I swear people keep dogging on this scout bc of its hipfire. It’s not an exotic, it’s a legendary scout. Leave the hipfire capabilities for guns that are purposely designed for that (last word, DMT’s catalyst, Tommy’s matchbook)
@@st0nedpenguin yeah it is a bummer, but people also forget that Tex mechanica is also made for perk combos that shouldn’t exist but do: like the two burst sidearm with desperado. This scout with kill clip is pretty cool.
Crazy how you can build 100% into it and it’s still trash. Biggest complaint about a lot of guns, that the background tuning on accuracy and bloom and hipfire headshot/bodyshot preference can hurt guns this much even stacking all these perks.
@@Legoleflash I can understand why they did it but I think the big mistake Bungie made was putting hipfire perks on weapons with long ranges. If they'd stuck to say sidearms and shotguns they could make the hipfire perks actually good because they'd be limited by range. Right now the perks kinda have to be mediocre because otherwise we'd have an even better version of DMT mapping people with hipfire.
This scout is better than expected but I found it to be hard countered by other popular scouts like Jade and BB hung Jury. Been rocking the keep away kill clip roll
You know, in your Summoner video, someone asked in the comments how you felt about this weapon and how they had a Cascade roll, and your response, if I can recall correctly, was almost exactly “oh I have some things to say about THAT”. And ever since that comment, I kept a Cascade roll sitting in my post, waiting for this video
Its my fun loadout this week. I use it with trinity Ghoul. One Headshot counts as three hits. With a Bow that activates Cascade Point. I use it on Hunter with Speedloader Slacks for the good old Bow swap. People dont expect to be hit with a Bow and instantly die from the "Long Word". Is it competative? NO. One missed Headshot ruins the build and most AR's kill you faster than you can swap, but its fun and get some kills.
I’m a DMT boy through and through, and whenever they release a new legendary “DMT” scout I want to try it. But for whatever reason I keep going back to the DMT
the issue i have with cascade point is the fact that my other weapon im using is usually a different range. like if im using a sidearm or shotgun and im in the thick of it, proc my scout rifle perk at close range is foolish. the discord cascade roll was the first i got and personally didn't like it on tarax either. but i respect you for giving your own personal god roll that you've used and not just picking the general consensus as always.
@@Legoleflash between me and you…. 🙃What fusion would you run in energy slot currently for 3v3. Working on techion red borders as well as trinary. But not much luck so far. Love my Null Composure that you recommended a long time ago but it just does not compete as it once did. I’m running invisible hunter if this helps.
@@jinxcustomcontrollersI’m not even close to legos skill with fusions but i enjoy plug 1 if you have a good rolled one, I love my heating up successful warm up roll
Many players tend to rely on RUclipsrs to define the "God Roll" for weapons instead of experimenting with different perks themselves. However, if more people were open to testing random perks, they might discover that Cascade Point is one of the most underrated options available. For example, if you have a primary weapon with Cascade Point, try pairing it with the Fighting Lion grenade launcher as your secondary. The gameplay loop is surprisingly effective: deal high damage with Fighting Lion to make it easier to secure a kill with your primary weapon, then switch back to Fighting Lion, which instantly refills its ammo. Fire another shot and get a kill with the fighting lion to trigger Cascade Point, and repeat the cycle. This setup offers a skillful and satisfying playstyle in Destiny 2. If you haven't tried it yet, I highly recommend giving it a shot!
great review as always! my first adept drop was keep away kill clip. i've put a few hundred kills into it in supremacy and i'm hooked. and as it turns out, after watching this video it turns out my roll is your 5/5 :D
The roll that I got and went with was rapid Hit precision instrument and kill clip in the other slot. Precision instrument really helps when it comes to peak shotting. And enemies dipping in and out of cover alternating who's shooting. It happened multiple occasions where I was ramping up. Damage doing over a 100 damage per head shot with the amount of precision hits. I was getting against OS Titans and Stag Warlock. It has a place in 3s and that's what I mostly play.
I hear that Enhanced Hip-Fire Grip is noticeably better than regular Hip-Fire Grip. I don’t know if it would save the viability of hip-firing The Prophet, but I would save a roll with Hip-Fire Grip for when Final Shape drops, and we can retroactively enhance perks on The Prophet. It’d be worth testing it one more time.
@@pelikanvernichter I am in the belief that this retroactive enhancing of perks on weapons will apply to both normal and Adept variants. Take this with a grain of salt.
