I think that this is very true of many people in the US; most of us are able to easily meet our most basic physiological needs and often look outside ourselves for models of behavior that we can follow. This is the basic function of social media in a nutshell.
I don't personally believe it's true, but it is shockingly good at explaining human behavior. There is only rare cases where someone chooses to do something that their surrounding influences don't present as an option, so it is almost impossible to prove wrong from my view of psychology.
It shows, again, how free will does not exist. From the way you were treated as a baby, and the toys you were given, and the people and places you encountered, you were being programmed. Between that, and whatever innate properties your parents passed down to you, that is who you are and will define the path of your life, just as it is right now.
It’s true for some I think. My father will often want something simply because someone else has it and not because he genuinely wants it. I think noticing and realizing that tendency is true freedom.
My mother can relate to it, too. Not having something her friends have genuinly makes her unhappy and unfitting to her circle. Maybe mimitic theory works on people who has something similar to social anxiety?
I think this "mimetic theory" has to do with the overall desire of people to belong in a desirable condition. But even if you mimic someone else, circumstances and events changes according to ones individuality. Nobody is really the same and even in imitations occurs variations.
Those concepts are a bit mixed up in the video. But there is actually a great piece of work on RUclips that really explains Rene girards theory. There are lectures by Jonathan limbo and David Perell. They are a classic to understanding this. You could check them out if you mind
I think the theory gives a really good explanation to human behavior and the things we "desire". Also I think, that it's important to establish such behavior in the childhood. Meaning, that we should let our children decide more, what they want to wear, do, eat, etc. but in the boundaries of good conversation, and learning them to make these choices based on their own believes and choices, not others. But it's complex, because all parents, has different methods for this and usually most parents, put in their own opinion so much, that the child forms an opinion likely.
Since we are social animals I belive that the metaphysical desires take up at least 75% of what we want and the 25 %is what we actually want like exploration of passions or trying new things
Girard was one of the greatest. He wrote about how christianity breaks the vicious cycle of scapegoating and also how people after scapegoating or getting rid of someone always realize that the scapegoat was never the actual problem. The problem of course being their own lack of sufficient desire. But it is an adventure reading him - how people fuel themselves and their own bitterness by singling out someone and end up having to admit to their own toxicity/dysfunction in the end is sth that will always be relevant
Having studied creativity, most new things are just combinations, like the iPhone was a phone and a computer combined, yet seen as innovative. Most novelty still stems from known knowledge, There are few who are really creative.
This theory might be missing out on the other half of mimetic behaviour: avoiding being the cast-away or scape goat. Many people will truly follow suit due to fear, and fear alone. Also, some may try to fit in because others will pay them to do so, fulfilling their desire: daily needs. Finally, presuming the theory is true, what happens if the current trend is creativity/breaking old trends?
I think this is true for a percentage of the population. I would be interested to see the specific percentage, if an educated study could be done However I don’t think this is everyone. I can picture the type of person that this works for and think of people I’ve met in the past. These are people that usually require effort to be around. I think this falls apart with my favorite kind of people. Authentic people who are self conscious. Interocept and exterocept on a regular basis to the point where it’s almost not even in their consciousness and more subconscious. I’ve remember meeting a drifter who some might label as homeless. I don’t think he falls in these categories. Even though I knew him for only a few hours I considered him my friend. Hope he is still doing well.
This personally got to my soul, as I enjoy being different and standing out, but is it for the right reasons ? Also I think that it is both this theory, and that we are given our own choices. Very fascinating subject.
Also to counter this theory, if I don't follow behaviors from a person where am I learning these behaviors in the first place? Whether I get it from a book or a person I think we take whatever we learn from the world and make it our own. I want to see a video countering this theory.
In a aspect mimetic theory is true and we see it in early childhood development. In ECD how a person develops language and thought is influenced by mimicking their environment, that part rings true in mimetic theory, however the theory does have its limitation once we get to complex areas like group behavior. We do need more information on the more underlying psychological reason to why someone might identify and behave a certain way in a group setting, but for the most part his theory is correct in the very basic level.
