Hey there! My name is Liam and I'm the guy in this video! Thanks so much for your input. I always find it really fascinating to get some insight into the stories of other creators and a lot what you said smacks pretty 1:1 with my experience. Also, big fan of the main channel! I have a 20 minute walk to my office and a new KiraTV video usually slots in quite nicely during that time!
He makes a lot of valid points but I think he's missing out on a few. 1. Losing Everything Overnight RUclips, or any content creation site, doesn't have the same safety nets as regular employment. At any time you can be terminated. Maybe a series of false flags, copyright trolls, false strikes, or RUclips changing the policy. If you depend on this income, even employ people, if can lead to a nightmare filled hell when dealing with sudden changes like this. 2. Parasocial relationships You've already done a great video on this Kira but the reality is that sometimes you're going to attract unsavory people on this platform. Some who decide to take extremes. I'm not talking negative comments, I mean the type of stuff you inform the police about. It's truly a terrifying moment when this happens and having experienced it multiple times it never gets easier.
Yeah those are two valid points, I will however push back a little on them both. The first, that's true for everything. So I think while it's worth discussing and definitely pushing for better, more transparent systems to prevent this, you're not really safe from it in any other walk of life either. You can lose your job, your career can be made redundant by tech advancements, you can lose your business, in other industries too. In fact there's very few industries that this isn't applicable. Now you can respond and say, very rightly, that working another job gives you experience, perhaps you have graduated school with credentials and therefor can just get another job...But that's the same for youtube. If you lose your youtube channel but you were successful, you built up skills that you can sell to other youtubers or businesses as there's a lot of things you need to do to get to that stage. For the second, absolutely this is an issue, but you can almost 100% avoid this. Not all channels are the same. If you're not using your face, or your name in your content, you can pretty much just skate by without it ever having an impact. But most people of course do use their own identity as their branding which can be valuable.
You nailed it about the criticism being overwhelming for most people. I work a job in medical records and being accurate is pretty much the whole job. Your work is checked and you are notified of any mistakes. These are no judgement, purely informative log of mistakes so you can learn. No hard feelings. And almost no new hire can handle being told they are wrong 15 times a day. That's with no malice and everyone assuring them this is normal and they are doing fine. RUclips (or any public facing career) is not nearly that kind. I think people do not realize how seldom you are criticized to your face and what a poor tolerance one might have for it.
Most people dismissing it for one reason or another just can't conceptualise how the problem scales when it happens all the time and you can't easily escape it. Kinda like men talking about street harassment.
I relate to all of this. I had a podcast that did very well. I regularly placed top in my category and broke top 10 overall in Apple charts many times. I was pulling 40k listens an episode. The issue is that I was putting in 20 hours a week just for a 20 minute episode. This was on top of a full time job and family. All would have been good but the ad revenue never materialized. While some of it was my fault, my content wasn’t appealing to advertisers. I wasn’t interviewing celebrities or talking about murder. So my show got lost in the sea of shows. I gave up after 3 seasons from burnout.
@@FranNyan exactly. I was too late to the Patreon game. I relied on a very poor management company to handle my sponsorships. Trying to wear all the hats was a huge mistake on my part. I couldn’t afford help but needed it. Cheers
I have a pretty similar story as to how I got into editing. I had a job, lost it early into COVID and moved back in with my parents. Decided to give editing a shot and basically took a year to improve on those skills while being paid nothing/next to nothing until I finally landed a decent editing job, and then in the past year or so I moved on from that one to a well paying job working for a larger channel. Took working basically full-time just to build up the skills and portfolio for a full year, then another year of the same amount of work for just above minimum wage, to now be at the point that I'm pretty comfortable. Edit: I should also note I did have a small amount of editing experience prior to losing my job, but it was super rough and I was terrible, didn't understand pacing, etc.
Nice dude. Yeah I often say living at home with your parents actually puts you in a much better position than almost everyone else in terms of leveling up your life into something new, especially now days with how many high paying remote jobs can be created out of thin air with some dedication and drive.
that's encouraging ^_^ i've been spending a lot of time learning how to use digital tools for image and video creation and manipulation, but just for my own amusement. it has, at this stage, taken over a thousand hours of my life up, and i'm starting to think i may eventually have to turn it into a potential money earning skill instead of just a thing i'm doing for no reason at all. i don't even post most of what i make, it's just for me, because i don't like social media or lots of attention, at most i send my stuff to a few individuals that i think would like it. editing somebody else's stuff behind the scenes feels more like i role i could look into pursuing. i'm very happy for you!
Do you mind sharing what specific tools/applications you learnt to get into editing? Well done for doing the grind and getting a full time job that's awesome bro!
@@UncleSkiBum I started out with Sony Vegas but by the time I had started taking it seriously I had switched over to Premiere Pro and After Effects. I've also heard very good things about DaVinci Resolve and have considered switching but don't feel like remaking presets and stuff lmao
the concept of being a RUclipsr is alluring. but when thinking about it, for me, it feels like I'd be taking what I do to unwind and relax and making it work. so then I'd no longer enjoy it. I'd say it's not a hard physical job, but I have no doubt it gets challenging mentally. having experience doing physical work (carpet/flooring installation) and mental work (COBOL programmer) I've found that the mental job is much harder to relax from. it's really hard to turn off your brain, while just sitting or lying down after a hard day of physical labor is all it takes to relax
That's for sure an obscure but true point. Especially since your entire growth and earnings both current and future are entirely dependent on yourself. Which means if you do have a form of obsession, you wind up just constantly thinking of random shit to do or researching random things constantly, eating into your other time. I've not had a real vacation since I started youtube. I take my laptop and I'm constantly writing or researching. I lay in bed at night thinking of video ideas and have to write them in my phone. It's a 24/7 job.
@@kirareacts oh I fully believe that. Try all you want, that brain is going to keep churning out ideas. Would be too much for me, so full respect and props to you and all those that do RUclips. I know I greatly appreciate the work you put in
My brother says this, too. He's a carpenter, but says he can just punch out, and that's it, he's done for the day. But my sister & I (HR and IT, respectively) are getting pinged on the way to/from work, on weekends, etc. Work/life boundaries are important - if they're not externally-imposed, my exp is it's vital to find a way to impose them. (I was off work today, and my VP sends me a non-emergency "urgent" msg, despite my OOO status. I answered the problem with a one-liner, then said "back to laundry" = "I don't work for you today" 🙄)
The RUclipsr dashboard thing does sound like shit, and it makes RUclips's whole "we got rid of dislikes because we care about your mental health!" shtick ring incredibly hollow because, as I understand it, they ram that thing right into your eyeballs.
If I remember from those surveys, they weren't single choice - kids could tick off multiple jobs they'd be happy with when they were older, so it's not like 30% *exclusively* chose RUclipsr/Vloggers - almost all of them had chosen other careers they'd also be happy with.
4 months late but kids also change their opinion almost daily. When I was a kid I wanted to be an astronaut. Then I wanted to be a game designer. 14 years later I'm a Sr. Security Engineer lol. These stats don't mean much if the demographic is young enough.
The line “your life isnt designed for you to do well on RUclips” (or however you said it) is very true. Ive been uploading for 6 years, reinvented my content multiple times. Marriage, kids and work have made things slow for channel growth. I put in what time i can spare, upload things I enjoy, and maybe one day it will make more than my job. Starting as an established adult is tough for sure.
Liam is a pretty standup guy, I think, and I think exemplary of the low barrier-to-entry intersecting with the dream of modest success pursuing niche interests. He's like a commentary channel but for One Piece and Hunter X Hunter (primarily), and while those are two of the biggest shonen series out there, they're still a relatively niche thing to be able to build a life around in comparison to the sheer amount of traffic things like tiktok dance trends or mainstream movies. He's also one of the few manga/anime channels that don't put spoilers in the thumbnail and title, which I respect immensely, because it would be an incredibly easy way to drive traffic to his videos. Most of the bigger channels in his niche will put panels or screencaps in the thumbnail from leaks (even before a chapter's official release) and spoil huge plot points like character deaths in the title. It spoils it even for people who don't watch those channels, since they get boosted into people's recommendations. Good on you, Liam.
I can heavily relate to the "real" job thing. I am a programmer working from home, employed and still people saying like: Ah so you getting (so much) money by watching youtube all day. I am just wtf? Do you think apps or websites are made in 5 minutes and we dont do anything?
34:21 This is really relatable. I work in game development and have been told similar things by friends I've known for 10+ years. I never knew how much it could hurt to work my ass off 7 days a week for 2 straight years, only to be told, "Yeah, but you don't ACTUALLY do any work though. You just sit at your pc all day." I know it's a load of bollocks and they don't know what they're talking about, but it's still painful to hear people downplay the hard work, time and effort that you put into something, especially when you have to reluctantly sacrifice so many things in order to achieve your goals. I've had this mainly from a couple of friends here and there, and I couldn't imagine dealing with it on the scale that RUclipsrs do. Definitely not a profession for me.
