I should have ULTRA UNDERLINED to play in a 3 stack. Loot will rain from Bungie I’m telling you. That’s how the two players that were with me got their loot so fast. Use fireteam finder, Bungie app, whatever you can. It’s worth it if you just want the loot.
For people who use passage of persistence, will they be able to farm adept drops without resetting? My clanmates mostly play PVE but they all really want the summoner
@@sahilbajaj790 Don’t worry about, if they’re solo queuing they know what they’re in for. Don’t let the losing get to you and just play for the reputation. May be better to wait for a bonus rank weekend though. p.s. If you’re worried about being harassed, turn off messages from non-friends. Though I haven’t had that happen too often, so it’s not a big problem.
Can confirm Onslaught is flinching the fuck out of people. Got a heal clip onslaught my first drop last week and started winning 1v2s and 1v3s I had NO business even engaging in. I swear there were a few actual 1v2s (like both players engaging) where I’d kill one and the moment I switched to the second, I entirely stopped taking damage
I am COMPLETELY obsessed with Zen Moment on autos right now since it makes me feel like recoil direction doesn't matter. Gonna be chasing that max range adept roll with Zen Moment and Onslaught, but almost anything in the 4th column looks good haha
Ive been on that train for over a year with my gnawing Hunger, Zen Moment rampage and max Range. Nobody believed me how extremely OP Zen Moment on 600s is. IT Just cant miss
VERY important regarding the passage of persistence: You have to win your first two matches, or your card will become flawed and you won’t get any adepts once you get to 7 wins. I’ve also heard it’s still flawing them regardless at times after 5 wins. Not sure if it’s a bug or what, but I’m restarting my card today to try again.
@@Legoleflash It literally took me all day to get back to 7 wins (damn, fools in there were sweaty AF today!), but my adept drop was zen moment with a target lock/kill clip option 😁
Got my absolute perfect adept god roll last night (heal clip, onslaught, range mw, extended barrel, ricochet). It simply feels incredible. I also got an adept roll with heal clip and a choice between onslaught and kill clip (full bore, ricochet, stability mw). In being able to try out both perks on exactly the same roll, I really feel like kill clip might be the better perk for trials. Tough to say for sure, cause I’ve only been able to play Cauldron, but it feels pretty difficult to take advantage of onslaught in threes…
@@peacelovemetal5197 my kids are in their 30's but I raised them on Halo, Elder Scrolls, etc. I have friends who were in the industry - one of which is actually on the Halo credits. :-)
Good man..Halo was the king of shooters back then. Ugh i miss the Halo 2 days, Big team battles, sooooo much better than Destinys pvp modes. Aye, remember how cool it was to Rank up in pvp? Max out at level 50 with the Halo ring..thanks for ur nostagia OG Dad Gamer ✌ @@Philusteen
@@kisukeurahara189 I'm still the only one in the fam to finish Legendary on all of them, lol. I still remember getting the Hayabusa armor - such a "dad is the shit" moment, lol
I had to play 70+ games of trials this weekend to finally get my heal clip-Onslaught roll. Farmed wins all weekend and right before i was done for the night- the weapon dropped! My go to PVE weapon now as well
suffered through ferocity at first, then swapped to persistence eventually i got the adept summoner and its a heal clip + onslaught combo im eating good tonight
After using an overflow/onslaught roll this week, after many matches, I got your heal clip/onslaught god roll. It’s potent (and first time using heal clip). Farming for the zen moment roll 🙂 Thanks for the video Lego!
Love your content man. Watch regularly enough that your videos often pop up even tho I hadn’t subscribed yet. Changed that today, hope you reach your goal buddy.
I'm not good in pvp, but I decided to suffer through 10 levels for that subsistence/killing tally Incisor roll this weekend. I also got two Summoners to drop and they BOTH had heal clip/onslaught. I just tried it in pve and I'm absolutely blown away - after my absolutely disastrous time getting Messenger back in season 13, papa Saint blessed me beyond words.
Im on the opposite end of the spectrum- i've settled on heal clip/kill clip in PVP, and heal clip/onslaught in PVE (although i only really play trials and comp, so that affects my choices). The only exception is my Zen Moment/Golden Tricorn roll that I use on my Athrys hunter, because knife go brrrr
I prefer Abyss for my HC/Incan roll personally, Cursed Thrall is icing on the cake and the extra range is useful in PVE. But Summoner with Onslaught is stupid fun all the time and will be my PVE roll for less stressful content
Spot on review. I have had about 40 Summoners and for PvP I like HC, Zen and Onslaught. Hunting for a Range Masterwork and barrel to accompany it. For PVE, Heal clip and Onslaught is like a healing mini machine gun, too much fun to pass up.
just watched ur vid, got into trials with a flawless passage, got 3 autos in 15 matches, and my third adept one is exactly extended barrel, richocet, heal clip, onnslaught/incandescent with range MW. GEEZ I was looking for zen moment to be honest, but this roll gave me a really wide smile
the number of bullets the rifle comes with pairs so well with Onslaught. Haven't heard anyone else talk about that yet but it is so vital to the perk and how good it works here
The very first Adept Summoner I got rolled Heal Clip + Incan/Onslaught with Smallbore and Flared Magwell. The only real problem is that it had a Handling masterwork which, while normally just fine, is a bit wasted on a weapon archetype that already has good base Handling. That said, I was glad I got both of my PvP and PvE Summoners on the same weapon drop. Running solo in Trials is super-frustrating and I'm glad that Persistence exists now so I can at least "brute force" an Adept drop.
