What Does the Bible Say About Hell? - Rethinking Hell w/Chris Date (Part 1)
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- Dr. Chip Bennett and Chris Date discuss 'Rethinking Hell' this is part 1 of this discussion.
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Chris date is a necessary voice in a new reformation a much needed one
literally an enormous voice
I am in a very dark place here on earth, I have had a combination of head injuries, near drownings, cerebral malaria, acid in eyes, drug misuse. I believe in Jesus and have been praying. I am in a lot of physical and emotional pain and spend a lot of time in my bed due to this. I hope my soul is spared, I have lived a poor life and would love to know how to heal. Please pray for me
Brother the Bible says if you believe the Gospel you are Saved… that Jesus God manifest in flesh who lived a sinless live died on the cross for the forgiveness of sins, was buried and rose again on the third day- if you believe this you are born again…the Holy Spirit will not abandon you
I prayed for you, Brother. Lean on to the Lord, for in just a little while Jesus will return!!
@@NisanTEN2025 God bless you x
@@NisanTEN2025 Brother I’m in so much pain
@graemegeorgeharrison2468 I'm a sister in Christ, but I'm glad you reached out. I lifted you in prayer. May our God of all Power , our Healer, His Word of Truth and Peace, and the Holy Spirit our Comforter, ease your pain and your mental distress. In the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, amen 🙏
I grew up in the christadelphian faith with this annihilist understanding and was shocked to learn about eternal torment. I learned the translation of hell often just meant grave. Death is the ultimate punishment - The lack of knowledge of God and Christ. I’m glad to hear that others are exploring this as well because it really just makes more sense based on our understanding of who God is.
We see in Luke 16 how the rich man sinned ignoring daily the needs of Lazarus w as the Adventists WISH!! Christ Himself defines explicitly what death means in the next world!! And, it’s NOT SOUL SLEEP!!
Anyone using the Old Testament to prove soul sleep is immediately exposed when they understand Christ words. *The Adventists won't believe Moses and the Prophets and neither would they believe, if someone came back from the dead and TOLD THEM* How utterly BLIND!
Luke 16: 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may TESTIFY unto them, *lest they also come into this place of torment.*
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; ( that's the entire Old Testament ) let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: *but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.*
31 And he said unto him, If they *hear not Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.*
*In Christ's explicit words, he declares that Moses and the Prophets ( that's the entire Old Testament ) teaches both the immortality of the soul and the torment of the wicked immediately after the death of the body. *The Adventists won't believe Moses and the Prophets and neither would they believe, if someone came back from the dead and TOLD THEM* How utterly BLIND!
Beware lest this scripture be fulfilled in you as it was in the Adventists before you.
Here's the bottom line, what absolute fool would dare ignore Christ's warning that the entire old testament teaches the punishment of the soul immediately after death? What absolute fool, would dare ignore Christ's warning not to be so incredibly stupid and blind, that you wouldn't believe that the souls of the wicked punished immediately after death and sent to torment *even if they had both the Old Testament and someone to come back from the dead to warn them??? !!!!!* *That's exactly what Adventist's are telling you to do! And, they claim if you believe Christ, then you are of Satan!*
I stumbled upon the concept of conditional immortality without having a name for it when I was heavily studying Scripture & then praying for about an hour or more a day for a couple of years. I started seeing Christs words as very literal. Words like “perish” and “kill the body and the soul” meant just that. I stopped unconsciously interpreting those words in my head and just read them plainly. I wasn’t presented with these ideas and I attend a traditional Conservative church (still do) it just became clear as I studied Scripture alone. I am not a firm believer in either view at this point, I can see it either way, but I heavily tend towards quietly believing in conditional immortality because I see far more evidence in Scripture for this view. Ultimately we need to be at peace trusting that God is just and He doesn’t need our input or opinion on what should happen after death. I am very at peace trusting God knows what He’s doing
It was never intended for you to be the decision maker on what to believe.
@@catholic4sure976 *"It was never intended for you to be the decision maker on what to believe."* I think that is exactly what was intended. _Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth._ 2 Timothy 2: 15; KJV)
And this poster came to the right understanding because the Bible teaches conditional immortality plainly and often.
@@IsaacNussbaum That was written to Timothy NOT YOU! How foolish of you!!! If you knew Paul and Timothy you would persecute them like like you do everyone else as the Sabbath keepers did the apostles and the saints
@@catholic4sure976 While it was written to Timothy, I accept as good advice for my own life. If you choose to not study the Scriptures, I will have to leave that between you and your maker. That is way above my pay grade.
@@IsaacNussbaum The Adventists would have been better to have plucked their eyes out than to do what they have done with the scriptures. Mark 9:44-48
Excellent discussion! It's a good model of how brothers in Christ who disagree on some secondary (but still important) point of doctrine can still work together peacefully for the sake of the Gospel and building up the Church.
Nice! We need more freedom to talk about this.
AMEN! Enough of throwing people out of your church without any discussion or hearing.
there are unknown number of unknown soldiers of the Cross of Christ all throughout the ages who were, are and willing to discuss these biblical doctrinal issues or topics in a pure, sincere love for truth and humility and endeavors to keep the unity of the body of Christ...His Truth is marching on!! God bless the church
How interesting, well explained and full of grace this discussion is! And to highlight the importance of faith in Christ as you did 👏 Glory to God!
I love it scripture over tradition. Chris is someone who has studied this topic for a thousands of hours and it's interesting to hear the rejection by those who have probably only looked at this very superficially but I've heard it over and over again from the pulpit from pastors who have about three to five hours of training on this topic during seminary.
Good conversation! Chris Date is really awesome.
I used to be a believer in eternal conscious torment. After realizing that the idea of an eternal fiery hell was found in the intertestamental books and not the Old Testament I began to have serious doubts. It seems that the authors of the Apocrypha were influenced by the Greek idea of a fiery hell and adapted it to their writings.
What about Judith? That book seems to suggest eternal torture.
@@storba3860 Yes, Judith, written no later than 100 BC, mentions eternal conscious torment. There are many others: (1 Enoch 10:13; 48:8-10; 100:7-9; 108:4-7; 2 Baruch 85:13, 2 Enoch 40:12; Qumran, Thanksgiving Scroll). Christ was not the first to use the symbolism of eternal conscious torment in fire. Paul just says the wages of in is death. Paul never mentioned Gehenna, but he was writing to mostly non-Jews.
@@storba3860 no one could possibly read Luke 16:19-31 and come away with any other teaching than the immortality of the soul. And, at the summary, Christ himself teaches that the entire Old Testament called, "The law and the Prophets" teaches the immortality of the soul and the punishment or reward immediately after the death of the body.
Total nonsense! Let us look at what the Apostle Paul says describes what it means to be *"dead"* and what it means to be "alive" In Eph.2.1 Paul writes, "1And you hath he quickened, *who were dead in trespasses and sins;* " Paul and Christ describes those who are *physically alive "cut off" from God as being "dead" in there sins.* Does he mean, "annihilated" ? Of course not, he means they were cut off from God! And that is how Adam and Eve "died that day!" . Christ in like manners say in Matt.8:22 "follow me, and *let the dead bury the dead"* Does Christ mean, let the "annihilated bury the annihilated" ? Of course not . He means let those who are not in God's Grace and separated from God bury those who died outside of God's Grace. To "live" is to being in God's Grace and it means to live forever even though the body may die. As Christ says, "they CANNOT kill the soul" when they kill they body in Mt.10:28a. In this same manner, God promises "eternal life" to those who die in God's Grace and "eternal punishment" to those who do not.
Christ says, *"they CANNOT kill the soul"* when they kill they body in Mt.10:28a. Annihilationist have argued that "eternal life" is reduced to *simple existence,* *even if it's an existence in punishment.& They will claim that if a person is in "everlasting punishment" then he has also the scriptural equivalent and meaning of "eternal life" . That is supposed to be a clever answer from Adventism when we all know, it's just a childish immature game they play.
We all know that eternal life which is promised by Christ means joyous everlasting life. The term "eternal life" is means the abundant, glorious and joyous life in Christ. The word "zoe" in the Greek (life) means an abundant life, not simply existence.
In John 11:25 Christ promises that He is the "resurrection and *the life* " and that those who believe in him *"Shall never die"* Christ understands that they will die in the flesh but though they do, they will never be separated from Him or God. Christ "is the resurrection" because though they have died in their sins and separated from God, He is a resurrection spiritually unto them and they now live and shall never again die as to be separated from God. Paul repeats this same thought in Rom.8:38-39 when he writes, " . 38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life… shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Christ says in John 8: 51 *Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.* Yet, we know that the body will die, *but the believer who keeps Christ sayings shall never die as to be separated from God.*
@@catholic4sure976 Lol, reading a parable of Jesus (Lk. 16:19-31), and falsely extrapolating that Jesus was talking about the "immortality of the soul".
