Underpaid UK Doctors Flee Health System in Crisis
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- Опубликовано: 30 май 2023
- Long hours, poor compensation and understaffed hospitals. Junior doctors in the UK are asking for a 35% pay increase in the biggest wave of strikes since the 1980s.
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My friend was a Junior Doctor in the NHS. She was making about £25,000 a year with overtime. On top of that, she was paying back her student loans, she had to pay out of pocket for courses or additional qualifications to specialise.
She left the NHS, left the UK too & took her skills to Dubai.
More pay, better quality of life, & her mental health has improved.
These are the same people that we were clapping for in 2020. We should absolutely be paying them more. If the UK doesn’t want to, that’s fine but let’s not expect the NHS to get better. 🤷🏾♀️
Then she's lying to you. consultants are in the top 5% of earners as they start in the £80,000 a year ballpark. In Foundation training, doctors will earn a basic salary of £29,384 to £34,012 (top 43% => top 33% of UK wages). Doctor starting specialist training have a basic salary will be £40,257 to £53,398. (top 25% => top 13% of UK wages).
That what happend with many junior doctors. Senior doctors after Basic training and specialisation. Can make quite a lot off money in the UK often more then in other places in Europe. That might be part of the issue still junior doctors pay is to low.
Some doctors return to the UK at a senior level, but the UK really needs more junior doctors.
@@maxwellflitton3973 But she said her friend was a junior doctor, not a consultant. Maybe I'm not understanding how this works, since I'm in the US.
@@maxwellflitton3973 none of that is impressive for a 50 hour work week even for blue collar work, especially after tax & deductions is factored. No consultant is taking home 80k, more like 50, & no FY1 is taking home 29k, more like 21.
What is your job?
@@maxwellflitton3973 Unfortunately, ~£88,000 - £119,000 is not an appropriate salary for, say, a consultant orthopedic surgeon. That simply is not in line with that other English-speaking employers are offering, domestically or abroad. This also applies to NHS nurses and junior doctors.
In Latvia, we solve this problem differently. My wife is a doctor (neurologist) who studied for 10 years at university including residency. One of the Latvian cities offered to repay her student loan if, after obtaining her diploma, she would be willing to sign a contract with the city's hospital for at least five years. When the diploma was obtained, we moved to live in another city. As a bonus, the municipality gave us a large four-room apartment without rent, where we only have to pay utility and management fees. As another bonus, the Ministry of Health of the country paid the wife an allowance of several thousand euros for the fact that she went to work at the regional hospital from the capital. As far as I know, the hospital where my wife works does not have a medical staff and does not plan to quit her job or move to work in another country!
Sounds like Soviet Union. Labi.
@@seiwarriors Jealous much?? I wish we had that kind of compassion here in England!
@@SevenEllen Overpaid NHS employees with gold plated pensions do not need compassion.
cool
@@taffyterrier If you really thought the NHS was paid that much you'd apply for it yourself but you're just full of it. Tory voter.
My wife works as an ICU nurse night shift in Bay Area California (32hrs a week, 4 nights) and makes over 150k/year. I am shocked to see they make so less in the UK as a physician.
The Bay area is super expensive. That salary is not high given cost of living. That same Bay area salary probably works out to about 65k in pounds outside of London and the big cities.
@@vmoses1979 $120k in Utah where the cost of living is much lower and lower taxes.
@nightmark2120 ironically successive UK governments (Conservatives) have been gutting the NHS in the UK to move it towards the US model of paid health care.
This issue is primarly for junior doctors, consultants make over 100,000 POunds or even 200,000 pounds.
You have to consider the high cost of living in the bay area too.
@@vmoses1979I moved to LA to work. Id say the 120k I earn feels like being on 70-80k back home.
Both my wife's parents were nurses for over a decade in the NHS, then left to come to America for better pay. Hearing them speak about it, the difference in quality of life and pay in incredible.
I think that might be because health professionals in general are paid better in the US because patients/health insurers are charged a lot more.
I'm happy for your in-laws
@@aperson2730 no it's entirely a decision made by the Government based on their political whim.
Contributions towards paying for it are likewise political whim & there are entire classes of people who pay nothing at all, generally very wealthy people who would not notice contributing a small proportion.
Although the pay is definitely more, have they compared it with the big differences in annual leave, sick leave, etc. Not to mention all the problems America is facing now, I don't even view it as a place worth for a better life. There are much better places in Europe or developing countries.