The roll on my adept that I love using is small bore flared mag keep away and kill clip with stability masterwork which just feels great in trials and is perfect for the lane on jav 4 this weekend
I had wondered if The Prophet had been one of the lucky weapons to be made more exclusive towards PvP, and I'm surprised to be correct after you stated to not go for any of the PvE perks. After having listened to your love between the recommended perks, you sold me in thinking that Bungie had done right with this one. And I would be lying if I said the Osiris-eye aesthetic didn't look better on this Tex Mechanica scout. Side note: I don't suppose there would be a proper way to send you some honest questions other than RUclips's comment section, because I don't know how awkward it would be to ask five-or-so questions to you, knowing you're probably busy making new videos and scoring kills out there. As always, Cheers for the dedication you take to making these videos, and know that you've got me hooked on thinking about getting this scout and a Summoner roll sometime next week (when I feel ready to face my fears)! I legit really want that auto for more reasons that I'd like to admit!
I’ve been using my small bore/ accurized rounds/Outlaw/Headstone adept roll with reload masterwork in both PvE and PvP and I have been pleasantly surprised. I wasn’t that big of a fan of DMT and really I’m still not, but this gun got me liking this frame type. Throw on the adept stability mod and let it rip! Now I am going to be looking for your god roll and see how I like it. Game play looks like a blast!
I found this video long after I settled on my discord Cascade point roll. It's such and incredible roll with trespassers and bakris, or just on its own
The point of Precision Instrument on Prophet is to 3tap overshield titans; Prophet does something like 273 in three headshots, so just needs that tiny bit of help
That's the main point, yeah. But it is possible to 2-tap with Precision Instrument but it's not reliable. You need to get to stack 4 first and then the 5th and 6th shot let's you 2-tap although I'm not sure at what resilience.
wicked stuff Lego i like that you referred it to the Last word Its fun to see where Trials Is taking us, Gonna give killclip ago with Bakris that sounds fun
Yup... I ran a dbl Cascade for trials, it kinda worked. Thinking jav 4 may b lil small for this scout. Paired with a Prosecutor with Gut shot & Cascade & bakris... Oh boy my prosecutor cleaned house, my prophet was a bit wonky... Still thinking it was the map. Very few respect Cascade, which is nice because they seem to just walk into it lol.
Hey Lego, I was packman627 in the video. I remember messaging you saying that Cascade Point on Prophet scared me lol. Great game playing against you, and I did snag a CP roll on the Prophet and I'm loving it! Great video!
Rapid and cascade is a really good roll as well because the scout by itself is good so I like rapid hit when I’m just sing the gun but having cascade point was icing on the top when I swap from my summoner after a kill.
He was talking about glacier nade specifically, which does work, but ONLY if you kill with the shatter, not if you kill something frozen. Which to me felt inconsistent, because you can’t always kill with a crystal shatter, most of the time you want to kill a frozen enemy (think warlock) and that doesn’t work for GTx2, shatterdive or Titan slide are the only options.
Keep a precision instrument roll, people. We will be able to enhance it retroactively in final shape, and if im pretty sure that slight increase in dmg allows for a 2 tap on all resils after a 3 crit kill on first target, as well as serving to counteract overshields.
I actually played against you while you were trying the hip fire perks a week or so ago. Don’t remember the outcome of the match but yeah I think I caught you a few times. I was hoping that perk combo would be nice but disappointed to hear it doesn’t
if you run any form of a sidearm or smg just run cascade on your other gun. Tarax + out of bounds smg (or any smg/sidearm) made me a believer in this perk. Out of bounds rolls with harmony, was literally getting some shots in with the smg and was ready to chain.
I have an adept version with fluted/hammer forged, accurized, keep away and kill clip. As soon as I realized hip fire was trash on this I really started to enjoy using it
just a PSA, dont give up on hipfire if you are on M&K. if explosive payload ever gets fixed to not need 3 crits against 10 resil, it activates the origin trait in 2 shots. combined with the gun getting enhanced hipfire in the future, I suspect it will be quite strong when that happens. so if you play M&K and get hipfire + explosive, just keep it around until final shape and see how it performs. also with all the complaints of how poor the hipfire is on this weapon, i can see scouts getting a specific buff to hip accuracy.
