Don't Buy A Dually? After Owning One, Here's My Thoughts
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- Опубликовано: 24 фев 2024
- I had a chance to own a dually and here is what I learned! || Like || Subscribe || Share || #ramhd #gmcsierrahd #fordsuperduty
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Sometimes stuff you see or read online is incorrect. Case in point, JBs take on a Class A cdl lol.
So CDL laws are purely federal and also purely for commercial usage. That means if you’re using your truck for a business. Private use does not apply.
Now just like with registration and insurance, every state is different. Some states DO REQUIRE a non commercial Class A license for stuff over 26,000 GCWR. Again, it varies by state, so as the great Gun Tuber Paul Harrell says, check your local laws.
Here’s the rules for when an actual CDL (commerical drivers license) is required:
1) any vehicle with a GVWR over 26,000 pounds. (Class B cdl required)
2) any combination vehicle with a GCWR over 26,000 pounds AND the trailer being towed has a GVWR of 10,000 pounds or more. (Class A cdl required)
3) there’s plenty of other little things that would require a CDL but that would require a really long post. The highlights are a vehicle with air brakes, a placarded vehicle, passenger vehicles, tankers and it goes on.
The bottom line is a CDL is a federal thing, and it’s for commercial use and doesn’t apply to private use.
Yes! I really wish folks who try to "report" information would actually check the facts because it just proliferates incorrect data and information, which is rampant throughout the internet and overwhelming on RUclips!
JB, your opinions and uncontrolled testing are perfectly fine to share, but you would provide much better "influence" by not discussing things you have no real knowledge or a complete understanding of, especially with the variation throughout the country.
😂😂😂 There was another youtuber who got pulled over for not having a CDL while towing a gooseneck trailer and he was over the 26k GCWR. I know RV’s don’t need it but it’s somewhat of a gray area… not all state troopers will pull over private operators but you have to have a strong case that you’re not for hire depending on the type of trailer/load your towing 👍🏾
@@JB_WhoWork you said it in the first sentence there that it was a RUclipsr. So technically that person (like you) is doing the truck review for a business.
So if you get right down to it you actually need a medical examiners certificate which is essentially a “CDL physical” to operate even your AT4 because it has a GVWR over 10,000 pounds.
You also need DOT numbers when you’re doing a towing test for RUclips. You would also have to do vehicle inspections and have a first aid kit, flagging kit, fire extinguisher and depending on how far you are traveling from your home base, keep an e-log.
But the blanket statement that anything over 26,000 GCWR requires a cdl is false.
I wish a lot of people would understand the difference between commercial and private use. While it’s not everyone’s favorite subject, most states don’t require anything for private use when over 26,000 GCWR which causes a lot of gripe. I’m not a fan of elderly folk being able to drive a full size diesel powered coach, but private use probably won’t ever be required to have a proper license/medical exam since they aren’t driving for money.
This comment. So tired of hearing this on RUclips.
I just wanted to thank you for your videos packed full of information which I greatly needed. Just traded our 2022 Ram 2500 Laramie for a new 2024 Chevrolet 3500 LTZ crew cab long bed Z-71 6.6l gas with Allison transmission. Now I have payload/cargo for our Alliance 36BRM. Thanks again and Be Blessed 🙌
I have been driving my ram dually for over 30 years. You will quickly learn to park away from cars and stay away from drive throughs and when in doubt take 2 spots. Once you get on the road though can pull any trailer with no sway bars and zero sway. The one big pet peave I find is spending over 1800 for 6 tires. Your best tires I find are Michelin. They run the smoothest and last the longest of any tire I have owned.
Michelin, by far best tire, cost more up front, but you can't afford not to have them.
Yeah michelin is good apparently I work at a tire shop and we sell a lot of Michelin's everyday
That's crazy, tires for a dually up here in communist Canada, those same tires would cost around $2400
235/80/17 are far cheaper than 265/70/20’s so the 2 extra tires are a wash.