When we are able to enhance these perks, both heal and kill clip get +0.5 to their timers (heal clip before reloading, kill clip after). Zen Moment adds +5 stability, nice but could be better.
As a PvE player I really enjoy overflow/incandescant. I know subsistance would prolly be better, but it’s been a phenomenal weapon for me since I got this. It’s like calys but i can shoot from much farther.
On why zen moment is goated on autos The number one issue with autos especially on 600s is being flinched off target hence why handcannons hard countered autos in the past
i prefer it over heal clip i have zen moment and onslaught and its a beam i have a heal clip incandescent with a reload magazine for low to high end content its juice
I love my adept summoner I got from witch queen: small bore, ricochet rounds, overflow, rampage/elemental capacitor, stability masterwork and adept range. Overflow got gutted after the special weapon change. But hopefully it could prick upon warming special ammo from all sources in the future.
For me, I've had a ton of consistent success with Perpetual Motion/Target Lock combo (Range masterwork) running on healing grenade solar Hunter, and it feels solid. Would love to perhaps grab a heal clip version but for now I'm content with this one!
@@Legoleflash5 and 1.0 add ? Yeah i did it feels a bit different . Ill get used to it tought and thanks. Mine came with perpetual and golden tricorn. Feels awesome and with alacrity i have 95 range in total !
Ok you're really selling me on cascade point right now. I tried it on Randy's Throwing Knife and it is comically fast. So much fun. Perpetualis is next on the list. Also you have the best reviews. Perfect balance of game play, stats, weapon pairings, damage stacking, perk stacking... man you just think of everything. Thank you for the work you put into your videos 👍
@@Legoleflash I think I speak for a lot of your viewers when I say that I legitimately get a little dopamine hit when I see a video notification from your channel. And yeah I'll be farming the prophet after seeing your cascade point roll in this video. Side note: I was using Trinity Ghoul recently and noticed that cascade point triggers if you land all 3 arrows as precision, possibly even 2 arrows, not sure on that. Anyway see you in the next video.
Just got an adept summoner with corkscrew, flared magwell, heal clip, with either kill clip or onslaught with a stability masterwork. Played a few rumble games and loving it so far. Preferring onslaught more to kill clip right now but could change.
@@Legoleflashwish i had ricochet rounds and a range masterwork but this just means i get to play more trials. Side note, I typically run main ingredient for my special weapon and noticed that i start off the game with 1 shot instead of 2. Is that a bug or a glitch? I thought all special weapons started off with 2 shots.
I have a MAX Range (Full Bore/Ricochet/Range MW/Adept Range Mod) Heal Clip and Kill Clip roll. It's ridiculous. Need to re-engage? No problem. Chains kills, fantastic at duels, reprised Summoner is a demon
BTW, if you can't or won't farm The Summoner for whatever reason, or you just need more range, take a look at Abyss Defiant from Crota. Same Heal Clip vs Zen Moment choice in column 3, with Sword Logic, Kill Clip, or Swashbuckler in column 4, craftable/enhanceable, very marginally worse TTK. Heal Clip/Swashbuckler is the way IMO, powered melee kill gets you 46.9% extra damage which four taps anyone for 0.5s TTK and throws out a Cursed Thrall explosion for adding insult to injury. Athrys throwing knife build is the obvious choice (Cammycakes runs this sometimes), or Peregrine Greaves or Consecration builds on Sunbreaker, or Karnstein for a crazy snap build. You can also get melee kills decently reliably on certain other subclasses like Shadebinder, but you'd need a source of radiant to hit to 0.5s.
played some more trials today with a persistence ticket because i wanted to chill second adept got heal clip+incandescent/onslaught and i'm so so so happy couldn't ask for better and finding out this can get enhanced in final shape is just perfect edit: want to add to the love for the persistence ticket. i don't have to worry about needing to go flawless for the wonderful (adept) tag. i've already got a memento sitting in my pocket, and honestly the latest trials armour looks better when it's not glowing. so now i can chill and get some of the nicest gear in the game. it's so nice
@@Legoleflash I was trying to get onslaught on an adept or regular summoner cause I knew it was the only 600 available to farm that had that perk on it and was not able to get it.. did get a subsistence incandescent roll though with a reload masterwork… so i didn’t leave empty handed it was actually a lot of fun I used Rufus fury on my arc warlock for the flawless with blueberry’s
I saw you comment on a comment in that aztecross video about this roll....i will say here what i replied there, just because its dumb...what if fusions could get onslaught
Yeah it was really rough that first night. I feel like it's gotten easier as the weekend went on, but it was much more difficult than even I expect. Very strange for all the options available and how hot the weapon is.
I personally like on those god rolls for pvp, if you go for zen moment go for more range and also you can let go a bit of recoil direction, but if you go with heal clip, it's better to go for recoil direction and a bit more stability to compensate
If you want a 140 Two tap. I use a Ancient Gospel two tap build. Use AG with enh Killclip + enh Rampage. 100 Intellect + Mantle of Battle harmony (for 10 Resil guardians). With the Intrinsic trait activated you can have 4 dmg buffs up at the same time🤣
Not going to play trials this weekend but I do have a witch queen dynamic sway golden tricorn to try out with the radiant artifact mods. I’ve been going hard with vex mythoclast, but summoner has overload this season! It’s going to be great. I haven’t touched the gun all year so thanks for the rec Though a pve heal clip/onslaught sounds amazing…
Ah, yeah, I could dive into that but the way those play out in a real game is so different than what they look like on a wall. I’ll dive into the specifics more next time. Thanks for the feedback
Just a tip dont go with a pass of persistance if you want to farm yes you get 1 easy asept but once you get 7 wins and your free adept and try farming for more if you lose your pass is broken and you wont be able to get any more rolls. Its better to run a ferocity for farming
RR/HC/Incandescent is a PvE masterpiece, I could say imo its the best Solar Auto for PvE so far, this thing melts ads and its even crazier with Caliban Hands build
Perks that lower the optimal TTK aren't always better. Onslaught may lower it after some work, but it's not very forgiving like Target Lock (which also pushes your range out).