I think being the uncool kid in school, who had the first mountain bike anyone had ever seen, is why somebody tampered with it... which led to my near death, afterwards.😕
i think that you can decide to do things that will not help you towards the goal of being a supreme or heightened being, things like selfless love, where you really are gaining nothing in return, physically and metaphysically speaking. For the majority of the decisions we make i would say this theory is correct, but not always, i think we have a choice, but that means sacrificing ourselves and our desired aspiration of becoming this supreme being.
In order to imitate a desire someone had to have the genesis desire... therefore we should all be capable of creating our own desires... i would argue that mimetic desire is simply a stronger compulsion or an easier path to take than making a concious effort to decide what it is that you truly desire.
The matter of fact is 80% of folks out there doesn't know what they want , therefore they want what others want. The other 20% know what they want and somehow fall under the trend setter or outcast. Depending on individual , I eat out because I want to enjoy tasty food not being seen. Some just want to be seen.
The basis is thoughts, see thoughts as something substantial something that is. All life is connected with thought on the quantum level. The unseen unknown thought connections with other minds make a most likely future, on the micro level there is a window of quantum fluctuations with free will. Thoughts exist from the past can come from others made by the body and created and influenced by the mind. How we share and make thoughts makes society.
I think that the examples weren’t exactly far enough, as one can argue that the removal of the different ( 2:43 ) does not only apply to people, but values themselves, breeding intolerance in both good and bad ways and that in itself avoids the possibility homogeneity, as we are exposed to the environment and people constantly and that breeds both values of what to embrace and what don’t, the birth of good and evil. I do think that the idea that we are a byproduct of the environment is very likely, but it’s exactly because the environment is complex that it’s almost impossible to have two equal people.
I believe this is true for more superficial and outer driven people who do not necessarily have a strong personal identity or a well thought out and defined sense of self or individualism.. which is really the majority of people these days. So while the theory is not ubiquitous in its applicability, it definitely holds merit when attempting to deconstruct mainstream behaviours displayed by the general populus.
In general I believe it is correct. We all have rememberenses of people in school that took a different path. Either good, evel or just on a different level. We all have role models that we admire. Not for their personalities but for their accomplishments.
I think we're if we're honest with ourselves, we can see that this is true for 90 percent of our social interactions. One part that was glazed over is how old school altruism has been very effective at lifting us above a lot of the selfish desire traps that cause so much social trauma. Unfortunately, secular humanism has Has been very effective at deleting the traditional ideas of community, good vs evil and helping your neighbor. When our heroes and leaders seem selfish, we either pick new heroes or become selfish ourselves.
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This is consumerism at it's finest. It's the need to fill a desire - for material goods, status, admiration. Sometimes, desire is negatively expressed as dominance. Scapegoating almost always follows and for the most petty reasons.
Interesting! We can have this in mind, not to 'just' follow others. However, it's not all that bad! At the end of the day, our needs are very similar as humans. So, if 'enough' people want something, then there should be a good reason for that, and it might be good to investigate if we want it or not. At the next level, 'product reviews' is what I personally use when I want to buy a product, so I buy what most others were happy after they bought it. It's true that I'm modelling others, but this way I'm minimizing risk and saving money, also it often ends in being happy with my purchase (unless there have been fake reviews!).
I think in a lot of cases it is true, but not all. My personality is such, that I am a lone wolf and prefer to be alone with my own personal goals being a huge motivator. I achieved financial independence at age 40, achieved and abandoned careers in the railroad, maritime and energy industries as I achieved my goals, and now in a friendly completion with my wife to see who gets our phd’s first. In most realms, I have been deemed a failure by most people, but not for my wife and I: we thrive on being unassuming. I could afford a Bentley but drive a 2003 Honda CRV because it accomplishes the same task for $7,000 versus $230,000. I don’t care what others think of me or what I have because if my personality, but if the French Philosopher of this theory does not think like I do which is kind of rare, then this theory makes sense. For me, what he proposes is my seventh circle of hell.
This happens to some people. I have a group of friends and we have a leader in the group and everyone seems to follow what this leader wear and mimic it's actions, except from me. According to psychology, we also mimic someone we like. But there are people who don't follow social norms like me. And I don't also mimic someone. Mimetic theory might have a point in some ways, but this isn't happening to everyone. Not all people can be influence, especially to someone like me who hates following.
