"have i seen this before?" - kind of. this was the full reaction that jordan and my videos were made out of. theres about an hour of extra content in here that wasn't previously on youtube!
It was really telling how when Rose invited the poetry group over to her house in no makeup they completely embraced her and told her how cute she was and when nick showed up to etiquette school in no makeup they all were like "no wait go back you look weird!!"
I like how we got to see how incredibly rude and inconsiderate the white kids were despite being etiquette class regulars. Then on the other hand you had the slam poetry group, which was nothing but kind and patient with Rose throughout the whole process.
Also, "despite"? You go to etiquette class because you have poor etiquette, not to learn how to minmax etiquette and become a pro. Polite kids wouldn't be expected from etiquette class because they either don't need it or already quit.
with rich white kids, and just white kids in general ig manners are just performative. its not out of a genuine kindness and trying to make others comfortable. its a show for people like them, and ONLY people like them.
Also the show never comments on them essentially laughing and making fun of him for things that they would expect him to say and do if he wasn’t in makeup. Like Rose says he embodies the “black stereotype” showing that this is how she views the average black teenager. The poetry kids are whip smart, older and educated in something she values so she accepts them. Nick is disengaged from white social structures and speaks with a cultural accent she views as uneducated/unintelligent. The devaluation and subjugation of black cultural norms as being ‘poor’/‘low class’/‘uncultured’ all ways to maintain the power balance and enforce social hierarchy. This show could be completely transformed with a narrative framing device that explained what was happening and what their assumptions, words and actions MEAN.
bruno "says racism doesn't exist while being racist" wergle gets seen by a few black people who he perceives as hostile (wonder why) and decides racism does exist... towards white peopl
😭😭😭bruno. Son. Just take a seat. Goddd. This dude reminds me of some family member I have tried tried tried tried tried tried tried to talk sense into about a lot of things but it just got gross and retraumatizing in some cases so (not on the race on that one, that was just infuriating, I tried so hard)
"Nobody notices that Nick doesn't sweat." It was 2006, the Twilight books were the hot new thing at the time, I bet everyone was secretly hoping he was a vampire.
Okay here’s what I’ve noticed- there’s been a big discussion in the comments, truthfully, about how there’s been way more focus on the white family on this show. Part of it’s probably because they’re a bunch of insane N-word dropping monsters while the lesson most of the black family is learning that “yeah, I have to act white to make things easier. I knew that already but now I continue to know that.” But also, they often put one of the white guys with them any time they go anywhere! When Nick goes to etiquette class, Rose is with him. When Rose goes to the poetry class, she’s alone, even though it sounds like Nick’s parents would like for him to come learn a little pride for himself and his culture and would REALLY benefit from the poetry class.
I'm not defending the show AT ALL. But it's possible that they sent Rose with Nick to the class because he is shy. Maybe he wanted someone to go with him that knew he was black. Rose is more outspoken and extroverted so she didn't really need anyone with her at her group. I agree that Nick may have gained some perspective from joining that group with her but the fact that he's so shy makes me think he might not would have wanted to write and perform poetry in a group. It's possible the reasoning is that the white people seem to be the main characters but it's possible it was just better for their personalities that way.
And that same kid then started saying hard r slurs for fun and saying “I never would’ve if Nick didn’t” bring it up. It was a performatively kind action to gain favor. Manipulative parents probably
Jordan's anguished "PRESS PLAY!" had me laughing so hard. I wasn't sure I had the mental fortitude to sit through Bruno's rap, but you guys make it survivable.
Nick is just in the "🤷🏾♂️ whatever..." phase of being a teenager so he just doesn't seem to want to show if he's hurt or offended. Everything is "🤷🏾♂️ w/e"
"Just because you started talking doesn't mean that you get to finish talking." -- Jarvis, saying an excellent thing, as he and Jordan often do (50 min in)
Bruno: If Black people acted exactly like I wanted them to, they wouldn't experience racism Fernando: I act exactly how you want me to and I experience racism Bruno: ....no
Man it hurt watching Nick with those kids. That brought alot back from high school. That shit was tough to sit through. I know he doesn't get it, but those kids were testing the waters in a defining way. That interaction could carry along way into their adult life, and he opened a major door for them.
@@BigBodyBrax i mean the white girl went with him because the producers don't seem to trust black people without white ppl guiding them, and not vice versa, but yeah ur right
Even without the understanding racism part it would help him develop a better acceptance of his own feelings that he seems to be struggling with, because teen boy
I get the impression that Nick's parents didn't teach him very much about racism before the show. It's so jarring hearing him explain his experiences and their reactions to it just scream that he's been left to his own devices and it wasn't a priority.
@@carnuatus It's ridiculously unfair to him. He seemed so uninformed that anything short of being physically attacked while being called slurs would go unrecognised as racism.
Yeah it seems they just expected him to just all of a sudden to get it, but not realizing that he's not going to experience the same exact overt racism they did at his age.
this show is so deranged, there are so many things that make me make jarvis's face at 22:26 but one of the most haunting things about this episode to me is the fact that bruno apparently teaches elementary school?!?!?!?!?!?!? i am disgusted and my day is ruined
@@lucilleballs2291 he had the absolute gall. the moxie. the kahones. i would be quivering in my boots meanwhile Connor McTrustFund is mouthing off to people 25 years his senior. when i tell you my jaw fucking dropped.
These streams are so hilarious and every time I watch I cry laughing from sheer confusion and horror. That being said - I hope you guys don't feel like this is something you *have* to do bc it's popular on your channel. If reacting to people being racist - even in a weird way like this show - turns more painful than cathartic I know the fans will definitely support you if you need to drop the project. And of course if you're finding it fun we're here for the ride!
If you guys could somehow get in touch with any of the cast and see how they feel about the show now that would be really interesting. I especially want to hear from Nick and Rose since they were just kids then and have the most potential to have grown in their perspectives since then.
Yeah I just found out a lot of kids in Oklahoma don't get educated on the Tulsa race riots and it's shocking (I'm from the Tulsa area and history class covered it). Idk what the school systems think they're doing.
