I remember my boss at my very first graduate job was pissed when I was changing positions after 1.5 years of working there because I was offered a higher salary elsewhere. He used the "corporate ladder" guilt card and said he'd put in a good word for me to move up. I made the stupid mistake of staying for another 6 months and by the end of my 2 years, I was laid off due to a sudden purchase of the company. Turns out there wasn't going to be any promotion at the end of the year but they needed to maintain employee contracts to avoid losing workers to the competitors. Moral of the story: prioritize yourself and yourself only.
He probably also wanted you to stay because people leaving isn't usually a "Morale Booster" lol It really is crazy when you see just how little these companies ACTUALLY care about their employees 😂
@@Cross_40 this, in fact, use the counter offer to the company that is trying to hire you and see if you can get your salary even higher at the second company
Others have commented that the way of organizations in getting far ahead is often about how well you are connected to others, and not what you know, nor even if you are working hard. Some examples include Royal Families, Nepotism within Medium to Big Companies; Connections to CCP in China; Political Positions; Relatives of Presidents; Being a Lawyer vs Non-Lawyer In Many Court Systems; and so on. -- Very similar issues of extreme favoritism of what occurs in China Society with CCP also occurs in the more subtle soft corruption in USA, and double standards around the world to benefit those who dominate the rule makers.
You're right about that. Psychos who are incompetant and brings shit to your career rather than progression. Sacking off finance to jump in cyber security career. Anyone who is in this position and wants to stay in your position, just be worse in your job and eventually you will be pushed out you're department into others through job opportunities.
@@DimitrueG They're not incompetent. They're extremely competent. They're amoral. They don't care about you; they care about their bottom line. It's their ruthless competence and moral negligence that keeps them at the top rung.
@@Torpidity yeah you say that but when I left they have fallen behind alot. The staff misses me and they're just losing business. And I ended up 5 figures up via settlement. I know what you mean but trust me they're incompetent. Or maybe I was too good. Who cares I'm trying a new career path. Just don't think things will change because you want them too, you have to change that's it.
Correct to a certain extent. No matter how smart you are does not mean it translates over into being a good manager or having the foresight in planning for the next problem or opportunity. Most good managers are born with the characteristics of being a manager. Not everyone can do it. And having an education also doesn't correlate into productivity. Education (Formal Schooling) is highly over-rated and I actually think it's doing more harm than good at this point for many reasons such as a mis-match of skills, education, passion, etc. A person might be smart enough to be an engineer, but they might be cut from the cloth of being an electrician and therefore if they eventually find their niche they'll be happier and more successful than being stuck in a career that they "picked" after their sophomore year in college. Also, that mismatch in abilities vs career creates larger macro inefficiencies in our economy. Anyway, so much more to talk about in regards to education and the corporate ladder.
@Alpha Omega . . . just because you become a manager doesn't mean you are good. If the only reason you became a manager was because you kissed ass then you'll probably be a bad manager and miserable. I was a manager also for over 10 years and I was OK, but I wasn't passionate about it. I didn't find working 50-60 hours a week fulfilling just to make 20%-30% more than some of the people I was managing. It also depends on what field/career you're managing and your passion for the organization. A big part of being a good manager is delegating tasks. If you're micro-managing your employees all day then you're not being a good manager. As the employees will learn to shirk their responsibilities and lose respect for you. I think it would be easier to manage the business if you had ownership in it. Then there's a motivation to lean on others to get their job done or they're gone. . .because it's your business they're affecting. Sorry, but hierarchies are natural. The earlier people realize that the much better they'll be at identifying where they fall on that hierarchy and what they can do to maximize their lot. Jordan Peterson talks a lot about hierarchies and the one thing he mentions is if a hierarchy is created that wasn't done based on abilities and talent but by false measures that it will not function properly. Hence why managers that get their job based on who they know usually are lousy managers that earn little respect. Sorry for the long post.
I once worked with a guy who never missed a day of work in the 30 years he was at a company and he got a plaque and a Pat on the back. He was autistic and always smiled and never got promoted, or better pay or a vacation. That’s no way to live - ever!
Well I have a son who is autistic and it had taken alot of work for me to get him not to get ready for school on the weekends. He was very insisting to goto school. So it was most likely a routine thing for him. But if they knew that, then they should have said he must use his vacation time or his loved one should have intervened on his behalf. Or better yet, paid him his vacation time out at the end of the year. But there is no compulsion for corporate to treat him right.
As a fellow Autistic, this has been me. At my retail job that I was at for 3 years…I literally only called out once..and that was bc my mom begged me. In the end, they treated me as if I was the new person (I was one of the most experienced) by putting me at the front while the new people got to do what they want. Got 25 cent raises and nothing more. They literally said I knew every dept..but treated me like I didn’t. Anyways, I work at a bank as a data analyst now, and I’m taking a Friday off each month. And 1 week vacation twice a year. I’ve stopped getting stressed about that bc everyone on my team takes a few days or a week off every month. I literally tell myself I hate being autistic, even tho I know my disability is not the problem. Now that we’re going back to the office, I feel like shit and am trying my hardest to block out the noises.
@Lauryn Johnson Do to your disability, you can asks for accommodations such as working at home all 5 days or 3 days work at home and 2 days at office. Goto your HR to ask for FMLA papers 📃. Take this to your doctor/psychologist and psychiatrist. This will also give you 4 times a month to call out of work outside vacation times or scheduled times. You have to have worked a 1000 hours to even qualify. You have a condition and you qualify. I hope this helps. Now accommodation is a separate thing than FMLA. But ask for both things. They can provide you with a computer for home and a stipend to pay for internet services and make an office space at home. If you think you cannot do the asking alone, then get you a caseworker from your medical insurance company to help speak on your behalf or social services from the state. Usually, there is a caseworker for disability benefits.
"If hard work was the key to success in life then the people out here digging trenches in the dirt & these construction workers would be the billionaires of the world." Well said.
Working hard doesn't always mean physical labor. Mental work can be hard work as well as starting your own business. So it depends on how one defines hard work. Of course, there is also what I call working smart which is the way to make money compared to just working hard.
I think this is why the idea of being an entrepreneur is so appealing to todays youth. If you're gonna be broke, at least you're broke working for yourself vs slaving away and still being broke
The problem is a lot of these "entrepreneurial" endeavors are just as parasitic and toxic as some of these corporate positions. E.g. "expert" gurus trying to sell garbage courses, dropshipping middlemen that sell cheap quality and counterfeit crap from China and other countries, scalpers hoarding popular/essential goods and then extorting and price gauging others for massive profit. The problem with pushing everyone to become entrepreneurs is that it floods the space with these scammers, leaches, and parasites.
Problem is it's difficult to tap into the retail sector when you can't compete with big box stores and amazon. Really only leaves the skilled trades, which are pretty hard work on there own. Whether you work for someone else or for yourself, there's no free lunch
@@creb2429 The source of the matter is, WHAT creates Fake Gurus? I mean, basically, CEOs in those companies are already Fake Gurus. Even the guys who actually did the things, there are no guarantees that those guys are not Fake Gurus. Based on what i've watched from Coffeezilla, in my country, i can count that there are at least 1K Fake Gurus, it not more. If i understand this Fake Gurus thing correctly, then the Source of this new norm, is because the Government is taking control of everything, or to be more precise, Big Tech Companies are taking control of everything. Big Tech companies are even taking over the Government as well. The Facebook case with Mark Zuckerberg is a HUGE PROOF for what i am saying. If i understand it wrong, well then, you guys can tell me the Root Cause, i'm always open to listen.
You missed one, you get so good in your role that you actually become an irreplaceable part of the company, so thats the position you stay in forever while less competent people are promoted above you.
@@jghifiversveiws8729 Peter Principle is something different. Thats where people get promoted to incompetency. Basically the way it works is that, people who are good at their jobs keep getting promoted, which means they stop getting promoted once they are no longer good at their current position, otherwise they would have gotten promoted again. This is one reason why its not uncommon for management to be incompetent, because they may have been really good at their lower promoted job, but their new job requires new skills they dont have because its a totally different job, and so they arent qualified for it and get stuck. They cant get promoted anymore cuz they arent good at their current job, but they cant do the job they were good at because they got promoted. So you just "fake it until you make it" by pretending you know what you're doing when you dont really. And this often goes unnoticed because the people in charge of you and who review your work usually are incompetent at their job too for similar reasons. So they arent qualified to know that those under them arent good at their jobs and so things remain the way they are. It becomes a systemic problem. However, the thing the OP is talking about is when an employee isnt just good at their job, but rather theyre TOO good at their job. Their skills are so exceptional that the company literally cannot afford to promote them and lose that talent where they need it. This is actually best in the sense that it helps the company run smoother and makes things get done more efficiently since you have a super competent employee rather than an incompetent one, but it causes issues in the sense that the employee feels they arent being properly compensated for their work despite how valuable they are and how hard they are working. The solution to this problem is pretty simple though, you just give those people raises for exceptional work. You dont have to promote them, just giving them a raise is usually good enough as it rewards their effort, but still keeps them where they are most competent and valuable to your company. And it means you are actually paying them for that increased value they provide so they feel fulfilled as well as their hard work paid off. The issue is that companies are extremely exploitative and will instead try to do everything they can to not give people raises, and instead have them continue working harder than everyone else for the same pay without ever promoting them either because theyre too valuable in their current position. Any company not willing to give you a raise for exceptional work is a company not worth your time. Finding a new job will likely pay you more with your higher experience, and so is much more worth your time.
Sometimes those who got promoted are not the " efficient ones" on the role. Those who are " favored" by boss or executive. Somebody who will clap their hands on the executive people all the time. That was the environment on my first job.
Just realized this with my company. I got my eyes on my spot. Anything past that, I’m good for right now. Corporations do offer a lot but a lot of them also treat their employees not the best. They have it down to a science. Everything is laid out so if you as an employee have an issue, it’s usually because a lower-level manager isn’t enforcing policies and rules. Or they are and writing everyone up for it and no one respects them
@@justgivenofox9543 it is better if you have a boss that is laid back type who does not enforece rules to the last semtence. I worked in a company in my first toxic job that requires everyone to follow rules. All bosses are micromanagers type, where all the movements of employees are monitored or else " they will use any excuse to kick the employee out" A company that is not sorry to let of anyone who has an " issue or deviation" As the system management's goal is not to have " deviation" Whether online data or actual document. That kind of micromanaging company is toxic type and I have no plans to back to unrealistic expectations of a company.
The greatest supervisor I’ve ever had told me, "if you stay longer than three years at any organization, you’ve failed"..with that advice I went from $38,000 to $104,000 in 6 years moving from three organizations until I found my current job which I love
@@boringmanager9559 the problem was I was complacent and wasn’t focused on the bigger picture in better myself as opposed to loyal to a company who would have no problem replacing me
To climb the corporate ladder- 1. Suck and sleep with the right people 2. Corporate speak, send emails and get into the right meetings 3. Be a psychopath and a bully.
100%. It's not who you know but who you blow. People with virtue have a hard time climbing the corporate ladder because they don't compromise their values.
The real way to climb the corporate ladder be an OCD psychopath, exploit subordinates, take credit for subordinates creativity and blame the weakest one when something goes wrong, and be very versed in corporate kool-aid and its jargon
100% you cannot be weak and you must imply subtly bullying tactics if needed. Whoever the weakest link is, distance yourself from them and make sure management knows you side with their opinion on everything.
Wasted 10 years of my life at a company thinking loyalty mattered. When I put my 2 weeks in nobody cared or asked what they could do to keep me. I was a good employee too
@@solomonsanabria7092It's unlikely. Anyone in a hiring position will be able to read between the lines and hear "I'll leave the moment another company offers me a better offer"
The one thing I've learned in the past 25 years in IT is that no matter the department or the company, management is always full of idiots that somehow failed up. Promotions, recognition, pay raises, all really hinge on how they personally like you not your job performance. Being the best at what you do, being a top producer, being the go to guy to fix things when no one else can means nothing. Promotion? You're too valuable to lose from the team. It would be unfair to promote you over other employees who have been there longer. A million excuses only to see the golf buddy to the manager getting the promotion. The corporate world is broken. Cream doesn't rise to the top. The more you show them you can do the more they exploit you without compensation.
Idiots failing up is due to one thing; power and elitism is stressed so those who obtain opportunity are friends of the decision makers. This makes the decision maker feel more powerful and he knows the people he's hiring even though they aren't qualified. They fire that guys underlings if something bad happens. Idiots failing up are jus well connected and this culture and system is on purpose, to promote elitism.
Young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and these job trends worsen.
@@Brian-vs9sd not really,and companies like contractors because they don't have to pay holidays, pension, healthcare. Now the government wants to limit this by defining contractor as someone who has at least 3 customers, otherwise the companies are basically taking advantage
Joshua you are 100% right. I learned that, 20 years ago. I started as a Technician in a factory, moved to group leader, Supervisor, Acting Manager. Then the copany desided that for the position the wanted somebody with Master Degree. So the Guy arrive and I have to teach him everything, because he was not a Technical person. I left the company and make My company. Now I am the OWNER of the LADDER. 10 years later the old company closed because bad management.
@@chilepeulla I am retired now, leaving with my savings and Social Security. I was not alone there was 2 more partners, they buy my part and continued the busyness .
Unless you own the company, nothing is in your control. Nobody ever lied to you? I find that impossible to believe. Carry no guilt or shame and jump from job to job. Every time I felt like I was on the corporate ladder my hands were tied together and some POS pushed me.
"Unless you own the company, nothing is in your control" - Bingo That corporate ladder is made up BS and you have 0 control. If you climb it, it's just because they want you to have a sense of accomplishment so they can squeeze more. They also use it as a carrot so they can make you sacrifice your time, money and health just to get laid off without a reason when profits drop.
After being passed up for promotion multiple times, I start dragging my feet and did the absolute minimum. My biggest accomplishment was when I dragged a 1 hour job into 12 days, telling people more "competent" than me I was trying to fix a fault in the system, they didn't have a clue, I knew exactly what was wrong. One day, when my boss was counting on me for an important job, I got another job (higher salary) and quit, from there on, I was loyal to money only. Put yourself first, Josh is right.
I disagree I think self-respect matters. I work for people like I would want them to work for me. I give them as much loyalty as they give me. But loyal or not my bottom line is my bottom line. If you cross my bottom line you crossed me and that makes our association fundamentally detrimental to my well-being or potential growth.
As someone with decades long working experience in corporate environments, if you are in your 20s please do yourselves a favour and listen to this guy. He is completely spot on.
I once left the job and during my exit interview with the HR representative asked if there was anything I would have done differently. I told him my only regret was not being able to resign this job twice because I enjoyed quitting so much
I feel this. I remember telling my manager to go eff himself and rot in hell in my previous job when I quit years ago. It felt so good. Everytime I think about it I smile. It was the true definition of quitting in a blaze of glory, it was talked about by many the remaining employees for the next 2 years.
The corporate ladder does exist but only for a small group of employees that I like to refer to as the "preferred people". There are different names out there for such people but they're easy to recognize. They seem to be identified from the moment they are hired. The red carpet is rolled out for them. They ace performance reviews regardless of how they actually performed and get the largest merit raises as a result. They don't stay in any one position longer than 2 years or so. They get placed on every high profile project that comes along and then get the subsequent recognition for being on those projects. If they complain about something, it gets taken care of with the highest level of priority. If they screw up, they get a slap on the wrist, given the opportunity to fix the problem and are then given loads of recognition and praise for fixing the problem they created. Now, don't get me wrong. These people are not all a-holes as you might think but they do have one thing in common. They are unaware of how lucky they are to be in the position they are in. If you tell them how difficult it is for YOU to get recognition, raises or promotions, they are totally surprised. They are so used to everything being easy for them that don't realize that it's not that way for the majority of their coworkers. In fact, they think that YOU screwed up in some way and that's the reason that you don't enjoy what they enjoy. This is one way you can really tell who's preferred and who's not. The preferred ones don't realize they're preferred. They take it for granted or they think they really are that good.
