Dennis: Colton can you review a chair for short circuit? Colton: Why can’t you? Dennis: it’s not massage chair! Also I need to plan out how to take out Linus so I can become boss of LTT! Colton: and then you will un-fire me? Dennis hesitatingly: sure Colton!
For anyone considering one of these, I would recommend checking out other reviews before deciding. Common thread seems to be the chair is decent, however it is not Herman Miller good when compared to the rest of their line up, despite carrying a Herman Miller price.
Hey all, Thank you for actually having people of different sizes sitting in the chair. That helps out as I am a big boy and would like to know how the seat feels. Makes me feel included, thanks!
I love this chair. The only complaint I have is the front/back/side armrest adjustments move too easily as the don't lock...up and down is great and with little play. For reference, I am 6'2", 190lbs. You might think you are bottoming out on the seat, but you're not, it's just a firm pad that gets more firm the deeper you sink. The chair is mostly plastic but feels premium and make is light and easy to move when you need to. The headrest is amazing and I am glad you have to stand up to adjust it up and down. The lumbar is great as well. I got the black one because I'm not 12.
I may need to start doing YT series myself to warn people that expensive brands and their chairs are mostly NOT gaming chairs, for home comfortable use. When i say comfortable use, these are missing some important features and price tags are insane: locking tilt mechanism (rarely found in any), well padded seat and back for kicking back and being able to fall asleep while watching a movie on your computer.. yeah... task chair / work chair is made for one thing - WORK ... having one at home, sure, you will use it when working... but to get sort of recliner comfortability - you can only research gaming chairs that offer these features. I am sitting right now on Steelcase Amia I got for very cheap (luckily) but regret buying it... $200 is not much - but not sure I will have use for it, perhaps for work only when working from home.
The plank thing was super useful. I have a 300 dollar chair that offers many of the features of that chair but feels hard. Knowing even Linus, a much smaller dude, feels the wood (!) definitely rules that chair out.
"Glass filled nylon" is just a weird, marketing speak way of saying it's glass fiber reinforced nylon. This greatly improves it's resistance to cracking when undergoing shear forces, such as bending while you're leaning back on it.
Most people don't know but a Steel case Amia or Amia Air are probably the best value chair from Steelcase, the prices they list online are a bit inflated I went to a local dealer and got mine for $670 Canadian, which was almost 500 less then online in the same configuration. and no it wasn't used or anything brand new in box. If you look into this model it normally end up beating all other chairs when reviewed including 3k Herman millers.
lol I paid 70€ for my gaming chair and it's good enough while also lasting long. But butt support is also thin and after a while i started to feel the metal or plastic below the foam. But i added a pillow and it's great now.
I bought a Secret Lab Titan back in 2020. My biggest complaint is that the seat cushion isn't cushion-y enough. After two years, I had to buy a memory foam cushion to make it comfortable again. The Herman Miller chair reviewed here seems to have a similar issue.
With all these chair videos you should check out the Autonomous ErgoChair Pro. I have been super happy with the build quality and by comparison to this its more budget friendly.
Yea they forgot to mention a major con about this chair and that is that the seat depth is too shallow even at its max position. Plouffe had it maxed out initially already and I can see it was just about perfect for him and he's short. So anyone taller than him is gonna have a hard time with this chair.
My office chair I got for free like 7 years ago is finally starting to wear out. Hearing the prices on these chairs seemed insane to me so I decided to finally look under my chair to find out the model and cost to replace it...turns out I've been sitting on a $2000 Steelcase Leap. I don't think I will ever be able to afford to replace it lol.
@@joshiepooh If you configure one on their site they range from $1173 - $2621. The ready to ship ones are on the low end. I just used the Build Yours to match the color and material(mine is leather) and it came out to $2000.