@@KlonBlastbeat Tbh im british and the only thing we were really taught was about the Atlantic slave trade I dont know if its still the same though. Its not like we didnt learn anything from it though.
it's like, fucked up that they didnt have nick go through the black focus group as well, especially bc they let rose do the etiquette group with him. i wonder why they chose to leave him out of that experience when it's pretty clear he would've gotten more out of it.
Am I mistaken? Isn't Bruno the one dating a woman who is separated and the other family on the show are married (not that it should matter or be something to judge people about but then he talks about how there's a "lapse in the black community..." -UGH). The idea of this jackass working in a school is terrifying and speaks to why systemic racism is so prevalent.
Yes he was just dating Rose's mom so I think Rose talking about family was about the fact she's from a separated family which is in contrast to the married Black families she's been experiencing and closeness she values (tho marriage itself shouldn't matter). It was before Bruno made his point and directly showed how hypocritically racist he of course is.
Around the 42 minute mark you guys mention that it seems like nobody has challenged Bruno's view of the world. I think that's deliberate. It's not just that nobody is doing it, it's that the creators of the show carefully chose who they would have interact with these people so that they could push their narrative. This show was produced for a mostly white audience who wanted to get a, for lack of a better phrasing, "window into black life from the white perspective." From what I have seen of the show it seemed that the white family got a lot more screen time than the black family- that's part of it. They didn't want to make the audience- who they assumed were average white Americans who likely agree with Bruno to some extent- to feel uncomfortable watching the show, so they deliberately picked black people for them to interact with who would reinforce that viewpoint. These shows aren't "reality," they don't just let the subjects wander around on the street, they pre-plan EVERYTHING. For some stuff, like revealing the makeup to people, they will keep the premise secret from people involved. But activities? Almost certainly pre-planned. Who they work with one-on-one? Almost certainly pre-planned. I'm willing to bet they interviewed the black musician who they got Bruno to work with, just like I'm sure they interviewed the black speaker who Carmen worked with. They vetted all of these people to carefully construct a narrative that white people watching would like- that racism is individual, not systemic, and that any suggestion that racism is systemic is ridiculous. Black people should just pull themselves up by the bootstraps! See, this musician did it! And this speaker! And the black family we have in white face! From the episode I watched, the two families are framed very differently and it really gives away the angle the showrunners are going for. The white family in blackface are portrayed as though they are doing a really serious thing that's really important and transformative. All of the cutaway interviews for them make it seem like they are here to learn and experience something they have never done before. Meanwhile, the black family in whiteface are portrayed as silly, just here for the fun, THEY are the ones masquerading and not really here to learn. THEY are the ones who are portrayed as thinking they already know how the world works. How many times are they shown alone in a white space without one of the white family there with them? There is a reason that the white daughter goes to a poetry club alone, and that the black son is going to an ETIQUETTE CLASS with the white daughter- the show is portraying him as an invader, a barbarian who needs to be educated by his white counterpart in his new-found whiteness. Meanwhile, the white girl is portrayed as already having "earned" her blackness and is allowed to act in her own way, free of any input from people in the room who know the premise of what's happening. In other words, the black family is portrayed as entertainment, the white family is portrayed as education. I hope all of that makes sense, it's kinda word vomit-y. Edit: i just watched a little farther. I would say that the show doesn't have a pitch for the "other argument" here. You're right that the argument on one side is that there is a systemic oppression of black people, but they are deliberately not presenting the "other side" of that argument. They are letting the audience fill that in for themselves, because they are presuming that the audience will 100% believe that the argument they keep bringing up, but not supporting (systemic racism) is not the case, but they will all believe that for different reasons. So rather than present a reason (which may alienate audience members who don't agree) they just vaguely go "it's not true," give the standard response of "here's a black man who made it despite these supposed systemic injustices, that means they must not be real" and leave it at that.
I highly doubt this was all thought of before the shoot. They most likely found Bruno and was like “HEY LOOK AT THIS GUY LETS MAKE SOME TELE!” And it deformed from their. I can easily see it going a completely different direction due to one or two things (like the cast or even producers) where they just made bad decisions and rolled with it because it was mainly for a white audience so who cares about the things they were trying to portray. Also I can see them giving the white family more screen time due to what they had recorded and it made for “good” television and relatability.
@@D44RK_Iced_Yogs considering the whole white family are paid actors who were cast, and the black family were a real family (and this is reality tv were producers spend huge amounts of time orchestrating nearly everything) I would argue that it’s clearly set up and planned to be this way
@@austinsmith2970 most devices come with text to speech software. If you want to read longer comments but struggle with them then I’d recommend trying that
You're spot on. It's clear everything was scripted and everyone involved was vetted to some degree. This was solely for white comfort with black reaction as a bonus (if not fully intended to begin with)
Me and my best friend would watch Johnny Test when we were 7-9 (2013-16) so I can’t speak for the people of the early 2000s but… it was definitely Johnny Test. Those fucking whip sound effects.
The etiquette class, which the other kids were clearly forced to go to for an ounce of etiquette and class, are like having 16 feral kittens in your house. One is on top of the fridge (where Rose had to remove and crumple a piece of paper), two are climbing curtains, several got into the dressers, and all of them will attack and yell without warning. I also think the loudest girl on the bus has to be drunk.
I mean you know why he was mad tho? Cause he was poised to sit there and fake laughter at what he thought was gonna be an evening of jokes about white people, so he could then say 'but I can laugh at jokes about white people, it's all about how you respond to it, so there's nothing at all wrong with making jokes about black people, they need to laugh at themselves like I do'. His entire position of assumed superiority was shot. (for clarity: this is because bruno is an ass. The issue with racist jokes is not how the victims of that racism respond to it, and jokes about white people are not racist)
All jokes with the premise of diferent races having certain characteristics are racist. Individual racism against white people is still racist though without any weight because there is no systemic racism
@@ACWells13 No, racism is the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another. Or prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
Y’all did a great job at articulating the difficulties people have when it comes to race. Watching you two break down these episodes has been a lot of fun, and as someone who works at a university, I love this. The scenes with Bruno and even the small microaggressions provide some solid examples of what is wrong
like OBVIOUS blackface! I wonder how much footage they had of people just calling them out for doing blackface that they just cut out to make it seem more believable.