In my experience, I have a seen other types of "preferred people". I've seen what you mention, but I've also witnessed people that are simply good at optics. They know that it's not what you do, it's what people think you do that matters. When it's time to perform and all eyes are upon them, they perform. When the pressure is off, they enjoy life and work less than others. Work smarter, not harder is their motto. If other workers say how difficult it is to get promotions, they act surprised because they don't want to give away their secret that it's all about optics. To these types of people, the less people that are good at optics, the better. It's a game and they're an expert at playing it.
@Lazirus951 yep. They know how to impress the right people and play the game as you said. Unfortunately, I never learned how to play that particular game.
Yup! These are the ladies that get hired into HR/Marketing right out of college. They smile, they land cushy consulting roles and then quit when they meet their rich husband. At least in my experience.
As someone who worked in a corporation for about 30 years, I found that viciousness is the most viable quality to move up the ladder. However, being vicious is not easy unless you are a sociopath. So, now you understand why 13% of executives are sociopaths.
@@j.l.stanford1754 Well, if I remember correctly, the 13% came from a Forbes article. My belief is that the corporate executives are probably better at hiding their sociopathy, so the actual number may be higher.
Virtually every corporation is like this. My dad worked his ass off at Publix as a bakery manager for over 20+ years. His department did so well, they would send him off to newly opened stores to get up and running. He had the opportunity to move into store management but it conflicted with his church schedule so he didn't take it. Very rarely took a sick day and accrued them over the years. When he ended up getting diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, they only let him use half his sick time before kicking him to the curb. They didn't let him use the other half he had saved up, which at that time was a substantial amount of money for him. I had two negative experiences with them too. Publix is notorious for the "we're a family" and "we take care of our employees" bs and they're no better than any other corporation.
there was a lady at my last job where she had back pain so they she started doing more wfh and leaving early sometimes, her boss forced her to use her vacation time and then laid her off instead of taking time to recover.
I’m so sorry to hear that. That’s bullshit. My mom is a breast cancer survivor and she worked through her treatment. There needs to be laws implemented to protect workers in these unfortunate circumstances. These greedy fucks are so heartless. Thankfully my mom’s job was very understanding but that’s not the case for everyone.
I'm sorry to hear about your dad's cancer, but you're right the companies that promote the whole "we're family" image are the most toxic. I worked for a Danish company that was like that, they made us go into the office so we could bond, they told us we shouldn't work overtime and they kept braggin about how everyone there was so close and friendly. But 3 weeks into the job and I was ready to quit, manager would ask me what I'm doing every hour, when I need to get something for the office from the store I was told I couldnt leave the office and had to wait until the end of the day, every bit of work I did was scrutinized and torn apart even though I've been doing it for 12 years. Each day a new instruction was given that conflicted with the previous days instruction and no discussion was allowed, do as you're told. It was an absolute nightmare. Meanwhile others around me were being praised so I came to the conclusion that my manager doesn't like me and theres nothing I could do but leave.
When I had a hysterectomy I came back to work way too soon so as not to be an inconvenience for my boss. I was hospitalized for 3 weeks when I had a blood infection. I was in septic shock and went back to work the week after being discharged. I got nothing for doing either of those. My coworker was getting ready to have a hysterectomy and I told her do not come back early. She took the whole 6 weeks off.
Best thing I ever did was accepting that my career was dead end at 35. It allowed me to focus on family, friendships, my health and living on my schedule. No stress when you don't care is there.
yeah that certainly seems to be for the best (...well, as long as you make enough to be able to get by and live well doing that, which isn't necessarily a given)
Amen to that bro! The best decision I've ever made was deciding not to care. It makes everything so much easier. For example when a company makes a bad strategic decision and loses a bunch of customers or whatever, don't let that affect your well being. Don't allow the incompetence of others be your cross to bear. Work is work. Work hard, then when 5 o'clock hits, be with your family, do a hobby, exercise, etc.
I was in it for 30 years. Wasted my life. All the work, all the networking, degrees, and trainings never got me anywhere but laid off over and over and over. Now, I'm under employed in my 50s trying to afford taking care of two sets of aged parents with declining health. Damn, man.
Seen it so many times. The majority of important work is done in companies by 10% of key workers. They often don't get promoted because they're actually busy doing the work whereas people that look good and do the right amount of ass kissing advance. Eventually it gets to a point where the key workers get pissed off with the lack of pay rises and no rewards for their hard work and they leave. The company is then stuck with a bunch of people that look and sound good in meetings but can't do anything in reality.
@@akin242002 In some industries yes but there's still a lot of areas and companies that don't pay attention much to front line workers. I'm a buyer for an IT company in London and since everyone started working from home all my public sector customers have become very slow at ordering. I bust my ass quoting as quickly as possible, getting the best prices and confirming details then they take 2 weeks to order and the options are gone so I have to re-quote. They used to order within 3 days. 100% this is because they have lazy staff at home with no oversight and they have no chance of being fired. I just get a lot more urgent requests through because they've let situations get out of control.
Being in that 10% in a previous life, my current struggle is timing when to put the popcorn in the microwave to watch these types of companies squirm when they realize it.
@@emdo.unlimited555 I'm a spare parts buyer for an IT company so I can tell which tech brands are fked internally. Dell and Intel are both incredible badly run. Everything they do takes 3x as long as other companies and they have a really high staff turnover.
@@Lord_Falcon I worked for one of the largest investment companies in the world at the global level (loyally) in a compliance function. It's not limited to IT. I also got tired of getting people to comply with policies and procedures pertaining to the possible yet improbable. The big dawgs simply don't understand the rug that is being pulled out from under them when the good people leave in droves. Rats, sinking ships, and all.
Yep got a 2% raise one year was told what metrics I should hit to get a much higher salary increase. Met all of those goals and them some, got only a 3% raise for the extra hours and sacrifice to my mental health (not worth it) looked for a new job that same week.
Funny how they make money all year long so you don't worry that you'll be fired/quit, but then suddenly they don't hit unrealistic mystery numbers and there aren't raises or meaningful bonuses. One year at the holidays, the employer passed out $25 publix cards, and I did the math outloud to my team and came up with like $3000-$3500. I concluded, this holiday, remember that they think you're worth $25 plus catered Olive Garden (so about $5/person).
The first piece of advice I got when starting my IT career is if you're young and willing to move. Do not wait for a raise within your company, its often times easier to just apply for another position at another company that pays more. That new position is your "raise"
This is definitely the way, I moved multiple times in my early career years until I reached a point where making more money would not significantly improve my life. From that point forward, I just change jobs if the company starts doing bs that impacts my well being
gotta have that "Leverage" and unfortunately, most modern bosses don't start to shake in their boots until you REALLY threaten em lol like "I got an offer from another company" 😂
In my experience, working hard just means that the manager gives you more work to do. Meanwhile, you have some coworkers who do half as much as you, but they still get paid the same amount.
I wouldn't feel good about myself, and my work day if I was being paid, but only doing the bare minimum, or half as much as the top performer (s). Good thing my company respects, and rewards, loyalty and hard work. I'm very blessed.
This is why I gave up my promotion and gave up my license to do other things at the company. I do the bare minimum and get paid as much as everyone else
true, the manager would be a total idiot to let you get promoted, he'll lose a guy that gets him his raises and gains a hard competitor on his own road to climb the ladder...
As an IT nerd, I've found the best way to get a raise is to go to another company. And when employment agencies ask what I made at my last job, I lie and tell them much more! I don't go to work to work, I go to work to MAKE MONEY. There's a difference!
I don't blame you. I realized by the time I was 30 that we live in a system where if you're not privileged you have to tell a white lie sometimes to get ahead. Whoever invented our economic system was a psychopath.
If I’m going to work with only the mindset of making money then I would dread every single day. The work itself must be enjoyable or else why tf are you even doing it. Idk how you do it, but you do you I guess.
@@Pwjdjskw If it was fun they wouldn't be paying you to do it, people would just do it for free... I'm not saying do something that you absolutely hate, but if you're gonna trade hours of your life for money you might as well get as much money as possible for those hours. I'm also in IT, there are some parts of it that are interesting and some that aren't, but they still have to be done or the entire company grinds to a halt. If you only do things that you find fun that's the mindset of a child, and your life isn't likely to go very well.
Climbing the corporate ladder is completely based on how much you make your manager laugh or cover up their wrongdoings. You have to be a "yes" man. You can have everything educational that's required of you plus experience, but if the people above you don't like you for whatever reason........you're screwed. If you're generally a good person, you won't make it to the the top of the ladder. Everytime they tell you what the expectations are, the terms and conditions are subject to change everytime you clock in. The goal post will be moved every time you attain success. That's why it's better to just use these corporations and do the bare minimum withought making it look like it.
@@us3562 you could, but it wouldn't get you anywhere unless you "aligned" yourself with upper management or "bootlicking" in layman's term. which as far as I know, isn't a "good person" trait.
@@us3562 A hierarchy is inherently authoritarian. It is to keep those below you in line by ANY means necessary. The job of anyone on the top is to gaslight their employees, pay them less than they're worth, ect. Since your livelihood is tied to employment, your actions Naturally threaten people's livelihoods. You have to be willing to step on others whether you realize it or not. Hence the reason there are not many leaders in powerful positions, mostly bosses. The world is ran by a minority of rich people for a reason. People are just convinced that they must be stupid because they're not rich, but in reality the minority is willing to be ruthless, vile, pander, bootlicking and non sympathetic or empathetic. For instance when you change a employees schedule withought asking them if that would disrupt their lives in anyway, you are very qualified to move up that corporate ladder. It has nothing to do with skill. People who are at the top of the ladder are willing to do as their told and step on anyone in the process.
I heard about a couple who spent their whole lives working, thinking they'll have a comfortable retirement. They managed to have close to a million in savings, but soon after they both started to have Alzheimer's issues, had to move in to a memory care, confined to a small room. Let's enjoy our lives right here, right now, ladies and gents!
Then you follow this BS and do not save for your retirement and become an elder in poverty. Craptastic advice. 🤡 Even better if you get Alzheimer's disease. A sick person with savings is in a far better situation than a sick person with no money at all.
Well - this story completely turns the retirement story on its head. It's true - no guarantee that there will be golden years to enjoy as envisioned. Thanks for the reminder.
Years ago I was at a company where I was the most senior member of my team and one of the most senior members of the whole company. After years of waiting for the promotion I deserved it was given to an outside hire who was friends with one of the owners. After a few months of telling that guy how to do his job and eventually fired me because he didn’t need me anymore. I wasn’t laid off, I was fired and I still haven’t fully recovered. Office politics are a complete joke.
working for someone else's dream is a joke , we are educated to work for others . 21-41 years old I worked for others , at 42 years old I work for myself and at 49 years old I'm financially , emotionally & physically a free person . Do the things you love doing everyday and help others with a fee , overtime monetary awards will come to you . The universe rewards people who gives
I’m sorry to hear about your very negative experience. I worked at a company where three of worked very hard in our positions, and also earned our master’s degrees. We each had 35+ years experience between us (including supervisory mgmt. experience), we were also vocal about opportunities for promotions and shared friendly & professional interactions with our director. Only to be told none were available or come up with some ideas to implement and maybe something could be done. Well, imagine our surprise when a few months later, we find out (in a mass emailing) that a lazy colleague, very friendly with the director, who has a hs diploma and two years of experience (I only mention levels of education due to the industry minimum being a bachelor’s degree), along with a penchant of overtly sharing her sex life and aggressive political views had a new management position created just for her by the director. The position was not posted, nor were any of us any made aware of it. Climbing the corporate ladder is a joke and is the result of a) ingratiating yourself to the decision maker and becoming a yes-person “friend,”b)being a back stabbing narcissist and doing whatever it takes to move up a notch, and c) understanding that a lot takes place behind the scenes while “leaders”look you in the eye and lie.
I once met an HR manager at a big pharma company. Worked her ass off climbed the ladder etc etc. Then at 55 she was abruptly fired for no reason other than "too old". She said she should have spent more time with her child instead. That was my first clue corporate career is a complete waste of time. I now sell furniture and make more than all my "corporate jobs" friends.
@@shootingbricks8554made up reasons are just as valid. uncle got fired for some random complaint when he was in his 50s. he stayed with his company for 30 years
haha, that made me chuckle but is kinda true... and even if they manage to damage the building in the process (i.e. do bad decisions) they can leave and even get money thrown after them too (Severange pay for managers and so on)
They love using the "complaining" as a convenient way to dismiss reality. I've had extremely fact based debates with managers and have even had them admit: "you're completely right" only to revert back to: "..so are you going to grind it out?"
bro I PROMISE YOU these people would've been sayin the same thing to slaves back in the day 😂 😂 😂 "Oh you boys are just COMPLAININ too much! but look at what Mr. Cooper gives ya in return for all that hard work!!!" 😂 😂 😂
As someone that sees through corporate bullshit, this is why I never do more than the absolute bare minimum at work even when I know how to. Pretend to pay me and I'll pretend to work, but you won't find any loyalty here except to my team. It's just business as they say
Yeap. Treat them like they do us. Doubled my pay in 2 years as a blue collar tech, just by job hopping. You want to stick me with crap assignments? Bye. Told them if i was still doing this in 6 months, i wouldnt be doing it in 1 year. They didnt get it. Left in the middle of a test when the opportunity arose. Not my problem.
Sadly many don't figure this out til their 40's: Then they quit, get divorced, etc. It's sad that many don't figure it out sooner, but great when people do. The whole "I'm going to work hard til retirement" is a complete scam to keep people on the treadmill. I've lived in a few tourist towns over my time and it's always hilarious watching old people try to do things they can't because they're simply too old. Live the journey, enjoy the ride, don't be reckless with money, but have some self respect and embrace real freedom.
I mean, it works back when they were kids, where getting a job is as easy as pestering Walt Disney everyday (happened to the first actor for Peter Pan), where company loyalty means something, and hard work is enough of a virtue to success in life. Nowadays, getting a job is convoluted, your company loyalty means as much as tissue paper, and being hardworking isn't enough. The fact that we have to be just as self-interested and sleazy as the company screwing us over is a hard cultural shock for anyone born before the 1970's...
I used to eat fairly high but have stopped that and are fairly tight with money but ONGOING and DAY TO DAY expenses. Coz that crap is what MAKES you broke. Not the 2 cars I have but the "living high on the hog". The way I'm going..... I should be building a NEW HOUSE pretty much WITHOUT DEBT within the next 4 or 5 years. I put up with living in this old dump of a cottage that's rotting away and has serious issues, just so NOBODY has me over a barrel because I had a nice house but was DROWNING in debt. Being off grid is nice coz I'm paying about US $240 a year in propane and about a dozen gallons of gasoline each year for the generator. Everything else is solar or wood fired.
I feel lucky then, I knew that companies didn't give a shit about you when I was a teenager. Granted I worker in a major grocery chain but the lesson was obvious.
You are right. The manager at the last company I worked at said the more you attend and the fewer vacations you will take including sick leaves will guarantee you a promotion. Then I got a performance notice to finish developing two systems in two months. I got constructively dismissed at the end. No company is a family to you! And that corporate ladder is an illusion.
Always talk with the people who have been at this company a few years longer than you. They do NOT hesitate to tell you how un happy they all are . . . . . . . . .
Yup, I make it a point to use up any and ALL Vacation/PTO/Sick time every year. I don't care what rolls over, nobody is guaranteed that roll over if they are no longer with the company. Call out sick if you have the days to burn without giving a shit whether or not they have coverage, not my problem if they decided to staff themselves poorly or not.
