Damn dude. Your talents in terms creating believable back stories to fit within established Alpha canon lore is enviable. You should be working on the production staff for modern era Star Trek!
The 4-nacelle design seems like something you'd want just for the redundancy to put on long-range explorers that are going to have to spend a lot of time outside Federation space and away from Federation resources. You would want a ship resilient enough to function with a loss of one or more nacelles. In addition, the Cheyenne-class seems to be almost ideally designed as a separatable ship, giving both sections the ability to have warp. Again, something that is ideal for a long-range explorer.
"Just because she's ugly and large, doesn't make her slow and packing teeth. She does have grace and honor. She proved herself, that the Empire lacks knowledge on battling an Federation starship of this class" ~Klingon Ambassador referring to Cheyenne class
My absolute favorite non-hero ship and one that I've been waiting for earnestly. I love the narrative presented, even though its ultimate conclusion is still a hard pill to swallow...
Thank you, and I love the design as well, however, not every story can have a happy ending. But even I was saddened by the Ultimate Conclusion to the Class :( And I wrote it! :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios well given the 10,000 ships on deck narrative that all went kawhoosh was there anywhere else for you to go with it? I could see a couple surviving cause they were mid-trip or something but that'd be it.
My approach has always been to create a narrative that makes the most logical sense... And since we never really see them anywhere in Trek, not really even being mentioned, it's the only outcome I could come up with that I thought made some sense!
Not only does it have four nacelles, those nacelles leave behind neon yellow streaks when they go to warp. ;) (For those too young, they made the nacelles out of some highlighter pens that were popular in the 80s. :) )
Hello Triangulum. I have always been a fan of the quad designs. Mostly due to the fact that anything affecting a warp nacelle while 'in flight' could be seen to and repaired while the ship ran on it's other three nacelles. Having four nacelles also meant that losing two in battle did not affect the ship too harshly, in that it still had two to establish a balanced warp field for 'high' speed warp. Another factor to a quad design was Emergency Power. A good engineer could re-route warp plasma back through the warp core for an additional 'boost' of power, without needing to increase the matter-antimatter feeds. Even though such an emergency boost put a strain on the ship's Di-lithium crystals, it was only for short periods of time, and such stresses were well within tolerances. Yet another factor to having four nacelles was the 'ramp' up to full operational speed. With four nacelles sharing the load, none would have to be stressed to their maximum tolerances, and thus such 'rabbit' runs up to high warp speeds were safer and faster than any other class' nacelles could manage, without being truly massive in size. Add to all the above the fact that a four nacelle system adds redundancy overall to a ships warp capability, and you have a ship that can survive combat and still maintain high warp speed at need, and be more maneuverable, and less likely to break down overall. The only 'detraction' for quad nacelle designs is that with four, maintenance would be an 'ongoing' thing, and require a well trained engineering staff. I know that Star Trek is not all about combat, but such designs should take their place as the needed, and often ignored, potential to keep enemies of the Federation at bay while Fleet gathered the resources to deal with any external threat. just my thoughts, agree or not. spoken, Frank-ly
Yup! I would very much like to see more videos like this one! I really enjoy how you stitch all the bits of lore and speculation together, man. Just too much fun!
A fast, durable, versatile ship with brand new power, weapon and shield systems requiring some of the greatest minds in the Federation. Yet another example of the Galaxy designs being the result of *checks notes* complacency and hubris, apparantly.
I like the 4 nacelle design. I think on the right ships they fit well. The Constellation class has been one of my favorites since TNG and I like this as well it's a good looking ship, you know with all the different ships and crews there is so many stories that could be told from any era. DS9, Voyager and even though I'm not a huge fan of Discovery they show a different world that doesn't revolve around Kirk or Picard or the Enterprise. I would love to see them just pick a random ship from any time frame and follow that crews adventures and I know there's Prodigy and Lower Decks but that's animation and geared towards kids. Great video again today I look forward to these! Keep up the great work and already ready for the next one.
It's a decent design; basically Constellation ver.2.0 in my opinion. The four-nacelle bit always struck me as overkill in terms of practicality, but aesthetically, it's not bad.