Can confirm editing suuuuuuucks lol. Realizing that these 5 hours of gameplay can be cut down to just over an hour(or about 4 short 19 min long videos....) is kinda crushing. Especially when you realize that what you have left doesn't really match the rest of the videos in the series... and now you have to kinda plan out how to do stuff to come back closer to the videos..... I just... feel bad for my 6 subscribers. I'm trying to be better about doing videos, but I'm still more in the "it's a hobby" mindset, and while I'd like to be more into the money making aspect of it, I'm glad I'm not bogged down by that just yet. It lets me build myself up piece by piece. ^.^ And holy crap sir! Multiple Kira videos this week, leaves me good stuff to listen to! Thanks much!
Can i just say that your house move made you be sorely missed, and now that you are back my mornings are way more entertaining again. Love your channels!
Cracking video dude. Really enjoyed your commentary on this. You actually added some value to what he was already saying...unlike a lot of the crap react videos. Always like your stuff. Also...I wouldn't be able to do what you do. It would destroy me, I just don't have the mindset or motivation needed to do well.
I always love hearing insiders of any industry talk about their craft. Both the original video and your additions were very informative and interesting to listen to.
It's the consistency that impresses me from creators I watch. They keep at it for years and years, not discouraged by how slowly their subscribers grow. It's a character trait I don't have. I'd last maybe a year before giving up.
As part of my counseling psychology doctoral education, I took courses and saw some clients for vocational counseling. Your video, and the one you commented on, cover many of the most important issues in choosing a career or job focus. I will be forwarding it to some people I know who are agonizing about career decisions and hope that someone doing career counseling/teaching will incorporate it (with permission from/payment to, you) in their curriculum. Thank you!
The thing I find funny about the figures the video cites is that it shows that Astronaut is the most desired dream job in China as if that isn't an equally impossible dream to achieve. Billions of people have always wanted to be astronauts since the profession has existed, but if you look at how many people have actually become astronauts across the globe, the number is less than 10,000 people. It's the same with RUclips imo, don't let the volume of people who share your dream stop you from pursuing it. Because the chances are that the majority of people that want to be a RUclipsr, won't ever lift a finger to actually try and become one.
Definitely confirmed my exact thoughts towards RUclips. Being a creator sounds and is enjoyable+rewarding, but it’s damn near impossible to make it work with a full time job, spouse, social life, bills, responsibilities, etc. Onto the next idea…
Yup. Having anyone in your house makes it very hard. When I try to record videos the kids think that is the time stomp up and down stairs and slam doors, and then my partner will walk in mid recording and ask some unrelated question she already knows the answer to. I genuinely enjoy making content and it is frustrating to feel like the only way I can pick it up again is to move out. I don't even want a career on YT, I just have content I want to make. And this is before factoring in a full time job. Watching other people getting laid off right now and I am sitting here like "You lucky S.O.B!"
In my life, my mom is a professional painter and she constantly has to deal with people thinking she doesn't do "Real Work" because they don't know how much work she actually does and they only see the pretty paintings in galleries or art fairs.
People undervalue the Arts, and it's been getting way worse in the last 20yrs or so, even in cultures that used to have high respect for artists. Also, if it doesn't reveal your own/her identity, you should name-drop your mom's work :)
If you have an interesting life, you can probably make interesting blogs or vlogs. Unfortunately, not everyone is interesting enough to do blogging or vlogging as a full-time job.
As a self-employed artist, my response when asked , “what’s the plan if the art thing doesn’t work out” is always, there is no other plan. I’ve chosen this path and I’ll take whatever steps are necessary and adapt to make it work. If you already have an out then you’ll be constantly plagued by doubt and loose sight of what you really want. It took me way too many years to cast off other people’s expectations of how a life should be led.
yeah I do art too and the fact that my country has a really good welfare system has taken the edge off my motivation to succeed through art. It's a pain lol
I’m fortunate to be privileged enough to pursue my passion at this point in life. I worked so many different jobs for others and tried to squeeze into the molds people laid before me. I just couldn’t do it anymore, life being too short to be miserable, while toiling to make other people’s dreams a reality.
I've heard that if you have a plan B if your plan A doesn't work out, you aren't as invested in your plan A as you think you are. So, they need to leave you alone.
I watched Asmon's video before watching this one, but I enjoyed hearing your perspective as well. First video I've seen of yours but I really enjoyed listening! Last year was the first year I've ever found real "success" on RUclips, which is still small compared to many. But it took me many years of trying and testing and figuring out what works and what I'm good at. Not one year, not two or three, literally like 8 years. But I just have never given up because I enjoy it. Crazy? Probably? Worth it? We'll see in the future. 😅 For me, it's something I enjoy and I get something out of creating so I keep going.
I feel trying to be a youtuber/twitch streamer is like gambling, every video/stream is that next roll of the dice, maybe just maybe THIS will be the one.
And Google makes billions in revenue doling out that sickly-sweet dopamine hit from variable rewards 😓 I didn't know the "Congrats, you're a failure" stuff from the analytics side - that's just abusive & messed-up.
As an artist who's been building my audience and following my dream in the last 6 months or so I imagine that the fundamental experience is the same. After all, you're making a creative product unique to you as an individual and both marketing it and selling it. A job is a job, period. And if you're going to be your own boss and do your own thing like this, you've got to be absolutely insane in your dedication to it. As an example I am probably drawing on average 10-12 hours a day (and not all of it is a presentable product) and probably spending another hour or two networking and marketing. I probably don't get to sleep til about 3-4 every night. And I'm not even working for money yet, I'm just working for an audience in general lol. Am I growing constantly and making some money? Yep. Is it as easy as just doing what I love all day? NONONONONONOOO. It's a grind bro, and it's not just a grind, it's a grind that can take years of no or little appreciation or money (unless you are incredibly lucky, of course) that has to consistently put out interesting and new content which is so insanely difficult to do when you're utterly exhausted. No one sees behind the curtain. Of course a creator isn't going to sit and harp on the hard times, unless your name is DSP lol I will say, I have the advantage of being from a family that is willing to support me in this, both emotionally and financially as long as it will take. Having to do this entirely on my own, I'm not entirely sure I'd be able to keep it up. I think that's such a valuable component to the successful creator equation. Anyway, thanks for the video. It was interesting to hear your perspective on this. I was able to empathize with a lot more than I thought I would.
Hi Kira, shooting out videos like a machine gun recently (love it). Thanks for the content, everybody has a job and what you do as a job helps me stay sane doing my job
I'm an indie game developer and I feel a lot of this. I've been told many times that it's not a valuable job that contributes to society, or that it's just "playing games", "when are you going to enter the workforce and get a real job?", or even if they react positively they ask me if I've "made anything [they] know", which is always kind of funny. There are thousands of studios out there. You'll statistically probably never hear about anything I make. I usually just tell people now that I'm a software engineer, and I get way less questions, and they seem to think it's way more valid as a career.
Lmfao “enter the workforce and have a real job?” That’s annoying man. It literally makes no sense. If you get paid for a job that’s not illegal, you’re part of the work force. Whether it’s gig work or some niche job serving a niche group of people.
I feel ya. You still going to get some sort of stigma from certain people especially if people that are your parents. When my Asian parents and I went over to AT&T to upgrade our phones last year, the salesguy asked each of us on what do we do for a living. I decided to tell the guy for the heck of it that I was a RUclips Content Creator. His reaction seemed to be okay with it, but my parents on the other hand, their reaction wasn't exactly okay.
They probably think that a job you do for passion is invalid. If those people who ask those questions hate their job, they always can try changing. Maybe that will change their mind.
Hey, being an artist is definitely better than doing some bullshit job with no chance to have any posibtive impact ever. If you actually get a game out, there at least is a chance that someone else has fun with it. And you propbably had more fun making it than normally people have working just to make ends meet.
I made a couple of videos playing Arma 2 many years ago. Mainly just to see what it is like to make one, how hard or easy it is. Some of the guys I played coop with wanted to know about the "Lost" singleplayer scenario I was playing. I was like: "Yeah, fuck that. That is hard work . . ." Always have had respect for people who do this well! And you are one of the Kira! A very effective creator.
Good video, it was very thorough and I enjoyed your input and your own stories. Never occured to me you'd have trouble finding a place to rent as a youtuber, that was good to know. We all toy with the idea that we could do it now and then, but videos like this are a great reality check!
