“i Believe I Was Right Sir!” - A Few Good Men (1992) Tom Cruise, Jack Nicholson
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When cocky military lawyer Lt. Daniel Kaffee and his co-counsel, Lt. Cmdr. JoAnne Galloway, are assigned to a murder case, they uncover a hazing ritual that could implicate high-ranking officials such as shady Col. Nathan Jessep.
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3:02 "Do you think we were right?"
"Santiago is dead. No, I don't think you were right. And if you take that Code of yours at all seriously, then you don't think you were right, either."
The unsung hero's in the movie. The soldiers, they did a damn fine job with their acting.
I am a Marine and we debated this before I joined in school. I felt they were right. Been out 20+ years and feel they are morons.
Yep. The court's ruling wasn't shocking.
But if they followed that reasoning and did what Kaffee told them to do here, then they would never have had their day in court and Colonel Jessep would have gotten away with what he did.
They're just actors in an average and overlong movie. I'll at least give credit to the scriptwriters, however, for not attempting to pair them romantically. Oh, wait...were you talking about the Marines? Same difference 😁
@@imcallingjapan2178 They still beat a man to death because of jarhead machismo and active duty mental conditioning. Nothing about ANYTHING that happened in that situation was good.
And considering the kind of meat grinder of a routine they put most Marines through, the fact that they are dishonorably discharged is going to royally fuck them over. That means zero VA benefits, period. And I work for the VA claims division, helping veterans file their claims with the federal VA. And man, the amount of injuries Marines pile up in a FRACTION of the service time other branches do? They can EASILY rack up enough disabilities (physical and mental) to hit 100% within just 2-4 years of service. But they won't get shit from the VA with a dishonorable discharge. So they are fucked. Which frankly, I'm fine with, what they did was horrible.
@@small_ed”average and overlong” okay buddy
“You’re such a coward.”
Ah yes, because wanting to throw your life away fighting a completely lost case where everyone knows you’re guilty, is definitely bravery and not just stupidity.
uh, he (Dawson) wasn't guilty (and he wasn't stupid)
and he was looking for someone as brave as he was to help defend him.
(btw, the line is "you're such a coward")
@@jameskirk2032 uh, it’s established in the film and based on real life legal code that both defendants are quite guilty of manslaughter. They physically assaulted a colleague which resulted in him unfortunately passing. Thats quite literally what manslaughter is.
He was looking for a trial defense for a case in which he had no merit on his end, and therefore no business contesting, whatsoever. It doesn’t matter if he thinks he’s right, he’s still objectively guilty of following a nefarious order which proceeded to end in the worst way possible. The US military has a doctrine explicitly against following unlawful orders for situations just like this, so that everyone is held accountable and can’t use their command as an excuse.
The plea bargain is incredibly generous and more than fair considering this. He and Galloway stubbornly refusing to accept it is nothing more than spiteful ignorance for the sake of the plot. Because a movie has to happen. There’s a word for that, it’s called contrivance.
This movie’s plot is absurdly overrated and doesn’t even know how to follow its own fabricated tenants let alone the actual law of the UCMJ.
@@jameskirk2032 He was guilty, on one of the counts. He and Downey get dishonorably discharged, and if not for an incredibly astute but longshot strategy of trying to get Jessup to incriminate himself, which worked, they would have been in prison forever.
"You know nothing about the law, you're a used car salesman" but also you're the only lawyer that can save them
chick manipulation tactic 101
@@AlexanderNixonArtHistory the fuck does it being a woman saying that have anything to do with it?
Putting women opposite of Cruise has been the formula since forever. This wasn’t about making some classic gender role stereotype.
And in general, her point is that he’s really good about technicalities but doesn’t believe in the ability of getting justice from executing it correctly.
So, he may as well be a used car salesman, because he doesn’t really believe in the product he sells, he just wants to get it off of the lot.
@@jrodri14ii she uses shaming tactics.
@@jrodri14ii watch your language.
Both things were true
Amazing when you consider the guy who played Dawson was a location coordinator and not really an actor at the time.