Man, you are reminding me of my years of back pain as a teen, I'd never let my kids sit on a crap chair, any parent that thinks they are saving money by not buying a proper chair for their kids, have fun with all the medical bills when they got chronic back pain 3 years later
4:14 As someone that works in the plastic industry glass filled nylon is some of the best resin you an use in an application like this. It has great structural integrity and basically lasts forever. It is also a real pain in the ass to work with lol
Finally, a gaming chair that doesn't look like a bucket seat. Still can't figure out why gaming brands always went for the most uncomfortable shape back then.
my favorite part about this chair is that it has "gamer" aesthetic while ditching the horrendous bucket seats. We've been pretending those nightmares are comfy for way too long.
@@suppressed_viii No bucket is only comfortable if you are as thin as an racing pilot ...which are the people the bucket seat was originally created for.
@@WyvernVin I have a SecretLab chair, its comfortable. I just follow 2 simple rules tho. I let myself slouch. And if I feel any soreness, I switch positions. I don't have any issues.
If a chair costs a grand and Linus, who probably doesn't even weigh 70kg, can tell the bottom cushionning is too shallow by sitting on it for twelve seconds, then maybe it's not a good product.
I had a maxnomic gaming char for years and struggled with back pain if I spent more than a couple hours at my desk. I tried upgrading to the herman miller aeron and even after a couple months with it, still had the back pain. I got a steelcase gesture and within a week my backpain was gone and hasn't returned since. Chairs are so much about finding the right fit for your body, so it can take some work and reviews can only help so much without trying it for yourself.
I've never sat in a Steelcase chair that bothered me. I bought my Leap v2 on sale for $850 about 8 years ago, and it's still like new. Knowing what I know now, I'd have paid full price for it.
@@ribstogo12 Definitely worth it? I've gone through so many ''gaming chairs'' it's not even funny. Your typical popular $100-400 gaming chair brands....They're all dog sh** and break within a year or two and that's if you're really babying them to. I think I'm going to make an expensive move because it's costing m the same replacing my chairs every damn year. I'm close to average weight for my height at around 200lb, so I'm not even pushing their limits yet they still break easily. It's ridiculous.
@@wombat5252 definitely... I've saved money over the long run by buying an expensive chair up front, and your back will thank you from day 1. Buy direct and save your receipts. Not sure if they still do this, but when I bought mine, SC's warranty included in home service to fix any issues that probably won't arise (they're rock solid chairs).
@@ribstogo12 Thanks for the reply. I'm definitely going to be looking into those SC chairs. I'm sick of replacing my chairs every year. I thought I was saving money but obviously not. It's just wild to think about spending $1000+ on a chair though.
@@wombat5252 have you had an andaseat kaiser 3? that's what i'm getting ready to order and according to the majority of reviews they're pretty durable. the thing weighs 61 pounds so it should be pretty solid. it's $420 right now. i thought about an office chair but couldn't really find one with a high back. even most of the ones with a headrest people say the headrest doesn't reach anywhere near their head and it would be more comfortable without the headrest digging into their upper back. i really like the white vantum in this video, but $1,000 is too steep for me.
I’ve missed Colton videos, especially Colton chair videos. He needs to be out of the office doing business deals and on camera more! My favorite part of his chair videos are how uncomfortable the staff/whoever they wrangle to test out the chairs look. 😂
I worked at cascade engineering for a few years making parts for hermin miller. Mostly for the Mirra chairs. When I left, I purchased one and still have it over 10 years later. Hermin Miller has great r&d going into their products to be sustainable, comfy, and resilient even if they are a little pricey compared to other brands. The glass filled nylon has the benefits of being "springy" and tougher than other plastics. But dropping the glass filled nylon will give you a heart attack as it sounds like a thousand glass cups hitting the floor and shattering.