He most certainly was NOT.
v. 31 reveals what the parable is about,
"‘If they do not hear Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be convinced if someone should rise from the dead."
Don't read into the parables more than what the parable is teaching.
That's your fallacy.
When I studied the topic on my own just to see why I believed hell was eternal, I came to find out it isn't and the issue of eternal hell actually leaves a lot of loopholes open about the nature of men since Adam & Eve. The key thing here is the concept of immortality. If the wicked resurrect being already immortal, then they've either always been immortal which means 1 Timothy 6:16 (God alone possesses immortality) is wrong or Romans 2:7 (eternal life is given to the ones who seek immortality) is wrong. How could I seek immortality if I am already immortal?
This is an older interview with Chris. He is the reason I now believe in conditional immortality. I reject his Calvinist views but we completely agree on what Gods final judgement will look like for the unredeemed. The literal second death of the entire unsaved individual. Both body and soul as it says in the book of Matthew.
In deuteronomy in the blessing and curses God never mentions hell. God says they will be destroyed
It seems that as time goes on some try to sanitize the scriptures as much as possible to make consequences not as severe to make Christianity “palatable” to the modern culture even at the risk of heresy. Glory to the King of all kings Jesus Christ my Lord and Savior.
If you really cared about preserving the barbaric false teachings of Augustine and Tertullian you'd be a full on believer in infant damnation, Massa Damnatta, Calvinist, and deny all deathbed conversions.
I like the convo, but my question is this; if Hell isn’t eternal, and the punishment ends one day (judgment), then what is there really to be afraid of? Coming from a Christian perspective on this, God says what He means. If he said it’s fire and brimstone, that’s what it is. If He says it’s eternal, then it is. If there’s no fear of eternal punishment in hell, why worry about going there?
I don’t think God wants us to choose him out of fear. That’s very conditional. Do you really love God or are you just afraid of eternal punishment? I don’t see how God uses fear or torment to encourage love or good behavior - that to me what the church historically does. To lose God and our consciousness for eternity is grand punishment enough.
@@thereddoor4586 that’s not what I said, either to fear god or go to hell. I said, if there is no punishment for crime, whats to stop me from doing the crime? Therefor hell is what I want, by committing sin, because I know the outcome, same as a crime. Fear of god is the first step to wisdom my friend.
I guess we are both misunderstanding each other because Your reply is not to the Intended meaning of my comment either. We can agree to disagree
There can be degrees of punishment in the lake of fire. Jesus said hell will be worse for those living in His day then those of Sodom. So there are degrees of punishment but it will end in destruction.
Can you find any examples of the New Testament Apostles using the tactic of instilling fear of torment in hell as a means of reaching the nations with the Good News of Christ?
Or do you see them offering the gift of eternal life (salvation) as opposed to death, destruction (I.e. the wages of sin)?
Go Chris!!!
We need part 2!
Good stuff
Chris is EPIC. He is the greatest living articulator of conditionalism.
When Satan can convinced you Hell is temporary,he Got you !
People whom God will cast into the Lake of Fire will be there everlasting.
Anything less is mercy, and God's mercy cannot be extended to those in the Lake of Fire.
Excellent conversation. Any chance someone is creating a list of people interested in buying the book when it does come out, so I can put my name on it?
Hi Paul, If you join the mailing list in the description of this video you will certainly get an email about the book when it is available.
What’s the book? Is it the one where he’s gathering experts from each subject? I heard that in a podcast, but haven’t watched the video yet.
The Concept of Eternal Life in Hell and God saying “the soul that sins shall die” is an example of the people translating from the ancient writings that said the punishment of disobedience to God is eternal. Death is eternal but they missed that part and inserted the fire is eternal. The part about the fire cannot be extinguished means you can’t put it out until it has completely destroyed the sin and the sinner. This is my opinion and if you disagree then that’s OK with me I refuse to engage in an argument that cannot be solved.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4, the GOSPEL by which we are SAVED, JESUS CHRIST DIED for our SINS was BURIED and ROSE again on the third day!Grace through FAITH.
exciting book, thanks.
Based on this CI, what happens to those not saved after they die until they are resurrected before the annihilation?
Conditionalists differ. Some believe in a conscious intermediate state others do not. It's not relevant to final punishment.
Speaking for Chris Date and myself, we believe all people will be resurrected, and as we read it, that's been part of Christianity since the earliest creeds. There are groups who hold to a more general kind of conditional immortality who don't believe that all people will be resurrected, but they tend to be less interested in conforming to those creeds.
I answered, and then I realized: you were asking about the intermediate state, what the New Testament calls "Hades". Some conditionalists like myself take Luke 16 literally and think such things might be the experience of the wicked during that time (although I observe that taking it literally doesn't mean it was objectively in real time, as I think a dream/vision is a better explanation of the rich man's experience); others like Chris Date think that passage is a parable and shouldn't be taken to teach anything that's not found elsewhere in the Bible (which I respect because it's a good principle, and I admit that no other passage in the Bible teaches that).
So there's no single answer.
They'll be dead until resurrection.
Both the saved and unsaved are dead and unconscious until the bodily resurrection. We’re just our bodies.
It's something that I wondered but haven't studied in depth. The New Testament's Hell's Greek is either Gehenna or Hades. And Gehenna is from the Hebrew referring the Valley of the sons of Hinnom from Jeremiah where they sacrificed their sons and daughters in the fair in the days of Jeremiah which God abhorred, being an abomination to him and God caused the captivity to happen to Israel. And the Hebrew word for Hell is Sheol. How is it that Samuel as the witch of Endor conjured him up told Saul that he will be with him the next day as he will die in battle? Or David said that he will see his deceased child when he dies? Wasn't Saul guilty as he committed suicide not trusting in God? and David's child being innocent not having done anything good or evil? And what about Jesus' story of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16 that whereas Lazarus descended in what is called Abraham's bosom and the rich man went to Hell divided by a stream?
Another issue is what does the Authorized 1611 King James Version say in contrast to the modern Bible versions?
He'll is real and it's punishments in fire last forever
What would be the conditional morality explanation for this, as I am seeing this topic as contradictory as of now.
If Hell is called a “place” prepared for fallen angels and they get tormented forever, how would it not be a “place” where humans get tormented forever, and why would God sustain the fallen angels life but not them.
Keep looking into this topic. The first thing you need to know is that there are 3 different Hebrew/Greek words that have been translated into hell. Sheol/ hades (OT/NT) the meaning is *grave*. Is often translated as grave. Tartarus is where angels are held until judgment, there is no connection to the other hells. Last is gehenna, also known as the lake of fire and valley of Hinnom. Gehenna will only come into play after the 2nd coming. The hell that Jesus speaks of is always gehenna. This isn't my opinion, look it up for yourself.
Throughout the bible when someone dies it is described as sleep, Jesus taught this as well.
Somethings to keep in mind, that eternal conscious torment is never mentioned in the bible. Eternal life/immortality is only promised to the righteous and only after the resurrection. There is a lot more I could say. I hope this helps.
@@deanwall9291 That didn’t really help with my question.
Also, if conditional immorality were true, then the Lazarus passage would have to mean hades is a waiting place where souls are tormented (because the lake wouldn’t be what’s described there).
*"...why would God...?" Because angels are immortal beings, humans are not. Immortality eventually will be given to believers. Unsaved people, on the other hand, do not have, and never will have, immortality. ✴ _He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see (everlasting) life; (John 3: 36a; KJV)
@@IsaacNussbaum But is God not the only self sustaining one, and all created beings get their life from him as the source?
The only verse that makes angels seem immortal is that they will get tortured forever, and even so, it seems God would be sustaining their life (the whole point is those in Christ live forever, so really God could keep humans alive forever if they didn’t believe, since angels can be in judgement forever when they don’t, and if they go into the same place, why wouldn’t they both have the same fate?).
I guess that would be the main answer, that some reason God sustains angels life forever since creating them, giving them breath, or that the curse placed on humans caused deterioration and death, while angels weren’t given that curse since the have spiritual bodies (but don’t unrepentant humans get spiritual bodies before being thrown in the lake?).
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@ZachFish- I think I'm misunderstanding what you mean by fallen angels in hell. There is a place called tartarus (also translated to hell) where fallen angels are held till judgement. This place is in no way connected to gehenna/lake of fire/valley of Hinnom, where the devil and his cohorts will be tormented forever. The nonbelievers won't be tormented there because the bible says many times all over that they will be destroyed/put to death.
The story of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable. A parable is a fictional story to illustrate a truth.
