As a current tech student who gets to go to these games for free, I almost never do bc of how bad we are. The UNC game this season was great, beating a better team and being at the Benz was so much fun. But every other game I went to (only 2 or 3 more) I left after halftime bc I don't care for football enough to sit around outside and watch us get wrecked
As someone who went to a school with a crappy football team as well, I found it much more enjoyable to just go and tailgate then skip the game entirely haha
I'm a GT alumnus. (1996 B of EE!) Winning at GT is difficult. We're a smaller school. 16500 undergrads vs 30k plus for places like FSU, UF, UGA. Extra students = extra alumni base = more donations money to throw around. Same with stadium issues. Our stadium is 55k seats vs 85k-95k seats for the big state schools. That 30k difference in seats times $100 per ticket times 7 home games = $21 million less to spend. In order for us to win we need to do the college football version of Baseball's "Money Ball". We have to be smart and efficient with our resources. And maybe get a little lucky. And we haven't been doing it.
I was hoping Collins would be the guy. He just isn't. He kind of gave of a bit of a Steve Spurrier vibe....flashy, a bit arrogant. But without any *actual* wins to back it up....what's the point?
@@christopherlawyer4214 Collins is a clown. I hope he stays forever. The problem with the "Joke by Coke" isn't the number of seats, it's the number of tech fans who show up. The only games when the stadium is full are the Clemson and Georgia games when opposing fans fill up the stadium.
@@jcdawg8363 There's fewer GT fans that show up because....there's fewer of us. It's the difference between 16k undergrads and 30k. And back in 1996 when I graduated....we only had 8k undergrads. The 1996 olyimpics got us some new buildings and dorms and more students. During the better years (2014) we had ~90% home attendance....but that still put us 44k less than UGA. Times $100/ticket times 7 home games = $30mil defecit. We cannot compete with you financially. Bleh.
Haven't filled up Boddy Dodd for awhile now. How can you function with 30 to 35 thousand a game? What recruits will want to come? Have to get a PROVEN head coach and quit getting the first time coach and maybe need a new athletic director also
Maybe one day we’ll return to glory. Just need to improve recruiting. Paul Johnson’s run was some amazing years. The orange bowl win against Mississippi State the same year beating Georgia was such an amazing year
Can’t forget the year we played Iowa in the orange bowl. We took a L that game. But that was a amazing year as well. Jonathan Dwyer was something special to watch.
Georgia Tech is like Duke and Vandy as they have very high academic standards that prevents them from recruiting high caliber players. The Triple option was great for them because they could run an effective offense with lower caliber players. They should have hired a coach that would continue in that direction, like Jeff Monken
@@edwardkelly3280 it had lost its luster and I think run its course. We couldnt recruit the superstar QB we needed and the rules changes around crack back blocks and downfield low blocks made it less effective. Not to mention the talent gap between us and our competition that was growing. CPJ took Gailey recruits and won a bunch of games out the gate. he recruited decently over the next few years and put a couple more stellar teams together under Justin Thomas. But recruiting fell off around 2015-2017 and we had no depth whatsoever his last two seasons, or Collins first two seasons. However, we recruit good enough (somewhere around 45th in country) not to be a 3 win team. Even with Collins failures, we still had enough talent to win 6 games last year. Hell we beat UNC. Had Clemson on the ropes. A bunch of other teams were beatable too. We dont need to recruit top 10 in the country to win 7 games a year and go to a bowl. we've proven that over the last several decades and coaching staffs. What we are seeing right now is an outlier for Tech football, not the norm. We've got talented players on roster right frickin now, probably more 4 stars than in the last 15 years. We dont know what to do with them.
I just subbed to you. I’m a die hard Georgia Tech fan and I am rather disappointed in our program the last 3 seasons. We will definitely not be making a bowl game this year we lost our running back Jahmyr Gibbs to Alabama because of the failure of our team. Collins will be out either before the season ends or after it ends. We have had enough of his failure and nonsense. 3-9 is not acceptable here.
I think Gibbs got a NIL deal from bama he couldn't refuse! He's only gonna be there a year and with Tech giving out free TiVo to it's players, no brainer to leave! Tech is getting left in the dust with this new form of legal cheating!
Current student- I’ve actually talked to Collins before and his hearts in the right place. He was tasked with a tough challenge and really does seem to care for the program. We’ll see what happens but I’m optimistic
I know a lot of folks hated the triple option because it did not translate well to the pros, but we had many players from that era go on to the pros. Plus Paul Johnson's offense was a thing of beauty! As an alum from '88, I am saddened to see what our program has become under Collins. Since his first press conference and every conference since, all I hear are tired cliches and worn rhetoric. He says a lot of nothing, and very little progress has made it to the playing field. I don't know who would replace him, but it's not working.
My brother graduated tech in the early 2000's it's a extremely hard school to go through you have to be smart as hell to succeed there getting the type of athletes Georgia gets is nearly impossible the standards are to high
I am a UGA fan and really feel bad for the GT football program, but I agree that academics are more important. The GT recruiters just have to hit the trail harder to find great athletes.
I've been a Georgia Tech fan my whole life because of my dad. First game I remember watching was in 85. Been highs and lows along the way but at this point, averaging 7 wins a year looks pretty dang good!!!!! I have absolutely no faith in Geoff!
I been rooting for Geoff Collins and Georgia Tech for the past couple years and in 2021 After Beating UNC and almost beating Clemson I thought Georgia Tech was going to do something but sadly that didn't happen as they again when 3-9 Record; Georgia Tech just lack the talent needed to compete in the ACC hopefully they have a solid in the future
Nope, not the talents. It is clearly the coaching. I’m a tech student and watched 18 season and 19 in person. The whole process was very painful to watch even the win games. Lack of discipline, tons of unreasonable mistakes. The head coach is super bad and I thought this when they announced him. Very bad. Super bad. Just useless
Nah dude. Tech has had the talent to win games. collins if nothing else can bring in good athletes, but fails miserably to use it. They play embarrassingly undisciplined football, commit so many boneheaded penalties, and the schemes/plays run by the offense and defense routinely fail to use the strengths of the players or put them in positions to make plays. All of that is on coaching. Say what you want about CPJs teams, but while he was the HC, his teams, for the most part, didn't beat themselves. Teams win so many more games if they play disciplined and don't beat themselves than by stacking raw talent alone will ever get them.
They had enough talent to beat Northern illinois. Definately not enough talent, depth, size to compete with the big lines of uga and notre dame at the end of this season. You have to win when you can. And it is hard to get more talent with multiple 3 win seasons
As a current Tech student and a huge fan my entire life. The rivalry game between GT and UGA has always been the biggest day of the year for me. Yet this time I had tickets to the game. I had never been to the rivalry game and always wanted to go but something about being this horrendous and facing the number 1 team just seemed so depressing. With Paul Johnson we were always under dogs but we would fight and sometimes pull of miracle victories. Each game was intense to watch and we always had a chance. Under Geoff Collins this team has been abysmal and his decisions have always been horrendous. His play calling and coaching has gotten us nowhere but worse off.
I’m a GT grad and have been to the last 5 GT vs UGA games. I remember the good days under Johnson when GT vs UGA games were the highlight of my Thanksgiving weekend. Boy have times changed
Only went to one Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate and it also happened to be my last game as a student (Hooray). Needless to say, getting destroyed by an almost bored u(sic)ga team was a pretty miserable way to go out and it's somehow only gotten worse since then
I hurt watching this video. Well done. Tech is NEVER about excuses. I was all in as well with CGC, but he oversold his resume and the AD bought it so he needs to go too. We will need to be very creative, I think about the offenses at GA Southern, with options and passing. CPJ was treated badly and until we fix that wrong we can’t go forward after we jettison the used boat salesman we have now. 2-10 will be a miracle.
I agree 100%. We might beat western Carolina and that’s it. I too supported CGC the first two seasons but last year was horrible. We should have made some kind of improvement in year three. Is it too late to hire Jeff Monken and just bring the option back? Paul never brought in the highest rated recruits but he brought in kids that fit his scheme and we were at least competitive.
Tech hasn’t been a powerhouse in over 60 years. They’re a perennial 7-8 win program. But at least they were competitive. All they need is a real coach as opposed to a cheerleader.
As a life long tech fan, I truly don’t believe we will ever be relevant again. With increasingly difficult academic standards, and the terrible coaching staff, there is no way we can get recruits. Seeing Jahmyr Gibbs transfer was the final straw. He was honestly our only bright spot
Nah. Look at the teams that were doormats over the last 20 years. Wake Forest used to be TERRIBLE. Now they have made six straight bowls. Vanderbilt is a doormat but even they had a moment in the sun under Franklin a few years back. People may forget but between the George Welsh years and when Mendenhall took over UVA was awful, and they made an orange bowl in 2019. Even schools with academic standards can succeed. Northwestern is coming off of their best decade in program history. Duke is in a transitional period right now, but Cutcliffe had them pretty good for a few years. What I’m saying is that if they can do that, then we definitely can at least be relevant at one point. It may not be under Collins, but with the right coach, it can happen.