In my case there's no option. Can't do dually. I'm disabled and parking at the end of parking lot's are not an option, because I can't haul my medical scooter on back of rv because it only has a tongue weight of 400lbs and my lift and scooter weigh 475 combined. If I get a non electric lift I can use that and bring my weight down to 380lbbs
You should always back into spots no matter what vehicle you have,it’s much more safer in a parking lot area.
I worked for one of the biggest asphalt companies on the east coast if not the country and they have a don't back up safety policy unless you have a spotter!
Understood I’m referring to cars and 1/2ton pick ups
Not commercial trucks,I drive for a living also 30 years in the trucking business when I go to a mall or any parking lots I back in,just make life simpler pulling out without cars trying to get around you when your backing out into a aisle!
That’s all I was referring too
@@shawnwitten6398 even their office people! Which is a huge number! It's sad how many people can't back up using their mirrors
@@shawnwitten6398 I used to know the numbers but something like 90 percent of insurance claims are from small back up parking lot fender benders.
@@paulcondie2520guess I have an advantage since I have been using the mirrors since I first started driving
Growing up my dad always had dually trucks. So I really like the way they look.
Excellent video JB! Safety and Stability is unmatched with the dually pickups vs single rear wheel pickups. Towing heavy loads with todays dually pickup trucks puts you at ease and makes the trip much more comfortable.
Normally not a Chevy guy but that black truck looks sick
You nailed it on the how the dually’s ride!
I owned a 93 Chevy Silverado Dooley with a big block. It absolutely loved the truck. I drove it everywhere. There absolutely is limitations but you learn quick.
I purchased a 3500 Ram Laramie dually in September of 23. I tested 2 regular 3500 Rams, and the dually rode smoother (mine has the non air leaf springs). I have recently found 2 drive-through car washes that can take dually trucks. They have a different converor system, which does not have the side channel rails. Sooo, I really like owning a dually, especially when we're towing our 5th wheel!!!
Great content .I appreciate your point of view.
Thanks, some very good advice!!
JB! While you're correct that 26k+ GCWR vehicles need CDL, you miss that said vehicles have to be operated commercially. I, as joe schmo rv'er operating at GCWR of 38k, don't need CDL since I'm using it for personal reasons, not commercial. (And YES, dually is definitely required! Great content, as usual!)
Not necessarily. This depends on the state too. I would say just check your state laws.
Some states require a non-commercial version of a class A or B license if over 26K GCWR to ensure these private owners have some competency to operate something this big. They can get someone killed as easily as a commercial operator
Yep, rv, and farm use are exempt!
Great Video Thanks For The Information.
I love my 22 Denali 3500 dually I have a 23 North Point and it tow it well, but I would agree with you as far as going to different places in it. I had to go up to Seattle hospital to visit a good friend of mine and man going there the spaces are tight and with the high riser and the parking garage, I was so glad that I told my 23 Chevy Trailblazer but other than that I wouldn't want to give up my dually.
Love my 2022 Ram dually... I am a truck driver, so the small amount of bumpy ride doesn't bother me at all and it's actually not bad IMO. I do have a smaller vehicle for running around town and back and forth to work. Nothing beats owning a dually though, they are a real truck and drive like one as well...,
Good video, this is why i have a 20 3500 limited mega cab for hauling, a FJ cruiser for the mountains and a 22 TRX for hauling butt! Best of all worlds, i love my 3500, but prob am to spoiled to have to daily drive it, my daily is the Fj
My gross combination weight on my 2023 3500 hd single wheel is 29,700 lbs. I'll never not buy a dually again. If your gonna buy a 1 ton truck you might as well get a dually. Most of the issues you explained are not issues. There are a lot of car washes that you can go through. As far as ride you buy a truck to use not for super comfort. I always back into a spot regardless of what I drive. As far as a dually parking take two spots every time no one get mad about it because they can see it doesn't really fit in one spot. Most sing wheel trucks barely fit in parking spaces. As far as tire ware duals will last longer than a single rear weal. Thanks for the time put into the video. I don't think most people need a 1 ton truck in general. A 3/4 ton will take care of most people. For towing anything the benefit of a dually is the stability.
The same comment regarding pulling in/backing in also applies to my SRW F-350
My wife drives a very low mileage 2021 RAM Megacab dually. It’s perfect for us, even easy to park and also drive thru’s.
