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i see that at my current job, as an executive admin, i filter resumes and meetings and interviews, 5 years of doing this, let me tell you, even before job get posted, they already knew who they gonna hire but still ended up interviewing 5 other candidates. I want to kill myself each time i have to call and arrange an interview with those candidates that im 100% not getting this job, no matter what, and i see how hard they have worked on their cover letters and super well dressed for the interview. So many times i wanted to just go ahead and tell those poor souls that go home, you are just wasting your time here.
This happens at my place too and it’s a school of all things. Every time they want to hire a new teacher, one of the headmistresses arranges it so that it’s one of her buddies from her old school. Staff favourites can also invite their friends and family to apply for other roles. They only hire outside of that when they’re desperate (which on reflection is how I got in 😂). It makes for such a toxic gossipy cliquey environment and it’s sad seeing them literally laugh at the resumes of qualified teachers who want a chance at a job
Another possibility: collecting resumes and applications and using that as an ongoing threat of instant replacement against employees, to keep them compliant.
Yes, this is huge. I remember applying for a company where I knew a few people who worked there. I also knew a few of the people who were applying. Long story short, none of us who applied got the jobs and the people I knew who worked there straight up told me they didn't hire anyone new. They just moved people around and gave the employees more responsibility.
You hurt yourself and the company by lying to them, not to mention you hurt those who are more capable and have more integrity. In the end everyone is worse off, including you. You will eventually understand that.
@@SRose-vp6ew Not necessarily, if you know you can do the job and you lie about some bs so you can get the job you did what you had to do to get there, these same people could turn to crime instead out of desperation. A lot of jobs have stupid requirements that really doesn't matter at all to the job you're supposed to be doing, it's simply a case of elitism, wanting people who are way overqualified to do basic tasks.
I once applied on Craigslist for a restaurant that had recently opened, got a call back quickly and they asked me to come in on Saturday for training. I was told training wasn't paid which should have been a red flag and I believe is illegal where I live but whatever, I had a job. Went in Saturday evening, had a server show me where everything was and I just shadowed and helped her out for the night. Waitress shared some of her tips with me and I went home at the end of the shift. The owner/manager dipped early in the night so I called the next day to find out... do I have a job? Is there a schedule? but they ghosted me. Saw the same ad up for months afterward until someone posted a "WARNING don't work for (restaurant)" listing explaining how the owners did this to every applicant just to get free labor on busy nights when their few (presumably actually paid) employees were swamped. Pretty devious.
I noticed this over 10 years ago... applied for thousands of jobs and never heard anything back, even though I was more than qualified. It's extremely demoralizing and should be illegal.
@@worldhello1234 Ask any other country with actual working laws. The US isn't just the only developed nation without any real worker protections and the option for free healthcare, it's one of the few FULL STOP. Many developing nations actually have these things.
Yes but they would just adopt a Publisher's Clearing House model or something where they hire one person a year from their hundreds of fake job postings to feign legitimacy.
My favorite ones are the job postings that are so specific in the requirements that the only person qualified for the job is the last person who had it.
Exactly-when companies request in a job description that one must be an expert in a multitude of softwares no one has ever heard of along w/a zillion other of duties...huh???
Its so insufferable to hear my parents and other older people say "no one wants to work anymore" and "everywhere's hiring" when ive applied to dozens and dozens of jobs and cant get a call back from a single one 🙃
"dead end jobs" are hiring like crazy. PS: dead-end jobs don't exist, only careers you give up on... Every company has a CEO, and everyone wants to promote from within (or they say they do) because turnover is expensive.
@@randomuserame nah they don’t care about promoting from within. They make the job so easy that they don’t have to value experience skill and knowledge. That’s why people complain so much about the help at places like big box hardware stores. It’s their business strategy to have high turnover and keep wages low because wages are the biggest expense of most retailers. (Because manufacturing is done at slave wages overseas).
skilled labor or trade skills are extremely lucretive. just no one wants to do them. you want a good job look into welding or electrician. my plumber buddy made about 20-30k a month. he took the "emergency" jobs for companies. fucken bastard still owes me 20 bucks though.
@@randomuserame LOL people quit because there’s no path to promotion. That’s why they’re called dead end jobs. My fiance has been an entry level marketer for 5 years and she makes millions for her company, hits all her goals and quotas and they keep telling her she’s too valuable to promote. She complained to HR and they gave her a $10k raise but still refused to promote. That’s normal now. Everyone she works with is in the same position. You’re just ignorant of reality.
Make sure u actually call them. So many of my freeloading friends apply for jobs and never follow through. Its how they weed out worthless pukes. If you dont even call about your app why would they hire you?? Not saying u didnt just make sure u do dont waste your time twiddling your thumbs beating your meat and watching netfix.
@candice : No, it's not "automatic". Lmao, if you can prove you wrote the code, it isn't legally yours. Also, we're not talking about free labor here. Most people have to do coding interviews just to get the job.
Unlikely. Rich capitalists hold all the power. They'll simply bribe your government officials to require special licenses to operate AI. Business will be able to create ghost job listings because "it's a private business, it can do what it wants." You, on the other hand, will go to jail.
I have mixed feelings about this. One the one hand, they deserve it. On the other hand, it's just some hr employees that will dealing with it. On the other hand, I've talked to way too many department managers that clearly wanted to hire me as they were desperate for some help only to have HR wait around with their thumb up their ass for days and weeks just to eventually turn me down and tell the manager to just continue to deal with the staff shortage.
This has been going on for YEARS. I have confronted more than one hiring manager about this. They literally put up a job to get applicants IN CASE they have an opening in the future and need it filled quickly. Spending hours applying for jobs that don't exist. They also refuse to TRAIN people for specialty jobs and get upset nobody is applying that know everything.
Do NOT get pregnant or married now. We are entering the GREATEST DEPRESSION where the starvation of the Great Depression 1930s will look like luxury times.
I first experience this just over 20 years ago and it was outstandingly frustrating, and I think deceitful. I went through two or three interviews and did very well and then the hiring manager eventually told me that they were basically waiting for the contract to come through so they can hire people. I was never told this prior. This is also why I put minimal effort into my job applications. I have a generic résumé with little interest in crafting a cover letter.
I once interviewed for a manager job which included upgrading their office IT. They asked some of the things I'd do. So of course I gave an example. Next thing I know they decide to "not fill this position at this time." That's when I realized they used the interviews as free consultations.
Rules for Consulting (Or being probed): *Until you get paid...* Show them the problem Or give them the solution. *Never both.* And if you give the solution, give only 1 solution of many problems, or half of the solution to multiple problems. Always give a "reasonably insane" number if they're asking "pick your brain" questions. This is based on the revenue/value of the company. Generally, not more than 10% of the company's total value/revenue. Company-wide, not just the department that's calling you. Eg: "I understand that you're in a tough position and you need to find solutions fast in order to maximize profits. I'm absolutely willing to contribute significantly to Project X, and i'm looking forward to providing significant value for [the company]. For projects like this, my initial consultation is 500,000.00 USD, with half paid up front. At my expertise level, I like to make sure the project isn't too far below my expertise level, or that the compensation makes it worth my opportunity cost. In my exp, projects like this usually take [X time] I'd be thrilled to arrange an ongoing investment of 75k [at some interval] to implement solutions. MOST people calling you can't hang up fast enough. The ones that don't... congrats, you might have a new client. Hope you know your stuff.
Yep. I made it to a third interview with a tech outfit, that ended up being a technical interview where I told them how to fix their stack of Cisco switches. Never heard from them again. Then I found out the city the outfit was located was going to sue the company, he was even scamming the government.
Just did 5 interviews with a company in person. The interviews were each 1-2 hrs a piece. Even as far as meeting CEO and the team. Had to prepare presentations and lots of pre interview work. I didnt land the job and said my skills weren't up to par. This is the first time I've heard this, not to mention the team was blown away with my portfolio in person. They were so blown away, they were asking me for advice on current things they were facing. I was devastated to not land the job, came onto hard times from a layoff and this one felt like the "one". My friend said it's probably a ghost job since their last message said "we will contact you as soon as a position opens". Thank you for posting this. The timing is wild.
They probably stole your presentation ideas. Programmers are asked to submit code for job consideration and a lot of "hiring" managers just steal the code to adopt as his own.
Like the above poster said, when they ask you to do a presentation on a solution for a current issue they’re facing, often there’s no job and they’re doing it to get your work for free. Like a consultant, but they have 5 qualified people (‘job applicants’) give them a different perspective for free by dangling a job in front of them.
Just for clarification, the presentations are all around portfolio work. They can steal away since its all stuff i have on my website. Just the fact it wasnt a standard heres my portfolio type presentation. It was more of "show us your portfolio in a ppt format, but also show us your process and how you work through solutuons". I focused heavily on showing the end product but never going to in depth about technique. Otherwise they will just get the benefit of free education and industry techniques. I will say I've seen similar companies that ask for an art test and that is an immediate red flag. It was just an unusual way to present and the weirder thing was that they didnt even have their own laptops or projectors, so i had to being a laptop which is unconventional in every way.
@@TheOriginalCameron Apparently "rage-applying" is when you're mad at your boss so in the heat of the moment, you go apply for a bunch of other jobs. It sort of expresses the same emotion as quitting, but you don't lose your source of income. It looks to me like it isn't considered a bad thing at all.
@@Tzizenorec Dissatisfaction applying is something different, though, right? Applying for another job because you're angry/dissatisfied with your current employment/employer seems perfectly reasonable to me.
You know what I hate? Applying for a job on indeed that says it’s located in your area, get an interview and then you find out that it’s actually a staffing agency and they don’t actually have that position available in my area…even though it said the job was in my area in the listing
This !!! I had one bring me in to fill out all paperwork & drug test. then called me back a day later saying they only had a totally different position available 😒
@@jackr2287 I had that happen to me I was rage applying to jobs like 7 years ago. Got a call setup an interview which was over skype. I thought was weird since it was well before web internviews were common. Found out it was staffing for a job in my area but Id work for them. I ended up taking the job because I wanted out of that other job. Ill never work for these types of companies again. 0 room for improvment or payraises but it did open the door to the job I am currently at.
I have staffing firms still putting in my resume from 15 years ago. Oh the fun of having some rando call me up saying "I got your resume from X-fly-by-night-staffing firm and I would like to talk to you about an engineering position in some-fly-over-city-usa" only to have to tell them I am a Sr Director of Engineering at X-very-large-firm-Silicon-Valley
We own a small mom and pop company, we actually had a job posted on an online board that we didn’t post. We weren’t hiring, had never used any job board or other online forum to post a job, but suddenly we were getting calls from applicants inquiring about a job at our shop. We asked them to report the posting as fake on the job board and I emailed the online job board website and made a complaint.
I feel like there's also a strategy using ghost jobs in order to have it count as an attempt to hire so they can get tax breaks or get access to immigrant vouchers so they can pay them cheaper.
There’s a big production plant here that runs ads non stop everywhere, looking to hire immediately, 20 vacancies, full time year round, top wages blah blah blah, they don’t hire anyone that applies, they slowly go rid of the workers they had and now they got half of Mexico in there, we used to work on their trucks and buses but after that we stopped
@@helmholtzthemulewatson4763 It's basically when a company signals to the government that they cannot find a worker in the US and so the US issues something akin to a green card so that they can hire someone outside the US
A big company where I live does exactly that. They got busted a decade ago for having a ton of workers with no or fake work green cards and now they have actual banners out in front of their buildings promising starting pay and bennifets. The ads have been up for years. Somehow the work still gets done?
Its also used as justification for hiring visa workers. "We advertised for 2 years and nobody qualified applied" when they are putting wages no reasonable person would work for.
That sounds like Canada in a nutshell it's gotten so bad that we can barely even find africans willing to move here and work our fast food windows anymore
This is exactly why so many job postings have ridiculous and impractical requirements (eg requiring a Ph.D, 15 years experience, knowledge of every software released in the last 10 years, etc for a receptionist position). In order to gain approval to hire workers overseas, companies have to be able to prove they tried to hire someone from the US and that there were no qualified candidates.
I had a potential job years ago where the company flew me out to Denver to discuss their "opening". I spent the day meeting their staff, signing an NDA, and looking at their project effort. At one point they mentioned that they had an architectural issue that had been preventing them from expanding into another market. Since it was an area of expertise I had, I immediately recognized the issue and explained to their SME how the issue could be resolved. They were very excited and by the end of the day, they had a functional prototype. I thought I had the job, but the next day they told me they no longer needed to fill the position and put me on a plane back home. Not everyone who has an "opening", wants to hire you...