Yeah that’s exactly why I say it didn’t make a difference for ME, but you’re body shot average (or range as you suggested) might be different than me, but in practice in the real games, the other perks paid off WAY more
Everyone here is talking about this weapon and here I an with over 10k kills in the crucible with my abyss defiant heal clip/kill clip with 90 range and 55 stability. (Much better weapon than the summoner)
got a normal version of subsistance/tap the trigger , perpetum/targetlock and finally a heal-clip/kill clip version. barrel and mag is on the sbsistance best, sadly. But anyway, really great gun, love it :)
Hey Lego, I found an interesting weapon pairing for this gun: Deliverance. And it involves a perk I'm pretty sure literally everyone forgot exists. Sleight of Hand in the third column gives you 10 reload speed, stability, and handling on Deliverance by getting kills with your other weapon, stacking up to three times. (It's the same stat boost as Perpetual Motion.) Combine with 20% damage and 15 handling from Harmony, which reduces bolts to kill by one. You then would use it to get radiant from Rain of Fire, assuming you didn't already get it from Flint Striker (which takes 11 crits), and go back to Summoner with an even stronger auto than before. Probably not better than Discord Pressurized Precision due to ammo economy, but hey. There's also Harmony Burden of Guilt, but looks like that only decreases bolts to kill on T6 and under (and probably overshielded Titans), so maybe not as worth it. Discord/Harmony Riiswalker also seems like a fun play, with Harmony making up for the difficulty lightweights have in hitting enough pellets to kill and giving that handling bump too. My other suspicion, wildly enough, is Deconstruct Tusk of the Boar. You may have heard some hype about this weapon in PVE, as Deconstruct should in theory give it infinite ammo provided you can hit two targets at a time (it may be special-cased on grenade launchers, we don't know because we've never had one, but on regular guns it's half the mag rounded down plus two). If we end up in a hand-holdy PVP meta, however, you can use it to hit two guardians, clean them up with your favorite Onslaught weapon, and get the ammo back.
I still have a Gnawing hunger with Tap and kill clip + perfect stats, so I'm probably going to go for a zen or heal clip onslaught for something unique
actually got the zen moment onslaught drop on my lighthouse run... unfortunately stability master work and the other perks were the worst of the choices lol feels bad
I feel like heal clip with incandescent is definitely the way to go for pve. Sure kill clip is not bad as a neutral game roll but when the sweet sorrow exists with a better frame, origin trait and one for all there is not really a reason to use any other auto for neutral game in comparison. Summoner really is a weapon that performs best when built around as radiant is very abundant in pve and serves as a good enough damage buff to make the gun not feel pathetic against stronger enemies. Not to mention other damage stacking methods like surges, path of burning steps or even wormgods after the buff.
I got smallbore rico rounds heal clip kill clip and onslaught in the same slot with stability mstrwrk🤩 thinking bout pairing it wit ele cap harmony burden of guilt
I got overflow+onslaught, I just wish overflow was useable in current pvp because it would have been really good proccing onslaught with double the mag.
I will keep being an advocate for Rain of Fire Boots on Warlock. Looking at Zen Moment, Onslaught. Cause I can keep the gun loaded with Icarus Dash, and keep the Radiant buff with Empyrean after you get the Fusion Rifle Kill. This is such a strong weapon, excited to eventually get the roll. PVE Overflow and Onslaught/Golden Tricorn.
I have an old Summoner and it doesn’t have Zed moment, has 55 range, moving target and Rangefinder and the little red Dot 🔴 when u aim never moves out of target! Summoner has always have hidden buffs in aim and recoil.
18:00 Good news: I won almost half my games tonight. A significant improvement for me. Bad news: I’ve basically alternated wins and losses, making no progress on my Passage of Persistence.
@@Legoleflash UPDATE: Played Sunday night after getting home and managed four wins in a row, just short if five (4-5). Rest of the night went badly. Managed to complete my passage tonight and even got a roll of Summoner I’m happy with!
Me: Watching a Legoleflash Video RUclips Premium: You wanted to download that, right? I'm downloading it right now without you even asking Me: Fair enough, it's something i will watch multiple times because Lego is just the best review channel there is TLDR: You never fail to amaze me
I got a Elemental and Onslaught that with the reloads (solar) melts majors and champs, it is a PVE monster. I was hoping for a Heal clip Onslaught but no dice.
My only problem with this gun is it being trials exclusive. I’m not a big PvP person, and although that new trials passage will help some, trials will still be quite the hiccup for me. Other than that nice video
6 wins out of around 30 matches since going flawless and no drops so much for the 50% drop rate. Also after playing all day today I still have yet to drop a single regular summoner no drops from wins and none from engrams
50% are bullshit, more like 0.5% tbh so fucking tired carrying a heavy game or even a literally an easy game, only to be rewarded by a fucking engram and 1 core
@@NNYYLLyup and like I said i wouldn’t mind if I atleast got a regular summoner drop that way I good start using my engrams on them but all I get is everything else besides summoner and a bunch of crap world drops
Yesterday I had my first onslaught x3 in PvP in a 1v3 .... The second and third guy didn't stand a chance. In combination with zen moment they couldn't do anything 😅
Oh wow, that's awesome. It took me forever to roll my Zen / Onslaught. My internet is out right now or I'd be grinding for the adepts!!! Where's my streamer perks??? 🤣 More like streamer curse with this internet outage!