I use it with my stasis hunter build. Got a precision instrument/cascade keep away role. I love it and ive been seeing alot of others swap to theirs after getting beaten by it. Including dmt! I use it with bakris and trespasser for those being too aggressive. It can 2 crit 1 body. And with precision the headshot goes up to like 105-107. Consistently hitting 90 at long range
I got ONE drop the first weekend it was availible and it was Enlightened Action + Kill clip. Mine has reload masterwork, which actually feels insane with alloy mag and one quiet moment
On the PvE side of things, I’d say it’s still pretty viable as the DPS difference between scouts is marginal at best. Aggs have the highest single shot damage and can one-shot enemies in higher difficulties. Add on top of that, how there are multiple ways to lessen the main DPS penalty (reload speed). One Quiet Moment procs all the time in PvE and gives a huge benefit for free. So yeah, while it’s not the best DPS wise, does that really matter in a PvE scout if it has other great options/uses to back it up? Not for everyone, but if you like it, use it.
Yeah I can for sure see where you’re coming from. I hope I don’t push people too far away from it. If it’s someone’s style I want them to go for it still!
9:22 this is a point that legitimately makes me sad, this gun needs a slight PvE buff so bad, it feels *just* short on damage for a frame that's supposed to be slow firing and hard hitting. A ~10% damage increase against red bars would already make the gun feel a ton better.
I haven't watched yet and just wanna say rapid hit explosive payload has not left my hands for crucible even though i have a sauced kill clip roll. I duel entire fire teams and win frequently. I call it my elephant gun and it brings me joy as the world's longest aggressive hand cannon
Also can't recommend reload scaling perks on this gun enough, I run double loader on my gauntlets. I actively slam bullets into this thing as I'm firing. People do not expect it! They peek thinking they're cleaning you on a reload, not realizing you already slammed in 4 fresh rounds and have your ADS again
I got a Demo/Headstone roll for PvE and sort of dipped from Trials after that. I wasn't sold on the weapon for PvP but perhaps I just need a god roll to try out.
I've tried to like these 120 scouts they just are not for me outside of DMT. Maybe I just need more time to adjust? Idk, but I did get one with kill clip, enlightened action, flared magwell, fullbore/extended barrel, and a reload masterwork.
They were preparing for the future knowing this weapon would be too broken if it didn’t come out subpar. Once enhanced perks come out on this, I’m sure it will be much better. I’m looking forward to enhancing this more than anything else
The prophet with rapid hit kill clip on Titan icefall mantle Reaper 3 surge mods and stasis siphon is a damage monster hitting 122 to the head normally I don't run siphon in pvp but this thing gets multi kills so fast once you get this flow going this is MDT and I love it
Lego I'd pay good money to have you cover all the sidearms. I can't decided if kc/hk heilo vs crafted drang vs zen/kc fioutra is better. They all feel phenomenal ❤
That’s funny because I was actually going to have a Helio deep dive out Monday, but then The Prophet dropped and I swapped gears. Mostly done with it though!
Does chambered compensator steadyrounds stability masterwork rapid hit and kill clip or headstone soundbgood?adept.i wanted to farm it but did not have time as my tiny people come over on weekends.
Rolled 3 the other night and got a keep away / kill clip / range mw. This thing is crazy. Also, the reason to take the headstone roll in to pve is simple. To practice for pvp. :P
Man I got seven adept rolls and none had Discord. I've got a hip fire cascade and a rapid hit cascade. I guess I'll keep the rapid hit one? Maybe the answer is to just use engrams and get a non-adept one. Not sure how much adept matters on this gun.
I got one with fluted, steady rounds, rapid hit, kill clip handling mw. I.threw on adept range and imo its solid..... but..... nothing beats hung jury rapid hit, box breathing. Consistent .67ttk
I got hipfire and offhand on my adept roll. Typical. I did get cascade as a secondary perk. So perhaps when its ehancable, hipfire cascade will be good.
I'm a little dissapointed that it's another kinetic 120. I've been using DMT constantly since it first came out and I really want something similar in the energy slot, but I don't own the dungeon pass. I'm still getting a few Prophet rolls but most likely I will stick to my DMT. It with a sidearm was my go to pvp build before the sandbox changes. Now I've been trying it out with glaives, mostly Enigma or my max range Unexpected Resurgence. Glaives feel a lot more useful in this new meta than they did before.
Discord/Cascade point is really fun in PvE as well, would even say it is the god roll. Using Indebted Kindness or Buried Bloodline keeps it going so easily Hoping you review A Sudden Death soon. It's a sleeper no one is mentioning
Handed in my card earlier today, I sadly cannot be bothered to grind a cascade point roll, I just have to hope one of my 6 godrolls just happens to have cascade point in the extra perk slot I also find that keep away on this gun is completely useless. It’s a *scout rifle* it has a lot of range already, I just feel outlaw or the other perks offer so much more.