Tech fan here. If Collins doesn’t improve this is his last year. We’ve struggled before and been able to get back. It may take time but I’m confident we will be good again one day.
Everyone always brings up the "biggest rebuild in college football history" yet most people forget that it's not as if Collins took over a 3-9 team. Georgia Tech was a respectable 7-win bowl-bound team when he took over. It was only after he took over that they became a 3-win team. I'm so sick and tired of people saying, "well at they're playing real/big boy football now". What does that matter when we look like Vanderbilt now? Georgia Tech used to at least have an identity, using an unconventional offense to at least give them a chance to win game in ans game out. Regardless of talent, and regardless of how much the Boosters essentially SUBOTAGED Paul Johnson
Cant blame Gibbs and the rest of the players transferring out--why play for a loser and sit home for the holidays and watch other teams play in a bowl--why not go play for a winner. Read where the Wyoming transfer changed his mind and chose USC----go play for a winner.
They could have transitioned slowly to the spread by running a system similar to what michigan ran this year and attached bubble screens to most of the RPOs. Then make the team more passing oriented after that.
I am hopeful for improvement but definitely not convinced that Collins is the coach to even get us back to Bowl eligibility. That task seems like a Miracle on Techwood these days
As a Georgia tech student and lifelong fan, were getting there. We’re in a rebuild time and have had three consecutive years with one of the hardest schedules in the country, this year being THE hardest schedule. We’ll get there soon, all of our fans can feel the energy that’s coming
I'm 56 years old. I've been a fan all my life because of my dad in 1973. All my friends are Georgia fans. I love the blue and old gold. I don't think Collins will get it done. I pray that he will, for sake to climb out mediocrity. Things I want to say about recruiting, but I want. I'll say this: in game coaching, it could be better.
GT has transitioned from a pretty good state school from an internationally recognized public ivy, having T5 national programs in engineering and computer science. As a result, a lot more of the people enrolling in tech are international students (23%) who don't care about football. That, along with the competition with the falcons and uga being the flagship school, means GT isn't gonna be a football powerhouse for a long time to come.
We’ve never been a powerhouse since after the 60s, we’ve been a competitive and respected team that can show up and play hard but the culture here belongs to UGA and that will never change, but there could be a day we get good regain our respect and show people Atlanta is ours. That’s all tech will ever be and unfortunately state wise we will always be UGAs little brother….. but I’m ok with that, I like being the underdog, it makes the 11 win seasons, ACC and orange bowl championships and victory’s over UGA so much more worth it. I love my yellow Jackets and always will❤️
You are exactly right. I've been saying this exact thing for years now. Tech will NEVER be relevant in a Power Conference ever again, similar to Vandy in the SEC. They need to drop down to a lesser Conference. The bulk of international GT alumni do not care about relevance in American football, therefore they're not contributing dollars or butts in the seats. We hired Collins because he was the cheapest alternative and it's been a failure. We need to be realistic, drop down to a more realistic competition level and hire someone with some experience working with tough academic requirements, similar to Navy, Army, or similar. Otherwise we better get used to 3 and 9 each year.
I'm a top 2000 engineering grad with far and away the top recruitment offers in the Nation -- only top grad to have engineering and managerial credentials in the the top 10.
Nope, not the talents. It is clearly the coaching. I’m a tech student and watched 18 season and 19 in person. The whole process was very painful to watch even the win games. Lack of discipline, tons of unreasonable mistakes. The head coach is super bad and I thought this when they announced him. Very bad. Super bad. Just useless
Georgia tech fan, pain. I don't care about waffle house promotion, 3 stripe life, or anymore hype videos. FIRE Geoff Collins, bring in a coach THAT WILL FREAKING YELL AT HIS PLAYERS AND NOT BABY THEM! I don't mind triple option, it isn't my favorite. But I cannot take any more of this baby stuff. I want tough football, no more losing by double digits every single week.
Georgia Tech's problem is that the school doesn't care. In 2022 it's obvious that you cannot win without full support from the administration. That's what we experienced at Georgia to a different degree. Kirby Smart showed the university where it was lacking in its support for football. UGA stepped up and now Georgia is the class of the SEC East with a national title. The ball is in the Georgia Institute of Technology's court. They have to be the ones to loosen academic standards for student-athletes. They have to compete in the facilities' arms race. Will it ever happen? As a Georgia fan, I'm torn. On one hand, I have no love loss for Georgia Tech. On the other hand, the rivalry just isn't something to look forward to. Tech has just 14 wins since Vince Dooley's first year at Georgia (1964) and by extension, Bobby Dodd's retirement in 1966.
@Vault_5 Well there's your answer Kyle. This is Georgia Tech we can do that! (that being, say we want to play big boy football, but not put the full weight of the school behind it.) I think OLeary placing us on probation back in the day was such a black mark on the school that somehow, someway, every new president when they take the reins has to descend into some dark basement where they swear to the Golden God of G. Wayne Clough that they will not sell GT's academic soul for athletics and they dont. Which is fine I guess. GT is known for its world class academics. UGA is known for football. Its just frustrating to be a Tech sports fan given the clear disadvantages we're starting out with (mentioned in many posts above).
2-10? Who do you see us beating besides western Carolina? That games not even a guarantee under Collins. Your point about transitioning away from the triple option is 100% right though. We may not of ever been a real national title threat under CPJ but we were always competitive and as mentioned in the video nobody looked forward to playing us. I supported Collins the first two seasons but this past season should have been the year we at lest turned a corner a got better as a program and sadly we did not. It was like watching a ball of yarn unroll week after week. The team just fell apart almost every game. I wanted us to hire Jeff Monken after PJ retired. It obviously would have been an easier transition with Monken. Plus the success he’s had at southern and army speaks for itself. I whole heartily believe that we would have won more than 9 games after 3 years with Monken.
I can see 3-9 or maybe even 4-8. I think the new coaches we’ve brought in may help and while Gibbs is gone the portal has brought us some help in. I think we beat WCU, Duke, and Virginia, and maybe one more ACC game depending on how we look. Collins still probably gets axed.
Lifelong Tech fan who went to Ole Miss but has season tickets to Tech. The CGC era has been nothing short of disappointment. I really don't see how we win more than 4 games this year. The biggest question is where do we go from here?
Collins is not a Power 5 coach---Temple !!!!!! Collins couldn't even beat Temple when GT played them. Stansbury is too embarrassed to fire him, because Todd is the one that hired him.
Yep. And the only thing we hear is "gt just will never compete". My ass! I've seent it with my own eyes! we can be a perennial conference contender and every decade an amazing season. But right now we are going straight down the drain.
@@garylemon534 well you have to feel bad for the situation. First year was transition from triple option. Ok. Then covid fucked the whole roster up. 2022 was basically a year 1 all over again. But still. No excuses for the coaching I have witnessed in certain situations
GT needs to bring back the Flexbone. If they run the spread offense like every other major college football team, they’ll get “out-athleted.” True Triple Option like Coach Paul Johnson ran is never seen at FBS level and would be an equalizer for GT against better opponents… let’s hope they bring it back eventually.
That’s the problem in the first place the triple option offense is really difficult to over turn when u turn it into a spread it’s twice as difficult because you would have one change the entire recruiting philosophy on the fly so there goes your first year and second year classes
Honestly Georgia Tech started going down when they left the SEC in the 60s because Dodd was pissed at Bama and the Bear. Since leaving they’ve only had ONE national championship (shared with Colorado) and have only won 3 conference titles (1 was vacated, 1 shared with Florida State). If they had stayed in the SEC they’d be as dominant as Saban’s Bama or at least Smart’s Georgia.
Being a season ticket holder for 10 years and a lifelong fan, I can honestly say the last two seasons under Collins have been the worst I have ever seen. He recruits great athletes but fails in the ability to coach them. Former Tech players don’t necessarily make good coaches. And the husband of your wife’s best friend doesn’t necessarily make a good defensive coordinator. Tech fans are tired of all the cliches. They expect results by this point in time. He’s had enough time to at least get a team to 500. I am more pessimistic than you. I predict another 3-9 year with Collins gone by the end. Then start over again and have to wait another 3 years for the new coach to get his system and players in. It will take Tech a long time to get over all this. More dark days ahead I am afraid.
Hard disagree with “he’s had enough time to get tech to 500”, his first year he was basically dealing with walk ons who had been coached to run the triple option, and still managed to beat win expectations (we were only projected to win 2.5 games in 2019, but one of those was the Citadel). Year 2 we were projected to win 0.5, the fact that he even pulled out 2 wins, much less 3, in year two was impressive, however last year we were projected to win 4 and Collins only came up with 3, so he’s clearly behind the 8 ball. If he doesn’t come up with at least 4 wins this year, he deserves to be axed.
With everything that goes against them, go back to the triple option. It levels the playing field for the military schools who have similar issues that they simply can't fix!