I cannot wait to get this summoner bud, the healclip/killclip or healclip/onslaught look downright illegal, i want to try the zen/onslaught as well though for $h!t$ an giggles, legit this is now my main motivation to run the torture that is trials on my lock (not just for the dragon gear)
I should have ULTRA UNDERLINED to play in a 3 stack. Loot will rain from Bungie I’m telling you. That’s how the two players that were with me got their loot so fast. Use fireteam finder, Bungie app, whatever you can. It’s worth it if you just want the loot.
For people who use passage of persistence, will they be able to farm adept drops without resetting? My clanmates mostly play PVE but they all really want the summoner
Damn, I don't wanna disappoint anyone with my skills but I do want loot ;_;
@@updownleftright9258 I’ve seen multiple people say no.
@@sahilbajaj790 Don’t worry about, if they’re solo queuing they know what they’re in for.
Don’t let the losing get to you and just play for the reputation. May be better to wait for a bonus rank weekend though.
p.s. If you’re worried about being harassed, turn off messages from non-friends. Though I haven’t had that happen too often, so it’s not a big problem.
Does this increase the chance for Adepts?
I appreciate you putting this out today. Way to many tubers put out vids after the weapon is gone.
Thanks! Numbers will probably be bad doing it over the weekend, but I know how important it is for people to save the right rolls!
Well, if you accept that having an adept isn’t essential you had an entire week to work on a video.
p.s. Thanks, Lego.
Can confirm Onslaught is flinching the fuck out of people. Got a heal clip onslaught my first drop last week and started winning 1v2s and 1v3s I had NO business even engaging in.
I swear there were a few actual 1v2s (like both players engaging) where I’d kill one and the moment I switched to the second, I entirely stopped taking damage
Exactly!! Thing is nuts. I wonder how long these two perks are going to be THIS good.
Which mag perk do you have on it? Are you getting extra flinch from high cal, or is it just onslaught by itself?
These two perks combine is insane. They are cases I absolutely dead if using anything else,but now after reloading I'm back!
I love my heal clip onslaught summoner 💯 1v2 and 1v3 are insane with this auto.
I am COMPLETELY obsessed with Zen Moment on autos right now since it makes me feel like recoil direction doesn't matter.
Gonna be chasing that max range adept roll with Zen Moment and Onslaught, but almost anything in the 4th column looks good haha
Ive been on that train for over a year with my gnawing Hunger, Zen Moment rampage and max Range. Nobody believed me how extremely OP Zen Moment on 600s is. IT Just cant miss
I waited way too long. Maybe I just needed the right gun for it
Perfect timing with the adept summoner being out this weekend, looking forward to finally going back into trials to grind after so long.
It’ll definitely be worth it! I’m pumped to grind for the adept myself!
Summoner would be a lot cooler if it were Riptide.
i love summoning my power level 1810 master worked handling under the pressere and ice clip Riptide kill tracker with 2000 thousand kills on it
Especially if it had Chill clip😂
Lmfao. Am I missing something?
How the heck did you get 27 upvotes on this inside joke?! 🤣
@@johncrichton8876
Riptide is just a great weapon
VERY important regarding the passage of persistence:
You have to win your first two matches, or your card will become flawed and you won’t get any adepts once you get to 7 wins. I’ve also heard it’s still flawing them regardless at times after 5 wins. Not sure if it’s a bug or what, but I’m restarting my card today to try again.
Really important! Thanks for spreading the word
@@Legoleflash It literally took me all day to get back to 7 wins (damn, fools in there were sweaty AF today!), but my adept drop was zen moment with a target lock/kill clip option 😁
Mine bugged after 5, it has a red X in the flawless box. No Adept drop at 7 wins
@@aucupomeliora did you leave a game by chance? or did one error out? I've heard that will flaw it as well
wow this will pair perfectly with a riptide with swu.. or a riptide with harmony.. or a riptide with vorpal.. or a riptide anything really
🥲 don’t shame summoner by pairing it like that!
I was pairing it with a tap and demo adept deliverance
Got my absolute perfect adept god roll last night (heal clip, onslaught, range mw, extended barrel, ricochet). It simply feels incredible.
I also got an adept roll with heal clip and a choice between onslaught and kill clip (full bore, ricochet, stability mw). In being able to try out both perks on exactly the same roll, I really feel like kill clip might be the better perk for trials. Tough to say for sure, cause I’ve only been able to play Cauldron, but it feels pretty difficult to take advantage of onslaught in threes…
Amazing! I actually really like onslaught in 3s but can understand the difficulty in this map, feels very close quarters
I suck at pvp (I'm 56 lol) but DID get arrowhead / ricochet / zen / kill clip, And a heal/kill combo. Really the ultimate dad main, lol
Damn, you're the 2nd oldest person I've met who plays Destiny 2! Pretty cool to see honestly!
