great material as always. But god, do i hope Shi Zhiyong goes to the olympics... he's definitely my favorite Chinese lifter, his attitude, his power cleans during the competition. he has to be there
I think Huan Hua,Li Dayin and Li Fabin are going (Tian Tao isn’t putting nearly enough effort to go,and Shi potentially won’t prove himself in Thailand)
An important factor impacting Shi Zhiyong (69kg/73kg lifter) is his age (30yrs) after almost 10 years of competitive lifting, so rest has become increasingly more important to him. It's not about trying to maintain a streak particularly when he's been recovering from injury. Rahmat is 23 and competes as a 73/81kg lifter. His progression from 151->158kg (snatch) and 192->202kg (c&j) as a 73kg lifter in one year is quite interesting. They are both at very different stages in their careers. Comparing the two lifters Shi vs Rahmat at 73kg: Best snatch: 169kg vs 159kg Best c&j:198kg vs 204kg (73kg) / 209kg (81kg) Best total: 364kg vs 363kg (73kg) / 362kg (81kg) Considering Shi's record and the recently imposed limitation on the number of lifters in Olympics weightlifting, I think Shi has done enough as one of the world's greatest weightlifters in history and champion lifter in 2 different weight categories (2 Olympic gold medals, 3 world championships). He was so dominant at the height of his career that no one could even come close and he got bored. EDITED: Rahmat numbers corrected for 2024 (his 209kg was when he was 81kg).
I agree he’s been one of the world’s greatest but I’ll bet his ego needs a little more stroking by gaining a third gold especially sine teammate Liu Xiaojun got his third. He would be the sixth to do so.
One of the worst inequities of the current system is that one of the two great Indonesians won’t be at Paris. Even if Shi is back to his former level I would still consider him an underdog to Rahmat. Rahmat has brought his snatch up in recent months and I’m convinced he can go beyond the 204 record of his. Remember he did 209 and cleaned 214 as a very light 81 lifter. Seb I really like what you’re doing with this project; summary and analysis of Olympic classes every couple days. Looks like it will stretch out right to the start of World Cup.
Не надо путать фунты и килограммы! 204 кг, а не фунта. И надо помнить, что Ши Дзиюн в рывке поднимал 169кг! И толкал 199.Индонезиец Рахмат пока в рывке далёк от этого!
Shi's dominance over Rahmat and everybody in the snatch is an indication of his control, power and agility that clearly had room for more. He cleared a 205kg c&j during practice, ruclips.net/user/shortsg8BKKWLT0K4?embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fbarbend.com%2Fshi-zhiyong-205kg-clean-jerk%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo
@@Zarko15 If that is the case then why doesn't the USA have any lifters winning on the men's side and few medals on the women's side since the 1950's? The system is for money. More athletes from more regions means more money. Been this way for a long time.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out. This will be my first time of seeing lifters attempting to place to go to the Olympics. I've been enjoying watching this whole process though.
@@AdStellae- no but he still competed as we hadn’t seen him compete at any of the Olympic qualifiers prior to that, World Cup in Thailand is his last chance to prove himself so hopefully he’s in better condition in regards to his injury
i hope Rahmat up to 81 kg and Rizky get allow go to Olympic in 73 kg, But in 81 kg Rahmat had new hardest competitor from North Korea, but if he stay in 73 kg he will get guarantee Gold in Olympic, but if he want to push real challenge he will up to 81 kg and againts North Korea lifter.. hard decision, but hope all the best for both Rahmat and Rizky
If China want guarenteed Silver at least ,ShiZhiYong would be picked .But if they want risk Gold or Nothing maybe 89kg would be LiDayin or Tian Tao .102 and 61 pretty much Gold
102 is not a guaranteed gold lol, Akbar and Meso both are strong contenders. That said, China will still send Liu because he's got a better chance of medalling than either of the -89s
@@hookgrip4jesus310 correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Tsikhantsou, in the most recent Europeans relatively easily cleaned 224 or 225. He couldn’t get the jerk, but I think that would have put his rank at #1. I think that dude has a really good chance of winning. So yeah China definitely not guaranteed a gold in 102. Very tight competition
@@hookgrip4jesus310maybe not guaranteed but based on his latest performance vs the latest performances from his rivals, it’s almost guaranteed. he went 185/233/418 at the asian games (competed as a 109 but still weighed in at -102). meanwhile akbar and meso’s latest performances as 102s are barely surpassing karlos nasar and li dayin’s bests. of course they could still be holding out and could put on something crazy in thailand or maybe even just be saving their best for the olympics. we’ll just have to see, but liu seems like a pretty sure gold
@@hookgrip4jesus310 I’m super excited to see what he does. He’s so gosh darn strong. In Europeans he made every lift look like it was warm ups still. He’s not the best technically, but I’d say his lifts still look nice and his strength is incredible. If what the other guy said is true about 418 I’d like to see Tsikhantsou at least get up over 222 on the C&J and have well over 400 total and take silver.