The amount of remote jobs I applied to with NO response is ridiculous and the amount of time I spent trying to adapt my resume and cover letters for each position is even more ridiculous
I keep getting mails from people on Indeed and other online job boards saying they saw my resume and think I'm a great fit for their remote purchasing manager position. It feels too good to be true (I also have no experience in purchasing or managing), and ignore them.
@@Musical_Pigeon Good idea to ignore them. They're probably MLM pitches. That's 'remote purchasing manager' sounds exactly like what an MLM would call their downlines to make them think they're not downlines.
@@Musical_PigeonYeah, that sounds a lot like pyramid schemes. Or, like the other comment said, MLM or multi level marketing as they changed the name to not sound as bad. It's the same thing though.
Kmart and Sears had “Now Hiring “ signs up even though the stores were dead and losing $$$. It was to give customers the impression that the business was fine but they actually weren’t hiring at all
Every store is like that. My local Walmart has had Now Hiring signs ever since the start of this pandemic. But EVERY TIME I go there, it’s super busy, lines are 20+ minutes wait, and there’s only 1 cashier working. Self checkout is swamped, and there’s no one manning Customer Service. I’m telling you, they are NOT hiring, instead they take your information and sell it or do wetf they do because corporate greed.
@Alex or it's both. My partner's work seems to somehow manage high turnover and intentional understaffing. I think the pandemic made a lot of companies realize they can pay 1 person to do the work of 3 for the same wage. Sure Corners are cut and customers are unhappy but they come back anyway, so who cares? Not like OSHA actually enforces the rules anymore anyway 🤷♀️
I noticed this over 8 years ago, when I was trying to find work fresh out of high school. SO many jobs that didn't exist. Also, so many entry level positions that asked for years of experience.
That's been my problem. Every entry level job in my field is demanding experience. I understand mid level and senior level positions, but entry level is supposed to be a beginner's job. How are people like us supposed to start out? I'm so close to just making up a fake internship just to get one of these companies to even look my direction.
It's all fun and games, until someone figures out how to identify ghost jobs, then shares that information with unemployed people who want to exploit the system. The only way problems get fixed are when they cost the government or a rich person money.
@@greglocker2124 I mean wtf :)). I though only old and fed up corporate people like me would hang in here, not 12 years old who never had to go through that shit...
It also gives an excuse to for management to shift the blame when angry customers complain about bad service. “We have all these positions posted, but no one wants to work anymore”
This happens at a certain retail place in a town near me. My sister worked retail nearby, and she KNEW they weren't really hiring. People would try to work there occasionally, but the place would cruelly rearrange their schedule and give people just under full time hours to stay cheap. Impossible to work for even when they did occasionally hire someone (rare). To have that few hours you need two jobs, but to have two jobs you need stable hours! My mother went into that store and some lady was ranting about how disorganized the store was "we're sorry ma'am, we're really understaffed but we keep putting out applications! :(" "wow, I can't believe it what is WRONG with young people these days that no one is working?"
I waited tables at a tourist spot last summer and we had to write on the chalkboard everyday “Please be patient as we are understaffed.” That wasn’t true-we had a full crew-but it made the customers less pissy about the long waits. It made me feel gross.
John: that lame excuse is so insulting, isn't it? Mike Rowe is even joining the harpies on this. I hope he sees this channel. Great topic.....tell 'em to jam it....
its useful propaganda material to look like the unemployed need kicking for not filling the advertised vacancies where i live. the ghost jobs are compiled, as advertised, for govt data
I went to Barcelona for a job interview at a consulting firm. I commuted for 2 hours and spent 15€ on transport. At the interview, a young guy said they were "gathering potential candidates for a job that doesn't exist yet". This was not mentioned in the original ad.
I once spent $40 for a round trip Uber downtown for a position in a restaurant I’ve been to and even got a response about the position…it was shuttered and I was talking to a bot and the application never got taken down
I learned about this back in the 90's, when I was very young looking for my first "real" job. I gave out my contact information on fake job applications. No legitimate employer ever used it, but I had so much scammers blowing up my phone trying to sell me job finding services and technical courses. I'm like, this can't be a good business model to target unemployed broke people.
Actually it is. People with money may spend money without thinking about it and just be like well I’ll do my stocks while I wait for a job and they lose hundreds
I've seen so many jobs reposted over and over again whenever I was unemployed. I would apply to them, never receive an answer, but a few weeks later it would get reposted, and on some of them you could see that there were 1-2k applications; it made me wonder why they couldn't find someone fit for that role out of 1k+ applicants.
Probably a bad place to work. I applied to positions that readvertised for the past couple of years and went to the reviews on the company. They had 1-star reviews which explained it.
Before I had my job of 13 years, I saw this shit all the time, the same job/position would be available for 6 or 12 months plus and never get filled. And we're only talking entry level or low skilled positions, surely it's not that hard to find someone with the qualifications to stack some shelves, fill out some reports and man a register.
@@UltimateGattai it makes me wonder how accurate governments report the growth of the job market. If they count these fake job postings, all those numbers that are presented every month might be less optimistic.
You said what everyone was thinking. Feels strange to have my suspicions confirmed, and extremely frustrated over the *hours* wasted on applying to jobs.
@@juanguzman8034 Every day people experience the problems first hand. It's the government that started this mess, and they're never going to fix the economy because they're the ones profiting and all they have to say is "ignore the fact that the working class has been stagnating, the country's GDP raised 2% because of the corporate monopoly profits, so clearly everything is great!"
Or have fun with it. A lot of them are easy to spot. I like to send in wild resumes and cover letters in the hope that it might actually make it through the filter software and land on someone's desk. As long as they have a sense of humor I'm sure they'll get an laugh from some of the crap I've written in there.
Yup I've experienced ghosting quite a bit and now I have to take a survival job. Lots of A-hole recruiters do this and it's just wasting everyones time. I had a few recruiters get mad at me for asking for $60k salary for a tech sales job. Some listings require a person to have mid level to senior level skills in the entry level category. Us jobseekers got to be cutthroat just like these employers are.
I've had them get huffy at me for asking $60k for software engineering positions, they're like "based on geography and your lack of experience you can get $40k because you live in a cheaper state and have no experience" I completed a four year degree, in person, at an accredited university 🤔people around here can make about $40k doing unskilled labor and they don't have to be on call weekends for it what the heck?
I've been searching for an entry level into web development for the past 3-4 days, only 1 of them had entry level requirements. I am seriously thinking about fabricating 2 years' working experience so I can get a job that I can do right now (after self teaching for 1 year).
Thanks, Joshua. My Dad told me a long time ago that "loyalty" was an employer's tactic to get employees to take less than market value for their services.
This is old news, and has been a thing for many years. This is mainly used by companies when hiring an internal person for a role, where they make people apply to a fake job posting that they have no intention of ever filling to meet various HR and/or legal criteria that "no acceptable candidates were found".
Very true I’ve seen this first hand. Even worse is when they do interview external candidates with absolutely no intention to hire, just to check the legal boxes. I’ve seen some candidates drive almost 3 hours to make an interview that was pointless.
Actually that is a completely different scenario. That's a real job you intend to fill with an already preselected candidate but HR rules makes you interview two to four other people for the role. That being said I have done that and but then gone back and picked up one or two of the rejects because they were actually really good at a later time.
the other part of the game is when you want to downsize by finding a reason to fire somebody you have to open their position and hire a replacement otherwise their unemployment claim is valid. So they open the position for a new candidate to replace you, jumping through all those hoops, and get away without being on the hook for unemployment.
The term I use for these job posts is 'quota posts'. Any job posting that requires more years of experience then a technology or framework has been around as well as any 'entry level' job that requires 3-5 years of experience is a quota post to me. These job posts only serve to fulfill what I presume are quotas on job listings or to make HR workers look busy. What bugs me are the politicians and economist stating that 'there are all of these job posts' when I know the economy is in recession.
Yeah, I've seen several engineering jobs 'requiring' a PhD with a listed hourly wage in the $14-18 range. I laughed at the audacity of these listings, but maybe it was actually some poor HR rep trying to make it obvious their company was posting one of these quota ghost jobs and save would-be applicants the hassle.
I’ve been catching on to this, recently I’ve been looking for another job ( for supplement income)… Some red flags to noticed… 1. If it’s been 3-5 days and you haven’t heard from a company keep looking.., don’t put all your eggs in one basket. 2. If the employer schedules a phone interview. This isn’t always a red flag, but in most cases I noticed if a company schedule a phone/video interview they’re not in a rush to hire someone. 3. The interview is scheduled almost a week out. I had a employer call on Monday, and ask if I was willing to come in for an interview for a Friday.. so almost 5 days out… (that’s shows no urgency to hire) 4. The employer changes the hiring requirements during the interview. Suddenly the expectations and the shift changes when you meet for interview…red flag 5. If you notice the job listening has been online for awhile, or there’s over 10 candidates applying for the job… don’t bother applying There’s definitely more red flags… but these are the ones that standout to me the most. ❤️Don’t get discouraged, everything will be okay. Good luck everyone 🙏
On top of those ghost jobs - companies hold interviews with no intention of hiring. During the interview they ask totally irrelevant questions. Those are an even bigger waste of time for all parties involved.
I was starting to think there was something wrong with me cause my boomer parents kept gaslighting me into thinking that the job market was as always, when Ive never had as much difficulty with scams and fake job postings as ive had after the lockdowns.
@@oddysay "just find recruiters it worked for your dad" "hey its me recruiter i found you a job" "hey it's me totally real job we need ur ssn and bank routing number :)" 😐
@@oddysay "seriously just get a real recruiter" "hey its me recruiter there's no openings right now but I will kindly keep an eye out, okay?" [10 targeted spam calls, emails, and texts a day from that point forward] 🤔
My family is feeling the effects of this. My wife was laid off and has been looking for another job for months, leaving me to try and support a family of 3 on $18 per hour, not fun
Hello I was homeless once, got out of it without any help. Best financial advice I’ve ever heard: if you can’t buy it twice, you cant afford it! Also the 10% rule, if you have 100$, you really only have $10. These two things helped me out of poverty. Hopefully it helps you as well good luck 🤞
@@NipplesOfDestiny Thank you, that sounds like very sound advice, and I'm glad it was able to get you out of homelessness. I already don't buy anything that's not absolutely necessary (basically good, bills, gas), the problem I seem to have is that there's not really much left over to save up, typically I've got less than $100 in my bank after my bills are paid. Although I'm very grateful that I'm able to take care of those basic needs
I wish you guys the best. I was laid off when I was almost three months pregnant. It was a rough time. But please allow her to be sad for while. It's not easy for anyone
I get incredibly nervous when applying for jobs. Its seems genetically unstoppable but manageable. To think of all the ghost-job worry energy I have absolutely wasted my life on really pisses me off. I think ive just had a paradigm shift.
I thought it was just me. I think its the added thought of doing something that literally has no benefit. So yeah.This is like the worst news ever lol.
Honestly this makes me feel a lot better about how much difficulty I'm having finding a job. I was starting to think there was something super wrong with me - but even that didn't quite make sense since I wasn't even getting a call or interview, just submitting resume and cover letter. But people keep harping on how many jobs there are available right now, especially remote jobs and how you must be a failure or not really trying/making excuses if you can't find one 'in this economy'. But all the remote jobs seem to just not be real.
The job market right now is ASS! Don't listen to those "nobody wants to work" parrots. They don't know what they're talking about. It is ridiculously difficult to get a decent job nowadays
I have seen ghost job listings online for a long time now, but I feel like it is a lot more prevalent now in the past 2 years. It really is sickening and despicable.
Because we’re done being treated like slaves were people this is not ancient Egypt, where you can treat us like slaves and pay us less than a liveable amount And it’s usually a lot of these people who treat their employees like sleeves are raking in all of the money not even using any of it to keep their sleeves happy like all they need to do is bend it on a $40 pizza party once a year and it will literally prevent a revolution And even then we live in a world where we cannot revolt against our slaveowners because we can leave but we can’t leave. A lot of people are tied down to the jobs that they have one because seniority has made it, so that’s a liveable wage to know where else pays the same And if it does, it’s part time work, and the hours don’t make up enough Like a lot of people are just fed up with work and they don’t wanna work for somebody That isn’t going to respect the time in these major conglomerates do not respect their time did major companies do not respect us as individuals because they don’t even wanna pay us a fucking liveable wage You asked for a cost of living adjustment what is a major company? Do they fire you? For threatening to start a union
What I absolutely, utterly hate, are ads for programming courses disguised as job post ads "Programmers wanted", etc. There's a special place in hell for the people who do this
There are ads like that for the trades. "Apply for truck driving jobs...(in small print)Employee paid training required" or "Plumbers wanted...(in small print)Must pay for internship and training". And yes, they put them in the Jobs Wanted section.
