The longest strike in NHS history: will junior doctors get a pay rise? | The New Statesman podcast
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- Junior doctors are undergoing a 6-day walk out, the longest strike in NHS history, will the Conservative government budge and offer a pay rise?
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Anoosh Chakelian is joined by Dr Emma Runswick, junior doctor in the North West and the current Deputy Chair of the BMA Council. They discuss what's driven junior doctors to strike, on top of an accrued 28 days of stoppages over the past year.
Will the BMA settle for anything less than a 35% pay rise? Has the new health secretary Victoria Atkins made any changes? And is this industrial action putting patients in danger?
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We need our NHS! If we want a healthy workforce that can power our Economy, then we need to treat the sick with an effective health service. If this Govt. isn't prepared to settle, then they need to go, so the next Govt. can do so!
I agree - we do need an NHS staffed by people who respect their patients, but not people who treat their patients as bargaining chips. Respect to sincere health workers who show true care.
Totally agree. I trained in the NHS as a double qualified RN and was damn proud of it. But it took overseas to make me realise that there are many countries with infinitely better health systems than UK.And that was over 30 years ago.
There are multiple issues. General standards as well as training standards have deteriorated and it breaks my heart to say this. Eg we are hearing reports of graduates of both nursing and medicine being through trainingtoo quickly as unis are under pressure from the government to get more people out there.Thats an accident waiting to happen.
Now retired and living in Australia, I heard recently that uk trained health professionals are having to undertake bridging courses to work in the US, Canada, New Zealand or Australia. It’s all very sad.
Finally , like it or not the doctors are in breach of their duty of care to patients . What’s happened to the Hippocratic Oath or the do harm policy?
Medicine and nursing practiced have continued to evolve over the years. When I started out I knew the pay and conditions were poor and could have earned more in another job with less stress. The difference is it’s a vocation. But I would never have gone on strike, besides it used to be against the RCN rules . It has always been a very demanding profession. Interesting that the entry requirements for uni are actually less than they were under the traditional type training. Maybe we need to examine the selection process.Things have really gone downhill.@@davidevans1334
Maximum respect for you. Does "Morality" need to be included in medical training now. In the past the Hippocratic Oath was compulsory but now I believe it is optional. @@christinefiedor3518
Wishing the junior doctors success in this dispute. The Tories will lie and defame you but you will win in the end! You have to! We need pay restoration all across the economy - we were never to blame for 2008 and the austerity that it let in....
And who pays for that? Well, I suggest we look at where "it" all went and recover those riches - all the way back to the Norman conquest. Say what? Well the Duke of Westminster is an example.
@@abody499you need a hug
Let us blame banking greed for 2008. The government used the taxpayers to save the banks!!! The ultimate goal is the abolishment of the NHS and EVERYONE pays for private healthcare - but I bet NI and tax will not go down a penny. Let's wait and see if the doctors destroy the NHS provision - the dentists managed.
Junior doctors are overpaid.
Dear Dr. Runswick - I hope you’re able to stay the course; you deserve every single penny. A simple parity of income tax and Capital Gains would easily pay for this with no extra cost to workers of the UK.
Junior doctors are overpaid.
Im not a clinician (dr,nurse etc) but used to work for the NHS and moved to Australia for a better life, as have several physios and Drs who are my friends from the UK. We have more money, work less hours and are treated 100% better than by the NHS with respect. What will it take for the UK government and people to realise, you get what you pay for! This could have been avoided by say a 15% pay rise followed by above inflation payrises over 5 years to get back to the 2008 position. It’s so sad to see the NHS dying
Ps. This doctor is a fantastically smart and articulate advocate and professional. I hope the NHS gets
To keep her!
Doctors pay has increased since 2008 - it has not been cut.
Excellent video. Junior doctor is a false term. If these doctors were here in North America, they would simply be doctors.
It’s not false, it’s just misleading. By the time a Dr is a Dr they’ve done more (expensive) training than most of us do in our lives.
They’re still *relatively* junior, but worth far more than anyone in parliament (cleaners would be the closest)
@@JohnR31415 Junior doctors in the United Kingdom are qualified physicians with a five-year medical degree under their belts. They are roughly equivalent to doctors in the United States completing their residencies, who diagnose and treat patients under the supervision of a senior doctor.
They are doctors.
@colinthompson3111 I don't think John was disputing any of that. Seems to me the point was that the term "junior" implies "less than", when in fact it just means "less experienced than".
@@abody499 it is a subtle insult to doctors starting out. If you collapsed in front of one of these doctors, they would actively be trying to save your life. Doctors.
Please see Raiders of the Lost Ark 3 and the late Sean Connery show how the term "junior" is insulting.
please dont condescend me. if you're going to reply to me, try to actually know what I said.
the basic question is "why are you a doctor?"
Very well articulated and balanced description of the situation - this is the difference between high levels of education and the rest. Imagine a world where every adult was similarly capable of assessing reality.
