Can a private pilot land an airliner? (FREEview 105)
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Episode features the following segments: Can a private pilot land an airliner?, Delfin L-29 fighter jet, Aircraft annual inspection, Airbus A380.
"We're gonna be scrambling two F-16s..." Sends up a pair of Hornets.
Some producers using stock footage doesn't know the difference...lol
I was really hoping someone would mention that, thank you
Lol
Lol I was about to say that
Yeah, to shoot the plane down if it gets off course
the big question is... can a airline pilot land a cessna 150??
One flight instructor told me he took an airline pilot up in a 172 (or 152, I forgot) and he couldn't control it, the flight instructor had to take control. Airline pilots these days manage the aircraft, they don't really fly it, this from one airline pilot I talked to.
Bearista Bear apart from, the fact you have to train on small aircraft, and you fly almost every approach, only (with most airlines) 1 Ils Approach a month on the aircraft.
Bearista Bear Good point. As we all probably know here that a 777 can land itself. From what I heard, the Asiana Airlines 777 that crashed in San Francisco was being manually flown can came short of the runway.
I took some flight lessons and messed with Microsoft Flight Simulator for a year straight and I always had a harder time with the smaller planes. I don't know if it's like that in reality but I definitely thought it should have been the other way around.
Michael Quindlen I flew 172s and I've also done 737-200 sim time at Air Canada and United. Much harder to fly the big jets, as they are slow to respond to inputs because of the sheer weight of the aircraft. Aileron response not too slow but elevator response and rudder response are slow, requiring you to think ahead and stay ahead of the aircraft, lest you chase the airplane all over the sky. There's a strange, disconnected feel to flying the big jets, because of the slow response to inputs. You pull back on the yoke, and it takes time to see the plane begin to nose up. It leads you to over input if you're not careful to stay ahead of the aircraft. Small airplanes have great feel because you're connected directly to the control surfaces via cables and the response to inputs is almost immediate.
Says "We're scrambling two f16s."
Rolls stock footage of two *f18s*.
***** Probably not a lot of other people. I'm just picky when it comes to these things.
yeah i noticed that too haha but if he really was going into the Houston area the local USAF field is Ellington and it has a squadron of F-16
I noticed that too!
Nick C. Good to hear I'm not alone.
Seth Meyers I commented on that before I saw your comment and then thought "phew, someone else noticed!"
@3:40" ATC: "We're gonna scramble a coupla F-16's". THOSE were F-18's!!!!!
triggered me as well xD
Came looking for this comment lol
Lol those where mig 21‘s
That was a joke
triggered me too >:(
I did it. I'm a private pilte with 500 hours, most of them on a Dyn Aero MCR4S. I went to a full flight sim at CAE, Gatwick, bought an hour and tried it. I landed it, alone, on my first trial withought auto pilot. With flight director. Before that I did it many times at home on FSX. Only the handling and the motion is diferent. After that I landed 5 more times without crashing. It was the best present I could have
It's remarkable how similar much of it can be. And then, of course, there's the stuff that's completely different!!!!!
people seriously underestimate how realistic these airplanes are on flight sims nowadays. Im pretty sure i could land an A320 pretty damn well... and ive never flown in real life lol
Those were actually two F-18's......and now the Internet is broken......
+Mike Patton I thought the same thing! ha
AC5 logo's on point by the way
+Mike Patton How can an AVIATION show do this?
Yea F-18s...I saw that. you would think a show called the "Aviators" would be able to identify the correct aircraft
vf84tcat1
I guess to be fair, these shows usually have interns going through stock footage who don't know shit about the topic at hand. Or just lazy.
"I'm flying an embraer 190"
*shows an American 757 on approach*
3:28 Says two F-16's are coming. Sends two F/A-18's instead.
Armadillo so he doesn't get scared because F-18's have more advantages than F-16 like they can wirelessly shutdown the aircraft and make it land like a frickin rocket
John Schneider No?
John Schneider What about you?
+John Schneider bro nice picture
+Dawn Keyballs same to you bro
3:23 "I think they might have had a fish." lolololol please tell me I'm not the only one that knows this reference
At 3:31 : "We're gonna be scrambling two F-16..." Not to contradict, but these are F-18.
avation nerd:P
+ΕΛΛΑΣ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ LOL
***** Well... that is obvious! The video producer inserted a wrong clip...
Which reminds me a another error I've see;. A commentator who wrote about a fucker plane (instead of a Fokker).