This is fascinating, thank you for presenting it. I am curious if there is a name for NOT desiring what others desire? Quite often I see what is "popular" - be it a car, clothing, a hairstyle - and rather that desire it, I only think, "Why? Why is that popular?" Because it means nothing to me.
I think there's a lot of truth to that. Personally, I've always tried to beat my own drum. But I believe that mostly comes from the fact that my role models have also been those to beat their own drum. The complexity of the concept seems simple.
It's a good theory but it misses the point mentioned by Maslow about self-actualization. Sometimes people try to go beyond societal norms to achieve their potential. E.g. religious motivations
Humans, as animals exhibit many animalistic behaviors, including pack dynamics as described. But the human can also transcend the animal - and choose to behave however he or she wants. I have taught my children alternatives to these behaviours, and it works fine - there is no requirement to join the pack of wolves and no requirement to become the scapegoat.
maybe it's the configuation of our 'desires' that make us 'unique', no??? 2. i would argue that the subject can sometimes be the scapegoat, no??? 3. i wd argue that it takes a long time to get to know what we want, ie, to see what's on offer, therefore, we need a longer time to decide? Pl. support longevity research!
Girard hit the nail on the head. This explains the "No God" culture completely and an off-track Christian culture as well. Formed in His image humans are triune beings. This video explains people who are lacking the realization of their spiritual third of themselves yet they failed to mention that side. So they got this 2/3ds correct.
i always think for myself what I truly want not anybody else why do I wear those clothes because I want to wear them it looks good to me. i don't follow trend at all. i found something i like i take that
As soon as the theory claims to explain everything or apply universally it fails. Many people do operate in this pattern to widely varying frequency, but sometimes they don't. Many desirable objects had at some point to be desired when they did not yet exist which precludes imitation. So it's true, but only sometimes.
Interesting food for thought, this does not explain proclivities however. Free will can never be disproven untill we can quantify esoteric things like talent and disposition.
Girard Mimetic Theory does not explain how anybody could be individual at all - and many are. He just denies that they are. Also, it ignores originality - if people in society are just mimetic how does anything new and original arise? Clearly there are creative people aplenty, so he ignores them too.
That's a depressing video. It may well describe a great many people; but not everyone. Some people are willing to give all they have for Truth & Justice. And to go against the tide.
What about the person who doesn't comply? I do agree that this type of behaviour is evident but it seems there are exceptions and that perhaps there is a spectrum.
El querer eliminar el individualismo y explicarlo toda relacion humana en base al mimetismo la hace muy restrictiva y por tanto disminuye la probabilidad de que sea cierta o mejor dicho la hace falsa. Es un factor mas, existe pero el sentido que él le da la convierte en un reduccionismo absurdo y risible, pues para el todo seria consecuencia del mimetismo. Ademas segun el ejemplo del video habria una contradicion a la inexistencia de la individualidad, porque existen individuos que no encajan si la individualidad no existe? Que seria la individualidad? Ademas el mimetismo tendria causas, hay factores que son mas fundamentales, pues como seres sociales el mimetismo tenderia a dar ventajas adaptativas y evolutivas tanto dentro del grupo y en la supervivencia en general. Hay muchas preguntas que hay que hacer: Porque es importante y que ventajas le da al individuo? Que rasgo, condiciones(indiduo, social..., ... influyen en el desarrollo de la misma? Para mi el razonamiento que le daria mas sentido es el de que hay menos rasgos, comportamientos, ideas, elecciones,... que el numero de personas. Y siempre seria posible agrupar personas que encajen en la misma categoria, las cuales directa o indirectamente y de manera mas probable harian converger a un individuo en a la adpcion del mismo rasgo al ser manifestado por alguien que posee la caracteristica al que el primer indivuo está predispuesto.
The map is not the territory. Some maps are better than others but believing they are the ground upon which you stand is the instant oatmeal path to fanaticism and probably contributes to this so-called memetic behavior. I don’t disagree outright with any of this, only that any perspective a person can take is inherently biased and incomplete and subject to a compelling contrary.
