    12:30 that was an amazing joke!

  • @rospirospiros
    @rospirospiros 2 года назад +1

    The most weird swiss gameplay I have even seen

  • @hatchtheegg
    @hatchtheegg Месяц назад

    Now that the international arms market is a feature you could probably transfer your industrial production to the Soviets indirectly by buying up everything (if anything) they put on the market and lend-leasing it all back.

  • @stevemc01
    @stevemc01 2 года назад +1

    4:29
    Italian Focus Tree: *exi-*
    “Sorry, ol’ chap!
    BUT YOU’RE
    C R I N G E”

  • @ryanrusch3976
    @ryanrusch3976 2 года назад +1

    This Video was made for Neville Chamberlain and he was still brought out back and shot

  • @gabrielplese7516
    @gabrielplese7516 2 года назад +4

    A-Z season 2 when?

  • @Somehole2
    @Somehole2 2 года назад

    I play kingdom maker and it is exactly what it shows in the sponsorship

  • @GWManin
    @GWManin 2 года назад

    Idea: as USSR you can't advance upon any territory while at war. "Peaceful agression."

  • @monaco6652
    @monaco6652 2 года назад +1

    Malta Kaiserredux

  • @Notazomb6319
    @Notazomb6319 2 года назад +1

    He is back! The silly map man is back! Yay!

  • @sok8921
    @sok8921 2 года назад

    Welcome back to that intrusive thought telling you to jump

  • @ps1_hagrid75
    @ps1_hagrid75 2 года назад

    ISP needs to watch the kingdom maker ads before he gets a sponsorship from them

  • @nafanarefour4564
    @nafanarefour4564 2 года назад +2

    The actual video starts at 1:59

  • @greycatturtle7132
    @greycatturtle7132 2 года назад

    Le explindid, i would love to see more of this insanity