I had this happen applying to Starbucks. Even had an interview and was told I'd have a followup. Called two weeks later to find out what's up and they told me that the position wasn't that chick that would leave an open spot, decided to stay. Didn't think anyone needed to make contact and thought ghosting me would give me a hint. Real professional.
This should be considered fraud and those companies should be fined at least - if not then employees should be totally fine to lie on their resumes or submit false competitor resumes, same thing on the opposite coin.
it is fraud, the law just hasnt caught up yet. and companies are lying to investors saying "look at our growth! we are always hiring!" in reality the lying to investors issue will get handled long before the issue of lying to the unemployed folk
I got pissed off at having my time wasted and made a fake resume with a bunch of bs. I have 15+ years in React and developed the entire Alexa eco system and am currently the Chief Executive Software Engineer Manager Assistant Associate Intern for Jeff Bezos where I’m so loyal, I refuse my paychecks so Bezos can buy more yachts for his ever growing fleet. Yup, I put that in my fake resume.
I’m so tired of being unemployed, I’ve been just submitting and applying for months. 700+ and like 5 responses and 2 interviews that went belly up, I hate how we do business in America. Edit: a lot of peoples replies really show that they don’t know what it’s like at the very bottom of the economic ladder.
I read a book called what "color is your parachute". It highlights that most jobs are placed by someone the applicant knows. Networking seems to be the viable alternative to these ghost jobs.
@@Mike-sj9si the only way is nepotism. Legit. You don't get a job worth anything by just applying to an opening. You have to know someone. Networking is everything.
Companies have been doing this since Bush was in the White House. I can tell they were doing this over 10 years ago because I would apply to a job that I had the qualifications for and 3 months later get a generic rejection notice, but yet the same job ad remained open on the company website for over a year.
@@ChemistTea It does take time but it is worth it. I got laid off and because I have conversations ongoing nearly all the time I was able to increase my wage by 50%, start the next job in 4 weeks, and use my severance money to buy a new car. If you are prepared for it, getting laid off can be an income surge (although still stressful, things don't always line up).
@@ChemistTea One advantage to this strategy is that you don't get caught out if you need to find a new job. If you poke around you'll see plenty of people on places like reddit saying they just got laid off after several years, they don't have an up to date resume, don't know what works on a resume, and don't know how to do the basics of interviewing. If you're always looking then you'll always have decent interviewing skills and will know what kind of jobs are out there.
@@buxton5165 I definitely agree that it's good to be prepared. I suppose a lot here depends on the job. No worries on my end, and I support other people keeping their resume and skills up to date. It's definitely good to have some level of readiness, even if it's not constantly interviewing. In some careers, interviewing is like having another job lol
@@ChemistTea It doesn't take a lot of time. And you'll get many times over what you put into making sure you have a competitive job. Everyone should be doing this.
Wow, SOOOO spot on correct for hospitals on the west coast. Providence Health is super shady…posting job openings that have already been filled internally. Providence Health is legally”a non profit hospital”, but their #1 focus is real estate, NOT patient safety. They are corporate landlords. Would love to see their shady side exposed. HQ is Renton, WA
Thank the bill that scummy politicians wrote and passed in 90's thereabouts: Corporations as "Person" or some such crap. Ralph Nader wrote a book on it in '97 ish. Excellent revelations.
Glad to see some of the mainstream adopt a anti-corpo stance lately. I am still a capitalist per se, but that is one of the few lessons I learned from my punk friends back in the 2010s and I don't regret it till this day.
@@gobbo1917 when you say: “I’m a capitalist,” what does that mean? Do you own the means of production? I doubt it. You aren’t actually a capitalist. You simply believe capitalism can be virtuous. So do I. Capitalism doesn’t need to be worshiped. It needs to be saved by being regulated-like it used to be in the USA from the 30s through the 70s.
I went in and interviewed for a job that didn't exist. They said, "We don't have anything at the moment, but we'll keep your application for a few months if something opens up."
I would have told them why are you wasting my time? I could be interviewing somewhere that actually has something open instead of being here. These companies need to be told off they are too used to employees and potential employees kissing their ass.
I once worked for a well-known company. My team is running extremely short of people and everyone on the team was stretched as much as they can (long, stressful hours, evening/weekend work etc). We tried to communicate with the managers, what we were told was “we are hiring new people and things will be better once you have more people in the team”. But in reality, they made us work like that for several years until more people quitted. Eventually we got one new hire, not very qualified or even enthusiastic about the job, after 2 more people left. Well, that’s how an open requisition could “keep your employees motivated“.
And this is exactly why employees should band together and work slow enough to motivate the employer to hire enough people. This happened at my last job, the employer lost 2 people but the team worked about as hard as possible but the team was left to suffered and hours were maintained. No one did unpaid ot and eventually the bosses introduced 2 more people to the team.
I once had a manager (two levels above my position) who told me off for working too much overtime. Said he can't really watch all the team all day long. All he gets is indirect feedback, and as longs as that feedback is "the work gets done" he has a hard time arguing for more positions with HIS boss. He pretty openly asked me to stick to my eight hours and make sure that my minions do the same thing, plus keeping it very honest with my direct managers so he would get the kind of realistic feedback he needed to make sensible staffing plans. It goes both ways.
Companies that are that badly managed need to go bankrupt so that their staff can be freed up for more productive work elsewhere. Unfortunately so many politicians like to "support small business" with massive subsidies that keep them from dying.
I don't know if it's still happening but during the pandemic, companies were getting significant govt grants and tax breaks for claiming they were understaffed and lost too many employees due to covid, ghost posts were a part of the process to show that they were actively "hiring" and thus eligible for extra funding. I've also seen a lot of smaller recruiting firms that appear to be little more than data banks for mining personal information - so it helps to be careful about which personal information you share on your resumes (address, DOB, phone numbers, emails asking for last 4 SSN, etc.)
They've been a part of the market forever. Every time I've went job hunting I found out in many cases the job was filled a year ago, or they are just gaming the government somehow.
This isn't accurate. It's a relatively new phenomenon that arose in the dotcom boom and got worse as spam became an arms race. 30 years ago, it wasn't even worth the bandwidth or phone lines to post fake want ads. Now machines and dumb statisticians can make use of infinitely many fake ads and applicants.
Yeah, that's another one - they post a job, identify 1000 candidates that they call "unsuitable", and then use that to go to the government to apply for a dozen visas so they can bring over Indians to work as programmers for minimum wage 80 hours a week.
Moved to a different state recently so I was applying to jobs like crazy. A big craft store said they were hiring not only as an associate but in custon framing which I had experience in so I applied bc I wanted something similar to my old job. And waited a week and finally called the manager and she said they weren't hiring but they could call me back in 6 months!! 6 months!! Bitch I will have an actual job by then. Even 2 weeks after calling them they kept reposting the same fucking listing on multiple sites. It was so fucking infuriating seeing that listing knowing it was practically fake.
It would be cool if people could keep a running list of places they applied and never heard back and share the list as it grows. Kinda gang up on companies that do this and avoid them like the plague
I already began writing my list while applying for each job. I write down the name of company, time, date, and type of job. I keep this information in my journal. Once I click on the submit button to submit my application I take a picture on my i-phone and have as a copy for my records. All jobs that I applied to were on Indeed, and some on the company's website. Be careful with the company's website...they end up changing the date of the job posting so that it appears current when, in actuality, they have already listed the same job over 30 days ago. A slick move, but I caught onto it rather quickly.
We need to start pushing IRS to enforce penalties to employers who don't issue 1099's for independent contractors to those applicants for the work completed. They are essentially buying the labor as a service, so they owe a liability to the contractor. You have to hold them accountable to stop bad behavior in the job market.
Why? You don't know if those independent contractors are incorporated. If one is incorporated, there is no need to receive a 1099 MISC, etc. Do you issue a 1099 MISC when you make a purchase at Walmart? Also, WTF do you want to empower the Infernal Revenue Agency more than it already is? This is the same rationale that the 4/20 crowd likes to use when they promote decriminalization, "See, if you decriminalize it and tax it it works out for everyone involved."
@@TDDMS An individual can separately receive a 1099 for work performed for another entity. What you're refering to matters if the employer hired the services of a business such as an S corp. We're not talking about paying the corp but the individual seperately. And if they're not issuing the 1099, then they should receive the same penalties as usual. Also we're talking about nonemployee comp.
@@TDDMS the IRS already has the power to enforce proof of income. We're not adding any power to IRS, we would only be protecting employees or potential employees from loophole wage theft practices.
@@voidless1 Independent contractors aren't employees. Employees are w2's. I've been an IC for half my career. If the work is less than 600 they often don't report it. However, if it's over that you can get your 1099 online or from a library and fill it out. I looked up my employers tax ID online once and asked them for it point blank otherwise. If you turn in your 1099 and they don't report it than they CAN get in trouble.
@@xejelah The purpose of a 1099-MISC or NEC is to pay nonemployees. Often the work performed by candidates has equivalent reasonable salary or hourly compensation attached. The employer should still pay them especially if the amount of work is valued at over $600.
I had an exit interview in early December when I quit my last job. I told the HR dude "why aren't you hiring anyone?? I saw all the postings for this position on LinkedIn. Why aren't they interviewing or hiring anyone?" He just, agreed.
This happens a lot in the arts, in the UK. Grants, commissions, artist's residencies are funded from public money and diverted directly into the pockets of "friends". It's a problem with subsidies for Film and animation too. Many applications and proposals are submitted digitally. These industries aren't gathering data. They don't even bother with opening the files to read them.
The agencies aren't just filling their books, they're looking for contact details for your references, so they can call managers directly to sell their services.
@@se2664 Oh they do though, they put them into their system as potential leads and then your manager starts getting phone calls, usually using your name to get past their defences, or by saying "we've heard there may be an opening for YYZ position", and if you're the only person doing that job then they'll know it's you that's thinking of leaving, and i've seen plenty of people get sacked for many different made up reasons whilst they were looking for other jobs.
@@Strider9655 That's why you never list anyone in your current company as a reference when looking for a job. But I think what you're saying is that the recruiter is circumventing that, and contacting your current employer anyway to try to fill an "opening" that they know will be coming, without helping you on your job search. Pretty sleazy, but not surprising for recruiters.
@@Seattle-2017 in that case what they do is contact you with a great but fake job opening and say that the fictional employer needs references up front, then you basically never hear from them again
Thanks for covering this, supper frustrating to realize that A) Most jobs that are posted are in already filled by someone who networked in (where do peopel think the %50 of all jobs are filled by networking number came from?), or B) don't exist at all. Don't let anchoring get you down.
Funny thing, I never thought I was any good at networking, but almost all of my jobs have come from knowing people. My current employer hired me back after I left for a number of years. Why? Because I "accidentally" helped them land a multi-million dollar contract deal when I hired some of their (our) consultants and my Director liked them. My Director then moved on to another company and when they needed people, he already had a good idea where to go look for quality people. They ended up hiring everyone they could who was available. I never saw any of that largesse, but when I needed work in 2022, it was a slam dunk to go back there and work for them again.
This should be illegal. What if the unemployed person is using these “ghost jobs” as their required proof of searching for employment? In a way these companies are misleading the unemployment offices.
There isn’t any misleading going on. Think about the fact that you file your own taxes yet the IRS already has the complete information to do it themselves. Unemployment offices know very well what is going on. Think about how they may benefit from this knowledge.
One more reason: they are trying to market training to workers. I once applied to a warehouse job despite having a technical degree and background. Because I couldn't find anything else better. I got a call immediately. The guy on the phone asks if I've tried training for a technical field? When I told him my hefty qualifications already in tech, he hung up on me.
I've stopped applying for jobs that were posted more than a week ago. I can't believe how much of my time I wasted before. At least I got a sabbatical out of it.
I called out a recruitment agent for advertising a job they did not have. I went to the interview and they offered something not even slightly similar. I told them off and walked out.
This recently happened to my husband. 6’4 Marine with a lot of experience and qualifications for security work. Sent in an application and resume to a place and they called him back for a housekeeping position that paid a lot less.
It also works great as "advertisement" for the company! Whenever it's been two months since I applied for a job and I haven't even gotten an automated email back, that company goes on my no-buy list. Post a scammy job listing, get labelled a scammy company; simple.
Contracting isn’t much better. I’m pretty sure there are a lot of _”ghost contracts”_ as well. These companies need to be subject to federal forensic audits. If we had a government that actually cared, that is…😕
Easier said than done. The size, reach, and negotiating power of extremely large businesses and corporations especially...means the ability to quickly and efficiently find the customers faster and in much larger volume...that will easily eclipse the actions of any one individual _'mom and & pop"_ styled operation. Which is why Walmart has been able to put out of business most generic small business shops where-ever they operated. Typically, only other chain stores and perhaps boutique stores selling to a niche customer-base...tends to fare somewhat better in said corporate-dominated environment.
in Portugal i have a friend that is a Talent Aquisition and she told me the last place she worked she had to be on "meetings" with people just to have a job , so they would just waste candidates time with non offers , ending with "we will see if you fit in any position we have available"
This is bang on. It's just an excuse for middle managers to exist. They artificially make their plate look big by scheduling interviews but never hiring for a job that exists.