He really wasn't. You're a sad person.
his screen presence is pretty amazing
He also played a villain in the Highlander series. 1 episode but it was mememorable. I believe the episode was called Brother in Arms
The plea IS them accepting responsibility for what they did. His "honor" was him refusing to own up to what he did himself and leaving it to others to decide for him. Accepting the plea would mean he had to admit, to himself more than anyone else, that what they did was wrong no matter what their orders were. This was WELL after the Nuremberg trials and well after the Befehlsnotstand defense was disproven; Not that it ever applied (to my knowledge) to the US Military. So, I was just following orders when I attacked and accidentally murdered my brother in arms, IS involuntary manslaughter AT BEST! The fact that he won't acknowledge that here shows how his character has no honor.
The thing is he was ordered to do it, and taking the plea would imply that it was just something they did for kicks. The way it played out was perfect- they get reminded of how they failed their expectations, but also everyone else who was responsible up the chain got theirs.
Right, and this is intended by the film. It's amazing how many people miss it. The redemption at the end where he acknowledges what he did and accepts his ruling is meaningless without his oblivious refusal to accept a plea in this scene.
Two seconds on demi Moore while she says “No” and her eyes show she is so proud of the soldier and turns to utter confounder, bewilderment and shock at being accused by Tom’s character of something she didn’t do. All in her eyes. All in two seconds or less. Demi Moore is an outstanding actress.
Confounder?
@markfax
Noun form of “confound” if I am not mistaken.
Brilliant observation. Thank you.
she's hot. i've often dreamed of making pottery with her.
Can't remember who said it but I still love the sentiment: "Demi Moore always looks like she's about to cry - that's her whole thing. She's made a career out of having glaucoma."
They absolutely should have taken the plea deal! Charged with murder, actually did what was charged (but without intent to kill) and then lied about it (lied about whether their LT gave the order personally to both of them) ...also the victim died ... and you're offered a deal to serve 6 months? Take that deal!!! Plus the hockey season they would have missed was 1992-93 which wasn't that great unless you're a Montreal Canadiens fan, which I'm guessing they aren't.
Dammit, now I have to re-watch this movie.
Caffee is absolutely right and she is absolutely wrong.
Great movie, FANTASTIC performances all around. I have one small issue with this clip though. I find it hard to believe Lt Kaffee needed to ask how to get new counsel assigned.
Arguably the best screenplay ever written
Agreed. It's so effin good! I've seen it at least a dozen times and it never gets old.
Nah some miscalculations such as Downey on the stand
Its a good movie, but its so dumb that they pretend that Guantanamo bay was so dangerous. They're so dramatic about it. They don't have incidents at Guantanamo Bay, Cubans are chill. They torture people there. They talk about honour, but the place is designed to torture people.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp#:~:text=The%20three%20alleged%20ongoing%20torture,U.S.%20forces%20at%20Guant%C3%A1namo%20Bay.
It is?
Written by a commie hating military fag
"It doesn't matter what I believe, it only matters what I can prove"
I sure have heard a variation of that in a later movie.
It doesn't matter what you know, it matters what you can prove! - Denzel in Training Day
@@j_m_b_1914 Or in Beverly Hills Cop: "Forget about what you can prove. Talk to me." -Bogomil to Axel Foley. That's when you knew Bogomil was a good cop.
I think he wore that jacket in "All The Right Moves"
Risky Business
Even though Cruise has demonstrated everything to the contrary up to that point, Moore continues with, "you know how to win" but finishes with "you're nothing". 😂
Both are true. She's saying he has the talent to get these two an acquittal, but he's incapable of it because he's an insecure, short-sighted loser.
The hands in the pockets as he walks out is the biggest f u he could get.
I thought you weren't supposed to salute indoors?
@@j_m_b_1914 Caffey is not in uniform. You wouldn't salute him. But you're right. Sailors (and Marines) do not salute indoors as being "uncovered" is not full uniform. I think the Air Force salutes uncovered officers ... or it used to, at any rate. But Justin is right, too. Hands in the pockets is totally unsat.