With Johnson we had ways to win games we should never have won. We cannot recruit against most schools. The triple option is fun to watch, we can recruit good players to run it and most importantly it is a good defense also. Slow and keeps the other offense off the field. Until we go back to Johnson` s approach we will never win. Sad
our defense was not good under CPJ. It just limited opportunities. We maybe had 2 good defenses during that time. Of course our D right now is atrocious at a whole nother level
GA Tech was a very solid/good program under Paul Johnson. Why ? He ran an outdated and unconventional system but it was very effective(triple option). The new coach is running a traditional spread and I dont think Tech can consistently recruit the athletes to run a good spread in the ACC. Just my two cents.
I personally disagree. Paul Johnson's offense alone isn't why the team had success. His teams played disciplined no nonsense football. Closer to nick Sabans teams than any "outdated offense" would have you believe. CPJ had one of the best win percentages for a reason The problem at tech is a lot worse than "lack of talent" GT doesn't have a lack of talent under GC
Paul Johnsons team did play with discipline. Also he ran the triple option because it’s very tough to get the beast offensive and defensive linemen along with the other positions is because most players wouldn’t be able to make the grades at tech. I’m a huge fan of the triple option
I promise you people still care about the old gold and navy blue ramblinwreckers. We always stick by our boys. Our fan base is spread far across the country and not very centrally located. This is karma for how CPJ was treated on his way out. That man was a damn Saint and nobody appreciated him outside of our fan base.
As a Georgia alumnus, it's not even fun playing Tech anymore. I want our rivalry to mean something, really hope they can improve enough to become relevant again.
It’s absolutely pathetic what this program has become and heart breaking to see, the once great and competitive program I grew up with watching stay competitive and even beat our top rivals such as Georgia and Clemson is now a joke and an embarrassment in the ACC. Within 3 years we’ve have become a bottom feeder of the ACC. I was excited and once loved Coach Geoff Collins and I understand that a rebuild the size of what he was organizing would not be pretty, but it’s so bad it’s hard to even get excited for Saturdays, there’s Xero improvement and tons of talent that looks underdeveloped and un coordinated, the talent we had on the team should not of produced a 3/9 season, I put the blame 100% on the coaches…. it’s even more frustrating to see the school not seem to even care, it makes me worry that they will just end up hiring another car salesmen coach that talks a big game with nothing to show for it. It’s hard being a Tech fan but I bleed gold and white and will die a yellow jacket 🐝🐝🐝
@@officialmarcjenkins really if we’d just bring back a wishbone base style offense with pro style passing plays sorta like what Ralph Freidgen put in place as OC of tech id be happy. We worked well with that offense and duel threat quarterbacks like Joe Hamilton and George Godsey thrived with that offense because they were both quick on there feet and great passers.
@@hankhill5622 honestly, I'd really be down to see that, I missed the Joe Hamilton Era of Tech, and I feel like I missed something special. We have never won at home since I was born. I just want to see a Yellow Jackets home win against the dogs.
I'm a former GT football booster (low level) and would go to the games when Paul Johnson was the HC. I can remember how the majority of the boosters hated Johnson and wanted him fired yesterday. Why can't we be like Stanford many of them would ask? ... Why do we have to run this 1940s offense? ... Well, ... they got their wishes and as I told them before I stopped being a booster, ... the challenges in modern college football for GT to even be considered the Stanford of the East Coast would be more than the fan base would be willing to pay. The worst thing Collins did was when he arrived as the HC, he right away basically wiped away any former traditions he didn't think meant anything. Just a jerk.
Tech was never going to be Georgia but the real issue is the development of Georgia State and Georgia Southerns football programs. It is much more likely that local talent that doesn’t get the opportunity to go to UGA would end up at State or Southern because the requirements to get in are not nearly as hard. I remember when Georgia Tech was a thorn in Clemsons side.
Georgia Tech should just apply for membership into the Ivy League,they would be a perfect fit academically and could compete athletically plus the draw of seeing the likes of Princeton and Harvard coming to Atlanta would draw some interest
I think tech has had a tough time with recruiting. The triple option/flex bone is so difficult to prepare against and they ran it so well. The offense doesnt necessarily need 5 star athletes to be effective either. The spread just doesnt fit what theyre able to recruit
honestly as a tech fan i seen this coming aside for nick saban and kirby smart or shit booby dodd rising from the grave it was gonna be rough for any coach our roster was not good we had no talent at receiver no quarterbacks that could be relied to throw undersized linemen on both offense and defense. my problem is that we give up at the end of the season every year. 2019 45-0 VA Tech 45-7 georgia. 2020 34-20 pitt and 2021 is the worst 100-0 in two games. all i wanted in the rebuilding years was be competitive if we were competitive then you have some leeway. this is his year now tho our first three years we still had paul johnsons undersized linemen on offense and defense. now every player on this team is his recruit aside from 6th year covid players like dontae smith. he revamped his coaching staff but its hard to not see another 3-9 season coming with three of the four teams that Georgia Tech opens with won nine or more games a season ago.
I have had season tickets to Tech games since 1977 when I graduated from Tech. The Paul Johnson years were great with the Bobby Ross years being un believable great!!! The future for Tech football does not look great. The NIL is really going to hurt all the teams that are not in the top 15 in the country as the best players will all go to the highest bidder. The chance a team like Tech as is to run the triple option with a coach like Johnson as nobody else wanted those players. On defense we only were good occasionally and those are the years we went to the big bowls. I have zero confidence that Collins can turn it around but I will always stay faithful. The reality you touched on is this is one of the most prestigious academic schools in the country and the people running it care more about recruiting research grants in the billions than a football program worth way less than a billion dollars (Univ of AL). Tech may be number one, just not in football. If you want to watch NCAA football, the NIL has made it a 15 team league. The other 200 + teams will never take on the big boys again.
Its really sad that Geoff wanted to transition from the TO. I believe we would’ve had a top offense in the country with a Jeff Sims/ Jahmyr Gibbs triple option attack.
Also GA State and GA Southern moving up to FBS made it hard for Tech to recruit along with Kennesaw St getting a d1 football team too. They had too much to compete with.
Transitioning the offense has nothing to do with any of this. 99% of the players that came to Tech under CPJ had not played in that offense in high school. They all played in the spread. The issue is we need to run option offense to win games. Friedgen ran triple option. Also we need a head coach that know how to win and has discipline. Jeff Monken should be our next head coach.
I’ve been calling for Monken since CPJ announced his retirement. I think you’re the first person other than myself who has mentioned Monken’s name. He would be a great fit back on The Flats.
Strong disagree with tech having to run the option for success. The option in the way it was run under CPJ has a high floor, but not that high of a season. You can get 5-7 wins consistently, but championship season are rare. Top end recruits don’t want to play in it. There’s a reason that 2 of his most successful years where 08 and 09 when he fielded a team of top flight (Gailey recruited) talent
@@Ggg-nv5ly Nor sure what you mean, when I played we ran the wishbone and the veer and I put both hands in the dirt....Offensive tackle and a nose guard.
GT's biggest obstacle to being relevant again is recruiting. The SEC and schools in-conference like Clemson pick the Atlanta area apart in recruiting, and it does not help that GT is not the most beloved program in its own city.
What killed Tech was when a college education became the domain of the everyman instead of being just for rich and/or smart kids. It was a lot easier to pack Grant Field when there weren't so many built-in opportunities to affiliate and become a fan somewhere else. Then Tech started losing the money game when the gate money, athletic fund contributions, and swag royalties went elsewhere. In the 1960s, Clemson (formerly Clemson A&M) and Auburn (formerly Alabama Polytechnic) decided to become universities with a broader curriculum and student body. Tech didn't.
Georgia grad celebrating the end of our 41 year drought, finding it funny that Tech fans flexed that as if 1990 split title was close to something better. Georgia Tech is at best a D2 program right now
This season, I feel, is the year where we have to perform well. If we aren't above .500 after our 6th game of the season, and wind up missing out on a bowl game, it's time to look for a new head coach. Geoff was a supposedly "defensive minded" coach, but how, when our defense is among the worst in the country. I swear to God, if we can't put SOMETHING together this year, and we keep Geoff, I'm gonna lose it.
Maybe our new QB from Clemson can help us. Bad coaching by Collins and Sims needs to be a back up. Yates left because he proved himself in the UNC game and was put on the back burner when sims was ready to play. HORRIBLE COACHING. FIRE HIM
This past season was my first time being a tech fan and watching the football program perform. I'd like to think that there's no where to go but up after those horrendous last two games. 🙃
Father graduated in mid-70s and Pepper Rodgers was coach. I've been a fan since I was a kid. Tech traditionally has been a 7 win season team with some great years every now and then(1990, 98,99,2000, 2008, 2009 and 2014) but Collins has taken Tech to a new low. I really want him to succeed but he hasn't proven to me or anyone he knows how to coach. Tech needs a great coach and great recruiter to play with the likes of Clemson, UGA, etc.