I really like the honesty it gets old hearing the same you can do it if you put your mind to it bull shit. Like ya you can but that doesn't tell you the struggle or cost like you so clearly laid out for everyone here. Love it
I also think it’s worth mentioning that some of the issues you bring up could be much worse for certain sorts of people who do this. I imagine, for example, that women would experience more harassment in general and more often face stalker type stuff. Although, of course, these things happen to men as well. I have zero interest in becoming a RUclipsr but since I am more sensitive to the stuff, I imagine I would kind of try to do the stuff where my actual real life identity and image was not on screen. Like, maybe cooking.
I didn't know "HandTubers" were a thing until I saw some videos on dice-making (Ryzen, I think) and Lockpicking Lawyer. Also have a theory that part of the appeal (to creators) of VTubers is that you get the benefits of "being your brand" while also preventing [some] folks from latching on to the person behind the screen. It's wild though that folks have to come up with these sorts of workarounds for what should be a fun/entertaining activity and/or career.
@@mandisaw Yeah, i kept having to adjust the volume while listening because Kira's lovely voice would be too loud after having to turn it up to hear the video he was commenting on.
To be fair to kids, the space program has been dead for ages, teachers are overworked and underpaid, and almost all kids want a "fun" job where they can have fun and be famous. RUclipsr/vloger/famous on the internet is a very logical choice for a kid to want to be when they grow up. "I wanna be like the people I see on TV/Hear about on the Radio/Read about in my books!" has just morphed to "See on the internet" Eventually something new and shiney will come along and bump that out of the spot.
[US context] The space program is not dead at all, this is the most active I've seen it since the start of the Shuttle era. Both NASA and the commercial [aero]space industry employ everyone from mission specialists [astronauts] to engineers, and lots of non-tech jobs you wouldn't think of, from historical archivists to psychologists. What's changed is that families & schools no longer take kids to museums or planetariums, don't do Stargazer Nights, and for all the talk of STEM, don't actually expose kids to the sciences or engineering. We get lots of cool SF/Fantasy shows & movies, but much of it, and all the "hard" SF is geared to older audiences (The Martian, Interstellar). No gee-whiz science demos in class, and only PBS seems to put out any "science is fun" content these days. A lot of K-12 science is taught by folks who don't actually know, or love, science, and few schools have decent facilities. Makes it hard to inspire that sense of wonder, that sense of wanting to know what's out there. There's also the issue that most people in the US have crappy math skills, but that wouldn't affect this sort of "what if" survey of kids.
@@mandisaw The space program *was* functionally dead until fairly recently. It was off the radar of most people entirely not long after the cold war ended, outside of stuff about the ISS, or if you lived in range of one of the launch pads. Short blips of "new cool photo from a probe" and "nooo, the mars robot, nooooo" in the larger public consciousness that were disconnected from what used to be the big draw of being an astronaut. Space went from being a cool thing to being a "nerd" thing. It wasn't a famous hero job, it was a science job. And there's no budget for things that don't directly affect standardized test scores in schools, so when planetariums break and have a hard time getting repaired. I remember getting to see the planetarium my district had *once* back in the 80s when I was back in elementary school. Then it broke and they couldn't fix it. When I was doing astronomy and physics for elementary school teaches in college, the telescope on campus was also broken, and there were no funds to get it repaired. Without a space race, there's no reason for the state to pay for these programs to get kids interested in space. And with all the micromanagement of public schools, there's almost no way for teachers to work in anything that could inspire kids to really get into science. (Still bitter about the one school I worked in where a school board mandate resulted in over half the freshman class routinely failing science, to the point where they split it up into two half courses to give the kids a chance to graduate on time. I have many opinions on the state of education after working the admin and special ed side of public school for too long.... don't even get me started about math teachers, I could rant for *years* )
@@FranNyan Yeah, I quit the classroom 20yrs ago, and prefer to just scratch that teaching itch occasionally. The students are great, but they're being done a massive disservice in so many ways.
@@FranNyan To the point here, though, I think you have to distinguish between space in the popular American consciousness, versus what NASA et al actually do. The unmanned program has gone farther, and done more, than could've ever been imagined during the height of the Cold War, or could ever be possible with manned exploration. Way beyond the Rover program, although that in itself is mind-boggling. Space among the US public suffers from short-attention-span syndrome crossed with a growing disconnect between people's tech-saturated lives and their actual grasp of, or interest in, the underpinnings of that tech. People walk around with supercomputers, and push their kids from 8-28 into coding bootcamps, but don't know / care to know what the parts of a computer even are, let alone how they work, or might be improved. Even with health sciences being a high-demand field, that has an obvious "how does this affect me" factor, the staggering ignorance around even basic biology was put on neon-lit display these past 3yrs. You're certainly right that the budget & administration priorities of schools plays a big part here, but gotta say this is 60% (or more) a family & community attitude issue. Money isn't the [main] issue - there's a ton of "free science": from naked-eye astronomy, to collecting rocks & leaves, to just watching nature and talking/reading about what you observed. Used to read all kinds of books from the school & public library, leaflets/worksheets & textbooks/encyclopedias in school, and just looking around when I was outside. Now that shit is all free online & searchable. The main issue is that parents and communities, all across the US, across income-lines, don't put any value on science/STEM education - they *claim* to, but actions say otherwise. Children will absorb whatever they're exposed to, or in this case, what they're not.
KiraTV Hope you see these comments, I started watching you because I loved your talks on crypto and you seem so knowledgeable about business too. This was amazing, I couldn't agree with you more. I'm trying to start RUclips and I feel taxed already and I've not even uploaded a video! I love your internet stories but please consider going down the business/marketing avenue, you have so much to share! PS I'm originally a Londoner, I thought you were from "Oop North" because of your accent but you seem to be in the US so interested in where you're from. I too have a chronic illness so I know how tough it can be. Keep strong, always remember there are a lot of us who love what you do. ❤️
I'm from the Midlands, never been to the US in my life, live in thailand. If there's antrhinf specific you think would make for an interesting video just drop me a comment on discord as I'm more likely to see it. Sorry to hear about your health
I admit. I fell for the title bait and expected something quite different but this was far more interesting than what my preconceptions rendered in my mind. Thank you!
Great vid Kira. I’ve been planning for a year now to start a yt channel. I have hundreds of clips of my friends and I playing games (were pretty funny sometimes ) and after seeing this video I think I’ll finally invest in all the necessary equipment and software. I already have a solid computer I jus needed a video like this to get me started. Cheers brother
people consider it not a real job because it's not productive work, it's just entertainment and advertising. the only thing that legitimizes it as a job is that it makes money, but the 'work' itself does not contribute any value to your community, that's why people are dismissive about it. for contrast, someone who works a real job like construction creates real tangible value where he works by contributing to the creation and maintenance of buildings and infrastructure. people can see the results of that work, and that's why they respect it as real work regardless of how much he is paid for it. youtubing has nothing like that, which is why people don't inherently respect it.
Even though youtube is something anyone can do, it's not something everyone will excel or even succeed at. it takes a lot of resilience to make it. even though i've never tried or have any interest in trying, i can understand it is extremely hard work and not everyone is cut out for it. i see it a lot like olympic sprinting. anyone with a functioning pair of legs can run, but not everyone will make it to the olympics, and even less people will win the 3 best placements. and either you agree or not, it has also shown to be a short lived career for the vast majority (much like a career in sports). sooner or later you will hit your prime, begin to fall and lose relevancy. this will happen to everyone. even pewdiepie who has been the exception has been slowing down and dropping over time. it's a natural thing. and much like athletes, you'll rarely pick up other skills that are relevant outside of youtube (maybe i media in general, but that's it. also a market over saturated and with lots of competition). what will you do when shit hits the fan and everything comes crashing down? just look at edp. he fucked up BIG time and now he's not even eligible to work as a cashier. I deeply respect people who survive and thrive in this medium, whether i like their content or not. It's certainly not made for everyone
Really nice video. But about doing RUclips for a year without any income: Studying (+ working to pay rent) took me 6 years for my masters degree and now I have to do 18 months of induction while getting paid just enough to survive - it's not like earning money in "real" jobs is a given. If I look at the drop out rate and people who fail in the induction, this is also not without risk. But it's still much more risk and to become a RUclipsr as you also need to find the right niche that will generate enough revenue after you people notice you.
This is coming from a Chinese (Well from Guangzhou area in the south), most Vloggers or "Internet celebrity" (Since in Mainland China doesn't officially have RUclips, except in Hong Kong and Macao although alot of videos from Mainland do get published in RUclips officially), most of the Internet vlog celebrity in Mainland China focus on the "Countryside living" where we see village people show their daily life, like taking their kids to the city, eating dinner or meeting friends and family. Well there was also videogame Twitch types as well, but since there are way too much of them, become run of the mill. The above I mentioned who show their daily life in countryside is like a TV soap opera although no made up drama or anything.
Yeah... as an author, I also get those "you don't even do REAL work" comments. I know all sorts of artists and editors and writers who get the same comments too... I think people tend to say this about almost anything creative. It's par for the course in a way that's pretty disheartening, especially when it comes from people you know. I wonder if that attitude will ever change... but it's hard to guess.