Came to say this. Leaving satisfied.
Gimme a minute and I'll tell you which squadron they're from...
Anyone can land an airliner, the question is if anyone can walk away afterward?
You have to taxi away not walk away. You will block the runway with the plane.
Most modern airliners could land themselves only regulations prohibit it (for good reason). Now a person with a small amount of training and assistance from the ground could easily land an airliner. The aircraft does most of the work.
I have not said every airport has it or every aircraft has it.
I was saying most modern Airliners have that capability. Most modern commercial flying today is automated. Even radar systems are run by automation (not saying there are no workers) and that even applies to radio systems.
Even our communications right now has the help of automation there is no body out there getting a cable and physically connecting the circuits.
bighands69 wrong, it requires a lot of training and skill to make the airliner fly on its own, you need to know about the computers and know what to put in there for the airliner to fly on its own, and you need to know how to line up with the runway, stay directly on the glide path.
James Edmond no one can land an airliner except if they have a lot of training and skill.
My old man is a airline pilot of 22 years. I took him up in the 172, he flared it about 50 feet up. Thought we were going to fall out of the sky.
needs practice. I may not even flare it and carrier land it. I haven't flown in a long time!
Well a 172 is much more maneuvrable, light and the cockpit much closer to the ground...
Bahaha, that's great.
Best thing I heard all day!! MD- 84 flares at about 80 most days. Nose way up.
I did about seven years of flight simulator flying the 777 and other airlines. Took me FOREVER to learn how to land a real Cessna. I always flared way too high lol. Now in the flight sim, I flare too late because I'm used to landing Cessnas
Handy and lucky to get an air traffic controller who know so much about the Enbraer.
+stereopolice I will tell you, as ATC, very few of us have ever flown anything more than a twin engine Seminole, or similar. Even fewer of us have ever flown an airliner, so in the highly unlikely scenario you find yourself in the pilots seat of an airliner, ATC will not be able to guide you down from memory. I do enjoy watching the Aviators, but I felt there should have been a disclaimer that ATC does not know how to fly a big jet.
+atc_av8er Can't grab an actual pilot from the airport you're operating at?
+atc_av8er Well considering the ATC works at an airport how difficult would it be locating a pilot who does know ?
+stereopolice eMbraer*. In portuguese, there are never Ns before the letters B or P, it´s always an M.
sephirotic87 It was a typo, sorry.
"Might have had the fish." HAHA brilliant!!
Tommy, you ever seen a grown man naked?!
😭😂
Woah! Air traffic controller knows the plane inside out.
That is how it's supposed to be if they don't than they could be in trouble
Nah it's not normal. The ATC has no real knowledge of the plane cockpit layout and workings. In case of an emergency where there's no trained airline pilot in the cockpit they have to call into the tower people that know the aircraft - usually not too hard in an airport, otherwise they just make a phonecall and get the instructions over.
Lmao do you have any clue how many completely different planes there are around the world? Its literally impossible for someone to be an expert on every single one of them. Most ATC dont have a clue other than what they look like and maybe a few simple specs
OK, he's in a simulator and obviously they have brought in someone who can fly the plane (pilot/instructor) who is telling him what to do.
lord mine youre saying an air traffic controller could get in trouble for not knowing the exact layout of ecery single plane? are you nuts? many arent even pilots
"We'll be scrambling some F-16's" Shows footage of F-18's taking off.
***** Thanks Ragnar
"gonna be scrambling 2 F-16s to come intercept you" *shows 2 F/A-18s*
"We will be sending two F-16's for security reasons, but they will be out of the way" *whispers to another controller " tell the F-16's to open fire when in range"
"oops, change-of-mind"
They actually scrambled 4 jets. They said F-16s and showed F/A-18s so they must have sent 4.
Those were the decoys. :)
Worst time for an open mic...
I love the "Airplane!" joke. XD "They appeared to have the fish."
6:20 better landing than most RyanAir flights
No, just people trying to fit in.@Erick_Thellere
Nice landing. Now here comes a grateful stewardess with a bottle of wine and her hotel key.
Craig Jackson how do you do my good sire
6:50 The should add the sound of cheering passengers when you do something like that. That's got to be a good feeling to hear that cheering.