If Collins does get the boot after the season then any of the coaches at the 3 service academies or Coach Bohannon at Kennesaw State should get a look at restoring the option at GT.
I grew-up in the 1950s watching Bobby Dodd-coached teams; then I grew-up with Kim King & Bill Kinard, both of whom were outstanding athletes at Ga. Tech...thus, I've been a Tech fan for over 70 years, i.e. until the last two seasons, during which I switched my old Ga. Tech cap for a University of Georgia cap...just got tired of watching one lackluster performance after another and traded the Jackets for the Dogs, a team who wins. I'll come back when I am shown some improvement in Ga. Tech football. Al Ciraldo & Kim King were turning over where they rests these last few seasons.
Watching Techsince 1960 and the 51-56 teams were the best ever. Very frustrated since Johnson left but never will pull for uga under any circumstance and I have family that went there White and Gold forever. My best days were the best athletic director they had in Homer Rice who hired Bobby Ross and Cremins
@@garylemon534 - You're absolutely correct, Gary, and I know that was one of Kim's true regrets. As I recall, Lothridge was runner-up to Roger Staubach in the Heisman race that year, 1963.
We’ll make a bowl game this year and the only way from here is up. People don’t realize that Tech has to completely rebuild the program from the ground up. Coach PJ was great at getting 2 and 3 star talent to work in his offense, and when he had higher talent he had great years(2009,2014). That being said, he couldn’t recruit defensive players and the offense was devoid of any talent. Yes, there have been many questionable coaching decisions, but is Collin’s really doing worse than any other coach would do in this situation? He has at the very least started to build a brand and connect Tech more to Atlanta and the state. I still believe in Collins. Every coach has sucked at some point. He’s still young for a coach. But he obviously loves Georgia Tech, and the improvement is there. We lost I believe six of our nine losses last year by 8 points or less. A few plays go differently and we look on the season in a very different light. They were still playing with mostly underclassmen and little experience. With a new OC, we’ll be much better this fall.
I’m sorry but at the beginning of the last season I would agree but we are absolutely terrible. He has pretty much all his talent on this team by this point and they look underdeveloped at almost every level. I personally wouldn’t put too much hope into this season but there is a small amount there, we got great talent from the transfer portal and I love the new coaching staff. But with a new coordinator and fairly new staff it’s almost like another new mini rebuild. I don’t know what to expect this season but I’m not hopeful as some
Our team will be worst than duke football very soon at this rate. CPJ never had transfers like CGC! It is a tragedy! Jeff Sims should've chose FSU because he definitely ain't going pro from here
@@AanTsFinest When is the last time GA Tech Basketball has been relevant on the national level? What is Josh Pastners record at GA Tech? When is the last time GA Tech made a nice run in the NCAA tournament? How many times has GA Tech even made the Big 64 in the last 14 seasons? Answer the questions and you will better understand my post.
Definitely out of there! It’s just so hard to get into tech and college football is about money now! With the lack of NIL deals it’s hard to keep the talent home with those obstacles for most top talent
Hard to win games when your defense ranks 117th out of 130 -- Collins, Thacker, and yes Brent Key were overrated -- I expect an announcement after game 4 that they will be terminated after the season.
This was an inevitability after CPJ, which pretty much just left us with walk-ons. Half the coaches Stansbury recruited withdrew their resumes, which is how we ended up with Collins, who should’ve started to turn the corner last year and didn’t. Our schedule is virtually identical to 2017, which is where Paul Johnson’s ship, as you said, started to fill with water, so if Collins can defy expectations he’ll stick around, but he needs to get at least the 5 wins Johnson got.
Both of your statements are false. He left good players. We have good players on both sides of the field. In fact, most of the playmakers in the first 2 years under Collins were CPJ recruits. Secondly, please state which coach withdrew their resume. What we know is that there were 2 coaches that were far more qualified than Collins that stated they were interested and our AD didn't even bother to contact them or interview them. This idiot will be gone by November. Should have been fired last year.
I've followed GT since the early 70s. I now have family in West GA and would purchase GT tickets to share if the program was decent. One can purchase a ticket on whim nowadays. Hate when excellent academic schools lose to the state school.
Triple op killed the program. And was getting played out even to the players. GT wasn't getting recruits cuz of the play style vs the major 5 program tht were running schemes like Oregon. Or having a Tough Defense like Florida Clemson Bama. UGA.
All that talent down south and still suck :( I think they are a smart school so maybe why many players down south can't attend there because of their grades :(
Georgia Tech was the team that back in 1916 beat Cumberland University so badly -- 222-0 -- that the day after that loss Cumberland disbanded its football programme and would not field another team on the gridiron until 1990. But lots of things change in 100+ years.
If Collins gets fired next year our entire team is heading to the portal. There’s no commitment to a team anymore, so we will have to build an offense around walkons and true freshmen most likely
Bro all these GT fans gotta chill, we’re more than a triple option school. We just need the right coach. Geoff Collins is an awful coach from the coaching standpoint. I will never talk Ill of his recruiting because he truly and honestly is great at that part. I just feel bad for Sims man. He’s so talented but he hasn’t been developed at all and unlike Gibbs he doesn’t have a super high stock rn to gtfo of GT but I respect him because he could’ve left for like a Liberty of something but he’s stuck around and I just hope great things for him individually and the other players and just hope we can get rid of Collins and begin our climb out of the dark age of our program
As a current tech student who gets to go to these games for free, I almost never do bc of how bad we are. The UNC game this season was great, beating a better team and being at the Benz was so much fun. But every other game I went to (only 2 or 3 more) I left after halftime bc I don't care for football enough to sit around outside and watch us get wrecked
As someone who went to a school with a crappy football team as well, I found it much more enjoyable to just go and tailgate then skip the game entirely haha
That UNC game was fun. I went to every home game but was very sad lol.
Tech being good and beating good teams is what hooked me.
Study on my friend -- 2000 grad.
Get ramblin wrecked
2000 Engineering grad -- top honers -- I'm pissed, I'm embarrassed, and discouraged at our current football program.
I'm genuinely embarrassed to be a tech fan with GC running the ship. Never could say that when Paul Johnson was the coach, even when the team was bad
How do u feel about the lose to bowling green
I'm a GT alumnus. (1996 B of EE!) Winning at GT is difficult. We're a smaller school. 16500 undergrads vs 30k plus for places like FSU, UF, UGA. Extra students = extra alumni base = more donations money to throw around. Same with stadium issues. Our stadium is 55k seats vs 85k-95k seats for the big state schools. That 30k difference in seats times $100 per ticket times 7 home games = $21 million less to spend. In order for us to win we need to do the college football version of Baseball's "Money Ball". We have to be smart and efficient with our resources. And maybe get a little lucky. And we haven't been doing it.
I was hoping Collins would be the guy. He just isn't. He kind of gave of a bit of a Steve Spurrier vibe....flashy, a bit arrogant. But without any *actual* wins to back it up....what's the point?
@@christopherlawyer4214 Collins is a clown. I hope he stays forever. The problem with the "Joke by Coke" isn't the number of seats, it's the number of tech fans who show up. The only games when the stadium is full are the Clemson and Georgia games when opposing fans fill up the stadium.
@@jcdawg8363 There's fewer GT fans that show up because....there's fewer of us. It's the difference between 16k undergrads and 30k. And back in 1996 when I graduated....we only had 8k undergrads. The 1996 olyimpics got us some new buildings and dorms and more students. During the better years (2014) we had ~90% home attendance....but that still put us 44k less than UGA. Times $100/ticket times 7 home games = $30mil defecit. We cannot compete with you financially. Bleh.
As a fellow Tech fan, I can say you said it perfectly
Haven't filled up Boddy Dodd for awhile now. How can you function with 30 to 35 thousand a game? What recruits will want to come? Have to get a PROVEN head coach and quit getting the first time coach and maybe need a new athletic director also
Maybe one day we’ll return to glory. Just need to improve recruiting. Paul Johnson’s run was some amazing years. The orange bowl win against Mississippi State the same year beating Georgia was such an amazing year
Orange Bowl win against Pro Bowler QB Prescott was epic, no doubt.
Can’t forget the year we played Iowa in the orange bowl. We took a L that game. But that was a amazing year as well. Jonathan Dwyer was something special to watch.
When pigs fly GT will be riding high
@@gooser__43 kind of. Collins had already left to take the FL DC job and didnt coach the bowl game.