The UK is an anomaly within socialised healthcare countries. Australia, NZ, Canada, and much of continental Europe has both high salaries and quality of life for doctors, while maintaining an efficient and budget-friendly healthcare system. The NHS is a disaster.
@@nazgual11able Depends on where you are. America is a big place. Seems to me the UK has much bigger problems overall. Certainly from an economic standpoint. Yes, we pay more for health care, but the quality of the care is better in America. I've never had to wait for healthcare. Taxes are obviously lower here as well and inflation is 5% not 10%.
Where the £300 millions healthcare fee per week promised by Boris Johnson during Brexit campaign have gone ?
Exactly where is all this promised „prosperity“ with brexit and leaving the EU? it only got worse
@@Syae22 believe me, you're much better out of the EU
@@r3dp1ll who are you kidding?
@@r3dp1ll "Believe me"?
@@r3dp1ll why should anyone believe you when plentiful evidence contradicts your claim?
Are you a Russian bot?
Never stay where u are not appreciated financially
Doctors are overpaid.
I worked for the NHS for 10 years. The pay review bodies are a joke. So I left and made a ton of money in private pharmaceutical companies
So you are the one with all my cash from the drug companies random anti medicine people tell me about. I wondered where it was and couldn't see it under the couch.
Please let me join you!
How the U.K. Became One of the Poorest Countries in Western Europe
Britain chose finance over industry, austerity over investment, and a closed economy over openness to the world.
U.K. is now an object lesson for other countries dealing with a dark triad of deindustrialization, degrowth, and denigration of foreigners. Having offshored industry in favor of finance, its economy wasn’t resilient
That’s a great summary 👍
They also chose to mistreat high-value essential workers and prioritise low-value employees creating an anti-intellectual society that fails to appreciate those holding its infrastructure together
step it up
‘Denigration of foreigners’- illegal migrants are put up in hotels in the Uk at the taxpayers expense. The problem is that the Uk has made itself unattractive to the right kind of foreigner ( the skilled one who would earn a high wage and pay high taxes) and attractive to the unskilled one who cannot speak the language and will drain the public purse….
Vote with your feet NHS workers, protest, strike and leave to get your fair due's.
It's so sad to have to say that but it's gone on too long !
NHS doctors are overpaid.
When you step back and realise an intern in asset management gets paid more than a fully qualified doctor in NHS, you know that's an issue with UK's health system. The amount of money stolen during COVID to dodgy contracts with politician's friends, family and pets plus dodgy COVID loans can used for multiple times to pay for these well deserved HCPs. You can't blame most of them moving into private practice or corporate jobs as we simply not paying them enough.
NHS doctors are overpaid.
The problems were the same before covid.
@@taffyterrier how much would you pay for a plumber? Why do you expect to pay your colorectal surgeon so much less?
@@paxundpeace9970 it's true, the government was failing before COVID, the winter of 2019 was one of the worst in the history of the NHS, then the government used COVID to hide behind while continuing to fleece the tax payer. Now they cannot use it any more they are stiffing workers, blocking all other routes of recourse then using the inevitable strikes as a reason that the waiting lists are so long.
Just know, the government sold off our PPE, paid people who were friends and donors but didn't know how to do the job high contract fees rather than public health services that did, then told you that the junior doctors were greedy.
If this is such a market led government, then why do they still want to retain monopoly employer status?
@@taffyterrierthis simpleton has commented on every post.. government mouthpiece.
Thanks for showing this, i really liked the way this explainer had been done, very personal but still detailed and filled with critical facts about junior doctors pay.
Our Nurses from Kenya are now replacing them and we're now getting bad news about them committing suicide
I am stunned that physicians in the UK make 40000 per year. Is this a dang joke? WTH are they thinking?
£40,000 in their first year after graduation - their income rises sharply every year thereafter.
@@taffyterrier£29000 in their first year after graduating. The woman in the video making £40,000 said she’s been a junior doctor for 4 years. That’s not a sharp rise at all.
@@louisew7065 £29,000 basic plus £11,000 in overtime, night shift allowances and weekend enhancements = £40,000 in their first year after graduating.
@@taffyterrierright, overtime- so weekends, nights, nights during weekends, bank holidays, often 1:3-1:4 weekends through training which can last 10-15 years.