Trying to define individualism at this point in human social evolution is pointless. The theory is an observation limited to a setting. No human reaches maturity devoid of external value inputs, so the opposite of the theory, instinct, cannot be properly evaluated.
I think if you consider Dunning Krueger you realise that 72% of the populus have a false self-perception and take their leads off others, it is the remain 28% who are self-aware, able to be independent autonomous thinkers and realists, so both aspects of your video are true, mimetics is a varies across the population not a binary condition.
I think Girard was the nerd with glasses projecting superficial needs on those boys, so they decided to beat him up. He might have been onto something, but like other nerds, he arrogantly claimed, that all people are like that, even going as far as saying, that free will is an illusion. No wonder he is getting bullied for being such a nerd.
@@madredsbloodrazor1620 probably a glitch. The video could have been uploaded but scheduled to be published publicly at a certain time, but somehow few were able to view it before.
Thank you for this. Girard's work is greatly underappreciated and I'm glad also to see Luke Burgis' new book, "Wanting: The Power of Mimetic Desire in Everyday Life" receiving acclaim. While Girard's work in philosophy was well-received in Europe and especially his home country of France, only recently is it receiving broader attention that I feel it deserves.
mimetic desire can be observed in small children & adults alike in the form of wanting something - or wanting it more - simply because another apparantly wants it. as social creatures, their apparent desire confers value on it in our own perception.
Some of his ideas are correct but not everyone wants to be like others some people choose their own path and travel it alone without the desire of being liked by others.
every community in every country has and has had group mentality dominant tendencies that range from small to large, if we're talking about the U.S. this applies 100% since they've been programming us the longest
Could this be connected to Dabrowsk’s theory of positive disintegration? Any connection to Asch effect? Any connection to Maslow’s need of love/belonging? self esteem?
not sure about the first, but imho yes & yes to the latter two. mimetic desire can be observed in small children & adults alike in the form of wanting something - or wanting it more - simply because another apparantly wants it. as social creatures, their apparent desire confers value on it in our own perception.
One's individualism may be the fusion of the result of your attempts at satisfying the mimetic desires. Since we're individuals, it's impossible to duplicate a behavior exactly as it's expressed by another. This is where individualism is expressed.
usually outcasts are autistic/come from broken home/impoverished so they either don't understand how to mimic properly , don't have the means, or the desire is not as strong/ they have more urgent needs of which to take care. They may try, but it will be much more difficult for them.
I think that this is very true of many people in the US; most of us are able to easily meet our most basic physiological needs and often look outside ourselves for models of behavior that we can follow. This is the basic function of social media in a nutshell.
I don't personally believe it's true, but it is shockingly good at explaining human behavior. There is only rare cases where someone chooses to do something that their surrounding influences don't present as an option, so it is almost impossible to prove wrong from my view of psychology.
But is that what you REALLY personally believe 😅
It shows, again, how free will does not exist. From the way you were treated as a baby, and the toys you were given, and the people and places you encountered, you were being programmed. Between that, and whatever innate properties your parents passed down to you, that is who you are and will define the path of your life, just as it is right now.
Stimuli and response. I am just a monkey clinging to an engine hurtling through life.
Idk, most people would want to be famous actors/singers or famous anything, and yet they know it's most likely not an option for them.
Kind of makes you think that ADHD is an evolution to deal with that sort of psychological defect.
It’s true for some I think. My father will often want something simply because someone else has it and not because he genuinely wants it. I think noticing and realizing that tendency is true freedom.
My mother can relate to it, too. Not having something her friends have genuinly makes her unhappy and unfitting to her circle. Maybe mimitic theory works on people who has something similar to social anxiety?
I think this "mimetic theory" has to do with the overall desire of people to belong in a desirable condition. But even if you mimic someone else, circumstances and events changes according to ones individuality. Nobody is really the same and even in imitations occurs variations.
I couldn't understand - why would the role model "cool kid" fight the imitaters and later combine forces to expel the outcast?
fanatism
Those concepts are a bit mixed up in the video. But there is actually a great piece of work on RUclips that really explains Rene girards theory. There are lectures by Jonathan limbo and David Perell. They are a classic to understanding this. You could check them out if you mind
I think the theory gives a really good explanation to human behavior and the things we "desire". Also I think, that it's important to establish such behavior in the childhood. Meaning, that we should let our children decide more, what they want to wear, do, eat, etc. but in the boundaries of good conversation, and learning them to make these choices based on their own believes and choices, not others.