As a cascade point enthusiast im very interested to know your opinion about guiding sight. Its the only scout to get the same ttk as ARs with cascade point. 0.48s. do you think its worth to grind some engrams with iron banner around the corner.
It'll still ghost reg. Offhand strike is a special weapon perk. Last word just needs either killed wind and a stat bump along with it's ads recoil reduced Or a simple stat increase
Hip Fire with Kill Clip on this may not be S tier but it definitely increases versatility for this. I’m M&K but it makes it so viable to ADS or Hipfire. I have over 1400 pvp kills on this roll and it’s a lot of fun.
I swear people keep dogging on this scout bc of its hipfire. It’s not an exotic, it’s a legendary scout. Leave the hipfire capabilities for guns that are purposely designed for that (last word, DMT’s catalyst, Tommy’s matchbook)
A great argument if Bungie wasn't literally leaning into the hipfire role for these weapons while also making the hipfire garbage.
@@st0nedpenguin yeah it is a bummer, but people also forget that Tex mechanica is also made for perk combos that shouldn’t exist but do: like the two burst sidearm with desperado. This scout with kill clip is pretty cool.
Yup. The perks are totally a trap with it. Unfortunate
Crazy how you can build 100% into it and it’s still trash. Biggest complaint about a lot of guns, that the background tuning on accuracy and bloom and hipfire headshot/bodyshot preference can hurt guns this much even stacking all these perks.
@@incendiarypoprocks8700 maybe the enhanced perks will help it a lot.
Bungie: Here's a whole bunch of perks based around hipfire.
Also Bungie: They're not gonna make hipfire viable though.
I know right? What a trick 😅
Bahaha
Average keyboard and mouse last word experience
Youd figure with the hand holding of bullets bending and hitting targets for you they wouldnt mind
@@Legoleflash I can understand why they did it but I think the big mistake Bungie made was putting hipfire perks on weapons with long ranges.
If they'd stuck to say sidearms and shotguns they could make the hipfire perks actually good because they'd be limited by range. Right now the perks kinda have to be mediocre because otherwise we'd have an even better version of DMT mapping people with hipfire.
You’re the only reason I’ve been saving taraxapos’ and they have cascade point
This scout is better than expected but I found it to be hard countered by other popular scouts like Jade and BB hung Jury. Been rocking the keep away kill clip roll
Get precision hit on it as well thank me later :)
Jade does get countered by this with cascade
I really feel like one quiet moment proc's more than you think and is great on this archetype with the slow reload.
You know, in your Summoner video, someone asked in the comments how you felt about this weapon and how they had a Cascade roll, and your response, if I can recall correctly, was almost exactly “oh I have some things to say about THAT”. And ever since that comment, I kept a Cascade roll sitting in my post, waiting for this video
Yeah, that was me.
Rapid it Cade point is nice
You can run rapid hit+precision instrument to get an even shittier version of pre change dmt
Its my fun loadout this week.
I use it with trinity Ghoul.
One Headshot counts as three hits.
With a Bow that activates Cascade Point.
I use it on Hunter with Speedloader Slacks for the good old Bow swap.
People dont expect to be hit with a Bow and instantly die from the "Long Word".
Is it competative?
NO.
One missed Headshot ruins the build and most AR's kill you faster than you can swap, but its fun and get some kills.
I’m a DMT boy through and through, and whenever they release a new legendary “DMT” scout I want to try it. But for whatever reason I keep going back to the DMT
the issue i have with cascade point is the fact that my other weapon im using is usually a different range. like if im using a sidearm or shotgun and im in the thick of it, proc my scout rifle perk at close range is foolish. the discord cascade roll was the first i got and personally didn't like it on tarax either. but i respect you for giving your own personal god roll that you've used and not just picking the general consensus as always.
Can not wait for an updated fusion list!!!!! Love the info
Appreciate it! Definitely on the radar
@@Legoleflash between me and you…. 🙃What fusion would you run in energy slot currently for 3v3. Working on techion red borders as well as trinary. But not much luck so far. Love my Null Composure that you recommended a long time ago but it just does not compete as it once did. I’m running invisible hunter if this helps.
@@jinxcustomcontrollersI’m not even close to legos skill with fusions but i enjoy plug 1 if you have a good rolled one, I love my heating up successful warm up roll
I’ve had great results with the IB strand fusion. I’ve seen an increase of high impact frames lately but those don’t jive for my play style.