My company has a mentor program to promote supervisors. I and my other employees took part. I out performed everyone. I was the only one who got a failing team and I improved the time to the number 3 spot in the company of 59 teams. I didn't get promoted because a manager, "1 manager" didn't like me. No other reason. They literally had no feedback to give me. Nothing to improve on. 2 years later when my supervisor was leaving the company he told me everything. It all depends of if the person above you like you are not. That is all it comes down to.
Yup, and if they don't like you for unethical reasons or because of their own personal biases, there's absolutely nothing that can be done about that except leave.
How did you ‘outperform’ everyone? This manager literally ‘stopped’ your career progression in the organization and his peers agreed through their actions.
Or if they want to keep you. I missed on a MAJOR opportunity to move up through another area of the company because my boss went to the new division and said she couldn’t do without me so.... I didn’t get the big opportunity I had worked SO HARD (days, nights, weekends) for. I was SO PISSED.
@@yaya14every81 There are metics that the company use to measure performance. I got a team where a few people were to be taken to HR to be fired. I asked my manager to give me 2 months to work with them. Within that 2 months, I got everyone to start meeting and exceed the targets. There is a quarterly review for the 59 supervisors. Out of all the 8-9 person's on the mentoring program, I was the only one to get ranked in the top 5 supervisor within the company. The others didn't even make it in the single digits. The other person's in the mentor program came to me for advise and guidance on managing their teams. But 1 manager changed it
I used to work a corporate job and it was going alright for a couple of years. 3rd year I had some major life changes that drastically affected my work. My boss through me under the bus to the CEO and reported my mistakes in great detail to HR. I knew my chance of climbing the latter was OVER. I quit and joined a partner in owning a small business. Greatest decision ever. Business has been going great
Same !! Try to switch a company then the same company will offer you a raise + additional responsibilities...=longer work hours ! It's a Hamster wheel..
@@nickvledder Getting fired can be a blessing, like when someone you love but doesn't love you back breaks it off. Maybe you should have left earlier but just didn't see it.
I think the best mindset working in a corporativo environment is to use them as they use you. Use their resources, use their budget, use their projects. Never expecting to be noticed, but trying to pursue your own goals. If they dont let you, just fire them and go somewhere else.
@@snehavora3507 that is the reason you never quit while you don't have a second job lined up. I quit/put the 2 week notice at my first place when I signed the agreement/contract for my second job. You would be a fool to not do that.
@@snehavora3507 unfortunately that does happen. Some bosses are former bullies or bullied kids who are now acting as bullies at workplace. Those situations are quite tough to live in but I do realize I have been fortunate enough to not be involved in them.
Company loyalty nowadays is BS, but you still need to pretend that you are loyal and enjoy working overtime in front of your manager... So be a good actors / actresses
No, you need to have the balls to call them out for their bullshit and build your skills to the point that you can leave the job & easily get other work.
I enjoy working overtime for wages. You would too for $300 for 6 hours. I actually just wish I could work the weekends and get paid overtime because I could do anything else all week and still get 80% of what the mon to fri people get.
@@posthumanistpotato yet IN MANY PLACES in the world, unpaid wages are illegal. They FINALLY nailed that one down as a specific law recently in my state of Australia. Happy they did because now it's not some bs runaround but something that you can sue for without complications and a judges decision is half made with that law on the books.
I got my first, corporate IT job at 30 years old, 20+ years ago. I thought "now I'll be working with grown ups..." or whatever. But a guy once said, "the real world is just highschool, with money". So true. If you want to climb the corporate ladder, you have to be in the cool clique. If you're not, then don't bother.
Good advice. Corporations only value people who have no life outside of the job. They pretend to value individualism and speaking your mind, but that's about the worst thing you could do. Nepotism counts for more than your expensive degree or anything you did for the company. Some people will do or say anything to get that promotion - you will never win against someone like that unless you want to become a person like that - and for what? Eventually the pay cannot make up for your loss of free time and the BS you have to put up with.
I've just given up, all the mum and dad businesses are gone in Australia and I refuse to work for a corporation that will suck me dry, not again anyway. Everytime it comes up in conversation I always feel like it's a bad topic because people think I'm lazy when I'm not, I apply myself very well to any task I put my mind to, but I have wasted years slaving for a business that clearly didn't care about its employees, its consumers or its investors (because it went under the year I was sacked) and when I realised that I had to act the same as all the Chinese people do, I refused. Their entire country is swirling down the toilet and I refuse to partake in action that will make my own country do the same. I'll just be a hermit who does freelance stuff and takes disability cheques.
Oh please… what the heck are you on about? “Some people will do or say anything to get a promotion…..” what could you possibly be IMAGINING is being said? They work harder than you and are more talented than you. They interview for the role and they get it. You cry baby.
Exactly. I've been in a mid level position for a long time at work, because upper management just isn't the place for me. It's nice to go home, leave work at work, and get on with my real life. There's a certain freedom in that. It's not lucrative as the executives, but there's more to life than money.
Ironically, companies want people to have a spouse, kids and mortgage, even though they expect the employee to work long hours. If you're not tied down with kids to feed and a mortgage, you might just get up and quit one day and they can't have that. In job interviews, the hiring manager will make polite small talk hoping you'll reveal that you have kids so you'll be trapped in the job.
In my early 20's I was hired on as a manager at a company. There were people at that company that worked 25 years to become a manager. That's when I realized that climbing the corporate ladder was a joke. I was lucky enough to see behind the curtain.
10 years ago: ladder: SE -> Senior SE -> Principal SE Now: Associate -> Sr. Associate -> SE 1 -> SE2 -> SE3 -> Senior SE 1 -> Senior SE 2 -> Principal SE 1 -> Principal SE 2 -> Distinguished SE etc. Out of thin air positions are created, you might be hired 4 years ago at SE2 which said 5 years experience required, but now SE2 is 2 years experienced required and you are SE3 now lol Mgmt whereas is Manager -> Senior Manager -> Director -> Senior Director -> VP
Titles are just pay grades. New hires make it easier to dilute pays between workers. Your pay has to be a third of what the CEO would have to pay the ancients by promoting them.
@@ronaldinhogaucho5460 my mom's friend is a manager at a supermarket and the company is begging him to retire so he can collect his pension. Why? So they can hire a younger guy and pay him half what my mom's friend is making.
Performance doesn’t matter, in fact being competent or exceptional at your job simply invites jealousy and envy from your colleagues, they’ll do everything to undermine you to your superior’s whilst you’re too busy maintaining your mastery at your job, it’s social networking which counts.
I've been a software dev for 2 years now and honestly I didn't want to believe a lot of the stuff you were saying about corporate...until I saw it all happen firsthand. They rewarded people for working overtime (on-call) for two weeks with an additional $400. Do the math there : $400/80hrs = $5. So you value your time outside of work at $5 an hour... But people think that $400 is the greatest thing since like sliced bread and they could buy that new set of golf clubs.... And I would ask people about working remote and the response was pretty much well I have weekends to spend doing what I want. Well what about the entire week? It is just absolutely insane to me. Its so far removed from reality and its like people have no idea. I'm actively looking at ways to get out of the corporate world. Keep up the great videos man!
Since I started treating myself like LLC in terms of I am contractor and I am selling my time to company I made decision to quit corporate. And work for myself in completely different business but my reward is basically unlimited. No stupid pay bands or some shit.
The game deserves more attention! It has a lot of nice detail put into it and the devs are mainly just a few recent college grads, which is really impressive!
Gen X here. What Josh said is absolutely correct. It doesn’t matter how good you are at your job. It matters how much of your soul you’re willing to sell and how big of an ass you’re willing to be to your colleagues.
Owning a house is really no different. You have a mortgage, property taxes, responsible for all of the utilities and you better hope nothing major breaks. You also have a harder time moving vs renting somewhere, you can always leave after the lease. Just hope you have good property management and mature neighbors
Working hard is the biggest lie in corporate work. Of course you have to do your work and meet deadlines. But actually working hard, finishing assignments early, staying busy, and picking up other tasks/responsibilities actually work against you.
Some people die before they hit retirement, and that shit scares me. Imagine you work a whole 40 years from age 18 to 58 and you die before you get to retire... ugh ugh ugh
Worked a corporate job for 9 years...Then right at a time i was hitting a supposedly peak (got promoted, got a few raises etc) an epiphany hit me that i was giving way too much for no reason and i left...All my colleagues that were climbing the ladder successfully at the time were shocked and told me i was making a huge mistake and the only way from were i was was up the ladder...Long story short here i am 10 years later making excellent money working by myself and ALL of those "golden boys" got fired inside a decade for newer and cheaper alternatives...
Ive been working for the same company for over 25 years. We can’t retain young professionals because all of them quit after 2 or 3 years If they feel stuck with no career progression. This is one of the things I admire of young people. Older people don’t agree with it at all because we think they want things happen quickly but why would they wait? To be like a 45 years old person like me to get anything happen in their lives? We like it or not working for a company for many years is not always the right choice because you are not in charge of how much you will progress in your career.
I will also add that we only live once! Why would I want to do the same repetitive thing over, and over, and over again for decades on in? When people tell me they worked at the same company for 45 years, and started right out of high school, and are now in their 60s, and they only had like 1 other starter job before they worked for this company...That story to me is incredibly BORING! Most People want varying experiences in life when it comes to the work they did, and don't want to be so complacent! It is great to find a company that you truly are dedicated to, and if it pays well for what you do, then some decide to stick around as lifers. Others just get too comfortable, and keep working at the same place forever because of their relationships with co workers and/or because it is so close to where they live. However, most people want to experience more in life than just 1 or 2, or even 3-4 different employers/jobs in their working life.
I'm 44 and making a good jump in pay by moving. You're not old in your 40s. Look around and make yourself presentable. With that I mean: have a resume that talks about what you achieved, not what you did. Instead of "worked as a staff accountant fumbling the numbers for 8 years", you "achieved a 35% cost reduction in XYZ expenses and reduced the quarterly reporting turnaround time by 40%". Or whatever. And keep your skillset a bit current too and make sure you can present it in a positive light.
I’m only 5 years younger than you, and I make my moves when it makes sense. The days of marrying your employer are over. You need to put yourself out there.
The problem is that once you do a job effectively, you become a well fitting cog in a machine. Managers don't want to move that cog somewhere else in the machine, for the same reason you don't move parts around inside your car engine. You are where you should be, to them, and they will do anything to keep you there.
"and they will do anything to keep you there" no they won't , they won't raise your salary even if you want and threaten to leave, they won't give a fck, the correct meaning is they will do anything to maintain you at a minimum wage there.
It does get you bargaining power on money..but no lateral moves, try interviewing for positions internally on jobs you like or want to do...!! You would clear all the rounds and in the end recieve a rejection letter.
@@dh8148 I am in a similar situation. The difference is that I won't waste my breath asking for more money yet. I have already started interviewing and asking for more than 15 percent over my current salary without any issues. I pretty much told my managers as much, although not explicitly and now they are scrambling to find me a position in order to keep me. Well, that's going to cost them 20 percent.
Step 1: have a parent that is a CEO Step 2: have a family friend that is a CEO groom you to be CEO of his/her company Step 3: Accept the offer when it comes.
This is a great piece of steaming shit worse than the indeed article. Ya I am rich. I did nothing but was more a billionaire. Let's write a article about how to be born rich and not get screwed by corporate America.
The corporate ladder is a joke. I was offered a promotion to Senior Software Engineer without a pay raise... handed in my resignation and moved to another company as a Software Engineer, with a 57% increase in salary. They also mentioned budgeting issues (despite hiring new employees at the same time) and made promises of a bigger raise at the next performance review - I wasn't having any of that and left ASAP. Don't be loyal to a company, be loyal to yourself! I love your videos, we need more of them out here!
If you are too efficient, your ideas will outshine them. You become a threat. They dont like that. Toxic Corporate culture means you have to clap your hands on your boss & executives. Follow where their feet walk. Praise the boss all the time. Let them get your ideas and take the credit from you as being " part of the team" and being a team player.
Years ago I was passed over for a promotion, but I was expected to train the outside hire that was chosen over me. I openly said no and they tried to get me for breach of contract for not training someone that now out ranked me. My contract said, specifically, "train subordinates" and he was not my subordinate...I won that one.
@@crazymonkey60123 And you can become a millionaire as well, just exchange whatever you have in your pocket for Zimbabwe dollars. Same grade of advice.
You have to change “climbing the corporate ladder” to “climbing your ladder” because then you take the power from your employer and put it in your hands. You decide what role allows you to obtain the skills and experience you want in order to grow your resume. Once you spend time learning, you get to a point where you’re adding value and creating change (or stall out), and a new opportunity arrives - move on. There are numerous different situations that can occur while you’re in your role that are out of your control, and there is ZERO employer loyalty… Office politics, reorganizations, people in key roles leaving and new ones that come in that are unbearable, wage stagnation… endless. I’m in the sweet spot of middle management…. a high performer in a good role with good opportunities for projects and good pay; however, I’m not blind to the fact that this could change in a heartbeat. My resume is current and I talk to every headhunter that reaches out to me. This is the way.
I can just imagine people who are deeply ingrained in the "corporate loyalty" mindset clutching their pearls upon hearing this as they continue their long journey towards finding out the unfortunate truth.
The "we'll promote you when a position opens up" thing happened to me. When it opened up, they hired someone who had no business in the position, simply because his parents worked for the company already. When he fucked shit up resulting in the company losing a major customer, they came to me to fix the problem, but with no extra pay or intention to put me in that position permanently because "Your job is production." Not even a "we'll see" just a flat out "no." I told them no, so they went to Geek Squad and they took the company to the cleaners. When I did get promoted, they fired everyone who would be under me and I was stuck doing the job of 5 people by myself, and I had to keep the rate in the area like there was still 5 people working there. Since the majority of my day was production, they never gave me a supervisor's salary. When confronted, they told me that supervisors make less than I do, which I knew was a lie.
I have a tip for those who want to accelerate at climbing the corporate ladder. It's that you shouldn't stay in a company for too long. If you have been working for about two years, whether or not you have gotten a promotion, apply somewhere else that offers better. When you move to another company, you can get a big salary raise, a higher position, or even both. Continue the cycle again until you get to where you want. My father did it and managed to become the managing director of a big company. I'm currently doing the same and so far so good.
100% bro. As a software engineer, I started my own business for that reason. I have a hard time taking orders from people who don't understand the products they manage. It all comes down to knowing your value. Bottom line is, the most valuable people in a company are the ones making the sales, and the ones with the skills to build the products. It's time engineers are paid like sales associates but it won't happen if you don't push back and continue excepting less than you produce.
Reminds me of a corporate ladder story my friend told me: my friend worked for an IT company for about 10 years at the time and told me how there was one guy who started at the same company with him and then left after about 2 years. The guy then got hired back after a year at one level above my friend. The guy left the company again to another company about a year or 2 later. That same guy came back to the company a couple years after that and went 2 more levels up above my friend. Each time the guy came back the raise was like a 20 percent increase each time. When my friend got promoted in the same company he probably got a 10 percent raise. Companies pay more to get people from the outside but will pay you less for a promotion if you stay faithful compared to an outsider. His coworker made more money in the long run hopping around to different companies than staying in one place. Lesson learned.
Orange County OCSO.com in Florida had a senior detective, long term worker(county benefits) "retire" 🕵🏻♂️ & return to the job 3X or 4X. This to me is total nonsense! 😠 HR or the county sheriff should never permit a employee or sworn deputy, cop to swing back & forth. After the 2nd time, you're OUT. Done! 📂 I'm not against allowing older employees a 2nd chance but new, young deputies can not progress or advance if a detective wants to work 35yr or 40yr. Screw that! Work 20-26yr then leave!
yep, they did a statistical analysis on mid career salaries over thousands of job types and employees and after factoring everything they could think of the outcome was that the biggest factor on how much you would be earning in your job by your 40s was how often you changed roles. Loyalty is for suckers and people with no genuine ambition. Change jobs every 2-3 years and you will almost always do better.