But it's complex, because all parents, has different methods for this and usually most parents, put in their own opinion so much, that the child forms an opinion likely.
Since we are social animals I belive that the metaphysical desires take up at least 75% of what we want and the 25 %is what we actually want like exploration of passions or trying new things
So true, really appreciate putting this research together for us👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
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Thanks, you too! Keep learning :)
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Girard was one of the greatest. He wrote about how christianity breaks the vicious cycle of scapegoating and also how people after scapegoating or getting rid of someone always realize that the scapegoat was never the actual problem. The problem of course being their own lack of sufficient desire. But it is an adventure reading him - how people fuel themselves and their own bitterness by singling out someone and end up having to admit to their own toxicity/dysfunction in the end is sth that will always be relevant
Having studied creativity, most new things are just combinations, like the iPhone was a phone and a computer combined, yet seen as innovative. Most novelty still stems from known knowledge, There are few who are really creative.
This theory might be missing out on the other half of mimetic behaviour: avoiding being the cast-away or scape goat. Many people will truly follow suit due to fear, and fear alone. Also, some may try to fit in because others will pay them to do so, fulfilling their desire: daily needs. Finally, presuming the theory is true, what happens if the current trend is creativity/breaking old trends?
Like people being afraid to say all lives matter for fear of being canceled.
I was just having this conversation today, and I'm glad to know the name of it. I do believe this is true, as I experienced it for myself.
I think this is true for a percentage of the population. I would be interested to see the specific percentage, if an educated study could be done However I don’t think this is everyone. I can picture the type of person that this works for and think of people I’ve met in the past. These are people that usually require effort to be around. I think this falls apart with my favorite kind of people. Authentic people who are self conscious. Interocept and exterocept on a regular basis to the point where it’s almost not even in their consciousness and more subconscious. I’ve remember meeting a drifter who some might label as homeless. I don’t think he falls in these categories. Even though I knew him for only a few hours I considered him my friend. Hope he is still doing well.
It's a very interesting theory that is sadly true. I would say that most people in our modern society are
This personally got to my soul, as I enjoy being different and standing out, but is it for the right reasons ? Also I think that it is both this theory, and that we are given our own choices. Very fascinating subject.
Also to counter this theory, if I don't follow behaviors from a person where am I learning these behaviors in the first place? Whether I get it from a book or a person I think we take whatever we learn from the world and make it our own. I want to see a video countering this theory.
In a aspect mimetic theory is true and we see it in early childhood development. In ECD how a person develops language and thought is influenced by mimicking their environment, that part rings true in mimetic theory, however the theory does have its limitation once we get to complex areas like group behavior. We do need more information on the more underlying psychological reason to why someone might identify and behave a certain way in a group setting, but for the most part his theory is correct in the very basic level.
Yes!
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I think being the uncool kid in school, who had the first mountain bike anyone had ever seen, is why somebody tampered with it... which led to my near death, afterwards.😕
I guess that sometimes seeing people desire a special thing makes ourselves desire it more.
i think that you can decide to do things that will not help you towards the goal of being a supreme or heightened being, things like selfless love, where you really are gaining nothing in return, physically and metaphysically speaking. For the majority of the decisions we make i would say this theory is correct, but not always, i think we have a choice, but that means sacrificing ourselves and our desired aspiration of becoming this supreme being.
We immitate others until we aware about that then we have choss to continue or stop but i think the desire will continue
In order to imitate a desire someone had to have the genesis desire... therefore we should all be capable of creating our own desires... i would argue that mimetic desire is simply a stronger compulsion or an easier path to take than making a concious effort to decide what it is that you truly desire.
The matter of fact is 80% of folks out there doesn't know what they want , therefore they want what others want. The other 20% know what they want and somehow fall under the trend setter or outcast. Depending on individual , I eat out because I want to enjoy tasty food not being seen. Some just want to be seen.