Great scene! 😊
Man...........Tom Cruise was so amazing before he had a cult telling him he's space Jesus or w/e.
His only good performance is in Rain Man. He plays "Tom Cruise" in everything else. He played Tom Cruise in Rain Man too, it just happened that his character in that film WAS Tom Cruise, a smarmy fuckface. I'll give him a shout out for his role as Les Grossman in Tropic Thunder though, one film where he wasn't playing Tom Cruise.
Just one man's opinion of course :)
These two essentially bullied a weaker peer by tying him up and stuffing a rag down his throat. If they believe what they did was right, they really should've gone to prison where other people will be saved from their distorted morality.
correct. Physically torturing your colleague at work is a no-no last time I went by HR and asked.
@@AlexanderNixonArtHistory It is a different story when you are part of a military unit over in Guantanamo Bay Cuba.
@@agent_mc you are absolutely right; would you want to be in Santiago's shoes?
@@agent_mc You saying that being part of the military justifies your peers tying you up and stuffing a rag down your throat for being weaker?
@@cw9282 Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Lt. Biden? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know; that Santiago's death, while tragic, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, *saves lives*. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a *damn* what you think you are entitled to!
What Navy is Caffey in where they salute officers who are not in uniform?
You salute the rank not the man
They all did railroad Daniel into that courtroom, and if he had failed with Jessup, he would have been in prison.
I'm no Marine so take what I say here with a grain of salt and if any Marines want to chime in and tell me I'm wrong I will defer to them and concede the argument. But the fact these guys think they are still Marines and still have Honor after what they did baffles me. I've known people who served as Marines, they would never obey an order to brutilize and torture a comrade for the mere crime of being substandard. They would have known it was wrong, that it was their duty to refuse, and to tell their superior "I'm sorry sir, i can't to that" and if their superior wanted to have them court marshaled for disobeying orders then THAT can be what they stand trial for with a sense of Honor. I don't see a jury finding them guilty for refusing to inflict unnecessary harm against a fellow American who committed no crime, that's USSR shit.
I thought the same thing. Even if they didn’t mean to kill him, they bullied that man on orders that they could have freely ignored. That’s not following a “code”. It’s doing something awful because you’re too much of a coward to say “no sir”.
I wasn't a Marine but I was US Army Combat Arms. I'm going to use the same argument that I made in a university class after I left active duty. I took an International Politics course in my second semester circa 1994. Another student made an argument that the Soviet soldiers that shot people people jumping the Berlin Wall to escape East Germany should be tried for murder. Those 18-20 year old soldiers from a totalitarian regime were following orders. That changes the calculus. It's one thing to hang the officers that gave the orders. It's completely different for those young soldiers. These are young men who've surrendered themselves to an idea that supersedes our civilian morality.
BTW...the code red wasn't intended to kill Santiago. It was an accident. So there's that too. Col. Jessup had an additional responsibility to not put troops in that situation in the first place. That's why he is profoundly responsible. It's based on a true story. You can find it in Wikipedia.
I am a former Marine so I can speak on yall's conversation (which i think is a great subject to debate). First of all, I absolutely LOVED this movie. I also read the book and you literally can't put it down.
This movie shows the difference between the branches of service. No disrespect to any service member but an Army soldier, Navy sailor or Air Force airmen more than likely would've never followed these orders. BUT most Marines would have. Marine Corps boot camp is not just to train and get in shape and learn how to shoot weapons, it's purpose is to tear you down and build you back up the "Marine Corps Way". That's why Marine Corps boot camp is the only boot camp that there are no off days. Every day in boot camp is a training day. Our boot camp is by far the hardest (mentally & physically) and most grueling training experience in the military (outside of special forces....Seals, Rangers, Force Recon, Green Berets, etc). Marine Corps drill instructors tear you down and beat you down mentally ever hour of every day during 1st phase. You're the lowest piece of sh!t ever put on this earth. By 2nd phase they've weeded out the "weak ones" and that's when they start to build you back up and teaching you how to be a Marine. That's when you start "drinking the kool aid" and striving to be the perfect Marine. By 3rd phase you're locked & cocked and basically ready to follow any order given to you, no matter how hard or difficult it may seem.