I don't know if this makes it any clearer?
Pastor Chip I hope this reaches you. Would it be possible for you to do a tik tok or a small teaching or have on a guest to discuss Dispensationalism? I have come across this topic alot recently and have had conversations with Mid Acts Dispensationalists and would really appreciate some of your thoughts on it! Their view of the gospel of the Kingdom under Jesus earthly ministry and the gospel of the mystery of Grace given to Paul all of it is hard for me to wrap my head around sometimes. Would love it if you could! Great video.
I am a dispensationalist, but maybe not a strict mid-Acts one. It seems that at Pentecost Peter was preaching the same gospel that John the Baptist preached, "Repent and be baptized." Peter preached the promised restoration of Israel after he healed the lame man. Before Peter, Christ came only for Israel to fulfill all the promises in the Old Testament for Israel. Gabriel told Mary that her Son will sit on the throne of David. Isaiah says that Christ will rule the earth from Jerusalem and the nation will beat their swords into plowshares. All the godly saints in Israel were waiting for the restoration of Israel. Even King Herod, a gentile, wanted to kill Christ because ke knew that Messiah was going to usurp his throne. I think the major problem teachers have is a lack of understanding of the Old Testament.
I’m a Mid-Acts dispensationalit’s and it clears up so much confusion and answers a lot of questions. 🤔
Justin Johnson at Grace Ambassadors, Richard Jordan, Bryan Ross, and David Reid (Columbus Church) have a lot of wonderful verse by verse Bible studies on it.
Mid-Acts are very doctrinal. I don’t agree with them on some of their stuff. But, they’re good at explaining doctrine biblically!
Lord bless. 😊
Didn't God kick Adam and Eve out of the garden to prevent an eternal conscious torment situation?
*"Didn't God kick Adam and Eve out of the garden to prevent an eternal conscious torment situation?"* You are absolutely right (see below).
✴ _Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever…He placed the cherubim and a flaming sword that turned every way to guard the way to the tree of life._ (Genesis 3: 22-24; ESV)
Brother Chris date is much like his mentor Edward fudge for his ability to to think outside the box!. So grateful for his ministry / teaching gift and ability to cross examine his opponents’ I haven’t seen him in a debate with anyone who is well known in the Christian community as far as apologetics ! / makes me think people are more concerned about there reputation than the GLORY of GOD !😢/ Chris crushes his opponents in cross examination I wouldn’t say that the traditional view is heretical, although we should always seek to be faithful in representing GOD . I just think that as I’ve been looking at all of the information on both sides. It’s very hard to defend internal conscious torment.
Are you going to interview Robin Parry or Thomas Talbott next? 😉 I think the annihilationist view is more defensible than the view of eternal conscious torment, but the Christian Universalist camp has an even more compelling argument, in my opinion.
1 Corinthians 15:22: "For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ shall all be made alive."
Luke 3:6: "And all people will see God's salvation."
Jesus doesn't fail in his mission to save the world. Satan doesn't win. God desires the salvation of all people and his will will not be thwarted.
You are absolutely correct, and one of the very few who believe in the eventual salvation of all of mankind. Blessing to you times ten!!!
"in Christ" being the key words here, it's the condition for being made alive, meaning who isn't in Christ, will not inherit eternal life. I find this to be a weak argument based on that scripture, especially when set against the rest of Scripture.
Conditionalism is not merely "more defensible", it's directly taught in hundreds of clear teaching texts. Universalism only seems plausible because many people subconsciously assume eternal torment is the wages of sin, and the fact that they're therefore conscious and might reconsider and repent, universalism seems more reasonable.
Universalism is "defensible" in the sense that it's easy to defend it against moral questions like the problem of evil. Conditionalism has a harder time there, but no more hard than theism in general. Universalism is far, far harder to approach from a direct, in-context interpretation of Scripture. Yes, I can see how someone reading 1 Cor 15:22 might think that -- unless they read it in context and asked how 1 Cor 15:2 could possibly be true if everyone was saved, including those who don't "hold fast to the gospel" (in its words).
@@WilliamTanksleyJr agreed, I find that the Universalist camp is much more philosophical in nature rather than the Conditionalist one going strictly on what the scriptures actually say.
My comment to the annihilation theory is that Jesus said that the unrighteous will go to a place where the worm Never Dies and there is eternal torment. Also I want to mention that God said to Satan in the Garden of Eden that he would put emnity between Eve's seed and Satan's seed. This means that Satan has seed and he has people that are created and born with a certain disposition with a propensity and compulsion to do evil.
Hi, Trina!
The "worm does not die" is a reference to dead bodies (corpses), not living people. I think that supports annihilation more than the everlasting physical/living torment view:
“And they shall go out and look on the *dead bodies* of the men who have rebelled against me. For their worm shall not die, their fire shall not be quenched, and they shall be an abhorrence to all flesh.” - Isaiah 66:24 ESV
Jesus never used the phrase "eternal torment". Actually, those words are never used to refer to humans. Those words are used once in the Bible (Rev 20:10) to refer specifically to Satan and the two beasts. In Revelation, when it comes to resurrected humans (Rev 20:14), their fate is called "the second death". Again, I think that supports the annihilation (aka, conditional immortality) view.
Either way, it's a very difficult, sad thing to consider, I think. All the more reason to spread the good news.
Hi Trina! I cover that passage and more in my document on this topic if you are interested. God bless!
docs.google.com/document/d/1FBXqrIL68XZN1VwjbB0SHqDmoU6DpVOSV-5AeCkaPZQ/edit?usp=drivesdk
@@openlyaverage Annihilation is NOT Justice. Hitler does NOT deserve to be annihilated and spared torment. He deserve to feel the full Wrath of what he inflicted of every single Jew!!. There were mothers buried with their toddlers And infant alive alive alive! Not to mention every innocent helpless little child that was raped and their lives were completely ruined by a pedophile or even murdered. Serial killers that murdered dozens sometimes hundreds of people they do not deserve Annihilation that is not Justice!!
Jesus spoke of the garbage dump where the unnecessary things were burned....and the unquenchable fire has been out for centuries and the funeral for the worm was held long, long ago...that area is not a beautiful park. The hypocritical Pharisees knew that He was talking about even if modern day Baptist do not. Take care.
*My comment to the annihilation theory is that Jesus said that the unrighteous will go to a place where the worm Never Dies and there is eternal torment.*
You're misquoting Jesus when you claim He "said ... there is eternal torment." He did not say that, nor anything even remotely like it. On the contrary, Jesus said that we should fear him who has the power to destroy body and soul in Gehenna (i.e. the hell of final judgment).
*Jesus said that the unrighteous will go to a place where the worm Never Dies*
Yes, and what is the worm crawling on? Corpses. Not living, feeling persons. Jesus is not quoting a passage about torment but about decay; and He doesn't reframe it to be about torment in any way.
*Also I want to mention that God said to Satan in the Garden of Eden that he would put emnity between Eve's seed and Satan's seed. This means that Satan has seed and he has people that are created and born with a certain disposition with a propensity and compulsion to do evil.*
OK, fine, but God also said that sinful man cannot live forever (Gen 3:22), but instead "was made from dust, and to dust will return" (a figure of speech referring to man's original creation from dust, meaning that God will reverse man's creation).
Holy moly Chris, eat something or you’re gonna die from starvation!
In the presence of the lamb and the angels...
Yes. Or, as the LSV renders it: _9 And a third messenger followed them, saying in a great voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God that has been mingled unmixed in the cup of His anger, and he will be tormented in fire and brimstone _*_before the holy messengers, and before the Lamb,_*_ 11 and the smoke of their torment goes up through ages of ages; and they have no rest day and night, who _*_are worshiping_* [present tense] _the beast and his image...._ (Rev. 14)
There are two deaths spoken of in the bible - they both have their own definition.
Jesus said to the alive bodies standing around him..."today the dead shall hear my voice and those that hear shall live."
That is one type of dead/death.
And then there is another type of dead/death such as physical death, where the flesh ceases to be in this world.
So first of all, Chris needs to tell the truth that the Word of God speaks of two types of dead/death - not one death only and not one definition only as Chris constantly uses in his debates.
The other thing wrong with the premises Chris uses to hang his arguments on is that of the substitutionary atonement.
Chris states that Christ paid EXACTLY what and how we must pay if we do not accept him.
Well, first things first, whilst Christ shed blood is a more than adequate payment to release us - it IS NOT correct to say that that physical death IS EXACTLY what we would have to pay otherwise/if we don't accept him.
Let me explain, first of all we all must still must die together with Christ (this is a reference back to one of the two deaths the bible speaks of, this is significant if you want to research the two types of death).