Monkeys want to do what they see monkeys do. They know what they want: try. And then see if it's nice or not. Curiosity is a need.
The basis is thoughts, see thoughts as something substantial something that is. All life is connected with thought on the quantum level. The unseen unknown thought connections with other minds make a most likely future, on the micro level there is a window of quantum fluctuations with free will. Thoughts exist from the past can come from others made by the body and created and influenced by the mind. How we share and make thoughts makes society.
I think that the examples weren’t exactly far enough, as one can argue that the removal of the different ( 2:43 ) does not only apply to people, but values themselves, breeding intolerance in both good and bad ways and that in itself avoids the possibility homogeneity, as we are exposed to the environment and people constantly and that breeds both values of what to embrace and what don’t, the birth of good and evil.
I do think that the idea that we are a byproduct of the environment is very likely, but it’s exactly because the environment is complex that it’s almost impossible to have two equal people.
I believe this is true for more superficial and outer driven people who do not necessarily have a strong personal identity or a well thought out and defined sense of self or individualism.. which is really the majority of people these days.
So while the theory is not ubiquitous in its applicability, it definitely holds merit when attempting to deconstruct mainstream behaviours displayed by the general populus.
Why not both?
I learned of this recently. It is Bound will vs Free will. Bound as in tied or heavily marketed upon by exogenous advertising vs endogenous choice.
In general I believe it is correct. We all have rememberenses of people in school that took a different path. Either good, evel or just on a different level. We all have role models that we admire. Not for their personalities but for their accomplishments.
I think we're if we're honest with ourselves, we can see that this is true for 90 percent of our social interactions. One part that was glazed over is how old school altruism has been very effective at lifting us above a lot of the selfish desire traps that cause so much social trauma. Unfortunately, secular humanism has Has been very effective at deleting the traditional ideas of community, good vs evil and helping your neighbor.
When our heroes and leaders seem selfish, we either pick new heroes or become selfish ourselves.
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This is consumerism at it's finest. It's the need to fill a desire - for material goods, status, admiration. Sometimes, desire is negatively expressed as dominance. Scapegoating almost always follows and for the most petty reasons.
Interesting! We can have this in mind, not to 'just' follow others. However, it's not all that bad! At the end of the day, our needs are very similar as humans. So, if 'enough' people want something, then there should be a good reason for that, and it might be good to investigate if we want it or not.
At the next level, 'product reviews' is what I personally use when I want to buy a product, so I buy what most others were happy after they bought it. It's true that I'm modelling others, but this way I'm minimizing risk and saving money, also it often ends in being happy with my purchase (unless there have been fake reviews!).
I think in a lot of cases it is true, but not all.
My personality is such, that I am a lone wolf and prefer to be alone with my own personal goals being a huge motivator. I achieved financial independence at age 40, achieved and abandoned careers in the railroad, maritime and energy industries as I achieved my goals, and now in a friendly completion with my wife to see who gets our phd’s first. In most realms, I have been deemed a failure by most people, but not for my wife and I: we thrive on being unassuming. I could afford a Bentley but drive a 2003 Honda CRV because it accomplishes the same task for $7,000 versus $230,000.
I don’t care what others think of me or what I have because if my personality, but if the French Philosopher of this theory does not think like I do which is kind of rare, then this theory makes sense. For me, what he proposes is my seventh circle of hell.
Thank you
This happens to some people. I have a group of friends and we have a leader in the group and everyone seems to follow what this leader wear and mimic it's actions, except from me. According to psychology, we also mimic someone we like. But there are people who don't follow social norms like me. And I don't also mimic someone. Mimetic theory might have a point in some ways, but this isn't happening to everyone. Not all people can be influence, especially to someone like me who hates following.
Is the audiologo made with the Nintendo store audiologo plus Kirby's star or am I imagining things?
This is fascinating, thank you for presenting it.
I am curious if there is a name for NOT desiring what others desire?
Quite often I see what is "popular" - be it a car, clothing, a hairstyle - and rather that desire it, I only think, "Why? Why is that popular?" Because it means nothing to me.
I disagree because I was never like that. So much for putting all that time into coming up with a theory like that!