Seeing as technological advances like AI art increasingly diminishes opportunities for creative jobs, I'd say it's just going to get worse. All the more incentive to get a 'real' job. Slaving hours for work that ultimately doesn't amount to anything for the world at large.
well seeing what you guys are doing is a Real Job. because you put work into your content and you get payed for it, a good example is that a foot ball player is also a part of the labor force. they work for there team and they get payed for it. its physical and mental just in a different area. its not what you do its that you do something to get payed for it. i do models and such on blender and make textures. i have some experience in editing. all that takes time, and effort. like it took me 5 days to make a armor set on blender. not the best looking but still too time out my day. took me 6 months to make a collection. hell even when using assets to make something cool takes a whole day.
People focus way too much on the successful youtubers / streamers that make a ton of money. Makes sense, you never see / hear of the ones that don't make it, but all the kids that want to be the next Ninja don't think things through. The thing is, in most other professions, even if you are not the top. 0.01% you can still make a living. If you're an average plumber putting in 40h, you can survive. This isn't even remotely true for content creation.
I mean what that guy and Kira say is pretty accurate I've been on RUclips for almost 10 years it's not easy I work an eight-hour job come home stream for 4 hours take a break and in-stream for another 4 hours everyday
I often want to film my work fixing electronics, interesting data recoveries, also lots of ideas about gemological content, I'm a part time lapidary, etc etc but when I set up a camera and watch that content I'm like "it wasn't worth losing 1/2 hours filming and certainly not worth editing it for another 2 hours..." Eh
When people ask me what I do, I legitimately tell them, "I yell at people on the internet for a living." Tends to be a weird enough response that they don't try to follow up.
Was here since your MMORPG days, the RUclips grind is much tougher than the grindiest of MMO grinds. I gave RUclips a try for 6 months during COVID unemployment as a musician. Trying to upload something every week destroyed me mentally. Do not recommend (for most people)!
Interesting how a long of points against being youtube are the same thing you can say about trying to be an artist... always at work, always learning and growing knowledge, and long time to get a payout from your effort.
To be honest, I make gaming content for my other channel mainly for myself. I get something like 100 views a month, but it's more about just getting something done regularly and producing something than it is about actually entertaining or getting views.
Happy for your success and hoping your health is good, big fan of your work, you do a great job with the research and topics. You're a humane person and you've got a good head on your shoulders. The whole "real job" thing is complete BS. "real jobs" usually suck ass and if you can uplift yourself by doing RUclips, more power to you. If I didn't have to work a "real job" i fucking wouldn't.
right now in my experience being a youtuber is exactly as being an artist you put tons of effort and almost not a single soul sees it and even if they do they saw it by accident and forgot about it
i just wanted to say thank you for acknowledging the disparity between your volume and the clip volume. it would have been better to fix it, but one of my pet peeves is when i am forced to either not hear half a video, or hear half of it at household disrupting volume. believe it or not, my family doesn't wish to hear these bursts of audio about my personal interests. especially early in the morning or at night. and headphones can result in ear pain if the difference is too great.
I see being a RUclipsr as no different to any other person building a business… being self-employed requires a lot of investment of time & effort, motivation, sacrifice, tenacity, self-reflection, & adaptability. Different people suit different careers & some aren’t suited to self-employment… and there’s nothing wrong with that. I always laugh at people who give the whole "it's not a real job" BS though because they have no idea how good they have it... the irony of working set-hours like a bricklayer or Maccas employee is that they actually do _less_ hours work in their “real” jobs than a person who is running their own business.
Yeah, it's not for everyone, I started it while I had a full time job and only did it cause I felt like I could share what I'm learning with others, but now I do it as an actual job while still enjoying it.
i can but i hold back the first reason putting lets say 300 hours of effort and get 0 results is instant burnout or more like blowing up an engine from overheating the second reason what if success happen and it turns into a curse worse then being a loser cause atleast being a loser no one cares if you do right or wrong decisions like you dont exist and impact is zero
@@Nogardtist - You're right, that's why it's important to be careful what type of videos you do. If you just report news or do some funny videos as long as you don't expose scams which can have a side effect and impact you even if you're helping people, you're ultimately sacrificing your job to help them cause you could be sued or worse..depending on who's toes you step. What Ash does is risky so he's a brave guy! I couldn't do what he does, but I admire those who do.
@@KryptosChain well yeah there tons of bozos that would silence criticism if they know they are guilty also there are clowns that literally made to hate if you seen a comment saying (random youtuber) burns in hell i make better content while having no content or really trashy content it just makes everything degenerated for literally no reason is this the platform we want to be in of course not sure laughing at scammers and being caution about it is normal cause they deserved to be mocked cause they know what they are up to what they gonna do dislike kira for being human and having a moral compass just cause he exposed them what about content that has nothing to do with news or trashy asset flip scam games do these getting negativity is also normal
Ive been noticing more and more accounts with real quality content sitting around at no subs. Even IF your content is good it might not matter. People dont just sub because you have 1 good video.
Great video ! Right now I aspire to 100 subs 🤞 Motivation is super hard between work and life I just want to go home and eat dinner , gane for an hour then bed when I should be edition 😫
Once you are getting paid for something you actively do, it becomes a job, CEO, office worker, RUclipsr, burger flipper... Always puzzled me how people can't understand this, but then again there's still people who tell others who do that what I do (gaming industry) that's not a job despite being way closer to "coventional jobs" in many aspects (e.g. hours, office, etc...) Doubt it'll ever disappear because what drives the majority of those comments it's envy, which is a bad beast, even more so when driven by ignorance. Nice reaction video mate.
There's a dude I listen to on RUclips. Contents fine, his voice is pleasant, no idea on production quality as I only listen to him. Easy listening in the background when I'm doing stuff. Holy fuck though he struggles with English (his primary language) sand his mistakes are so jarring. How the hell do I tell him he can't speak though, I'm not gonna proof read all of his scripts for him.
Effectively, being a successful content creator takes the same drive as being a successful... well.. anything. Which sucks for someone like me with ADHD who are at a genetic disadvantage to Being that driven to be that successful. Id love to be successful and well off.. but my brain will not let me put in the work need to be that. And I hate it.
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Hey there! My name is Liam and I'm the guy in this video! Thanks so much for your input. I always find it really fascinating to get some insight into the stories of other creators and a lot what you said smacks pretty 1:1 with my experience. Also, big fan of the main channel! I have a 20 minute walk to my office and a new KiraTV video usually slots in quite nicely during that time!
I really enjoyed this, very interesting & good that you both seem realistic about the good & bad. Il stay a viewer, not a creator lol.
this video so OP it has the properties of both rubber and Gum :)
Thank you for having this "fake" job so I have content to watch while working my "real" job
My pleasure dude, thanks for working your real job so I can sit around with my fake job
@@kirareacts - *Hahahahaha awesome response, Ash*
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@@Cho0c0 Nice profile picture
He makes a lot of valid points but I think he's missing out on a few.
1. Losing Everything Overnight
RUclips, or any content creation site, doesn't have the same safety nets as regular employment. At any time you can be terminated. Maybe a series of false flags, copyright trolls, false strikes, or RUclips changing the policy. If you depend on this income, even employ people, if can lead to a nightmare filled hell when dealing with sudden changes like this.
2. Parasocial relationships
You've already done a great video on this Kira but the reality is that sometimes you're going to attract unsavory people on this platform. Some who decide to take extremes. I'm not talking negative comments, I mean the type of stuff you inform the police about. It's truly a terrifying moment when this happens and having experienced it multiple times it never gets easier.
Yeah those are two valid points, I will however push back a little on them both.
The first, that's true for everything. So I think while it's worth discussing and definitely pushing for better, more transparent systems to prevent this, you're not really safe from it in any other walk of life either. You can lose your job, your career can be made redundant by tech advancements, you can lose your business, in other industries too. In fact there's very few industries that this isn't applicable. Now you can respond and say, very rightly, that working another job gives you experience, perhaps you have graduated school with credentials and therefor can just get another job...But that's the same for youtube. If you lose your youtube channel but you were successful, you built up skills that you can sell to other youtubers or businesses as there's a lot of things you need to do to get to that stage.
For the second, absolutely this is an issue, but you can almost 100% avoid this. Not all channels are the same. If you're not using your face, or your name in your content, you can pretty much just skate by without it ever having an impact. But most people of course do use their own identity as their branding which can be valuable.
@@kirareacts 👍
The third one... being female or trans. That seems to make the issues content creators deal with just for existing SO much worse.
@@Kalyahna This is the main reason I never wanted to do anything visible online.