But I digress - Christ did pay in the same was as when you owe a judge 250 dollars, someone else can pay the 250 dollars.
BUT if you do not pay the 250 dollars and you do not accept someone else paying the 250 dollars then you are left to pay another way.
And NONE of us can pay the 250 dollars now - if we could do that we would be able to reconcile ourselves to God.
But no, we need Jesus and we need Him to pay the 250 dollars we owe to reconcile us to God and we need it to be paid now whilst we still live on the earth (whether we are alive or dead spiritually).
You see, the bible says that when the servant could not pay - that the Master handed him over to the tormentors until his debt was paid in full.
So just like if you owe 250 dollars and choose not to accept someone else paying 250 dollars for you right now then at a later time the judge will still exact payment from you...
but now you have to perform that payment not in the form of money, not in the form of 250 dollars but in something like performing community service for 6weeks or until your 'debt is paid in full'
Or in the bibles case, torment (hell) until your debt is paid in full.
And how can we ever repay a Holy and righteous God - for He is the one we have sinned against.
So you can see that Jesus did not pay what a person will ULTIMATELY have to pay if they cannot pay now (he did not perform our community service or torment) so the person who does not accept Jesus paying the 250 dollars now will have to be handed over to the tormentors until his debt is paid in full.
I hope that makes sense.
Because Chris argument rests on the premises that there is only one definition of death in the bible (that is not true)
and his argument rests on substitutionary atonement being Jesus paying EXACTLY what a person who cannot pay now (and no one can pay right now) would have to pay at a later date at the judgement (and that is not true either).
You fundamentalists again try to justify your evil belief and once again fall flat on your face.
And you wonder why people are rejecting religion more and more.
*"Or in the bibles (sic) case, torment (hell) until your debt is paid in full."* There are many flaws in your reasoning here but perhaps the most egregious is this: the Bible does not threaten the lost with hell or eternal conscious torment. None of the Scriptures used to advance that odious doctrine can stand up to close inspection.
My biggest struggle with this concept is in Revelation 20:10, it looks and sounds forever but it must mean something else. Age of the age-or (αἰῶνας τῶν αἰώνων.) might mean to the end but in other verses it implies forever...Yet in some it implies just a given amount of time...However, studying the possibilities, it can be spatial and implying the smoke goes up from Earth to heaven...
*Rev. 18:20 and the Martyrdom of Polycarp proves Adventism..etc., is false*
Notice the quote below from 117AD. The Martyrdom of Polycarp (AD 117): Here's a direct quote
The *CHURCH* of God which sojourns at *Smyrna* (Rev. 2) , to the *CHURCH* of God sojourning in Philomelium, and to ALL the congregations of *the Holy and CATHOLIC CHURCH* in every place: Mercy, peace, and love from God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, be multiplied.
For, [Polycarp] having through patience overcome the unjust governor, and *thus acquired (the past tense) the crown of immortality*, *he NOW, WITH the apostles and all the righteous [in heaven], rejoicingly glorifies God, even the Father, and blesses our Lord Jesus Christ, the Saviour of our souls, the Governor of our bodies, and *the Shepherd of the *CATHOLIC CHURCH throughout the world* .[28] *(The placing of Polycarp's immortal soul in heaven after his martyrdom is exactly what we find in Revelation 18:20 with the Apostles and ALL the righteous)* Guess what? So is Mary, the Mother of Christ.
Notice how the author, says *Christ is the Shepherd of the Catholic Church THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE WORLD" In other words, the entire Christian world in 117 AD understood 2 things:
1.That Christ was the Shepherd of the Catholic Church and
2.The doctrine of the immortality of the soul and teaching of the righteous souls went to heaven after the death of the body was taught by Christ and the Church *throughout the whole world!*
3. The Martyrdom of Polycarp*"Fixing their minds on the grace of Christ, [the martyrs] despised worldly tortures and purchased eternal life with but a single hour* . To them, *the fire of their cruel torturers was COLD* . They kept before their eyes their escape from the *eternal and unquenchable fire* (Martyrdom of Polycarp
4. *Polycarp teaches the everlasting unending torment in hell as does Christ and the Apostles.*
Another 4 more Armstrong and Adventist heresy on soul sleep, *conditional immortality and annihilationism bites the dust.
Another Armstrong and Adventist heresy on soul sleep and annihilationism bites the dust.
@@catholic4sure976 isn't Christ who teach soul sleep ?
@@christreveleenvous8905 Christ, nor the Apostles, nor the Old Testament prophets taught soul sleep.
BTW: *Hamas is very happy to hear the Adventist gospel that Hamas dead go to nice quite soul sleep and rest in peace after murdering, raping the mothers who were forced to watch their infants put into ovens to burn* The SDA might as well offered them 70 virgins.
@@christreveleenvous8905 Anyone using the Old Testament to prove soul sleep is immediately exposed when they understand Christ words. *The Adventists won't believe Moses and the Prophets and neither would they believe, if someone came back from the dead and TOLD THEM* How utterly BLIND!
Luke 16: 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may TESTIFY unto them, *lest they also come into this place of torment.*
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; ( that's the entire Old Testament ) let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: *but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.*
31 And he said unto him, If they *hear not Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.*
*In Christ's explicit words, he declares that Moses and the Prophets ( that's the entire Old Testament ) teaches both the immortality of the soul and the torment of the wicked immediately after the death of the body. *The Adventists won't believe Moses and the Prophets and neither would they believe, if someone came back from the dead and TOLD THEM* How utterly BLIND!
Beware lest this scripture be fulfilled in you as it was in the Adventists before you.
Here's the bottom line, what absolute fool would dare ignore Christ's warning that the entire old testament teaches the punishment of the soul immediately after death? What absolute fool, would dare ignore Christ's warning not to be so incredibly stupid and blind, that you wouldn't believe that the souls of the wicked punished immediately after death and sent to torment *even if they had both the Old Testament and someone to come back from the dead to warn them??? !!!!!* *That's exactly what Adventist's are telling you to do! And, they claim if you believe Christ, then you are of Satan!* DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME?!!
@chucksmith4624 I only asked if Christ isn't the one who preached about soul sleep, so I don't know why you are speaking like I was making a long argument with verses of the Old Testament when I didn't 🤔😕.
Whatever, if you have an issue with my question, that's not my problem.
You are acting kind of aggressively just for a simple question. What will you do if I teach you with both old and new testaments verses ? If you want to fight, it won't be with me.
!!!! The bible does teach that Hades is the place for disembodied souls after death. It was a place where both the righteous and the unrighteous souls went at the moment of death. Hades bore a place for the righteous where they were comforted and a peace. There was also a place where the wicked, the unrighteous and the heretics would tormented and punished. While separate, both places were visible to the other. At Christ's death his soul, descended in to the righteous portion of hades as did the soul of the thief who repented on the cross and accepted Christ before the wicked who crucified Christ. All of this is clearly taught in the scriptures. It is sad that the Adventists have taken the Atheistic and carnal view of man.
In the most explicit manner Christ confirmed that the soul of man was judged immediately after the death of the body and immediately rewarded for its works, whether good or bad. Emphatically, Christ stated that the entire old testament, known as "The law and the Prophets" taught these things, but the carnal and earthly minded people would not believe these things, "even if someone came back from the dead to warn them" (Luke 16:26-31). What a surprise has it been to every Adventist who has passed away, don't let it be a surprise to you.
Atheists and Satanists do not believe in HELL. NEITHER DOES THE SDA. Ellen G. White taught that when the Levites offered a Sacrifice of "Burnt offering" that the animal received, the Adventist definition of *"Eternal punishment"* .
*What fool, besides the Adventist teaches that animals receive "eternal punishment" when offered to God by the Levites!? Ellen G. White was a false teacher. Sheol or Hades NEVER means annihilation or soul sleep!.*
Hades is not the grave, because the Greek word *mneema* is the word for grave in the New Testament.
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SHEOL IS NOT THE GRAVE EITHER! An examination of the usages of *kever and Sheol reveals that Sheol cannot mean the grave* . The following twenty contrasts between kever and Sheol demonstrates this point:
1. While... kavar (to bury) is used in connection with kever, it is never used in connection with Sheol. *We can bury someone in a grave but we cannot bury anyone in Sheol* (Gen 23:4, 6, 9, 19, 20; 49:30, 31, etc.).
2. While *kever* is found in its plural form 'graves' (Ex 14:11), the word Sheol is never pluralized.
3. While a grave is located at a specific site (Ex 14:11), Sheol is never localized, because it is everywhere accessible at death no matter where the death takes place. No grave is necessary in order to go to Sheol.