Yes so true. Im a construction estimator. And my current employer asked for a full estimate which usually takes weeks. My recruiter knocked sense into the client and they finally reduced to me simply explaining the process which took like 30min to review and 15min to present.
Thanks for putting a name on what I know is going on. I'm a senior tech writer in pharma & typically work contract, which means I'm basically a professional job seeker. While most jobs come to me at this point in my career, I still look around when a contract is ending. If a role catches my eye & it's TTLY aligned with what I'm looking for, I'll shoot out a resume. Much of the time, if I'm early, I'll get called back. Other times I won't, but then I'll see that role post again - over & over & over again. For weeks sometimes months. I'm like, ok wtf. I KNOW you have a shit ton of resumes. What is going on? Like seriously. Well, now I know. F**kers. Thank you.
This is exactly why I use staffing and headhunter services. The employer has to pay them and you, there's vetting and field/career/preference matching, you don't have to waste your time filling out hundreds of pointless applications on badly designed websites. And if the endpoint employer tries to get you to be a "permanent temp" you can report them for breach of contract.
I noticed this 20 years ago. I can only imagine that it is much worse now. Government jobs have to be made public to show that they are not just hiring from within. Which is the case most of the time.
Possible technique: Severely buff your resume on the fake job, when a real job approaches you from that resume, take the job and hold it for as long as you can.
I've always done, within reason. Things I could prove I could do, many self thought things I knew and had experience in and knew I could do as well or better than those that learnt it from scratch at college or some other formal study. The job market, even on countries with actual benefits, is still shit and it's made to benefit the employer.
Always log your achievement or proof of work on a project, especially where high demand skills were used. Be mindful of not breaking some company intellectual property rule. Openly that is. Keep it in your personal drive. That beats having a formal qualification. Of course don't be a moron and blab about it to your company.
I'm not american but 6-8 years ago I was asked by my boss to fill out a job add for my position. I thought I was getting fired but it turns out that they were helping a political party show that there were lots of available jobs, that way they could justify an increase in immigration.
Gonna have to agree with the others, this phenomenon is as old as dancing baby gifs on emails. Though I really noticed the uptick about five years ago as automated hiring processes soared from mere filters to nearly the entire process of replacing HR and hiring staff.
Oh, it's even older than that. Often it involves getting government money for some unknown reason that most of us can't figure out. A lot of that went on when businesses were getting PPP money. They pretend they can't find employees and somehow get money for this. There's always some sort of scam like that. Goes back at least to the '80s and probably even longer.
I noticed this during the 2008 recession... It happens more in tech fields. It also helps companies keep clients to keep up the appearance so the client won't leave them for a bigger firm.
I was at a job hiring help firm. Small town. Guy was good. Had numbers for any job posted. But everything was interestingly filled or I wasnt the right fit. So desperate took a job posted 1 hour ago. Called. Already filled. Thats not possible, but he finally said its normal to hire in house or from a pre selected individual, but in some way thats not legal. So they advertise a job to officially hire the person.
So freaking true! I'm so sick of those not seeking work always claiming that so and so is hiring... when they clearly aren't to those who are looking for work know.
if you do, I guarantee you it will work against the workers. yes, they may make something like posting fake jobs illegal, but it will be easy to get around it, and the legislation will also include something that ties down employees to companies even more than they do now. The system already treats people like slaves. "Does your employer offer insurance?" Why is my employer the owner of whether and what kind of insurance I can get? How did they get in between me and my health insurance on government forms?
@@itoibo4208 the rest of the developed world begs to differ. It's not hypothetical. There's studies and data and hell if you even just talk to people from another developed who don't live here while they also may have issues they don't have such issues like ours. Even 3rd world countries in some cases have it better regarding worker protection and rights
I had that situation happen to me at a Teaching Assistant position offered at a local school. It also happened with not 1, but 2 subbing positions. These employers should be fined $1000 every time they pull some shit like that and it should go straight to the applicant.
Schools are terrible for this, I work in one too and the amount of pre-filled jobs, managers hiring friends from other teaching jobs, fake jobs to make it look like staffing requirements are being met etc etc is horrendous
@@Maria7Maria I want to be in public education, but I am not going to beg. They wanna play the games, they can just bitch about labor shortages like they always do
A really popular coffee shop in our area advertized that they were looking for servers with little to no experience and a friend of mine who really needed the money for her and her mom, applied and got the job. However, they told her there would be a trial period of one month where she wouldn't get paid but she would need to come in and she could keep the tips (where I live tipping is not mandatory so if she got any tips they definitely weren't enough). When the month was up they let her go and kept hiring newbies and keeping them as free labor. I never went to that place again, absolute scumbags.
There’s a company here in Calgary, AB that has for years had a junior posting for a winforms position. Anyone truly junior would be committing career suicide to take this. On the other hand, I exceed all the qualifications, by a factor of ten or more, because I’m not a junior. However, I don’t need to make a lot, and don’t mind the idea of working the rest of me career on legacy code. I’ve applied to this job multiple times. Never got a call. I know to call this a ghost job now.
I ran into one of these about 15 years ago when I applied to a design job for a local firm, showed up, went through the interview and was told at the end that the original posting was a "fishing expedition" and that they didn't have any faith they would get anyone qualified in the local area. So despite showing up with the required skills and a portfolio, I was never even considered for hiring.
That description sounds like they had an actual need, and would have hired if they found someone qualified; they just knowingly posted the job in an area where no one was qualified? That sounds less bad than an actual ghost job.
@@Tzizenorec I'm sure it sounds less bad, but it resembles a ghost job in that they had no intention of hiring someone from the area. Additional details: They needed someone with a print / web design & development background and then they wanted to dramatically underpay that person to do a lot of heavy lifting for their firm. Also, I was a not a beautiful woman and I think that hurt my chances massively in this situation based on my read of the owner and the office setup he had. They never actually hired someone for the position, they instead hired a coordinator to work with out of town firms to handle their web design. So yeah, it's loose, but I consider it a ghost job because unless someone was willing to degrade themselves, nobody was going to get that job.
I am pretty confident that "ghost jobs" are S.O.P. for many of the less-ethical retailers. I worked in a store where we were told that the "Now Hiring" sign was both required by policy and that actual positions that may be open were in the distribution center. They certainly weren't in our store, where any diminished revenue was answered with cuts to an already inadequate payroll EVEN WHEN they knew it was shoplifting by "customers."
Thanks for watching - tried to keep it simple and to the point.
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Can you please do a reaction video on your take to Patrick Bet David recent video "Employee Leverage Is Gone"?
um. This has been a problem for the last decade. Where have you been?
When you apply for a job and 4 months later they tell you they didn't pick you...
@@Commiehunter12 Yes - I know that, but alot of other people are in the dark about it.
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Another reason for “ghost jobs” they already promised the job to one of their buddies or family members but they need to hide the obvious nepotism.
Yeah or an internal person that wants to try out a new position.
i see that at my current job, as an executive admin, i filter resumes and meetings and interviews, 5 years of doing this, let me tell you, even before job get posted, they already knew who they gonna hire but still ended up interviewing 5 other candidates. I want to kill myself each time i have to call and arrange an interview with those candidates that im 100% not getting this job, no matter what, and i see how hard they have worked on their cover letters and super well dressed for the interview. So many times i wanted to just go ahead and tell those poor souls that go home, you are just wasting your time here.
This happens at my place too and it’s a school of all things. Every time they want to hire a new teacher, one of the headmistresses arranges it so that it’s one of her buddies from her old school. Staff favourites can also invite their friends and family to apply for other roles. They only hire outside of that when they’re desperate (which on reflection is how I got in 😂). It makes for such a toxic gossipy cliquey environment and it’s sad seeing them literally laugh at the resumes of qualified teachers who want a chance at a job
Another possibility: collecting resumes and applications and using that as an ongoing threat of instant replacement against employees, to keep them compliant.
Yes, this is huge. I remember applying for a company where I knew a few people who worked there. I also knew a few of the people who were applying. Long story short, none of us who applied got the jobs and the people I knew who worked there straight up told me they didn't hire anyone new. They just moved people around and gave the employees more responsibility.
This is why people lie on their applications and resumes. If companies just flat lie to us like that, why can’t we do it to them
Be honest and stay unemployed lmao it's utter bullshit!
Lied my way into every job I've gotten. This is the job market boomers wanted, so that's what they get.
@@shadow7988 Damn I feel you homie. xD
You hurt yourself and the company by lying to them, not to mention you hurt those who are more capable and have more integrity. In the end everyone is worse off, including you. You will eventually understand that.
@@SRose-vp6ew Not necessarily, if you know you can do the job and you lie about some bs so you can get the job you did what you had to do to get there, these same people could turn to crime instead out of desperation.
A lot of jobs have stupid requirements that really doesn't matter at all to the job you're supposed to be doing, it's simply a case of elitism, wanting people who are way overqualified to do basic tasks.
I once applied on Craigslist for a restaurant that had recently opened, got a call back quickly and they asked me to come in on Saturday for training. I was told training wasn't paid which should have been a red flag and I believe is illegal where I live but whatever, I had a job. Went in Saturday evening, had a server show me where everything was and I just shadowed and helped her out for the night. Waitress shared some of her tips with me and I went home at the end of the shift. The owner/manager dipped early in the night so I called the next day to find out... do I have a job? Is there a schedule? but they ghosted me. Saw the same ad up for months afterward until someone posted a "WARNING don't work for (restaurant)" listing explaining how the owners did this to every applicant just to get free labor on busy nights when their few (presumably actually paid) employees were swamped. Pretty devious.
smash the place up!
This should be reported to your state's department of labor.
That’s some ugly shit, man!
Wow 😮 they are going to hell for sure. What a bunch of scum bags
@@theresa78201 Stuff like this happens because a red state DOL won't do anything
I noticed this over 10 years ago... applied for thousands of jobs and never heard anything back, even though I was more than qualified. It's extremely demoralizing and should be illegal.
Yeah, more government is clearly the solution to any problem in the job market. 😫🤦♂
@@worldhello1234 Ok, boomer.
@@worldhello1234 Ask any other country with actual working laws. The US isn't just the only developed nation without any real worker protections and the option for free healthcare, it's one of the few FULL STOP. Many developing nations actually have these things.
well we know how much our politicians protect us (right or left)
I think it is the government faking unemployment rate. They post jobs that don;t exist meaning the economy is doing great
Should be against the law to waste people's time. Especially vulnerable unemployed people.
Yes but they would just adopt a Publisher's Clearing House model or something where they hire one person a year from their hundreds of fake job postings to feign legitimacy.
Since when is it someone else's responsibility to not waste your time or someone wasting his time with you because it always goes both ways?
Waste their time then
@@Dave102693 Seems kinda fruitless and counter productive when they are the less vulnerable party.
my dude theres soooooo many things that should be against the law that employers do. hell, many times they just do illegal shit and get away with it
My favorite ones are the job postings that are so specific in the requirements that the only person qualified for the job is the last person who had it.
Bonus points for having a time requirement in a tool that doesn't exist for that amount of time.
@@hellboy19991 Required: 8 years of experience with ChatGPT-4.
Or 5 pages of requirements that would actually mean the combined effort of five different departments 😂
Senior this or that, ten years experience in this leading big implementations. Then the job pays $60k in Chicago 😅
Exactly-when companies request in a job description that one must be an expert in a multitude of softwares no one has ever heard of along w/a zillion other of duties...huh???
Its so insufferable to hear my parents and other older people say "no one wants to work anymore" and "everywhere's hiring" when ive applied to dozens and dozens of jobs and cant get a call back from a single one
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"dead end jobs" are hiring like crazy.
PS: dead-end jobs don't exist, only careers you give up on... Every company has a CEO, and everyone wants to promote from within (or they say they do) because turnover is expensive.
@@randomuserame nah they don’t care about promoting from within. They make the job so easy that they don’t have to value experience skill and knowledge. That’s why people complain so much about the help at places like big box hardware stores. It’s their business strategy to have high turnover and keep wages low because wages are the biggest expense of most retailers. (Because manufacturing is done at slave wages overseas).
skilled labor or trade skills are extremely lucretive. just no one wants to do them. you want a good job look into welding or electrician. my plumber buddy made about 20-30k a month. he took the "emergency" jobs for companies. fucken bastard still owes me 20 bucks though.