I do wish FORD and CHEVY/GMC would offer a similar build to the shortbed megacab though.
You nailed it on the how the dually’s ride. I have owned or do own a 17,19,20,23 HO 450 duallys ,22HO 3500 Ram ,21 3500 GM dually. GM has the ride down ,Ford is second place and Ram is horrible riding. Everyone that rode in the Ram said their back hurt after a 20 min ride.
RAM 3500 with rear air is way better than leaf only. The real problem, IMO, is the GARBAGE seats that have replaced the earlier seats with better support and cushion materials. My good friend with a 24 F350 Lariat Ultimate diesel dually prefers the ride of my 15 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn... After driving his truck 792 miles to help him move, me too! Lol. Regardless, a 1-ton is a truck for work and designed around having a load in the bed.
@@robv4053 I had max tow package in my 22 HO. It had air and it was horrible riding unless I had my 30 ft PJ freighted then that’s where the Ram would shine. My 23 HO powerstroke has the max recline seats and they’re by far the most comfortable seat I’ve ever sat in. Still that said my 21 3500 DMAX rides the best and it has a 6 inch lift.
I tried an 18 ram dually for a while, it drove like a car, super smooth
My '23 GMC 2500HD is road trips only, around town the Buick Encore is made to order!
I tow 5 to 7 days a week with my dually and its literally always hooked up to a trailer. I will always own a dually for towing but they are not a grocery getter and they don't claim to be.
Very good points to consider. Here in PA the registration just went up on my SRW 3500 to $400/yr. Ouch! They lump you in with 14k dually's if your truck is over 11k gvwr. The government is capitalizing on the popularity of RV's. The cost of the registrations on the trailers are still reasonable in my opinion. That will be next.
CDL is commercial, you dont need a CDL towing private over 26,000 pounds. Some states may require a Class A endorsement to a normal driver's license for 26,001. Utah is not one of those states.
Tommy’s is all over the US. Great way to clean. They use a belt system vs. rollers.
JB - great video. Might be time for you to get a cdl. If you're going to do big truck reviews if would be nice to see you haul a heavy load and get tour thoughts.
It wouldn’t even matter about how heavy he would be towing. It’s all about what the truck and trailer is rated for and if it’s being used for commercial use.
So any combination of truck and trailer that exceeds 26,000 GCWR and the trailer has a GVWR 10,000 or more would require a class A cdl. This is for commercial use only though. Not private use. Cdl laws are federal. Not just state specific.
So for example, his previous SRW Ram 3500 with a 12,100 GVWR towing a 14,000 GVWR trailer would require a class A cdl for commercial use.
His previous 14,000 GVWR dually towing a 12,000 GVWR trailer would not require a class A cdl for commercial use.
A truck with a GVWR of 26,000 towing JBs enclosed trailer with its 9,950 GVWR would also not require a class A cdl even for commercial use.
I have f350 and a f550 , I back both of them in all the time when it comes to parking. but yes I first look for a pull through spot . When it comes to towing buy more truck than you need , You might be able to pull your load but can you safely stop it? That the way we roll here in NJ.
Another note with dually truck.. be care what shop you use to rotate your tires. We had a local shop destroy 4 of our 6 wheels taking the tire off the wheel. They told us their guy who does dually wheels was out so I guess they just let someone else wing it.. and he didn’t stop after he destroyed the first one.. they paid for new wheels but still it was a pain to deal with.
I had a dealer destroy my aluminum wheels. They turned the wheels backwards instead of. Breaking the tires off the wheels to rotate.
I have a 23 Ram 5500 CC crew cab with an 12 foot service body bed and a pipe rack wich is a lot bigger than your standard 8' reg dually bed, we go through drive thru's easy, McD's, Waterburger, some Starbucks etc, i guess it depends on the driver and how the drive thru is set up. Having the 5500 makes turning very easy because of the wider axle, i can almost make a u turn as easy as my chevy 2500 short bed
Uuuuhuu ......tell'em
That's the problem people just can't drive.
Good review.