TriAngulum, I would love to hear a ‘What If?’ scripted by you of Security at Utopia Planica shipyards stopped the Zhat Vash virus in time and the Synthetic attack never happened, allowing Picard to warp into Romulus orbit with the largest Rescue Armada in history. To have the Romulan Continuing Committee trying to keep their jaws from hitting the deck as they were escorted around the Odyssey class Star-Cruiser, USS Verity. And across the system, Nero and his crew are figuring out how to tattoo 10,000 Starfleet ships on to each other!
My theory is that 4 nacelle designs allow for more complex and finely tuned warp field geometries. This enhances the way the warp field interacts with space-time and sub-space in a manner analogous to reducing drag or enhancing traction for a ground vehicle. It makes the drive more efficient. That said, the more complex field geometries require equally enhanced complexity in control systems, and the added engine components create added opportunities for hardware failure. This increases maintenance costs as well as production costs, which is why the designs are not as common as 2 nacelle designs. I find it note worthy that Dominion capital ships also feature 4 nacelles by having a pair of smaller nacelles complement their primary drive, as did an early Nebula class prototype. It may be that this mixed design of nacelle types provides most of the benefit of the more symmetrical 4 nacelle configurations of the Constellation and Cheyenne classes, but are less resource intensive to build and operate.
This is one of my favorite non-hero starships in Star Trek. The only game that seems to debut it as a playable ship is Star Trek Online. I love the background information you gave us. Awesome video!
I wonder, Could “She” have Survived the Mars Attack? And knowing the video and which ship survived Wolf 359, I think you know what I mean. (Hell she’s the model on screen.) The Sole Survivor. And if she was Decomissioned afterwards, would she have been put in the Fleet Museum for her Story to be told?
I'm gonna be honest, I've always thought the federation took wolf 359 too hard. Sure, they got their asses kicked, but the borg were way ahead of them. Classes like this one could have been so much better had they gotten the same treatment as the galaxy.
I have one question. You left us with the question of which 4 nacelle design do we like best. But my choice isn't on the list. The Prometheus Class clearly boasts 4 nacelles. I realize it can split into 3 separate ships...but as a whole it flies with all 4. And the fact of it having Multi Vector Assault Mode makes it the most versatile of the 4 nacelle designs. I'm curious as to why you didn't add it to the list. I thought it deserved mentioning. Thanks.
Well A) It's actually a 6 Nacelle Design, not 4... Just because you cant see the other 2 Nacelles, doesnt mean they dont exist. IE Just because you cant see a submarines Nuclear Torpedoes, doesnt mean it's not a Nuclear Sub! B) I chose not to, because these polls arent just chosen as random nonsense, but rather to help steer the channel to certain ends...
My personal head canon will always be, one nacelle is required for warp. Two are installed standard for redundancy. 3 and 4 nacelle designs are for ships that are expected to be in battle, since nacelles are often targeted to disable.
Public: a quad nacelle starship is so wasteful *Aliens attack planet Public: Help starfleet we're under attack send help immediately! Starfleet: Hmm, if only we had a starship with more nacelles to increase speed! XD
No it wasnt, there is NOTHING to suggest that it was... In fact, the opposite has been directly told to us, by the only people who CAN tell us, that Picard takes place in the PRIME Timeline!
Just so everyone knows...the Prometheus does NOT have 6 warp nacelles...it has 5. I am willing to admit when I am wrong. The command module in MVAM has one small warp nacelle that comes up out of the top of the command section. I will admit that even though it is hidden and rarely used...it does technically have it and therefore I yield. Yet...someone told me it has 6...which is simply untrue. Proving we are all human...but we can still enjoy Trek together.
Im sorry you are incorrect, it has 2 small Nacelles, one comes out of the top and one out of the bottom of the Top Section when spit apart... That equals 6! Just so everyone gets the correct answer! Guess you'll have to technically admit you are wrong again :P That way we can all enjoy Trek Together.
Here is a pic for you to better understand the class and not make the same mistake again... ;) farm3.static.flickr.com/2461/3580412647_a8c5311286_b.jpg
No, lol, just like I said in the video, this class didn't require one, like the Miranda, Oberth, Centaur and Constellation Classes, it used deflector emitters!
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While my two favorite starship classes are 2-nacelle designs, I appreciate the 4-nacelle look because it adds variety to the fleet.
Yes, this right here :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios Wasn't the Cayenne class in the Dominion war in DS9?
No, it wasnt! It was only in the Best of Both Worlds P2 Graveyard scene!