Was I alone in assuming Rose’s whole “where you’re from” thing was referring to like, a sense of connection with the local community (ie. your hometown) as opposed to literal ancestry? That seemed to make more sense as to what she got from spending that morning about town with her poetry class. Though idk if that has to do with race so much as living in urban areas where you’re necessarily closer to both neighbors and businesses vs. living in suburbia and driving everywhere.
Yeah, I also think that. I think what the other girl said, about how they have a shared connection with other black people, is actually what Rose was attempting to communicate. I think she felt like there were stronger familial bonds, and even strangers of the same race to Rose appeared to be treated like family (with terms like brother/sister). Rose I think still had a distorted perspective of things, and obviously there are communities where white people share similar strong community bonds (and often deliberately exclude black people due to the community’s racism). But I think Rose was just trying to articulate that she’d noticed that just being perceived as black creates a noticeable connection with other black people, who are connected by shared experiences. Except I think Rose thinks the connection is because they all (in her mind) come from the same place originally, so they share a cultural heritage from where they’re from. In reality that connection is often developed in response to racism. Black people were taken from where they were from (typically Africa), forced to abandon their cultural heritages, excluded from non-black communities until very recent history, had to develop a new shared culture to connect with other black people who’d been taken from various regions to be forced into slavery, and even though legally black people are supposed to be equal now the reality is that they continue to face regular racism that can make them feel excluded in non-black communities. So there is an African American culture that many black Americans can connect through, but it’s not based on where people are from so much as it is from shared experiences in response to racism. Although part of it might be that Rose doesn’t share that connection with black people, part of it can also be that black people typically know she’s ignorant of their experiences and could easily turn on them with something racist. Bruno is literally repeating white supremacist nonsense while being convinced he’s progressive and anti-racism. A random white person on the street who doesn’t see themselves as racist could easily be just like him. So I think Rose thought it was about a connection with other black people in the local community, but thinks that connection stems from knowing where they’re from and bonding through that. I think the reality is that it’s also largely because black people in the local community are probably able to be closer with other black people in the community automatically because they’re safer, and even though white people could build that sort of connection over time as trust is built the conversations Rose has had with them have made it clear that Rose is very ignorant of their experiences and probably holds some pretty racist beliefs; that’s obviously going to hinder her ability to connect. She doesn’t seem to realise that it’s the racism, not where her ancestors are from, that probably hinders her most in connecting with these people. That’s my perspective of it at least. But she’s really bad at explaining her position. And what she said came out as extremely ignorant. People should be telling her to articulate her beliefs better lol.
@@genericname8727 Yeah, she definitely comes across as a valedictorian/Hermione Granger type (Jarvis and Jordan's joke about her going for a 5 on the AP Blackness exam was spot-on), like the way she talks it feels like she got really good grades on all the essays for her African-American Literature elective and she's just going back to that well for conversations with actual human beings. Some people would say it's performative, and it is to the extent that anything is that doesn't come naturally, but I think it's coming from a sincere place. But yeah you're totally right in that a white person can't expect people of color to always give their word-vomit the benefit of the doubt lol. Also obligatory "this is a TV show, grain of salt" and all.
i kinda took it as how a lot of white people think of africa as a country (or don't even know that it's not). if we're talking geographically, "you all know where you're from" makes about as much sense as saying the same thing to white people bc we're all technically from europe lol
1:30:17 In the French version of this show, when the kid showed up as white to his black friends one girl didn’t even notice, she just said “oh, did you cut your hair?!” 😀
its crazy to see a) how shows use black people as props to make television and b) how quick the white girl was to go along with her racist ass friends but in private situations with black people she acts completely different.
I am going to come back and watch this, but I just wanted to pop in and ask my fellow Black people - am I the only one who has to emotionally prepare to watch these videos? I wouldn’t even be able to get through this if not for Jarvis & Jordan, but I still have to prepare myself. THAT PERSON (y’all know exactly who I’m talking about) is an absolute nightmare. *Five thousand sighs*
The two of them make it pretty light-hearted but there were definitely bits like the part where Nick was interacting with the etiquette classmates, that I had to scrub a little. Bruno will get dogged by every other person involved, and thats cathartic and all, but the way the other kid's laughed and joked about Nick's blackness... the way he had no way out but to let it slide even though he was visibly uncomfortable... Hit too close to home. I almost prefer folks like Bruno, at least his biases are louder.
I'm in Florida so I'm just drowning in (Straight) White folks' fragility, proud ignorance and tomfoolery which is a little disappointing after 2020 when they finally got so close to comprehending racism exists beyond slurs so yeah I don't rush to watch each new upload.
I choked on air laughing at 1:39:15 when Jarvis said, "because if an n-word falls in a forest, does it even matter?" or something like that, the last few words were hard to hear over Jordan's laughter and my own. 🤣
1:31:00 I interpreted them as saying "the voice doesn't match the face" that they were shocked to hear their "white" friend's voice seemingly come out of someone else. Kinda like how it's strange to hear a voice actor perform a character's voice IRL
I opened up RUclips hoping to find a new Jarvis video, and boy did I get what I wanted. Black White is so hard for me to watch but I cannot stop watching these two react to it
idk why this made me laugh so much but- 1:49:19 “i hate to say it dude. bahs? bahs maybe.” “mmmm bars, yes.” something about the accent difference was just so funny there
Around 1:04:30 she's talking about how people stepped in the road and stuff, and I cannot help think that's less to do with the balckface and more to do with the fact that three people walking side by side takes up the entire damned walkway
“The Wurgles” have each overemphasized the word “WORD” or “WORDSSS.” Bruno on the topic of slurs all the time. Carmen in her absolute shit fit after her stinky, smelly, blue-cheese-in-a-hot-car poetry attack. And Rose, talking about how intensely she loves words while prepping for poetry. The Sparks family talks about words and how they have power, but they don’t put “words” in all caps and italics
The people at the comedy show were like “it’s weird they have one camera pointed at the stage and another camera pointed at these two random people who are clearly white people in blackface”
to this day I don’t understand how Nick told the etiquette class kids that he beat someone’s ass in public for calling him a nigga and they STILL found a venue to say it to him.