Just finished farming and finally got the discord cascade roll! Excited to try it out next trials
Many players tend to rely on RUclipsrs to define the "God Roll" for weapons instead of experimenting with different perks themselves. However, if more people were open to testing random perks, they might discover that Cascade Point is one of the most underrated options available.
For example, if you have a primary weapon with Cascade Point, try pairing it with the Fighting Lion grenade launcher as your secondary. The gameplay loop is surprisingly effective: deal high damage with Fighting Lion to make it easier to secure a kill with your primary weapon, then switch back to Fighting Lion, which instantly refills its ammo. Fire another shot and get a kill with the fighting lion to trigger Cascade Point, and repeat the cycle.
This setup offers a skillful and satisfying playstyle in Destiny 2. If you haven't tried it yet, I highly recommend giving it a shot!
great review as always! my first adept drop was keep away kill clip. i've put a few hundred kills into it in supremacy and i'm hooked. and as it turns out, after watching this video it turns out my roll is your 5/5 :D
The roll that I got and went with was rapid Hit precision instrument and kill clip in the other slot. Precision instrument really helps when it comes to peak shotting. And enemies dipping in and out of cover alternating who's shooting. It happened multiple occasions where I was ramping up. Damage doing over a 100 damage per head shot with the amount of precision hits. I was getting against OS Titans and Stag Warlock. It has a place in 3s and that's what I mostly play.
I hear that Enhanced Hip-Fire Grip is noticeably better than regular Hip-Fire Grip. I don’t know if it would save the viability of hip-firing The Prophet, but I would save a roll with Hip-Fire Grip for when Final Shape drops, and we can retroactively enhance perks on The Prophet. It’d be worth testing it one more time.
Will it work on normal guns or only adept?
@@pelikanvernichter I am in the belief that this retroactive enhancing of perks on weapons will apply to both normal and Adept variants. Take this with a grain of salt.
@@IggyMidomi ok
The roll on my adept that I love using is small bore flared mag keep away and kill clip with stability masterwork which just feels great in trials and is perfect for the lane on jav 4 this weekend
In the low special ammo sandbox I find myself having to hipfire in clutch situations, so I like hipfire grip. Plus you can enhance it in the future
That’s a good point on the enhanced version. Will probably make a pretty big difference
Cascade point is one of my favorite perks on guns :)
I had wondered if The Prophet had been one of the lucky weapons to be made more exclusive towards PvP, and I'm surprised to be correct after you stated to not go for any of the PvE perks.
After having listened to your love between the recommended perks, you sold me in thinking that Bungie had done right with this one. And I would be lying if I said the Osiris-eye aesthetic didn't look better on this Tex Mechanica scout.
Side note: I don't suppose there would be a proper way to send you some honest questions other than RUclips's comment section, because I don't know how awkward it would be to ask five-or-so questions to you, knowing you're probably busy making new videos and scoring kills out there.
As always, Cheers for the dedication you take to making these videos, and know that you've got me hooked on thinking about getting this scout and a Summoner roll sometime next week (when I feel ready to face my fears)! I legit really want that auto for more reasons that I'd like to admit!
I’ve been using my small bore/ accurized rounds/Outlaw/Headstone adept roll with reload masterwork in both PvE and PvP and I have been pleasantly surprised. I wasn’t that big of a fan of DMT and really I’m still not, but this gun got me liking this frame type. Throw on the adept stability mod and let it rip! Now I am going to be looking for your god roll and see how I like it. Game play looks like a blast!
I have been liking precision hit intrusment it also give youtwo taps an let's you have more forgiveness :)
I found this video long after I settled on my discord Cascade point roll. It's such and incredible roll with trespassers and bakris, or just on its own
How am I supposed to use this AND Riptide? We need to put primary ammo weapons back in the top slot.
Thanks for clearing things up, especially with whole hip fire thing.
Yeah that’s the part I hope I emphasized the most. It brings the most disappointment for sure.
I saw cascade on this thing and wanted it day 1. So fun
The point of Precision Instrument on Prophet is to 3tap overshield titans; Prophet does something like 273 in three headshots, so just needs that tiny bit of help
Yeah, I could have mentioned this. I think I just would really like to avoid using this scout at base.
That's the main point, yeah. But it is possible to 2-tap with Precision Instrument but it's not reliable. You need to get to stack 4 first and then the 5th and 6th shot let's you 2-tap although I'm not sure at what resilience.
wicked stuff Lego i like that you referred it to the Last word Its fun to see where Trials Is taking us, Gonna give killclip ago with Bakris that sounds fun
Yup...