You are comparing someone who works 48 hours a week which is 'full time' for junior doctors, and gives up weekends with someone who works 37.5-40 hours and does not need to work weekends.
If you compared salaries of workers who work those shifts during weekends in the private sector, the difference is night and day.
Fundamentally, doctors aren't worth 25% less than they were in 2008, and we lose over 15% of the cohort every year, and don't replace all of them through immigration, so you end up with 9000/80000 doctors missing from the workforce. Saying doctors get paid enough is a moot point when so many are leaving. This doesn't even cover the brain drain of skilled doctors getting offered better jobs outside the NHS and the cost to the NHS of losing those valuable skills and training. Why even train doctors?
Also, FY1s, even with the most horrendous rota wouldn't make £40k unless they pick up locum shifts which take up even more weekends/days off.
Malaysia is experiencing similar problems as well.
I'm not working in healthcare, but I think a heard consistently that the more serious issue is burnout and understaffing, but they can only strike about pay. If I understand it correctly, they are expected to make such extreme overtime and work so hard to make up for missing staff, that the compensation for it is unfair. Staffing shortages are management issues, and that is the responsibility of the government to solve, and not just to hide behind an advisory body. There were promises paid that were not kept, but given the Partygate scandals, we can see how seriously the govt takes healthcare...
Nurses are under staffed too
And whats funny is the NHS is superior to the HSE the Irish health system. We rank no. 1 in the OECD for the number of doctors we export and no.1 for the number of doctors we import.
Perfectly balanced as all things should be😅
But yeah, this proves that only people who come from worst conditions can be happy working with the NHs
That's mostly an english speaking issue. you can transfer in and out quite easily
Just pure propaganda with NHS...with no.1...Nordic health care system is far better 😉
Uk health care is shocking
Its not worth it. My wife is a gp doctor we decided soon to look into opportunity overseas specially Australia looks attractive. When doctors are paid less it mean they are not valued and taken for granted.
Doctors pay has increased.
I live in Maui, Hawaii and we have a general surgeon working here who is from the UK. He immigrated to the US some years back and came here a couple of years ago.
One of the few.
Look at the salaries of anyone in ADMINISTRATION and the payment differential becomes heart stopping
Nurses and doctors payment needs to be urgently addressed
Doctors are overpaid.
@@taffyterrier😂😂😂
@@bluesclues132 Doctors are overpaid.
@@taffyterrier whose underpaid then - 🤣
@@bluesclues132 Carers.
No different from the life of residents in US who have $300K debt at 7% interest from medical school education. You live hand-to-mouth 3-7 years. Most often, it is 7 years, as you are getting a fellowship after your primary residency.
@@JamesBond-io3ux How much are UK med school costs? Your med school costs are 12,000 pounds per year. That is nothing. Forgive me, but if you receive such a discount on education costs, your government has a right to pay you a reduced salary. Also, how much is your malpractice insurance after you graduate?
@@JamesBond-io3ux You have not been a student with $300K in debt yet for 7 years at 7% interest. Try it, see how you fare…
@@special1740 that’s for everyone in the uk, it’s not something special for doctors. No other jobs are punished for it
@@Bringon-dw8dx I did not understand at all what you just said…
@@special1740 American doctors are also not taxed at 45% when they eventually make it to attending, but they will earn at least 100% more. The argument that whatever package the NHS/Unis offer is equivalent to or better than X is irrelevant, doctors are leaving the UK for a reason.
And here I was being enticed to join the NHS with "it's the Noble thing to do ". Let me take care of chickens. They pay better than humans
In years gone by noble doctors never held the country to ransom.
america is an English colony
That’s is so sad
Why can't the ROYAL FAMILY sell some jewels and help???????????????????
😂😂
We the payers and patients are suffering the NHS has messed my life up
Worrisome
Sad
Come to the states. We need you. Just stay in the smaller cities and rural areas. My daughter is a registered nurse and makes much more than this Dr.
Moral of the story, why pay Britain-educated physicians a premium, when you can import Indian physicians from abroad, who are happy to work for low British salaries. A physician in India makes $1,000/month. Obviously, they are easy to poach to work in UK.
Excuse me, u should also keep in mind that cost of living in india is much much cheaper as compared to that in uk!
@@SurajShetty-cb6xu What difference does it make. Most physicians from India would happily work for British wages.
British salaries are among the highest in Europe.