YES!! You better stream again soon!! I’ve missed them and finally started watching! Already watched everything here so I can’t wait to join the streams again now that I’m starting to watch streams! See you then!
Oh no I just had this thought- so Bruno said he worked in a school with kids? And I’m thinking the rap video gives “something trying to be relatable that you watch in school but racist” vibes and….do you think he made that for his classroom? For the kids that he teaches? Do you think he tried to be a cool teacher but he Bruno’d it?
no hate to either of them, but nothing makes me laugh harder than when jordan says something that leaves me DYING laughing, and jarvis has absolutely no reaction (or just goes “haha yeah”)
40:31 Fuck I needed this. This man just keeps tumbling and fumbling and the whole scene was like a Greek chorus providing my soul the catharsis it needs.
Good god. I really hope that family received aftercare for the trauma this whole show put them through for everyone else’s education and entertainment. Then again given the show existing of course not
"have i seen this before?" - kind of. this was the full reaction that jordan and my videos were made out of. theres about an hour of extra content in here that wasn't previously on youtube!
extended director's cut if you will
oh hell yes thank you!!!
Ohhhh okay, thanks, Jarvis! 💜
Oohhhh, i was so confused at first thank you!! Haha
thank u, i thought i was losing my mind
It was really telling how when Rose invited the poetry group over to her house in no makeup they completely embraced her and told her how cute she was and when nick showed up to etiquette school in no makeup they all were like "no wait go back you look weird!!"
I like how we got to see how incredibly rude and inconsiderate the white kids were despite being etiquette class regulars. Then on the other hand you had the slam poetry group, which was nothing but kind and patient with Rose throughout the whole process.
especially when they have so much more of a right to be completely outraged over a girl in literal blackface
Well, some of their poems were a little... interesting, but otherwise, yeah.
Also, "despite"? You go to etiquette class because you have poor etiquette, not to learn how to minmax etiquette and become a pro. Polite kids wouldn't be expected from etiquette class because they either don't need it or already quit.
with rich white kids, and just white kids in general ig manners are just performative. its not out of a genuine kindness and trying to make others comfortable. its a show for people like them, and ONLY people like them.
Also the show never comments on them essentially laughing and making fun of him for things that they would expect him to say and do if he wasn’t in makeup. Like Rose says he embodies the “black stereotype” showing that this is how she views the average black teenager. The poetry kids are whip smart, older and educated in something she values so she accepts them. Nick is disengaged from white social structures and speaks with a cultural accent she views as uneducated/unintelligent. The devaluation and subjugation of black cultural norms as being ‘poor’/‘low class’/‘uncultured’ all ways to maintain the power balance and enforce social hierarchy. This show could be completely transformed with a narrative framing device that explained what was happening and what their assumptions, words and actions MEAN.
Bruno "Racism Doesn't Exist" Wergle literally had his night ruined because black comedians "didn't talk about white people enough."
😭😭😭😭
bruno "says racism doesn't exist while being racist" wergle gets seen by a few black people who he perceives as hostile (wonder why) and decides racism does exist... towards white peopl
Bruno's last name is Marcotulli, not Wergle.
(Not correcting, just informing)
😭😭😭bruno. Son. Just take a seat. Goddd. This dude reminds me of some family member I have tried tried tried tried tried tried tried to talk sense into about a lot of things but it just got gross and retraumatizing in some cases so (not on the race on that one, that was just infuriating, I tried so hard)
@Safwaan how are they a bot
"Nobody notices that Nick doesn't sweat."
It was 2006, the Twilight books were the hot new thing at the time, I bet everyone was secretly hoping he was a vampire.
"Rose, where have you been loca?"
“this is the skin of a killer bella”
@@goldenstamp7548"And it's not because I'm black."
@@TheAuDHDVeganLMFAO
The way Bruno was waiting for someone to bring up race after the rap so he could go "I nEvEr MeNtIoNeD rAcE" like he was ready to jump
His trap card was ready to go
Yeah for real, "You only made it racially charged, Bruno" 🙄
1000% he was so ready for that gotcha
"I never mentioned race", says the man who dons blackface on a daily basis
Nick trying to hold in laughter after Bruno’s terrible rap, and his parents finding it too dumb to be offended, is hilarious.
Okay here’s what I’ve noticed- there’s been a big discussion in the comments, truthfully, about how there’s been way more focus on the white family on this show. Part of it’s probably because they’re a bunch of insane N-word dropping monsters while the lesson most of the black family is learning that “yeah, I have to act white to make things easier. I knew that already but now I continue to know that.”
But also, they often put one of the white guys with them any time they go anywhere! When Nick goes to etiquette class, Rose is with him. When Rose goes to the poetry class, she’s alone, even though it sounds like Nick’s parents would like for him to come learn a little pride for himself and his culture and would REALLY benefit from the poetry class.
Excellent point
I'm not defending the show AT ALL. But it's possible that they sent Rose with Nick to the class because he is shy. Maybe he wanted someone to go with him that knew he was black. Rose is more outspoken and extroverted so she didn't really need anyone with her at her group. I agree that Nick may have gained some perspective from joining that group with her but the fact that he's so shy makes me think he might not would have wanted to write and perform poetry in a group. It's possible the reasoning is that the white people seem to be the main characters but it's possible it was just better for their personalities that way.
It is funny that this show is like a lasagna of racism different nuanced forms of bigotry at every level.
I love that the black mom is going out of her way to try to teach the white kid values cuz her parents are so far gone.
anyone else notice the "he's not a zoo exhibit" at 33:30 that is then immediately ignored and he is treated like a zoo exhibit
That was painful to watch!
And that same kid then started saying hard r slurs for fun and saying “I never would’ve if Nick didn’t” bring it up. It was a performatively kind action to gain favor. Manipulative parents probably
Jordan's anguished "PRESS PLAY!" had me laughing so hard. I wasn't sure I had the mental fortitude to sit through Bruno's rap, but you guys make it survivable.