@@peacelovemetal5197 my kids are in their 30's but I raised them on Halo, Elder Scrolls, etc. I have friends who were in the industry - one of which is actually on the Halo credits. :-)
Good man..Halo was the king of shooters back then. Ugh i miss the Halo 2 days, Big team battles, sooooo much better than Destinys pvp modes. Aye, remember how cool it was to Rank up in pvp? Max out at level 50 with the Halo ring..thanks for ur nostagia OG Dad Gamer ✌ @@Philusteen
@@kisukeurahara189 I'm still the only one in the fam to finish Legendary on all of them, lol. I still remember getting the Hayabusa armor - such a "dad is the shit" moment, lol
@@Philusteen Damn, nice dude. Took me awhile to beat legendary mode..lol.
I had to play 70+ games of trials this weekend to finally get my heal clip-Onslaught roll. Farmed wins all weekend and right before i was done for the night- the weapon dropped! My go to PVE weapon now as well
amazing!! GG!
suffered through ferocity at first, then swapped to persistence
eventually i got the adept summoner
and its a heal clip + onslaught combo
im eating good tonight
After using an overflow/onslaught roll this week, after many matches, I got your heal clip/onslaught god roll. It’s potent (and first time using heal clip). Farming for the zen moment roll 🙂
Thanks for the video Lego!
Yesss! Awesome! Got my adept version of it too and I'm loooooooooving it.
Love your content man. Watch regularly enough that your videos often pop up even tho I hadn’t subscribed yet. Changed that today, hope you reach your goal buddy.
Hey thank you! That means a ton and I really appreciate it!
I'm not good in pvp, but I decided to suffer through 10 levels for that subsistence/killing tally Incisor roll this weekend. I also got two Summoners to drop and they BOTH had heal clip/onslaught. I just tried it in pve and I'm absolutely blown away - after my absolutely disastrous time getting Messenger back in season 13, papa Saint blessed me beyond words.
Dont forget you can stack wormhusk and heal clip if you dodge and reload it procs heal clip basically gets all your health back
oh for sure, our devour which is what I was doing in a lot of these clips (or the health on orb pickup mod)
Im on the opposite end of the spectrum- i've settled on heal clip/kill clip in PVP, and heal clip/onslaught in PVE (although i only really play trials and comp, so that affects my choices).
The only exception is my Zen Moment/Golden Tricorn roll that I use on my Athrys hunter, because knife go brrrr
Next level reviews Lego! I stay to the end because you build it out so well!
Thank you!! 😄
Heal clip and onslaught is an absolute monster! Thanks for the recommendations Lego
No problem! Yeah I can’t wait to get my adept roll. Just got a 100 range target lock roll, LOL, not what I wanted Bungie!
I prefer Abyss for my HC/Incan roll personally, Cursed Thrall is icing on the cake and the extra range is useful in PVE. But Summoner with Onslaught is stupid fun all the time and will be my PVE roll for less stressful content
I feel that! I need to craft my Abyss, sword logic is still REALLY good
Spot on review. I have had about 40 Summoners and for PvP I like HC, Zen and Onslaught. Hunting for a Range Masterwork and barrel to accompany it. For PVE, Heal clip and Onslaught is like a healing mini machine gun, too much fun to pass up.
just watched ur vid, got into trials with a flawless passage, got 3 autos in 15 matches, and my third adept one is exactly extended barrel, richocet, heal clip, onnslaught/incandescent with range MW. GEEZ I was looking for zen moment to be honest, but this roll gave me a really wide smile
No way!!!! That’s amazing! Super jealous, I got the zen one, so back in I go! But still happy I at least got one of the four rolls I was hoping for
Got a healclip/onslaught last week, and it's the best onslaught weapon in PVE, hands down. The health let's you focus on keeping onslaught active.
the number of bullets the rifle comes with pairs so well with Onslaught. Haven't heard anyone else talk about that yet but it is so vital to the perk and how good it works here
I love the content man. I'll be looking out for these rolls
Awesome! Yeah! Good luck!
The very first Adept Summoner I got rolled Heal Clip + Incan/Onslaught with Smallbore and Flared Magwell. The only real problem is that it had a Handling masterwork which, while normally just fine, is a bit wasted on a weapon archetype that already has good base Handling.
That said, I was glad I got both of my PvP and PvE Summoners on the same weapon drop. Running solo in Trials is super-frustrating and I'm glad that Persistence exists now so I can at least "brute force" an Adept drop.
When we are able to enhance these perks, both heal and kill clip get +0.5 to their timers (heal clip before reloading, kill clip after). Zen Moment adds +5 stability, nice but could be better.
Which now that I say it means enhanced heal and kill clip don’t synergize at all
Yeah that’s a bummer, we’ll see what onslaught does. It can’t be enhanced anywhere else yet!
As a PvE player I really enjoy overflow/incandescant. I know subsistance would prolly be better, but it’s been a phenomenal weapon for me since I got this. It’s like calys but i can shoot from much farther.
On why zen moment is goated on autos
The number one issue with autos especially on 600s is being flinched off target hence why handcannons hard countered autos in the past
I'm with you. You can feel it most on these 600s.
I like the roll I got with high cal
i prefer it over heal clip i have zen moment and onslaught and its a beam i have a heal clip incandescent with a reload magazine for low to high end content its juice
got a heal clip onslaught roll to drop last week with ricochet and stability MW, its a monster in PVE, good to know i can use that in PVP too
Oh absolutely! It’s amazing!
I have an old one with moving target and elemental capacitor
Another great review, thanks. Wondering if you could take a look at the Smg “the title” before guardian games ends?
Definitely one I’ve been playing around with! If I have something concrete I will absolutely make a vid on it :)
Got the adept Heal Clip/Onslaught roll this weekend. It is absolutely comical how strong it is.