Georgia Tech is like Duke and Vandy as they have very high academic standards that prevents them from recruiting high caliber players. The Triple option was great for them because they could run an effective offense with lower caliber players. They should have hired a coach that would continue in that direction, like
Jeff Monken
The fanbase didn’t want flexbone offense. That’s why they kicked Paul Johnson off
@@edwardkelly3280 Paul Johnson retired
@@edwardkelly3280 it had lost its luster and I think run its course. We couldnt recruit the superstar QB we needed and the rules changes around crack back blocks and downfield low blocks made it less effective. Not to mention the talent gap between us and our competition that was growing. CPJ took Gailey recruits and won a bunch of games out the gate. he recruited decently over the next few years and put a couple more stellar teams together under Justin Thomas. But recruiting fell off around 2015-2017 and we had no depth whatsoever his last two seasons, or Collins first two seasons. However, we recruit good enough (somewhere around 45th in country) not to be a 3 win team. Even with Collins failures, we still had enough talent to win 6 games last year. Hell we beat UNC. Had Clemson on the ropes. A bunch of other teams were beatable too. We dont need to recruit top 10 in the country to win 7 games a year and go to a bowl. we've proven that over the last several decades and coaching staffs. What we are seeing right now is an outlier for Tech football, not the norm. We've got talented players on roster right frickin now, probably more 4 stars than in the last 15 years. We dont know what to do with them.
I just subbed to you. I’m a die hard Georgia Tech fan and I am rather disappointed in our program the last 3 seasons. We will definitely not be making a bowl game this year we lost our running back Jahmyr Gibbs to Alabama because of the failure of our team. Collins will be out either before the season ends or after it ends. We have had enough of his failure and nonsense. 3-9 is not acceptable here.
I think Gibbs got a NIL deal from bama he couldn't refuse! He's only gonna be there a year and with Tech giving out free TiVo to it's players, no brainer to leave! Tech is getting left in the dust with this new form of legal cheating!
Agreed 💯 percent
2000 grad -- I feel your pain.
Current student- I’ve actually talked to Collins before and his hearts in the right place. He was tasked with a tough challenge and really does seem to care for the program. We’ll see what happens but I’m optimistic
I know a lot of folks hated the triple option because it did not translate well to the pros, but we had many players from that era go on to the pros. Plus Paul Johnson's offense was a thing of beauty! As an alum from '88, I am saddened to see what our program has become under Collins. Since his first press conference and every conference since, all I hear are tired cliches and worn rhetoric. He says a lot of nothing, and very little progress has made it to the playing field. I don't know who would replace him, but it's not working.
My brother graduated tech in the early 2000's it's a extremely hard school to go through you have to be smart as hell to succeed there getting the type of athletes Georgia gets is nearly impossible the standards are to high
I would say that academics are much more important than sports
@@eastonvonschist2283 lol you don't understand economics and how much revenue football bring to towns and schools. Use your brain dummy.
I am a UGA fan and really feel bad for the GT football program, but I agree that academics are more important. The GT recruiters just have to hit the trail harder to find great athletes.
When Georgia Tech discontinued the triple option and got rid of Paul Johnson, Well you know the rest....
I've been a Georgia Tech fan my whole life because of my dad. First game I remember watching was in 85. Been highs and lows along the way but at this point, averaging 7 wins a year looks pretty dang good!!!!! I have absolutely no faith in Geoff!
I agree. It’s been tough thinking back and even being nostalgic about the Chan Gailey era
Dude last year was really a year 1
I been rooting for Geoff Collins and Georgia Tech for the past couple years and in 2021 After Beating UNC and almost beating Clemson I thought Georgia Tech was going to do something but sadly that didn't happen as they again when 3-9 Record; Georgia Tech just lack the talent needed to compete in the ACC hopefully they have a solid in the future
Collins is not it he worried more bout rebranding than rebuilding the damn team
I hate Geoff collins so much, I mean he is our worst coach by win percentage of all tome
Nope, not the talents. It is clearly the coaching. I’m a tech student and watched 18 season and 19 in person. The whole process was very painful to watch even the win games. Lack of discipline, tons of unreasonable mistakes. The head coach is super bad and I thought this when they announced him. Very bad. Super bad. Just useless
Nah dude. Tech has had the talent to win games. collins if nothing else can bring in good athletes, but fails miserably to use it. They play embarrassingly undisciplined football, commit so many boneheaded penalties, and the schemes/plays run by the offense and defense routinely fail to use the strengths of the players or put them in positions to make plays. All of that is on coaching. Say what you want about CPJs teams, but while he was the HC, his teams, for the most part, didn't beat themselves. Teams win so many more games if they play disciplined and don't beat themselves than by stacking raw talent alone will ever get them.
They had enough talent to beat Northern illinois. Definately not enough talent, depth, size to compete with the big lines of uga and notre dame at the end of this season.
You have to win when you can. And it is hard to get more talent with multiple 3 win seasons
As a current Tech student and a huge fan my entire life. The rivalry game between GT and UGA has always been the biggest day of the year for me. Yet this time I had tickets to the game. I had never been to the rivalry game and always wanted to go but something about being this horrendous and facing the number 1 team just seemed so depressing. With Paul Johnson we were always under dogs but we would fight and sometimes pull of miracle victories. Each game was intense to watch and we always had a chance. Under Geoff Collins this team has been abysmal and his decisions have always been horrendous. His play calling and coaching has gotten us nowhere but worse off.
I’m a GT grad and have been to the last 5 GT vs UGA games. I remember the good days under Johnson when GT vs UGA games were the highlight of my Thanksgiving weekend. Boy have times changed
Only went to one Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate and it also happened to be my last game as a student (Hooray). Needless to say, getting destroyed by an almost bored u(sic)ga team was a pretty miserable way to go out and it's somehow only gotten worse since then
I hurt watching this video. Well done. Tech is NEVER about excuses. I was all in as well with CGC, but he oversold his resume and the AD bought it so he needs to go too. We will need to be very creative, I think about the offenses at GA Southern, with options and passing. CPJ was treated badly and until we fix that wrong we can’t go forward after we jettison the used boat salesman we have now. 2-10 will be a miracle.
I agree 100%. We might beat western Carolina and that’s it. I too supported CGC the first two seasons but last year was horrible. We should have made some kind of improvement in year three. Is it too late to hire Jeff Monken and just bring the option back? Paul never brought in the highest rated recruits but he brought in kids that fit his scheme and we were at least competitive.
Tech hasn’t been a powerhouse in over 60 years. They’re a perennial 7-8 win program. But at least they were competitive. All they need is a real coach as opposed to a cheerleader.
As a life long tech fan, I truly don’t believe we will ever be relevant again. With increasingly difficult academic standards, and the terrible coaching staff, there is no way we can get recruits. Seeing Jahmyr Gibbs transfer was the final straw. He was honestly our only bright spot
Nah. Look at the teams that were doormats over the last 20 years. Wake Forest used to be TERRIBLE. Now they have made six straight bowls. Vanderbilt is a doormat but even they had a moment in the sun under Franklin a few years back. People may forget but between the George Welsh years and when Mendenhall took over UVA was awful, and they made an orange bowl in 2019. Even schools with academic standards can succeed. Northwestern is coming off of their best decade in program history. Duke is in a transitional period right now, but Cutcliffe had them pretty good for a few years. What I’m saying is that if they can do that, then we definitely can at least be relevant at one point. It may not be under Collins, but with the right coach, it can happen.
@@d-upcomix I hope so
Tech fan here. If Collins doesn’t improve this is his last year. We’ve struggled before and been able to get back. It may take time but I’m confident we will be good again one day.
Everyone always brings up the "biggest rebuild in college football history" yet most people forget that it's not as if Collins took over a 3-9 team. Georgia Tech was a respectable 7-win bowl-bound team when he took over. It was only after he took over that they became a 3-win team.
I'm so sick and tired of people saying, "well at they're playing real/big boy football now". What does that matter when we look like Vanderbilt now?
Georgia Tech used to at least have an identity, using an unconventional offense to at least give them a chance to win game in ans game out. Regardless of talent, and regardless of how much the Boosters essentially SUBOTAGED Paul Johnson
Cant blame Gibbs and the rest of the players transferring out--why play for a loser and sit home for the holidays and watch other teams play in a bowl--why not go play for a winner. Read where the Wyoming transfer changed his mind and chose USC----go play for a winner.
They could have transitioned slowly to the spread by running a system similar to what michigan ran this year and attached bubble screens to most of the RPOs. Then make the team more passing oriented after that.
you just admitted that Tech can't compete playing traditional football and that's the real downward trajectory
I am hopeful for improvement but definitely not convinced that Collins is the coach to even get us back to Bowl eligibility. That task seems like a Miracle on Techwood these days
As a Georgia tech student and lifelong fan, were getting there. We’re in a rebuild time and have had three consecutive years with one of the hardest schedules in the country, this year being THE hardest schedule. We’ll get there soon, all of our fans can feel the energy that’s coming
You can't be serious
I'm 56 years old. I've been a fan all my life because of my dad in 1973. All my friends are Georgia fans. I love the blue and old gold. I don't think Collins will get it done. I pray that he will, for sake to climb out mediocrity. Things I want to say about recruiting, but I want. I'll say this: in game coaching, it could be better.
GT has transitioned from a pretty good state school from an internationally recognized public ivy, having T5 national programs in engineering and computer science. As a result, a lot more of the people enrolling in tech are international students (23%) who don't care about football. That, along with the competition with the falcons and uga being the flagship school, means GT isn't gonna be a football powerhouse for a long time to come.