I think there's a lot of truth to that. Personally, I've always tried to beat my own drum. But I believe that mostly comes from the fact that my role models have also been those to beat their own drum. The complexity of the concept seems simple.
It's a good theory but it misses the point mentioned by Maslow about self-actualization. Sometimes people try to go beyond societal norms to achieve their potential. E.g. religious motivations
Humans, as animals exhibit many animalistic behaviors, including pack dynamics as described. But the human can also transcend the animal - and choose to behave however he or she wants. I have taught my children alternatives to these behaviours, and it works fine - there is no requirement to join the pack of wolves and no requirement to become the scapegoat.
maybe it's the configuation of our 'desires' that make us 'unique', no??? 2. i would argue that the subject can sometimes be the scapegoat, no??? 3. i wd argue that it takes a long time to get to know what we want, ie, to see what's on offer, therefore, we need a longer time to decide? Pl. support longevity research!
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Girard hit the nail on the head. This explains the "No God" culture completely and an off-track
Christian culture as well. Formed in His image humans are triune beings. This video explains
people who are lacking the realization of their spiritual third of themselves yet they failed to
mention that side. So they got this 2/3ds correct.
i always think for myself what I truly want not anybody else
why do I wear those clothes because I want to wear them it looks good to me.
i don't follow trend at all. i found something i like i take that
As soon as the theory claims to explain everything or apply universally it fails. Many people do operate in this pattern to widely varying frequency, but sometimes they don't. Many desirable objects had at some point to be desired when they did not yet exist which precludes imitation. So it's true, but only sometimes.
I think the human psyche if far more complicated than this simplistic version. If we were only ever copying each other we would never advance.
Interesting food for thought, this does not explain proclivities however. Free will can never be disproven untill we can quantify esoteric things like talent and disposition.
But where did the others get it from. The surrondings or the nature of the universe.
Girard Mimetic Theory does not explain how anybody could be individual at all - and many are. He just denies that they are. Also, it ignores originality - if people in society are just mimetic how does anything new and original arise? Clearly there are creative people aplenty, so he ignores them too.
That's a depressing video. It may well describe a great many people; but not everyone. Some people are willing to give all they have for Truth & Justice. And to go against the tide.
What about the person who doesn't comply? I do agree that this type of behaviour is evident but it seems there are exceptions and that perhaps there is a spectrum.
Methinks Gerard is just projecting his own insecurities.
El querer eliminar el individualismo y explicarlo toda relacion humana en base al mimetismo la hace muy restrictiva y por tanto disminuye la probabilidad de que sea cierta o mejor dicho la hace falsa.
Es un factor mas, existe pero el sentido que él le da la convierte en un reduccionismo absurdo y risible, pues para el todo seria consecuencia del mimetismo. Ademas segun el ejemplo del video habria una contradicion a la inexistencia de la individualidad, porque existen individuos que no encajan si la individualidad no existe? Que seria la individualidad?
Ademas el mimetismo tendria causas, hay factores que son mas fundamentales, pues como seres sociales el mimetismo tenderia a dar ventajas adaptativas y evolutivas tanto dentro del grupo y en la supervivencia en general. Hay muchas preguntas que hay que hacer:
Porque es importante y que ventajas le da al individuo?
Que rasgo, condiciones(indiduo, social..., ... influyen en el desarrollo de la misma?
Para mi el razonamiento que le daria mas sentido es el de que hay menos rasgos, comportamientos, ideas, elecciones,... que el numero de personas. Y siempre seria posible agrupar personas que encajen en la misma categoria, las cuales directa o indirectamente y de manera mas probable harian converger a un individuo en a la adpcion del mismo rasgo al ser manifestado por alguien que posee la caracteristica al que el primer indivuo está predispuesto.
YES. What he said
On my second play though I thought to myself…… The metaphysical group remind me of politicians.
This video explained mimetic behavior very well. It shows how rigged the societal structure is in this world!!
15 percent of of us have desires completely independent of the rest of humanity
Advertising takes advantage of this mimetic theory.
We’re all victims at one time or another.
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I think I want waffles actually
What is it called when you consistently go against the grain and trends? Amimetic?
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Its work like that way untill you understand whats you truly want.
the problem is, why the cool even has these shoes, like did he saw them from another even cooler kid?