Nick is just in the "🤷🏾♂️ whatever..." phase of being a teenager so he just doesn't seem to want to show if he's hurt or offended. Everything is "🤷🏾♂️ w/e"
2 years late but this is the most perfect description of the situation
I am LOVING the rift that's being driven between Bruno and Carmen. This what Malcom X wanted frfr
Apparently they broke up not long after this show!
@@DemonicNightmaregood for her
This watch along brings new meaning to the phrase, “We don’t talk about Bruno”
Silencio Bruno
HOLY SHIT LMAO
we really dont talk about bruno lmao
@@breathe.8072 wait shit those are from two different movies
@@soulgazer11 I had to google to remember what silencio Bruno was from because I couldn’t remember and I just watched that movie last week. 😂
"Just because you started talking doesn't mean that you get to finish talking." -- Jarvis, saying an excellent thing, as he and Jordan often do (50 min in)
Bruno: If Black people acted exactly like I wanted them to, they wouldn't experience racism
Fernando: I act exactly how you want me to and I experience racism
Bruno: ....no
Literally this
It's still amazing how Rose makes "black" sound like a slur
All three do. "Blacks" is always so jarring. Like...black people. They're people..
it's because she yells it every time she says it
She stresses like, every syllable.
@@neptune9647 it's only one syllable tho 🤣
@@FIRING_BLIND E x a c t l y. She's adding them.
It is INCREDIBLE how Bruno consistently takes away the exact opposite of every lesson
Actually, Bruno is like a living SNL skit, I cannot believe he is a real person, holy crap.
Man it hurt watching Nick with those kids. That brought alot back from high school. That shit was tough to sit through. I know he doesn't get it, but those kids were testing the waters in a defining way. That interaction could carry along way into their adult life, and he opened a major door for them.
I think the boy would’ve learned better if he had went to the poetry things too. It would’ve been good for him
For SURE. It woulda made sense too because ole girl went with him to etiquette class
@@BigBodyBrax i mean the white girl went with him because the producers don't seem to trust black people without white ppl guiding them, and not vice versa, but yeah ur right
@@insertwittyusername9615 lol good point
YES i totally agree
Even without the understanding racism part it would help him develop a better acceptance of his own feelings that he seems to be struggling with, because teen boy
I get the impression that Nick's parents didn't teach him very much about racism before the show. It's so jarring hearing him explain his experiences and their reactions to it just scream that he's been left to his own devices and it wasn't a priority.
Me too! And it's doubly frustrating because they're so impatient with him. If you didn't teach him, how is he supposed to know??
@@carnuatus It's ridiculously unfair to him. He seemed so uninformed that anything short of being physically attacked while being called slurs would go unrecognised as racism.
@@moon-moth1 Definitely. I feel bad too.
Yeah it seems they just expected him to just all of a sudden to get it, but not realizing that he's not going to experience the same exact overt racism they did at his age.
For those wondering. Jarvis and Jordan have already uploaded this. However this is the full unedited/no cuts version.
I was so confused for so long wow😂
this show is so deranged, there are so many things that make me make jarvis's face at 22:26 but one of the most haunting things about this episode to me is the fact that bruno apparently teaches elementary school?!?!?!?!?!?!? i am disgusted and my day is ruined
This Bruno creature is an absolute HAZARD to children
The etiquette kid at the table justifying his words is just Ben Shapiro.
I can't believe he had the audacity to condescend to adults like that though, right to their faces. -_- He pissed me off so bad
@@lucilleballs2291 he had the absolute gall. the moxie. the kahones. i would be quivering in my boots meanwhile Connor McTrustFund is mouthing off to people 25 years his senior. when i tell you my jaw fucking dropped.
What time was it?
These streams are so hilarious and every time I watch I cry laughing from sheer confusion and horror. That being said - I hope you guys don't feel like this is something you *have* to do bc it's popular on your channel. If reacting to people being racist - even in a weird way like this show - turns more painful than cathartic I know the fans will definitely support you if you need to drop the project. And of course if you're finding it fun we're here for the ride!
Seconded, my god this show. 😢
Thirded!
Fourded
literally
Wholeheartedly agree!!
If you guys could somehow get in touch with any of the cast and see how they feel about the show now that would be really interesting. I especially want to hear from Nick and Rose since they were just kids then and have the most potential to have grown in their perspectives since then.
This show is a good piece of evidence on why kids need teaching on race and history lol
Yeah I just found out a lot of kids in Oklahoma don't get educated on the Tulsa race riots and it's shocking (I'm from the Tulsa area and history class covered it). Idk what the school systems think they're doing.
@@KlonBlastbeat Tbh im british and the only thing we were really taught was about the Atlantic slave trade I dont know if its still the same though. Its not like we didnt learn anything from it though.
@@josjos-x5s in your defense, I don't know anything about non-U.S. history on the matter, so it makes some sense
I feel that lol its import6
for real. that part with the teens from the etiquette class was so hard to watch
I REALLY LOVE THESE LIVE VIDEOS WITH JORDAN
Same they actually cure my mental Illness for a couple of hours😎
it's like, fucked up that they didnt have nick go through the black focus group as well, especially bc they let rose do the etiquette group with him. i wonder why they chose to leave him out of that experience when it's pretty clear he would've gotten more out of it.
Am I mistaken? Isn't Bruno the one dating a woman who is separated and the other family on the show are married (not that it should matter or be something to judge people about but then he talks about how there's a "lapse in the black community..." -UGH). The idea of this jackass working in a school is terrifying and speaks to why systemic racism is so prevalent.
note: I blame Bruno for Eminem's inappropriate lyrics. WHO didn't LOVE LOVE LOVE when the musician got to put Bruno in his place!!! MARVELOUS!
Yes he was just dating Rose's mom so I think Rose talking about family was about the fact she's from a separated family which is in contrast to the married Black families she's been experiencing and closeness she values (tho marriage itself shouldn't matter).
It was before Bruno made his point and directly showed how hypocritically racist he of course is.
Actually the white family is just actors
People love seeking out their own flaws in others and pointing them out
I feel like this whole show existing and being produced by Ice Cube is an example of "My black friend said it's okay."
Around the 42 minute mark you guys mention that it seems like nobody has challenged Bruno's view of the world.