Crazy that a few 73s totals would actually be decent competition for a lot of the 102s. At least at international competitions. Rhamats best total would put him in 7th for the most recent Europeans in the 102s.
Seb as much as I admire Lasha and all his achievements he is not undefeated. He went to worlds very young 17/18 in 2010/2011 and finished well back. Also Gor beat him in a Junior comp in same time frame. If you want to say Lasha is undefeated since he came back from suspension in 2015 and became LASHA!! Say that. Ilya Illyin was legitimately undefeated for a long time because he actually won at 17 2005 Worlds.
Yes you are right! I tend see Lasha as having had two careers and then accidentally disregard the first. One where he was relatively indistinguishable from the rest and one where he was the GOAT.
@@clintiacuone1703 Honestly overall, there is a decent chance we only see one Chinese male lifter get gold at Paris (the 61kg lifters Li Fabin or maybe Chen Lijun). Outside of Shi in the 73's. Karlos Nasar trails Li Dayin by only a kilo and looks like he can put up a 400kg total. Gigachad has competition from Akbar Djuraev, Meso Hassona, and maybe even Lesman Peredes (depending on the shape Lesman is in we haven't seen him compete in 18 months). As for the women's it will be a massive surprise if a non-Chinese lifter can out-total a Chinese lifter.
Rizky break world record at age 20, Rahmat break world record at age 20, time will tell both this guy will broke his own record more and more later, shi already game over and no chance for him to beat this 2 guy..
Although I'm sure most of us don't want to cheer for that specific country, we certainly would cheer for the athlete(s) because they put on a darn good performance
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great material as always. But god, do i hope Shi Zhiyong goes to the olympics...
he's definitely my favorite Chinese lifter, his attitude, his power cleans during the competition. he has to be there
I think Huan Hua,Li Dayin and Li Fabin are going (Tian Tao isn’t putting nearly enough effort to go,and Shi potentially won’t prove himself in Thailand)
An important factor impacting Shi Zhiyong (69kg/73kg lifter) is his age (30yrs) after almost 10 years of competitive lifting, so rest has become increasingly more important to him. It's not about trying to maintain a streak particularly when he's been recovering from injury. Rahmat is 23 and competes as a 73/81kg lifter. His progression from 151->158kg (snatch) and 192->202kg (c&j) as a 73kg lifter in one year is quite interesting. They are both at very different stages in their careers.
Comparing the two lifters Shi vs Rahmat at 73kg:
Best snatch: 169kg vs 159kg
Best c&j:198kg vs 204kg (73kg) / 209kg (81kg)
Best total: 364kg vs 363kg (73kg) / 362kg (81kg)
Considering Shi's record and the recently imposed limitation on the number of lifters in Olympics weightlifting, I think Shi has done enough as one of the world's greatest weightlifters in history and champion lifter in 2 different weight categories (2 Olympic gold medals, 3 world championships). He was so dominant at the height of his career that no one could even come close and he got bored.
EDITED: Rahmat numbers corrected for 2024 (his 209kg was when he was 81kg).
I agree he’s been one of the world’s greatest but I’ll bet his ego needs a little more stroking by gaining a third gold especially sine teammate Liu Xiaojun got his third. He would be the sixth to do so.
Correction: Rahmat's best as a 73:
Snatch: 159
Total: 363
@@johndoherty-hh2ck He actually doesn't need it, but if he insist on qualifying for the Olympics then there's no stopping him from trying.
Its time to new generation bro..
Stupid rule about limited athletes form one country. Why not take into account the different weight cstegories?
Restricting athletes along with having less weight classes is part of the punishment for rampant steroid use
@@Vgallizziso instead of fix the problem of steriod usage they are going to serve out an indirect punishment that does not directly address the issue?