The ATC Operator was extremely knowledgeable and helpful, even so, phraseology went straight out of the window.
That was great. I've always thought the biggest issue would be the different perspective on the flair since you're a lot closer to the ground in a single engine aircraft.
Good point. The flare actually was barely noticeable compared to a Cessna.
"The pilots seem to be out of comission, I think they had the fish"
Alex Lawrence I had the lasagna.
The fish? What is it?!?
It is a reference to the movie “Airplane” wherein the fish served on the plane incapacitated the pilots.
You'd have to be an extremely lucky pilot to get an Air Traffic Controller who actually knows something about landing a plane. It's the pilot's job to know what they're doing, not the ATC's.
theres a few key things you probably should ask about, such as landing speed, flap setting, stall speed... most ATC probably could ballpark or find this stuff out for you in an emergency.. time permitting and assuming your planes not on fire at least... the rest of the information is what ATC would give you anyways to get you on a nice final approach.
@@Csilk The ATC doesn't give flap settings or stall speeds lol.
@@nihlify bro the point is if you know what speeds and flaps are for your aircraft, landing technique is similar... No shit ATC wouldn't know these things you'd want them to find out for you in the emergency situation its not like you have a phone a friend while you are trying to land, your telling me no one in that control tower knows a pilot or has no ability to find technical information for you cmon guy.
No one can even googlefu common information in an emergency yeah right.... Oh you dont know well find out because im about to try landing the plane, id refuse to be doomed just because their title was an ATC. But i guess thats the difference between being passive like a beyotch and taking control of the situation.
ATC would go grab a flight engineer or just simply someone who knew every inch of the aircraft. Who could explain the various setting and speeds to fly.@@nihlify
Can airline pilot land cessna ? Hahahaha
Well,yeah,to become a airline pilot you need to know how to fly a smaller plane (cessna,etc).but ok
Live From Flight Simulator hahaha.... I like your comment. My 1st training using cessna.
I play GTA. I can now fly any type of plane or jet fighter.
+KELZA GAMER Beware! Modding its not allowed.
Daaaammm that chrome hydra.
+Daniel Cardei well I'm a rebel, I just spawned in a diamond jet
Lel. Nice taste. Plz don't dislike my video's :(
I can land a 747 in Prepar3D but can't do it in GTA. Can't see my altitude and IAS in GTA :'-(
go battlefield 3 hours count
An E190 isn't really a "big" airliner. It's a regional aircraft.
Yeah
+Deagedx I'm not sure that's true. As an A380 would be very different to fly. Handling would be different also.
+sn0wm4n94 More like the A300-600ST Beluga. Or the Space Shuttle.
Lol
+Deagedx I do agree, but I believe it is more difficult with larger aircraft as things must be more precise with less room for error for larger aircraft. I do agree that all aircraft have little room for error, but in my opinion, I believe that larger aircraft have to have more precision.
Gotta love Houston center’s great top down control
"I think they might have had the fish..." PERFECT!
The pause and then the victorious wah-wah guitar solo upon landing solidly affirms that he did okay. No charred corpses were found in the aircraft that day.
"I think they might have had the fish " XD lol
Hold on, I am watching a show about pilots and they mess up the name of an aircraft. Those would be FA-18 Hornets, not F-16's. Its acceptable on normal tv shows but not a series called "The Aviators TV"...
“We are gonna scramble some f-16s.”
*scrambles f-18 hornets*
That dude coaching is being a total help. Awesome job of explaining it.
The problem is, ATControllers are not commercial pilots. Shouldn't he contact the airline's operation center?
think they had the fish XD
Airplane! movie reference xD
AHAH I saw that movie maybe 3 days ago gladly xD
xD
I don't want to argue, but my personal experience was even though I had my PPP, l and was upgrading to Instrument training, Transitioned from C172 to complex to high performance retract and almost stalled my first take-off in the new airplane. Thankfully the instructor caught it quickly. This taught me that just because one can fly one type of 'plane doesn't mean that one we can fly another successfully. (Unless one is an experienced test pilot) Most of us need extensive type conversion.
I am a student pilot and just soloed. I have landed a falcon 7x and Gulfstream G 100 in Full motion sims. Embraer seems fun to fly!