For most people, staying in the same company for a long time isn’t going to result in promotions and meaningful hikes. Changing companies every 3 to 5 years usually gives better hikes and promotions
It was eye opening when I became a manager. I realized just how much influence a manager has over someone's career at that company. Good managers can help you move up, get noticed, and get raises. Bad managers can neglect you, give you no feedback, and never help you grow. Ultimately, each individual is the one responsible for their own career, so it's critical to evaluate whether your manager is a help or a hindrance to your personal career.
Corporate loyalty was a thing of the 20th Century. In the 21st Century, you must LOOK OUT FOR YOURSELF at all times. No Company is going to value your loyalty. No Company cares about how hard you work for them, or how many times you went above and beyond, or gave extra hours to the Company. There is no shame in switching Companies every time you find a better compensation and offer. There is no shame in finding a Company that allows you to work from home, gives you a better work life balance, and gives you a good salary. Have no shame, no feelings of guilt, no fear. Live and create your LIFE according to your values and ambitions, not to please other People or worry about fixing and saving the whole World. You are only here on Planet Earth for a short time, make the most of that.
I try to tell people in our age group: the higher you climb, the more responsibility you're burdened with. There is no prestige with a title. Yes, you pry make more money, but the money becomes a device of guilt to have you do more and more work, and give up more free time. If it's worth it to you, more power to you. But I want less stress in my life if I can figure that out.
I prefer a 9 to 5. I've had a company for over 10 years and at the end i had little benefits and closed it down. I'm making less but have more benefits and a better work life balance. No more working on the weekends 😌
But there comes a point where the responsibility just falls off a cliff. For example, you are a high ranking worker at a bank. You and some of your colleagues make mistakes which leads to the bank imploding. Instead of being punished, you even get a bonus. Then the bank gets bailed out, essentially privatizing profits while nationalizing debt. Or another example: Politics.
Oh they recognize that it's gone, who do you think destroyed it? They just don't want the pleb children to realize so they can have their slaves without the rightful scorn that would be cast upon them if the truth was mainstream.
@@HenshinFanatic YEPP. To my father in law, we are lazy for wanting to work from home, but he is allowed to because he “earned it”. They have such a superiority complex over this shit bc if they don’t they’d realize they wasted their whole lives
There was a time in the UK where you could start as an apprentice floor mopper as a teenager and just "work your way up" to become CEO 40+ years later. Nah, that's long gone, dead, buried, not coming back. If only the boomers understood that. My father worked for the same local company his entire working life and retired in 2018 after 41 years, and he had indeed "worked his way up" from a graduate trainee to sitting on the Board. I work for a UK multinational corporate giant. It absolutely blows his mind that my manager lives 300 miles away and I've never met her, or that some people in London are part of a small team with colleagues based in Illinois and Germany.
Companies complain about young people changing jobs frequently and not having loyalty. And it’s all from a failure to understand that every relationship is a two way street. Loyalty, investment, and support have to flow both directions, but companies no longer have loyalty to their employees, they don’t support their employees, and they don’t invest in their employees. You noticed how in the last 5-10 years “benefits package” have been reduced to BS single digit discounts on random things and the bare minimum? “We have a health pan and .5% 401k matching we have great benefits” Okay? Do we clap when a fish swims?
This happens to my father, til now. He works for construction companies for 25+ years, leave his family, wives, kids back home for projects in rural areas. Many people here dont know the concept of work life balance so much so that they dont realize theyve spent their lifetime working.
Nothing will actually help you climb that ladder unless you give up your life and self respect while kissing someone's ass who probably doesn't even know your name. I can only speak for myself but I'd much rather enjoy my life and job vs climbing an invisible/useless ladder I'd hate myself for in the end. Life is too short and I'll never waste another second trying to prove my worth and dedication to companies who don't care if I'm alive or not. Stay safe Josh! Thanks again!
@@anoopg23 thank you! It was terrible I felt like such an idiot. Lost friends had no life but had money a house a car. But none of it meant anything because I had nobody to share it with. If I wasn't at work I was working from home in one way or another. Keeping their website running and the daily routine of making sure it was updated. Keeping all the listings updated/posted in the MLS etc. Rarely slept or ate but hey I thought WOW they're gonna be impressed and I'll become a huge asset. Nope. I was just another employee who fell for the idea of climbing that ladder. I'll never do it again. I lost myself and that was when I started to understand that if I didn't quit, I'd become the job. It was a learning experience that I'm actually grateful for now. Without it I'd never understand the importance of being happy with your job and how to leave work at work to enjoy life.
I realized that my ability to climb the corporate ladder died when I became disabled. If I self-disclosed for them to get credit for employing the disabled I’m suddenly less capable. If I don’t disclose, I can’t perform as well without accommodations. When I did perform so well that I had to be promoted I was promoted to a trash job. The heck with it. I’m not climbing anymore. I’m doing my job well then going home to live my life.
This video is great! I was just writing about this a couple of days ago. The only bit that is missing is that the corporate ladder gets narrower and narrower the higher up you go, and that has numerous implications. First of all, not everyone can make it. In fact, very few people can ever make it. That's an inevitable feature of the structure. Second, since it gets narrower the higher you go, the more you have to compete for the position, which means you have to be completely ruthless. You have to step on other people to climb. Finally, you have to give up more and more of your time and energy. You have to have no life of your own, just for the faint possibility that you may get to the top. Sounds like a pretty bad deal to me.
All the advice from 11 minutes into the video is totally correct, and I took 20 over years to learn this. I'm a Director now, but I "climbed" the ladder by switching companies every few years (3-4 years is roughly the sweet spot but it can vary from industry to industry, where it's long enough to look like you're stable and loyal but short enough to build up skills and experience which you can take to your next job, where you go up a rung or two on the ladder). Bottom line, it's YOUR ladder which you should be thinking about as you have control over it. It's not the company's ladder which as Joshua mentions is totally out of your control, no matter how well you suck up to the bosses, EVERYBODY is expendable.
This video really resonated with me. I spent donkeys years spinning my wheels in the corporate world. I eventually accepted the truth that the corporate world was not for me, but for many of those years I was simply in denial and kept thinking things would eventually get better, if I persevered just a bit longer. They didn't. I quit for good and went out on my own and have never looked back. Corporations (esp big ones) are only ever looking to do what's best for themselves which often means downsizing. Tjhey don't give a shit about their staff. Small business is what lifts economies out of recession. Small business also elevates and respects their staff.
Quit a small company. They changed the CEO. She wants to make the company a big company. So, she started implementing big company ideas on this small company, such as cutting costs. There was a rumor around the company where she let a few of the older employees go. Rumors were bad. I ended up quitting because everyone that I knew for a decade either retired or quit. I also wasn't getting promoted anymore. I was just stuck. I just got more work and more bullshit from the new, incompetent employees.
I worked for IT company for over 5yrs, the company employed some juniors and asked me to train them and manage their work, due to increase responsibility I requested promotion to become Tech lead, they refused and I left, later I found out that they actually promoted one of the juniors I was training to the position I wanted. It is CRAZY and madness, few months later I heard the company lost the contract that my project was part of, I said to myself this is interesting!!!!
I’ve found the most common corporate dead end is firing veterans in their occupation because they “make too much” then hiring younger, less competent, and inexperienced people to divide up that one fired persons workload into many different job duties, with entry level pay. Essentially barring all hope of a worthwhile career anywhere.
I respect you so much Josh. Found your channel 2 weeks ago. Your personal videos have helped me gain so much insight. Your authenticity really shines. Learned a lot from you. Thank you
This video is too real. I worked at a company in a junior position, and an executive noticed my experience/background and put me in charge of a large project. I did a great job, and I thought my hard work at that level would earn me a promotion with the powers that be. Nope. They took my work, fired the executive who saw my potential and bullied me for months before I decided to quit. I saved my experience from that job and now use it on my resume.
I have seen similar things in past jobs: favorites of a manager were suddenly at the other chain end when a new manager or director took charge. It is common that a new leader uses his own trustful "favorites" and minimizes the former ones independent on work and performance.
My grandmom worked for walmart for 35yrs. Never late, never called in, never talked back. Never got promoted. Never got a raise. Never got benefits. 35yrs. Ya know what she did get? A monthly income of 800$/m in SSI at age 68.
I'm laughing at what he's saying because it is so true. After working in a company where they laid off everyone in our building, it clicked that it doesn't matter. You work for them, you are just a resource that can be used up and discarded.
how to climb the corporate ladder: Kiss ass -answer your phone every damn time. No matter if it is a weekend or vacation. -learn to betray your peers. Their friendship means nothing in the long term. -say goodbye to a healthy life.
None of what you mentioned is a guarantee for a promotion, what it does guarantee is you're a person not to be trusted, can be easily manipulated and care more about a career than your personal well being.
@@RiffMaker Sarcasm aside, this really does happen in real life. Many people do get promoted in this way. With none of the consequences you mentioned. There are a lot of dysfunctional workplaces.
When our team leader resigned, I wanted to apply to his position. I was like, what would I lose if I try? We had good relationship so I asked him about the position during his notice period. He said, the benefits are great, but it will only bring lot more hours, soul killing corporate meetings, more responsibility and more stress, and pressure from various directions. Forget 9-5, meetings and calls late in the evening, even in the weekend. He didn't want to discourage me, he just wanted to be honest and make me see clear. That was the reason he resigned and the same reason I didn't apply.
Even if you play the game the way they want, there are a lot of other people trying too. Only so much room at the top. That advice to start your own business really is the best.
There's a saying in my country.
If work makes you money, then the donkeys would be rich.
That's deep man 😂
Same, but with horse )
Haha
Haha great I will keep that
Hahahaha!! Thanks for the wisdom!!
I remember my boss at my very first graduate job was pissed when I was changing positions after 1.5 years of working there because I was offered a higher salary elsewhere. He used the "corporate ladder" guilt card and said he'd put in a good word for me to move up. I made the stupid mistake of staying for another 6 months and by the end of my 2 years, I was laid off due to a sudden purchase of the company. Turns out there wasn't going to be any promotion at the end of the year but they needed to maintain employee contracts to avoid losing workers to the competitors. Moral of the story: prioritize yourself and yourself only.
He probably also wanted you to stay because people leaving isn't usually a "Morale Booster" lol It really is crazy when you see just how little these companies ACTUALLY care about their employees 😂
Doesn't always happen in smaller companies. A lot of the time employees care about hemselves even if their boss trears them right and fairly
Never accept the counter offer
@@Cross_40 this, in fact, use the counter offer to the company that is trying to hire you and see if you can get your salary even higher at the second company
Others have commented that the way of organizations in getting far ahead is often about how well you are connected to others, and not what you know, nor even if you are working hard. Some examples include Royal Families, Nepotism within Medium to Big Companies; Connections to CCP in China; Political Positions; Relatives of Presidents; Being a Lawyer vs Non-Lawyer In Many Court Systems; and so on. -- Very similar issues of extreme favoritism of what occurs in China Society with CCP also occurs in the more subtle soft corruption in USA, and double standards around the world to benefit those who dominate the rule makers.
Rule #1 : NEVER trust what your manager or higher up promises you. NEVER.
unless its on a signed paper its smoke and mirrors
If it ain't in writing, it's only hot air.
10x the mistrust if it from HR.
Yep learned that one the hard way
@@Smugly33810even if it is in writing, it probably won’t happen. “Budget cuts”
Higher positions are usually occupied by psychopaths. If you’re not one, the dream of climbing the ladder might be over.
Finally, something works out for me
You're right about that. Psychos who are incompetant and brings shit to your career rather than progression.
Sacking off finance to jump in cyber security career.
Anyone who is in this position and wants to stay in your position, just be worse in your job and eventually you will be pushed out you're department into others through job opportunities.
@@DimitrueG They're not incompetent. They're extremely competent. They're amoral. They don't care about you; they care about their bottom line. It's their ruthless competence and moral negligence that keeps them at the top rung.
@@Torpidity yeah you say that but when I left they have fallen behind alot. The staff misses me and they're just losing business. And I ended up 5 figures up via settlement.
I know what you mean but trust me they're incompetent. Or maybe I was too good. Who cares I'm trying a new career path.
Just don't think things will change because you want them too, you have to change that's it.
@@DimitrueG There's something fundamentally naive about your writing. Your perception of their competence is likely flawed.
Climbing the corporate ladder is basically high school. It's how popular you are not how smart you are.
No wonder I never took it seriously. I cannot take a clownfest that is the corporate seriously.
Bingo. You generally only go as high up as the owner/CEO allow you based on their personal, non business views of you as a person.
Correct to a certain extent. No matter how smart you are does not mean it translates over into being a good manager or having the foresight in planning for the next problem or opportunity. Most good managers are born with the characteristics of being a manager. Not everyone can do it. And having an education also doesn't correlate into productivity. Education (Formal Schooling) is highly over-rated and I actually think it's doing more harm than good at this point for many reasons such as a mis-match of skills, education, passion, etc. A person might be smart enough to be an engineer, but they might be cut from the cloth of being an electrician and therefore if they eventually find their niche they'll be happier and more successful than being stuck in a career that they "picked" after their sophomore year in college. Also, that mismatch in abilities vs career creates larger macro inefficiencies in our economy. Anyway, so much more to talk about in regards to education and the corporate ladder.
@Alpha Omega . . . just because you become a manager doesn't mean you are good. If the only reason you became a manager was because you kissed ass then you'll probably be a bad manager and miserable. I was a manager also for over 10 years and I was OK, but I wasn't passionate about it. I didn't find working 50-60 hours a week fulfilling just to make 20%-30% more than some of the people I was managing. It also depends on what field/career you're managing and your passion for the organization. A big part of being a good manager is delegating tasks. If you're micro-managing your employees all day then you're not being a good manager. As the employees will learn to shirk their responsibilities and lose respect for you. I think it would be easier to manage the business if you had ownership in it. Then there's a motivation to lean on others to get their job done or they're gone. . .because it's your business they're affecting.
Sorry, but hierarchies are natural. The earlier people realize that the much better they'll be at identifying where they fall on that hierarchy and what they can do to maximize their lot. Jordan Peterson talks a lot about hierarchies and the one thing he mentions is if a hierarchy is created that wasn't done based on abilities and talent but by false measures that it will not function properly. Hence why managers that get their job based on who they know usually are lousy managers that earn little respect.
Sorry for the long post.
The Corporate ladder is the bluepruint of American society.
I once worked with a guy who never missed a day of work in the 30 years he was at a company and he got a plaque and a Pat on the back. He was autistic and always smiled and never got promoted, or better pay or a vacation. That’s no way to live - ever!
Yeah it's disgusting the way people who aren't socially clued up are taken advantage of in todays world.
it's over for mentalcels
Well I have a son who is autistic and it had taken alot of work for me to get him not to get ready for school on the weekends. He was very insisting to goto school. So it was most likely a routine thing for him. But if they knew that, then they should have said he must use his vacation time or his loved one should have intervened on his behalf. Or better yet, paid him his vacation time out at the end of the year. But there is no compulsion for corporate to treat him right.
As a fellow Autistic, this has been me. At my retail job that I was at for 3 years…I literally only called out once..and that was bc my mom begged me. In the end, they treated me as if I was the new person (I was one of the most experienced) by putting me at the front while the new people got to do what they want. Got 25 cent raises and nothing more. They literally said I knew every dept..but treated me like I didn’t. Anyways, I work at a bank as a data analyst now, and I’m taking a Friday off each month. And 1 week vacation twice a year. I’ve stopped getting stressed about that bc everyone on my team takes a few days or a week off every month. I literally tell myself I hate being autistic, even tho I know my disability is not the problem. Now that we’re going back to the office, I feel like shit and am trying my hardest to block out the noises.
@Lauryn Johnson Do to your disability, you can asks for accommodations such as working at home all 5 days or 3 days work at home and 2 days at office. Goto your HR to ask for FMLA papers 📃. Take this to your doctor/psychologist and psychiatrist. This will also give you 4 times a month to call out of work outside vacation times or scheduled times. You have to have worked a 1000 hours to even qualify. You have a condition and you qualify. I hope this helps.