I love my adept summoner I got from witch queen: small bore, ricochet rounds, overflow, rampage/elemental capacitor, stability masterwork and adept range.
Overflow got gutted after the special weapon change. But hopefully it could prick upon warming special ammo from all sources in the future.
yeah I had some good old ones too but Overflow got hit SO hard in PvP
For me, I've had a ton of consistent success with Perpetual Motion/Target Lock combo (Range masterwork) running on healing grenade solar Hunter, and it feels solid. Would love to perhaps grab a heal clip version but for now I'm content with this one!
subsistence + onslaught slaps for 6s btw
What sens do you use on destiny 2 lego ?
Also should i change my reticle to be on center in the new settings ?
You probably “should” but I haven’t due to being so used to the way it is. I play on 5 🫣
@@Legoleflash5 and 1.0 add ?
Yeah i did it feels a bit different . Ill get used to it tought and thanks. Mine came with perpetual and golden tricorn. Feels awesome and with alacrity i have 95 range in total !
@@Herbster0 yeah! 1.0x ADS! reticule friction / aim assist hits hard with those settings.
I got The Summoner to drop with Zen Moment and OnSlaught with Range masterwork. Once it was masterworked and Adapt Range was added it was up to 80.
Ok you're really selling me on cascade point right now. I tried it on Randy's Throwing Knife and it is comically fast. So much fun. Perpetualis is next on the list.
Also you have the best reviews. Perfect balance of game play, stats, weapon pairings, damage stacking, perk stacking... man you just think of everything. Thank you for the work you put into your videos 👍
Thank you so much! This is REALLY encouraging… for cascade point, try it on the Prophet if you get one. Hoooooly it is awesome
@@Legoleflash I think I speak for a lot of your viewers when I say that I legitimately get a little dopamine hit when I see a video notification from your channel.
And yeah I'll be farming the prophet after seeing your cascade point roll in this video.
Side note: I was using Trinity Ghoul recently and noticed that cascade point triggers if you land all 3 arrows as precision, possibly even 2 arrows, not sure on that. Anyway see you in the next video.
@@Legoleflash I got one tonight, and was intrigued.
Not at all surprised you like it.
Just got an adept summoner with corkscrew, flared magwell, heal clip, with either kill clip or onslaught with a stability masterwork. Played a few rumble games and loving it so far. Preferring onslaught more to kill clip right now but could change.
That’s amazing! I got a good onslaught zen moment roll, but no luck on heal clip onslaught yet
@@Legoleflashwish i had ricochet rounds and a range masterwork but this just means i get to play more trials. Side note, I typically run main ingredient for my special weapon and noticed that i start off the game with 1 shot instead of 2. Is that a bug or a glitch? I thought all special weapons started off with 2 shots.
I have a MAX Range (Full Bore/Ricochet/Range MW/Adept Range Mod) Heal Clip and Kill Clip roll. It's ridiculous. Need to re-engage? No problem. Chains kills, fantastic at duels, reprised Summoner is a demon
Oh I am so jealous. I got the same roll but zen moment target lock unfortunately on my adept. Ugh. Back in we go!
You can do it! I'm on the hunt for a proper high range roll with Zen Moment myself. Luck to us both on our searches!
BTW, if you can't or won't farm The Summoner for whatever reason, or you just need more range, take a look at Abyss Defiant from Crota. Same Heal Clip vs Zen Moment choice in column 3, with Sword Logic, Kill Clip, or Swashbuckler in column 4, craftable/enhanceable, very marginally worse TTK. Heal Clip/Swashbuckler is the way IMO, powered melee kill gets you 46.9% extra damage which four taps anyone for 0.5s TTK and throws out a Cursed Thrall explosion for adding insult to injury.
Athrys throwing knife build is the obvious choice (Cammycakes runs this sometimes), or Peregrine Greaves or Consecration builds on Sunbreaker, or Karnstein for a crazy snap build. You can also get melee kills decently reliably on certain other subclasses like Shadebinder, but you'd need a source of radiant to hit to 0.5s.
played some more trials today with a persistence ticket because i wanted to chill
second adept got heal clip+incandescent/onslaught and i'm so so so happy
couldn't ask for better and finding out this can get enhanced in final shape is just perfect
edit: want to add to the love for the persistence ticket. i don't have to worry about needing to go flawless for the wonderful (adept) tag. i've already got a memento sitting in my pocket, and honestly the latest trials armour looks better when it's not glowing. so now i can chill and get some of the nicest gear in the game. it's so nice
Got that heal clip kill clip/target lock and man Im loving it in trials. Dont know how effective zen moment feels but heal clip feels good for me.
I really like Heal Clip Onslaught. I'm hoping for a Zen Moment Onslaught or a Zen / Golden Tricorn to try out.
Subsistence + Rampage is also a timeless combo for this.
My first flawless was over this weekend
Yooo!! Congrats! That’s amazing!
@@Legoleflash I was trying to get onslaught on an adept or regular summoner cause I knew it was the only 600 available to farm that had that perk on it and was not able to get it..
did get a subsistence incandescent roll though with a reload masterwork…
so i didn’t leave empty handed it was actually a lot of fun I used Rufus fury on my arc warlock for the flawless with blueberry’s
I saw you comment on a comment in that aztecross video about this roll....i will say here what i replied there, just because its dumb...what if fusions could get onslaught
Ha! Omg. I mean, successful warmup is KINDA that 😅
Great vid mate, hoping to make it through later but Trials MM has been ROUGH for me this weekend lol
Yeah it was really rough that first night. I feel like it's gotten easier as the weekend went on, but it was much more difficult than even I expect. Very strange for all the options available and how hot the weapon is.