America is full of English nobles actually
Medics there is no point striking. Literally falling on deaf ears. I say we just up and leave that is it. All at once in a years time would be better for maximum impact. That is only when the government will listen. They will take advantage as you have no other alternative but to work for them. Up and go! Leave, MAKE another way.
Don't woory. The NHS will poach foreign doctors, especially from developing nations.
Already happening. But even they won’t stay.
There are so many doctors and nurses from Nigeria, they are on 2 years contract, they just want UK experience and will move to Canada and they won’t stay 😅
hello
Sorry developing nations are no longer coming to the UK: They now go directly to US Canada NZ Australia and the UAE. Even Ireland pays x2 what UK pays their doctors. UK is broke. Period.
@Dragon-up6rb That's probably for the best. They lazy and have very little empathy for the patient. Communicating with them is a nightmare too.
When your student debt is inflation linked but your wages are not, it's going to hit harder every year. Junior doctors do not have permanent contracts, it's mostly fixed term contracts. You have to move frequently if you stay on a training scheme. Pay faults are frequent and your tax code is regularly messed up.
There are so many ways that the government could approach this without direct pay increases, to write off parts of the student loan for each year worked in the NHS etc.
They’re not going to do that- once you do that, where do you stop. Every civil servant would want their student loan payed off by the govt.
@@mnnh1 well maybe they should. Most of the civil servants are having compounded pay cuts. Why do we want underpaid people working in our passport offices? Why do we want underpaid police? Why have student loans gone up but lecturer pay gone down?
Doctors are overpaid.
@@taffyterrierdoctors will acrue a debt of £40k - £100k just for doing the course that is mandatory for training. The interest charged on this debt will increase with inflation. Doctors then have to pay out of pocket for all exams and all additional qualifications required for being able to apply to the next stage of training. They are made to rotate to different hospitals and areas every 3-4 months in the first 2 years, then they continue to rotate around hospitals during their higher training which means constantly moving. They literally have the responsibility of saving patients lives. They have to worm full time hours in a highly demanding job and study for their challenging exams. And you think they are paid too much? An F1 is on £29k you think that's too much? After years and and years a junior doctor in higher specialty training will get somewhere in the region of £50k, that is after sinking thousands of pounds into getting there, having more and more responsibility than most people will ever have and you think that is being overpaid?
** they don't move constantly during higher training, i meant they may have to move regularly. Which is still a massive inconvenience
The UK economy has been going down since 2009. Now with Brexit, it's in the pits. A huge amount of Trade's people, and professionals with a Degree, Bachelorhood or Doctorate have left the UK over the last 15 years, and now there is no one to replace them. Some have gone to Australia, Canada and the EU. You won't get them back.
Some…. but not many.
Australia, Canada and the EU can pick and choose.
And the US. I live in Arizona and I meet more and more brits here every day.
Allowing a union to control the providers, and a government monopoly on the system, means you have no choice and all prices and wages are centrally planned and do not reflect what people want.
The BMA union has no control over anything.
The only other place where this happens is Cuba...where doctors make less than taxi drivers...
on top of this, these ladies are all hitting the wall.
Wait til they figure out that they got deceived, gaslit and robbed by the elders in the profession. That will be a sight.
@@eloiinvestigates yes. but wait till the elders find themselves with a collapsed pension and welfare. thats going to be much sweeter.
@@888ssss Haha, we think alike. I agree, that's going to be sweet. Have you considered that they'll just retire in the Caribbean/ Rivieras, to avoid the chaos, a la Cameron et al.?
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Come to India..
UK Consultant salary starts around £90k, and rises to 120k after 20 years. Move to Canada, where you'll earn £260 to 470k (converted from CAD$). The NHS is abysmal. It's a prison. Get out.
You carnt even see a doctor on the nhs but if you go private it's a different story I wonder why 😂😂😂
Cost of living crisis thank you so much, my food waste has completely STOPPED, supermarket's ur becoming less less important💯👍 in my shopping , also food probably at the right price, stop all the greed waste 💋💯👍🇬🇧
Geldof will organize another live aid but this time it'll be for Brits.
Nhs should be dismantled and UK should follow health system like of USA.
Hahah that’s an absolute joke. The US’s health system is completely awful and also deeply immoral and disgusting for a country with such wealth. There us no reason our health system couldn’t be like the rest of the developed world apart from the USA.
no, wouldn't help.