Now accommodation is a separate thing than FMLA. But ask for both things. They can provide you with a computer for home and a stipend to pay for internet services and make an office space at home. If you think you cannot do the asking alone, then get you a caseworker from your medical insurance company to help speak on your behalf or social services from the state. Usually, there is a caseworker for disability benefits.
The "corporate ladder" has a lot to do with your face being liked or not
They mask it using "pleasing personality"
@@amateruss ...or not 😁
¨so good looks=easier to climb
Nepotism, it’s real and annoying
@Alpha Omega i'm ethnic but stop being jealous of white ppl, pathetic
"If hard work was the key to success in life then the people out here digging trenches in the dirt & these construction workers would be the billionaires of the world." Well said.
no one works harder than a slave, and they dont own anything.
@BTT166 did you find something better than that construction job? I still work there sometimes because im a student and need some money
Show me a rich donkey
Working hard doesn't always mean physical labor. Mental work can be hard work as well as starting your own business. So it depends on how one defines hard work.
Of course, there is also what I call working smart which is the way to make money compared to just working hard.
@@whatevergoesforme5129 All true!
I think this is why the idea of being an entrepreneur is so appealing to todays youth. If you're gonna be broke, at least you're broke working for yourself vs slaving away and still being broke
That an fake RUclips gurus selling a course and a fake lifestyle
The problem is a lot of these "entrepreneurial" endeavors are just as parasitic and toxic as some of these corporate positions. E.g. "expert" gurus trying to sell garbage courses, dropshipping middlemen that sell cheap quality and counterfeit crap from China and other countries, scalpers hoarding popular/essential goods and then extorting and price gauging others for massive profit. The problem with pushing everyone to become entrepreneurs is that it floods the space with these scammers, leaches, and parasites.
Problem is it's difficult to tap into the retail sector when you can't compete with big box stores and amazon. Really only leaves the skilled trades, which are pretty hard work on there own. Whether you work for someone else or for yourself, there's no free lunch
@@creb2429
The source of the matter is, WHAT creates Fake Gurus?
I mean, basically, CEOs in those companies are already Fake Gurus.
Even the guys who actually did the things, there are no guarantees that those guys are not Fake Gurus.
Based on what i've watched from Coffeezilla, in my country, i can count that there are at least 1K Fake Gurus, it not more.
If i understand this Fake Gurus thing correctly, then the Source of this new norm, is because the Government is taking control of everything, or to be more precise, Big Tech Companies are taking control of everything. Big Tech companies are even taking over the Government as well. The Facebook case with Mark Zuckerberg is a HUGE PROOF for what i am saying.
If i understand it wrong, well then, you guys can tell me the Root Cause, i'm always open to listen.
Judging by the comments I think there are some fake gurus right in these comments. Seems the fake guru market is saturated.
You missed one, you get so good in your role that you actually become an irreplaceable part of the company, so thats the position you stay in forever while less competent people are promoted above you.
I thought he mentioned the Peter Principle?
@@jghifiversveiws8729 Peter Principle is something different. Thats where people get promoted to incompetency.
Basically the way it works is that, people who are good at their jobs keep getting promoted, which means they stop getting promoted once they are no longer good at their current position, otherwise they would have gotten promoted again.
This is one reason why its not uncommon for management to be incompetent, because they may have been really good at their lower promoted job, but their new job requires new skills they dont have because its a totally different job, and so they arent qualified for it and get stuck. They cant get promoted anymore cuz they arent good at their current job, but they cant do the job they were good at because they got promoted. So you just "fake it until you make it" by pretending you know what you're doing when you dont really.
And this often goes unnoticed because the people in charge of you and who review your work usually are incompetent at their job too for similar reasons. So they arent qualified to know that those under them arent good at their jobs and so things remain the way they are. It becomes a systemic problem.
However, the thing the OP is talking about is when an employee isnt just good at their job, but rather theyre TOO good at their job. Their skills are so exceptional that the company literally cannot afford to promote them and lose that talent where they need it. This is actually best in the sense that it helps the company run smoother and makes things get done more efficiently since you have a super competent employee rather than an incompetent one, but it causes issues in the sense that the employee feels they arent being properly compensated for their work despite how valuable they are and how hard they are working. The solution to this problem is pretty simple though, you just give those people raises for exceptional work. You dont have to promote them, just giving them a raise is usually good enough as it rewards their effort, but still keeps them where they are most competent and valuable to your company. And it means you are actually paying them for that increased value they provide so they feel fulfilled as well as their hard work paid off.
The issue is that companies are extremely exploitative and will instead try to do everything they can to not give people raises, and instead have them continue working harder than everyone else for the same pay without ever promoting them either because theyre too valuable in their current position. Any company not willing to give you a raise for exceptional work is a company not worth your time. Finding a new job will likely pay you more with your higher experience, and so is much more worth your time.
Sometimes those who got promoted are not the " efficient ones" on the role.
Those who are " favored" by boss or executive. Somebody who will clap their hands on the executive people all the time. That was the environment on my first job.
Just realized this with my company. I got my eyes on my spot. Anything past that, I’m good for right now. Corporations do offer a lot but a lot of them also treat their employees not the best. They have it down to a science. Everything is laid out so if you as an employee have an issue, it’s usually because a lower-level manager isn’t enforcing policies and rules. Or they are and writing everyone up for it and no one respects them
@@justgivenofox9543 it is better if you have a boss that is laid back type who does not enforece rules to the last semtence.
I worked in a company in my first toxic job that requires everyone to follow rules. All bosses are micromanagers type, where all the movements of employees are monitored or else " they will use any excuse to kick the employee out"
A company that is not sorry to let of anyone who has an " issue or deviation"
As the system management's goal is not to have " deviation"
Whether online data or actual document.
That kind of micromanaging company is toxic type and I have no plans to back to unrealistic expectations of a company.
The greatest supervisor I’ve ever had told me, "if you stay longer than three years at any organization, you’ve failed"..with that advice I went from $38,000 to $104,000 in 6 years moving from three organizations until I found my current job which I love
What do you do? Where did you start?
What is your current job?
Wow...
you probably didn't even try hard, since it took you six years. Could be done in a year or two, depending on how cool your first role was
@@boringmanager9559 the problem was I was complacent and wasn’t focused on the bigger picture in better myself as opposed to loyal to a company who would have no problem replacing me
To climb the corporate ladder-
1. Suck and sleep with the right people
2. Corporate speak, send emails and get into the right meetings
3. Be a psychopath and a bully.
So true 😢
100%. It's not who you know but who you blow. People with virtue have a hard time climbing the corporate ladder because they don't compromise their values.
Number 4: steal credit for work your coworker did.
Facts
The real way to climb the corporate ladder be an OCD psychopath, exploit subordinates, take credit for subordinates creativity and blame the weakest one when something goes wrong, and be very versed in corporate kool-aid and its jargon
lol you described my superior from my previous job perfectly. He was the reason why I quit.
100% you cannot be weak and you must imply subtly bullying tactics if needed. Whoever the weakest link is, distance yourself from them and make sure management knows you side with their opinion on everything.
Wow, that just sounds like my manager.
A very sigma male way
Build your own.
After 30 years in corporate America, I can tell you loyalty is a one way street!
This right here is the most relevant comment on this entire video.
Wasted 10 years of my life at a company thinking loyalty mattered. When I put my 2 weeks in nobody cared or asked what they could do to keep me. I was a good employee too
same with respect, management treated me like I'm scum, dirt, less than human but then demands that I respect them 😡
Only ever be loyal to yourself. Fuck everyone and everything else
I'm just glad that people finally realize this and give the finger to corporations ( I hope).
When people talk about company loyalty I always respond "I am as loyal to the company as it is to me"
Good reply.
I will use it from now on thanks to you. Applaud you Ryan.
Do u get jobs saying that
@@solomonsanabria7092It's unlikely. Anyone in a hiring position will be able to read between the lines and hear "I'll leave the moment another company offers me a better offer"
@@solomonsanabria7092 sure. For companies that are good to work for that isn't a problem.
The one thing I've learned in the past 25 years in IT is that no matter the department or the company, management is always full of idiots that somehow failed up. Promotions, recognition, pay raises, all really hinge on how they personally like you not your job performance. Being the best at what you do, being a top producer, being the go to guy to fix things when no one else can means nothing. Promotion? You're too valuable to lose from the team. It would be unfair to promote you over other employees who have been there longer. A million excuses only to see the golf buddy to the manager getting the promotion. The corporate world is broken. Cream doesn't rise to the top. The more you show them you can do the more they exploit you without compensation.
The system LOVES failures..
So true
Idiots failing up is due to one thing; power and elitism is stressed so those who obtain opportunity are friends of the decision makers. This makes the decision maker feel more powerful and he knows the people he's hiring even though they aren't qualified. They fire that guys underlings if something bad happens. Idiots failing up are jus well connected and this culture and system is on purpose, to promote elitism.
Sounds like my job. They move fishy like that in a way
The Peter Principle: where (select) workers are promoted to their highest level of incompetency aka "getting kicked upstairs".
Isn't the real way to climb the corporate ladder to job hop to different companies and take a higher position everytime you jump?
Yes up to limit
@@edwardbrito3332 Yeah that limit is CEO
Young people dont get married and dont get a girl pregnant, make sure she takes the birth control pill daily in front of you and both wear protection. You will just condemn your new child to increasing poverty and these job trends worsen.
Yes and most people in higher up positions will tell you this is how it works nowadays unlike when they worked their way up 30 years ago.
That's hilarious because its actually the truth
I spent 24 years in corporate IT, Joshua speaks the truth.
I spent only 5 to see through the bullshit. Went contracting and never looked back. If I don't like the place I find another contract.
@@Brian-vs9sd here in Germany it is better to be an employee. A contractor here is an employee without benefits
@@aleterra interesting... So you guys don't earn better rates as contractors?
How old are u, that’s a long time, 24 years I’m barely 19 you’ve worked longer than I’ve been alive
@@Brian-vs9sd not really,and companies like contractors because they don't have to pay holidays, pension, healthcare. Now the government wants to limit this by defining contractor as someone who has at least 3 customers, otherwise the companies are basically taking advantage
Joshua you are 100% right. I learned that, 20 years ago. I started as a Technician in a factory, moved to group leader, Supervisor, Acting Manager. Then the copany desided that for the position the wanted somebody with Master Degree. So the Guy arrive and I have to teach him everything, because he was not a Technical person. I left the company and make My company. Now I am the OWNER of the LADDER. 10 years later the old company closed because bad management.
How is your company doing so far?
@@chilepeulla 100% better than the old one^^
@@chilepeulla I am retired now, leaving with my savings and Social Security. I was not alone there was 2 more partners, they buy my part and continued the busyness .
Good for you!!!
Alt Luigi good to hear!
Unless you own the company, nothing is in your control. Nobody ever lied to you? I find that impossible to believe. Carry no guilt or shame and jump from job to job. Every time I felt like I was on the corporate ladder my hands were tied together and some POS pushed me.
"Unless you own the company, nothing is in your control" - Bingo
That corporate ladder is made up BS and you have 0 control.
If you climb it, it's just because they want you to have a sense of accomplishment so they can squeeze more.
They also use it as a carrot so they can make you sacrifice your time, money and health just to get laid off without a reason when profits drop.
After being passed up for promotion multiple times, I start dragging my feet and did the absolute minimum. My biggest accomplishment was when I dragged a 1 hour job into 12 days, telling people more "competent" than me I was trying to fix a fault in the system, they didn't have a clue, I knew exactly what was wrong. One day, when my boss was counting on me for an important job, I got another job (higher salary) and quit, from there on, I was loyal to money only. Put yourself first, Josh is right.
Follow the money. It's really all that matters in the end.
Good man, sound advice
I disagree I think self-respect matters. I work for people like I would want them to work for me. I give them as much loyalty as they give me. But loyal or not my bottom line is my bottom line. If you cross my bottom line you crossed me and that makes our association fundamentally detrimental to my well-being or potential growth.
You should do a video on this
I was passed up from promotions too, so now I just do the bare minimum and literally sleep at work.
As someone with decades long working experience in corporate environments, if you are in your 20s please do yourselves a favour and listen to this guy. He is completely spot on.
I once left the job and during my exit interview with the HR representative asked if there was anything I would have done differently. I told him my only regret was not being able to resign this job twice because I enjoyed quitting so much
I feel this. I remember telling my manager to go eff himself and rot in hell in my previous job when I quit years ago. It felt so good. Everytime I think about it I smile. It was the true definition of quitting in a blaze of glory, it was talked about by many the remaining employees for the next 2 years.
@@Tessy29k I assume you didn’t use him as a reference
That part
epic
Best time of any job, the 2 weeks notice period.... ruclips.net/video/PHgNMJviO6I/видео.html
The corporate ladder does exist but only for a small group of employees that I like to refer to as the "preferred people". There are different names out there for such people but they're easy to recognize. They seem to be identified from the moment they are hired. The red carpet is rolled out for them. They ace performance reviews regardless of how they actually performed and get the largest merit raises as a result. They don't stay in any one position longer than 2 years or so. They get placed on every high profile project that comes along and then get the subsequent recognition for being on those projects. If they complain about something, it gets taken care of with the highest level of priority. If they screw up, they get a slap on the wrist, given the opportunity to fix the problem and are then given loads of recognition and praise for fixing the problem they created. Now, don't get me wrong. These people are not all a-holes as you might think but they do have one thing in common. They are unaware of how lucky they are to be in the position they are in. If you tell them how difficult it is for YOU to get recognition, raises or promotions, they are totally surprised. They are so used to everything being easy for them that don't realize that it's not that way for the majority of their coworkers. In fact, they think that YOU screwed up in some way and that's the reason that you don't enjoy what they enjoy. This is one way you can really tell who's preferred and who's not. The preferred ones don't realize they're preferred. They take it for granted or they think they really are that good.
All about those fam connections
In my experience, I have a seen other types of "preferred people". I've seen what you mention, but I've also witnessed people that are simply good at optics. They know that it's not what you do, it's what people think you do that matters. When it's time to perform and all eyes are upon them, they perform. When the pressure is off, they enjoy life and work less than others. Work smarter, not harder is their motto.
If other workers say how difficult it is to get promotions, they act surprised because they don't want to give away their secret that it's all about optics. To these types of people, the less people that are good at optics, the better. It's a game and they're an expert at playing it.
@Lazirus951 yep. They know how to impress the right people and play the game as you said. Unfortunately, I never learned how to play that particular game.
Yup! These are the ladies that get hired into HR/Marketing right out of college. They smile, they land cushy consulting roles and then quit when they meet their rich husband. At least in my experience.
I saw my old bosses face while reading this 😶
As someone who worked in a corporation for about 30 years, I found that viciousness is the most viable quality to move up the ladder. However, being vicious is not easy unless you are a sociopath. So, now you understand why 13% of executives are sociopaths.
I don't believe it's that low, my guess would be 60%
And the other 87% are better at hiding it?
Only 13%?
@@j.l.stanford1754 Well, if I remember correctly, the 13% came from a Forbes article. My belief is that the corporate executives are probably better at hiding their sociopathy, so the actual number may be higher.
despite being 13% of the population.......bla@@j.l.stanford1754
Virtually every corporation is like this. My dad worked his ass off at Publix as a bakery manager for over 20+ years. His department did so well, they would send him off to newly opened stores to get up and running. He had the opportunity to move into store management but it conflicted with his church schedule so he didn't take it. Very rarely took a sick day and accrued them over the years. When he ended up getting diagnosed with stage 4 cancer, they only let him use half his sick time before kicking him to the curb. They didn't let him use the other half he had saved up, which at that time was a substantial amount of money for him. I had two negative experiences with them too. Publix is notorious for the "we're a family" and "we take care of our employees" bs and they're no better than any other corporation.
there was a lady at my last job where she had back pain so they she started doing more wfh and leaving early sometimes, her boss forced her to use her vacation time and then laid her off instead of taking time to recover.