They're good for pulling horse trailers or large lawn service trailers etc
If you think or know you are going to tow most of the time yes get a dually.
Most new SWR will get you by but most new campers are heavier than they used to be.
I don’t tow as much as I used to so I don’t really need a 3500 but because I know I could need it in the future because of bills. That 3500,4500,5500,6500 will pay for itself in the first year or two.
If you find yourself looking for a truck, buy the trailer, Fifth Wheel, bed camper you want first then buy the truck. Because most sales people don’t care about what you have or what you need, you just a dollar sign to them. For instance brand new Toyota tundra towing a three axle fifth wheel, good thing for run away ramps
There is an old saying “don’t buy too much truck”. If you need that payload or pulling capability even occasionally there are no other choices. If you do not need the capabilities then you are probably compromising more than you think.
I have a 1 ton pickup and it sets in the barn unless I have something big to haul or pull. I drive a Ford Maverick hybrid. 40 mpg of gas that cost $1 a gallon less than diesel. And the tires cost 1/4 as much. And that Maverick will haul a big load of air just as good as a Dodge.
Love my F450..big def.from 3500..INS about same.but if u get low power cab and chassis go up about $35 to 45.mo.thats with. SF
You do not need a CDL unless it's for commercial use. Recreational use does not require a CDL. These single rear wheels 3500/350 are capable of towing large 5th wheels and mines a daily driver so no dully for me. I have a triple axle toy hauler and my srw f350 or my ram 3500 srw barley broke a sweat
Weight is only part of the equation. The insurance ends up being cheaper for the dually because they are not stolen near as much. It's not exactly what thieves have in mind when they are looking for a vehicle to take for a joyride.
I've owned the same dually for over 10 years. It's great for towing anything but I'm tired of the inconveniences. I'm seriously considering a chevy 6.6 gas. I rarely tow more than 12000lbs. Most of the time, it's less. I would love a newer cummins but I couldn't stomach all that emissions crap
Good content 👊🇺🇸👊 Cheers from Alaska AK49
Per the owner's manual, Ford does not recommend rotating the back dual tires. I have 48,000 mi on the current set of tires and I have never rotated them and they have never worn unevenly. I rotate the front only at normal intervals
Great info! I ll take it to heart 👍🏾
Great information , great Video!
Thanks bro!
I haul heavy, either 42' 5th wheel or heavy 32' gooseneck all the time with my SRW 2004 LB-7 Duramax. Yes I go WAY over stock RAWR BUT I have the highest rated tires made and Timbrens. Proven setup for 100s of thousands of miles. My truck is the old extra cab 4 door and I don't want any of the new longer, higher wider trucks. My truck still looks show room new inside and out and will tow anything anywhere any of the new ones will and maybe better in many ways.
Just don't encourage stupidity. Timbrens don't increase the rating of the axle they just help improve the ride. Unless you have upgraded your axle the transmission and the brakes an older truck would never out perform a new truck. Bigger rear end gears more gears in the transmission and much bigger brakes in the new trucks makes pulling heavier much safer. I just hate seeing people with a small or underrated truck think they can tow anything then get into an accident. I actually hate how the big three try to out tow the others. Being able to tow 30-40,44k pounds sounds cool. But you have to be able to control and stop that weight when your truck only weighs 7-10k good luck stopping 30-40k in an emergency. Your putting all your trust into your trailer breaks.
I agree with many of your statements but the RAWR is based on the combined factory tire ratings on my truck, same axle and brakes as the new ones, either 2500 or 3500. The stopping on trailers is all about having proper trailer brakes and controller setting and taking the time to properly setup and TEST them often. Majority of these new truck owners have no clue what they are doing which is scary. I am not advocating anyone do like I do, rather randomly commenting why I refuse to pay them crazy prizes for the new emission problem trucks.@@simpleman4196
The rear ends on the 2500 and 3500 are the same. The transmissions are the same. 3500 does have bigger brakes. The transmission in my 07 duramax was stronger than my 17 duramax. The reverse gear is stronger in the 17. I don't see where he is pulling 40000 pounds. I agree. Don't pull more than you can stop safely.