But for sure, I can BET, anyone can get MANY other options BETTER than this chair for that money, him saying "only $999" for this and going for it instead of the Embody, shows he sits in a $150 chair. Is the chair bad? for that price? yes, for $500-$600 maybe not? would be a good pick, and still, I would go for something else after watching all the reviews out there and on r/officechairs
@@FcoEnriquePerez But it's crazy to think that we have to spend this much $$$ just for a decent chair. I've personally bought so many of those popular typical ''gaming chairs'' that are usually priced between $100-400. They are ALL complete sh**. Cheap plastics and they break within a year or two and the cushions flatten out completely. It's bad.
@@wombat5252 fool me once, shame on you...but yeah seriously, "gaming chairs" are absolutely terrible. A decent office chair can't be beaten, & Herman Miller make decent office chairs. I bought an Aeron secondhand & my only regret is not just buying a new one to make sure I have that lovely warranty just in case.
Bought a refurbed HM Aeron 3 years ago for $600 and I’ve never been more pleased with a purchase. If something does end up breaking, parts are readily available and much cheaper than buying another chair (I believe the bottom mesh cushion is about $125 for a replacement).
@@FcoEnriquePerez I don't agree with the pricing even if it was $500. The seat pad is just going to bottom out as the last few guys noted, they were ALREADY feeling the plank in the chair. If it was more in the lines of $100 then yeah I guess okay if you're fine with something that will wear out in a year or two of constant use. For the same price if you don't have an issue with your tailbone you should buy an Herman Miller Sayl office chair edition for that lumbar support. Or for a bit less you can buy an refurbished leap v2 chair through Crandall office where they replace the seat and back foam with 3/4" thicker foam and you get a pretty impressive warranty.
I'd always recommend to check office surplus sites/stores for used/refurb versions of the high end Herman Miller chairs like the Aeron. Picked one up for £260 shortly after WFH started.
Refurbed Aerons and Mirras are around $500-650 depending where you get them from my area or online. The former I only have one option in a used furniture dealer without warranty and otherwise the minute amount of local private sellers if any. For people like me you can only really pick them up used or refurbed online and hopefully with a warranty with a legit refurbed site.
Man, I'm so glad to see LTT getting into the Holiday Spirit this December by getting Ralphie from A Christmas Story to review a chair! Love you guys! ;)
Wait the seat doesn't tilt? for 900 dollars? I was looking for a new chair, my GT omega is worn out. But I want full and locking tilt. I'm a desk racer. i hope you guys are gonna do more chair reviews.
About 5 years ago, the company my dad works at downsized and their office department were getting rid of their office chairs. At the time I wasn't familiar with the name Herman Miller, but I knew office departments were known to have high-end chairs. There were a few good condition chairs at my dad's work and he told me I should swing by and take one home. So I drove the 5 mile round trip to picknone up and use in my room. It was a very comfy mesh office chair, a bit used and worn in, but I loved it. It wasn't until a few months later, after watching a LTT/Gamers Nexus video on office vs gamer chairs, that I realized that my chair looked very similar to the Herman Miller that was being shown. I searched for markings on my chair to see if my hunch was correct, and lo and behold, it turned out my chair was indeed a genuine Herman Miller Aeron. I had essentially paid less than $2 USD in gas for an HM Aeron. I later found an aftermarket headrest designed by former HM Aeron designers that aleviated the lack of head support for the Aeron too. Years later and even after it's use in the office space, this chair still holds up to it's design and quality and has easily been the best money I never spent for my setup
That similarly happened to me many years ago, no joke. Friend owned a company and had a bunch of office chairs that he didn't need. He let me take it home. Lasted me probably 7 or so years which is good for an already used office chair. I can't remember the brand anymore but I remember looking into it see the original price. I couldn't believe that I had a $1400 chair for free. LOL the thing was so sturdy and strong. The fabric finally started ripping and the bottom broke but man that thing lasted so long and was SUPER comfortable.
I think it would be hard to buy a chair online, just for the body type factor. I appreciate the review but I think that without actually sitting on a piece of furniture it would be too hard to buy something based on what a person says about it. My biggest problem is I live 5 hours from the nearest store that might actually carry anything like this...