@@Kalyahna basically why I'll never have a youtube channel (for now). black and female lol
You nailed it about the criticism being overwhelming for most people. I work a job in medical records and being accurate is pretty much the whole job. Your work is checked and you are notified of any mistakes. These are no judgement, purely informative log of mistakes so you can learn. No hard feelings. And almost no new hire can handle being told they are wrong 15 times a day. That's with no malice and everyone assuring them this is normal and they are doing fine. RUclips (or any public facing career) is not nearly that kind. I think people do not realize how seldom you are criticized to your face and what a poor tolerance one might have for it.
Most people dismissing it for one reason or another just can't conceptualise how the problem scales when it happens all the time and you can't easily escape it. Kinda like men talking about street harassment.
I relate to all of this. I had a podcast that did very well. I regularly placed top in my category and broke top 10 overall in Apple charts many times. I was pulling 40k listens an episode.
The issue is that I was putting in 20 hours a week just for a 20 minute episode. This was on top of a full time job and family. All would have been good but the ad revenue never materialized. While some of it was my fault, my content wasn’t appealing to advertisers. I wasn’t interviewing celebrities or talking about murder. So my show got lost in the sea of shows.
I gave up after 3 seasons from burnout.
I think with podcasts, it has to be donation funded if it's gonna be funded. Which sucks, TBH.
@@FranNyan exactly. I was too late to the Patreon game. I relied on a very poor management company to handle my sponsorships. Trying to wear all the hats was a huge mistake on my part. I couldn’t afford help but needed it. Cheers
If DSP can do it... Still... You can too! HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!!!
I have a pretty similar story as to how I got into editing. I had a job, lost it early into COVID and moved back in with my parents. Decided to give editing a shot and basically took a year to improve on those skills while being paid nothing/next to nothing until I finally landed a decent editing job, and then in the past year or so I moved on from that one to a well paying job working for a larger channel.
Took working basically full-time just to build up the skills and portfolio for a full year, then another year of the same amount of work for just above minimum wage, to now be at the point that I'm pretty comfortable.
Edit: I should also note I did have a small amount of editing experience prior to losing my job, but it was super rough and I was terrible, didn't understand pacing, etc.
Nice dude. Yeah I often say living at home with your parents actually puts you in a much better position than almost everyone else in terms of leveling up your life into something new, especially now days with how many high paying remote jobs can be created out of thin air with some dedication and drive.
that's encouraging ^_^ i've been spending a lot of time learning how to use digital tools for image and video creation and manipulation, but just for my own amusement. it has, at this stage, taken over a thousand hours of my life up, and i'm starting to think i may eventually have to turn it into a potential money earning skill instead of just a thing i'm doing for no reason at all. i don't even post most of what i make, it's just for me, because i don't like social media or lots of attention, at most i send my stuff to a few individuals that i think would like it. editing somebody else's stuff behind the scenes feels more like i role i could look into pursuing. i'm very happy for you!
Do you mind sharing what specific tools/applications you learnt to get into editing?
Well done for doing the grind and getting a full time job that's awesome bro!
@@UncleSkiBum I started out with Sony Vegas but by the time I had started taking it seriously I had switched over to Premiere Pro and After Effects. I've also heard very good things about DaVinci Resolve and have considered switching but don't feel like remaking presets and stuff lmao
Same boat here, pal. Except that I'm yet to find either a part-time or full-time at video editing since I lost my job the same way during 2020.
the concept of being a RUclipsr is alluring. but when thinking about it, for me, it feels like I'd be taking what I do to unwind and relax and making it work. so then I'd no longer enjoy it. I'd say it's not a hard physical job, but I have no doubt it gets challenging mentally. having experience doing physical work (carpet/flooring installation) and mental work (COBOL programmer) I've found that the mental job is much harder to relax from. it's really hard to turn off your brain, while just sitting or lying down after a hard day of physical labor is all it takes to relax
That's for sure an obscure but true point. Especially since your entire growth and earnings both current and future are entirely dependent on yourself. Which means if you do have a form of obsession, you wind up just constantly thinking of random shit to do or researching random things constantly, eating into your other time. I've not had a real vacation since I started youtube. I take my laptop and I'm constantly writing or researching. I lay in bed at night thinking of video ideas and have to write them in my phone. It's a 24/7 job.
@@kirareacts oh I fully believe that. Try all you want, that brain is going to keep churning out ideas. Would be too much for me, so full respect and props to you and all those that do RUclips. I know I greatly appreciate the work you put in
My brother says this, too. He's a carpenter, but says he can just punch out, and that's it, he's done for the day. But my sister & I (HR and IT, respectively) are getting pinged on the way to/from work, on weekends, etc.
Work/life boundaries are important - if they're not externally-imposed, my exp is it's vital to find a way to impose them. (I was off work today, and my VP sends me a non-emergency "urgent" msg, despite my OOO status. I answered the problem with a one-liner, then said "back to laundry" = "I don't work for you today" 🙄)
The RUclipsr dashboard thing does sound like shit, and it makes RUclips's whole "we got rid of dislikes because we care about your mental health!" shtick ring incredibly hollow because, as I understand it, they ram that thing right into your eyeballs.
If I remember from those surveys, they weren't single choice - kids could tick off multiple jobs they'd be happy with when they were older, so it's not like 30% *exclusively* chose RUclipsr/Vloggers - almost all of them had chosen other careers they'd also be happy with.
That does skew the results quite a bit
4 months late but kids also change their opinion almost daily. When I was a kid I wanted to be an astronaut. Then I wanted to be a game designer. 14 years later I'm a Sr. Security Engineer lol. These stats don't mean much if the demographic is young enough.
The line “your life isnt designed for you to do well on RUclips” (or however you said it) is very true. Ive been uploading for 6 years, reinvented my content multiple times. Marriage, kids and work have made things slow for channel growth. I put in what time i can spare, upload things I enjoy, and maybe one day it will make more than my job. Starting as an established adult is tough for sure.
Liam is a pretty standup guy, I think, and I think exemplary of the low barrier-to-entry intersecting with the dream of modest success pursuing niche interests. He's like a commentary channel but for One Piece and Hunter X Hunter (primarily), and while those are two of the biggest shonen series out there, they're still a relatively niche thing to be able to build a life around in comparison to the sheer amount of traffic things like tiktok dance trends or mainstream movies.
He's also one of the few manga/anime channels that don't put spoilers in the thumbnail and title, which I respect immensely, because it would be an incredibly easy way to drive traffic to his videos. Most of the bigger channels in his niche will put panels or screencaps in the thumbnail from leaks (even before a chapter's official release) and spoil huge plot points like character deaths in the title. It spoils it even for people who don't watch those channels, since they get boosted into people's recommendations.
Good on you, Liam.
I can heavily relate to the "real" job thing. I am a programmer working from home, employed and still people saying like: Ah so you getting (so much) money by watching youtube all day.
I am just wtf? Do you think apps or websites are made in 5 minutes and we dont do anything?
People think we're wizards LOL Admittedly, I have fixed problems by just walking up to a device, so there may be some truth to it 😅
34:21 This is really relatable.
I work in game development and have been told similar things by friends I've known for 10+ years.
I never knew how much it could hurt to work my ass off 7 days a week for 2 straight years, only to be told, "Yeah, but you don't ACTUALLY do any work though. You just sit at your pc all day."
I know it's a load of bollocks and they don't know what they're talking about, but it's still painful to hear people downplay the hard work, time and effort that you put into something, especially when you have to reluctantly sacrifice so many things in order to achieve your goals.
I've had this mainly from a couple of friends here and there, and I couldn't imagine dealing with it on the scale that RUclipsrs do. Definitely not a profession for me.
Can confirm editing suuuuuuucks lol. Realizing that these 5 hours of gameplay can be cut down to just over an hour(or about 4 short 19 min long videos....) is kinda crushing. Especially when you realize that what you have left doesn't really match the rest of the videos in the series... and now you have to kinda plan out how to do stuff to come back closer to the videos.....
I just... feel bad for my 6 subscribers. I'm trying to be better about doing videos, but I'm still more in the "it's a hobby" mindset, and while I'd like to be more into the money making aspect of it, I'm glad I'm not bogged down by that just yet. It lets me build myself up piece by piece. ^.^
And holy crap sir! Multiple Kira videos this week, leaves me good stuff to listen to! Thanks much!
Can i just say that your house move made you be sorely missed, and now that you are back my mornings are way more entertaining again. Love your channels!
Quit being so parasocial.
now if only we can get a decent camera angle bc this one sucks
Same here :)
You have to be dedicated, strong willed and resilient to run a youtube channel from 0 to 100k. And well done to all that can handle it!
And get lucky
Cracking video dude. Really enjoyed your commentary on this. You actually added some value to what he was already saying...unlike a lot of the crap react videos. Always like your stuff.
Also...I wouldn't be able to do what you do. It would destroy me, I just don't have the mindset or motivation needed to do well.