You also have to take into consideration that these were 18, 19 year old kids that had probably never been in the world before and still lived under mommy and daddy's thumb so they were basically a robot that just followed orders. The honor they had was in carrying out the order. From the outside looking in you will never understand.
@@cwilliams7908 Worked great on William Santiago...
@@cwilliams7908 I don't think YOU understand. What was laid out is that to be a member of our armed force worthy of respect, you HAVE TO be able to judge an order as immoral, no matter how you are trained. Otherwise, you disrespect the country you claim to serve. Their age, naivete, inexperience, etc... EXPLAINS but does not EXCUSE their behavior. There is a difference. You can understand why a man killed his wife. That does not excuse the behavior or make it tolerable. These men, and any others that would obey similar orders are not worthy to call themselves Americans. They disgrace themselves and stain our great nation with their weakness. In this country, we stand up to tyranny, not follow it.
You're a lawyer. And an Uber driver?
Why did Caffee expect them to salute him when he was out of uniform.
It's a dick measuring contest so all rules are out the window.
a) whether he or she is in uniform or not, you salute a superior officer in the Navy/Marine Corps in certain situations; b) This was not one of those situations. In the Navy/Marine Corps, you don't salute the superior officer when he or she is "leaving the room." Many occasions exist when Army and Air Force folks salute indoors. Not so much in the sea services. When stationed on an Army or Air Force base, sailors and marines follow some of the traditions of the host service.
@@mwduck Yes, Marines don't salute indoors unless "under arms" (Duty belt and cover on). That's the way we did it at least.
👮🏿♀️. One call. 🤹🏿🏩
my god Demi was stunning
You're nothing - live with that - Demi Moore laid Cruise bare with that one
What's wrong with used car salesmen?
recycling a perfectly good vehicle to someone who cant afford a new one but needs a car. I don't see anything wrong with that
Parasites
Nothing if the used car they are selling is in good shape and they aren't BSing you. The meme is more about the shady ones that sell you lemons (ie used cars that are shitcans and will fall apart on you shortly after leaving the lot).
It's like marrying a single mom. DON"T DO IT
@@135incorporated9 Don't be a cunt.
It was no defence at Nuremberg, none here.
Demi Moore ❤
They had no honor , they were bullies that got caught.
Either you didn’t see the movie or completely failed to understand it.
@@deeestuary LOL, nope , I agree with Dawson. They acted without honor. You must have forgotten about that part at the end.
Thanks for making your mistake obvious.
Jessup (Nicholson) & Kendricks (Sutherland) were the real bullies.
@@user-otzlixr actually they had honor, but that honor was misused by their superior officers who they had been trained to obey without question. At the time of the code red they truly believed they were acting honorable it was not until they seen a greater part of the military and how others in the military acted did they then truly understand what honor was. It was at that point it dawned on him that he should have protected the private from being hurt instead of hurting him that would have been the honorable thing to do. I also believe if he had a good CO this is how he would have turned out. Units are a direct reflection of their command structure.
@@malenurse1999 Nice try, that approach failed in Nuremberg…
Who do you know wants to buy a Volkswagen??
Unguided
Well this movie focused on those two accused instead of the murder victim so the ending was very unsatisfying I thought they got a dishonourable discharge but they really were guilty of manslaughter with their just following orders defense same thing all the Nazis said at Nuremberg too. It's important their superior that gave the order was also arrested but they were not innocent and Willy was still murdered just because he needed medical leave.
In their defense, they did not know of Santiago's underlying medical condition. They believed in an ideal which held all marines to a high standard. They believed that hazing a substandard marine was an appropriate tool, especially when ordered by a superior.