Make it a nice trip. I'm in a similar situation, called some places before to make sure they had the models I wanted to try. Spend 2 days on it, now I'm set for at least 12 years :)
I was kinda lucky, when WFH started, I saw that the company that made the chairs from our office also sells retail, so I could buy the same exact chair I was used to for me. But every other chair I had before, I bought in person
@@squidwardo7074not sure these days, i used to go to Staples a lot, IKEA has a decent selection (but it is IKEA). I don't have a microcenter or best buy close but I'd wager they might be a good bet
I love that linus came in an shat on the chair... It actually gives me hope that their views are their own and not bought by the sponsors or fancy products.
@@accelement3499 You believe everything you watch? I like linus but he will still have his bias. I like that we get to see different views within his team.
@@Kay8B if youve seen enough you can see his bias and the others in the review its part of the genuineness they all kinda have the point i was trying to make is hes not lying for money and that is clear but you can feel some products and scenarios how out of touch they can be because of the access they have i just see liars lying is all and companies be damned we will get content from the LTT team
@@accelement3499 The LTT team can sometimes have bad takes but they seem genuine. Unless it's a straight-up sponsored showcase, they have integrity. You can trust they won't sell you on complete scams.
I've had the Herman Miller Embody and the Aeron. To be honest, I didn't like the hard edges on the Aeron and the Embody simply felt hard, it even made my tailbone hurt after a week. I currently use a Secret lab Titan that I've had for 3,5 years and I think it's better for me. It's also a 3rd of the cost which is nice.
Interesting... for me Steelcase Leap is the holy grail of ergo chair. I used to run the ergoprogram for the company I worked for and always got better comments from Steelcase chairs. We had SC Leaps, Gestures, Series 1 vs HM Embody, Amias and Aeron.
The chair market really tends to be as Colton put it - you get what you pay for. After going through multiple chairs in the past from Staples, I had enough. I picked up an Aeron earlier this year and I've thoroughly loved it ever since. The *only* shortcoming I've encountered with it was the frame design and how it can cut into your legs if you're not sat right, and the fact it didn't come with a headrest. As far as I am aware, this is pretty well the only HM product to come direct from the factory with a headrest. Glad to see a more moderately priced HM product that can last for a long time! Thanks for looking into it, ShortCircuit fellows!
@bigguschungus968 I did, actually! It's a very comfortable headrest. Might get the mesh version too, just in case I want to have the breathability for hotter days.
Got the Herman Miller x Logitech G Embody chair back around release day. Tried some Herman Miller chairs in my previous job which got to get the Embody instead of the Aeron. When I bought the Embody, it was $1400 before the price increase.
This shortcircuit was so entertaining while hitting all the points of a short circuit. Kind of wish the audio could have been fixed to actually reflect the USD pricing error aside from the subtitles, but overall was really good! The speed run and getting others in the office to try it was great, and I really liked the anecdotes comparing other chairs!
My Herman Miller Aeron chair just turned 11 years old and is still working great. I have used it as my only gaming and home office chair for over a decade. The price at the time of purchasing did feel high, but now that I average out the price to the amount of use it has seen it doesn't feel that expensive anymore. That chair has moved house with me three times and doesn't show signs of breaking down. I have added an aftermarket head rest to it as originally it did not have one.
Agreed. I feel like if you're going into this price bracket, might as well spring for an Aeron. More customizability, probably longer lasting since it's suuuper easy to find replacement parts, and all around a great chair. Never been a fan of gaming chairs, they always seem like a ripoff depending on how long the seat foam holds up
Hm, those arm rests look quite similar to the ones they serve over at $300 RESPAWN gaming chair center... No! These are Herman Miller Armrests.. Old family recipe..