A gift to the sport and the world this channel is
One of the worst inequities of the current system is that one of the two great Indonesians won’t be at Paris. Even if Shi is back to his former level I would still consider him an underdog to Rahmat. Rahmat has brought his snatch up in recent months and I’m convinced he can go beyond the 204 record of his. Remember he did 209 and cleaned 214 as a very light 81 lifter. Seb I really like what you’re doing with this project; summary and analysis of Olympic classes every couple days. Looks like it will stretch out right to the start of World Cup.
Не надо путать фунты и килограммы! 204 кг, а не фунта. И надо помнить, что Ши Дзиюн в рывке поднимал 169кг! И толкал 199.Индонезиец Рахмат пока в рывке далёк от этого!
The system is rigged and politics is destroying it's integrity. U don't see this in other sports it's weird as fuck
This system is basically made to push Usa athletes in top competitions
Shi's dominance over Rahmat and everybody in the snatch is an indication of his control, power and agility that clearly had room for more. He cleared a 205kg c&j during practice,
ruclips.net/user/shortsg8BKKWLT0K4?embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fbarbend.com%2Fshi-zhiyong-205kg-clean-jerk%2F&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo
@@Zarko15 If that is the case then why doesn't the USA have any lifters winning on the men's side and few medals on the women's side since the 1950's?
The system is for money. More athletes from more regions means more money. Been this way for a long time.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this plays out. This will be my first time of seeing lifters attempting to place to go to the Olympics. I've been enjoying watching this whole process though.
It'll be an incredible year for the sport.
This categoría is 🔥
I'm a fan of both, would be an instant classic if they match up
Shi zhiyong PB has 206 clean and jerk. I think Shi zhiyong's snatch record will be never break for a while.
Shi’s best international jerk is 197 so that 206 doesn’t mean all that much.
206 C&J?? In which category? Because his national record is "only" 199 kg (23 October 2020 National Championships Quzhou, China)
ruclips.net/video/y3k-7MuTvGk/видео.htmlsi=jQ1QQF7OoJp9hNF1@@tibor640
Too hope.. 😂😂
😂😂😂@@alipumi686
Yes he can, next question
Shi hasn't competed since the Chinese test event when he was injured no? Not because the opponents suddenly got better.
🦾🦾🦾
Exactly
He competed in the Qatar cup in December
@@clintiacuone1703 Would you say he was injury free then?
@@AdStellae- no but he still competed as we hadn’t seen him compete at any of the Olympic qualifiers prior to that, World Cup in Thailand is his last chance to prove himself so hopefully he’s in better condition in regards to his injury
Shi must have an ace up his sleeves
I just wish I could watch Rahmat compete in the A session.
Forgot about Andreev, he’s snatched 155 at the last comp and recently hit 200 at a local comp, probably overweight but it’s not nothing
Get this, he weighed 79kg! That's an insane out of competition weight 😂
@@WeightliftingHouse agreed
@@WeightliftingHousehahaa 😂
Would be a shame if we don't get to hear the AAAAAAAAYYYH EEEEEEEHHH in Paris
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Top 15 Ranking
1. Abdullah (INA) 363kg
2. Wichuma (THA) 349kg
3. Andreev (BUL) 348kg
4. Miyamoto (JPN) 344kg
5. Suharevs (LAT) 341kg
6. Bak (KOR) 340kg
7. Shi (CHN) 340kg
8. Mosquera Lozano (COL) 337kg
9. Ozbek (TUR) 336kg
10. Sanchez Lopez (ESP) 335kg
11. Zanni (ITA) 335kg
12. Mayora Perna (VEN) 333kg
13. Ben Hnia (TUN) 332kg
14. Andriatsitohaina (MDA) 331kg
15. Yokubov (UZB) 330kg
Where rizky juniansah ?
