In Search Of The Perfect Submariner: Rolex 16613 & 1680 vs Tudor 79090 Watches
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- Today we take a quick road trip and compare submariners from Rolex and Tudor, in a very personal review as I try to decide on which will be my next big purchase for 2021.
Join me as I explore the historic USS New Jersey, enjoy Italian food in Philadelphia, and take a deep dive into the history, evolution, positives and negatives of two outstanding Submariners from each brand. How does my current Tudor 79090 compare to the two-tone Rolex 16613, aka the "Bluesy"? Or the equivalent ref. 1680 from Rolex? And of course, the modern ceramic ref. 116610LN which I formerly owned?
Is it time to upgrade? Or are Submariners no longer as cool as they once were? Why do I prefer vintage over new Subs? And is it perhaps time to trade it all in for the Yachtmaster 126622, which I reviewed last year?
Join me for a Submariner special, and where better than in the Submariner’s natural environment-which also happens to be one of the most legendary battleships of all time!
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I’m so happy to weigh in here! As an owner of a 16613 “bluesy” since 1998, I can say that over all the years of my watch collecting it is not only the Rolex I have hung on to the longest, but the watch in general I have kept for the greatest time. In my over 25 years of collecting, I have owned 6 Rolexes and 2 Tudors. The two tone submariner is the only one I have kept, and with good reason....It does it all. I got married wearing it. (Twice, actually!) It has been on every single vacation I’ve taken since I have purchased it. I wear it when I am doing yardwork and I wore it last year to my nieces wedding (while wearing a suit). There’s no environment where it just doesn’t look perfect. My wife, who doesn’t really know much about watches or cares about them, has asked me to never sell it because she just loves the way it looks. That kind of appeal just doesn’t come along every day, and that should speak volumes. Thanks so much, Tristano, for another insightful and masterfully crafted review.
Thank you for that confirmation. I'm going to buy one
Here he is, folks...the man I always return to for a dose of optimism. Many things in life change, but TGV is eternal. ALL HAIL TGV.
A couple of things, TGV. First off, the mics sound excellent! Secondly, I think the Tudor is the right choice over the bluesy sub. I completely agree with all of your observations of the two watches. I'd pick the Tudor for myself too!
I second allllll of this!
The perfect Submariner is the one you own 🙂
Or the one you can't buy 🤣
100%
I feel the Yacht-Master does the luxury Submariner feel, look better than 2-tone or precious metal Subs do.
Aesthetically more striking, different with variety of materials, sizes, and that bezel, while lux Subs are more uniform while coming across as rarefied classics.
Tongue-in-cheek summation: the person in the Yacht-Master owns the boat; the person in the Submariner pilots it around for them.
TGV, admittedly I’m more of a traditionalist, but I absolutely like the Tudor Sub the most.
Great video - I believe in a beautiful watch for all occasions.. for me, that's my Bluesy 16613 (1996 made) - I'd prefer the newer adjustable clasp, but I also love the vintage.
As an Aussie - I dress pretty casual most of the time so it often features with shorts & t-shirt but my Bluesy takes any outfit up a level.
Lav mic's sounded great! Thanks for the tour. I let out an expletive when you clanked your watch that had my wife screaming "whats wrong?" from the other room! Way to shake it off brother! Cheers!
I really like the Rolex 16613 Bluesy. It's just a great looking watch and can be worn on any occasion. The Tudor is a terrific watch, but my vote is Rolex.
I have owned a 16613 since 1998. I had it cleaned at Rolex (CH) last year for about $1000.
As a daily driver, I purchased a Steeldive SD1953 (green with ceramic green bezel, with lume of face and bezel, sapphire crystal, Seiko NH35A) for $99. Upgraded the bracelet to a fully brushed, solid link, machined adjustable clasp, for $27 from AliExpress. What a terrific watch and a real "steal" for the money. Sure, it isn't a Rolex. But damn...it is still an excellent watch and something much less prone to scratch, given the ceramic bezel. It is also fairly accurate (@21.6 kbps) relative to the far superior Rolex mechanism (28.8 Kbps).
I wear the Rolex to work, occasionally. However, the SD1953 is on my wrist much more often.