It's almost already dismantled itself. And we can have private health care (insurance) if we want and go private. Some people already do. If I needed an operation and could afford to go private I definitely would.
@@chrishart8548 it should be completely dismantled so that government stops taking 10% NI tax on the name of funding NHS
I’ve heard a rumour from someone who escaped U.K healthcare before the crisis about 4 years ago, that the government had this on agenda for years because the American investors nudged them to defunct the NHS. The American private healthcare companies would then step in and fill their role, charging enormous fees as they did at home.
Its hard working in healthcare with computers.Patients with hidden cameras.
No mention of the pay for doctors or the pay relative to the average earned.
There is nothing average about saving your life. Inappropriate comparison.
I am a doctor in the uk, my pay is £14.08 an hour
It's so sad that after all their sacrifice and hard-work, they feel the need to emigrate to feel valued and get fair pay 😢
It's like the Conservatives are purposely running the country into the ground 😡
UK is small country, you cant afford immigrants and refugees.
Nobody gets a decent pay rise, except politicians, says it all
and doctors.
Just go to America and make 5x
Junior doctors are paid bad in the US too.
Cost of living is higher too.
Wish it was that easy. You are going to have to take all the four step exams and complete a residency training all over earning 12$/hr for a minimum of 3 to 7 years .
You have to be well educated to work as a doctor in America.
@@taffyterrierThe same as in this country?
@@freshtoast3879 No - British education has been dumbed down.
Would this have happened if there had been no Brexit?
Yes.
The NHS has had money sprayed on it, but no improvement. Blair shortened waiting lists by paying physicians to see patients privately.
2:16 Her base salary is only GBP40,000?
Excellent rate of pay for an apprentice trainee.
AND MASS MIGRATION JUST MAKE IT WORSE !
Where did the surplus money from brexit go?
Rishi Sunak from the Conservative Party - Delivering for Britain!
How sad some are committing suicide.
Scrap the NHS
To all those Doctors who left these shores for foreign lands, keep going, you won't be missed.
No other foreign lands are dumb enough to employ them.
You can thank Tories for this
Finally! A kindred spirit. :-) Thankyou.
the Tories have gone from incompetent to completely derelict in their duty
Striking doctors have derelicted their duty to patients.
The NHS is not built for making money.The American Medical System is. If the government does not raiase pay, then the defult is The American system,which is quite costly and would be better for healthcare workers.
NHS doctors are among the highest paid in Europe.
Meanwhile the Tories claim they are overpaid and ungrateful
NHS doctors are among the highest paid in Europe but provide one of the worst services in Europe. British taxpayers are getting poor value for money.
is it not about time this government transfered critical patiente to go abroad for less waiting time and more positive surgery rather then wait years in this country by which time you could of died. the tories have had 13 years of non productivty by looking after the rich not the economy i mean people used to blame labour for this and that but at least productivity was on the roll and utility bills where humane .
"junior doctor" is the same as "residency". I.e. she is a PhD candidate. She only graduated med school. And the thing is that she even refuses to do night shifts!! In many other countries she would be kicked out of the residency program immediately for such a refusal.
And she still complains about getting 'only' 40k GBp p.a. Many a resident would take such an offer immediately! Especially because she isnt even willing to put the hours in.
Look at how much money is raised by sin taxes like alcohol and tobacco, then look at health budgets. Then ask yourself, why these sin taxes aint directly tied to health spending instead of the coffers for vote buying legislation/infrastructure....
Money is fungible. Unless ALL items on a budget are paid by a specific tax, then NONE are. If you push sin taxes to health care in the future, they'll just reduce the other taxes that fund health care today.
It's more the point that the budget should surely be linked to the proportion of "sin taxes" raised
Loser Uk 😂
So 2:13 does that mean UK will soon be downgraded to a 'Developing Country'
China seems to be succeeding in its objectives of avenging the century of humiliation.
This is outright funny for me. Lol 😅
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Socialized health care does not work.
You are wrong. Counterexample: Australia. Doctors are some of the highest paid and most skilled in the world, and healthcare is basically socialised. Sure, there’s no free lunch, but socialised healthcare can definitely work.
Correct, this is the eventual state of all socialized healthcare systems.
It actually does work very well, both in developed and developing countries. The NHS has been politicised that's why it is in such a state. Also, all the UK political parties are more intent on saving the bankers & capitalists in crisis situations rather than the common man.