I mean its not uncommon companies put up their aerons (which can go up to $2K) for $100 or even free because it "looks like a regular chair". Just because something isnt flashy doesnt mean its features or quality is somehow less valuable
@@userblame632 And just because something is valuable doesn't mean you should be charged out the nose for it. Like air for example. It's just a friecking chair. It's a few bits of simple metal, plastic, and fabric, arranged together. All it has to do is sit there and not hurt my back. But when people get into that whole, _“OOOh you can't put a price on the health of your spine!”_ well then suddenly $10,000 is technically a bargain. Every company wants you to think they deeply researched the complexities of the human spine at the atomic level. No they just copied the design of someone else's chair. We've had the chair pretty much figured out for over a hundred years. Now all of a sudden a *_thousand dollars_* is being talked about like it's a bargain. It's absolute insanity.
@@naryanr do you need to spend 1K to find a good ergonomic chair? No, but will finding a cheaper ergonomic chair be easier than buying one from steelcase or herman miller? Companies which have long warranties, retail stores so you can pick a chair which fits you best, and are proven to be good quality (since most companies use them due to their durability and comfort)? No. A thousand dollars isnt a bargain but its a bargain for a chair from this company. Its like Porsche making a 40K car. Its not a bargain overall but for that company it is. I beg to differ that these expensive ergo chairs are just "copied designs" and the chair doesnt need to be more complex than plywood arranged at a right angle. Ive sat in plenty of chairs and all of them get really uncomfortable. Chairs in college are comfortable for an hour or two, but at the end of a lecture im itching to move. Ive sat in a couple chairs for home use and all of them get uncomfortable. Hell one even started giving me back pain. I have an aeron and it wasnt cheap by any means (buy used. Like i said, if youre lucky you could pick one up for $100), but I can literally sit in it for 16 hours with the straightest back ever (whereas for normal chairs I sink down) and I dont feel uncomfortable at all. Its honestly almost detrimental since it prevents me from walking around (since cheap chairs hurt so I need to take a break), but thats cause im lazy.
Hermann Miller Embody all the way... Bought one during Black Friday and can't believe how good it is 😍 seeing this new one makes me even happier about getting the Embody!
@@IcalebthelionI Agreed but I feel it doesn't really need it because of the shape of the back rest, but that's just me 🤷♂️ interested to see the Atlas headrest when it's released though!
The UK is getting screwed on these badly. $795 USD would be £654 GBP, I know not a fair comparison because VAT. So add 20% VAT (~£131) and you end up at ~£775. That would be a fair price, similar to some of the gaming chairs in a real leather version. But this thing is... £1126. That's £451 EXTRA!!! So basically in the US you could buy this Chair AND a Secret Labs chair (which is an expensive chair as well imo) for the price that in the UK gets you just this chair. Why do you hate the UK Herman Miller? Why?
@@pokerface64440 Should be about €1291 going by the GBP to EUR conversion. So Germany is getting screwed even harder. Their loss I suppose as there can't be many people to buy them at those extortionate prices.
I have a Steelcase Leap which is a similarly probably too expensive ergo chair, but it's a gamechanger if you spend a lot of time in it. I used a Herman Miller Aeron at work and the Leap at home. Both are awesome and way better than anything from Office Depot or similar. But I prefer the Leap. Get those butts in proper chairs gamers. Your backs will thank you lmao.
@TwinTurbo Ray Like I said, they are quality chairs, I can understand $1k, but a lot of their chairs go over that, even without the upgrades. You're simply paying for the brand. There are other chairs that cost less, last a long time, and are very similar in ergonomics, features and quality. This whole "if you don't own a Herman Miller chair, you are slowly killing yourself" is so weird.. but I guess you do own 3, so you have to justify it somehow.
@NakedTrashPanda no, you're the one justifying not spending the cash. A lot of assertions from someone who's only sat I an ikea chair. I have a haworth fern, if you wanted it speed the same it'd cost 1,400. It has the best lumbar, best flexibility, but best contact surfaces of any chair I've ever sat in. It made my lower back pain disappear in 7 days. Like you, before I ever experienced this sort of chair I wasn't sure how they'd justify the price, but they most certainly did.