"Have you ever flown a multiple engine plane?"
"No... only the single-engine fighters during the war."
"S***... this is nothing but a g******* waste of time!"
I got to fly maneuvers and an approach in a Level D CRJ sim when interviewing with Comair back in 2005. Except for the trend monitors, which the airline guy never explained to us in the 30 min classroom brief, it wasn't that hard to stay on the localizer/glideslope. I even managed to land without stuffing the gear struts through the wings!
“We are sending two f-16”
*sends two f-18s*
who directed this production? Such exceptional acting and plot development. I was on the edge of my seat.
Haha, they had the fish.
Not bad but, in real life I doubt his air traffic controller would have as much intimate aircraft knowledge as the instructor sitting behind him in the sim did.
Usually no, but it's happened with smaller airplanes. Usually they just bring a pilot on the line or have the ATC relay messages.
I have something else for you. After I got my PPL and started with my instrument training, I was assigned an Airforce Captain to do the training. We subsequently became friends. He left the military and took up a position in the airlines. He once invited me to come as observer on a 737 training flight. Sitting in the cockpit and watching a 1st Officer getting trained convinced me that there was No way that I ( PPL with instrument time ) could land that plane safely.
LOL 3:24 "I think they might have had the fish" quoting the comedy movie Airplane 1980. That's funny right there.
what the heck is on the stick that has to be blurred out?
the aircraft tail number ("N" number) or the serial number in this case of the simulator- they don't want the specifics of the sim being made public
But can a private pilot land an airliner(a380) with engines 1 and 2 out, strong crosswinds, zero visibility, auto-pilot and throttle broken, and on a runway with just the minimum amount of length needed to land?!!? Lel.
+WinginWolf I would definitely tune in for that episode. ;)
+WinginWolf just pray to god.
+WinginWolf nah we can just press e to get out of the plane and then press 9 to open the parachute
John Lai Lel. Or simply press "esc".
+WinginWolf
LMAO... I'll pray the auto pilot inflate a new pilot in my place.
"The pilots are out of commission I think they may have had the fish" lol nice airplane reference there 😄
That just come out naturally believe it or not! :)
I am a single engine pilot. I once flew a 737 simulator several years ago in Miami. I landed in San Francisco, Capetown, South Africa and did a night landing in Seattle. All in the course of an hour. I even have some video on a HI8 tape to prove it. Interesting thing about this video is that there is no mention of applying reverse thrusters to slow the plane down after touchdown.
At 3:35 he said something about f 16's but I'm pretty sure those planes were F/a 18's 🙌🏼
starts at 0:45
The Air Traffic guy on the radio is a great actor. 10/10 could do Hollywood movies.
Love the Airplane! reference
cool show, but,
if you say 2 f16s, then don't show 2 F18s
that is footage of some f-18's not f-16's lol @3:32
The best part was when the out of commission pilot farts and the passengers gas mark pops out.
Ok in an emergency I would tell ATC "look pal I'm coming straight in clear all traffic"
3.25 "I think they might have had the fish". Great reference...
Glad i wasn't the only one to notice
i believe those were two F-18's not F-16's :P 3:30
Yagh, but it's the thought that counts.
I can answer this: OF COURSE! I'm a private pilot (Cessnas and Fixed wing glider). Trained on Flight Sim X with PMDG on the Boeing 737NG for a while. Then I've rented 1 hour a real simulator in Vegas (where real pilots train) and I was able to start it up from cold and dark, to take off and did some take off and landings.
Well, the answer is ... YES ... provided the private pilot has sufficient knowledge of flying and the systems and procedures involved. After retiring (42 years as an avionics maintenance technician and a 30 year 1500 hour private pilot) I got to "fly" a B727-700 series simulator. I was able to successfully take off, climb, cruise, approach and land (under supervision by a qualified flight instructor). I would have loved to have been an airline pilot but I was extremely fortunate to have had such a long and rewarding career in avionics. .
ATC knows the instrument panel on every airliner? Really? Fantasyland. I have friends who are controllers, and most have no cockpit experience, let alone knowing the location of controls from memory. Of course, ATC might be able to find an rated pilot, but not 20 miles out. There would have been a long period of circling, which the pilot would have had to figure out how to do on his own.
Did it ever show him going gears down?