Thanks dude
I would argue you need charisma stat at least 1, if you have zero there's no change.
I always love hearing insiders of any industry talk about their craft. Both the original video and your additions were very informative and interesting to listen to.
It's the consistency that impresses me from creators I watch. They keep at it for years and years, not discouraged by how slowly their subscribers grow. It's a character trait I don't have. I'd last maybe a year before giving up.
As part of my counseling psychology doctoral education, I took courses and saw some clients for vocational counseling. Your video, and the one you commented on, cover many of the most important issues in choosing a career or job focus. I will be forwarding it to some people I know who are agonizing about career decisions and hope that someone doing career counseling/teaching will incorporate it (with permission from/payment to, you) in their curriculum. Thank you!
Hope your move went well and you're enjoying your new place my dude
Thanks!
The thing I find funny about the figures the video cites is that it shows that Astronaut is the most desired dream job in China as if that isn't an equally impossible dream to achieve. Billions of people have always wanted to be astronauts since the profession has existed, but if you look at how many people have actually become astronauts across the globe, the number is less than 10,000 people. It's the same with RUclips imo, don't let the volume of people who share your dream stop you from pursuing it. Because the chances are that the majority of people that want to be a RUclipsr, won't ever lift a finger to actually try and become one.
Definitely confirmed my exact thoughts towards RUclips. Being a creator sounds and is enjoyable+rewarding, but it’s damn near impossible to make it work with a full time job, spouse, social life, bills, responsibilities, etc.
Onto the next idea…
Yup. Having anyone in your house makes it very hard. When I try to record videos the kids think that is the time stomp up and down stairs and slam doors, and then my partner will walk in mid recording and ask some unrelated question she already knows the answer to. I genuinely enjoy making content and it is frustrating to feel like the only way I can pick it up again is to move out. I don't even want a career on YT, I just have content I want to make.
And this is before factoring in a full time job. Watching other people getting laid off right now and I am sitting here like "You lucky S.O.B!"
In my life, my mom is a professional painter and she constantly has to deal with people thinking she doesn't do "Real Work" because they don't know how much work she actually does and they only see the pretty paintings in galleries or art fairs.
People undervalue the Arts, and it's been getting way worse in the last 20yrs or so, even in cultures that used to have high respect for artists.
Also, if it doesn't reveal your own/her identity, you should name-drop your mom's work :)
@@mandisaw for sure. Her name is Greta Sandquist and you can find her work online under the name Ginger Street Studio.
@@izaiahsundquist6877 😍😍 Gotta hold for payday, but you just made a sale :)
If you have an interesting life, you can probably make interesting blogs or vlogs. Unfortunately, not everyone is interesting enough to do blogging or vlogging as a full-time job.
Loving all the content you’ve been producing! It’s helped me through a rough two weeks❤️
When I was a kid we all wanted to be footballers, I wouldn't worry too much.
Storytime with Kira.
As a self-employed artist, my response when asked , “what’s the plan if the art thing doesn’t work out” is always, there is no other plan. I’ve chosen this path and I’ll take whatever steps are necessary and adapt to make it work. If you already have an out then you’ll be constantly plagued by doubt and loose sight of what you really want. It took me way too many years to cast off other people’s expectations of how a life should be led.
I feel the same way. I'm not fully self employed by my craft yet, but it's the only direction I'm going in.
yeah I do art too and the fact that my country has a really good welfare system has taken the edge off my motivation to succeed through art. It's a pain lol
I wish you all the best on your chosen path!
I’m fortunate to be privileged enough to pursue my passion at this point in life. I worked so many different jobs for others and tried to squeeze into the molds people laid before me. I just couldn’t do it anymore, life being too short to be miserable, while toiling to make other people’s dreams a reality.
I've heard that if you have a plan B if your plan A doesn't work out, you aren't as invested in your plan A as you think you are. So, they need to leave you alone.
I watched Asmon's video before watching this one, but I enjoyed hearing your perspective as well. First video I've seen of yours but I really enjoyed listening! Last year was the first year I've ever found real "success" on RUclips, which is still small compared to many. But it took me many years of trying and testing and figuring out what works and what I'm good at. Not one year, not two or three, literally like 8 years. But I just have never given up because I enjoy it. Crazy? Probably? Worth it? We'll see in the future. 😅 For me, it's something I enjoy and I get something out of creating so I keep going.
Love these kinds of videos mate. Feels like we get to learn a bit more about you whilst also covering an interesting topic.
I feel trying to be a youtuber/twitch streamer is like gambling, every video/stream is that next roll of the dice, maybe just maybe THIS will be the one.
And Google makes billions in revenue doling out that sickly-sweet dopamine hit from variable rewards 😓 I didn't know the "Congrats, you're a failure" stuff from the analytics side - that's just abusive & messed-up.
As an artist who's been building my audience and following my dream in the last 6 months or so I imagine that the fundamental experience is the same. After all, you're making a creative product unique to you as an individual and both marketing it and selling it. A job is a job, period. And if you're going to be your own boss and do your own thing like this, you've got to be absolutely insane in your dedication to it. As an example I am probably drawing on average 10-12 hours a day (and not all of it is a presentable product) and probably spending another hour or two networking and marketing. I probably don't get to sleep til about 3-4 every night. And I'm not even working for money yet, I'm just working for an audience in general lol.
Am I growing constantly and making some money? Yep.
Is it as easy as just doing what I love all day? NONONONONONOOO. It's a grind bro, and it's not just a grind, it's a grind that can take years of no or little appreciation or money (unless you are incredibly lucky, of course) that has to consistently put out interesting and new content which is so insanely difficult to do when you're utterly exhausted.
No one sees behind the curtain. Of course a creator isn't going to sit and harp on the hard times, unless your name is DSP lol
I will say, I have the advantage of being from a family that is willing to support me in this, both emotionally and financially as long as it will take. Having to do this entirely on my own, I'm not entirely sure I'd be able to keep it up. I think that's such a valuable component to the successful creator equation.
Anyway, thanks for the video. It was interesting to hear your perspective on this. I was able to empathize with a lot more than I thought I would.
The only real question I'd have about youtubing when talking to a youtuber: do you enjoy your work?
Ohh rare to see someone reacting to our number one One Piece Fan ^_^
Hi Kira, shooting out videos like a machine gun recently (love it). Thanks for the content, everybody has a job and what you do as a job helps me stay sane doing my job
I'm an indie game developer and I feel a lot of this. I've been told many times that it's not a valuable job that contributes to society, or that it's just "playing games", "when are you going to enter the workforce and get a real job?", or even if they react positively they ask me if I've "made anything [they] know", which is always kind of funny. There are thousands of studios out there. You'll statistically probably never hear about anything I make. I usually just tell people now that I'm a software engineer, and I get way less questions, and they seem to think it's way more valid as a career.
Lmfao “enter the workforce and have a real job?” That’s annoying man. It literally makes no sense. If you get paid for a job that’s not illegal, you’re part of the work force. Whether it’s gig work or some niche job serving a niche group of people.
I'm trying to get out of the workforce! It sucks here!
I feel ya. You still going to get some sort of stigma from certain people especially if people that are your parents. When my Asian parents and I went over to AT&T to upgrade our phones last year, the salesguy asked each of us on what do we do for a living. I decided to tell the guy for the heck of it that I was a RUclips Content Creator. His reaction seemed to be okay with it, but my parents on the other hand, their reaction wasn't exactly okay.
They probably think that a job you do for passion is invalid.
If those people who ask those questions hate their job, they always can try changing.
Maybe that will change their mind.
Hey, being an artist is definitely better than doing some bullshit job with no chance to have any posibtive impact ever. If you actually get a game out, there at least is a chance that someone else has fun with it. And you propbably had more fun making it than normally people have working just to make ends meet.
For some reason I can perfectly imagine the "Oi, fuck off mate." response to threatening phone calls.
Painting the bathroom, need company. KiraTV just uploaded like he knew. Can the day get any better? 😁
I made a couple of videos playing Arma 2 many years ago. Mainly just to see what it is like to make one, how hard or easy it is. Some of the guys I played coop with wanted to know about the "Lost" singleplayer scenario I was playing.
I was like: "Yeah, fuck that. That is hard work . . ." Always have had respect for people who do this well!
And you are one of the Kira! A very effective creator.
Hey man, I really enjoy your content and thanks for doing what you do. Really enjoy the story times to help bring context.
I don't know about you guys but I could listen to Kira talk about pretty much anything and find it entertaining and informative.
Good video, it was very thorough and I enjoyed your input and your own stories. Never occured to me you'd have trouble finding a place to rent as a youtuber, that was good to know. We all toy with the idea that we could do it now and then, but videos like this are a great reality check!