@@toddfry7861 yes they are the same I mean from an 2004 to today's trucks the rear end is bigger. As far as the transmission the new 10 speed pulls a lot better than a 4 or 6 speed.
@simpleman4196 what did they change in the rear end?
my 07' RAM dually rode better than my 11' 2500 Silverado, ...there really is no cut and dry answer for these questions. I have ordered a truck with cloth seating, because it was way more comfortable than the leather, maybe just more flexible, but for my rear end it was comfy. After selling what we needed the dually for , I did send it down the road because I just didn't want to daily that large truck, i sure liked having it though.
I have a 2020 Silverado 2500 and my trailer is a Keystone Avalanche 312rs. Its unloaded pin weight is 2530lbs and 11,500lbs curb weight unloaded with a GVWR of 16K..... Can I get away with my 2500? Or do I need to get a 3500. If so, DRW?
A CDL is only necessary for over 26000 payload, which is why you don't need one with U-Haul trucks, or if the truck has air brakes.
Cdl is only necessary for commercial, some states require an endorsement on a regular license if over 26k
Tradewisetv I’ve stated the one ton (2013 Chevy 3500) I drove for 6 yrs had a 12’ royal contractors bed, 8’ long top side tool boxes, over the cab lumber rack with 7 or 8 pieces of 1-1/“x4x8 plywood on top, 100 gal fuel tank in the back, a generator mounted in the back, a wacker compactor and lots of tools. That truck weighed over 14,500lbs, straight truck, no trailer. Over 330,000 miles over hills 5-6 days a week! All original equipment except tires and brake pads. No uneven tire wear, no steering shakes. Greased ball joints at every service interval. Your “27 yrs of hardscape experience” doesn’t matter. As degeneration x has said “suck it”
Man I am looking to buy a dually and for a long time I wanted the F450 but the 2023 RAM limited dually looks so amazing that now I can’t even look at the f450.
The gmc sierra exterior is nice up front but the rear is not anything special. With all this said, aren’t there some suspension kits for the ram to make it softer ?
You can check out CJC off-road, I’ve heard that their kits help with the ride
@@JB_WhoWork bro I appreciate you and all the work you do.
Dually FTW!!!
you can use a single 19.5 wheel with a 6k rating on each side and 6k rated tire a 265 70r19.5 is 6k rated tire
I avoid drive thrus even with my SRW 3500. I've never been a big fan of them anyway, would rather park and just wait inside while they waste my time instead of sitting there wasting gas.
Hey. Buy what you like but unless you need it. It’s not realistic. If it’s a status thing for you. Do your damn thing. 😂. For work. I have a 2022 gmc 2500 utility body. I’ve added more boxes on top because the single wheel boxes are somewhat narrow. It’s loaded to the gills. Welding machine. Boxes full of tools. Job box full of tools. Probably maxed out all day on payload but the truck is solid as a rock. I wouldn’t want the dually. Don’t need it. I tow my 8500 lb boat trailer with my tundra.
As long as it's a chevy your fine because they are the best
I love my daily Dually
When you rotate tires on a dually: the front tire goes on the inner rear, the inner rear goes to the outter rear and the outter rear goes to the front. No need to dismount a tire from a wheel.
Unless of course GM did some did some dumb 💩 like use a steel inner wheel and an alloy outter. (Becasue we all know how important chrome is to a fake trucker 😂)
Being someone that drives a 30+ft work truck everyday i haven't found a single drive threw i can't make threw and yes its a Duly parking is only hard because its to long for all parking spots that aren't made for trucks with trailers as for the ride all the modern trucks drive better then most cars do because car reporter thinks every vehicle should be a sports car
The car wash issue always came to mind for me . And the duelly to get it washed nope ! It’s to be done by the owner. And parking is always an issue .
While it may not be true that dually can tow more, it definitely can do more payload. While someguy in the comments neeeded and has 30 years with duallys, its not necessary to need 3 decades to know something simple as tires costing more due to buying 2 more or less swaying single compared to dually.i myself dont have a dually and i dont need one to know that. Also from owners around me they do say it has better turning radius than single lets say to a parking space, you can turn more. You dont need a dually to know little common sense like that specially if you are in them and have watched a decent amount of reviews on them.