For some reason that transition felt genious, quite cinematic.
When you finished talking whilst facing the ship, before boarding, into slow speech about Rolex, and with music in the background. Really well done, the only thing better would have been some slow serious classical tune, instead of the funky Jazz.
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Dear TGV,
Another enjoyable installment sir. My 6yo son and I always look forward to the YT notification, and we watch the show together. I always enjoy these outing videos, how you blend something a little different such as sight seeing, very fun. And then blending the days activities to the context of the watch. Then finallly the edit and narration brings it all together with the watch details in various ways - a fun episode.
Kind Regards,
Dean.
PS. My choice would be the Tudor also, for the same reasons, a little off the radar, knowing you have something different.
126613LB I wear with gym shorts/t-shirt on the weekend and shirt/tie 5 weekdays, it can go with anything.
19:53 You break it, you uy it ;) we've all done it but the first knock is always a relief
Man I loved the format on this video, such pleasant 26 minutes.
I can't help but enjoy the "other people don't have it" factor of the Tudor.
I like that expression, well put.
Thank you Joe,
Best regards,
TGV
In my view the Rolex sub didn’t become a luxury watch in 1969 it was the 80’s and 90’s when that happened. The gold one was Luxury but a Date window doesn’t make it a luxury watch. Just more practical for those who work in Maritime.
No-one does RUclips and watches like TGV. History, battleships, outdoors, food, drink, comparison, leather and beautiful cinematography. Pure class 👏
Right decision on the Tudor.
The 16613 is the one for me! Great video as always 👍🏻 I just remembered that I had that exact Casio when I was in middle school. Had a springbar failure and it dropped on the ground. Still ran for a few years after that great piece.
Good choice Tristano! The bluesy is gorgeous, prolly the most beautiful rolex there is imho, but that Tudor is more "real." Thanks for a great video. Would still like to see you review a Vostok Amphibia someday. Cheers!
Another reason why this channel is the channel with the most class on RUclips.
The bicolour Rolex Submariner is a very beautiful watch.
What a great video tgv, tudor knock and all.
Get both. I have a 116613lb and 114060.
They're different watches. Stealth, a bit of flash, Winter/Summer, Day/Night.
As a boy in the 80s, I fell in love with the bluesy plastered all over national geographic mags while visiting drs, dentists, science class.
It was such a special time in my life. In 2019, I went into the AD with choice of blue or blk tt. The blue won me over. It takes a special person to embrace the bluesy. I could daily it no problem. It's the perfect fuck off timepiece. Hahaha
My favorite watch in the entire Rolex lineup.
I agree with you on the Yacht Master. The rhodium dial with cyan minute hand would be my pick 👌🏽
Yet another deep dive into the world of the Submariner, no pun intended! The Tudor gets my vote in this particularly comparison. Thanks TGV.
Great video as always TGV I love watching you and Marc because of your passion for all things watch related. I would have to agree with your choice with the yacht master over the sub, I find them to be more interesting than the sub. One day I hope to own one, but until then I have Marc's islander homage to see me through lol. Be well and continue with the videos please.
TGV while talking about mics for 15 seconds: “Way too much boring stuff”
Me: well shiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
LOL sorry my friend!!! But jokes aside, I am honored to have you in the Gentry, your channel is awesome!!!
Have a great rest of your Sunday, and thank you as always for taking the time to comment.
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry You're too kind TGV. Thank you for the kind words, and thanks for the laugh with that comment in the video. Happy to be a part of the gentry. Keep up the amazing work.
Music gives me late 60’s early 70’s vibes
I am getting a C3 lume modded 379 vostok dial and hands with black ceramic bezel with lume with a stainless steel tension spring wire and new crown and hopefully brushed case and hopefully in the future a titanium crown.
That river section reminds me of the old intro
Loved this show my friend! I’ve put my name down for a NoDate Subby! Not expecting on getting a call for the next 5 years but I’ll be ready;) take care my friend!
You should go for it, I own as a wadding gift of my wife, is my favourite watch, the blue face color is unique, there is no other Rolex with the same blue...
Rolex change the blue and the printing for white for the 2021 model...you going to regret it if you don't go for it TGV...😉
amazing evolution in quality tgv. from a fan of over 3 years I am very impressed.