4. While we can purchase or sell a grave (Gen 23:4-20), *Scripture never speaks of Sheol being purchased or sold.*
5. While we can own a grave as personal property (Gen 23:4-20), *nowhere in Scripture is Sheol owned by man.*
6. While we can discriminate between graves and pick the 'choicest site (Gen 23:6), nowhere in Scripture is a 'choice' Sheol pitted against a 'poor' Sheol.
7. While we can drop a dead body into a grave (Gen 50:13), no one can drop anyone into Sheol.
8. While we can erect a monument over a grave (Gen 35:20), Sheol is never spoken of as having monuments.
9. While we can, with ease, open or close a grave (2 Kings 23:16), Sheol is never opened or closed by man.
10. While we can touch a grave (Num 19:18), no one is ever said in Scripture to touch Sheol.
11. While touching a grave brings ceremonial defilement (Num 19:16), the Scriptures never speak of anyone being defiled by Sheol.
12. While we can enter and leave a tomb or grave (2 Kings 23:16), no one is ever said to enter and then leave Sheol.
13. While we can choose the site of our own grave (Gen 23:4-9), Sheol is never spoken of a something we can pick and choose.
14. While we can remove or uncover the bodies or bones in a grave ( 2 Kings 23:16), the Scriptures never speak of man removing or uncovering anything in Sheol.
15. While we can beautify a grave with ornate carvings or pictures (Gen 35:20), Sheol is never beautified by man.
16. While graves can be robbed or defiled (Jer 8:1,2), Sheol is never spoken of as being robbed or defiled by man.
17. While a grave can be destroyed by man (Jer 8:1, 2), nowhere in Scripture is man said to be able to destroy Sheol.
18. While a grave can be full, Sheol is never full (Prov 27:20).
19. While we can see a grave, Sheol is always invisible.
20. While we can visit the graves of loved ones, nowhere in Scripture is man said to visit Sheol.
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This is not what I say. This is Revelation 14:9-11, "He will be tormented with burning sulfur…And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is NO REST DAY OR NIGHT..." By the way the word torment is translated from the Greek word "basanismou" and if you look in a Greek concordance it means torture, pain, torment. It does NOT mean annihilate. If they were annihilated, the phrase, "...no rest day or night..." makes absolutely no sense. To be honest, I hope we don't fully understand God's mercy and those who are sent to the Lake of Fire are annihilated, BUT that is NOT what scripture says, in English or Greek
Isaiah says that Edom would be covered with sulfur and that it's smoke would rise forever and ever. Edom was captured by the Babylonians. It never smoked.
This is Jewish literature. It's very symbolic. Also, one of the first mentions of eternal conscious torment is found in Judith, 100 BC. Christ was a Jew who preached to Jews using their language. Paul, writing to Gentiles, never mentioned any Hades/Gehenna. He was writng to mostly non-Jews. He said that the wages of sin is death.
When you scroll down Thayer's Greek Lexicon you will see (basanos) test metals by touchstone. Torment (basanos) a metaphor for testing. The Greek word for forever and ever is (aionon) (anabainei), ages of ages. A period of time. They won't be tormented for ever and ever, they will be tested and for a period of time.
There are compelling reasons to believe that Revelation 14: 9-11 is not talking about eternity or hell. But even if it is, the passage only applies to those who --take the mark of the beast-- _"worship the beast and its image."_ No one else is in view there.
@@IsaacNussbaum The mark of the beast was a metaphor of those Israelite's who said and practices this, "we have no king but Caesar." Also those who had the mark of the Lamb, the ones who were persecuted and were unable to participate in the economy. Explained this way in (Deuteronomy 11:18) “You shall therefore lay up these words of mine in your heart and in your soul, and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontlets between your eyes.
In other words, those who would show what they believed in with their mind and their actions.
@@james-cq3mi I changed the post and substituted "worship the beast and its image" for "take the mark of the beast." Regardless what all that means, eternal conscious torment cannot be true. Why? Because sinners do not have, and never will have, eternal life.
✴ _I am the living bread that came down from heaven. _*_IF_*_ anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever._ (John 6: 51, ESV)
Turn off the noise suppression next time.
Low volume syllables get cut off.
The noise suppression or equalisation of the interviewers voice is terrible. You can hardly hear what they are saying. It sounds like a series of grunts.
Revelation 14:9-11 says, "If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath...and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have NO REST, day or night." If they were annihilated out of existence, then the statement no rest day or night makes no sense. Revelation 20:10 says, "And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be TORMENTED day and night FOREVER and ever. . .Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if ANYONE"S name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire." By the way, the word torment is translated from the Greek word Basanismos, and it means to torture. It absolutely does NOT mean to annihilate and put out of existence.
You are in over your head, MB. I encourage you not to post on this subject again until you understand it much better than you do now.
Hell is real. Be careful...
Is death fake?
@@MattRyniker I think is real. According to the bible ,death and aging are punishment, because we failed God. But going to hell is called the second death; it's the eternal death( witch is far scarier than just dying). It's also the place where God is non present. You choose to live life without God. And hell is the place for sinners,who rejected the creator.
"Hell is real" -- Except for the fact that you have zero evidence.
*"Hell is real."* If hell is real, why isn't it anywhere in the original Bible manuscripts?
@ko_funk where god is not present? I hate when you guys make up things like that. Lol psalm says even if I did my bed in Sheol you are there.
If there is no 'eternal torment' in hell for the non-believer, is there temporary torment? I guess I'm asking is it the opinion of the author, that when one dies apart from Jesus, do they go through a 'temporary' torment?
The answer might surprise you, Ron. When people die, they don't "go" anywhere. Between death and the resurrection dead people really are dead. (Psalms 6: 5, Psalms 115: 17, Psalms 146: 4, Ecclesiastes 3: 18-20, Ecclesiastes 9: 5, Ecclesiastes 9: 10, John 5: 28-29, John 11: 11, Daniel 12: 2, 1 Timothy 6: 16)
@@IsaacNussbaum So there are no people in what is commonly called 'hell' now?
@@RonKris That's correct, Ron. Nobody is in hell now or ever. The original Bible manuscripts do not contain the word "hell" or any word which means hell.
Sheol is not hell.
Hades is not hell.
Gehenna is not hell.
The Lake of Fire is not hell.
I conclude from that, that there is no such place as hell.
@@IsaacNussbaum I guess we can say the place of eternal torment is for the fallen angels, correct?
@@RonKris I have not studied that question, Ron. So, what I am about to write are just my initial thoughts.
Matthew 25: 41 does say: ✴ _“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels."_ I note that verse does not say what the fire does to the devil and his angels. I do see this in Jude 1: 7:
✴ _…Sodom and Gomorrah…serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire._ Eternal fire, then, appears to be a destroying agent because Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed.
Further, Psalm 82:6, 7 and Ezekiel 28:17-19 seem to say that Satan and his angels eventually will be destroyed. But I would have to do much more Bible study before I could be dogmatic about any of this.
The soul is the union of the spirit, the breath of God, and the body, creating a "living soul". According to the Bible, when we die, the spirit, the breath of life returns to God who gave it, and the body returns to dust. "The soul that sinneth it shall die" "fear not who can destroy the body, fear who can destroy the body and soul in hell". The soul can die. Jesus called the first death "sleep". The second death is annihilation. I would not say the soul is asleep, it is simply not a "living soul" but has died the first death. The second death is the permanent destruction of the soul. And there is no consciousness in the grave or in the lake of fire - according to the Bible "the dead know not anything". And the soul and even hell itself is cast into the lake of fire and destroyed.
It's eternal. It couldn't be written more plainly.
As an annihilationists I don't believe that punishment is temporary its eternal
@@ByzBap Annihilationism means people cease to exist? How are you punished if you're not aware you're being punished?
@George Bradley The punishment is the death penalty and they will never live again so that is what makes the punishment eternal
@@ByzBap That's not punishment! "And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."
Matthew 10:28
If somebody tortures you to death in the most horrific way imaginable, then that's truly the only thing you need to fear as ceasing to exist you experience absolutely nothing, it would be like how you were before you were born.
Read Luke 16. The rich man lifted up his eyes and awakened in hell in torment.
The Bible couldn't teach this more plainly. Hell is eternal and conscious. Us mere human beings in this life can't possibly understand what 'spiritual death' is but the Bible does not teach those who die in their sin cease to exist.
Don't go by your feelings, read the word of God! He's the same, yesterday, today and forever.
@George Bradley I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that the death penalty is punishment. All around the world, the death penalty is reserved for the worst of crimes.
Matthew 10:28 helps prove annihilationism because the verse says that God will kill BOTH BODY AND SOUL in hell(gehenna). If both body and soul are killed(meaning rendered lifeless, inactive, and inanimate), then there's no more conscious person left, so in that sense, they cease to exist.