"musta had the fish" lololol I havent seen that movie in forever. NICE reference
I'm an ultralight pilot.. I got this! Just put my dad on the mic who use to be a military then commercial air traffic controller. No wait.. put my grandfather on the line who was a fighter pilot in WW2... I want to land this puppy "Airplane" style complete with Ted's flashbacks and an inflatable copilot!
Why is part of the panel blurred out?
+magna4100 Nudey calendar on the panel?
Meh, Flight sim has taught me enough to fly anyplane
+MMister Skittlez (Trainz235) Flight sim has taught you enough to get to the crash site.
+F Huber What is true though, is that flight simulator makes it MUCH easier for a private pilot to fly OTHER planes. Once you have had formal training in landing, taking off and navigating, the transition to other aircraft is much more doable. even in an emergency.
+F Huber I was surprised at how valuable sim time was when I started learning. My first landing was in a 182 with a slight crosswind and minimal input from my instructor. There are a few things that don't quite translate from sim to real life, but pretty much all of the basic concepts do. In an emergency someone who has a lot of sim time would be better than someone who had no experience.
Someone who has flown model airplanes would be better than someone with no clue at all...
That doesn't make it a good idea.
I've flown over 300 types of aircraft as models... and 3 full scale... and hundreds of hours of simulators.
Sim time or model airplane time is good enough to get you to the scene of the crash, unless you are extremely lucky.
You'd have to cut it off first.
Truth is, anyone can land a modern airliner, just keep the autopilot engaged, follow instructions to configure the aircraft and let Auto Land do the rest. Auto land will keep you on the center-line and you don't even have to worry about braking as most airliners will also have auto-brakes.
As for MS flight Sim, I always recommend students use it to practice their IFR work.
I'm an ATP with B 757/767 type.
I am a private pilot....and I totally agree with you. They completely underplayed this situation.
I am quite certain anyone with some flight experience would be able to bring an airliner to the ground, and everyone surviving. I still expect a few bruises and bellyslides.
Dream on kid.
CaptainArt777 Care to elaborate a little? I have heard of people bringing them in, in emergency situations. I know that not all are successful, but it has been done.
Tuffenough4u Can we agree that there are good drivers and bad. There are those that are fair to good in a airplane. To fly an airliner on Microsoft is far different than doing it in real life. A long time excellent private pilot will have a shot at it in a real airliner, but most will not. I am a long time pilot and have seen these type of video's before and it just don't make sense to me. I have never, ever, heard of any non pilot or private pilot bringing in an airliner in an emergency. They have in a GA plane. Which is far different than an airliner. If you are a non pilot, get a ride in a GA plane and asked the instructor if you can land it by yourself. Get a feel for it and that will open your eyes. Good Luck and have a nice day.
CaptainArt777 Yes I am sure there is an undeniable huge difference and after actually looking into it a little more I had a hard time finding any evidence to support the claims I had heard about. I for one am in fact a recreational pilot, and I suppose the inner ego in me wants to give it a go regardless, but I certainly understand your reasoning and am sure your quite knowledgeable in field. Appreciate the input.
CaptainArt777 I just want to point out that just about anyone can land an airplane given the right circumstances. I am not disagreeing with your caution here though, merely saying that with enough will to live anyone will sharpen their senses enough to pay attention to instructions from ground control to do exactly what is needed.
That said, you need a helluva lot of common sense too and at least a basic understanding of flight dynamics.
Either way, it's better to have a completely uninitiated person at the stick than no person at all, for obvious reasons.
get a hold of yourself Striker!
"I've planned the approach in my head and now I'm ready to carry it ooooot".
As a young teen I would used to have reoccurring dream that father pilot was incapacitated and I had to take over as a 12 year old. And of all place we were headed to NY, NY. I remember raising the air controllers and the could believe was twelve. I told them over and over I could control the plane, I just needed directions where to go and forgive my lack of radio skills. I brought her down and landed without incidence, declared a hero. Lol.
Nice!
Technically you can be a "private pilot" and own and fly your own 747, so yes, a private pilot CAN can land an airliner. Realistically speaking, I think most experienced private pilots (3000hrs+) wouldn't have trouble landing one anyway.
Are you sure that's not the FAA requirement for a Type Rating...
You assumed correctly. We're on the same page.