@@randomuserame LOL people quit because there’s no path to promotion. That’s why they’re called dead end jobs. My fiance has been an entry level marketer for 5 years and she makes millions for her company, hits all her goals and quotas and they keep telling her she’s too valuable to promote. She complained to HR and they gave her a $10k raise but still refused to promote.
That’s normal now. Everyone she works with is in the same position. You’re just ignorant of reality.
Make sure u actually call them. So many of my freeloading friends apply for jobs and never follow through. Its how they weed out worthless pukes. If you dont even call about your app why would they hire you?? Not saying u didnt just make sure u do dont waste your time twiddling your thumbs beating your meat and watching netfix.
If you are required to do a code test, ALWAYS include a copyright statement in the code you submit.
A hidden self destruct works just as well if you can't afford lawyers.
I was taught to do this for any code I write in the very first CS class I took in college.
Copyright is automatic. But also, don't work for free in the first place.
@candice : No, it's not "automatic". Lmao, if you can prove you wrote the code, it isn't legally yours.
Also, we're not talking about free labor here. Most people have to do coding interviews just to get the job.
*can't
With rising AI models, they should expect a lot of 'ghost candidates', and they have no one to blame but themselves
Unlikely.
Rich capitalists hold all the power. They'll simply bribe your government officials to require special licenses to operate AI.
Business will be able to create ghost job listings because "it's a private business, it can do what it wants."
You, on the other hand, will go to jail.
You gave me a good idea
I have mixed feelings about this. One the one hand, they deserve it. On the other hand, it's just some hr employees that will dealing with it. On the other hand, I've talked to way too many department managers that clearly wanted to hire me as they were desperate for some help only to have HR wait around with their thumb up their ass for days and weeks just to eventually turn me down and tell the manager to just continue to deal with the staff shortage.
Ohhh sounds fun. Imagine if everyone participated to force them into good old face to face interviews again.
Don't they already get those?? Am I the only one who applies to jobs I don't think I'll take??
This has been going on for YEARS. I have confronted more than one hiring manager about this. They literally put up a job to get applicants IN CASE they have an opening in the future and need it filled quickly. Spending hours applying for jobs that don't exist. They also refuse to TRAIN people for specialty jobs and get upset nobody is applying that know everything.
And then when they DO get around to calling you back, you already have a job and they act huffy. It's almost funny!
Do NOT get pregnant or married now. We are entering the GREATEST DEPRESSION where the starvation of the Great Depression 1930s will look like luxury times.
I first experience this just over 20 years ago and it was outstandingly frustrating, and I think deceitful. I went through two or three interviews and did very well and then the hiring manager eventually told me that they were basically waiting for the contract to come through so they can hire people. I was never told this prior.
This is also why I put minimal effort into my job applications. I have a generic résumé with little interest in crafting a cover letter.
On Indeed and LinkedIn, I go for the “Easy Apply.” Why waste more time to go through the employer’s website?
I once interviewed for a manager job which included upgrading their office IT. They asked some of the things I'd do. So of course I gave an example. Next thing I know they decide to "not fill this position at this time." That's when I realized they used the interviews as free consultations.
Damn.
Fuck.
Rules for Consulting (Or being probed):
*Until you get paid...*
Show them the problem
Or give them the solution.
*Never both.* And if you give the solution, give only 1 solution of many problems, or half of the solution to multiple problems.
Always give a "reasonably insane" number if they're asking "pick your brain" questions. This is based on the revenue/value of the company. Generally, not more than 10% of the company's total value/revenue. Company-wide, not just the department that's calling you.
Eg: "I understand that you're in a tough position and you need to find solutions fast in order to maximize profits. I'm absolutely willing to contribute significantly to Project X, and i'm looking forward to providing significant value for [the company]. For projects like this, my initial consultation is 500,000.00 USD, with half paid up front. At my expertise level, I like to make sure the project isn't too far below my expertise level, or that the compensation makes it worth my opportunity cost. In my exp, projects like this usually take [X time] I'd be thrilled to arrange an ongoing investment of 75k [at some interval] to implement solutions.
MOST people calling you can't hang up fast enough. The ones that don't... congrats, you might have a new client. Hope you know your stuff.
Yep. I made it to a third interview with a tech outfit, that ended up being a technical interview where I told them how to fix their stack of Cisco switches. Never heard from them again. Then I found out the city the outfit was located was going to sue the company, he was even scamming the government.
@@randomuserame That’s assuming they only have one person to ask and they’re not just going to move onto the next person.
Just did 5 interviews with a company in person. The interviews were each 1-2 hrs a piece. Even as far as meeting CEO and the team. Had to prepare presentations and lots of pre interview work. I didnt land the job and said my skills weren't up to par. This is the first time I've heard this, not to mention the team was blown away with my portfolio in person. They were so blown away, they were asking me for advice on current things they were facing.
I was devastated to not land the job, came onto hard times from a layoff and this one felt like the "one". My friend said it's probably a ghost job since their last message said "we will contact you as soon as a position opens".
Thank you for posting this. The timing is wild.
They probably stole your presentation ideas. Programmers are asked to submit code for job consideration and a lot of "hiring" managers just steal the code to adopt as his own.
I can say the same here in brazil.
Like the above poster said, when they ask you to do a presentation on a solution for a current issue they’re facing, often there’s no job and they’re doing it to get your work for free. Like a consultant, but they have 5 qualified people (‘job applicants’) give them a different perspective for free by dangling a job in front of them.
Just for clarification, the presentations are all around portfolio work. They can steal away since its all stuff i have on my website.
Just the fact it wasnt a standard heres my portfolio type presentation. It was more of "show us your portfolio in a ppt format, but also show us your process and how you work through solutuons". I focused heavily on showing the end product but never going to in depth about technique. Otherwise they will just get the benefit of free education and industry techniques.
I will say I've seen similar companies that ask for an art test and that is an immediate red flag. It was just an unusual way to present and the weirder thing was that they didnt even have their own laptops or projectors, so i had to being a laptop which is unconventional in every way.
They stole your work. I am so sorry they did this to you. I'm livid for you.
So when employees do this, it's "rage applying", but when employers do it, it's all ok?
One rule for thee.
what is rage applying
@@TheOriginalCameron Apparently "rage-applying" is when you're mad at your boss so in the heat of the moment, you go apply for a bunch of other jobs. It sort of expresses the same emotion as quitting, but you don't lose your source of income.
It looks to me like it isn't considered a bad thing at all.
@@Tzizenorec it really isn’t a bad idea lol
@@Tzizenorec Dissatisfaction applying is something different, though, right? Applying for another job because you're angry/dissatisfied with your current employment/employer seems perfectly reasonable to me.
You know what I hate? Applying for a job on indeed that says it’s located in your area, get an interview and then you find out that it’s actually a staffing agency and they don’t actually have that position available in my area…even though it said the job was in my area in the listing
Ikr?!
Applied for one of those. I didn’t realize it was a staffing agency. They couldn’t tell me anything.
This !!! I had one bring me in to fill out all paperwork & drug test. then called me back a day later saying they only had a totally different position available 😒
@@jackr2287 I had that happen to me I was rage applying to jobs like 7 years ago. Got a call setup an interview which was over skype. I thought was weird since it was well before web internviews were common. Found out it was staffing for a job in my area but Id work for them. I ended up taking the job because I wanted out of that other job. Ill never work for these types of companies again. 0 room for improvment or payraises but it did open the door to the job I am currently at.
I have staffing firms still putting in my resume from 15 years ago. Oh the fun of having some rando call me up saying "I got your resume from X-fly-by-night-staffing firm and I would like to talk to you about an engineering position in some-fly-over-city-usa" only to have to tell them I am a Sr Director of Engineering at X-very-large-firm-Silicon-Valley
We own a small mom and pop company, we actually had a job posted on an online board that we didn’t post. We weren’t hiring, had never used any job board or other online forum to post a job, but suddenly we were getting calls from applicants inquiring about a job at our shop. We asked them to report the posting as fake on the job board and I emailed the online job board website and made a complaint.
I feel like there's also a strategy using ghost jobs in order to have it count as an attempt to hire so they can get tax breaks or get access to immigrant vouchers so they can pay them cheaper.
There’s a big production plant here that runs ads non stop everywhere, looking to hire immediately, 20 vacancies, full time year round, top wages blah blah blah, they don’t hire anyone that applies, they slowly go rid of the workers they had and now they got half of Mexico in there, we used to work on their trucks and buses but after that we stopped
@@IDT69 That sounds like Mountaire Farms.
Dafuq is an "immigrant voucher"?
@@helmholtzthemulewatson4763 It's basically when a company signals to the government that they cannot find a worker in the US and so the US issues something akin to a green card so that they can hire someone outside the US
A big company where I live does exactly that. They got busted a decade ago for having a ton of workers with no or fake work green cards and now they have actual banners out in front of their buildings promising starting pay and bennifets. The ads have been up for years. Somehow the work still gets done?
Its also used as justification for hiring visa workers. "We advertised for 2 years and nobody qualified applied" when they are putting wages no reasonable person would work for.
That sounds like Canada in a nutshell
it's gotten so bad that we can barely even find africans willing to move here and work our fast food windows anymore
This is exactly why so many job postings have ridiculous and impractical requirements (eg requiring a Ph.D, 15 years experience, knowledge of every software released in the last 10 years, etc for a receptionist position). In order to gain approval to hire workers overseas, companies have to be able to prove they tried to hire someone from the US and that there were no qualified candidates.
I had a potential job years ago where the company flew me out to Denver to discuss their "opening". I spent the day meeting their staff, signing an NDA, and looking at their project effort. At one point they mentioned that they had an architectural issue that had been preventing them from expanding into another market. Since it was an area of expertise I had, I immediately recognized the issue and explained to their SME how the issue could be resolved. They were very excited and by the end of the day, they had a functional prototype. I thought I had the job, but the next day they told me they no longer needed to fill the position and put me on a plane back home. Not everyone who has an "opening", wants to hire you...
Lmao so they used you . And you let it happen? Dumbbbb
Used you!! Sorry
Sorry that happened to you Raymond. Hopefully people will see this as a lesson not to offer a company help especially if they haven't hired you yet.
The amount of remote jobs I applied to with NO response is ridiculous and the amount of time I spent trying to adapt my resume and cover letters for each position is even more ridiculous
I don't even want to know how many hours I wasted doing that crap 😓
how tf do we make money lol
I keep getting mails from people on Indeed and other online job boards saying they saw my resume and think I'm a great fit for their remote purchasing manager position. It feels too good to be true (I also have no experience in purchasing or managing), and ignore them.
@@Musical_Pigeon Good idea to ignore them. They're probably MLM pitches. That's 'remote purchasing manager' sounds exactly like what an MLM would call their downlines to make them think they're not downlines.
@@Musical_PigeonYeah, that sounds a lot like pyramid schemes. Or, like the other comment said, MLM or multi level marketing as they changed the name to not sound as bad. It's the same thing though.
Kmart and Sears had “Now Hiring “ signs up even though the stores were dead and losing $$$. It was to give customers the impression that the business was fine but they actually weren’t hiring at all
"Now Firing"
Every store is like that. My local Walmart has had Now Hiring signs ever since the start of this pandemic. But EVERY TIME I go there, it’s super busy, lines are 20+ minutes wait, and there’s only 1 cashier working. Self checkout is swamped, and there’s no one manning Customer Service. I’m telling you, they are NOT hiring, instead they take your information and sell it or do wetf they do because corporate greed.
@@StishFicks Did you ask? It's possible they just have really shitty management increasing the turnover.
When my Kmart closed they were hiring for merch movers to put it into trucks
@Alex or it's both. My partner's work seems to somehow manage high turnover and intentional understaffing. I think the pandemic made a lot of companies realize they can pay 1 person to do the work of 3 for the same wage. Sure Corners are cut and customers are unhappy but they come back anyway, so who cares? Not like OSHA actually enforces the rules anymore anyway 🤷♀️
I noticed this over 8 years ago, when I was trying to find work fresh out of high school. SO many jobs that didn't exist. Also, so many entry level positions that asked for years of experience.
That's been my problem. Every entry level job in my field is demanding experience. I understand mid level and senior level positions, but entry level is supposed to be a beginner's job. How are people like us supposed to start out? I'm so close to just making up a fake internship just to get one of these companies to even look my direction.
It's all fun and games, until someone figures out how to identify ghost jobs, then shares that information with unemployed people who want to exploit the system. The only way problems get fixed are when they cost the government or a rich person money.
I like this idea. Find some hackers to control the corporations' websites too.
ChatGPT is getting scary good these days, maybe all it would take is flooding the fake jobs with artificial resumes.
Are you guys actual children?
@@BlueBeam10 you must be new here. Always has been
@@greglocker2124 I mean wtf :)). I though only old and fed up corporate people like me would hang in here, not 12 years old who never had to go through that shit...