My husband has a 1995 steel no date Rolex Sub and I adore that watch.
So last year I decided I wanted one for myself. I was torn between the steel no date and blue two tone… I had my concerns that it might be too flashy for my style.
I went to Rolex boutique to decide. They happened to have a steel date Sub and one two tone black there waiting for pick up. I shit you not, when I tried on the black two tone my heart skipped a beat. It is too gorgeous. So I got myself the two tone black and it makes me smile every time I look at it.
I am currently on waitlist for the steel no date 😅 I refuse to pay grey market prices. No way. I will happily wait a few years.
I’ve been tempted to get the Tudor instead, but I doubt I will be completely happy with it.
I would go modern too, the hollow center and end links would drive me crazy.
TGV! Another cracking video. Delighted to hear you’re keeping the Tudor. I think I wrote that to you when you made the first video discussing the possible change. I love the Tudor. Keep the films coming. Cheers from Stockholm.
Thank you Julian, LOVE Sweden, forgive me if I have said that before.
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry you haven’t said that before but something struck me…. Have you seen Sjöö Sandström watches… hand made in Sweden… might be something for you to review? Have a look. Best Julian
6:52 dated advert in the middle
Loved the writing on the wall
Awesome production! I have a blue version of the Tudor sub. My dad has that exact bluesy sub. He bought me the Tudor in 1992 as a graduation gift from USAF flight school. It was my first mechanical watch. Your video reminded me to appreciate it more. Thank you.
Great seeing you out and about sir,. Reminds me of your older vids in NYC. As I've said before I much prefer the Tudor compared to the Rolex. Just seems more classy. More Gordon's Gin than Gordon Gecko. But as with everything it's ultimately your choice and when it's personal choice it's rarely a wrong one. As I've also said I love that yacht master and will be chuffed for you when and if you get one 👍Great video my friend, hope to see more of you out and about. Have a great weekend
Thank you Chris, that means a great deal to hear that, it was fun to do this style again, it's been too long with lockdowns and all the ret of it. Haha, "More Gordon's Gin than Gordon Gecko" love it and well put. Have a great rest of the weekend.
Best regards,
TGV
Absolutely fantastic vid. My Father was on the sister ship, USS MISSOURI BB-63 back in the 50s.
Always love your narrative.
the two tone blue was my grail for many years. a friend had the irs knocking at his door so he offered it to me at a good price. i didn’t think i should spend the money on such an extravagance but my wife had some money stashed and she bought it for me for graduating the correctional academy. i wore it quite a bit but was a little nervous out in public. so i wore it while working the yard at san quentin. my post was the main thoroughfare to go to the cellblocks. the inmates had to pass me to get to the lower yard and the education and religious services. needless to say i got a lot of looks from staff and inmates alike. the inmates knew what it was and one asked me why i would wear such a watch at work. i told him it’s one of the safest places i could wear it. he laughed and said i was probably right.
i wore it for many years until i found a used fortis flieger in new orleans. my tastes had changed. one thing about the rolex is the enamel is flaking of the dial to where it’s about 75% gone. it’s gold underneath and looks like the gold dial version. i’m sure it’s the same without the enamel and with the jewels instead.
Nice video!
For the money, I'd rather get the Glashütte Original SeaQ 1-39-11-10-90-34.
It has everything I want in a high end diver.
I was crazy about the Tudor Black Bay '58 until I got my hands on my Sinn 144. Now my desire for the Tudor has disappeared. My Sinn doesn't look like anything everyone else is wearing and I love that.
TGV honestly my favourite video you’ve done.
I’ve got the bluesy it was my grail it’s a watch I love and the watch that drew me to watches
I understand the Tudor sub has its appeal but I think you’d suit a bluesy and so would your collection 😍😜
I know two lads that’s got solid gold genuine Rolex Subs, they’ve never worked a day in their lives 🙄 says it all what I think about flashy watches. They say crime doesn’t pay apparently it must.