I ran a dbl Cascade for trials, it kinda worked. Thinking jav 4 may b lil small for this scout.
Paired with a Prosecutor with
Gut shot & Cascade & bakris...
Oh boy my prosecutor cleaned house, my prophet was a bit wonky... Still thinking it was the map.
Very few respect Cascade, which is nice because they seem to just walk into it lol.
Right?!! Haha the way people will push when I just got it active is wild
Hey Lego, I was packman627 in the video. I remember messaging you saying that Cascade Point on Prophet scared me lol. Great game playing against you, and I did snag a CP roll on the Prophet and I'm loving it! Great video!
Hey gg! That’s awesome! Was cool to get a game with ya!
Rapid and cascade is a really good roll as well because the scout by itself is good so I like rapid hit when I’m just sing the gun but having cascade point was icing on the top when I swap from my summoner after a kill.
Jade Rabbit: "why go for long words when you can have a short word with me?"
Seems to be some confusion on golden tricorn with stasis. Cool guy was preaching something different
He was talking about glacier nade specifically, which does work, but ONLY if you kill with the shatter, not if you kill something frozen.
Which to me felt inconsistent, because you can’t always kill with a crystal shatter, most of the time you want to kill a frozen enemy (think warlock) and that doesn’t work for GTx2, shatterdive or Titan slide are the only options.
@@Legoleflash word. Thanks for clarifying!
@@MayorOfFlavor yeah of course! Was a tricky one for me to work with when doing the big Golden Tricorn deep dive, so I remembered it well. ha!
Keep a precision instrument roll, people. We will be able to enhance it retroactively in final shape, and if im pretty sure that slight increase in dmg allows for a 2 tap on all resils after a 3 crit kill on first target, as well as serving to counteract overshields.
I actually played against you while you were trying the hip fire perks a week or so ago. Don’t remember the outcome of the match but yeah I think I caught you a few times. I was hoping that perk combo would be nice but disappointed to hear it doesn’t
I've been running a Arrowhead Break/Accurized Rounds/Rapid Hit/Cascade Point and have been having a lot of fun with it
Just got a discord/cascade point adept.. I’m hyped to try it!!
Nice! I STILL don’t have the adept combo for it, but it’s still my favorite!
honourable mention with the icefall mantle and kill clip combo, icefall also gives stasis surge bonus.
if you run any form of a sidearm or smg just run cascade on your other gun. Tarax + out of bounds smg (or any smg/sidearm) made me a believer in this perk. Out of bounds rolls with harmony, was literally getting some shots in with the smg and was ready to chain.
I actually managed to get the Discord/Cascade combo on my first base Prophet
I wish they would have put headstone in the 3rd column for this one. It woukd have made it unique and the ultimate long-range trials for stopping res.
enough about the prophet god roll.. what about the RIPTIDE god roll??
Go watch the tier list video
@@Manstrualhe doesn’t know 😂
@@Manstrualnot updated to new sanbox
The MemeTide
@@jinxcustomcontrollers dude. It doesn't even have high impact reserves. What could have possibly changed.
I have an adept version with fluted/hammer forged, accurized, keep away and kill clip. As soon as I realized hip fire was trash on this I really started to enjoy using it
just a PSA, dont give up on hipfire if you are on M&K. if explosive payload ever gets fixed to not need 3 crits against 10 resil, it activates the origin trait in 2 shots. combined with the gun getting enhanced hipfire in the future, I suspect it will be quite strong when that happens. so if you play M&K and get hipfire + explosive, just keep it around until final shape and see how it performs. also with all the complaints of how poor the hipfire is on this weapon, i can see scouts getting a specific buff to hip accuracy.
I use it with my stasis hunter build. Got a precision instrument/cascade keep away role. I love it and ive been seeing alot of others swap to theirs after getting beaten by it. Including dmt! I use it with bakris and trespasser for those being too aggressive. It can 2 crit 1 body. And with precision the headshot goes up to like 105-107. Consistently hitting 90 at long range
I got ONE drop the first weekend it was availible and it was Enlightened Action + Kill clip. Mine has reload masterwork, which actually feels insane with alloy mag and one quiet moment
Nothing will ever make me enjoy this archetype of scout rifle
about the "cascade is a special weapon perk", just wanted to add that its also cracked on bows
On the PvE side of things, I’d say it’s still pretty viable as the DPS difference between scouts is marginal at best. Aggs have the highest single shot damage and can one-shot enemies in higher difficulties.