I really like the honesty it gets old hearing the same you can do it if you put your mind to it bull shit. Like ya you can but that doesn't tell you the struggle or cost like you so clearly laid out for everyone here. Love it
I also think it’s worth mentioning that some of the issues you bring up could be much worse for certain sorts of people who do this. I imagine, for example, that women would experience more harassment in general and more often face stalker type stuff. Although, of course, these things happen to men as well. I have zero interest in becoming a RUclipsr but since I am more sensitive to the stuff, I imagine I would kind of try to do the stuff where my actual real life identity and image was not on screen. Like, maybe cooking.
I didn't know "HandTubers" were a thing until I saw some videos on dice-making (Ryzen, I think) and Lockpicking Lawyer. Also have a theory that part of the appeal (to creators) of VTubers is that you get the benefits of "being your brand" while also preventing [some] folks from latching on to the person behind the screen.
It's wild though that folks have to come up with these sorts of workarounds for what should be a fun/entertaining activity and/or career.
"This has been a public-service announcement". Seriously grateful for this video, though - to both of ya.
Great to have this channel back. RUclips’s been a desert for me, for months.
"Why don't people want to be Astronauts anymore?" When was the last time we had someone go to the moon?
Anyone can do it, or try to do it, this can be said for many a career, but only people with that X factor will be successful at it...
Yep all makes sense. I've had ideas I'd like to try on RUclips but i just do not have the time 🤷♂️
Love your videos, Kira! You need to bring your microphone balance about 30% closer to the subject video. Glad you got settled into your new place!
Good idea - then we could apply our own gain on our end
@@mandisaw Yeah, i kept having to adjust the volume while listening because Kira's lovely voice would be too loud after having to turn it up to hear the video he was commenting on.
@@MattZaharias Same, dude, same
To be fair to kids, the space program has been dead for ages, teachers are overworked and underpaid, and almost all kids want a "fun" job where they can have fun and be famous. RUclipsr/vloger/famous on the internet is a very logical choice for a kid to want to be when they grow up. "I wanna be like the people I see on TV/Hear about on the Radio/Read about in my books!" has just morphed to "See on the internet" Eventually something new and shiney will come along and bump that out of the spot.
[US context] The space program is not dead at all, this is the most active I've seen it since the start of the Shuttle era. Both NASA and the commercial [aero]space industry employ everyone from mission specialists [astronauts] to engineers, and lots of non-tech jobs you wouldn't think of, from historical archivists to psychologists.
What's changed is that families & schools no longer take kids to museums or planetariums, don't do Stargazer Nights, and for all the talk of STEM, don't actually expose kids to the sciences or engineering. We get lots of cool SF/Fantasy shows & movies, but much of it, and all the "hard" SF is geared to older audiences (The Martian, Interstellar).
No gee-whiz science demos in class, and only PBS seems to put out any "science is fun" content these days. A lot of K-12 science is taught by folks who don't actually know, or love, science, and few schools have decent facilities. Makes it hard to inspire that sense of wonder, that sense of wanting to know what's out there.
There's also the issue that most people in the US have crappy math skills, but that wouldn't affect this sort of "what if" survey of kids.
@@mandisaw The space program *was* functionally dead until fairly recently. It was off the radar of most people entirely not long after the cold war ended, outside of stuff about the ISS, or if you lived in range of one of the launch pads. Short blips of "new cool photo from a probe" and "nooo, the mars robot, nooooo" in the larger public consciousness that were disconnected from what used to be the big draw of being an astronaut. Space went from being a cool thing to being a "nerd" thing. It wasn't a famous hero job, it was a science job.
And there's no budget for things that don't directly affect standardized test scores in schools, so when planetariums break and have a hard time getting repaired. I remember getting to see the planetarium my district had *once* back in the 80s when I was back in elementary school. Then it broke and they couldn't fix it. When I was doing astronomy and physics for elementary school teaches in college, the telescope on campus was also broken, and there were no funds to get it repaired.
Without a space race, there's no reason for the state to pay for these programs to get kids interested in space. And with all the micromanagement of public schools, there's almost no way for teachers to work in anything that could inspire kids to really get into science. (Still bitter about the one school I worked in where a school board mandate resulted in over half the freshman class routinely failing science, to the point where they split it up into two half courses to give the kids a chance to graduate on time. I have many opinions on the state of education after working the admin and special ed side of public school for too long.... don't even get me started about math teachers, I could rant for *years* )
@@FranNyan Yeah, I quit the classroom 20yrs ago, and prefer to just scratch that teaching itch occasionally. The students are great, but they're being done a massive disservice in so many ways.
@@FranNyan To the point here, though, I think you have to distinguish between space in the popular American consciousness, versus what NASA et al actually do. The unmanned program has gone farther, and done more, than could've ever been imagined during the height of the Cold War, or could ever be possible with manned exploration. Way beyond the Rover program, although that in itself is mind-boggling.
Space among the US public suffers from short-attention-span syndrome crossed with a growing disconnect between people's tech-saturated lives and their actual grasp of, or interest in, the underpinnings of that tech. People walk around with supercomputers, and push their kids from 8-28 into coding bootcamps, but don't know / care to know what the parts of a computer even are, let alone how they work, or might be improved.
Even with health sciences being a high-demand field, that has an obvious "how does this affect me" factor, the staggering ignorance around even basic biology was put on neon-lit display these past 3yrs.
You're certainly right that the budget & administration priorities of schools plays a big part here, but gotta say this is 60% (or more) a family & community attitude issue.
Money isn't the [main] issue - there's a ton of "free science": from naked-eye astronomy, to collecting rocks & leaves, to just watching nature and talking/reading about what you observed. Used to read all kinds of books from the school & public library, leaflets/worksheets & textbooks/encyclopedias in school, and just looking around when I was outside. Now that shit is all free online & searchable.
The main issue is that parents and communities, all across the US, across income-lines, don't put any value on science/STEM education - they *claim* to, but actions say otherwise. Children will absorb whatever they're exposed to, or in this case, what they're not.
KiraTV Hope you see these comments, I started watching you because I loved your talks on crypto and you seem so knowledgeable about business too. This was amazing, I couldn't agree with you more. I'm trying to start RUclips and I feel taxed already and I've not even uploaded a video! I love your internet stories but please consider going down the business/marketing avenue, you have so much to share! PS I'm originally a Londoner, I thought you were from "Oop North" because of your accent but you seem to be in the US so interested in where you're from. I too have a chronic illness so I know how tough it can be. Keep strong, always remember there are a lot of us who love what you do. ❤️
I'm from the Midlands, never been to the US in my life, live in thailand. If there's antrhinf specific you think would make for an interesting video just drop me a comment on discord as I'm more likely to see it. Sorry to hear about your health
I admit. I fell for the title bait and expected something quite different but this was far more interesting than what my preconceptions rendered in my mind. Thank you!
I had already watched this video but I appreciated re-watching it with your commentary
Not all of this hits me yet but a lot does for sure. Thanks for all the work and great content, Kira!
i hadn't yet subscribed, but have caught several of your videos while scrolling through the featured(Home) page. new sub !
Great vid Kira. I’ve been planning for a year now to start a yt channel. I have hundreds of clips of my friends and I playing games (were pretty funny sometimes ) and after seeing this video I think I’ll finally invest in all the necessary equipment and software. I already have a solid computer I jus needed a video like this to get me started. Cheers brother
I like your vibe so much I watch your videos even if the subject isn’t very interesting to me. ❤
people consider it not a real job because it's not productive work, it's just entertainment and advertising. the only thing that legitimizes it as a job is that it makes money, but the 'work' itself does not contribute any value to your community, that's why people are dismissive about it.
for contrast, someone who works a real job like construction creates real tangible value where he works by contributing to the creation and maintenance of buildings and infrastructure. people can see the results of that work, and that's why they respect it as real work regardless of how much he is paid for it. youtubing has nothing like that, which is why people don't inherently respect it.
Even though youtube is something anyone can do, it's not something everyone will excel or even succeed at. it takes a lot of resilience to make it. even though i've never tried or have any interest in trying, i can understand it is extremely hard work and not everyone is cut out for it. i see it a lot like olympic sprinting. anyone with a functioning pair of legs can run, but not everyone will make it to the olympics, and even less people will win the 3 best placements. and either you agree or not, it has also shown to be a short lived career for the vast majority (much like a career in sports). sooner or later you will hit your prime, begin to fall and lose relevancy. this will happen to everyone. even pewdiepie who has been the exception has been slowing down and dropping over time. it's a natural thing. and much like athletes, you'll rarely pick up other skills that are relevant outside of youtube (maybe i media in general, but that's it. also a market over saturated and with lots of competition). what will you do when shit hits the fan and everything comes crashing down? just look at edp. he fucked up BIG time and now he's not even eligible to work as a cashier.