It also gives an excuse to for management to shift the blame when angry customers complain about bad service. “We have all these positions posted, but no one wants to work anymore”
This happens at a certain retail place in a town near me. My sister worked retail nearby, and she KNEW they weren't really hiring. People would try to work there occasionally, but the place would cruelly rearrange their schedule and give people just under full time hours to stay cheap. Impossible to work for even when they did occasionally hire someone (rare).
To have that few hours you need two jobs, but to have two jobs you need stable hours!
My mother went into that store and some lady was ranting about how disorganized the store was
"we're sorry ma'am, we're really understaffed but we keep putting out applications! :("
"wow, I can't believe it what is WRONG with young people these days that no one is working?"
I waited tables at a tourist spot last summer and we had to write on the chalkboard everyday “Please be patient as we are understaffed.” That wasn’t true-we had a full crew-but it made the customers less pissy about the long waits. It made me feel gross.
Employers sure love to claim "no one wants to work".
John: that lame excuse is so insulting, isn't it? Mike Rowe is even joining the harpies on this. I hope he sees this channel. Great topic.....tell 'em to jam it....
Ive actually witnessed this at my own company, we had a hiring freeze for several months yet no job listings were removed.
I always thought most jobs postings are fake.
They just want your data to sell it to banks or others recruiters
its useful propaganda material to look like the unemployed need kicking for not filling the advertised vacancies where i live. the ghost jobs are compiled, as advertised, for govt data
I went to Barcelona for a job interview at a consulting firm. I commuted for 2 hours and spent 15€ on transport. At the interview, a young guy said they were "gathering potential candidates for a job that doesn't exist yet". This was not mentioned in the original ad.
Lawsuit it would be in 🇺🇸
Im sorry this happened to you. Did you request reimbursement for the 15€ spent on commute?
This should be illegal
I once spent $40 for a round trip Uber downtown for a position in a restaurant I’ve been to and even got a response about the position…it was shuttered and I was talking to a bot and the application never got taken down
I learned about this back in the 90's, when I was very young looking for my first "real" job. I gave out my contact information on fake job applications. No legitimate employer ever used it, but I had so much scammers blowing up my phone trying to sell me job finding services and technical courses. I'm like, this can't be a good business model to target unemployed broke people.
Kinda opportunistic.
@Y T Wierd indeed
Lmao, the grind never stops for scammers.
THey were trying to target desperate people
Actually it is. People with money may spend money without thinking about it and just be like well I’ll do my stocks while I wait for a job and they lose hundreds
I've seen so many jobs reposted over and over again whenever I was unemployed. I would apply to them, never receive an answer, but a few weeks later it would get reposted, and on some of them you could see that there were 1-2k applications; it made me wonder why they couldn't find someone fit for that role out of 1k+ applicants.
Probably a bad place to work. I applied to positions that readvertised for the past couple of years and went to the reviews on the company. They had 1-star reviews which explained it.
Holy shit, same! It made me suspicious, but I couldn't put my finger on what exactly was happening. Now I know 😅
Frs. I sometimes call or email the place immediately after applying…and they end up telling me that they ain’t hiring. 😒
Before I had my job of 13 years, I saw this shit all the time, the same job/position would be available for 6 or 12 months plus and never get filled. And we're only talking entry level or low skilled positions, surely it's not that hard to find someone with the qualifications to stack some shelves, fill out some reports and man a register.
@@UltimateGattai it makes me wonder how accurate governments report the growth of the job market. If they count these fake job postings, all those numbers that are presented every month might be less optimistic.
You said what everyone was thinking. Feels strange to have my suspicions confirmed, and extremely frustrated over the *hours* wasted on applying to jobs.
Ghost jobs should be illegal
Nah man. Money can be made. Charge the company more for the length of time up, put a fire on their angus
Data is needed for unemployment rates.
@@juanguzman8034 Every day people experience the problems first hand. It's the government that started this mess, and they're never going to fix the economy because they're the ones profiting and all they have to say is "ignore the fact that the working class has been stagnating, the country's GDP raised 2% because of the corporate monopoly profits, so clearly everything is great!"
Or have fun with it. A lot of them are easy to spot. I like to send in wild resumes and cover letters in the hope that it might actually make it through the filter software and land on someone's desk. As long as they have a sense of humor I'm sure they'll get an laugh from some of the crap I've written in there.
how would you go about that?
Yup I've experienced ghosting quite a bit and now I have to take a survival job. Lots of A-hole recruiters do this and it's just wasting everyones time. I had a few recruiters get mad at me for asking for $60k salary for a tech sales job. Some listings require a person to have mid level to senior level skills in the entry level category. Us jobseekers got to be cutthroat just like these employers are.
I've had them get huffy at me for asking $60k for software engineering positions, they're like "based on geography and your lack of experience you can get $40k because you live in a cheaper state and have no experience"
I completed a four year degree, in person, at an accredited university 🤔people around here can make about $40k doing unskilled labor and they don't have to be on call weekends for it
what the heck?
$60k seems like a very reasonable salary to ask for tech sales.
@@grain9640 let me guess they didnt even let you remote work?
I've been searching for an entry level into web development for the past 3-4 days, only 1 of them had entry level requirements. I am seriously thinking about fabricating 2 years' working experience so I can get a job that I can do right now (after self teaching for 1 year).
@@grain9640 to be fair they don't teach you jack shit at uni that you'll actually use
Thanks, Joshua. My Dad told me a long time ago that "loyalty" was an employer's tactic to get employees to take less than market value for their services.
This is old news, and has been a thing for many years. This is mainly used by companies when hiring an internal person for a role, where they make people apply to a fake job posting that they have no intention of ever filling to meet various HR and/or legal criteria that "no acceptable candidates were found".
It's usually because their State has a law stating a position MUST be applicable to the outside if it's open for x period of time.
Very true I’ve seen this first hand. Even worse is when they do interview external candidates with absolutely no intention to hire, just to check the legal boxes. I’ve seen some candidates drive almost 3 hours to make an interview that was pointless.
@@Goldmageman thats just fucked up
Actually that is a completely different scenario. That's a real job you intend to fill with an already preselected candidate but HR rules makes you interview two to four other people for the role. That being said I have done that and but then gone back and picked up one or two of the rejects because they were actually really good at a later time.
the other part of the game is when you want to downsize by finding a reason to fire somebody you have to open their position and hire a replacement otherwise their unemployment claim is valid.
So they open the position for a new candidate to replace you, jumping through all those hoops, and get away without being on the hook for unemployment.
The term I use for these job posts is 'quota posts'. Any job posting that requires more years of experience then a technology or framework has been around as well as any 'entry level' job that requires 3-5 years of experience is a quota post to me. These job posts only serve to fulfill what I presume are quotas on job listings or to make HR workers look busy. What bugs me are the politicians and economist stating that 'there are all of these job posts' when I know the economy is in recession.
We're definitely in a recession heading into a depression.
Yeah, I've seen several engineering jobs 'requiring' a PhD with a listed hourly wage in the $14-18 range. I laughed at the audacity of these listings, but maybe it was actually some poor HR rep trying to make it obvious their company was posting one of these quota ghost jobs and save would-be applicants the hassle.
Its Transitory lol
HR workers are parasites on the productive economy.
@@fishrechaun6425 They want H1B foreign workers they can exploit.
I’ve been catching on to this, recently I’ve been looking for another job ( for supplement income)…
Some red flags to noticed…
1. If it’s been 3-5 days and you haven’t heard from a company keep looking.., don’t put all your eggs in one basket.
2. If the employer schedules a phone interview. This isn’t always a red flag, but in most cases I noticed if a company schedule a phone/video interview they’re not in a rush to hire someone.
3. The interview is scheduled almost a week out. I had a employer call on Monday, and ask if I was willing to come in for an interview for a Friday.. so almost 5 days out… (that’s shows no urgency to hire)
4. The employer changes the hiring requirements during the interview. Suddenly the expectations and the shift changes when you meet for interview…red flag
5. If you notice the job listening has been online for awhile, or there’s over 10
candidates applying for the job… don’t bother applying
There’s definitely more red flags… but these are the ones that standout to me the most.
❤️Don’t get discouraged, everything will be okay. Good luck everyone 🙏
On top of those ghost jobs - companies hold interviews with no intention of hiring. During the interview they ask totally irrelevant questions. Those are an even bigger waste of time for all parties involved.
I was starting to think there was something wrong with me cause my boomer parents kept gaslighting me into thinking that the job market was as always, when Ive never had as much difficulty with scams and fake job postings as ive had after the lockdowns.
baby boomers and the like are completely delusional. Rarely listen to anything they say
same bro. same. I was literally getting gaslighted by my parents by saying " EVERYONE IS BACK TO WORK"
@@oddysay "just find recruiters it worked for your dad"
"hey its me recruiter i found you a job"
"hey it's me totally real job we need ur ssn and bank routing number :)"
😐
@@grain9640 lmfao yup
@@oddysay
"seriously just get a real recruiter"
"hey its me recruiter there's no openings right now but I will kindly keep an eye out, okay?"
[10 targeted spam calls, emails, and texts a day from that point forward]
🤔
My family is feeling the effects of this. My wife was laid off and has been looking for another job for months, leaving me to try and support a family of 3 on $18 per hour, not fun
Hello I was homeless once, got out of it without any help. Best financial advice I’ve ever heard: if you can’t buy it twice, you cant afford it! Also the 10% rule, if you have 100$, you really only have $10. These two things helped me out of poverty. Hopefully it helps you as well good luck 🤞
@@NipplesOfDestiny Thank you, that sounds like very sound advice, and I'm glad it was able to get you out of homelessness. I already don't buy anything that's not absolutely necessary (basically good, bills, gas), the problem I seem to have is that there's not really much left over to save up, typically I've got less than $100 in my bank after my bills are paid. Although I'm very grateful that I'm able to take care of those basic needs
Aww I’m sorry hope it gets better
I wish you guys the best. I was laid off when I was almost three months pregnant. It was a rough time. But please allow her to be sad for while. It's not easy for anyone
If companies will lie to you before you work for them, they will lie to you while you work for them.
Most people are dishonest animals
I get incredibly nervous when applying for jobs. Its seems genetically unstoppable but manageable. To think of all the ghost-job worry energy I have absolutely wasted my life on really pisses me off.
I think ive just had a paradigm shift.
Seriously
I’ve wasted so many years. Trust me. It’s a horrible feeling…
I thought it was just me. I think its the added thought of doing something that literally has no benefit. So yeah.This is like the worst news ever lol.
@@dadigitechman Not in this market. More of us need them than vice versa
@@dadigitechman so that is your takeaway from what I said? Sad
Honestly this makes me feel a lot better about how much difficulty I'm having finding a job. I was starting to think there was something super wrong with me - but even that didn't quite make sense since I wasn't even getting a call or interview, just submitting resume and cover letter. But people keep harping on how many jobs there are available right now, especially remote jobs and how you must be a failure or not really trying/making excuses if you can't find one 'in this economy'. But all the remote jobs seem to just not be real.
The job market right now is ASS! Don't listen to those "nobody wants to work" parrots. They don't know what they're talking about. It is ridiculously difficult to get a decent job nowadays
I have seen ghost job listings online for a long time now, but I feel like it is a lot more prevalent now in the past 2 years. It really is sickening and despicable.
Nah, it's always been like that.
@@amaryllisfrost4263 It’s more prevalent since things go virtual.
This is why employees are done with employers
Yeah, we need a paradigm shift. Don't say communism, that's just brutal slaughter and mass poverty. We need to populism and real democracy.
100%
Exactly.
Because we’re done being treated like slaves were people this is not ancient Egypt, where you can treat us like slaves and pay us less than a liveable amount
And it’s usually a lot of these people who treat their employees like sleeves are raking in all of the money not even using any of it to keep their sleeves happy like all they need to do is bend it on a $40 pizza party once a year and it will literally prevent a revolution
And even then we live in a world where we cannot revolt against our slaveowners because we can leave but we can’t leave. A lot of people are tied down to the jobs that they have one because seniority has made it, so that’s a liveable wage to know where else pays the same
And if it does, it’s part time work, and the hours don’t make up enough
Like a lot of people are just fed up with work and they don’t wanna work for somebody
That isn’t going to respect the time in these major conglomerates do not respect their time did major companies do not respect us as individuals because they don’t even wanna pay us a fucking liveable wage
You asked for a cost of living adjustment what is a major company? Do they fire you?
For threatening to start a union
Exactly waisting peoples time and playing mind games! Who has time 4 that.
One thing you didn't touch on is that one of the conditions for PPP funds during Covid was that you had to be actively trying to hire
What I absolutely, utterly hate, are ads for programming courses disguised as job post ads
"Programmers wanted", etc.