I’m not sure I can fully agree about the BB58 being a watch for hipsters. Looking at the IG/RUclips “influencers” in watch community, it seems like the most hipster thing at the moment is to get a vintage sub/Tudor. And by no means is that a bad choice, it’s just the most common choice at the moment. Which brings me to another point: many of these influencers are criticizing BB58 for being too obvious of a choice, while still rocking the sub in their collection. What is more obvious/typical choice than a sub? Funny thing is, some of these people are even saying they much prefer the BB58 over their sub, but they still end up selling it and keeping the sub. I guess it has to be because they feel the BB58 won’t bring them enough respect in the community, being less expensive and more attainable. And of course TGV is known to appreciate watches from any price point, so I’m not referring to him here.
And about the fauxtina: imo people are making too big of a deal of it, and over analyzing it. To me it’s just an off-white color used here, which suits the watch a lot better than pure white would with the guilt.
Good old USS NJ, being a New Jerseyan I have to say that ship is amazing so many times going and making fun memories
Ok I've never had a TGV vid take so long to watch. 😅 If I'm not pausing to look at the Glorious USS New Jersey I'm looking up books and the watches shown in the vid. 😅👍
The Blue Sub. By far , the sub. for the bonvivant and raconteur , always loved it. Neat video ! ☺
Well, I’ve never seen the blue dial Rolex submariner in the flesh, but if the dial is as gorgeous as the one of my Invicta Pro Diver version of that particular Rolex then I’d definitely get rid of the Tudor and go for it because that dial is absolutely fricking awesome. It goes from a deep dark blue over a medium blue all the way to purple!
I’ve had the invicta pro diver (two tone blue dial) for close to a decade… I just got the opportunity to purchase the “real” Bluesy 126613LB and I don’t have much to say other than wow. The dial is much more “blue” on the Rolex, almost royal blue, not quite as purple as the Invicta. The Invicta was my first real watch and I’ll always love it!
@@hazy1159 congrats on the bluesy. Sorry but the invicta version is cheap scrap metal in comparison to a real watch
@@stustab7945 Maybe follow TGV’s lead and never trash someone else’s watch - particularly just after the talked about how fond they are of it.
I never could get my head around the idea of a Submariner in precious metal. Daytona - yes. GMT - yes. Those are watches for racing drivers and pilots respectively, so a touch of elegance and glamour seems not inappropriate. But a Submariner? For me it goes against the concept.
I agree 👍 I never got used to dive watches in gold. It just looks like something it's not
How do you get the aerial shots I’ve the bridge? Also, I love your military style polo. I’d love one in Navy. Do you mind sharing where it’s from? Love the content and wish you well.
It’s only when you wear the bluesy you see the true beauty- it absolutely pops. I have one, strictly a weekend watch.
Top notch production with excellent cinematography and a well balanced comparison. I will always express my personal preference for Tudor, as an owner of both brands, Rolex have a better finish but attracts a premium that no rational mind can put into context. Tudor beats Rolex in value for money and cool factor, the contemporary Rolex is a luxury fashion watch. I must note that Rolex is very robustly machined, up market and certainly overpriced. The understated Tudor may present a better option to mare mortals.
As an owner of a 16613 slate gray Serti I am totally in love with the Tudor Sub 😱
Haven’t seen the Tudor, but looks cool. I just acquired a 16613 ( 1991 ) to complement my 5513 Sub ( 1968 ) .. love the all!
From Philly, it's amazing how the "Big J" absolutely engulfs the Camden waterfront.
This is so usefully for me.Sean Connery got me started.as a kid.keeping my timex wound proper as grandpa taught.your idea is correct I want both, but never sell the Tudor.I can get 2000 bluesy on chrono 24
This video is a perfect example of why you have the reputation that you have. Great presentation, editing, narration, and creativity. Thank you for the effort and information, very cool.
Edit: I had the 116622 YM40 - it’s a nice watch but it was surprisingly flashy and heavy. I went around a few watches and ended up with a Rolex Explorer 124270 which I can’t see myself ever parting with.
Thank you TGV for a wonderful expedition type video! Please do more of these if you can, I really enjoy them! Stay healthy and well! Nicholas L
I agree. It was nice to see the watches in the wild…knocks an all
The USS New Jersey is a great one to check out. I think I spent most of a day there, myself. Really a lot to see, explore, and learn. Plus, great places to eat in that neck of the woods! My dad and I headed out to get sandwiches after a rainy day on the ship. Still one of my fondest memories, almost 20 years later. Excellent video - I'm Team Tudor on this one. An understated classic.