I think that's deliberate. It's not just that nobody is doing it, it's that the creators of the show carefully chose who they would have interact with these people so that they could push their narrative. This show was produced for a mostly white audience who wanted to get a, for lack of a better phrasing, "window into black life from the white perspective." From what I have seen of the show it seemed that the white family got a lot more screen time than the black family- that's part of it.
They didn't want to make the audience- who they assumed were average white Americans who likely agree with Bruno to some extent- to feel uncomfortable watching the show, so they deliberately picked black people for them to interact with who would reinforce that viewpoint. These shows aren't "reality," they don't just let the subjects wander around on the street, they pre-plan EVERYTHING. For some stuff, like revealing the makeup to people, they will keep the premise secret from people involved. But activities? Almost certainly pre-planned. Who they work with one-on-one? Almost certainly pre-planned. I'm willing to bet they interviewed the black musician who they got Bruno to work with, just like I'm sure they interviewed the black speaker who Carmen worked with. They vetted all of these people to carefully construct a narrative that white people watching would like- that racism is individual, not systemic, and that any suggestion that racism is systemic is ridiculous. Black people should just pull themselves up by the bootstraps! See, this musician did it! And this speaker! And the black family we have in white face!
From the episode I watched, the two families are framed very differently and it really gives away the angle the showrunners are going for. The white family in blackface are portrayed as though they are doing a really serious thing that's really important and transformative. All of the cutaway interviews for them make it seem like they are here to learn and experience something they have never done before. Meanwhile, the black family in whiteface are portrayed as silly, just here for the fun, THEY are the ones masquerading and not really here to learn. THEY are the ones who are portrayed as thinking they already know how the world works. How many times are they shown alone in a white space without one of the white family there with them? There is a reason that the white daughter goes to a poetry club alone, and that the black son is going to an ETIQUETTE CLASS with the white daughter- the show is portraying him as an invader, a barbarian who needs to be educated by his white counterpart in his new-found whiteness. Meanwhile, the white girl is portrayed as already having "earned" her blackness and is allowed to act in her own way, free of any input from people in the room who know the premise of what's happening.
In other words, the black family is portrayed as entertainment, the white family is portrayed as education.
I hope all of that makes sense, it's kinda word vomit-y.
Edit: i just watched a little farther. I would say that the show doesn't have a pitch for the "other argument" here. You're right that the argument on one side is that there is a systemic oppression of black people, but they are deliberately not presenting the "other side" of that argument. They are letting the audience fill that in for themselves, because they are presuming that the audience will 100% believe that the argument they keep bringing up, but not supporting (systemic racism) is not the case, but they will all believe that for different reasons. So rather than present a reason (which may alienate audience members who don't agree) they just vaguely go "it's not true," give the standard response of "here's a black man who made it despite these supposed systemic injustices, that means they must not be real" and leave it at that.
I highly doubt this was all thought of before the shoot. They most likely found Bruno and was like “HEY LOOK AT THIS GUY LETS MAKE SOME TELE!” And it deformed from their. I can easily see it going a completely different direction due to one or two things (like the cast or even producers) where they just made bad decisions and rolled with it because it was mainly for a white audience so who cares about the things they were trying to portray. Also I can see them giving the white family more screen time due to what they had recorded and it made for “good” television and relatability.
Imma need a tldr 💀
@@D44RK_Iced_Yogs considering the whole white family are paid actors who were cast, and the black family were a real family (and this is reality tv were producers spend huge amounts of time orchestrating nearly everything) I would argue that it’s clearly set up and planned to be this way
@@austinsmith2970 most devices come with text to speech software. If you want to read longer comments but struggle with them then I’d recommend trying that
You're spot on. It's clear everything was scripted and everyone involved was vetted to some degree. This was solely for white comfort with black reaction as a bonus (if not fully intended to begin with)
Literally the entire episode my brain is just going "HAHA! IT IS I, BLING BLING BOY" I think we genuinely used that term until Johnny Test happened
Knew I wasn't the only one who'd made that association
Also love the implication that Johnny Test is what killed the term off for good
Me and my best friend would watch Johnny Test when we were 7-9 (2013-16) so I can’t speak for the people of the early 2000s but… it was definitely Johnny Test. Those fucking whip sound effects.
The etiquette class, which the other kids were clearly forced to go to for an ounce of etiquette and class, are like having 16 feral kittens in your house. One is on top of the fridge (where Rose had to remove and crumple a piece of paper), two are climbing curtains, several got into the dressers, and all of them will attack and yell without warning.
I also think the loudest girl on the bus has to be drunk.
I mean you know why he was mad tho? Cause he was poised to sit there and fake laughter at what he thought was gonna be an evening of jokes about white people, so he could then say 'but I can laugh at jokes about white people, it's all about how you respond to it, so there's nothing at all wrong with making jokes about black people, they need to laugh at themselves like I do'. His entire position of assumed superiority was shot.
(for clarity: this is because bruno is an ass. The issue with racist jokes is not how the victims of that racism respond to it, and jokes about white people are not racist)
All jokes with the premise of diferent races having certain characteristics are racist. Individual racism against white people is still racist though without any weight because there is no systemic racism
@@albinopolarbear8229 By definition, racism has a systemic component. Jokes about white people is racial prejudice, but it's not racism.
@@ACWells13 No, racism is the belief that different races possess distinct characteristics, abilities, or qualities, especially so as to distinguish them as inferior or superior to one another. Or prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
They are racist actually man.
Genuinely Bruno makes my skin crawl off of my body into a roaring furnace to feel less pain and agony that listening to him speak.
Y’all did a great job at articulating the difficulties people have when it comes to race. Watching you two break down these episodes has been a lot of fun, and as someone who works at a university, I love this. The scenes with Bruno and even the small microaggressions provide some solid examples of what is wrong
1:25:23 "I don't feel like people are clicking with me" *YOU DID BLACKFACE*
like OBVIOUS blackface! I wonder how much footage they had of people just calling them out for doing blackface that they just cut out to make it seem more believable.