There's a special place in hell for the people who do this
That place is my basement where I got everything
There are ads like that for the trades. "Apply for truck driving jobs...(in small print)Employee paid training required" or "Plumbers wanted...(in small print)Must pay for internship and training". And yes, they put them in the Jobs Wanted section.
Jews don't believe in hell so.. you are wrong.
I have a primal urge to print out all these job listings, make a collage, and then set it on fire and do a weird dance while screaming ☹
@@YTSparty i hate small print 😂
I recently went through half an interview before I was told "by the way, this is just a 'networking' interview. we're not hiring until summer."
😮😡
I hope you didn't even respond, just closed the call
Bro I would I have sent them my dry cleaning bill😂😂💀
I had this happen applying to Starbucks.
Even had an interview and was told I'd have a followup. Called two weeks later to find out what's up and they told me that the position wasn't that chick that would leave an open spot, decided to stay. Didn't think anyone needed to make contact and thought ghosting me would give me a hint. Real professional.
Jobs are like women
Glad to see I’m not the only one ghosted by Starbucks. Had something happen like this to me. So infuriating and disheartening
This should be considered fraud and those companies should be fined at least - if not then employees should be totally fine to lie on their resumes or submit false competitor resumes, same thing on the opposite coin.
it is fraud, the law just hasnt caught up yet. and companies are lying to investors saying "look at our growth! we are always hiring!" in reality the lying to investors issue will get handled long before the issue of lying to the unemployed folk
IT IS NOT ILLEGAL TO DO THAT.
Only forging documents is.
I got pissed off at having my time wasted and made a fake resume with a bunch of bs. I have 15+ years in React and developed the entire Alexa eco system and am currently the Chief Executive Software Engineer Manager Assistant Associate Intern for Jeff Bezos where I’m so loyal, I refuse my paychecks so Bezos can buy more yachts for his ever growing fleet. Yup, I put that in my fake resume.
@Casper's Studio bruv, its not illegal to lie on your resume. as it is not illegal to look for applicants where nothing is to be applied for
You know what, i'mma start doing that shit.
I’m so tired of being unemployed, I’ve been just submitting and applying for months. 700+ and like 5 responses and 2 interviews that went belly up, I hate how we do business in America.
Edit: a lot of peoples replies really show that they don’t know what it’s like at the very bottom of the economic ladder.
What work do you do
yep. that’s been my experience too. was better a couple years back
In the uk it’s like that too.
I read a book called what "color is your parachute". It highlights that most jobs are placed by someone the applicant knows. Networking seems to be the viable alternative to these ghost jobs.
And yet so many people believe the "no one wants to work" lie.
It's gotten so bad that I don't even bother applying to jobs the digital way anymore. So many job listings are just trying to harvest your data.
Aside from the digital way what other ways are there? I ask that question genuinely as a young person trying to understand how to get jobs
@@Mike-sj9si the only way is nepotism. Legit. You don't get a job worth anything by just applying to an opening. You have to know someone. Networking is everything.
How do you get hired? Most places won't touch a resume not submitted online.
@@earthstar7534 You have to know someone. This is the only way to get hired now.
SandFA, hold on, nepotism isn't just hiring people you know. It's hiring friends and family that you know aren't really suited for the job.
Companies have been doing this since Bush was in the White House. I can tell they were doing this over 10 years ago because I would apply to a job that I had the qualifications for and 3 months later get a generic rejection notice, but yet the same job ad remained open on the company website for over a year.
Yep I've seen alot of that.
I was wondering about that
I always keep my door open to other companies and am always applying and actively looking. It's saved me more times than I can count.
That takes a lot of time, but I guess if it's worth your time then great.
@@ChemistTea It does take time but it is worth it. I got laid off and because I have conversations ongoing nearly all the time I was able to increase my wage by 50%, start the next job in 4 weeks, and use my severance money to buy a new car. If you are prepared for it, getting laid off can be an income surge (although still stressful, things don't always line up).
@@ChemistTea One advantage to this strategy is that you don't get caught out if you need to find a new job. If you poke around you'll see plenty of people on places like reddit saying they just got laid off after several years, they don't have an up to date resume, don't know what works on a resume, and don't know how to do the basics of interviewing.
If you're always looking then you'll always have decent interviewing skills and will know what kind of jobs are out there.
@@buxton5165 I definitely agree that it's good to be prepared. I suppose a lot here depends on the job. No worries on my end, and I support other people keeping their resume and skills up to date. It's definitely good to have some level of readiness, even if it's not constantly interviewing. In some careers, interviewing is like having another job lol
@@ChemistTea It doesn't take a lot of time. And you'll get many times over what you put into making sure you have a competitive job. Everyone should be doing this.
Wow, SOOOO spot on correct for hospitals on the west coast. Providence Health is super shady…posting job openings that have already been filled internally. Providence Health is legally”a non profit hospital”, but their #1 focus is real estate, NOT patient safety. They are corporate landlords. Would love to see their shady side exposed. HQ is Renton, WA
Renton is a crap area largely.
Perhaps a similar site to "Don't date him girl". Needs to be put up for "don't apply" to.
The power that corporations have in our society is what makes it such a crappy place to live
Thank the bill that scummy politicians wrote and passed in 90's thereabouts: Corporations as "Person" or some such crap.
Ralph Nader wrote a book on it in '97 ish. Excellent revelations.
And it's just at the tipping point of us having enough of this shit...
Glad to see some of the mainstream adopt a anti-corpo stance lately. I am still a capitalist per se, but that is one of the few lessons I learned from my punk friends back in the 2010s and I don't regret it till this day.
@@gobbo1917 when you say: “I’m a capitalist,” what does that mean? Do you own the means of production? I doubt it. You aren’t actually a capitalist. You simply believe capitalism can be virtuous. So do I. Capitalism doesn’t need to be worshiped. It needs to be saved by being regulated-like it used to be in the USA from the 30s through the 70s.
I went in and interviewed for a job that didn't exist. They said, "We don't have anything at the moment, but we'll keep your application for a few months if something opens up."
I would have told them why are you wasting my time? I could be interviewing somewhere that actually has something open instead of being here. These companies need to be told off they are too used to employees and potential employees kissing their ass.
I once worked for a well-known company. My team is running extremely short of people and everyone on the team was stretched as much as they can (long, stressful hours, evening/weekend work etc). We tried to communicate with the managers, what we were told was “we are hiring new people and things will be better once you have more people in the team”. But in reality, they made us work like that for several years until more people quitted. Eventually we got one new hire, not very qualified or even enthusiastic about the job, after 2 more people left. Well, that’s how an open requisition could “keep your employees motivated“.
And this is exactly why employees should band together and work slow enough to motivate the employer to hire enough people. This happened at my last job, the employer lost 2 people but the team worked about as hard as possible but the team was left to suffered and hours were maintained. No one did unpaid ot and eventually the bosses introduced 2 more people to the team.
I once had a manager (two levels above my position) who told me off for working too much overtime. Said he can't really watch all the team all day long. All he gets is indirect feedback, and as longs as that feedback is "the work gets done" he has a hard time arguing for more positions with HIS boss. He pretty openly asked me to stick to my eight hours and make sure that my minions do the same thing, plus keeping it very honest with my direct managers so he would get the kind of realistic feedback he needed to make sensible staffing plans. It goes both ways.
Companies that are that badly managed need to go bankrupt so that their staff can be freed up for more productive work elsewhere. Unfortunately so many politicians like to "support small business" with massive subsidies that keep them from dying.
@@Hastur876 those subsidies are usually given to terribly run large companies.
I don't know if it's still happening but during the pandemic, companies were getting significant govt grants and tax breaks for claiming they were understaffed and lost too many employees due to covid, ghost posts were a part of the process to show that they were actively "hiring" and thus eligible for extra funding. I've also seen a lot of smaller recruiting firms that appear to be little more than data banks for mining personal information - so it helps to be careful about which personal information you share on your resumes (address, DOB, phone numbers, emails asking for last 4 SSN, etc.)
What do we do about last SSN?
They've been a part of the market forever. Every time I've went job hunting I found out in many cases the job was filled a year ago, or they are just gaming the government somehow.
Well its in case they need to fire the person they can do so with greater confidence when knowing someone applied recently.
This isn't accurate. It's a relatively new phenomenon that arose in the dotcom boom and got worse as spam became an arms race. 30 years ago, it wasn't even worth the bandwidth or phone lines to post fake want ads. Now machines and dumb statisticians can make use of infinitely many fake ads and applicants.
@@RPcropland sounds like insider trading. Maliciously Manipulating the market of something that you supply
Yeah, that's another one - they post a job, identify 1000 candidates that they call "unsuitable", and then use that to go to the government to apply for a dozen visas so they can bring over Indians to work as programmers for minimum wage 80 hours a week.
It's called Fraud, because they're scamming the investors making it look like the company is growing and hiring.
Moved to a different state recently so I was applying to jobs like crazy. A big craft store said they were hiring not only as an associate but in custon framing which I had experience in so I applied bc I wanted something similar to my old job. And waited a week and finally called the manager and she said they weren't hiring but they could call me back in 6 months!! 6 months!! Bitch I will have an actual job by then. Even 2 weeks after calling them they kept reposting the same fucking listing on multiple sites. It was so fucking infuriating seeing that listing knowing it was practically fake.
It would be cool if people could keep a running list of places they applied and never heard back and share the list as it grows. Kinda gang up on companies that do this and avoid them like the plague
They'd probably get sued by the big companies that pull this crap, so it'd have to all be anonymous.
I already began writing my list while applying for each job. I write down the name of company, time, date, and type of job. I keep this information in my journal. Once I click on the submit button to submit my application I take a picture on my i-phone and have as a copy for my records. All jobs that I applied to were on Indeed, and some on the company's website. Be careful with the company's website...they end up changing the date of the job posting so that it appears current when, in actuality, they have already listed the same job over 30 days ago. A slick move, but I caught onto it rather quickly.
We need to start pushing IRS to enforce penalties to employers who don't issue 1099's for independent contractors to those applicants for the work completed. They are essentially buying the labor as a service, so they owe a liability to the contractor. You have to hold them accountable to stop bad behavior in the job market.
Why? You don't know if those independent contractors are incorporated. If one is incorporated, there is no need to receive a 1099 MISC, etc. Do you issue a 1099 MISC when you make a purchase at Walmart? Also, WTF do you want to empower the Infernal Revenue Agency more than it already is? This is the same rationale that the 4/20 crowd likes to use when they promote decriminalization, "See, if you decriminalize it and tax it it works out for everyone involved."
@@TDDMS An individual can separately receive a 1099 for work performed for another entity. What you're refering to matters if the employer hired the services of a business such as an S corp. We're not talking about paying the corp but the individual seperately. And if they're not issuing the 1099, then they should receive the same penalties as usual.
Also we're talking about nonemployee comp.
@@TDDMS the IRS already has the power to enforce proof of income. We're not adding any power to IRS, we would only be protecting employees or potential employees from loophole wage theft practices.
@@voidless1 Independent contractors aren't employees. Employees are w2's. I've been an IC for half my career. If the work is less than 600 they often don't report it. However, if it's over that you can get your 1099 online or from a library and fill it out. I looked up my employers tax ID online once and asked them for it point blank otherwise. If you turn in your 1099 and they don't report it than they CAN get in trouble.
@@xejelah The purpose of a 1099-MISC or NEC is to pay nonemployees. Often the work performed by candidates has equivalent reasonable salary or hourly compensation attached. The employer should still pay them especially if the amount of work is valued at over $600.
I had an exit interview in early December when I quit my last job. I told the HR dude "why aren't you hiring anyone?? I saw all the postings for this position on LinkedIn. Why aren't they interviewing or hiring anyone?" He just, agreed.
did he also say "we hear you, and we understand your concern"
Always politely decline an exit interview. There’s nothing good in it for you.
This happens a lot in the arts, in the UK. Grants, commissions, artist's residencies are
funded from public money and diverted directly into the pockets of "friends". It's a problem with subsidies for Film and animation too. Many applications and proposals are submitted digitally. These industries aren't gathering data. They don't even bother with opening the files to read them.
The agencies aren't just filling their books, they're looking for contact details for your references, so they can call managers directly to sell their services.
It’s pathetic because 9/10 they’re not reaching out to your references
@@se2664 Oh they do though, they put them into their system as potential leads and then your manager starts getting phone calls, usually using your name to get past their defences, or by saying "we've heard there may be an opening for YYZ position", and if you're the only person doing that job then they'll know it's you that's thinking of leaving, and i've seen plenty of people get sacked for many different made up reasons whilst they were looking for other jobs.