We’ve never been a powerhouse since after the 60s, we’ve been a competitive and respected team that can show up and play hard but the culture here belongs to UGA and that will never change, but there could be a day we get good regain our respect and show people Atlanta is ours. That’s all tech will ever be and unfortunately state wise we will always be UGAs little brother….. but I’m ok with that, I like being the underdog, it makes the 11 win seasons, ACC and orange bowl championships and victory’s over UGA so much more worth it. I love my yellow Jackets and always will❤️
You are exactly right. I've been saying this exact thing for years now. Tech will NEVER be relevant in a Power Conference ever again,
similar to Vandy in the SEC. They need to drop down to a lesser Conference. The bulk of international GT alumni do not care about relevance in American football, therefore they're not contributing dollars or butts in the seats. We hired Collins because he was the cheapest alternative and it's been a failure. We need to be realistic, drop down to a more realistic competition level and hire someone with some experience working with tough academic requirements, similar to Navy, Army, or similar. Otherwise we better get used to 3 and 9 each year.
I'm a top 2000 engineering grad with far and away the top recruitment offers in the Nation -- only top grad to have engineering and managerial credentials in the the top 10.
Nope, not the talents. It is clearly the coaching. I’m a tech student and watched 18 season and 19 in person. The whole process was very painful to watch even the win games. Lack of discipline, tons of unreasonable mistakes. The head coach is super bad and I thought this when they announced him. Very bad. Super bad. Just useless
Georgia tech fan, pain. I don't care about waffle house promotion, 3 stripe life, or anymore hype videos. FIRE Geoff Collins, bring in a coach THAT WILL FREAKING YELL AT HIS PLAYERS AND NOT BABY THEM!
I don't mind triple option, it isn't my favorite. But I cannot take any more of this baby stuff. I want tough football, no more losing by double digits every single week.
Georgia Tech's problem is that the school doesn't care. In 2022 it's obvious that you cannot win without full support from the administration. That's what we experienced at Georgia to a different degree. Kirby Smart showed the university where it was lacking in its support for football. UGA stepped up and now Georgia is the class of the SEC East with a national title. The ball is in the Georgia Institute of Technology's court. They have to be the ones to loosen academic standards for student-athletes. They have to compete in the facilities' arms race. Will it ever happen? As a Georgia fan, I'm torn. On one hand, I have no love loss for Georgia Tech. On the other hand, the rivalry just isn't something to look forward to. Tech has just 14 wins since Vince Dooley's first year at Georgia (1964) and by extension, Bobby Dodd's retirement in 1966.
@Vault_5 Well there's your answer Kyle. This is Georgia Tech we can do that! (that being, say we want to play big boy football, but not put the full weight of the school behind it.) I think OLeary placing us on probation back in the day was such a black mark on the school that somehow, someway, every new president when they take the reins has to descend into some dark basement where they swear to the Golden God of G. Wayne Clough that they will not sell GT's academic soul for athletics and they dont. Which is fine I guess. GT is known for its world class academics. UGA is known for football. Its just frustrating to be a Tech sports fan given the clear disadvantages we're starting out with (mentioned in many posts above).
No one cares about Jeff Collins (except North Carolina). Everyone cares about Keys.
2-10? Who do you see us beating besides western Carolina? That games not even a guarantee under Collins. Your point about transitioning away from the triple option is 100% right though. We may not of ever been a real national title threat under CPJ but we were always competitive and as mentioned in the video nobody looked forward to playing us. I supported Collins the first two seasons but this past season should have been the year we at lest turned a corner a got better as a program and sadly we did not. It was like watching a ball of yarn unroll week after week. The team just fell apart almost every game. I wanted us to hire Jeff Monken after PJ retired. It obviously would have been an easier transition with Monken. Plus the success he’s had at southern and army speaks for itself. I whole heartily believe that we would have won more than 9 games after 3 years with Monken.
I can see 3-9 or maybe even 4-8. I think the new coaches we’ve brought in may help and while Gibbs is gone the portal has brought us some help in. I think we beat WCU, Duke, and Virginia, and maybe one more ACC game depending on how we look. Collins still probably gets axed.
Lifelong Tech fan who went to Ole Miss but has season tickets to Tech. The CGC era has been nothing short of disappointment. I really don't see how we win more than 4 games this year. The biggest question is where do we go from here?
55-0 to Notre dame, 45-0 to uga and vatech. 73-7 to Clemson. That’s the Geoff Collins story. I’ve seen and heard enough about Waffle House.
Collins is not a Power 5 coach---Temple !!!!!! Collins couldn't even beat Temple when GT played them. Stansbury is too embarrassed to fire him, because Todd is the one that hired him.
Yep. And the only thing we hear is "gt just will never compete". My ass! I've seent it with my own eyes! we can be a perennial conference contender and every decade an amazing season. But right now we are going straight down the drain.
@@garylemon534 well you have to feel bad for the situation. First year was transition from triple option. Ok. Then covid fucked the whole roster up. 2022 was basically a year 1 all over again. But still. No excuses for the coaching I have witnessed in certain situations
Should have hired Jeff Monken
Instead of Collins.
GT needs to bring back the Flexbone. If they run the spread offense like every other major college football team, they’ll get “out-athleted.” True Triple Option like Coach Paul Johnson ran is never seen at FBS level and would be an equalizer for GT against better opponents… let’s hope they bring it back eventually.
That’s the problem in the first place the triple option offense is really difficult to over turn when u turn it into a spread it’s twice as difficult because you would have one change the entire recruiting philosophy on the fly so there goes your first year and second year classes
Honestly Georgia Tech started going down when they left the SEC in the 60s because Dodd was pissed at Bama and the Bear. Since leaving they’ve only had ONE national championship (shared with Colorado) and have only won 3 conference titles (1 was vacated, 1 shared with Florida State). If they had stayed in the SEC they’d be as dominant as Saban’s Bama or at least Smart’s Georgia.
Being a season ticket holder for 10 years and a lifelong fan, I can honestly say the last two seasons under Collins have been the worst I have ever seen. He recruits great athletes but fails in the ability to coach them. Former Tech players don’t necessarily make good coaches. And the husband of your wife’s best friend doesn’t necessarily make a good defensive coordinator. Tech fans are tired of all the cliches. They expect results by this point in time. He’s had enough time to at least get a team to 500. I am more pessimistic than you. I predict another 3-9 year with Collins gone by the end. Then start over again and have to wait another 3 years for the new coach to get his system and players in. It will take Tech a long time to get over all this. More dark days ahead I am afraid.
3-9 might be optimistic for this season
1-11 only beating Western Carolina
Hard disagree with “he’s had enough time to get tech to 500”, his first year he was basically dealing with walk ons who had been coached to run the triple option, and still managed to beat win expectations (we were only projected to win 2.5 games in 2019, but one of those was the Citadel). Year 2 we were projected to win 0.5, the fact that he even pulled out 2 wins, much less 3, in year two was impressive, however last year we were projected to win 4 and Collins only came up with 3, so he’s clearly behind the 8 ball. If he doesn’t come up with at least 4 wins this year, he deserves to be axed.
With everything that goes against them, go back to the triple option. It levels the playing field for the military schools who have similar issues that they simply can't fix!
With Johnson we had ways to win games we should never have won. We cannot recruit against most schools. The triple option is fun to watch, we can recruit good players to run it and most importantly it is a good defense also. Slow and keeps the other offense off the field. Until we go back to Johnson` s approach we will never win. Sad
our defense was not good under CPJ. It just limited opportunities. We maybe had 2 good defenses during that time. Of course our D right now is atrocious at a whole nother level
Being a Dawg fan from South Carolina I always liked GT also. Hated to see PJ leave, he was a scary coach to play. Enjoyed when they beat Clemson
GA Tech was a very solid/good program under Paul Johnson. Why ? He ran an outdated and unconventional system but it was very effective(triple option). The new coach is running a traditional spread and I dont think Tech can consistently recruit the athletes to run a good spread in the ACC. Just my two cents.
I personally disagree. Paul Johnson's offense alone isn't why the team had success. His teams played disciplined no nonsense football. Closer to nick Sabans teams than any "outdated offense" would have you believe. CPJ had one of the best win percentages for a reason
The problem at tech is a lot worse than "lack of talent" GT doesn't have a lack of talent under GC
@@CrumbsLamond You have your perspective, I have mine! Thank You!
Paul Johnsons team did play with discipline. Also he ran the triple option because it’s very tough to get the beast offensive and defensive linemen along with the other positions is because most players wouldn’t be able to make the grades at tech. I’m a huge fan of the triple option
It's talent all over Georgia and Florida just be competent and they'll come.
Yeah, Tech could never recruit a running back that is good enough to play at a school like Alabama.
I'm scared driving thru Atlanta.. can't imagine going too a football game.
Why?