Bruno's triple (maybe penta?) n-word was so much so suddenly, it became a physical attack. I am now wounded and bleeding out
you guys are so fucking funny together like yall return each others energy absolutely love to see it
Was I alone in assuming Rose’s whole “where you’re from” thing was referring to like, a sense of connection with the local community (ie. your hometown) as opposed to literal ancestry? That seemed to make more sense as to what she got from spending that morning about town with her poetry class.
Though idk if that has to do with race so much as living in urban areas where you’re necessarily closer to both neighbors and businesses vs. living in suburbia and driving everywhere.
Yeah, I also think that. I think what the other girl said, about how they have a shared connection with other black people, is actually what Rose was attempting to communicate. I think she felt like there were stronger familial bonds, and even strangers of the same race to Rose appeared to be treated like family (with terms like brother/sister).
Rose I think still had a distorted perspective of things, and obviously there are communities where white people share similar strong community bonds (and often deliberately exclude black people due to the community’s racism). But I think Rose was just trying to articulate that she’d noticed that just being perceived as black creates a noticeable connection with other black people, who are connected by shared experiences.
Except I think Rose thinks the connection is because they all (in her mind) come from the same place originally, so they share a cultural heritage from where they’re from. In reality that connection is often developed in response to racism. Black people were taken from where they were from (typically Africa), forced to abandon their cultural heritages, excluded from non-black communities until very recent history, had to develop a new shared culture to connect with other black people who’d been taken from various regions to be forced into slavery, and even though legally black people are supposed to be equal now the reality is that they continue to face regular racism that can make them feel excluded in non-black communities. So there is an African American culture that many black Americans can connect through, but it’s not based on where people are from so much as it is from shared experiences in response to racism. Although part of it might be that Rose doesn’t share that connection with black people, part of it can also be that black people typically know she’s ignorant of their experiences and could easily turn on them with something racist. Bruno is literally repeating white supremacist nonsense while being convinced he’s progressive and anti-racism. A random white person on the street who doesn’t see themselves as racist could easily be just like him.
So I think Rose thought it was about a connection with other black people in the local community, but thinks that connection stems from knowing where they’re from and bonding through that. I think the reality is that it’s also largely because black people in the local community are probably able to be closer with other black people in the community automatically because they’re safer, and even though white people could build that sort of connection over time as trust is built the conversations Rose has had with them have made it clear that Rose is very ignorant of their experiences and probably holds some pretty racist beliefs; that’s obviously going to hinder her ability to connect. She doesn’t seem to realise that it’s the racism, not where her ancestors are from, that probably hinders her most in connecting with these people.
That’s my perspective of it at least. But she’s really bad at explaining her position. And what she said came out as extremely ignorant. People should be telling her to articulate her beliefs better lol.
@@genericname8727 Yeah, she definitely comes across as a valedictorian/Hermione Granger type (Jarvis and Jordan's joke about her going for a 5 on the AP Blackness exam was spot-on), like the way she talks it feels like she got really good grades on all the essays for her African-American Literature elective and she's just going back to that well for conversations with actual human beings. Some people would say it's performative, and it is to the extent that anything is that doesn't come naturally, but I think it's coming from a sincere place. But yeah you're totally right in that a white person can't expect people of color to always give their word-vomit the benefit of the doubt lol. Also obligatory "this is a TV show, grain of salt" and all.
@@RisingSunfish to me she's the girl who's just sorta ✨️*there*✨️
i kinda took it as how a lot of white people think of africa as a country (or don't even know that it's not). if we're talking geographically, "you all know where you're from" makes about as much sense as saying the same thing to white people bc we're all technically from europe lol
Honestly Carmen’s character arc is actually kinda amazing she seems like she’s actually learning and growing.
I would love a book about birds. Crows are wonderful
Yes! Crows are awesome and they get such a bad reputation.
imagine if when they're driving in blackface, they were pulled over, asked for their IDs and had to explain they were in blackface for tv
If only there was justice in the world for them to be faced with that. It's impressive how the editors avoid anyone saying the word blacface
I’ve binged all 4 of these unedited videos, and this was possibly the best thing I’ve ever seen.
1:30:17 In the French version of this show, when the kid showed up as white to his black friends one girl didn’t even notice, she just said “oh, did you cut your hair?!” 😀
Oh my god, I need to find this now! I never knew this was a remake of another show!?
FRENCH VERSION?
Ok it’s called “Dans la peau d’un noir” (“In Black Skin”)
Commenting for later
LA QUOI ??
Jordan screaming at Jarvis to press play had me dying XD
Bruno 100% is Jordan Peterson's biggest fan today, and I'm not going to bother looking that up to confirm.
its crazy to see a) how shows use black people as props to make television and b) how quick the white girl was to go along with her racist ass friends but in private situations with black people she acts completely different.
WAKE UP 🗣‼️ JARVIS AND JORDAN DROPPED BLACK WHITE CONTENT!!!
This show is what the We Don't Talk About Bruno song from Encanto is really about.
You know, thinking about it now, I feel like if Bruno had gone to that show as himself, there would have been much more white people jokes made.
I am going to come back and watch this, but I just wanted to pop in and ask my fellow Black people - am I the only one who has to emotionally prepare to watch these videos? I wouldn’t even be able to get through this if not for Jarvis & Jordan, but I still have to prepare myself. THAT PERSON (y’all know exactly who I’m talking about) is an absolute nightmare. *Five thousand sighs*
Nah I don’t have to emotionally prepare to watch these videos
@@Damarai_ This has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked but, okay…?
Yeah, I sometimes skip these because they make me so uncomfortable even thought Jarvis and Jordan make it more bearable
The two of them make it pretty light-hearted but there were definitely bits like the part where Nick was interacting with the etiquette classmates, that I had to scrub a little. Bruno will get dogged by every other person involved, and thats cathartic and all, but the way the other kid's laughed and joked about Nick's blackness... the way he had no way out but to let it slide even though he was visibly uncomfortable... Hit too close to home. I almost prefer folks like Bruno, at least his biases are louder.
I'm in Florida so I'm just drowning in (Straight) White folks' fragility, proud ignorance and tomfoolery which is a little disappointing after 2020 when they finally got so close to comprehending racism exists beyond slurs so yeah I don't rush to watch each new upload.