I personally like on those god rolls for pvp, if you go for zen moment go for more range and also you can let go a bit of recoil direction, but if you go with heal clip, it's better to go for recoil direction and a bit more stability to compensate
If you want a 140 Two tap. I use a Ancient Gospel two tap build. Use AG with enh Killclip + enh Rampage. 100 Intellect + Mantle of Battle harmony (for 10 Resil guardians).
With the Intrinsic trait activated you can have 4 dmg buffs up at the same time🤣
Not going to play trials this weekend but I do have a witch queen dynamic sway golden tricorn to try out with the radiant artifact mods. I’ve been going hard with vex mythoclast, but summoner has overload this season! It’s going to be great. I haven’t touched the gun all year so thanks for the rec
Though a pve heal clip/onslaught sounds amazing…
PLEASE MENTION THE DIFFERENT PATTERNS WITH DIFFERENT DETERMINISTIC RECOIL
Ah, yeah, I could dive into that but the way those play out in a real game is so different than what they look like on a wall. I’ll dive into the specifics more next time. Thanks for the feedback
@@Legoleflash i really appreciate you
Zen/kill clip adept or heal clip/onslaught-target lock adept. I always ran target and got to lighthouse..
Just a tip dont go with a pass of persistance if you want to farm yes you get 1 easy asept but once you get 7 wins and your free adept and try farming for more if you lose your pass is broken and you wont be able to get any more rolls. Its better to run a ferocity for farming
RR/HC/Incandescent is a PvE masterpiece, I could say imo its the best Solar Auto for PvE so far, this thing melts ads and its even crazier with Caliban Hands build
Man the editing and quality of video is top notch.
Great video, thank you
Appreciate you saying so!
Thanks for the great info!
haven't put down golden tricorn since I started using Unforgiven, Optative, and Out of Bounds with demo
LOL i got both Adept zen moment/heal clip - kill clip onslaught and a Range MW
I got a perp motion and onslaught/tap the trigger. High cal and stab MW. It's really good
Perks that lower the optimal TTK aren't always better. Onslaught may lower it after some work, but it's not very forgiving like Target Lock (which also pushes your range out).
Yeah that’s exactly why I say it didn’t make a difference for ME, but you’re body shot average (or range as you suggested) might be different than me, but in practice in the real games, the other perks paid off WAY more
Everyone here is talking about this weapon and here I an with over 10k kills in the crucible with my abyss defiant heal clip/kill clip with 90 range and 55 stability. (Much better weapon than the summoner)
got a normal version of subsistance/tap the trigger , perpetum/targetlock and finally a heal-clip/kill clip version. barrel and mag is on the sbsistance best, sadly. But anyway, really great gun, love it :)
Hey Lego, I found an interesting weapon pairing for this gun: Deliverance. And it involves a perk I'm pretty sure literally everyone forgot exists.
Sleight of Hand in the third column gives you 10 reload speed, stability, and handling on Deliverance by getting kills with your other weapon, stacking up to three times. (It's the same stat boost as Perpetual Motion.) Combine with 20% damage and 15 handling from Harmony, which reduces bolts to kill by one. You then would use it to get radiant from Rain of Fire, assuming you didn't already get it from Flint Striker (which takes 11 crits), and go back to Summoner with an even stronger auto than before.
Probably not better than Discord Pressurized Precision due to ammo economy, but hey. There's also Harmony Burden of Guilt, but looks like that only decreases bolts to kill on T6 and under (and probably overshielded Titans), so maybe not as worth it. Discord/Harmony Riiswalker also seems like a fun play, with Harmony making up for the difficulty lightweights have in hitting enough pellets to kill and giving that handling bump too.
My other suspicion, wildly enough, is Deconstruct Tusk of the Boar. You may have heard some hype about this weapon in PVE, as Deconstruct should in theory give it infinite ammo provided you can hit two targets at a time (it may be special-cased on grenade launchers, we don't know because we've never had one, but on regular guns it's half the mag rounded down plus two). If we end up in a hand-holdy PVP meta, however, you can use it to hit two guardians, clean them up with your favorite Onslaught weapon, and get the ammo back.
I’m using the same same exact thing. But mine has tap and demo. Good call.
Onslaught + Subsistence feels like an autorifle huckleberry
I still have a Gnawing hunger with Tap and kill clip + perfect stats, so I'm probably going to go for a zen or heal clip onslaught for something unique
actually got the zen moment onslaught drop on my lighthouse run... unfortunately stability master work and the other perks were the worst of the choices lol feels bad
YO! Still some nice perks though. Can't wait to get in there but my internet went out due to a storm as soon as I published this vid, LOL
I feel like heal clip with incandescent is definitely the way to go for pve. Sure kill clip is not bad as a neutral game roll but when the sweet sorrow exists with a better frame, origin trait and one for all there is not really a reason to use any other auto for neutral game in comparison. Summoner really is a weapon that performs best when built around as radiant is very abundant in pve and serves as a good enough damage buff to make the gun not feel pathetic against stronger enemies. Not to mention other damage stacking methods like surges, path of burning steps or even wormgods after the buff.
I got a heal clip/incandescent roll on an igneous hammer last night. It’s really fun.
Then got a dynamic away/kill clip summoner.
I got smallbore rico rounds heal clip kill clip and onslaught in the same slot with stability mstrwrk🤩 thinking bout pairing it wit ele cap harmony burden of guilt
Oh my gosh! I still haven’t good a good adept heal clip roll!!!