It's sounds true
It is then unclear what motivates a social outcast. Are metaphysical needs alien to him? For what reason? Is he an animal or Neo?
The last statement, why can’t both be true? I’d imagine they are.
The map is not the territory. Some maps are better than others but believing they are the ground upon which you stand is the instant oatmeal path to fanaticism and probably contributes to this so-called memetic behavior. I don’t disagree outright with any of this, only that any perspective a person can take is inherently biased and incomplete and subject to a compelling contrary.
I think mimetic desire and the scapegoat dynamic are true, but it wasn't clear to me how one leads to the other.
Our animal herd instinct 🤗
No idea
Two waffles with fried chicken in the middle
I think these ideas are relevant, but they are only one part of the way people form desires
Trying to define individualism at this point in human social evolution is pointless. The theory is an observation limited to a setting. No human reaches maturity devoid of external value inputs, so the opposite of the theory, instinct, cannot be properly evaluated.
A bit of each.
I think if you consider Dunning Krueger you realise that 72% of the populus have a false self-perception and take their leads off others, it is the remain 28% who are self-aware, able to be independent autonomous thinkers and realists, so both aspects of your video are true, mimetics is a varies across the population not a binary condition.
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You asked what I think of this. And I want a waffle chicken sandwich
Mimetic desires, Meme:Tick-Tock, instagram inspired desires.
теория настолько бредово иллюстрированна, что возникает сомнение в адекватном переводе авторами видоса этой самой теории
Waffles and fried chicken. Like as a sandwich
There are definitely desires beyond our needs, otherwise why would the richest man on planet would even work
Simplist too Simplist..
Not for me
I want to be ME with all sensces.I don't need common purpouse.
When Brian said: "we're all individuals" ruclips.net/video/KHbzSif78qQ/видео.html&ab_channel=lucasbeer
"I'm not"
not all are conformists.
sime people think practucally ,no ?
Nah
I think Girard was the nerd with glasses projecting superficial needs on those boys, so they decided to beat him up. He might have been onto something, but like other nerds, he arrogantly claimed, that all people are like that, even going as far as saying, that free will is an illusion. No wonder he is getting bullied for being such a nerd.
that sounds like feminism
Barely any views
How did you comment 9 hrs ago when the vid just released 5 mins ago
Maybe he's a member
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@@madredsbloodrazor1620 probably a glitch. The video could have been uploaded but scheduled to be published publicly at a certain time, but somehow few were able to view it before.
@@tirpu im not a member
Thank you for this. Girard's work is greatly underappreciated and I'm glad also to see Luke Burgis' new book, "Wanting: The Power of Mimetic Desire in Everyday Life" receiving acclaim. While Girard's work in philosophy was well-received in Europe and especially his home country of France, only recently is it receiving broader attention that I feel it deserves.
mimetic desire can be observed in small children & adults alike in the form of wanting something - or wanting it more - simply because another apparantly wants it. as social creatures, their apparent desire confers value on it in our own perception.
Thanks for sharing!
Some of his ideas are correct but not everyone wants to be like others some people choose their own path and travel it alone without the desire of being liked by others.
every community in every country has and has had group mentality dominant tendencies that range from small to large, if we're talking about the U.S. this applies 100% since they've been programming us the longest
Could this be connected to Dabrowsk’s theory of positive disintegration? Any connection to Asch effect? Any connection to Maslow’s need of love/belonging? self esteem?
not sure about the first, but imho yes & yes to the latter two. mimetic desire can be observed in small children & adults alike in the form of wanting something - or wanting it more - simply because another apparantly wants it. as social creatures, their apparent desire confers value on it in our own perception.
One's individualism may be the fusion of the result of your attempts at satisfying the mimetic desires.
Since we're individuals, it's impossible to duplicate a behavior exactly as it's expressed by another. This is where individualism is expressed.
Why does the nerd not conform to the rest of them in this scenario?
usually outcasts are autistic/come from broken home/impoverished so they either don't understand how to mimic properly , don't have the means, or the desire is not as strong/ they have more urgent needs of which to take care. They may try, but it will be much more difficult for them.