@@Strider9655 That's why you never list anyone in your current company as a reference when looking for a job. But I think what you're saying is that the recruiter is circumventing that, and contacting your current employer anyway to try to fill an "opening" that they know will be coming, without helping you on your job search. Pretty sleazy, but not surprising for recruiters.
@@Seattle-2017 in that case what they do is contact you with a great but fake job opening and say that the fictional employer needs references up front, then you basically never hear from them again
@@Strider9655 I don't deal with recruiters anymore, for this and countless other reasons.
I saw someone once said that they find it odd how a company can let you go at any moment, but expects a 2 weeks notice from you.
Thanks for covering this, supper frustrating to realize that A) Most jobs that are posted are in already filled by someone who networked in (where do peopel think the %50 of all jobs are filled by networking number came from?), or B) don't exist at all. Don't let anchoring get you down.
Funny thing, I never thought I was any good at networking, but almost all of my jobs have come from knowing people. My current employer hired me back after I left for a number of years. Why? Because I "accidentally" helped them land a multi-million dollar contract deal when I hired some of their (our) consultants and my Director liked them. My Director then moved on to another company and when they needed people, he already had a good idea where to go look for quality people. They ended up hiring everyone they could who was available. I never saw any of that largesse, but when I needed work in 2022, it was a slam dunk to go back there and work for them again.
This should be illegal. What if the unemployed person is using these “ghost jobs” as their required proof of searching for employment? In a way these companies are misleading the unemployment offices.
There isn’t any misleading going on. Think about the fact that you file your own taxes yet the IRS already has the complete information to do it themselves. Unemployment offices know very well what is going on. Think about how they may benefit from this knowledge.
Great point!
Sunny that's what your worried about!? Pssshhh
It could also be a scheme to sell the privately collected data
One more reason: they are trying to market training to workers. I once applied to a warehouse job despite having a technical degree and background. Because I couldn't find anything else better. I got a call immediately. The guy on the phone asks if I've tried training for a technical field? When I told him my hefty qualifications already in tech, he hung up on me.
jealous animal
😶
I've stopped applying for jobs that were posted more than a week ago. I can't believe how much of my time I wasted before. At least I got a sabbatical out of it.
Over 2000 applications and resume submissions. Not a dime of income since March. This should be illegal.
I called out a recruitment agent for advertising a job they did not have. I went to the interview and they offered something not even slightly similar. I told them off and walked out.
Good
This recently happened to my husband. 6’4 Marine with a lot of experience and qualifications for security work. Sent in an application and resume to a place and they called him back for a housekeeping position that paid a lot less.
LOL. I can’t imagine that went over even remotely well. Hope he’s doing well.
It also works great as "advertisement" for the company! Whenever it's been two months since I applied for a job and I haven't even gotten an automated email back, that company goes on my no-buy list. Post a scammy job listing, get labelled a scammy company; simple.
I remember the good ole days ..when you bought a job paper and answered the ads
It was rare to ghost job as it cost a lot to advertise !
This is precisely why becoming a contractor is my long term goal. I'm done playing games with employers.
What's to stop them from requesting fake quotes?
🤣Contracting sucks, too.
Contracting isn’t much better.
I’m pretty sure there are a lot of _”ghost contracts”_ as well.
These companies need to be subject to federal forensic audits.
If we had a government that actually cared, that is…😕
@@willia3r
They don't have to contract with businesses. They should try for the consumer market. In fact we all should.
Easier said than done.
The size, reach, and negotiating power of extremely large businesses and corporations especially...means the ability to quickly and efficiently find the customers faster and in much larger volume...that will easily eclipse the actions of any one individual _'mom and & pop"_ styled operation.
Which is why Walmart has been able to put out of business most generic small business shops where-ever they operated.
Typically, only other chain stores and perhaps boutique stores selling to a niche customer-base...tends to fare somewhat better in said corporate-dominated environment.
Checking glassdoor can help with some companies. You might notice a mass amount of “no offer” after people have completed an assignment.
in Portugal i have a friend that is a Talent Aquisition and she told me the last place she worked she had to be on "meetings" with people just to have a job , so they would just waste candidates time with non offers , ending with "we will see if you fit in any position we have available"
Ghost job meets bullshit job.
This is bang on. It's just an excuse for middle managers to exist. They artificially make their plate look big by scheduling interviews but never hiring for a job that exists.
@@Sammysapphira I always thought middle management was about separating the role of enforcing policy from anyone with the power to change it
@@RobertDrane nope. Middle management are just high paid gatekeepers
Never do technical tests without be sure that the job offer is serious
Yes so true. Im a construction estimator. And my current employer asked for a full estimate which usually takes weeks. My recruiter knocked sense into the client and they finally reduced to me simply explaining the process which took like 30min to review and 15min to present.
Thanks for putting a name on what I know is going on. I'm a senior tech writer in pharma & typically work contract, which means I'm basically a professional job seeker. While most jobs come to me at this point in my career, I still look around when a contract is ending. If a role catches my eye & it's TTLY aligned with what I'm looking for, I'll shoot out a resume. Much of the time, if I'm early, I'll get called back. Other times I won't, but then I'll see that role post again - over & over & over again. For weeks sometimes months. I'm like, ok wtf. I KNOW you have a shit ton of resumes. What is going on? Like seriously. Well, now I know. F**kers. Thank you.
Well this has been a nagging feeling in the back of my head for a while. I probably don't need any more confirmation than this. Thank you.
This is exactly why I use staffing and headhunter services. The employer has to pay them and you, there's vetting and field/career/preference matching, you don't have to waste your time filling out hundreds of pointless applications on badly designed websites. And if the endpoint employer tries to get you to be a "permanent temp" you can report them for breach of contract.
Can you suggest some to me?
Example please
@@Dave102693 I can tell you one to avoid: Robert Half(pay). They all pretty much suck and the turnover at those staffing firms is unreal.
KForce contract to hire remote worker making $100k+
Tactical post because I'd like to know too.
I noticed this 20 years ago. I can only imagine that it is much worse now. Government jobs have to be made public to show that they are not just hiring from within. Which is the case most of the time.
So much corruption in this world its sickening
Don't be antisemitic
Exactly.
Possible technique: Severely buff your resume on the fake job, when a real job approaches you from that resume, take the job and hold it for as long as you can.
It’s what I’ve done.
I've always done, within reason. Things I could prove I could do, many self thought things I knew and had experience in and knew I could do as well or better than those that learnt it from scratch at college or some other formal study. The job market, even on countries with actual benefits, is still shit and it's made to benefit the employer.
Always log your achievement or proof of work on a project, especially where high demand skills were used. Be mindful of not breaking some company intellectual property rule. Openly that is. Keep it in your personal drive. That beats having a formal qualification. Of course don't be a moron and blab about it to your company.
It depends what sort of company you want to work at - good ones will quickly see through this - may even charge you with fraud.
@Duane: Have you ever worked? Jobs don't "come to you" anymore, that is for sure. Good luck line-fishing a job bro. I bet you're still waiting :))
Im convinced that some of the ghost job listings are used to create mailing lists. I had a spike in spam after submitting an application last year.
I'm not american but 6-8 years ago I was asked by my boss to fill out a job add for my position. I thought I was getting fired but it turns out that they were helping a political party show that there were lots of available jobs, that way they could justify an increase in immigration.
Gonna have to agree with the others, this phenomenon is as old as dancing baby gifs on emails. Though I really noticed the uptick about five years ago as automated hiring processes soared from mere filters to nearly the entire process of replacing HR and hiring staff.
Oh, it's even older than that. Often it involves getting government money for some unknown reason that most of us can't figure out. A lot of that went on when businesses were getting PPP money. They pretend they can't find employees and somehow get money for this. There's always some sort of scam like that. Goes back at least to the '80s and probably even longer.
I noticed this during the 2008 recession... It happens more in tech fields. It also helps companies keep clients to keep up the appearance so the client won't leave them for a bigger firm.
I was at a job hiring help firm.
Small town. Guy was good. Had numbers for any job posted.
But everything was interestingly filled or I wasnt the right fit.
So desperate took a job posted 1 hour ago. Called. Already filled. Thats not possible, but he finally said its normal to hire in house or from a pre selected individual, but in some way thats not legal. So they advertise a job to officially hire the person.
I've been telling people about this BS practice for years! I'm so glad this problem is finally getting attention.
So freaking true!
I'm so sick of those not seeking work always claiming that so and so is hiring... when they clearly aren't to those who are looking for work know.
So basically, job apps are pretty much like dating apps.
yep
Yup. Seems promising, great when you find something. Then they ghost you
Please, let's reform the broken legislation for jobs, hiring, and labor. It's a blight on the American workforce.
That means getting the Goverment out of the table. No mandatory benefits or wages or any no mentioned in the contract even...
if you do, I guarantee you it will work against the workers. yes, they may make something like posting fake jobs illegal, but it will be easy to get around it, and the legislation will also include something that ties down employees to companies even more than they do now. The system already treats people like slaves. "Does your employer offer insurance?" Why is my employer the owner of whether and what kind of insurance I can get? How did they get in between me and my health insurance on government forms?
@@itoibo4208 the rest of the developed world begs to differ. It's not hypothetical. There's studies and data and hell if you even just talk to people from another developed who don't live here while they also may have issues they don't have such issues like ours. Even 3rd world countries in some cases have it better regarding worker protection and rights
@@ZentaBon They are false studies with false data. And by the way te rest of the developing work is absent of freedom.
I had that situation happen to me at a Teaching Assistant position offered at a local school. It also happened with not 1, but 2 subbing positions. These employers should be fined $1000 every time they pull some shit like that and it should go straight to the applicant.
Schools are terrible for this, I work in one too and the amount of pre-filled jobs, managers hiring friends from other teaching jobs, fake jobs to make it look like staffing requirements are being met etc etc is horrendous
@@Maria7Maria I want to be in public education, but I am not going to beg. They wanna play the games, they can just bitch about labor shortages like they always do
Yep, I work in a school and the law requires that they post all job openings even if they already have someone internally picked for the job
A really popular coffee shop in our area advertized that they were looking for servers with little to no experience and a friend of mine who really needed the money for her and her mom, applied and got the job. However, they told her there would be a trial period of one month where she wouldn't get paid but she would need to come in and she could keep the tips (where I live tipping is not mandatory so if she got any tips they definitely weren't enough). When the month was up they let her go and kept hiring newbies and keeping them as free labor. I never went to that place again, absolute scumbags.
Work for 1 month free but keep tips? Heck, no. I would report them to the labor board.
There’s a company here in Calgary, AB that has for years had a junior posting for a winforms position. Anyone truly junior would be committing career suicide to take this. On the other hand, I exceed all the qualifications, by a factor of ten or more, because I’m not a junior. However, I don’t need to make a lot, and don’t mind the idea of working the rest of me career on legacy code. I’ve applied to this job multiple times. Never got a call.
I know to call this a ghost job now.
I ran into one of these about 15 years ago when I applied to a design job for a local firm, showed up, went through the interview and was told at the end that the original posting was a "fishing expedition" and that they didn't have any faith they would get anyone qualified in the local area. So despite showing up with the required skills and a portfolio, I was never even considered for hiring.
funny how 15 years ago, it was 2008... some things never change
That description sounds like they had an actual need, and would have hired if they found someone qualified; they just knowingly posted the job in an area where no one was qualified? That sounds less bad than an actual ghost job.
@@Tzizenorec I'm sure it sounds less bad, but it resembles a ghost job in that they had no intention of hiring someone from the area.
Additional details: They needed someone with a print / web design & development background and then they wanted to dramatically underpay that person to do a lot of heavy lifting for their firm.
Also, I was a not a beautiful woman and I think that hurt my chances massively in this situation based on my read of the owner and the office setup he had.
They never actually hired someone for the position, they instead hired a coordinator to work with out of town firms to handle their web design.
So yeah, it's loose, but I consider it a ghost job because unless someone was willing to degrade themselves, nobody was going to get that job.
Gosh this makes so much sense. I’ve never struggled to hear back from companies like this before.
I am pretty confident that "ghost jobs" are S.O.P. for many of the less-ethical retailers. I worked in a store where we were told that the "Now Hiring" sign was both required by policy and that actual positions that may be open were in the distribution center. They certainly weren't in our store, where any diminished revenue was answered with cuts to an already inadequate payroll EVEN WHEN they knew it was shoplifting by "customers."
An easy way to make this illegal would be to require for each employer to send a unique detailed letter of why they denied each applicant
It's not that simple. Who's gonna enforce that? How much do taxpayers pay for the enforcers? Are taxpayers ok with this? Etc.
@@destructionman1 We enforce it with the NLRB, which already needs more funding as it is.
@@destructionman1take all the IRS people looking into your taxes and just use them for this.
Done
No extra money, and less tax enforcement