Add on top of that, how there are multiple ways to lessen the main DPS penalty (reload speed). One Quiet Moment procs all the time in PvE and gives a huge benefit for free.
So yeah, while it’s not the best DPS wise, does that really matter in a PvE scout if it has other great options/uses to back it up?
Not for everyone, but if you like it, use it.
Yeah I can for sure see where you’re coming from. I hope I don’t push people too far away from it. If it’s someone’s style I want them to go for it still!
It’s pretty good in PVE with the right builds, I’ll probably farm for some more rolls in trials since it’s double infamy this weekend.
9:22 this is a point that legitimately makes me sad, this gun needs a slight PvE buff so bad, it feels *just* short on damage for a frame that's supposed to be slow firing and hard hitting. A ~10% damage increase against red bars would already make the gun feel a ton better.
All scouts are weak because it’s a high reward 0 risk weapon. Bungie won’t raise the damage
Yeah I wish they would have made this one hit just a bit harder with how it feels like it should.
thumbnail is 🔥🔥🔥
Thank ya! Half the reason for the vid was thinking of this thumbnail. 🤣
Can you look into scalar potential? Feel like its a real sleeper in this over shield meta with Under-Over
I haven't watched yet and just wanna say rapid hit explosive payload has not left my hands for crucible even though i have a sauced kill clip roll. I duel entire fire teams and win frequently. I call it my elephant gun and it brings me joy as the world's longest aggressive hand cannon
Also can't recommend reload scaling perks on this gun enough, I run double loader on my gauntlets. I actively slam bullets into this thing as I'm firing. People do not expect it! They peek thinking they're cleaning you on a reload, not realizing you already slammed in 4 fresh rounds and have your ADS again
I knew this was going to be a cascade video!
Haha had to! 😉
I got a Demo/Headstone roll for PvE and sort of dipped from Trials after that. I wasn't sold on the weapon for PvP but perhaps I just need a god roll to try out.
I've tried to like these 120 scouts they just are not for me outside of DMT. Maybe I just need more time to adjust? Idk, but I did get one with kill clip, enlightened action, flared magwell, fullbore/extended barrel, and a reload masterwork.
Its intrinsic high handling and range make it a great pick for fighting lion follow ups.
How is fighting look after the checkmate changes and its nerf?
@@SavvyMon4 It feels pretty much the same, I didn't even realize it was nerfed.
The Last Rite, seasonal 120 scout is goated also. I swear it doesn't have a strafe penalty for ads.
Couldn't agree more with this review. The offhand strike HFG doesn't come close to the OG DMT nor the current DMT
The more you talk about Cascade Point and other off-meta gem perks. Would love to have a conversation on weapons and builds.
Got the discord harmony roll and when it procs, it's really fun.... But I'm not really good enough to utilize it often.
They were preparing for the future knowing this weapon would be too broken if it didn’t come out subpar. Once enhanced perks come out on this, I’m sure it will be much better. I’m looking forward to enhancing this more than anything else
The prophet with rapid hit kill clip on Titan icefall mantle Reaper 3 surge mods and stasis siphon is a damage monster hitting 122 to the head normally I don't run siphon in pvp but this thing gets multi kills so fast once you get this flow going this is MDT and I love it
Lego I'd pay good money to have you cover all the sidearms. I can't decided if kc/hk heilo vs crafted drang vs zen/kc fioutra is better. They all feel phenomenal ❤
That’s funny because I was actually going to have a Helio deep dive out Monday, but then The Prophet dropped and I swapped gears. Mostly done with it though!
@@Legoleflash dang great minds think alot. 450s feel phenomenal right now. Especially the suros ones.
Does chambered compensator steadyrounds stability masterwork rapid hit and kill clip or headstone soundbgood?adept.i wanted to farm it but did not have time as my tiny people come over on weekends.
Was aiming for that roll but couldn’t make it happen, next time perhaps
Rolled 3 the other night and got a keep away / kill clip / range mw. This thing is crazy. Also, the reason to take the headstone roll in to pve is simple. To practice for pvp. :P
Thank you for the video
Thanks for watching!
@@Legoleflash hey I got everything you said for god roll except flared mag instead of accurized rounds. You think that will work fine?