There was a time when I lusted after a Bluesy as no other. I had a chance to buy one on my honeymoon in Antigua in 1990 but it was nearly $2,000….and I’d just paid for a wedding, honeymoon etc. Anyway, I’m so over Rolex now, the insanity around grey market prices makes me appreciate the value to be had in much better watches and much better prices.
Apart from educational value, the quality of your videos is just stunning ! I just want to say that your channel have inspired me to explore so many new things, watch movies and read books that otherwise I would never know about. Keep up the great work, najlepszego !! ( Polish for all the best )
What do you think of the Stuhrling watch brand? Do you like it or no?
One of your best…you and Oisin (Timeless Watch Channel) have, ( by far) the most creative videos!!!!
I haven't watched one of your videos in ages TGV, its good to be back!! I love the blue dial Sub, but I agree for every day wear the Tudor Sub is a much better choice. A little fun fact about the USS New Jersey. In the late 90's it was docked here in Bremerton WA (my hometown) at the navel ship yard. It left on September 11, 1999. My dad and my grandfather took me to the beach to watch the USS New Jersey leave Bremerton. I was 8 years old at the time and I loved it as any 8 year old would.
Hi TGV. Another interesting video. I do like your ‘field shoots’ very much. Breaks up the studio shoots for something different. I do hope the destroyer was ok after you banged it with your Tudor! 👍
Omg that bluesy is a dream. Absolutely mesmerising thing. One day.
Good choice, the Tudor 79090 is a timeless classic. It's the case design and size which is perfect IMO.
Entirety personal choice but I am not a fan of the two tone. Tudor wins every time for me.
TGV, I just noticed that are left palm lines are the same! Crazy! Great video! Love the Tudor!
audio is perfect as always. I kinda got burnt out of Subs (homages) for now. As I sow your gold Day-Date my eyes just opened up way more then those Subs could ever open them.. :D I also watch 5th season of Sopranos now.. Tony was perfect one watch guy. With a gold watch.. As to answer - Tudor. It just has more character in my opinion..
Prefer the Tudor but the star of this video is the production and presentation of the content. Superb as always TGV.
I have the new Tudor Blackbay .. and I gotta say I didn’t expect too like it as much as I do .. and it’s a keeper. Hell, they can bury me with it too.
I honestly think you should keep you Tudor. All the "negatives" that you stated about the watch is what's so charming about the watch. The plexi glass, the aluminum bezel that will change color over time, the affordable ETA movement, are all good, especially for a handsome tool watch. You and your Tudor is what inspired me to get a Red submariner inspired, Steinhart ocean red watch, and I'm enjoying the hell out of it.
Good choice sticking with the Tudor and great relaxing vibe on your channel 👍
You should just add the bluesy keep your Tudor and add the bluesy that’s what I would’ve done.
Where there’s a will there’s a way. 😃
Great choice! Since discovering this channel few years ago I've been searching for Tudors. At the end, I bought a little oyster prince and a Black Bay 58. They both make a perfect unpretentious two-watch collection to me! Maybe I should start looking at other brands now!
That blue-gold one (4:33) looks a bit too blingy for my taste. But the gold-ish dial Tudor (10:16) looks really cool :)
Man I felt that at about 19:50.... Great recovery though. Awesome video as always. Cheers!
Having been there since high school. Time to revisit now with my son.
Great video TGV! I hope you will do more of these in the future, i love seeing you walking around places and restaurants while taking about watches.
Although I review watches and have a lot of in-depth knowledge I still always learn something from you TGV thanks!
I don’t get the practical hate on date windows for diving/exploring... if u are exploring or diving on an expedition/research as a professional... on a time before cellphones, having the date was probably useful to keep track of progress etc.
The Tudor seems so much more wearable, usable - a most important quality in a great watch. And tragically (and quite ironically, and heretical in thought), the Rolex looks like an Invicta.