Romans 1:32 says that wicked people know that they deserve the death penalty. Hebrews 2:14-15 says that Jesus's death delivered us from the fear of death. 1 Corinthians 15:18 says that if christ isn't risen, then people who died in christ have perished, and the verse uses the same word as John 3:16 translated perish.
Here's a poem of an atheist showing their fear of death:
Aubade by Philip Larkin
I work all day, and get half-drunk at night.
Waking at four to soundless dark, I stare.
In time the curtain-edges will grow light.
Till then I see what's really always there:
Unresting death, a whole day nearer now,
Making all thought impossible but how
And where and when I shall myself die.
Arid interrogation: yet the dread
Of dying, and being dead,
Flashes afresh to hold and horrify.
The mind blanks at the glare. Not in remorse
- The good not done, the love not given, time
Torn off unused - nor wretchedly because
An only life can take so long to climb
Clear of its wrong beginnings, and may never;
But at the total emptiness for ever,
The sure extinction that we travel to
And shall be lost in always. Not to be here,
Not to be anywhere,
And soon; nothing more terrible, nothing more true.
Luke 16 talks about the intermediate state between death and resurrection because the parable, or story, takes place in hades and not gehenna. Our position is about what happens after resurrection.
The Bible doesn't use the phrase "spiritual death" nor teach eternal conscious torture, but it couldn't teach annihilationism more plainly.
I read the Bible, and after looking at both sides, annihilationism is what the Bible seems to teach.
Ecclesiastes 9:5
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not ANYTHING, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
The soul without the spirit, which returns to God, and the body returns to dust, is dead in the grave (according to the Bible)
This is the FIRST death.
What does Jesus call this first death?
Luke 8:52
“And all wept, and bewailed her: but he said, Weep not; she is not dead, but SLEEPETH.”
Matthew 9:24
He said unto them, Give place: for the maid is not dead, but SLEEPETH. And they laughed him to scorn.
1 Thessalonians 4:13
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which SLEEP in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Deuteronomy 31:16
16 And the Lord said unto Moses, Behold, thou shalt SLEEP with thy fathers; and this people will rise up, and go a whoring after the gods of the strangers of the land, whither they go to be among them, and will forsake me, and break my covenant which I have made with them.
Daniel 12:2
2 And many of them that SLEEP in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
What did Jesus call those dead in the grave ?
John 11:11-15
11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus SLEEPETH; but I go, that I may awake him out of SLEEP.
12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.
13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his DEATH: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep.
14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is DEAD.
And according to the Bible, we KNOW that the story Jesus told about Lazarus and the Rich Man is a PARABLE
Matthew 13:33
34 All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable SPAKE HE NOT unto them:
35 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.
I'm very saddened to see this. Hell is eternal. The Word of God says this!
It's not, it's an mistranslation of bible, why do you want something like eternal torture? Isn't your God all loving?
*"Hell is eternal. The Word of God says this!"* The original Bible manuscripts don't contain the word "hell" or any word which means hell.
The original Bible manuscripts do not have the word "hell" or any word which means hell. I conclude from that that there is no such place as hell.
That’s entirely untrue
"Hell" is not in the original Bible manuscripts. That word did not exist back then.
Sheol is not hell.
Hades is not hell.
Gehenna is not hell.
So what about my post is untrue?
@@IsaacNussbaum The bible does teach that Hades is the place for disembodied souls after death. It was a place where both the righteous and the unrighteous souls went at the moment of death. Hades bore a place for the righteous where they were comforted and a peace. There was also a place where the wicked, the unrighteous and the heretics would tormented and punished. While separate, both places were visible to the other. At Christ's death his soul, descended in to the righteous portion of hades as did the soul of the thief who repented on the cross and accepted Christ before the wicked who crucified Christ. All of this is clearly taught in the scriptures. It is sad that the Adventists have taken the Atheistic and carnal view of man.
In the most explicit manner Christ confirmed that the soul of man was judged immediately after the death of the body and immediately rewarded for its works, whether good or bad. Emphatically, Christ stated that the entire old testament, known as "The law and the Prophets" taught these things, but the carnal and earthly minded people would not believe these things, "even if someone came back from the dead to warn them" (Luke 16:26-31). What a surprise has it been to every Adventist who has passed away, don't let it be a surprise to you.
Atheists and Satanists do not believe in HELL. NEITHER DOES THE SDA. Ellen G. White taught that when the Levites offered a Sacrifice of "Burnt offering" that the animal received, the Adventist definition of *"Eternal punishment"* .
*What fool, besides the Adventist teaches that animals receive "eternal punishment" when offered to God by the Levites!? Ellen G. White was a false teacher. Sheol or Hades NEVER means annihilation or soul sleep!.*
Hades is not the grave, because the Greek word *mneema* is the word for grave in the New Testament.
From
SHEOL IS NOT THE GRAVE EITHER! An examination of the usages of *kever and Sheol reveals that Sheol cannot mean the grave* . The following twenty contrasts between kever and Sheol demonstrates this point:
1. While... kavar (to bury) is used in connection with kever, it is never used in connection with Sheol. *We can bury someone in a grave but we cannot bury anyone in Sheol* (Gen 23:4, 6, 9, 19, 20; 49:30, 31, etc.).
2. While *kever* is found in its plural form 'graves' (Ex 14:11), the word Sheol is never pluralized.
3. While a grave is located at a specific site (Ex 14:11), Sheol is never localized, because it is everywhere accessible at death no matter where the death takes place. No grave is necessary in order to go to Sheol.
4. While we can purchase or sell a grave (Gen 23:4-20), *Scripture never speaks of Sheol being purchased or sold.*
5. While we can own a grave as personal property (Gen 23:4-20), *nowhere in Scripture is Sheol owned by man.*
6. While we can discriminate between graves and pick the 'choicest site (Gen 23:6), nowhere in Scripture is a 'choice' Sheol pitted against a 'poor' Sheol.
7. While we can drop a dead body into a grave (Gen 50:13), no one can drop anyone into Sheol.
8. While we can erect a monument over a grave (Gen 35:20), Sheol is never spoken of as having monuments.
9. While we can, with ease, open or close a grave (2 Kings 23:16), Sheol is never opened or closed by man.
10. While we can touch a grave (Num 19:18), no one is ever said in Scripture to touch Sheol.
11. While touching a grave brings ceremonial defilement (Num 19:16), the Scriptures never speak of anyone being defiled by Sheol.
12. While we can enter and leave a tomb or grave (2 Kings 23:16), no one is ever said to enter and then leave Sheol.
13. While we can choose the site of our own grave (Gen 23:4-9), Sheol is never spoken of a something we can pick and choose.
14. While we can remove or uncover the bodies or bones in a grave ( 2 Kings 23:16), the Scriptures never speak of man removing or uncovering anything in Sheol.
15. While we can beautify a grave with ornate carvings or pictures (Gen 35:20), Sheol is never beautified by man.
16. While graves can be robbed or defiled (Jer 8:1,2), Sheol is never spoken of as being robbed or defiled by man.
17. While a grave can be destroyed by man (Jer 8:1, 2), nowhere in Scripture is man said to be able to destroy Sheol.
18. While a grave can be full, Sheol is never full (Prov 27:20).
19. While we can see a grave, Sheol is always invisible.
20. While we can visit the graves of loved ones, nowhere in Scripture is man said to visit Sheol.
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So I can live my life how I want to. When it’s over I just cease to exist. That’s what many ppl think anyway, they are fine with that. Why should they come to Christ? Hitler just ceased to exists. That’s it humm …
The doctrine that this RUclips video teaches comes from the pit of hell. Its aim is to take away the fear of God. Why should I fear God if all He will do is cease my existence to how I was before I was born?
The wages of sin is Death
Jesus took our place, our wages - He died
Whosoever believes on Him shall not Perish
It’s literally a matter of Life or Death.
Fear Him who destroys body and soul - this is the “second death”.
Plus, there is ample room for appropriate punishment prior to Death.
After studying this topic in depth for two years, I find it compatible with scripture.
Also - the Greek thinkers brought in the concept of the immortal soul.
In the bible, whenever immortality or eternal life is mentioned, it is always in regards to the righteous, believers. It is always a gift. There is no place on scripture that posits an inherently eternal soul.
Just a few observations.
Also, love like you want, then die. As if that’s nothing. There is punishment (few or many stripes) plus how tragic to miss the most amazing gift of eternal life in heaven?
@cma_91 Read the Bible! Don't go based on your feelings.
Etrnal life after this one exclusively in Christ Jesus.
John 3:16 says what it means and means what it says.
George, beware of that hardened heart of yours.