Damn dude. Your talents in terms creating believable back stories to fit within established Alpha canon lore is enviable. You should be working on the production staff for modern era Star Trek!
Well thank you SO much :)
I have to agree and improve it in great measure.
The 4-nacelle design seems like something you'd want just for the redundancy to put on long-range explorers that are going to have to spend a lot of time outside Federation space and away from Federation resources. You would want a ship resilient enough to function with a loss of one or more nacelles. In addition, the Cheyenne-class seems to be almost ideally designed as a separatable ship, giving both sections the ability to have warp. Again, something that is ideal for a long-range explorer.
I have the eaglemoss version of this ship I love the design of this class.
I know this might be unpopular but this has always been one of my favourite class of star ships.
Why would that be unpopular? You have great taste :)
Someone I knew didn’t like the fact that highlighters were used for the nacelles when they kit-bashed it. I think they said it made it look cheap.🤷♂️
I'm a sucker for these 4 nacelle designs!
You and me both ;)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios more reason why you're my favorite TrekTuber.
"Just because she's ugly and large, doesn't make her slow and packing teeth. She does have grace and honor. She proved herself, that the Empire lacks knowledge on battling an Federation starship of this class" ~Klingon Ambassador referring to Cheyenne class
:)
The beauty shots you used on this video make it look a lot better than I had originally given it credit for
My absolute favorite non-hero ship and one that I've been waiting for earnestly. I love the narrative presented, even though its ultimate conclusion is still a hard pill to swallow...
Thank you, and I love the design as well, however, not every story can have a happy ending. But even I was saddened by the Ultimate Conclusion to the Class :( And I wrote it! :P
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios well given the 10,000 ships on deck narrative that all went kawhoosh was there anywhere else for you to go with it? I could see a couple surviving cause they were mid-trip or something but that'd be it.
My approach has always been to create a narrative that makes the most logical sense... And since we never really see them anywhere in Trek, not really even being mentioned, it's the only outcome I could come up with that I thought made some sense!
Not only does it have four nacelles, those nacelles leave behind neon yellow streaks when they go to warp. ;) (For those too young, they made the nacelles out of some highlighter pens that were popular in the 80s. :) )
Thanks for this video! A shame we could not see more ships from this era in TNG.
Glad you enjoyed it! And I agree :)
I like the 4 nacelles. Two warp cores would make it so that it can run at warp indefinately. It just seems more practical
Im a fan of Quad Nacelle designs as well :)
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios right? They are so symmetrical. Saw a fan design where it had a ring with 6 nacelles. Looked like a vulcan ship sorta
Hello Triangulum.
I have always been a fan of the quad designs. Mostly due to the fact that anything affecting a warp nacelle while 'in flight' could be seen to and repaired while the ship ran on it's other three nacelles. Having four nacelles also meant that losing two in battle did not affect the ship too harshly, in that it still had two to establish a balanced warp field for 'high' speed warp.
Another factor to a quad design was Emergency Power. A good engineer could re-route warp plasma back through the warp core for an additional 'boost' of power, without needing to increase the matter-antimatter feeds. Even though such an emergency boost put a strain on the ship's Di-lithium crystals, it was only for short periods of time, and such stresses were well within tolerances.
Yet another factor to having four nacelles was the 'ramp' up to full operational speed. With four nacelles sharing the load, none would have to be stressed to their maximum tolerances, and thus such 'rabbit' runs up to high warp speeds were safer and faster than any other class' nacelles could manage, without being truly massive in size.
Add to all the above the fact that a four nacelle system adds redundancy overall to a ships warp capability, and you have a ship that can survive combat and still maintain high warp speed at need, and be more maneuverable, and less likely to break down overall.
The only 'detraction' for quad nacelle designs is that with four, maintenance would be an 'ongoing' thing, and require a well trained engineering staff.
I know that Star Trek is not all about combat, but such designs should take their place as the needed, and often ignored, potential to keep enemies of the Federation at bay while Fleet gathered the resources to deal with any external threat.
just my thoughts, agree or not.
spoken, Frank-ly
Yup! I would very much like to see more videos like this one! I really enjoy how you stitch all the bits of lore and speculation together, man. Just too much fun!