Paul Johnson was a master at getting the most out of limited talent. He over achieved.
I promise you people still care about the old gold and navy blue ramblinwreckers. We always stick by our boys. Our fan base is spread far across the country and not very centrally located.
This is karma for how CPJ was treated on his way out. That man was a damn Saint and nobody appreciated him outside of our fan base.
CPJ could score 40 a game, yet the defense would give up 40 a game
@@garylemon534 never was close to 9-25. Beat georgia 3 times. CGC can't even score on georgia. Pathetic.
As a Georgia alumnus, it's not even fun playing Tech anymore. I want our rivalry to mean something, really hope they can improve enough to become relevant again.
Thank you! You guys had an amazing year last year. Like you said, hope Tech can get back to being respectable.
As a Georgia Tech fan, Fire Collins
@Narlex, agreed and bring back the Option!
It’s absolutely pathetic what this program has become and heart breaking to see, the once great and competitive program I grew up with watching stay competitive and even beat our top rivals such as Georgia and Clemson is now a joke and an embarrassment in the ACC. Within 3 years we’ve have become a bottom feeder of the ACC. I was excited and once loved Coach Geoff Collins and I understand that a rebuild the size of what he was organizing would not be pretty, but it’s so bad it’s hard to even get excited for Saturdays, there’s Xero improvement and tons of talent that looks underdeveloped and un coordinated, the talent we had on the team should not of produced a 3/9 season, I put the blame 100% on the coaches…. it’s even more frustrating to see the school not seem to even care, it makes me worry that they will just end up hiring another car salesmen coach that talks a big game with nothing to show for it. It’s hard being a Tech fan but I bleed gold and white and will die a yellow jacket 🐝🐝🐝
We should've just kept the triple option. It was interesting and actually allowed us a punchers chance against anyone
@@officialmarcjenkins really if we’d just bring back a wishbone base style offense with pro style passing plays sorta like what Ralph Freidgen put in place as OC of tech id be happy. We worked well with that offense and duel threat quarterbacks like Joe Hamilton and George Godsey thrived with that offense because they were both quick on there feet and great passers.
You and me too, brother
@@hankhill5622 honestly, I'd really be down to see that, I missed the Joe Hamilton Era of Tech, and I feel like I missed something special. We have never won at home since I was born. I just want to see a Yellow Jackets home win against the dogs.
@@nerdstop5025 You missed tech playing with ineligible players and having to vacate wins.
Never should have let Paul Johnson go.
I'm a former GT football booster (low level) and would go to the games when Paul Johnson was the HC. I can remember how the majority of the boosters hated Johnson and wanted him fired yesterday. Why can't we be like Stanford many of them would ask? ... Why do we have to run this 1940s offense? ... Well, ... they got their wishes and as I told them before I stopped being a booster, ... the challenges in modern college football for GT to even be considered the Stanford of the East Coast would be more than the fan base would be willing to pay. The worst thing Collins did was when he arrived as the HC, he right away basically wiped away any former traditions he didn't think meant anything. Just a jerk.
Tech was never going to be Georgia but the real issue is the development of Georgia State and Georgia Southerns football programs. It is much more likely that local talent that doesn’t get the opportunity to go to UGA would end up at State or Southern because the requirements to get in are not nearly as hard. I remember when Georgia Tech was a thorn in Clemsons side.
Georgia Southern is in a rough spot and making a major offense scheme change from a run heavy offense to an Air Raid.
Georgia Tech should just apply for membership into the Ivy League,they would be a perfect fit academically and could compete athletically plus the draw of seeing the likes of Princeton and Harvard coming to Atlanta would draw some interest
people would be doing homework in the stands at that point. no thanks
I think tech has had a tough time with recruiting. The triple option/flex bone is so difficult to prepare against and they ran it so well. The offense doesnt necessarily need 5 star athletes to be effective either. The spread just doesnt fit what theyre able to recruit
That’s why it’s taking time but fans are impatient
honestly as a tech fan i seen this coming aside for nick saban and kirby smart or shit booby dodd rising from the grave it was gonna be rough for any coach our roster was not good we had no talent at receiver no quarterbacks that could be relied to throw undersized linemen on both offense and defense. my problem is that we give up at the end of the season every year. 2019 45-0 VA Tech 45-7 georgia. 2020 34-20 pitt and 2021 is the worst 100-0 in two games. all i wanted in the rebuilding years was be competitive if we were competitive then you have some leeway. this is his year now tho our first three years we still had paul johnsons undersized linemen on offense and defense. now every player on this team is his recruit aside from 6th year covid players like dontae smith. he revamped his coaching staff but its hard to not see another 3-9 season coming with three of the four teams that Georgia Tech opens with won nine or more games a season ago.
I have had season tickets to Tech games since 1977 when I graduated from Tech. The Paul Johnson years were great with the Bobby Ross years being un believable great!!! The future for Tech football does not look great. The NIL is really going to hurt all the teams that are not in the top 15 in the country as the best players will all go to the highest bidder. The chance a team like Tech as is to run the triple option with a coach like Johnson as nobody else wanted those players. On defense we only were good occasionally and those are the years we went to the big bowls. I have zero confidence that Collins can turn it around but I will always stay faithful. The reality you touched on is this is one of the most prestigious academic schools in the country and the people running it care more about recruiting research grants in the billions than a football program worth way less than a billion dollars (Univ of AL). Tech may be number one, just not in football. If you want to watch NCAA football, the NIL has made it a 15 team league. The other 200 + teams will never take on the big boys again.
Its really sad that Geoff wanted to transition from the TO. I believe we would’ve had a top offense in the country with a Jeff Sims/ Jahmyr Gibbs triple option attack.
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We would have been successful if he got rid of Thacker and Patanaude after year 1
But do Sims and Gibbs come if TO would have stayed....
The problem with your argument is that Sims and Gibbs wouldn’t have signed with Tech if we were still running the option.
It's hard to recruit to the TO offense and its chop blocking when your players know they have almost no chance of getting to the next level.
Also GA State and GA Southern moving up to FBS made it hard for Tech to recruit along with Kennesaw St getting a d1 football team too. They had too much to compete with.
As a diehard tech fan I can confidently say that we will not make a bowl with Geoff Collins at head coach.
Transitioning the offense has nothing to do with any of this. 99% of the players that came to Tech under CPJ had not played in that offense in high school. They all played in the spread. The issue is we need to run option offense to win games. Friedgen ran triple option. Also we need a head coach that know how to win and has discipline. Jeff Monken should be our next head coach.
As an Army fan I hope not but realize eventually Monken will leave
I’ve been calling for Monken since CPJ announced his retirement. I think you’re the first person other than myself who has mentioned Monken’s name. He would be a great fit back on The Flats.
We don't need the triple option. This is nonsense from someone who's never put their hand in the dirt.
Strong disagree with tech having to run the option for success. The option in the way it was run under CPJ has a high floor, but not that high of a season. You can get 5-7 wins consistently, but championship season are rare. Top end recruits don’t want to play in it. There’s a reason that 2 of his most successful years where 08 and 09 when he fielded a team of top flight (Gailey recruited) talent
@@Ggg-nv5ly Nor sure what you mean, when I played we ran the wishbone and the veer and I put both hands in the dirt....Offensive tackle and a nose guard.
GT's biggest obstacle to being relevant again is recruiting. The SEC and schools in-conference like Clemson pick the Atlanta area apart in recruiting, and it does not help that GT is not the most beloved program in its own city.
What killed Tech was when a college education became the domain of the everyman instead of being just for rich and/or smart kids. It was a lot easier to pack Grant Field when there weren't so many built-in opportunities to affiliate and become a fan somewhere else. Then Tech started losing the money game when the gate money, athletic fund contributions, and swag royalties went elsewhere.
In the 1960s, Clemson (formerly Clemson A&M) and Auburn (formerly Alabama Polytechnic) decided to become universities with a broader curriculum and student body. Tech didn't.
As a GT student, GT is a TOUGH school academically that doesn’t run a pro style program. That will get you a whole lot of NOPE from top HS recruits.
@@gooser__43 not many that I’ve seen lol
Geoff Collins should be fired. He is an embarrassment.
Georgia grad celebrating the end of our 41 year drought, finding it funny that Tech fans flexed that as if 1990 split title was close to something better. Georgia Tech is at best a D2 program right now
The ‘90 Tech team wasn’t blown out during the season like uga this past season. No way you beat a healthy ‘Bama.
@@pookiejames05 1990
We went down after Paul Johnson.
It’s tough to recruit when your closest rivals are either reigning national champions or have been to 5 in the last 8 years
This season, I feel, is the year where we have to perform well. If we aren't above .500 after our 6th game of the season, and wind up missing out on a bowl game, it's time to look for a new head coach.
Geoff was a supposedly "defensive minded" coach, but how, when our defense is among the worst in the country. I swear to God, if we can't put SOMETHING together this year, and we keep Geoff, I'm gonna lose it.