In Germany, family doctors can earn upwards of €200,000, a stark contrast to the significantly lower salaries in the UK. This discrepancy is puzzling considering the extensive and rigorous training required in the medical field. Politicians who decide to cut funding in healthcare might think they are making a smart economic decision because the negative effects won’t be immediately visible. However, these effects can manifest as unsolvable problems many years later. Doctors begin their careers later due to their prolonged education, and if the compensation doesn't reflect the investment in their training, it could become unsustainable. If the trend continues, there's a real risk that younger generations may choose not to pursue medical careers, potentially leading to a severe shortage of doctors in one or two generations.
$385,000CAD for fulltime family doctor in British Columbia
My GP's income is public. £50k annually for a 60-70 hour work week. Having done similar hours while I was teaching, I don't know how he does it. It's exhausting!
British Columbia only employs highly educated, properly trained, competent doctors which excludes the vast majority of dumbed down British medics.
In Germany its more than €200k for family doctors, I don’t know why UK doctors are paid too low. You have to consider the many hard years of training and we start late to work, if it’s not enough it won’t work anymore. Young people won’t study medicine and 1-2 generations you want have any more doctors anymore.
This a disgraceful as many people dying as lack of doctors in A&E and delays to operations to over 1m people. The junior doctors are so bloody greedy for such a large increase in salary and breaking their oath as doctors. Hope they get this sorted out ASAP to avoid any more un-necessary deaths.
No they won't. And they won't get one under a Labour government either. Both parties are clearly heading towards a privatised health service
I’m totally appalled at some of the comments on here. If that’s the typical calibre of so called educated health professionals then I’m glad I’m in my senior years. …and what’s more this behaviour is not deserving of ANY rise. Disgusting mentality!
Blackmailers holding the sick and vulnerable hostage
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What would the equivalent figure be for teachers or nurses or police? What payrise would they need to achieve parity?
From what I’ve found online (based on 5 years training/on the job experience) a police constable earns around £18 per hour, a nurse earns around £16 per hour, and a primary school teacher earns around £23 per hour. These obviously vary according to region.
None of those are over paid by any stretch of the imagination. And for perspective an Assistant Manager at McDonald’s is paid just short of £26 per hour. And MPs are paid around £40 per hour based on a 40 hour week, plus expenses including a second home allowance, plus heavily subsidised meals.
Anyone still wondering why junior doctors are annoyed at being paid £14 an hour after spending 5 years at medical school?!
@@ffotograffydd excellent basic hourly rate for a first year medical graduate trainee apprentice with limited practical experience taking their first tentative steps to learn the trade under strict supervision and guidance.
@@taffyterrier ‘Excellent’ if you think a qualified doctor who has already done five years training and spent £100,000+ is worth £10 an hour less than an assistant manager at a McDonald’s.
They are fully qualified doctors at that stage, the additional training is in their chosen specialty. For context, junior doctors in Australia earn over £20,000 a year more on average as a starting salary.
Stop buying in to Tory propaganda, mate, junior doctors are under paid in the UK, that’s just fact!
The only group of publicly funded 'workers' that have had a pay rise every year since 2008, and are now better off relative to 2008 pay scales/cost of living are members of parliament, and the entire period has been under a conservative government.
Doctors have had a pay rise every year since 2008.
@@taffyterrier
2008: MPs - £61,820, first year junior doctors - £28,274
2009: MPs - £64,766, first year junior doctors - £28,274
2010: MPs - £65,738, first year junior doctors - £28,274
2011: MPs - £65,738, first year junior doctors - £28,274
2012: MPs - £65,738, first year junior doctors - £28,274
2013: MPs - £66,396, first year junior doctors - £28,274
2014: MPs - £67,060, first year junior doctors - £28,274
2015: MPs - £74,000, first year junior doctors - £28,274
2016: MPs - £74,962, first year junior doctors - £32,398
2017: MPs - £76,011, first year junior doctors - £32,398
2018: MPs - £77,379, first year junior doctors - £32,398
2019: MPs - £79,468, first year junior doctors - £32,398
2020: MPs - £81,932, first year junior doctors - £32,398
2021: MPs - £81,932, first year junior doctors - £32,398
2022: MPs - £84,144, first year junior doctors - £32,398
2023: MPs - £86,584, first year junior doctors - £32,398
@@johngriffin9720 Incorrect
deluded "tradespeople" from privileged backgrounds with massive egos
I think the term 'junior doctor' is misleading and should be scrapped..
“trainee doctor” would be more accurate.
NHS staff are hugely overpaid. Nurses, doctors, junior doctors get far more than people with equivalent workers in eg. Science and research. Just cos there are lots they have bargaining power.
Can't doctors be recycled as cat food ?
Can't you be recycled for dog food?
Give your head a wobble son
@@HShango Dogs should be illegal.
@@guff9567you should be illegal
@@deanunio doctors and animals all spread disease in our society:
* AIDS
* Zoonotic
* Vaccination side effects and genetic weakening
* Irresponsibility