Germany it does work, very well.
@@dreamfire5210 Outcomes are still better in the UK then in the US. thats while the US is spending twice as on healthcare. Still millions go without treatment
Joke .... so let docters be bus drivers
Could you trust them to drive a bus?
@@taffyterrierMy gosh, Taffy. I've seen a lot of your posts. You are very angry with something you experienced. I'm sorry that you have had bad experiences with junior doctors.
The issue is really the pay at Registrar level; it's simply not enough for the responsibility level. Registrars are also managers of their teams, and there is no extra pay for this very important skill. There are a lot of non-training registrar jobs, and these people do much of the work, without appropriate compensation.
The other issue is that the job is fairly s#!^, therefore the only thing keeping people in the system is decent pay. I personally don't believe that all specialities should be paid the same. This policy has caused a build-up of issues over time.
Isn't that what they do in Cuba? Or is it cab driving?
Italian hospital docters earn between €24,700 and €37,700 a year,(not including overtime pay),l cant remember the last time they went on strike for more pay.
Italy is cheap
You need brains to understand a countrys economy and finance. Unfortunately or fortunately you dont have one
@@ahmadsauyack2770 Doctors are economically illiterate.
No £100k student loans to service, no inflated rents rising faster than inflation but wages falling 30% over 15 years ( not everbody can live at home until they are 35 in the Uk)
@@mnnh1 Junior doctors wages have risen between 2008 and 2015.
Everyone needs more than their salary to be financial stable. The best thing to do with your money is to invest it rightly, because money left for saving always end up used with no returns.
You are absolutely right 👍
If you don't find a means of multiplying your money, you will wake up one day and realize that the money you thought you had, had been exhausted. Investment is a ladder to climb the financial wall.
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@@lukeben1596 cryptocurrency investment, but you will need a professional guide on that.
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If we can have immigration rule not to let people in, can we have a rule not to let people out?
Dismantle NHS and adapt American healthcare system for better pay for healthcare staff.
that would make it worse
They wanna fund war in other countries but not their own workers😂😂😂
This video is the perfect reason as to why the NHS needs to be privatised. The public finances can't afford 35% pay rise, so it's about time the market intervenes. Everyone wants more money and a nationalised health service can't pay its staff.
Also the government can afford it - they pay physician assistants who are less trained more money than doctors and plan on getting even more to fill the gaps in the system. They just want the nhs to fail.
@@readmeandsmile Doctors are overpaid.
2.5 BILLION EUROS FOR WAR IN UKRAINE. I THOUGHT BREXIT SAVE NHS 350 MILLION POUNDS A WEEK.
Because you all are not hardworking doctors !😂
Go to the USA!!!
The USA has standards and is selective.
@@taffyterrier "Has standards" Excuse me?? Are you being racist and/or insulting??
@@SevenEllen The USA is only interested in highly educated, properly trained, competent doctors which excludes the vast majority of British medics.
What’s happening to y’all over there in Europe?
UK is not in Europe.
Trumpism, albeit a bit less extreme...
@@kostasmira2933 Different problems in different parts of Europe. Want me to be more clear or….
@@kostasmira2933 then what continent is it in?? Europe yes, the EU no.
@@kostasmira2933 Yes it is
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Three(3) Reasons:
1) Overinvest in the Insurance policy which indefinitely increases the future medical cost, thereby increasing the current medical costs and medicine costs... and reducing the incentives to provide a real service...
2) Actuaries/Retirement Fund Managers are earning the easy and dump money to estimate the future wrongly and let the existing doctors fix the actual problem because the budget is no longer in the health system.
3) Health Monitoring System is non-existent. However, scams like healthy food supplement, health insurance, finance tech are everywhere... The investment for your actual health is non-existent.
The Western World has deceived and is deceived for almost 50 years...
You need to open your eyes...
Now, you just witness some symptoms that the society is getting sick...
This is just the beginning...
It's funny how all they talk about are percentages but never actual numbers... could it be because if they said how much those people are earning people would think that it makes no sense at all for the to be complaining so much?
Hi, I’m a doctor in the uk. I’m paid £14.08 an hour.
The government offered a 5% pay rise, which would be 70p
@@Bringon-dw8dx
How much do you earn early?
Where do you live?
How many years of work experience do you have?
@@rafae5902
I Don’t have a yearly salary because we are forced to move jobs every 4 months so hours vary, but the pay remains £14.08 an hour which means base pay is 28k.