I’m so sorry to hear that. That’s bullshit. My mom is a breast cancer survivor and she worked through her treatment. There needs to be laws implemented to protect workers in these unfortunate circumstances. These greedy fucks are so heartless. Thankfully my mom’s job was very understanding but that’s not the case for everyone.
I'm sorry to hear about your dad's cancer, but you're right the companies that promote the whole "we're family" image are the most toxic. I worked for a Danish company that was like that, they made us go into the office so we could bond, they told us we shouldn't work overtime and they kept braggin about how everyone there was so close and friendly.
But 3 weeks into the job and I was ready to quit, manager would ask me what I'm doing every hour, when I need to get something for the office from the store I was told I couldnt leave the office and had to wait until the end of the day, every bit of work I did was scrutinized and torn apart even though I've been doing it for 12 years. Each day a new instruction was given that conflicted with the previous days instruction and no discussion was allowed, do as you're told. It was an absolute nightmare.
Meanwhile others around me were being praised so I came to the conclusion that my manager doesn't like me and theres nothing I could do but leave.
@@xandervalltessa3685 lol
When I had a hysterectomy I came back to work way too soon so as not to be an inconvenience for my boss. I was hospitalized for 3 weeks when I had a blood infection. I was in septic shock and went back to work the week after being discharged. I got nothing for doing either of those. My coworker was getting ready to have a hysterectomy and I told her do not come back early. She took the whole 6 weeks off.
Best thing I ever did was accepting that my career was dead end at 35. It allowed me to focus on family, friendships, my health and living on my schedule. No stress when you don't care is there.
Patreeky!
yeah that certainly seems to be for the best (...well, as long as you make enough to be able to get by and live well doing that, which isn't necessarily a given)
Amen to that bro! The best decision I've ever made was deciding not to care. It makes everything so much easier. For example when a company makes a bad strategic decision and loses a bunch of customers or whatever, don't let that affect your well being. Don't allow the incompetence of others be your cross to bear. Work is work. Work hard, then when 5 o'clock hits, be with your family, do a hobby, exercise, etc.
I agree, and funny enough, I started getting more opportunities when I stopped giving a shit…
perfect
I was in it for 30 years. Wasted my life. All the work, all the networking, degrees, and trainings never got me anywhere but laid off over and over and over. Now, I'm under employed in my 50s trying to afford taking care of two sets of aged parents with declining health. Damn, man.
I hope your situation improves bro, I’ll try and remember you in my prayers.
sorry buddy, hope things get better...
Welcome to capitalism.
At least you're not fat. Right?
Seen it so many times. The majority of important work is done in companies by 10% of key workers. They often don't get promoted because they're actually busy doing the work whereas people that look good and do the right amount of ass kissing advance. Eventually it gets to a point where the key workers get pissed off with the lack of pay rises and no rewards for their hard work and they leave. The company is then stuck with a bunch of people that look and sound good in meetings but can't do anything in reality.
Covid-19 and work from hom ruined that for the unproductive workers.
@@akin242002 In some industries yes but there's still a lot of areas and companies that don't pay attention much to front line workers. I'm a buyer for an IT company in London and since everyone started working from home all my public sector customers have become very slow at ordering. I bust my ass quoting as quickly as possible, getting the best prices and confirming details then they take 2 weeks to order and the options are gone so I have to re-quote. They used to order within 3 days. 100% this is because they have lazy staff at home with no oversight and they have no chance of being fired. I just get a lot more urgent requests through because they've let situations get out of control.
Being in that 10% in a previous life, my current struggle is timing when to put the popcorn in the microwave to watch these types of companies squirm when they realize it.
@@emdo.unlimited555 I'm a spare parts buyer for an IT company so I can tell which tech brands are fked internally. Dell and Intel are both incredible badly run. Everything they do takes 3x as long as other companies and they have a really high staff turnover.
@@Lord_Falcon I worked for one of the largest investment companies in the world at the global level (loyally) in a compliance function. It's not limited to IT.
I also got tired of getting people to comply with policies and procedures pertaining to the possible yet improbable. The big dawgs simply don't understand the rug that is being pulled out from under them when the good people leave in droves. Rats, sinking ships, and all.
Congrats! For the past five years you did everything we asked, accomplished all your goals, and went above and beyond. Here's a ten cent raise.
Yep got a 2% raise one year was told what metrics I should hit to get a much higher salary increase. Met all of those goals and them some, got only a 3% raise for the extra hours and sacrifice to my mental health (not worth it) looked for a new job that same week.
Yup
Yes. Much better to ace that interview in another company and get 10% after 1 year
And pizza
Funny how they make money all year long so you don't worry that you'll be fired/quit, but then suddenly they don't hit unrealistic mystery numbers and there aren't raises or meaningful bonuses.
One year at the holidays, the employer passed out $25 publix cards, and I did the math outloud to my team and came up with like $3000-$3500. I concluded, this holiday, remember that they think you're worth $25 plus catered Olive Garden (so about $5/person).
The first piece of advice I got when starting my IT career is if you're young and willing to move. Do not wait for a raise within your company, its often times easier to just apply for another position at another company that pays more. That new position is your "raise"
This is definitely the way, I moved multiple times in my early career years until I reached a point where making more money would not significantly improve my life. From that point forward, I just change jobs if the company starts doing bs that impacts my well being
True. Every Interview they ask, "how much you are making" If I want to make 50k, I say I was making 50k, anything extra will be good. You are hire.
Yes and no.
It's worth to negotiate, but with an offer in another company in hand. Otherwise it is not negotiation, it's jus begging :)
gotta have that "Leverage" and unfortunately, most modern bosses don't start to shake in their boots until you REALLY threaten em lol like "I got an offer from another company" 😂
In my experience, working hard just means that the manager gives you more work to do. Meanwhile, you have some coworkers who do half as much as you, but they still get paid the same amount.
I wouldn't feel good about myself, and my work day if I was being paid, but only doing the bare minimum, or half as much as the top performer (s). Good thing my company respects, and rewards, loyalty and hard work. I'm very blessed.
hows the boot taste?@@dreamscape405
They are the smart coworkers
This is why I gave up my promotion and gave up my license to do other things at the company. I do the bare minimum and get paid as much as everyone else
true, the manager would be a total idiot to let you get promoted, he'll lose a guy that gets him his raises and gains a hard competitor on his own road to climb the ladder...
As an IT nerd, I've found the best way to get a raise is to go to another company. And when employment agencies ask what I made at my last job, I lie and tell them much more! I don't go to work to work, I go to work to MAKE MONEY. There's a difference!
I don't blame you. I realized by the time I was 30 that we live in a system where if you're not privileged you have to tell a white lie sometimes to get ahead. Whoever invented our economic system was a psychopath.
Yep, it's not like your last employer is going to tell the competition how much they pay their employees...
If I’m going to work with only the mindset of making money then I would dread every single day. The work itself must be enjoyable or else why tf are you even doing it. Idk how you do it, but you do you I guess.
@@Pwjdjskw If it was fun they wouldn't be paying you to do it, people would just do it for free... I'm not saying do something that you absolutely hate, but if you're gonna trade hours of your life for money you might as well get as much money as possible for those hours. I'm also in IT, there are some parts of it that are interesting and some that aren't, but they still have to be done or the entire company grinds to a halt. If you only do things that you find fun that's the mindset of a child, and your life isn't likely to go very well.
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Climbing the corporate ladder is completely based on how much you make your manager laugh or cover up their wrongdoings. You have to be a "yes" man. You can have everything educational that's required of you plus experience, but if the people above you don't like you for whatever reason........you're screwed. If you're generally a good person, you won't make it to the the top of the ladder. Everytime they tell you what the expectations are, the terms and conditions are subject to change everytime you clock in. The goal post will be moved every time you attain success. That's why it's better to just use these corporations and do the bare minimum withought making it look like it.
What do you mean by if you're a good person, you can't climb the ladder?
@@us3562 you could, but it wouldn't get you anywhere unless you "aligned" yourself with upper management or "bootlicking" in layman's term. which as far as I know, isn't a "good person" trait.
@Onion Potato don't know what you're talking about
@@us3562 A hierarchy is inherently authoritarian. It is to keep those below you in line by ANY means necessary. The job of anyone on the top is to gaslight their employees, pay them less than they're worth, ect. Since your livelihood is tied to employment, your actions Naturally threaten people's livelihoods. You have to be willing to step on others whether you realize it or not. Hence the reason there are not many leaders in powerful positions, mostly bosses. The world is ran by a minority of rich people for a reason. People are just convinced that they must be stupid because they're not rich, but in reality the minority is willing to be ruthless, vile, pander, bootlicking and non sympathetic or empathetic. For instance when you change a employees schedule withought asking them if that would disrupt their lives in anyway, you are very qualified to move up that corporate ladder. It has nothing to do with skill. People who are at the top of the ladder are willing to do as their told and step on anyone in the process.
@@abizarthahir3613 correct, definitely not a good person trait
I heard about a couple who spent their whole lives working, thinking they'll have a comfortable retirement. They managed to have close to a million in savings, but soon after they both started to have Alzheimer's issues, had to move in to a memory care, confined to a small room. Let's enjoy our lives right here, right now, ladies and gents!
YEP!!!!!!!!!
Then you follow this BS and do not save for your retirement and become an elder in poverty. Craptastic advice. 🤡
Even better if you get Alzheimer's disease.
A sick person with savings is in a far better situation than a sick person with no money at all.
Well - this story completely turns the retirement story on its head. It's true - no guarantee that there will be golden years to enjoy as envisioned. Thanks for the reminder.
Exactly well said
Well said. Carpe diem!
Years ago I was at a company where I was the most senior member of my team and one of the most senior members of the whole company. After years of waiting for the promotion I deserved it was given to an outside hire who was friends with one of the owners. After a few months of telling that guy how to do his job and eventually fired me because he didn’t need me anymore. I wasn’t laid off, I was fired and I still haven’t fully recovered. Office politics are a complete joke.
working for someone else's dream is a joke , we are educated to work for others . 21-41 years old I worked for others , at 42 years old I work for myself and at 49 years old I'm financially , emotionally & physically a free person .
Do the things you love doing everyday and help others with a fee , overtime monetary awards will come to you . The universe rewards people who gives
I’m sorry to hear about your very negative experience. I worked at a company where three of worked very hard in our positions, and also earned our master’s degrees. We each had 35+ years experience between us (including supervisory mgmt. experience), we were also vocal about opportunities for promotions and shared friendly & professional interactions with our director. Only to be told none were available or come up with some ideas to implement and maybe something could be done.
Well, imagine our surprise when a few months later, we find out (in a mass emailing) that a lazy colleague, very friendly with the director, who has a hs diploma and two years of experience (I only mention levels of education due to the industry minimum being a bachelor’s degree), along with a penchant of overtly sharing her sex life and aggressive political views had a new management position created just for her by the director. The position was not posted, nor were any of us any made aware of it.
Climbing the corporate ladder is a joke and is the result of a) ingratiating yourself to the decision maker and becoming a yes-person “friend,”b)being a back stabbing narcissist and doing whatever it takes to move up a notch, and c) understanding that a lot takes place behind the scenes while “leaders”look you in the eye and lie.
Live and learn, but ty for the reminder to always read the room.
I once met an HR manager at a big pharma company. Worked her ass off climbed the ladder etc etc.
Then at 55 she was abruptly fired for no reason other than "too old".
She said she should have spent more time with her child instead.
That was my first clue corporate career is a complete waste of time.
I now sell furniture and make more than all my "corporate jobs" friends.
Isn't firing someone for their age illegal?
@@shootingbricks8554No.
@@shootingbricks8554made up reasons are just as valid. uncle got fired for some random complaint when he was in his 50s. he stayed with his company for 30 years
If that is sales lobbyist marketing for males. Understood
@@shootingbricks8554Extremely easy to cover it up with a work related thing.
"Climbing the corporate ladder" - how? Most of the guys at the top parachute in from outside.
They went to the right frat which they only go into it because the better part of them ran down their mother's legs.
Truth.
Gold!
haha, that made me chuckle but is kinda true... and even if they manage to damage the building in the process (i.e. do bad decisions) they can leave and even get money thrown after them too (Severange pay for managers and so on)
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“The day you stop racing, is the day you win the race.”
― Bob Marley
love this quote thanks dude
Thanks!
There are many people who see this as “complaining” but for some of us, it’s all we see. Thank you for bringing light to these issues.
They love using the "complaining" as a convenient way to dismiss reality. I've had extremely fact based debates with managers and have even had them admit: "you're completely right" only to revert back to: "..so are you going to grind it out?"
Let them complain while they see us excel past them while they climb.. Don't brag though because that will tip them off to figure out how to tax you
bro I PROMISE YOU these people would've been sayin the same thing to slaves back in the day 😂 😂 😂
"Oh you boys are just COMPLAININ too much! but look at what Mr. Cooper gives ya in return for all that hard work!!!" 😂 😂 😂
As someone that sees through corporate bullshit, this is why I never do more than the absolute bare minimum at work even when I know how to. Pretend to pay me and I'll pretend to work, but you won't find any loyalty here except to my team. It's just business as they say
Same here, got sick of this you need to be seen to be working in front of the big wigs. It's bullshit all they want are lindked out sycophants.
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Ok Franklin the Turtle
I agree. I never do more than I should. Pay me or otherwise f off. Lol. Im not brown nosing anybody. Then you have the idiots that love ass kissing
Dpnt forget the obligatory poop on the clock break
job hopping is the key to success.
You should only be loyal to yourself.
I'll drink to that
Yeap. Treat them like they do us.
Doubled my pay in 2 years as a blue collar tech, just by job hopping.
You want to stick me with crap assignments? Bye.
Told them if i was still doing this in 6 months, i wouldnt be doing it in 1 year. They didnt get it. Left in the middle of a test when the opportunity arose. Not my problem.
@@APsupportsTerrorism I went from 55k to 200k in 5 years with job hopping. I say fuck them.
@@ehren5347 would love how to just get to 50k xc
The only people that cared how late you stayed at work were your kids, NOT management.
Sadly many don't figure this out til their 40's: Then they quit, get divorced, etc. It's sad that many don't figure it out sooner, but great when people do. The whole "I'm going to work hard til retirement" is a complete scam to keep people on the treadmill. I've lived in a few tourist towns over my time and it's always hilarious watching old people try to do things they can't because they're simply too old. Live the journey, enjoy the ride, don't be reckless with money, but have some self respect and embrace real freedom.
I mean, it works back when they were kids, where getting a job is as easy as pestering Walt Disney everyday (happened to the first actor for Peter Pan), where company loyalty means something, and hard work is enough of a virtue to success in life. Nowadays, getting a job is convoluted, your company loyalty means as much as tissue paper, and being hardworking isn't enough. The fact that we have to be just as self-interested and sleazy as the company screwing us over is a hard cultural shock for anyone born before the 1970's...
I used to eat fairly high but have stopped that and are fairly tight with money but ONGOING and DAY TO DAY expenses. Coz that crap is what MAKES you broke. Not the 2 cars I have but the "living high on the hog". The way I'm going..... I should be building a NEW HOUSE pretty much WITHOUT DEBT within the next 4 or 5 years. I put up with living in this old dump of a cottage that's rotting away and has serious issues, just so NOBODY has me over a barrel because I had a nice house but was DROWNING in debt. Being off grid is nice coz I'm paying about US $240 a year in propane and about a dozen gallons of gasoline each year for the generator. Everything else is solar or wood fired.
I feel lucky then, I knew that companies didn't give a shit about you when I was a teenager. Granted I worker in a major grocery chain but the lesson was obvious.
wouldn't say its hilarious. moreso just depressing
You are right. The manager at the last company I worked at said the more you attend and the fewer vacations you will take including sick leaves will guarantee you a promotion.