Well as always thank you Jaspr :) I try very hard to fit as much as possible together in to a story that makes sense :) Have a great day! :)
I like the Cheyenne Class design. 😁
I really loved the design of this ship it definitely falls into my top 10 Starfleet ships. Would definitely like to serve about this ship myself
I love the design too, so Id be right there serving beside you :)
Nice one as always! I like 4 nacelles. Even if its a specialized class of ship, which makes sense. I think they add depth to the narrative.
Good story for this class. This was always a cool design in my eyes. Glad to see her featured!
A fast, durable, versatile ship with brand new power, weapon and shield systems requiring some of the greatest minds in the Federation. Yet another example of the Galaxy designs being the result of
*checks notes*
complacency and hubris, apparantly.
It was a different time...
I like the 4 nacelle design. I think on the right ships they fit well. The Constellation class has been one of my favorites since TNG and I like this as well it's a good looking ship, you know with all the different ships and crews there is so many stories that could be told from any era. DS9, Voyager and even though I'm not a huge fan of Discovery they show a different world that doesn't revolve around Kirk or Picard or the Enterprise. I would love to see them just pick a random ship from any time frame and follow that crews adventures and I know there's Prodigy and Lower Decks but that's animation and geared towards kids. Great video again today I look forward to these! Keep up the great work and already ready for the next one.
Thank you, Ill do my best :)
Great Video! I've always thought this class had a lot of potential. Great Stuff, Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it! And I hope we get to see it once again in Alpha Canon :)
It's a decent design; basically Constellation ver.2.0 in my opinion. The four-nacelle bit always struck me as overkill in terms of practicality, but aesthetically, it's not bad.
I dont mind 4 Nacelle Designs, as long as they look good :)
TriAngulum, I would love to hear a ‘What If?’ scripted by you of Security at Utopia Planica shipyards stopped the Zhat Vash virus in time and the Synthetic attack never happened, allowing Picard to warp into Romulus orbit with the largest Rescue Armada in history. To have the Romulan Continuing Committee trying to keep their jaws from hitting the deck as they were escorted around the Odyssey class Star-Cruiser, USS Verity.
And across the system, Nero and his crew are figuring out how to tattoo 10,000 Starfleet ships on to each other!
Excellent as always great job.
Thank you :)
Its my flagship in STO.
Beautiful ship that I modified to have it with a smaller profile with the nacelle's closer to the saucer.
My theory is that 4 nacelle designs allow for more complex and finely tuned warp field geometries. This enhances the way the warp field interacts with space-time and sub-space in a manner analogous to reducing drag or enhancing traction for a ground vehicle. It makes the drive more efficient. That said, the more complex field geometries require equally enhanced complexity in control systems, and the added engine components create added opportunities for hardware failure. This increases maintenance costs as well as production costs, which is why the designs are not as common as 2 nacelle designs.
I find it note worthy that Dominion capital ships also feature 4 nacelles by having a pair of smaller nacelles complement their primary drive, as did an early Nebula class prototype. It may be that this mixed design of nacelle types provides most of the benefit of the more symmetrical 4 nacelle configurations of the Constellation and Cheyenne classes, but are less resource intensive to build and operate.
This is one of my favorite non-hero starships in Star Trek. The only game that seems to debut it as a playable ship is Star Trek Online. I love the background information you gave us. Awesome video!
I love and appreciate your work more than words could ever explain, that's why I am a patreon member
I wonder, Could “She” have Survived the Mars Attack?
And knowing the video and which ship survived Wolf 359, I think you know what I mean. (Hell she’s the model on screen.)
The Sole Survivor.
And if she was Decomissioned afterwards, would she have been put in the Fleet Museum for her Story to be told?
6 nacelle design gonna be wildin
Thank you very much for this nice Video. Like the Cheyenne Class
Me too and you're very welcome :)
I'm gonna be honest, I've always thought the federation took wolf 359 too hard. Sure, they got their asses kicked, but the borg were way ahead of them. Classes like this one could have been so much better had they gotten the same treatment as the galaxy.
I love listening to the lore!!!!
Thank you!
I think i would have liked to command a Cheyenne Class ship it looked like a great concept and an awesome design =)
Good call! ;)
I really like the Cheyenne class it's a really amazing looking Starship it's a vessel I'd love 2 command
Tremendous video. Wish you were writing for canon sources🖖🏼
Thank you so much Bill :)
I have one question. You left us with the question of which 4 nacelle design do we like best. But my choice isn't on the list. The Prometheus Class clearly boasts 4 nacelles. I realize it can split into 3 separate ships...but as a whole it flies with all 4. And the fact of it having Multi Vector Assault Mode makes it the most versatile of the 4 nacelle designs. I'm curious as to why you didn't add it to the list. I thought it deserved mentioning. Thanks.