There is a blanket pay in the uk for junior doctors, other then a tiny uplift in London. So everyone is paid the same regardless of where you live, it’s the downside of having a monopoly employer.
To help explain the experience question here is the pay scale (per hour)
5-8 years education you obviously pay for (which usually includes around 2 1/2 years experience on the wards, 1 year being more like an apprentice role although you still pay for it)
FY1 14.08
FY2 16.31
ST1/2 19.3
ST3/4/5 24.46
ST6+ 28 (minimum 8 years experience if you were blessed enough to go up by one each year)
@@Bringon-dw8dx
Thanks for the info.
So a ST6+ earns 28 per hour.
Would it be around 54k year?
The base does seem low for a doctor with 8+ years of work experience.
How much would it go up if he lived in London?
What about other benefits?
I've heard that doctors get a really nice pension?
@@Bringon-dw8dxhow many hours per week do you work? Also, if you knew the pay rates for being a doctor in the UK, them why didn't you become something else instead?
She’s on 40k sterling pa that’s more than what most people make in the UK. Zero sympathy.
25K
Her debt to become a Dr saving lives and changing human lives for the better, with her hard work and training, is much much more than u can imagine with ur thick skull.🔥 💀
Most people in the uk haven’t lost 5-8 years of earning potential to education, they don’t have the costs of being a doctor
- yearly registration
- yearly insurance
- to pay for exams that usually cost upwards of £500 PER sitting (with the assumption being most applications fail a few times)
- being forced to move across the country to remain in training programmes (this can include being forced to move out of your own home with your wife/husband to completely across the country). Sometimes you can be moved every 4 months to places that are not commutable each other. Moving this often has significant financial costs (not to mention the horrible psychological consequences I’ve seen).
- to pay for expensive courses, conferences etc that are needed for your portfolio to keep progressing
And remember that pay is likely based on the NHS full time contract (48 hours), not a standard 37 hours.
@@drsajidahkhanrainbowchildr9991 Doctors take lives.
Over paid doctors cant even get an appiontment Nhs is crashing
What do you think their pay should be out of curiosity? Do you think their landlords allow them to use ‘claps’ to pay the rent
@Bringon-dw8dx not at all but when they are still being payed from nhs and per patient and is impossible to see a doctor they are over paid I now have stage 4 cancer because I couldn't get to see a doctor only a nurse that was 4 weeks apart went private but too late plus most doctors in my area own the property
@@ajw1467 I’m sorry for your diagnosis but it is NOT the fault of doctors.
There are no doctors and wait times are long BECAUSE the pay is bad. Therefore it is the government fault.
If pay was higher there would be more doctors and you would have been seen faster. What has happened to you is wrong, and happens to too many people, and increasing doctors pay is one of the ways we can’t help prevent i happening to others.
@Bringon-dw8dx and where is the money coming from ? Higher taxes wake up they aren't doing much they don't see patients anymore it's just a nurse then wait weeks or months and then a letter for 3 months time to see a consultant then that was cancelled twice
@@ajw1467 you clearly did not read my comment. There are less doctors. This does NOT mean they are not seeing patients, in fact doctors are seeing MORE patients then ever. But it means more people are waiting because there are less staff.
And the pay increase would come from taxes. The government continues to waste money on a multitude of projects.
The government not paying doctors properly is WHY you have to wait so long to see them
Sorry, no sympathy, im a BMA Financial adviser and everyone is on 40k plus....YOU WONT BE A JR DOC FOREVER, NHS salaries increase extremely quickly + all other benefits like decent DB pension
You have no idea what the conditions are like for doctors working on the ground and regardless of whether you won’t be a junior doctor forever, Consultants in this country are also grossly underpaid for the work that they do.
@@H20x3 NHS consultants are grossly overpaid.
This comment needs to be upvoted more.
@@taffyterrier not by market standards
@@H20x3 NHS doctors are among the highest paid in Europe but provide one of the worst services in Europe.
If only the US MSM would have the Guts to talk about socialized medicine but sadly it is crickets 😥
Found the cuck. Your too ignorant to realize the conservative government have been defunding the NHS.
The UK NHS is fantastic value for money. How much does an aspirin cost in a USA hospital?
@@logik100.0 because it exploits & underpays its staff
@@CraigTheBrute-pf8zh
It as in the government.