Here's the trick, trying to sell the insurance company on insuring your 747 with nothing but a private, multi/instrument, and type rating in hand. That's were a rich pilot is likely to get stopped dead cold.
When it comes to landing, I think piston twins are the worse to have to manage, especially if the altitude is a bit on the high side. Aside from some very narrow commercial uses, the reason to buy a piston twin in my opinion is almost nil when considering direct/indirect costs. Take it easy!
747 is not easy to land ! it may crash if not flown correctly.
joe carr any aircraft may crash if flown incorrectly. Aircraft are sensitive devices anything going wrong can crash the plane. That's why it's important to know how everything in the aircraft you are flying works, not necessarily how to land it. Most commercial airline aircraft can actually do 90% of the landing for you. You just have to know what you're doing and how to do it. If not the autopilot might just take you into the TACAN station lol
Blualphaleader "any aircraft may crash if flown incorrectly" Wise words
6:38 - So uh... Can I get taxi instructions?
This video answers a question I've been always thinkin' about!
The "controller" gave far more info on flying the aircraft than a real life controller would do. If it were for real, it probably wouldn't end so well
Was this ATC at a real airport?
why did they blur and the joystick ?
lesmoor kelly Probably some kind of logo in that spot and they have to block it for copyright reasons.
lesmoor kelly They aren't blurring the joystick (see 2:28) - it will be an information panel on the dash.
If you’re rated for single engine but an emergency puts you in a position of needing to land a multi engine plane, just shut down the extra engines and you’re now flying a plane you’re rated for :P
Wait a second! ;)
"heading 247"- was actually heading 331
"scramble F16's"- they showed a clip of F18's
Also, I work ATC. 99% of controller don't know ANYTHING about flying a plane, they wouldn't have know how to disengage the AP, where the heading selector is, when to flare...... nothing. All they know is how to keep'em separated. Either way, great vid.
Why are 90 people odd? That's not very nice to say.
I think odd means like a word for estimation or approximation so there's approximately 90 people on board.
***** Lol-I know-my post was merely my attempt at humor.
A 7 year old landed a Etihad A380
Oh forgot to mention simulator!
The software used for flight dynamics in multi-million dollar sims is, in essence, the same software used in any really good PC sim. Big difference is in a full motion, full visual sim it’s easy to forget you’re still on the ground. And there’s usually a flight instructor putting you thru the paces. PC sims are great fun and can be a good inducement to get to your local flying field and see what it’s all about. In other words PC sims can be a good intro to the basics of real flight.
"Majority of modern FSs (no, not arcades) act and behave in the same way as the aircraft would in real life." lol good one
I watched this because I play FSX
+Alvin Akbar I just started playing FSX buts its very confusing . I can do the basics Start engine, Flaps, brakes, trim (sometimes) but thats about it.
+dunkindan1 If you stick with it for a bit it all gets easier. There's plenty of learning aides out there. When u get the hang of it though it's really fun! I've spent entire weekends on this damn game lol
+dunkindan1 If you stick with it for a bit it all gets easier. There's plenty of learning aides out there. When u get the hang of it though it's really fun! I've spent entire weekends on this damn game lol
ok, what are they blurring out on the control panel
+RattlerX5150 Most likely the logo for whatever company made the yoke, not blurring it out without permission could end up in a legal suit.
+RattlerX5150
Porn.
That is where the registration numbers for the planes are. I don’t know for this simulator!
Chemtrail control panel..lol
a dong.
As an airline instructor I have seen seasoned pilots struggle the first time in a simulator on a new aircraft with system knowledge. This is about as realistic as the movie Flight, LOL
I'll give you an example. I already had my PPl in a C172 and had logged plenty of hours before doing instrument training and decided simultaneously to upgrade to complex aircraft. No doubt that my first flight would have involved a crash had I not had an instructor on board. Transition from PPL in fixed gear to a higher rating is a whole new set of skills. Not too difficult - just very different. The 1500 hrs minimum is in USA for ATP and 250 minimum for commercial
Hey there, im a kid, 12 years old, im always playing Flight simulator X, and i know how to use ILS approach on 747 - 400 / 8, 737, bombardier, cessna, and now im practicing the airbus, do you think i can land a real one? x) :)
Probably the cessna.
The simulation of the larger aircraft isn't top notch. So I would say no on the others.
if you can fly and land so well when you are 12, you must have talent.