I deeply respect people who survive and thrive in this medium, whether i like their content or not. It's certainly not made for everyone
Thank you for your drive. Your content has been much appreciated.
Nice a Darkwing Duck t-shirt, "Let's get dangerous"😃
Really nice video. But about doing RUclips for a year without any income: Studying (+ working to pay rent) took me 6 years for my masters degree and now I have to do 18 months of induction while getting paid just enough to survive - it's not like earning money in "real" jobs is a given. If I look at the drop out rate and people who fail in the induction, this is also not without risk. But it's still much more risk and to become a RUclipsr as you also need to find the right niche that will generate enough revenue after you people notice you.
This is coming from a Chinese (Well from Guangzhou area in the south), most Vloggers or "Internet celebrity" (Since in Mainland China doesn't officially have RUclips, except in Hong Kong and Macao although alot of videos from Mainland do get published in RUclips officially), most of the Internet vlog celebrity in Mainland China focus on the "Countryside living" where we see village people show their daily life, like taking their kids to the city, eating dinner or meeting friends and family.
Well there was also videogame Twitch types as well, but since there are way too much of them, become run of the mill. The above I mentioned who show their daily life in countryside is like a TV soap opera although no made up drama or anything.
His sound was very low but this was a great video overall, lots of good and informative information. Keep up the great work
Yeah... as an author, I also get those "you don't even do REAL work" comments. I know all sorts of artists and editors and writers who get the same comments too... I think people tend to say this about almost anything creative. It's par for the course in a way that's pretty disheartening, especially when it comes from people you know. I wonder if that attitude will ever change... but it's hard to guess.
Seeing as technological advances like AI art increasingly diminishes opportunities for creative jobs, I'd say it's just going to get worse.
All the more incentive to get a 'real' job. Slaving hours for work that ultimately doesn't amount to anything for the world at large.
well seeing what you guys are doing is a Real Job. because you put work into your content and you get payed for it, a good example is that a foot ball player is also a part of the labor force. they work for there team and they get payed for it. its physical and mental just in a different area. its not what you do its that you do something to get payed for it. i do models and such on blender and make textures. i have some experience in editing. all that takes time, and effort. like it took me 5 days to make a armor set on blender. not the best looking but still too time out my day. took me 6 months to make a collection. hell even when using assets to make something cool takes a whole day.
People focus way too much on the successful youtubers / streamers that make a ton of money. Makes sense, you never see / hear of the ones that don't make it, but all the kids that want to be the next Ninja don't think things through. The thing is, in most other professions, even if you are not the top. 0.01% you can still make a living. If you're an average plumber putting in 40h, you can survive. This isn't even remotely true for content creation.
I mean what that guy and Kira say is pretty accurate I've been on RUclips for almost 10 years it's not easy I work an eight-hour job come home stream for 4 hours take a break and in-stream for another 4 hours everyday
Speaking of negative comments. Keep up the great work! Love what you do man.
I often want to film my work fixing electronics, interesting data recoveries, also lots of ideas about gemological content, I'm a part time lapidary, etc etc but when I set up a camera and watch that content I'm like "it wasn't worth losing 1/2 hours filming and certainly not worth editing it for another 2 hours..."
Eh
When people ask me what I do, I legitimately tell them, "I yell at people on the internet for a living." Tends to be a weird enough response that they don't try to follow up.
Was here since your MMORPG days, the RUclips grind is much tougher than the grindiest of MMO grinds. I gave RUclips a try for 6 months during COVID unemployment as a musician. Trying to upload something every week destroyed me mentally. Do not recommend (for most people)!
Interesting how a long of points against being youtube are the same thing you can say about trying to be an artist... always at work, always learning and growing knowledge, and long time to get a payout from your effort.
Definitely a lot of parallels for sure
As a random person both seem very similar I would say it is a form of art when you think about it.
Keep up the good content bro, I’ve been like binging your vids lol
It was a great video from both creators!
I like the guy three channel but more so I like his hunterxhunter content and dude in a room content. Solid video and solid reaction.
Hey, it's my boy Grand Line Review! I didn't know that One Piece RUclipsrs were this well known
To be honest, I make gaming content for my other channel mainly for myself. I get something like 100 views a month, but it's more about just getting something done regularly and producing something than it is about actually entertaining or getting views.
proof i will watch you talk about anything. Keep kickin ass homey!
Thank you for the videos again 🙏🏼
Happy for your success and hoping your health is good, big fan of your work, you do a great job with the research and topics. You're a humane person and you've got a good head on your shoulders. The whole "real job" thing is complete BS. "real jobs" usually suck ass and if you can uplift yourself by doing RUclips, more power to you. If I didn't have to work a "real job" i fucking wouldn't.
right now in my experience being a youtuber is exactly as being an artist
you put tons of effort and almost not a single soul sees it and even if they do they saw it by accident and forgot about it
i just wanted to say thank you for acknowledging the disparity between your volume and the clip volume. it would have been better to fix it, but one of my pet peeves is when i am forced to either not hear half a video, or hear half of it at household disrupting volume. believe it or not, my family doesn't wish to hear these bursts of audio about my personal interests. especially early in the morning or at night. and headphones can result in ear pain if the difference is too great.
I see being a RUclipsr as no different to any other person building a business… being self-employed requires a lot of investment of time & effort, motivation, sacrifice, tenacity, self-reflection, & adaptability. Different people suit different careers & some aren’t suited to self-employment… and there’s nothing wrong with that. I always laugh at people who give the whole "it's not a real job" BS though because they have no idea how good they have it... the irony of working set-hours like a bricklayer or Maccas employee is that they actually do _less_ hours work in their “real” jobs than a person who is running their own business.
Brilliant video, brilliant analysis thanks 😊
I don’t think anyone could do RUclips, I definitely couldn’t.
Yeah, it's not for everyone, I started it while I had a full time job and only did it cause I felt like I could share what I'm learning with others, but now I do it as an actual job while still enjoying it.
Agreed. Not everyone likes blood or needles, so they probably wouldn't want to be a nurse or doctor. It's exactly the same.
i can but i hold back
the first reason putting lets say 300 hours of effort and get 0 results is instant burnout or more like blowing up an engine from overheating
the second reason what if success happen and it turns into a curse worse then being a loser cause atleast being a loser no one cares if you do right or wrong decisions like you dont exist and impact is zero
@@Nogardtist - You're right, that's why it's important to be careful what type of videos you do. If you just report news or do some funny videos as long as you don't expose scams which can have a side effect and impact you even if you're helping people, you're ultimately sacrificing your job to help them cause you could be sued or worse..depending on who's toes you step. What Ash does is risky so he's a brave guy! I couldn't do what he does, but I admire those who do.
@@KryptosChain well yeah there tons of bozos that would silence criticism if they know they are guilty
also there are clowns that literally made to hate
if you seen a comment saying (random youtuber) burns in hell i make better content while having no content or really trashy content it just makes everything degenerated for literally no reason
is this the platform we want to be in of course not
sure laughing at scammers and being caution about it is normal cause they deserved to be mocked cause they know what they are up to
what they gonna do dislike kira for being human and having a moral compass just cause he exposed them
what about content that has nothing to do with news or trashy asset flip scam games do these getting negativity is also normal
Ive been noticing more and more accounts with real quality content sitting around at no subs.
Even IF your content is good it might not matter. People dont just sub because you have 1 good video.
Kira's smh thumbnail in his vids are gold😂
Great video !
Right now I aspire to 100 subs 🤞
Motivation is super hard between work and life I just want to go home and eat dinner , gane for an hour then bed when I should be edition 😫
Yoo I love grandlinereview
I am surprised being a Teacher is that high
If you’re one-in-a-million on RUclips, there’s 37 other people just like you making videos
Don't care what people say, everyone just reflecting their emotions to you. Bad day at work results in this youtuber/streamer is shit.
Once you are getting paid for something you actively do, it becomes a job, CEO, office worker, RUclipsr, burger flipper... Always puzzled me how people can't understand this, but then again there's still people who tell others who do that what I do (gaming industry) that's not a job despite being way closer to "coventional jobs" in many aspects (e.g. hours, office, etc...)
Doubt it'll ever disappear because what drives the majority of those comments it's envy, which is a bad beast, even more so when driven by ignorance.
Nice reaction video mate.
There's a dude I listen to on RUclips. Contents fine, his voice is pleasant, no idea on production quality as I only listen to him.
Easy listening in the background when I'm doing stuff. Holy fuck though he struggles with English (his primary language) sand his mistakes are so jarring.
How the hell do I tell him he can't speak though, I'm not gonna proof read all of his scripts for him.
Effectively, being a successful content creator takes the same drive as being a successful... well.. anything. Which sucks for someone like me with ADHD who are at a genetic disadvantage to Being that driven to be that successful. Id love to be successful and well off.. but my brain will not let me put in the work need to be that.
And I hate it.