Well A) It's actually a 6 Nacelle Design, not 4... Just because you cant see the other 2 Nacelles, doesnt mean they dont exist. IE Just because you cant see a submarines Nuclear Torpedoes, doesnt mean it's not a Nuclear Sub! B) I chose not to, because these polls arent just chosen as random nonsense, but rather to help steer the channel to certain ends...
'They Went To Plaid!'
My personal head canon will always be, one nacelle is required for warp. Two are installed standard for redundancy. 3 and 4 nacelle designs are for ships that are expected to be in battle, since nacelles are often targeted to disable.
I am not the only one who has known that this ship is upside down and am l?
Yes, yes, and yes please.
LOL, noted :P
Nice video and hello all after the first me
Hello! And thank you for the support :)
It's a shame we never got to see any interiors of this class
Public: a quad nacelle starship is so wasteful
*Aliens attack planet
Public: Help starfleet we're under attack send help immediately!
Starfleet: Hmm, if only we had a starship with more nacelles to increase speed! XD
Something about the little bumps that extend past the nacelle struts just seem inelegant to me...
The four neisell design is a better rescue pelosphy works.
Plus it looks cool ;) :P
@TriAngulum Audio Studios I know right. #rally4quadniceles
Personally I believe the Cheyenne class could if it was upgraded done as a deep space starship.
This question might be unanswerable, but how many ship classes have there been in Star Fleet, counting from the NX-01 through to the NCC-1701 J?
It is unanswerable
Remember the Picard series was based in an alternate Federation time line.
No it wasnt, there is NOTHING to suggest that it was... In fact, the opposite has been directly told to us, by the only people who CAN tell us, that Picard takes place in the PRIME Timeline!
is it possible to update closed captions on a RUclips video by a viewer? @11:29 should be fell
RUclips makes the closed captions automatically, so I doubt it!
👍
Interesting ship sad about her history
It's a great design, but not every story can have a happy ending ;)
First comment woop. In the real world most plains can fly on one engine so if you have a long range explorer you want 4
First? :S You're a bit off there :P But thank you for the support :)
Just so everyone knows...the Prometheus does NOT have 6 warp nacelles...it has 5. I am willing to admit when I am wrong. The command module in MVAM has one small warp nacelle that comes up out of the top of the command section. I will admit that even though it is hidden and rarely used...it does technically have it and therefore I yield. Yet...someone told me it has 6...which is simply untrue. Proving we are all human...but we can still enjoy Trek together.
Im sorry you are incorrect, it has 2 small Nacelles, one comes out of the top and one out of the bottom of the Top Section when spit apart... That equals 6! Just so everyone gets the correct answer! Guess you'll have to technically admit you are wrong again :P That way we can all enjoy Trek Together.
Here is a pic for you to better understand the class and not make the same mistake again... ;) farm3.static.flickr.com/2461/3580412647_a8c5311286_b.jpg
Looks better than the constellation class but I'm not a fan of four nacelles on ships.
That's unfortunate, Personally, Im a fan of Quad Nacelle designs, if they look good that is :)
I never understood why Starfleet didn't design a ship where the nacelles split between 2 and 4 when you need them to.
So you're saying the kit-bashed this nonsense and forgot the deflector array lol
No, lol, just like I said in the video, this class didn't require one, like the Miranda, Oberth, Centaur and Constellation Classes, it used deflector emitters!
Bleh.. now you reminded me of that stupid plot in Picard..
You mean I reminded you of the Plot of Picard that you didnt like, but the overall majority of fandom did? :P
While I like the ship I do not like the squared off ends of the Nacelles like that, just looks wrong...
Really, I have no problem with them at all! Gives a TMP vibe to them!
So CBS decided every single Cheyenne class was destroyed at Mars... that seems like lazy writing to me
First off, this is Beta canon, so it wasnt CBS! Second, it isnt lazy either!
@@TriAngulumAudioStudios why defend CBS? And how is it not Lazy writing?
Im not defending them, as they were not involved is simply a fact! And just because you dont like something, doesn't make it lazy writing!