I wont be driving a dually as much as i want to because i wouldn't be able to haul any decent size equipment. And having a cdl requires way too much bull****
I thought a CDL was only a requirement for commerce not private use
Nope, anything over the 26k is a cdl
You are correct. CDL is as it’s name suggest for commercial use.
Depends on the state
I saw a video of another RUclipsr who was towing a gooseneck and got cited for being over 26k GCWR and needed a CDL to operate. It seems to be state specific though
Cdl is commercial only, some states require an endorsement for 26,001 and higher. I'm in Utah, not required, therefore I can tow over 26k in all 50 states.
For some reason, my Ram 3500 dually rides almost as smooth as the newer half tons.
Well that’s because you are running 37’s and the best suspension money can buy 😂😂😂
Talking about insurance then saying State Farm doesn’t help State Farm is not a good insurance nor do they keep your safety in mind just their bottom dollar and making record profits
*Alignments on dually are "dually specific" (quite a few tire/alignment shops do NOT cater to DRW) 👍🏾
I take two spots with my dually, I park at an angle so I can reverse easily, been doing this for two decades lol,
My dually was a daily driver for 10 years....
Where is your seatbelt
I thought he was white until he turned the camera 😂 great video.
I call bullshit on the cdl ! you only need a commercial license to haul in commerce. In a handful of states you need an endorsement on your regular license and you can drive anything you want for personal use.
You drive somewhere in your pajamas???
Did you ever go to church and wonder if the preacher was talking specifically about you?😂
Well you have a RAM so you’re ok 😂
@@JB_WhoWork shew😂
And you NEED to ALWAYS wear your SEATBELT.. whether it be a Dually or not…
Sounds like your driving your dually like its a car. Its not. A work truck! Or super nice towing truck. Not everyday driver for ppl not needing one.
No dumpbed on it don't need it in truck
He means don't level a dually and put 37s on it
😂😂😂 That’s the only way I will own another, leveled on 37’s
Go ahead and buy a dually. But make sure you have other vehicles that are more practical to drive.
Dually are worth it I wouldn't go under
Tell us you didn't grow up with duallys, and dont know how to drive them, and bitch about parking them, and havnt pulled weird/heavy/overloaded/odd shaped trailers for 1200 miles without actually telling us... good god the stupid fuckin shit on the internet these days is mind boggling. Heyy..you know what..you're right. Keep this information going as it will keep the prices of duallys down for people that actually use and need them!
Who would buy a dully except someone who absolutely had to have one?
You should never take your vehicle to any car wash ever! You should always hand wash.
Lmao bro I can pull a semi truck which is bigger,taller,and wider than your truck in any parking space. And no I don't back in. This comes from exp as you will get over time. Dually trucks and bigger are meant for pulling and working. That's the point of these trucks. Short bed trucks ride rough the longer the truck the less rough it is . Ride wise
Up here in communist Canada, you need to get a safety check done every year on a dually pick up
More like "you should not buy any Ford, Chrysler, and Gm." They are all over priced and the quality control is horrible.
If your truck is registered private or personal, your weight and trailer type doesn’t matter, tow what ever trailer you want no cdl or stoping at the scales
This isn’t the case in all states
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Two words. Car wash.
its a brand new dealer truck. and winter. there not gnna wash it constanly until its sold
When I lived in Columbia, S.C. a new car wash opened with a moving track, not the usual kind, and they did duallies. It was the first i ever saw, and I haven't seen another anywhere.@@chrisseglem3300
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I have watched hours of your videos. And after this one, I need to speak up. You have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m not going to pull a 45’ Platinum coach with a single wheel short box because it’s easier to park at McDonald’s.
People that use trucks as tools and not props for views, please don’t listen to this man.
Couldn't agree more.This is a click bate channel, mountain of misinformation , talked thru his A** because his mouth knows better.But we keep watching it ,entertaining !
This guy knows absolutely nothing
Damn, that truck is ugly.
WTF CARES???