Then I got a performance notice to finish developing two systems in two months.
I got constructively dismissed at the end.
No company is a family to you! And that corporate ladder is an illusion.
Always talk with the people who have been at this company a few years longer than you. They do NOT hesitate to tell you how un happy they all are . . . . . . . . .
Yup, I make it a point to use up any and ALL Vacation/PTO/Sick time every year. I don't care what rolls over, nobody is guaranteed that roll over if they are no longer with the company. Call out sick if you have the days to burn without giving a shit whether or not they have coverage, not my problem if they decided to staff themselves poorly or not.
My company has a mentor program to promote supervisors. I and my other employees took part. I out performed everyone. I was the only one who got a failing team and I improved the time to the number 3 spot in the company of 59 teams. I didn't get promoted because a manager, "1 manager" didn't like me. No other reason. They literally had no feedback to give me. Nothing to improve on. 2 years later when my supervisor was leaving the company he told me everything. It all depends of if the person above you like you are not. That is all it comes down to.
Sounds like high school
Yup, and if they don't like you for unethical reasons or because of their own personal biases, there's absolutely nothing that can be done about that except leave.
How did you ‘outperform’ everyone? This manager literally ‘stopped’ your career progression in the organization and his peers agreed through their actions.
Or if they want to keep you. I missed on a MAJOR opportunity to move up through another area of the company because my boss went to the new division and said she couldn’t do without me so.... I didn’t get the big opportunity I had worked SO HARD (days, nights, weekends) for. I was SO PISSED.
@@yaya14every81 There are metics that the company use to measure performance. I got a team where a few people were to be taken to HR to be fired. I asked my manager to give me 2 months to work with them. Within that 2 months, I got everyone to start meeting and exceed the targets. There is a quarterly review for the 59 supervisors. Out of all the 8-9 person's on the mentoring program, I was the only one to get ranked in the top 5 supervisor within the company. The others didn't even make it in the single digits. The other person's in the mentor program came to me for advise and guidance on managing their teams. But 1 manager changed it
I used to work a corporate job and it was going alright for a couple of years. 3rd year I had some major life changes that drastically affected my work. My boss through me under the bus to the CEO and reported my mistakes in great detail to HR. I knew my chance of climbing the latter was OVER.
I quit and joined a partner in owning a small business. Greatest decision ever. Business has been going great
I worked almost 10 years at boeing, was told every one of those things. Only time they offered a raise was when I put in my 2 weeks... Such clowns.
Incredible.
10 years is alot of life.
I hope your doing good now man
Happened to me too. I took a 2 dollar per hour raise then after a year I did the same and they offered 3 bucks. I refused it and don’t regrets it lol.
Same !! Try to switch a company then the same company will offer you a raise + additional responsibilities...=longer work hours ! It's a Hamster wheel..
And you are the first to get fired.
@@nickvledder Getting fired can be a blessing, like when someone you love but doesn't love you back breaks it off. Maybe you should have left earlier but just didn't see it.
I think the best mindset working in a corporativo environment is to use them as they use you. Use their resources, use their budget, use their projects. Never expecting to be noticed, but trying to pursue your own goals. If they dont let you, just fire them and go somewhere else.
So much this!!!!
It's not that easy to go somewhere else. Many of us have rents to pay, food to buy.
@@snehavora3507 that is the reason you never quit while you don't have a second job lined up. I quit/put the 2 week notice at my first place when I signed the agreement/contract for my second job. You would be a fool to not do that.
@@apuapustaja1 : Many times, another job offer is not lined up and the employer ends up terminating the employee by setting them up for failure.
@@snehavora3507 unfortunately that does happen. Some bosses are former bullies or bullied kids who are now acting as bullies at workplace. Those situations are quite tough to live in but I do realize I have been fortunate enough to not be involved in them.
Company loyalty nowadays is BS, but you still need to pretend that you are loyal and enjoy working overtime in front of your manager... So be a good actors / actresses
They wonder why society is multiple personality and narcissistic. The mind boggles.
No, you need to have the balls to call them out for their bullshit and build your skills to the point that you can leave the job & easily get other work.
I enjoy working overtime for wages. You would too for $300 for 6 hours. I actually just wish I could work the weekends and get paid overtime because I could do anything else all week and still get 80% of what the mon to fri people get.
@@posthumanistpotato yet IN MANY PLACES in the world, unpaid wages are illegal. They FINALLY nailed that one down as a specific law recently in my state of Australia. Happy they did because now it's not some bs runaround but something that you can sue for without complications and a judges decision is half made with that law on the books.
@@toomuchtruth Calling boss on bullshit is an easy way to get denied opportunity. You have to be stealthy and true goals hidden.
The harder you work, the quicker your boss will buy another Ferrari 😂
I got my first, corporate IT job at 30 years old, 20+ years ago. I thought "now I'll be working with grown ups..." or whatever. But a guy once said, "the real world is just highschool, with money". So true. If you want to climb the corporate ladder, you have to be in the cool clique. If you're not, then don't bother.
Luckily in 2023 make your own clique and say fuk'em.
Go to a local chamber of commerce gathering in a large city. You’ll recognize ALL of “The Breakfast Club” high school stereotypes.
Truest comment I have seen in a long time
So true
That is true in the IT world more than it is elsewhere, for sure.
Good advice. Corporations only value people who have no life outside of the job. They pretend to value individualism and speaking your mind, but that's about the worst thing you could do. Nepotism counts for more than your expensive degree or anything you did for the company. Some people will do or say anything to get that promotion - you will never win against someone like that unless you want to become a person like that - and for what? Eventually the pay cannot make up for your loss of free time and the BS you have to put up with.
I've just given up, all the mum and dad businesses are gone in Australia and I refuse to work for a corporation that will suck me dry, not again anyway. Everytime it comes up in conversation I always feel like it's a bad topic because people think I'm lazy when I'm not, I apply myself very well to any task I put my mind to, but I have wasted years slaving for a business that clearly didn't care about its employees, its consumers or its investors (because it went under the year I was sacked) and when I realised that I had to act the same as all the Chinese people do, I refused. Their entire country is swirling down the toilet and I refuse to partake in action that will make my own country do the same. I'll just be a hermit who does freelance stuff and takes disability cheques.
Oh please… what the heck are you on about? “Some people will do or say anything to get a promotion…..” what could you possibly be IMAGINING is being said? They work harder than you and are more talented than you. They interview for the role and they get it. You cry baby.
Exactly. I've been in a mid level position for a long time at work, because upper management just isn't the place for me. It's nice to go home, leave work at work, and get on with my real life. There's a certain freedom in that. It's not lucrative as the executives, but there's more to life than money.
Ironically, companies want people to have a spouse, kids and mortgage, even though they expect the employee to work long hours. If you're not tied down with kids to feed and a mortgage, you might just get up and quit one day and they can't have that. In job interviews, the hiring manager will make polite small talk hoping you'll reveal that you have kids so you'll be trapped in the job.
Sums it up
In my early 20's I was hired on as a manager at a company. There were people at that company that worked 25 years to become a manager. That's when I realized that climbing the corporate ladder was a joke. I was lucky enough to see behind the curtain.
Hahaha they probably pay you less and you are more willing to do shit than they would not do... it is easier to get someone from.outside
10 years ago: ladder: SE -> Senior SE -> Principal SE
Now: Associate -> Sr. Associate -> SE 1 -> SE2 -> SE3 -> Senior SE 1 -> Senior SE 2 -> Principal SE 1 -> Principal SE 2 -> Distinguished SE etc.
Out of thin air positions are created, you might be hired 4 years ago at SE2 which said 5 years experience required, but now SE2 is 2 years experienced required and you are SE3 now lol
Mgmt whereas is Manager -> Senior Manager -> Director -> Senior Director -> VP
Titles are just pay grades. New hires make it easier to dilute pays between workers. Your pay has to be a third of what the CEO would have to pay the ancients by promoting them.
@@ronaldinhogaucho5460 my mom's friend is a manager at a supermarket and the company is begging him to retire so he can collect his pension. Why? So they can hire a younger guy and pay him half what my mom's friend is making.
@Keith Allan what did you do?
Performance doesn’t matter, in fact being competent or exceptional at your job simply invites jealousy and envy from your colleagues, they’ll do everything to undermine you to your superior’s whilst you’re too busy maintaining your mastery at your job, it’s social networking which counts.
It doesn't matter only in stupid nepo corporations
I've been a software dev for 2 years now and honestly I didn't want to believe a lot of the stuff you were saying about corporate...until I saw it all happen firsthand. They rewarded people for working overtime (on-call) for two weeks with an additional $400. Do the math there : $400/80hrs = $5. So you value your time outside of work at $5 an hour... But people think that $400 is the greatest thing since like sliced bread and they could buy that new set of golf clubs.... And I would ask people about working remote and the response was pretty much well I have weekends to spend doing what I want. Well what about the entire week? It is just absolutely insane to me. Its so far removed from reality and its like people have no idea. I'm actively looking at ways to get out of the corporate world. Keep up the great videos man!
Since I started treating myself like LLC in terms of I am contractor and I am selling my time to company I made decision to quit corporate. And work for myself in completely different business but my reward is basically unlimited. No stupid pay bands or some shit.
I found the perfect game for you to livestream. It is called Going Under. You play as an unpaid intern who dungeon crawls through dead startups.
Going Under is amazing but painful for the first few hours, it's hard!
Something like Heroin Hero?
lolz
😂😂😂😂😂 excellent
The game deserves more attention! It has a lot of nice detail put into it and the devs are mainly just a few recent college grads, which is really impressive!
Gen X here. What Josh said is absolutely correct. It doesn’t matter how good you are at your job. It matters how much of your soul you’re willing to sell and how big of an ass you’re willing to be to your colleagues.
Getting a job is like renting an apartment. You have some immediate stability in your life at the cost of control or ownership.
at one point you will be kicked out, so the lender will replace you with a higher-paying renter leaving you in the nowhere
Owning a house is really no different. You have a mortgage, property taxes, responsible for all of the utilities and you better hope nothing major breaks. You also have a harder time moving vs renting somewhere, you can always leave after the lease. Just hope you have good property management and mature neighbors
Working hard is the biggest lie in corporate work. Of course you have to do your work and meet deadlines. But actually working hard, finishing assignments early, staying busy, and picking up other tasks/responsibilities actually work against you.
Work Alot. Accomplish Little.
The whole concept of working 50 out of 52 weeks of your life is what did it for me.
When you put it like that it really hurts.
You only live for 52 weeks?
Some people die before they hit retirement, and that shit scares me. Imagine you work a whole 40 years from age 18 to 58 and you die before you get to retire... ugh ugh ugh
@@ampersignia I had a friend who's grandfather died two weeks after he retired.
@ Somehow that doesn't seem much better.
Worked a corporate job for 9 years...Then right at a time i was hitting a supposedly peak (got promoted, got a few raises etc) an epiphany hit me that i was giving way too much for no reason and i left...All my colleagues that were climbing the ladder successfully at the time were shocked and told me i was making a huge mistake and the only way from were i was was up the ladder...Long story short here i am 10 years later making excellent money working by myself and ALL of those "golden boys" got fired inside a decade for newer and cheaper alternatives...
What do you do then? What business do you have?
Ive been working for the same company for over 25 years. We can’t retain young professionals because all of them quit after 2 or 3 years If they feel stuck with no career progression. This is one of the things I admire of young people. Older people don’t agree with it at all because we think they want things happen quickly but why would they wait? To be like a 45 years old person like me to get anything happen in their lives? We like it or not working for a company for many years is not always the right choice because you are not in charge of how much you will progress in your career.
I will also add that we only live once! Why would I want to do the same repetitive thing over, and over, and over again for decades on in? When people tell me they worked at the same company for 45 years, and started right out of high school, and are now in their 60s, and they only had like 1 other starter job before they worked for this company...That story to me is incredibly BORING! Most People want varying experiences in life when it comes to the work they did, and don't want to be so complacent! It is great to find a company that you truly are dedicated to, and if it pays well for what you do, then some decide to stick around as lifers. Others just get too comfortable, and keep working at the same place forever because of their relationships with co workers and/or because it is so close to where they live. However, most people want to experience more in life than just 1 or 2, or even 3-4 different employers/jobs in their working life.
No promotion for busting my ass (and rather give it your your kiss ass employee)? Fine, I’ll get my promotion myself.
I'm 44 and making a good jump in pay by moving. You're not old in your 40s. Look around and make yourself presentable. With that I mean: have a resume that talks about what you achieved, not what you did. Instead of "worked as a staff accountant fumbling the numbers for 8 years", you "achieved a 35% cost reduction in XYZ expenses and reduced the quarterly reporting turnaround time by 40%". Or whatever. And keep your skillset a bit current too and make sure you can present it in a positive light.
I’m only 5 years younger than you, and I make my moves when it makes sense. The days of marrying your employer are over. You need to put yourself out there.
God Bless you all. I'm 27, and im sick of these corporations.
The problem is that once you do a job effectively, you become a well fitting cog in a machine.
Managers don't want to move that cog somewhere else in the machine, for the same reason you don't move parts around inside your car engine.
You are where you should be, to them, and they will do anything to keep you there.
"and they will do anything to keep you there"
no they won't , they won't raise your salary even if you want and threaten to leave, they won't give a fck,
the correct meaning is they will do anything to maintain you at a minimum wage there.
@@dh8148 that is correct aswell, you have a bargaining power...
It does get you bargaining power on money..but no lateral moves, try interviewing for positions internally on jobs you like or want to do...!! You would clear all the rounds and in the end recieve a rejection letter.
@@dh8148 I am in a similar situation. The difference is that I won't waste my breath asking for more money yet. I have already started interviewing and asking for more than 15 percent over my current salary without any issues. I pretty much told my managers as much, although not explicitly and now they are scrambling to find me a position in order to keep me. Well, that's going to cost them 20 percent.
Nice analogy
Step 1: have a parent that is a CEO
Step 2: have a family friend that is a CEO groom you to be CEO of his/her company
Step 3: Accept the offer when it comes.
That ain't a lie. It's definitely who you know.
I looked up a bunch of CEOs in my industry and with one exception, this is literally the career path.
Knew someone that went straight from undergraduate to vice president of his dad's company...he knew nothing
This is a great piece of steaming shit worse than the indeed article.
Ya I am rich. I did nothing but was more a billionaire. Let's write a article about how to be born rich and not get screwed by corporate America.
nepotism
The corporate ladder is a joke. I was offered a promotion to Senior Software Engineer without a pay raise... handed in my resignation and moved to another company as a Software Engineer, with a 57% increase in salary. They also mentioned budgeting issues (despite hiring new employees at the same time) and made promises of a bigger raise at the next performance review - I wasn't having any of that and left ASAP. Don't be loyal to a company, be loyal to yourself! I love your videos, we need more of them out here!
The bosses usually promote their incompetent little buddies. I've seen so much of this that I now view most
middle management with suspicion.
As you should
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If you are too efficient, your ideas will outshine them. You become a threat. They dont like that.
Toxic Corporate culture means you have to clap your hands on your boss & executives. Follow where their feet walk. Praise the boss all the time. Let them get your ideas and take the credit from you as being " part of the team" and being a team player.
Years ago I was passed over for a promotion, but I was expected to train the outside hire that was chosen over me. I openly said no and they tried to get me for breach of contract for not training someone that now out ranked me. My contract said, specifically, "train subordinates" and he was not my subordinate...I won that one.
Like a boss, kudos to the courage you showed
How to become a CEO
Step 1: Start a company
Done
Great video!
He saved me years of time climbing the ladder when I can skip the ladder all together 🤣
@@crazymonkey60123 And you can become a millionaire as well, just exchange whatever you have in your pocket for Zimbabwe dollars. Same grade of advice.