I'm sorry but as a die hard fan they aren't close to a six win season.
@@ronnywestbrooks3794 I know we aren't, but that has to be the standard for the season, it's year 4 in the rebuild, show up, or ship out. Yknow?
Trust me I think Collins will be out sooner than u think.
NIU beating them in the home opener in 2021 was awesome.
I think Collins knows he is gone. He ain’t putting any effort in this year. I say 2 wins. Fired by game 8
I'm a Dawg fan but would still like to see Tech get better.
Imagine if the rivalry between UGA and Tech was actually exciting to watch again.
Maybe our new QB from Clemson can help us. Bad coaching by Collins and Sims needs to be a back up. Yates left because he proved himself in the UNC game and was put on the back burner when sims was ready to play. HORRIBLE COACHING. FIRE HIM
Hope everyone's excited for the miserable and just plain awkward year we have in front of us
This past season was my first time being a tech fan and watching the football program perform. I'd like to think that there's no where to go but up after those horrendous last two games. 🙃
As a recent alumni, I can confidently say that we still care. Brent Key gives me hope for the program.
Key has changed the culture of the program and it feels like he is turning everything around. Especially after last night
Father graduated in mid-70s and Pepper Rodgers was coach. I've been a fan since I was a kid. Tech traditionally has been a 7 win season team with some great years every now and then(1990, 98,99,2000, 2008, 2009 and 2014) but Collins has taken Tech to a new low. I really want him to succeed but he hasn't proven to me or anyone he knows how to coach. Tech needs a great coach and great recruiter to play with the likes of Clemson, UGA, etc.
Joe Hamilton was one of my favorite QBs growing up.
Bro all my friends are Bulldogs fans. I literally the only student at my 2000 kid high Scholl in the middle of downtown Atlanta its just sad😫
If Collins does get the boot after the season then any of the coaches at the 3 service academies or Coach Bohannon at Kennesaw State should get a look at restoring the option at GT.
I hate to say this I doubt Collins will not get fired Tech couldn't afford to let Collins go needs fired the Dc
I grew-up in the 1950s watching Bobby Dodd-coached teams; then I grew-up with Kim King & Bill Kinard, both of whom were outstanding athletes at Ga. Tech...thus, I've been a Tech fan for over 70 years, i.e. until the last two seasons, during which I switched my old Ga. Tech cap for a University of Georgia cap...just got tired of watching one lackluster performance after another and traded the Jackets for the Dogs, a team who wins. I'll come back when I am shown some improvement in Ga. Tech football. Al Ciraldo & Kim King were turning over where they rests these last few seasons.
Watching Techsince 1960 and the 51-56 teams were the best ever. Very frustrated since Johnson left but never will pull for uga under any circumstance and I have family that went there White and Gold forever. My best days were the best athletic director they had in Homer Rice who hired Bobby Ross and Cremins
The best was Billy Lothridge-- he beat UGA 3 times, the Lefty King, and Kinard never beat UGA.
@@garylemon534 - You're absolutely correct, Gary, and I know that was one of Kim's true regrets. As I recall, Lothridge was runner-up to Roger Staubach in the Heisman race that year, 1963.
They should bring the triple option back
We’ll make a bowl game this year and the only way from here is up. People don’t realize that Tech has to completely rebuild the program from the ground up. Coach PJ was great at getting 2 and 3 star talent to work in his offense, and when he had higher talent he had great years(2009,2014). That being said, he couldn’t recruit defensive players and the offense was devoid of any talent.
Yes, there have been many questionable coaching decisions, but is Collin’s really doing worse than any other coach would do in this situation? He has at the very least started to build a brand and connect Tech more to Atlanta and the state. I still believe in Collins. Every coach has sucked at some point. He’s still young for a coach. But he obviously loves Georgia Tech, and the improvement is there.
We lost I believe six of our nine losses last year by 8 points or less. A few plays go differently and we look on the season in a very different light. They were still playing with mostly underclassmen and little experience. With a new OC, we’ll be much better this fall.
I’m sorry but at the beginning of the last season I would agree but we are absolutely terrible. He has pretty much all his talent on this team by this point and they look underdeveloped at almost every level. I personally wouldn’t put too much hope into this season but there is a small amount there, we got great talent from the transfer portal and I love the new coaching staff. But with a new coordinator and fairly new staff it’s almost like another new mini rebuild. I don’t know what to expect this season but I’m not hopeful as some
Sadly your rite Hank Hill. The athletic director has disemated our program.
Our team will be worst than duke football very soon at this rate. CPJ never had transfers like CGC! It is a tragedy! Jeff Sims should've chose FSU because he definitely ain't going pro from here
You could also do one on Techs Basketball. They haven't been much to write home about either.
Winning the ACC Championship a year ago is nothing to write home about??
@@AanTsFinest When is the last time GA Tech Basketball has been relevant on the national level? What is Josh Pastners record at GA Tech? When is the last time GA Tech made a nice run in the NCAA tournament? How many times has GA Tech even made the Big 64 in the last 14 seasons? Answer the questions and you will better understand my post.
Definitely out of there! It’s just so hard to get into tech and college football is about money now! With the lack of NIL deals it’s hard to keep the talent home with those obstacles for most top talent
Hard to win games when your defense ranks 117th out of 130 -- Collins, Thacker, and yes Brent Key were overrated -- I expect an announcement after game 4 that they will be terminated after the season.
I said the same thing
Can you believe that Thacker is still here!!! That tells you something
Brent Key is extremely overrated, Thacker gets about as much shit as he deserves
Paul Johnson found a way to win games with bad defense
He should have been fired after the Citadel game with this loss. Gt was never in this game from the start
Athletic director has just killed the program with meadocrity!
I think they have to do what SMU has done in Dallas, and really make the ATL part of their brand.
agreed. atlanta tech yellow jackets
Tech should just delete their program. This team just doesn’t care anymore.
Tech won't come back either, NIL is going to screw us. Honestly, we would be better off if we had stuck with the triple option.
4 straight beatdowns by pitt to GT
What do UGA and Ga Tech have in common? A “mehhhhhhhh” tradition.
They need to get rid of Geoff Collins. Dude is a joke.
This was an inevitability after CPJ, which pretty much just left us with walk-ons. Half the coaches Stansbury recruited withdrew their resumes, which is how we ended up with Collins, who should’ve started to turn the corner last year and didn’t. Our schedule is virtually identical to 2017, which is where Paul Johnson’s ship, as you said, started to fill with water, so if Collins can defy expectations he’ll stick around, but he needs to get at least the 5 wins Johnson got.
Both of your statements are false. He left good players. We have good players on both sides of the field. In fact, most of the playmakers in the first 2 years under Collins were CPJ recruits. Secondly, please state which coach withdrew their resume. What we know is that there were 2 coaches that were far more qualified than Collins that stated they were interested and our AD didn't even bother to contact them or interview them. This idiot will be gone by November. Should have been fired last year.
3-9 bye to Collins Thank goodness
They will cut the football program out .
You can put lots of teams here. Pittsburgh, Florida State, Auburn. Many more
I've followed GT since the early 70s. I now have family in West GA and would purchase GT tickets to share if the program was decent. One can purchase a ticket on whim nowadays. Hate when excellent academic schools lose to the state school.
Triple op killed the program. And was getting played out even to the players. GT wasn't getting recruits cuz of the play style vs the major 5 program tht were running schemes like Oregon. Or having a Tough Defense like Florida Clemson Bama. UGA.
I remember Georgia Tech winning national titles when I was a kid, now I forget they even have a football team
All that talent down south and still suck :( I think they are a smart school so maybe why many players down south can't attend there because of their grades :(
Georgia Tech was the team that back in 1916 beat Cumberland University so badly -- 222-0 -- that the day after that loss Cumberland disbanded its football programme and would not field another team on the gridiron until 1990. But lots of things change in 100+ years.
Ima Tech Fan 4Life!! Can’t wait to get the wins back rolling!!!
#THWG
THWgt
If Collins gets fired next year our entire team is heading to the portal. There’s no commitment to a team anymore, so we will have to build an offense around walkons and true freshmen most likely
Recent years more like past 20 years. I wish they would be better for the Old fashion hate.
One day, the Jackets will be good again. One day...
I miss the GT option! They won a share of the National Title with it, let's Go Rambling' Wreck!
No they didnt - they won a share of the title in 1990 and they went to the option in 2008
@@petetheodocion9542 I appreciate the correction.
Bro all these GT fans gotta chill, we’re more than a triple option school. We just need the right coach. Geoff Collins is an awful coach from the coaching standpoint. I will never talk Ill of his recruiting because he truly and honestly is great at that part. I just feel bad for Sims man. He’s so talented but he hasn’t been developed at all and unlike Gibbs he doesn’t have a super high stock rn to gtfo of GT but I respect him because he could’ve left for like a Liberty of something but he’s stuck around and I just hope great things for him individually and the other players and just hope we can get rid of Collins and begin our climb out of the dark age of our program