I would prefer the Tudor maybe because I own an amphibia
Hey TGV, great video! I’ve decided that for a first luxury watch (and probably only lol) I’m goin to save up for a Tudor Black Bay 58 for a couple months. Very excited!
Phenomenal video as always TGV and a video wonderful look around a historic warship and an equally historic (in horological terms anyway) pair of watches 👏👏👏👏
Fantastic review TGV, I loved 🥰 the way you covered the history of both watches while visiting the Navy ship, your way of producing content never gets old and no one does it better in the watch community my friend 🤩♥️👍🥰🤜
Great video TGV. Battleships are awesome. Stop by the USS Midway if you're ever in San Diego. A watch for the tour and a watch for the lunch. Doesn't get any better than that. Ciao for now.
Yacht Master 40 def, but don’t wait to long they are sleepers that are waking up. Prices have gone up 30% in 4 months on them, my ym 40 platinum dial is the most underrated and I believe the most beautiful Rolex till date. Enjoy,Jeff.
Great vid TGV, I love your rationale for choosing the 79090. Couldn’t agree more. Fairly new to watches and thought I’d want / deserve a Rolex for my 50th birthday present to self, but I don’t think I’m really a Rolex guy 😂. Off to the online shops to keep an eye out for a TDR. Hope your enthusiasm has rocketed the prices too high!!
If any intrepid viewers like I share an interest in both watches and naval history, I’d highly recommend they check out the New Jersey’s RUclips channel. Excellent content from a team of scholars on the ship.
The perfect sub is the Tudor BB58 😆 . The battleship NJ is very cool. Quite some time ago i think in 2003 maybe, i was in the boy scouts and we spent the night on the battle ship NJ. We slept in the cots that the sailors slept in and it was pretty cool. That boats been through alot and has seen quite a bit of conflict and some sailors have lost their lives on that boat. Something everyone should check out if your in the area.
You chose wisely. The Yachtmaster is a stunner.
Great vid and, absolutely, prefer the Tudor to the Rolex. And so loved seeing you touring the USS New Jersey... including my own work station while aboard her: Combat Engagement Center (16:03). Did you know this was designed to emulate the Bridge of the USS Enterprise on Star Trek? True story! As told in "The Making of Star Trek", the Joint Chiefs of Staff from the Pentagon visited the original series set and used this to help develop the model on which all naval ships' combat centers are based. As always, great work and looking forward to more great content.
AWESOME VIDEO !! Totally love it when you’re out and about. I had never seen the inside of a battleship. FASTEST 26 min of my life.Please do more vids like this one and the Fortis. THANKS TGV. SEIKO IS KING !!!
Glad to hear that you're keeping the Tudor.
I think you know how to enjoy all the small things of the moment like every gentleman should do: you seem to really value the view, the food and the talking with random people, creating connection. For that I see you as am example. Changing subject, I still don't have the experience of owning a real sub but I feel quite confident wearing my "Orient Sub rip off" or homage, for a better word.
Hey TGV what lavalier model is that? I've been thinking of getting 3 for the studio since I've been recording a lot talk shows this year. Btw the Tudor looks amazing and the Rolex is over the top lol. I saw a Tudor Blackbay a couple weeks ago while on a trip and what can I say, can't go wrong with a Tudor.
I am a big fan of the Tudor Submariner. A true classic and a keeper!
Would love to see a top 10 or 20 submariners of all time video, nice work as always 👍
I can imagine all the work that goes in a video like this, but my lord this is amusing to watch! Amazing, thank you a lot.
Seeing the two tone is marked “sold” I’m guessing the decision has been made. Also, since you’re more of a 5 star accommodations kind of guy, the Rolex Sub is the choice hands down haha
i really like tudor but i don't much care for their current shield logo. personal pet peeve, i know. great video tgv. showing the more detailed facets to the submariner line than just "oh another rolex sub."
Great Vid Tristano. Although I understand the disadvanatges of such a blingy thing I still wish I owned the steel/gold 36mm Datejust with the the blue dial, the smooth bezel and the oyster strap from the 90ties.Don´t remember the exact spec.no. I can´t help it but I want the thing !
I didn't realise Tudor had a friction bezel that late, just like an Amphibia 😁