Don't need you guys or any professional theologian to tell me what God says! The Lord blessed me to read understand His Word for myself. Not arrogant, but confident of the traditional Biblically sound view of hell. However, whats really dumb founding how you guys chose to ignore the obvious of God's Word! So why did the Lord suffer God's wrath if there will be no eternal separation from God?b
*"So why did the Lord suffer God's wrath if there will be no eternal separation from God?"* Eternal death is the ultimate separation from God. ✴ _"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second _*_death."_* (Revelation 21: 8)
@@IsaacNussbaum Exactly. I've found with a few Biblical subjects, tradition gets in the way of understanding truth.
@@tomseverson5700 This is certainly one of those subjects. When I tell people that the unsaved will not inherit eternal life they look at me like I have two heads.
✴ _Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see_ [eternal] _life,_ (John 3: 36a; ESV)
Annihilationism cheapens what happened on the cross, and the punishment for the rejection of the Christ’s blood becomes just a mercy killing for the disobedient. If we are to believe in the ultimate Good which God has accomplished through His Son, and the benefits of becoming literal Sons of God and heirs to the promise through Christ, we must also believe in the ultimate “bad” as the natural consequence. God went “all in” on the cross, so to speak. The stakes have never been higher than when that ultimate sacrifice was made in real time and space. We have a choice to make, and the benefits and the punishment of rejecting that blood are the most extreme one can imagine on both sides, and for those who reject that precious blood - a mercy killing will not be sufficient to satisfy God’s wrath against sin during the final judgment. We must WAKE UP and understand this reality, stop cheapening what happened on the cross. Real souls are at stake Christian brother and sisters!!!!!!
Only Satan, The False Prophet, The Beast and those who take his Mark will suffer consciously in the Lake of Fire forever.
Yes, this is absolute HERESY! My Pastor didn't tell me this, The Holy, Inerrant Word of God told me.
Don't claim heresy if you don't know what the Bible even says about it
Here is what the inerrant word of God told me. (It tells anyone who will listen the same thing.) ✴ _For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not _*_perish...._* [ "apollumi" - be utterly destroyed ] (John 3: 16; KJV)
Heaven and Hell by Bart Ehrman .See where the concept of hell really came from .spoiler : not from god
You can rethink anything. That doesn't make it right. Rev 14 9-11 explicitly says that he'll is eternal torment. Never ending suffering.
In the depths of one of the most serious conversation regarding the pending martyrdom of the Apostles Christ was both trying to console them and warn them of their fate. In doing so, Christ warns them that as the Sabbath keepers called Christ Satan and persecuted and murdered Christ, the Apostles too would be called Satan and be persecuted as well as murdered. And it is here, that Christ most consoles them saying that when those wicked murder the Apostles, NOT TO FEAR, because, while they KILL THE BODY, *THEY CANNOT KILL THE SOUL* . It is ONLY the body being killed not their soul which live after the death of the body. Thus Christ says in Mt. 10:16-28.
16 “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to the councils, and *they will scourge you in their synagogues, (notice where they are BEATEN, in the Jewish Synagogue, by the Sabbath keepers)
Christ says the Sabbath keepers " Mt. 23:34 "..behold, *I send unto YOU prophets, and wise men* , and scribes: and *of them YOU shall kill and crucify;* and of them shall YOU scourge in *your* synagogues, and *persecute them from city to city* : (Rev. 17vs 6)
Back to Mt. 10:18 and ye shall be brought before governors and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak, for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaketh in you.
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child; and the children shall rise up against their parents and cause them to be put to death.
22 And ye shall be hated by all men for My name’s sake, but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another; for verily I say unto you, ye shall not have gone through the cities of Israel till the Son of Man be come.
24 “The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household! ( *the Church* ).
26 Fear them not therefore, for there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed, and hid that shall not be known.
27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light; and what ye hear in the ear, that *preach ye upon the housetops.*
28 And fear NOT them that KILL the BODY, *BUT ARE NOT ABLE TO KILLL THE SOUL;* but rather fear Him that is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
*Please read carefully the words of Christ to his apostles in verse 27. The apostles were to PREACH THESE VERY WORDS
"UPON THE HOUSETOPS" . And, the words are clearly that they that kill the body *CANNOT BE KILL SOUL*
The Adventists and JWs alike both preach that the wicked CAN KILL BOTH BODY AND SOUL as do the Atheists.
Thus, when St. Stephen the Sabbath keepers gnashed their teeth on St. Stephen like a bunch of rabid wolves and then stoned him, St. Stephen said in Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen as he called upon God and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”, for he had been well taught the words of Christ, that those KILL THE BODY *CANNOT KILL THE SOUL* Contrary to Ellen G. White the false prophet.
The same promises are made to those who are in TORMENTED this LIFE while others are arrogant and selfish, those who suffer are "comforted," in paradise at death, while those who are at comfort in this life, will be tormented IN HADES. (Luke 16:19-31) The Adventists hate these teachings because they are truth and come from Christ. *The Adventist wish to take every consolation from the poor and suffering and the hope of comfort and paradise away from the Christian, and let them die as do Atheists.*
Neither Chris Date nor I are Adventists. We hold to conditional immortality, a doctrine that the Bible teaches plainly and often.
✴ _22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life._ (Genesis 3: 22-24; KJV)
@@IsaacNussbaum Jesus Christ himself taught that the Old Testament and the New Testament teach the immortality of the soul and eternal punishment. The Bible does not teach conditional and mortality anywhere in the Scriptures. It is the problem with the car mine who refuses to see the explicit words of Christ and enjoys being special by being being a heretic. In the end, Jesus Christ warned that those who do not believe in the immortality in the soul and eternal punishment will find themselves wishing that they can go back and warn their brothers and sisters and the people they know of the suffering, every eternal punishment for denying Jesus Christ in the most explicit way, because Jesus Christ taught that the immortality of the soul and eternal punishment or doctrines directly from the father and if you deny them then
Christ himself 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
The same promises are made to those who are in TORMENTED this LIFE while others are arrogant and selfish, those who suffer are "comforted," in paradise at death, while those who are at comfort in this life, will be tormented IN HADES. (Luke 16:19-31) The Adventists hate these teachings because they are truth and come from Christ. *The Adventist wish to take every consolation from the poor and suffering and the hope of comfort and paradise away from the Christian, and let them die as do Atheists.*
@@catholic4sure976 ROTFL. Have a nice life, my friend.
@@IsaacNussbaum In the depths of one of the most serious conversation regarding the pending martyrdom of the Apostles Christ was both trying to console them and warn them of their fate. In doing so, Christ warns them that as the Sabbath keepers called Christ Satan and persecuted and murdered Christ, the Apostles too would be called Satan and be persecuted as well as murdered. And it is here, that Christ most consoles them saying that when those wicked murder the Apostles, NOT TO FEAR, because, while they KILL THE BODY, *THEY CANNOT KILL THE SOUL* . It is ONLY the body being killed not their soul which live after the death of the body. Thus Christ says in Mt. 10:16-28.
16 “Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves. Be ye therefore wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
17 But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to the councils, and *they will scourge you in their synagogues, (notice where they are BEATEN, in the Jewish Synagogue, by the Sabbath keepers)
Christ says the Sabbath keepers " Mt. 23:34 "..behold, *I send unto YOU prophets, and wise men* , and scribes: and *of them YOU shall kill and crucify;* and of them shall YOU scourge in *your* synagogues, and *persecute them from city to city* : (Rev. 17vs 6)
Back to Mt. 10:18 and ye shall be brought before governors and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak, for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father who speaketh in you.
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child; and the children shall rise up against their parents and cause them to be put to death.
22 And ye shall be hated by all men for My name’s sake, but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another; for verily I say unto you, ye shall not have gone through the cities of Israel till the Son of Man be come.
24 “The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household! ( *the Church* ).
26 Fear them not therefore, for there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed, and hid that shall not be known.
27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light; and what ye hear in the ear, that *preach ye upon the housetops.*
28 And fear NOT them that KILL the BODY, *BUT ARE NOT ABLE TO KILLL THE SOUL;* but rather fear Him that is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
*Please read carefully the words of Christ to his apostles in verse 27. The apostles were to PREACH THESE VERY WORDS
"UPON THE HOUSETOPS" . And, the words are clearly that they that kill the body *CANNOT BE KILL SOUL*
The Adventists and JWs alike both preach that the wicked CAN KILL BOTH BODY AND SOUL as do the Atheists.
Thus, when St. Stephen the Sabbath keepers gnashed their teeth on St. Stephen like a bunch of rabid wolves and then stoned him, St. Stephen said in Acts 7:59 And they stoned Stephen as he called upon God and said, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit!”, for he had been well taught the words of Christ, that those KILL THE BODY *CANNOT KILL THE SOUL* Contrary to Ellen G. White the false prophet.