Man I got seven adept rolls and none had Discord. I've got a hip fire cascade and a rapid hit cascade. I guess I'll keep the rapid hit one? Maybe the answer is to just use engrams and get a non-adept one. Not sure how much adept matters on this gun.
Trust me rapid hit cascade is still very good especially if you are just using it normally. The scout feels amazing cascade is just icing on the cake
I feel your pain. Farmed over 30 adepts on a 7 win card this weekend looking for demo/Hs. Only 1 dropped with demo and it didn't have HS 😭
@@golddagger1276 Nice, thanks.
@@OlKeen dude that sucks. Last weekend it took me 26 Summoner rolls before I got one with Zen Moment. Rip.
It's the red dot, it's so fricking clean and feels so accurate
Love your vids!
I got one with fluted, steady rounds, rapid hit, kill clip handling mw. I.threw on adept range and imo its solid..... but..... nothing beats hung jury rapid hit, box breathing. Consistent .67ttk
I got hipfire and offhand on my adept roll. Typical. I did get cascade as a secondary perk. So perhaps when its ehancable, hipfire cascade will be good.
I'm a little dissapointed that it's another kinetic 120. I've been using DMT constantly since it first came out and I really want something similar in the energy slot, but I don't own the dungeon pass. I'm still getting a few Prophet rolls but most likely I will stick to my DMT. It with a sidearm was my go to pvp build before the sandbox changes. Now I've been trying it out with glaives, mostly Enigma or my max range Unexpected Resurgence. Glaives feel a lot more useful in this new meta than they did before.
Discord/Cascade point is really fun in PvE as well, would even say it is the god roll. Using Indebted Kindness or Buried Bloodline keeps it going so easily
Hoping you review A Sudden Death soon. It's a sleeper no one is mentioning
what about this weapon for PvE after they announced the damage buff that puts aggressive scouts above every other scout archtype?
Just got this adept and I love it
What roll are you running on your Heliocentric dude?
My brother in Christ what fragments and stuff are you running with ur hunta?
Future enhanced hipfire grip does change things or nah?
Handed in my card earlier today, I sadly cannot be bothered to grind a cascade point roll, I just have to hope one of my 6 godrolls just happens to have cascade point in the extra perk slot
I also find that keep away on this gun is completely useless. It’s a *scout rifle* it has a lot of range already, I just feel outlaw or the other perks offer so much more.
How does kill clip work with the shell loading type of reload?
It’s instant! Pretty cool.
Great video, thanks man
This is the one rare case where I regret not playing trials, the kill clip roll looks like stupid fun for 6s.
Yeah it’s SUPER easy to use
As a cascade point enthusiast im very interested to know your opinion about guiding sight. Its the only scout to get the same ttk as ARs with cascade point. 0.48s. do you think its worth to grind some engrams with iron banner around the corner.
I really dislike it. That said, I think it gets gutshot / cascade which looks good on paper but haven’t had it drop yet
I have a demo kill clip roll that I love using for my shatter dive hunter build, with frostees, CONSTANT Grenades
Yeah that is pretty great. I would vouch for it more if demo was more than 10% on primaries. Always miss the 20 from my specials.
Prophet Is super fun to use. It really does give out heads hots for free.
I feel like I am still stuck with my Long-Arm,
Polygonal, Steady Rounds, Stability Masterwork.
Under-Pressure, High-Impact Reserves
Offhand Strike needs to be on the Last Word catalyst.
It'll still ghost reg. Offhand strike is a special weapon perk.
Last word just needs either killed wind and a stat bump along with it's ads recoil reduced
Or a simple stat increase
sometimes I wonder if bungie actually tests weapons they put hip fire grip and off hand strike on...
Ppl have tunnel vision with this gun. They keep trying to hip fire and forget all the other amazing perks lol
Yeah and hipfire grip might be okay when enhanced, but right now it’s a no go
the thumbnail kinda looks like the arc thrower from helldivers a bit
Kinda wish I was good enough to go flawless. These weapons seem awesome.
How do I get adept weapon from trials
Sounds like prophet and the trespasser type of season for me
Cascade point on a shotty is pretty fun in PvE
Got chambered with max stability, keep away, cascade point. 74 stability is unholy on this thing.
Hip Fire with Kill Clip on this may not be S tier but it definitely increases versatility for this. I’m M&K but it makes it so viable to ADS or Hipfire. I have over 1400 pvp kills on this roll and it’s a lot of fun.
Have a polygonal steady rapid hit KC range masterwork and I can tell you this thing is nasty.
Okay, so why this over Randy with discord cascade ?