YES so happy y’all are back! So sorry you must suffer like this tho this show is a whole ass bucket of insanity
i read that as “so happy y’all are black!” like yeah i guess 💀 lmaooo this show is messing with my brain
@@waitwaitwaitno3182 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Jordan’s way of saying “40 SPOONS” while looking so menacing is so funny to me
I think Nick really does care and is using this attitude as a coping mechanism.
Most teen guys are like that, especially at the time right before people thought," hey maybe we should care about our feelings"
I choked on air laughing at 1:39:15 when Jarvis said, "because if an n-word falls in a forest, does it even matter?" or something like that, the last few words were hard to hear over Jordan's laughter and my own. 🤣
Jarvis checking on dipper like a work from home Dad distracted by making sure his toddler is okay.
Shout out to the kid who said "he's not a zoo exhibit guys" when the edicate class found out and were all treating him like an alien.
1:31:00 I interpreted them as saying "the voice doesn't match the face" that they were shocked to hear their "white" friend's voice seemingly come out of someone else. Kinda like how it's strange to hear a voice actor perform a character's voice IRL
Reminded me of when you meet an online friend in person for the first time too.
Please please please do this again. I need more of it
Its crazy how long they let this air, but at the same time these 4 episodes jarvis has covered have been amazing
I love watching these two react to how absolutely insane this show is!! I have no idea how this show was able to air omfg!
I opened up RUclips hoping to find a new Jarvis video, and boy did I get what I wanted. Black White is so hard for me to watch but I cannot stop watching these two react to it
idk why this made me laugh so much but- 1:49:19
“i hate to say it dude. bahs? bahs maybe.”
“mmmm bars, yes.”
something about the accent difference was just so funny there
Around 1:04:30 she's talking about how people stepped in the road and stuff, and I cannot help think that's less to do with the balckface and more to do with the fact that three people walking side by side takes up the entire damned walkway
I absolutely love this series, this show is wild but having you two to help take it in makes it great
2:52 dipppppeerrrrr
the constant slack notification sounds made me obsessively check my laptop notifs lol
i genuinely laugh so much at the mid life rap commentary, it’s so fucking insane 😭
Ugh, I was waiting for this patiently, but now I'm not sure if I'm ready to see any more of this...
Brunos rap sounds like sumn a teacher would play for their students about a subject theyre learnin or some shi 😭🙏🏾
Nah, at least in that scenario the teacher is trying and just misguided, instead of just being racist and proud of it like Bruno
“The Wurgles” have each overemphasized the word “WORD” or “WORDSSS.” Bruno on the topic of slurs all the time. Carmen in her absolute shit fit after her stinky, smelly, blue-cheese-in-a-hot-car poetry attack. And Rose, talking about how intensely she loves words while prepping for poetry. The Sparks family talks about words and how they have power, but they don’t put “words” in all caps and italics
Ironic that the people who understand the power of words, put way less force into actually saying "words"
They don't even add a bonus syllable for emphasis
"WORDSS-SUH." was a full on toddler-level tantrum moment 🤦🏻♀️
i didn't think this could get worse but yet every episode, I'm tremendously surprised 😭
i absolutely adore you for uploading these full vods jarvis, i could watch you guys for ages lol
We need a cam that just is zoomed in on Jordan's eye reactions.
The entire crew of this show now: "We, don't, talk about Bruno, no no no..."
Heck you. I hate Lin Manuel Miranda, so I hate encanto because of it.
As a Jew I’ve never been an Ice Cube fan because of his antisemitism but I didn’t even realize he’s a racist too
bruno looks like a blue man group member without paint on
1:35:56 omfg when Jarvis said "Nick is Ulting" I immediately went "His dad is his Bahamut summon" and a few seconds later, he says the same, wild
The people at the comedy show were like “it’s weird they have one camera pointed at the stage and another camera pointed at these two random people who are clearly white people in blackface”
jarvis: we dont have much time to record
the video: almost 2 hours
The amount of times I had to make sure the video was still on because of the silence says a lot
I don't know if I'm ready for another episode of this show! 😬
53:42 genuine thought jarvis's cam was frozen here but like same jfc
If Bruno actually wanted to learn anything he would be going in asking questions. Is whitesplaining a thing?
If it wasn't it is now.
to this day I don’t understand how Nick told the etiquette class kids that he beat someone’s ass in public for calling him a nigga and they STILL found a venue to say it to him.
YES!! You better stream again soon!! I’ve missed them and finally started watching! Already watched everything here so I can’t wait to join the streams again now that I’m starting to watch streams! See you then!
Oh no I just had this thought- so Bruno said he worked in a school with kids? And I’m thinking the rap video gives “something trying to be relatable that you watch in school but racist” vibes and….do you think he made that for his classroom? For the kids that he teaches? Do you think he tried to be a cool teacher but he Bruno’d it?
53:50 LOL Jarvis was stuck in that position so long i though he was buffering.
no hate to either of them, but nothing makes me laugh harder than when jordan says something that leaves me DYING laughing, and jarvis has absolutely no reaction (or just goes “haha yeah”)
Lol he’s definitely distracted sometimes 😂 so he just goes along with it instead of asking what he just said all the time.
im pretty sure jarvis said once that he has ADHD as an ADHDer that happens often
Jordans American white guy voice is so f*&^%%g funny
Had to COMPLETELY skip the white kids messing with nicks stuff its so uncomfortable and upsetting to watch
And its kids from etiquette class. You'd think they would have been taught not to touch other peoples stuff
40:31 Fuck I needed this. This man just keeps tumbling and fumbling and the whole scene was like a Greek chorus providing my soul the catharsis it needs.
"It's like a forest fire" is incredible
I think Bruno wanted them to do more "white jokes" so he could feel even better about his racism.
geez... that part in nick's room really hurt to watch.
EDIT: ON THE BUS TOO... FUCK!
29:57 wholesome moment of Jarvis & dipper to watch for your comforting needs
Good god. I really hope that family received aftercare for the trauma this whole show put them through for everyone else’s education and entertainment. Then again given the show existing of course not
I wonder if Nick has ever posted anything about how he views these experiences in hindsight