@@CraigTheBrute-pf8zh That is an issue. It cuts out the insurance providers and the billing departments in a hospital. you don't have doctors constantly fighting with insurance
If they are underpaid in one of the highest paying professions in the UK how come everyone else can survive?
They are not underpaid.
@@taffyterrier No, they are underpaid. It's why, you know, they're complaining about not being paid enough. They are paid less now than they were in 2010 - for more work which is done under worse conditions.
I don't know what exactly you think the money saved by penny pinching the people who look after our health would be better spent on?
for the amount of work they do its underpaid. why take student loans, study for years, undergo extreme mental and physical stress, pay out of pocket for exams, registrations and indemnities, when you can scrub toilets and make more or less the same income?
@@95cobhc = GASLIT BY BMA BULLSH*T
Ok lady so how many doctors have committed suicide? Because you just made it sound so bad that doctors are suffering so much on their 40k starting salaries that a huge chunk of them are taking their own lives
the tax skin here is 46% with student loans, NI, lower rate tax, Pension....then another 20% vat and 10% council tax, then the 80% fuel tax etc etc.....lucky to eat fresh food !
@@flyinghigh22 How do fresh graduates in any other industry do it then? Making 15k less a year? I mean they're training aren't they? I don't know any non-sales industry where fresh graduates make anything like 40k a year. They get that later in their careers like everyone else. When you say they have to spend more time at University they actually get compensated for that in their starting salary and all the future higher than average earnings they achieve later in life. The understaffing is another issue, but with respect to pay, are they suppose to get special treatment or something?
@@MooperRanger 40k isn’t a fresh graduate salary for a doctor?
The fresh graduate salary is 28k.
And most other fresh graduates don’t have the same associated costs
- many get to live at home (doctors don’t get to choose where they work, they could be allocated 10 hours from their home)
- many get to stay in a stable job that means they can account for travel costs when they choose where to live (doctors in the foundation programme can be moved hospitals every 4 months). And moved location every year, moving costs A LOT of money.
- they don’t have 5-8 years of being a student and the debt that gets you into (I maxed out many overdrafts getting through medical school that I then had to pay off)
- they don’t have to pay for registration fees, instance, exam fees
- they don’t have to pay to go to conferences and courses
@@Bringon-dw8dx youre stating the problem of pretty much every student (except the moving around). You have higher pay to compensate for this. I dont see the issue other than greed.
@@krisb-travel People who do harder jobs/ are smarter/more valuable to society doing things that not everyone can do should get paid more in every sector. That’s how western societies work.
Also it’s certainly not greed, no one should be willing to be underpaid for a decade for their work like the uk doctors have tolerated. I’m sure you wouldn’t love 30% of your salary to be taken from you for 10-15 years, why do you expect the same of others?
What's next? Lawyers and consultants that suffer due to climate change and inflation to feel bad for?
underpaid... doctors.. yeah right, they still make magnitudes of what other Uni degrees make.
£60k plus university debt. Shift work. And having to get things right all the time... Think they are worth paying just a bit more than the average salary of £70 for a qualified doctor with 8 years experience. Junior doctors can be on less than £30k a d have massive work loads.
Nope, your wrong. There is a big pay issue here.
You're living in a fantasy world mate. Being a doctor is obviously an incredibly hard job and it is absolutely underpaid.
And that's caused by the Tories - who you probably voted for.
Pay is only part of the problem here. Doctors and nurses are widely complaining about staffing levels and safety standards. They feel that currently patients are being harmed and killed by the level of work that they are expected to do.
Unless you want you or people you care about to get harmed at a hospital or a GP surgery then you should want NHS staff to be well paid and happy.
Grow up.
Maybe that's partly because they spend "magnitudes", to use your term, at University studying to become a doctor to start with
@@jayd8743 normal doctors really do get paid a lot though. The average GP salary is almost 100,000 a year which is massive. I understand that it’s for hard work, but still, the real play issue is with junior doctors, nurses and other support staff.
@@boarbot7829 junior doctors are doctors. Without them the entire health service freezes to a halt, as we saw in the latest strikes.
Shame doctors
Yes every doctor should be sacked, think how much money could be saved and given to the wealthy
What do you mean by shame doctors?
Shame them all you like, the time for negotiation is over anyway. Pay up or lose out.
UNDERPAID? NOT TRUE
OVERPAID? TRUE
BOO HOO HOO