Immediately after teaching the immortality of the soul to the Apostles, Christ then warned them, that to deny Christ's teachings is to deny Christ Himself. Adventist's and their like find themselves, not only denying Christ's teachings but calling Christ, "Satan" in order to justify their heresy. In the same chapter 10 immediately after commanding the Apostles to teach the immortality of the soul Christ then says:
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 *But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.*
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
The same promises are made to those who are in TORMENTED this LIFE while others are arrogant and selfish, those who suffer are "comforted," in paradise at death, while those who are at comfort in this life, will be tormented IN HADES. (Luke 16:19-31) The Adventists hate these teachings because they are truth and come from Christ. *The Adventist wish to take every consolation from the poor and suffering and the hope of comfort and paradise away from the Christian, and let them die as do Atheists.*
@@catholic4sure976 I know why Satan said "Ye shall not surely die." I'm not entirely sure why you repeat it.
“If you don’t believe in me, I will annihilate you”
Look at it this way though. If you truly don't want to be with God would you want to live forever with Him anyway? I feel like this is a nice middle ground. Christians get to believe there's something in the hereafter and atheists already thought there's nothing on the other side anyway so they'll be fine being annihilated.
@@storba3860 is it a loving act to “annihilate” someone you created, simply because they don’t believe in you?
@@infinightsky I believe the choice will be given at the judgement rather than limited to this life. There are also some purgatorial annihilationists who argue that Hell exists as a final chance to repent.
The Great Divorce does a pretty good job of illustrating what that could look like.
@@storba3860 is it a loving act?
@@infinightsky Given that the atheists believe that's the fate of everyone it's at the very least a neutral act.
Smh hersey. He’s reading his own beliefs in the scriptures. Saints please don’t believe him. The scriptures are easy to understand.
Yeah the scriptures are easy to understand... perish means perish John 3:16
@@FaithfulFireRadioforever also means forever
@@danielake1969 *"forever also means forever"* I agree with you. More importantly, the Bible agrees with you. ✴ _[The unsaved] will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction…._ (2 Thessalonians 1: 9, ESV)
Thank God am a Catholic.
Matthew 16:18-21
Saved from this thrash
Catholics are wrong about so many things I don't even know where to begin. A lot of their doctrines are based on human traditions, i.e. manmade. The RC church teaches a lot of things that are ridiculous. Chris Date's doctrinal beliefs are much more sound and Biblically-based than the doctrine of the RC church.
Why. They got so much wrong
Sorry to tell you this but your leader the pope is the ANTICHRIST and the MAN OF SIN spoken of in the Bible (2 Thess 2:1-12, Daniel 7, I John 2:18-19, Rev 13, 17 and 18.). This was always the traditional Protestant view from the time of the Reformation.
Catholicism doesn't save you from anything.
Great Chris. Now, dump the Trinity in favor of Subordinationism!!
unitarianism
Here's how you water down the gospel and gain false converts for your own gratification.
That's bullshit.
@@forwardsdrawkcab really? You clearly don't read the Bible with that type of language.
True. His language is not very Christian. Neither is religious pride. His comment to your reply is just as uncharitable as your original comment if you take some time to think about it.
@@MattRyniker Please explain.
Water down the gospel? Then Jesus, himself, watered down the gospel in exactly the same way. ✴ _For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not _*_perish...._* (John 3: 16, KJV)
God is present EVEN in hell.
Psalm 139:8
8 If I ascend into heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in [a]hell, behold, You are there.
The trinity is a lie, "we have but one God, the father" 1. Corinthians 8:6
Listen, O Israel! the LORD is our God, the LORD alone. (Deut 6:4) And there is none besides him (Isaiah 45:5)
i can give a bunch of those very clear verses.
The trinity is One God!
Ok. Lost me on your defense of Calvinism. Have a blessed days. Later
READ YOUR BIBLE!!!
Revelation 20:10, 14, 15!!!
“And WHOSOEVER was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire!”, which is the second death (14), and verse 10 tells us that it is a place of everlasting torment day and night!!
...but only the devil, false prophet and beast are explicitly mentioned. Those not in the book of life are not explicitly mentioned. Some are cast alive in the lake of fire, others are slain....
*" **--READ--** UNDERSTAND YOUR BIBLE!!!"* ✴ _The lake of fire is the second _*_death._* Death -- death -- death -- death. (Revelation 20: 14; NIV)
The soul is the union of the spirit, the breath of God, and the body, creating a "living soul". According to the Bible, when we die, the spirit, the breath of life returns to God who gave it, and the body returns to dust. "The soul that sinneth it shall die" "fear not who can destroy the body, fear who can destroy the body and soul in hell". The soul can die. Jesus called the first death "sleep". The second death is annihilation. I would not say the soul is asleep, it is simply not a "living soul" but has died the first death. The second death is the permanent destruction of the soul. And there is no consciousness in the grave or in the lake of fire - according to the Bible "the dead know not anything". And the soul and even hell itself is cast into the lake of fire and destroyed.
To all God fearing Jesus loving brothers and sisters may the Grace and Peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. Act 17:11 Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.
Let me be perfectly clear. We do agree that there is a literal “hell”, that it is very real, and all that reject Christ end up there. However we disagree on the function and purpose of “hell”. Hell is not a place for endless tormenting. It is a place for the soul to be burned up, and destroyed like Jesus said God can do in Matthew 10:28 “Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.” These are the words of Jesus, oh and it was NOT a parable.”
Gen 3:2-3 The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”. Question: Did Adam and Eve know for sure what it meant to die? Or was God not clear to them? Did God say Die, or did God say live in torment forever? Could it be that they did not understand this very important issue? Before they reached a sinful state, they must have been very intelligent, and in no way could they have misunderstood what death meant coming directly from God.
Gen 3:4 “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. Statement: The serpent is the one claiming that Adam and Eve are eternal, not God. God said you will die, and the serpent is saying that you won’t die. Who are you going to believe? The father of lies, or the Author of life?
1 Tim 6:15-16 which God will bring about in his own time-God, the blessed and only Ruler, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who ALONE is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has seen or can see. To him be honor and might forever.
Genesis 3:19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you ARE and to DUST you will RETURN.
Genesis 3:22 And the Lord God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must NOT be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, AND LIVE FOREVER.
JB's Notes: If the soul was eternal then why did God order this? There would be no point in the order. The Lord God did not want man to eat from the tree of life so that he would NOT live forever in his sinful state. Hence he put cherubim and a flaming sword to guard the way to the tree of life. This seems pretty serious here for God to do this, and it should be very clear what God says about eternal life.
Exodus 22:20 Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the Lord must be DESTROYED.
Job 9:22 It is all the same; that is why I say, 'he DESTROYS both the blameless and the wicked.'
JOB Chapter 20:4-9 Surely you know how it has been from of old, ever since man was placed on the earth, that the mirth of the wicked is brief, the joy of the godless lasts but a moment. Though his pride reaches to the heavens and his head touches the clouds, he will PERISH FOREVER, like his own dung; those who have seen him will say, 'Where is he?' Like a dream he flies away, no more to be found, banished like a vision of the night. The eye that saw him will not see him again; his place will look on him no more.
Job 37:23
The Almighty is beyond our reach and exalted in power; in his justice and great righteousness, he does not OPPRESS.
PSALM Chapter 6:4-5 Turn, O Lord, and deliver me; save me because of your unfailing love. No one REMEMBERS you when he is dead. Who praises you from the grave?
PSALM Chapter 7:5 Then let my enemy pursue and overtake me; let him trample my life to the ground and make me SLEEP in the dust. Selah.
PSALM Chapter 22:29 All the rich of the earth will feast and worship; all who go down to the dust will kneel before him-those who CANNOT keep themselves ALIVE.
JB's NOTES: Are you awake yet? You can not keep yourself alive, only God can do that.
And if you can not keep yourself alive that means you can not be eternal if you have rejected Jesus who is our salvation!
PSALM Chapter 37:1-2 Do not fret because of evil men or be envious of those who do wrong; for like the grass they will soon wither, like green plants they will soon DIE AWAY.
PSALM Chapter 37:10 a little while, and the wicked will BE NO MORE; though you look for them, they will not be found.
PSALM Chapter 37:20 But the wicked will PERISH: The Lord's enemies will be like the beauty of the fields, they will vanish - vanish like smoke.
PSALM Chapter 37:35-36 I have seen a wicked and ruthless man flourishing like a green tree in its native soil, but he soon passed away and was NO MORE; though I looked for him, he could not be found.
PSALM Chapter 37:38 But ALL sinners will be DESTROYED; the future of the wicked will be cut off.