@@kamil4151 That's still better advice than "working up the ladder"
It's... FAR HARDER THAN people think. I just ask my sister and she shows me 3 pages of outstanding bills customers are yet to pay in full.
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You have to change “climbing the corporate ladder” to “climbing your ladder” because then you take the power from your employer and put it in your hands.
You decide what role allows you to obtain the skills and experience you want in order to grow your resume. Once you spend time learning, you get to a point where you’re adding value and creating change (or stall out), and a new opportunity arrives - move on.
There are numerous different situations that can occur while you’re in your role that are out of your control, and there is ZERO employer loyalty… Office politics, reorganizations, people in key roles leaving and new ones that come in that are unbearable, wage stagnation… endless.
I’m in the sweet spot of middle management…. a high performer in a good role with good opportunities for projects and good pay; however, I’m not blind to the fact that this could change in a heartbeat. My resume is current and I talk to every headhunter that reaches out to me. This is the way.
I can just imagine people who are deeply ingrained in the "corporate loyalty" mindset clutching their pearls upon hearing this as they continue their long journey towards finding out the unfortunate truth.
The "we'll promote you when a position opens up" thing happened to me. When it opened up, they hired someone who had no business in the position, simply because his parents worked for the company already. When he fucked shit up resulting in the company losing a major customer, they came to me to fix the problem, but with no extra pay or intention to put me in that position permanently because "Your job is production." Not even a "we'll see" just a flat out "no." I told them no, so they went to Geek Squad and they took the company to the cleaners.
When I did get promoted, they fired everyone who would be under me and I was stuck doing the job of 5 people by myself, and I had to keep the rate in the area like there was still 5 people working there. Since the majority of my day was production, they never gave me a supervisor's salary. When confronted, they told me that supervisors make less than I do, which I knew was a lie.
There is a huge shortage of production and cnc technicians. If you are still there, god forbid,
GET Ooooooooooooooooout!
They want you to leave . Managing you out.
I have a tip for those who want to accelerate at climbing the corporate ladder. It's that you shouldn't stay in a company for too long. If you have been working for about two years, whether or not you have gotten a promotion, apply somewhere else that offers better. When you move to another company, you can get a big salary raise, a higher position, or even both. Continue the cycle again until you get to where you want. My father did it and managed to become the managing director of a big company. I'm currently doing the same and so far so good.
Thanks for the tip, make sense to break the loyalty to company bs since they just want to lie, enslave and keep you till the end of your life.
@@PutraRhm You're welcome. It totally makes sense not to be loyal for a company that is most of the time not loyal to you.
100% bro. As a software engineer, I started my own business for that reason. I have a hard time taking orders from people who don't understand the products they manage. It all comes down to knowing your value. Bottom line is, the most valuable people in a company are the ones making the sales, and the ones with the skills to build the products. It's time engineers are paid like sales associates but it won't happen if you don't push back and continue excepting less than you produce.
Reminds me of a corporate ladder story my friend told me: my friend worked for an IT company for about 10 years at the time and told me how there was one guy who started at the same company with him and then left after about 2 years. The guy then got hired back after a year at one level above my friend. The guy left the company again to another company about a year or 2 later. That same guy came back to the company a couple years after that and went 2 more levels up above my friend. Each time the guy came back the raise was like a 20 percent increase each time. When my friend got promoted in the same company he probably got a 10 percent raise. Companies pay more to get people from the outside but will pay you less for a promotion if you stay faithful compared to an outsider. His coworker made more money in the long run hopping around to different companies than staying in one place. Lesson learned.
Orange County OCSO.com in Florida had a senior detective, long term worker(county benefits) "retire" 🕵🏻♂️ & return to the job 3X or 4X. This to me is total nonsense! 😠 HR or the county sheriff should never permit a employee or sworn deputy, cop to swing back & forth. After the 2nd time, you're OUT. Done! 📂 I'm not against allowing older employees a 2nd chance but new, young deputies can not progress or advance if a detective wants to work 35yr or 40yr. Screw that! Work 20-26yr then leave!
yep, they did a statistical analysis on mid career salaries over thousands of job types and employees and after factoring everything they could think of the outcome was that the biggest factor on how much you would be earning in your job by your 40s was how often you changed roles. Loyalty is for suckers and people with no genuine ambition. Change jobs every 2-3 years and you will almost always do better.
Yes, that’s exactly what i did. You’ll never get a bigger jump in pay than when you leave a company
For most people, staying in the same company for a long time isn’t going to result in promotions and meaningful hikes. Changing companies every 3 to 5 years usually gives better hikes and promotions
It was eye opening when I became a manager. I realized just how much influence a manager has over someone's career at that company. Good managers can help you move up, get noticed, and get raises. Bad managers can neglect you, give you no feedback, and never help you grow. Ultimately, each individual is the one responsible for their own career, so it's critical to evaluate whether your manager is a help or a hindrance to your personal career.
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I hope you were the good manager
@@drillingig2368 I think im going to be the shit manager man, I am applying for each position even if I dont have the qualification
@@keloid123 gotta do what you gotta do hustler
Corporate loyalty was a thing of the 20th Century.
In the 21st Century, you must LOOK OUT FOR YOURSELF at all times. No Company is going to value your loyalty. No Company cares about how hard you work for them, or how many times you went above and beyond, or gave extra hours to the Company.
There is no shame in switching Companies every time you find a better compensation and offer. There is no shame in finding a Company that allows you to work from home, gives you a better work life balance, and gives you a good salary. Have no shame, no feelings of guilt, no fear.
Live and create your LIFE according to your values and ambitions, not to please other People or worry about fixing and saving the whole World. You are only here on Planet Earth for a short time, make the most of that.
Such "corporate loyalty" such as it ever existed, was already in its death throes by the early 1970's
I try to tell people in our age group: the higher you climb, the more responsibility you're burdened with. There is no prestige with a title. Yes, you pry make more money, but the money becomes a device of guilt to have you do more and more work, and give up more free time.
If it's worth it to you, more power to you. But I want less stress in my life if I can figure that out.
Manager in general get paid more but do less than Manual labor.
I believe in the field I'm in there is a break off point for amount of work
That last sentence- 100%. Couldn't have said it better.
I prefer a 9 to 5. I've had a company for over 10 years and at the end i had little benefits and closed it down. I'm making less but have more benefits and a better work life balance. No more working on the weekends 😌
It is all age groups not just yours -- this is the way it has always been -- people are people
But there comes a point where the responsibility just falls off a cliff. For example, you are a high ranking worker at a bank. You and some of your colleagues make mistakes which leads to the bank imploding. Instead of being punished, you even get a bonus. Then the bank gets bailed out, essentially privatizing profits while nationalizing debt.
Or another example: Politics.
"climbing the corporate ladder" hasn't been a thing for decades but boomers refuse to recognise that for some reason
Oh they recognize that it's gone, who do you think destroyed it? They just don't want the pleb children to realize so they can have their slaves without the rightful scorn that would be cast upon them if the truth was mainstream.
@@HenshinFanatic unfortunately true
@@HenshinFanatic YEPP. To my father in law, we are lazy for wanting to work from home, but he is allowed to because he “earned it”. They have such a superiority complex over this shit bc if they don’t they’d realize they wasted their whole lives
There was a time in the UK where you could start as an apprentice floor mopper as a teenager and just "work your way up" to become CEO 40+ years later. Nah, that's long gone, dead, buried, not coming back.
If only the boomers understood that. My father worked for the same local company his entire working life and retired in 2018 after 41 years, and he had indeed "worked his way up" from a graduate trainee to sitting on the Board.
I work for a UK multinational corporate giant. It absolutely blows his mind that my manager lives 300 miles away and I've never met her, or that some people in London are part of a small team with colleagues based in Illinois and Germany.
Your advice is what I do in my career and I have to say it works well. Overall career goal: maximize salary, minimize stress/active hours.
Yep, because your company's goals is to minimize salary, maximize stress/active hours.
Companies complain about young people changing jobs frequently and not having loyalty. And it’s all from a failure to understand that every relationship is a two way street. Loyalty, investment, and support have to flow both directions, but companies no longer have loyalty to their employees, they don’t support their employees, and they don’t invest in their employees. You noticed how in the last 5-10 years “benefits package” have been reduced to BS single digit discounts on random things and the bare minimum? “We have a health pan and .5% 401k matching we have great benefits” Okay? Do we clap when a fish swims?
Poverty is the parent of revolution and crime.
This happens to my father, til now. He works for construction companies for 25+ years, leave his family, wives, kids back home for projects in rural areas. Many people here dont know the concept of work life balance so much so that they dont realize theyve spent their lifetime working.
Nothing will actually help you climb that ladder unless you give up your life and self respect while kissing someone's ass who probably doesn't even know your name. I can only speak for myself but I'd much rather enjoy my life and job vs climbing an invisible/useless ladder I'd hate myself for in the end. Life is too short and I'll never waste another second trying to prove my worth and dedication to companies who don't care if I'm alive or not. Stay safe Josh! Thanks again!
This comment is so underrated 👍👍👍 Very true ✅✅✅
@@anoopg23 thank you! It was terrible I felt like such an idiot. Lost friends had no life but had money a house a car. But none of it meant anything because I had nobody to share it with. If I wasn't at work I was working from home in one way or another. Keeping their website running and the daily routine of making sure it was updated. Keeping all the listings updated/posted in the MLS etc. Rarely slept or ate but hey I thought WOW they're gonna be impressed and I'll become a huge asset. Nope. I was just another employee who fell for the idea of climbing that ladder. I'll never do it again. I lost myself and that was when I started to understand that if I didn't quit, I'd become the job. It was a learning experience that I'm actually grateful for now. Without it I'd never understand the importance of being happy with your job and how to leave work at work to enjoy life.
@@JennaBomb Exactly. I too had went thru the same phase, but now I'm totally free. Zero regrets. Total Peace ✌️
@@anoopg23 I'm right with you! ✌✌✌😀😉😝 glad you got out of that cycle too. It's a dead end.
@@JennaBomb Your company now gives flexible schedules, nice benefits, inclusion, etc.?
I realized that my ability to climb the corporate ladder died when I became disabled. If I self-disclosed for them to get credit for employing the disabled I’m suddenly less capable. If I don’t disclose, I can’t perform as well without accommodations. When I did perform so well that I had to be promoted I was promoted to a trash job.
The heck with it. I’m not climbing anymore. I’m doing my job well then going home to live my life.
This video is great! I was just writing about this a couple of days ago. The only bit that is missing is that the corporate ladder gets narrower and narrower the higher up you go, and that has numerous implications. First of all, not everyone can make it. In fact, very few people can ever make it. That's an inevitable feature of the structure. Second, since it gets narrower the higher you go, the more you have to compete for the position, which means you have to be completely ruthless. You have to step on other people to climb. Finally, you have to give up more and more of your time and energy. You have to have no life of your own, just for the faint possibility that you may get to the top. Sounds like a pretty bad deal to me.
All the advice from 11 minutes into the video is totally correct, and I took 20 over years to learn this. I'm a Director now, but I "climbed" the ladder by switching companies every few years (3-4 years is roughly the sweet spot but it can vary from industry to industry, where it's long enough to look like you're stable and loyal but short enough to build up skills and experience which you can take to your next job, where you go up a rung or two on the ladder). Bottom line, it's YOUR ladder which you should be thinking about as you have control over it. It's not the company's ladder which as Joshua mentions is totally out of your control, no matter how well you suck up to the bosses, EVERYBODY is expendable.
This video really resonated with me. I spent donkeys years spinning my wheels in the corporate world. I eventually accepted the truth that the corporate world was not for me, but for many of those years I was simply in denial and kept thinking things would eventually get better, if I persevered just a bit longer. They didn't. I quit for good and went out on my own and have never looked back. Corporations (esp big ones) are only ever looking to do what's best for themselves which often means downsizing. Tjhey don't give a shit about their staff. Small business is what lifts economies out of recession. Small business also elevates and respects their staff.
Quit a small company. They changed the CEO. She wants to make the company a big company. So, she started implementing big company ideas on this small company, such as cutting costs. There was a rumor around the company where she let a few of the older employees go. Rumors were bad. I ended up quitting because everyone that I knew for a decade either retired or quit. I also wasn't getting promoted anymore. I was just stuck. I just got more work and more bullshit from the new, incompetent employees.
Being self employed was the best career choice I ever made. My brief experience in Corporate America was enough for me.
I worked for IT company for over 5yrs, the company employed some juniors and asked me to train them and manage their work, due to increase responsibility I requested promotion to become Tech lead, they refused and I left, later I found out that they actually promoted one of the juniors I was training to the position I wanted. It is CRAZY and madness, few months later I heard the company lost the contract that my project was part of, I said to myself this is interesting!!!!
I’ve found the most common corporate dead end is firing veterans in their occupation because they “make too much” then hiring younger, less competent, and inexperienced people to divide up that one fired persons workload into many different job duties, with entry level pay. Essentially barring all hope of a worthwhile career anywhere.
And then wondering why the 2-3 people they've replaced the Veteran Employee with can't do the job the experienced worker could.
I respect you so much Josh. Found your channel 2 weeks ago. Your personal videos have helped me gain so much insight. Your authenticity really shines. Learned a lot from you. Thank you
This video is too real. I worked at a company in a junior position, and an executive noticed my experience/background and put me in charge of a large project. I did a great job, and I thought my hard work at that level would earn me a promotion with the powers that be. Nope. They took my work, fired the executive who saw my potential and bullied me for months before I decided to quit. I saved my experience from that job and now use it on my resume.
Wow that’s crazy they fired that executive!! Glad you left!!
I have seen similar things in past jobs: favorites of a manager were suddenly at the other chain end when a new manager or director took charge. It is common that a new leader uses his own trustful "favorites" and minimizes the former ones independent on work and performance.
@@MB-or8js you hit the nail on the head
@@MB-or8js true
My grandmom worked for walmart for 35yrs. Never late, never called in, never talked back.
Never got promoted. Never got a raise. Never got benefits. 35yrs.
Ya know what she did get? A monthly income of 800$/m in SSI at age 68.
16 years working costco, never promoted, born 100% deaf
I'm laughing at what he's saying because it is so true. After working in a company where they laid off everyone in our building, it clicked that it doesn't matter. You work for them, you are just a resource that can be used up and discarded.
Well, that's why it's called Human Resource (Department), right?
Managing the stock of exploitable workforce and securing its proper functioning.
how to climb the corporate ladder:
Kiss ass
-answer your phone every damn time. No matter if it is a weekend or vacation.
-learn to betray your peers. Their friendship means nothing in the long term.
-say goodbye to a healthy life.
None of what you mentioned is a guarantee for a promotion, what it does guarantee is you're a person not to be trusted, can be easily manipulated and care more about a career than your personal well being.
@@RiffMaker local man doesn't know what sarcasm is
@@StubbyTheGiant local man not a mind reader either, when typing to strangers you do need to explain your intentions.
@@RiffMaker Sarcasm aside, this really does happen in real life. Many people do get promoted in this way. With none of the consequences you mentioned. There are a lot of dysfunctional workplaces.
@@RiffMakerlocal man is kinda dumb. You dont have to be a mind reader to know that a clearly sarcastic comment is clearly sarcastic.
In my 21 years of investment banking, you can only climb it if your father is the head of the department who sits in the corner office.
When our team leader resigned, I wanted to apply to his position. I was like, what would I lose if I try? We had good relationship so I asked him about the position during his notice period. He said, the benefits are great, but it will only bring lot more hours, soul killing corporate meetings, more responsibility and more stress, and pressure from various directions. Forget 9-5, meetings and calls late in the evening, even in the weekend. He didn't want to discourage me, he just wanted to be honest and make me see clear. That was the reason he resigned and the same reason I didn't apply.
Even if you play the game the way they want, there are a lot of other people trying too. Only so much room at the top. That advice to start your own business really is the best.
@@manco828 llc basically means starting your own mini-business?