I am chasing for Smallbore, Ricochet, Zen Moment, and Kill Clip
Pretty good if you get it!!!
the brey tech warewolf runs circles around the summoner
I got overflow+onslaught, I just wish overflow was useable in current pvp because it would have been really good proccing onslaught with double the mag.
I will keep being an advocate for Rain of Fire Boots on Warlock. Looking at Zen Moment, Onslaught. Cause I can keep the gun loaded with Icarus Dash, and keep the Radiant buff with Empyrean after you get the Fusion Rifle Kill. This is such a strong weapon, excited to eventually get the roll.
PVE Overflow and Onslaught/Golden Tricorn.
Oh that is VERY strong with Rain of Fire, and yeah, Rain of Fire is crazy good with pretty much everything 😅
loving my zen moment golden tricorn roll! gonna try it with arthrys embrace, think it'll be insane!
ooo that's going to be good for sure
What about heal clip with onslaught?
I have an old Summoner and it doesn’t have Zed moment, has 55 range, moving target and Rangefinder and the little red Dot 🔴 when u aim never moves out of target! Summoner has always have hidden buffs in aim and recoil.
18:00 Good news: I won almost half my games tonight. A significant improvement for me.
Bad news: I’ve basically alternated wins and losses, making no progress on my Passage of Persistence.
NOooooo ugh I’m sorry, it was that way even for me a while last night. I think it was a tough night of trials for whatever reason
@@Legoleflash UPDATE:
Played Sunday night after getting home and managed four wins in a row, just short if five (4-5). Rest of the night went badly.
Managed to complete my passage tonight and even got a roll of Summoner I’m happy with!
I managed to pull off some good combos for both PVE and PVP but didn’t quite manage the zen/onslaught roll I was grinding for haha
I’m going back in for mine right this moment!
@@Legoleflash Godspeed helldiver
I managed to get a a decent pvp and pve roll just keep at it you will get it eventually
I would definitely like to play trials but I'm not good in the crus... Awesome weapons would be nice to have....
Kill clip is pretty underwhelming on it imo. Had one and ended up deleting it, still trying to focus for onslaught
Me: Watching a Legoleflash Video
RUclips Premium: You wanted to download that, right? I'm downloading it right now without you even asking
Me: Fair enough, it's something i will watch multiple times because Lego is just the best review channel there is
TLDR: You never fail to amaze me
Hey thank you so much! That means a ton!
@@Legoleflash The fusion master answered me
This day just got a lot better
I got a Elemental and Onslaught that with the reloads (solar) melts majors and champs, it is a PVE monster. I was hoping for a Heal clip Onslaught but no dice.
Keep at it! It's worth it IMO!
This video might have saved me some stress I have a HC+onslaught roll I got last night that I was going to delete but going to give it a try first
Devour, Echo of vigilance and One Eyed Mask + onslaught doesn’t feel fair.
The 1st one I got was Arrowhead, ricochet, zen, onslaught with a range MW
Wow. What a roll
Me encantan tus videos son muy adictivos independientemente que son largos no se me hacen pesados de ver sino que son muy relajantes de ver 😊
Can i get the summoner without getting flawless and 7 kill streak? Can i get it through engrams??? Help?
My only problem with this gun is it being trials exclusive. I’m not a big PvP person, and although that new trials passage will help some, trials will still be quite the hiccup for me. Other than that nice video
I dunno…I’ve been finding more success with zen moment/target lock than zen moment/onslaught maybe it just fits me better 🤷🏻♂️
*Patiently waiting for The Prophet review*
Good vid - I prefer onslaught in pve specifically because it has the hidden bonus reload speed benefit
Yeah that reload speed buff is NICE.
My old adept is GT/compulsive reloader. Not very much good and it was still feels liked a machine gun.
6 wins out of around 30 matches since going flawless and no drops so much for the 50% drop rate. Also after playing all day today I still have yet to drop a single regular summoner no drops from wins and none from engrams
Oh dang that’s rough! Sometimes it be like that though, and then you get three in a row. RNG is a pain
50% are bullshit, more like 0.5% tbh
so fucking tired carrying a heavy game or even a literally an easy game, only to be rewarded by a fucking engram and 1 core
@@NNYYLLyup and like I said i wouldn’t mind if I atleast got a regular summoner drop that way I good start using my engrams on them but all I get is everything else besides summoner and a bunch of crap world drops
It's terrible RNG. I've gone flawless and have like 5 more adepts post wins
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@@OthersideSparrowI got like 7-8 more wins since yesterday and still have yet to get another adept drop
Yesterday I had my first onslaught x3 in PvP in a 1v3 .... The second and third guy didn't stand a chance. In combination with zen moment they couldn't do anything 😅
Very first roll I got was zen/ onslaught. Just got an adept with dynamic/onslaught. Better stats but I don't think so.....
Oh wow, that's awesome. It took me forever to roll my Zen / Onslaught. My internet is out right now or I'd be grinding for the adepts!!! Where's my streamer perks??? 🤣 More like streamer curse with this internet outage!
That’s so weird I’ve only got 1 Summoner so far and it’s the exact same one as 3:14 like same exact perks/mag/barrel/mw o.O
discord notif squad am i right fellas 💥
🙌🙌🙌🙌 thanks Heli 🙂
Is that a Mechaneer build at the end there?
I cannot wait to get this summoner bud, the healclip/killclip or healclip/onslaught look downright illegal, i want to try the zen/onslaught as well though for $h!t$ an giggles, legit this is now my main motivation to run the torture that is trials on my lock (not just for the dragon gear)