Keep practicing and someday you might be a pilot!
You should tell your parents to send you to flying school
If you run PMDG for the Boeing's than there is a chance you could actually do it. They model all relevant systems accurately. But, it's a pricey piece of software
Rickard Friman I'm not a pilot yet. But I think modern airliners are easier to land without knowledge. Not manually, but if you get instructions to use vectorised approach, ILS approach and autolanding I think you will be able to make a more or less safe landing.
Bad weather etc. will of course change the game.
If you run the pmdg 737 and 747 you are good
Honestly, airliners are so heavily automated nowadays that any regular passenger with the ability to follow directions and has some technical ability can easily land a plane. It's already been proven.
Cody Miller
It's already been proven? Haha, bullshit. Even if it's possible to do an autoland, the aircraft still needs somebody on the controlls who says the autopilot-systems, what it has to do. Bring the aircraft from cruise down, stable on the ILS, manage speeds, headings, altitude an vertical speeds (and during approach there are many inputs in a short periode of time) and configure the aircraft for landing. Somebody, who hasn't any flying background or system knowledge, will fail. And even if all that would be no problem: What happens when the ILS beam, which is required for an autoland, fails during approach? Autopilot would disconnect itself and you're fucked.
I don't know where people like you, which haven't any idea of aviation, always get their shitty theses. Don't read to much tabloids, if you have it from there...
***** Did I say I could do it? No. But experiments have been conducted where people with no flying experience can successfully land a commercial aircraft if directed by the air traffic controller. Adam Savage?
the2jaywhite I find it difficult to be criticized by someone who can't even properly spell insults.
If you read my comment again, I said "The ability to follow directions", meaning that there would be an experienced pilot providing instruction over the radio. A passenger can easily land a plane if they push the right buttons, per say. And don't take that so literally. I can already see where you're going with that.
Cody Miller
Don't worry, I can.
No, that's just wrong. Even if an experienced pilot gives clear instructions: Somebody who hasn't any flying or system background will have big problems to manage it. During approach you have to do many things quick and on the same time. A normal passenger would be overburdened. That's not just "follow directions" and pushing 2 or 3 buttons. Also it is not guaranteed, that you could do a landing by autopilot:
1) you need an airport with ILS CATII/III and not every airport has it.
2) as I say: If ILS beam fails for some reason (and that's not that unlikely) autopilot will disconnect itself and you're fucked.
3) in case of strong crosswinds, autopilot would fail and you're also fucked.
It has a reason, that pilots usually land by hand.
I don't take that literally. But I cannot stand it when people who haven't any idea of a certain topic come up with such allegations.
*****
It's very sad, that many people think beeing an airline pilot is just switiching knobs. Yes there is much automation nowadays (compared with the 60s or 70s) and the computers made some things easier, but it needs still well qualified and skillfull pilots. I have respect what you guys do. Always happy landings!
"Houston we have a problem" He saw the chance. AND HE TOOK IT
This is correct. What they are saying is that after "max demonstrated crosswind" you become a test pilot. In reality, there really is a max limit for all aircraft where no amount of control will get one down safely.
I think they can actually land themselves.
CPRailRTC A 737 can do it.
canturgan Partially correct. As CPRailRTC stated, there are some requirements. The runway needs to be equipped with an ILS that complies with at least the CAT III-standard. Also, the aircraft must be equipped with the autoland-feature and qualified for that approach-manoeuvre, and eventually, the pilot has to set up the autopilot (constraints) and radio correctly. There is no one-click autoland-button that does everything automatically.
stillbruch2009 How is this called again when the airplane can line up with the runway, but there is no glidestrope available, i remeber that, it had a name.. can you help me?
99domini99 hm, VOR? you dont have a glideslope indicator so you dont have ILS you have a VOR instead
Axel D- Yeah that's what im looking for, thanks :) !
As I said, I'm only a hobbyist myself. But I have observed that when you move from one kind of flying to another, your chances for success are much improved.
Consider RC Models. I've trained a few PPL and ATP in the "transition" of flying from a first person perspective to a third person perspective. It's quite a shift and they have to unlearn a few things, but flying experience makes it a lot easier.
I don't think you give the basic understanding of flight itself enough credit.
"Might've had the fish" lol
3:30 awesome reference "I think they had the fish"