All militaries need disciplined and motivated soldiers to wage war effectively, and this is why the following-orders defense always pops up when accusing soldiers of acts of moral transgression. Should the plane crews that dropped the atomic bombs that incinerated Japanese children have been brought to trial? What about the plane crews that dropped fire bombs on Dresden? What of the illegal invasion of Iraq? Should all the soldiers who took part in that illegal war also be tried?
I'm not saying I have the answers. I'm just saying that there is always an inherent conflict between morality and waging war.
Getting dishonorably discharged would lead to a lot of trouble.
Trans admiral
Lawyers dont " KNOW THE LAW " They get paid to FIND THE LAW. And Mr. Cruise character isnt doing his job.
Who the fudge are you? Some kind of Lawyer yourself?
@@stuartemmanuel3735 YES. Why? Do you need one??
@@paulhowson8744Lol. Subtle, but effective reply.
Lawyers need a solid understanding of the law before they start fashioning an argument. While they may need to refine their arguments with case law, that's often the job of law clerks.
In the film, Danny, the lawyer, faces a dilemma with his client due to the conflict between principle and practicality. Danny has done his job by securing a relatively good deal: two years in jail in exchange for the client admitting guilt in causing someone's death. A practical person would take the deal. However, the client insists on holding onto his principles, even if it means risking life in prison.
@@alexh1524 Lawyers are paid to FIND THE Precedent set. . FOR THE CASE. The case for LAW in their particular field of practice. They FIND law. Police enforce Law, citizens are oblivious to law, and pop off at the mouth not knowing their basic rights. Q.E.D.: Shut up!! Lawyer up.
This is a cartoon
It’s supposed to be an exaggerated story. This is about the human condition and trying to navigate right and wrong inside of institutions that dehumanize you.
We want the movie version with the CORRECT ending -- Jessup rightly prevailing in court over the three twerp young lawyers, who end the film with themselves being arrested and charged with perjury.
Can you explain?
Except what Jessup did was wrong, and "accusing a senior officer" has no charge in the real world.
Go away, son.
Do you know what perjury is?
@@skoolbus I'm no lawyer, but "being uppity" with a hostile witness is not a crime at any level. The worst that could happen is Kaffee gets earmarked for being troublesome, and he's clearly already got something of a reputation for that already. Being argumentative is the worst he gets to, and that's hardly something to shy away from when you know your case has truth behind it.
The only ones at threat of Perjury are the ones under oath- the witnesses.
These Marines did nothing wrong. Colonel Jessup shouldn't have thrown them under the bus, the base doctor should've faced malpractice for misdiagnosis, and neither the elite nor the public and politicians they puppet should interfere with Marine Corps. affairs BUT...these Marines did nothing wrong. They followed their orders, punished a disloyal and substandard comrade, and stood together. They were honorable, because honor =/= nice or ethical, it transcends our petty good-evil dichotomies; collective punishment, hazing, and bullying are necessary methods and challenges to be used and overcome so the weak and uncommitted are sifted and only the strong remain to fight the battles we civilians cannot.
//...neither the elite nor the public and politicians they puppet should interfere with Marine Corps affairs...//
Wrong-o.
NO ideology, discipline or group is EVER above the law of the land.
Despite whatever procedures are pursued, Code Red or otherwise, NOTHING is above the law...you WILL ultimately be judged by your actions and the potential/real damage that they inflict.
Dawson was correct at the end: "We DID do something wrong...we were supposed to fight for people who can't fight for themselves...We were supposed to fight for Willy."
The Marines don't get free reign simply because they are an amazing fighting force...
@@toAdmiller
Cry me a river, legalist.
@@toAdmillerpoliticians and Billionaires are above the law in this world...
wake up from your Fisher-price world
@@carlostejada1479
Don't bother, Carlos; Mr. Miller here is clearly a believer in the gynocentric liberal democratic social order. I bet you he still believes that every vote counts and that the people are in power. That childish naivety is hard to break through; just let him go back to jerking it to his Lady Liberty poster.
@@carlostejada1479 Yes, so far Dump seems to get far better treatment than anyone else committing the same crimes which is blatantly worng...It just doesn't mean that Marines are above the law...