@@alipumi686 He’s unranked due to being #2 in his country
i hope Rahmat up to 81 kg and Rizky get allow go to Olympic in 73 kg, But in 81 kg Rahmat had new hardest competitor from North Korea, but if he stay in 73 kg he will get guarantee Gold in Olympic, but if he want to push real challenge he will up to 81 kg and againts North Korea lifter.. hard decision, but hope all the best for both Rahmat and Rizky
@@putratotti 81kg is not an Olympic category, so he won’t move up
@@nelsonhernandez7030 really? oh my bad!!! thanks for info bro
If China want guarenteed Silver at least ,ShiZhiYong would be picked .But if they want risk Gold or Nothing maybe 89kg would be LiDayin or Tian Tao .102 and 61 pretty much Gold
102 is not a guaranteed gold lol, Akbar and Meso both are strong contenders. That said, China will still send Liu because he's got a better chance of medalling than either of the -89s
@@hookgrip4jesus310 correct me if I’m wrong, but I think Tsikhantsou, in the most recent Europeans relatively easily cleaned 224 or 225. He couldn’t get the jerk, but I think that would have put his rank at #1. I think that dude has a really good chance of winning. So yeah China definitely not guaranteed a gold in 102. Very tight competition
@patricklang7162 I totally forgot Tsikhantsou was competing at -109 haha, I love his lifting
@@hookgrip4jesus310maybe not guaranteed but based on his latest performance vs the latest performances from his rivals, it’s almost guaranteed. he went 185/233/418 at the asian games (competed as a 109 but still weighed in at -102). meanwhile akbar and meso’s latest performances as 102s are barely surpassing karlos nasar and li dayin’s bests. of course they could still be holding out and could put on something crazy in thailand or maybe even just be saving their best for the olympics. we’ll just have to see, but liu seems like a pretty sure gold
@@hookgrip4jesus310 I’m super excited to see what he does. He’s so gosh darn strong. In Europeans he made every lift look like it was warm ups still. He’s not the best technically, but I’d say his lifts still look nice and his strength is incredible. If what the other guy said is true about 418 I’d like to see Tsikhantsou at least get up over 222 on the C&J and have well over 400 total and take silver.
Crazy that a few 73s totals would actually be decent competition for a lot of the 102s. At least at international competitions. Rhamats best total would put him in 7th for the most recent Europeans in the 102s.
What is the background music towards the end?
My glorious king Liao Hui would not have let this slide.
Seb as much as I admire Lasha and all his achievements he is not undefeated. He went to worlds very young 17/18 in 2010/2011 and finished well back. Also Gor beat him in a Junior comp in same time frame. If you want to say Lasha is undefeated since he came back from suspension in 2015 and became LASHA!! Say that. Ilya Illyin was legitimately undefeated for a long time because he actually won at 17 2005 Worlds.
Yes you are right! I tend see Lasha as having had two careers and then accidentally disregard the first. One where he was relatively indistinguishable from the rest and one where he was the GOAT.
I lift at cadens gym! He is training very hard to get his spot!
Olympics is so dumb, preventing athletes like Rizki from competing. SO lame.
China has big challenge seeing gold this Olympics.
Do you mean overall or just in the 73kg class IF they send shi?!
@@clintiacuone1703 Honestly overall, there is a decent chance we only see one Chinese male lifter get gold at Paris (the 61kg lifters Li Fabin or maybe Chen Lijun). Outside of Shi in the 73's. Karlos Nasar trails Li Dayin by only a kilo and looks like he can put up a 400kg total. Gigachad has competition from Akbar Djuraev, Meso Hassona, and maybe even Lesman Peredes (depending on the shape Lesman is in we haven't seen him compete in 18 months).
As for the women's it will be a massive surprise if a non-Chinese lifter can out-total a Chinese lifter.
Will Lee Sang-yeon compete at 73 in Thailand? He looks good for 150/190 and could also push for an olympic spot
not sure for 150 snatch, but 190 c&j is certainly there for him
Updated start list has him 73 A class as of 29/03/24
Imagine he suddenly power cleans 205 😭 but then again this wont happen so i dont see him beating the kid prodigy
Knp kls 81 tdk ada, kami kehilangan salah satu lifter terbaik dunia,,rahmat...😢
Where is mayora..
Ryongsang. Mayora bombed at Pan Ams. He’d be in top 10 if he’d made just one cl&jk. 337 I think. Anyhow he’s got to get busy in Thailand 336 or more.
indonesia boys wont snatch more than 160-162kg, so if Shi can make 170 and 200 in c/j, its a gold...but can he? :)
Bla.. bla.. bla.. its time to new generation
I think rahmat did 200 kg in training
Shi #2 this time around heh
Shi at 100% is unbeatable! Not even rahmat ~~~
Rahmat and rizky still young... Shi 30 😂😂
Rizky break world record at age 20, Rahmat break world record at age 20, time will tell both this guy will broke his own record more and more later, shi already game over and no chance for him to beat this 2 guy..
Although I'm sure most of us don't want to cheer for that specific country, we certainly would cheer for the athlete(s) because they put on a darn good performance
Which country? The US? 😂
Yeah which country and why?
Don't be stupid
@@timcai8231 what is this guy
Talking about?
I don't think he knows@@patricklang7162
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