This chair is incredibly disappointing compared to other Herman Miller chairs. I was able to try one out (thankfully) and I truly dislike many things about it. The seat depth is way too short for some reason, its like it was made for people 5'6" and under. Im also only 5'10" and it was a problem for me, so good luck to anyone taller than that. The headrest wants to fold your neck in half when reclining. Its also super hard to adjust and just feels straight up garbage. The seat cushion is mediocre for a Herman miller chair. This was a cool concept and I can see where they were going with this, but it is very poorly executed for a company with as many resources as Herman Miller. This chair gets outclassed by so many other chairs at the $1000 price point. Don't fall for the GAMER chair gimmick!!
Finally a gaming chair i would actually buy! I really dont like these "typical" gaming chair's like the one PewDiePie uses. This one is mostly an office chair with "gaming" design which would fit perfectly in my setup!
I use office chairs, I code a lot too. My best chair so far costed 25€ new. Theres a point of diminishing returns and it can be achieved with a small investment if you get lucky
Yea I agree. I had a "racing" chair, but went to an Autonomous Ergochair 2, and I love it. Probably wont upgrade until I decide to spend the money on a Herman Miller.
$1000 Herman Miller Chair vs. $1000 RX 7900 XTX. Both will improve you gaming experience but you can only pick one. (Not getting technical about the exact price, you get the idea)
And it wouldn't fit most body types anyway coz the armrests seem to be designed for taller people, but the seat depth is way too shallow and seems to be designed for shorter people. Herman Miller completely missed the mark with the sizing and measurements on this chair. Check out this video and you'll know what I'm talking about: ruclips.net/video/feIaY_XlG4I/видео.html.
People really need to consider getting better chairs. Steelcase or Herman Miller do actually make a big difference. I was working from home and doing gaming in the same chair every day for like 11 hours total for a period, so I decided I needed something better than a run of the mill 'leather' office chair that everyone for some reason just acquires lmao. I researched it and heard great things about the Ikea Markus. So I went down to Ikea and bought one for I believe around $200. It was a nice design and a step up, but I was still uncomfortable at the end of the day. So I searched for something better. The two options that are by far the most popular are the Herman Miller Aeron and the Steelcase Leap (which I've had for 6 years now.) They're really expensive new so I decided to check Craigslist. I found a company who liquidates office furniture (from a failed tech business who had 50 high end chairs for their employees for example) and they had a pretty big store where they had them all on display. So I was able to checkout both the Aeron and Leap. The Aeron was really comfy, but something about the Leap was more comfortable after spending like 20 minutes thoroughly looking at each one. I left with a Steelcase Leap for $150 in great shape. Stopped at the store on the way home and grabbed some upholstery cleaner and a brush. The chairs looked mint but still, a used chair is kind of strange lol. Spent 20 minutes cleaning the hell out of the chair and let it air dry for a day or two. Edit: I should note, I've been using an Aeron at work in the office for 2 years now and it's 95% as good, but it's all personal preference. I prefer the fabric upholstery over pure mesh. The first day I used that thing I was blown away. I didn't have any back pain or discomfort at all (and as I mentioned, I was spending a ridiculous amount of time in it due to circumstances at the time.) I didn't have any weird feelings in my lower back or anything of the sort which I always had to atleast some level with the other chairs mentioned. These ergonomic chairs have a ton of adjustability so after you use it for a few weeks you can really dial it in to what works best for you and it gets even a little better. I really can't recommend a proper ergonomic chair enough. I was putting them through an extreme use case. But even if you only use it for 10 hours a week, that still is a long long time over the course of say 20 years. Constantly sitting in an improper chair is going to come back to bite you over a long enough period. One thing to mention is that neither the Steelcase or Herman Miller felt like a cloud when I first sat down in it. I feel people really get deceived by judging a chair based on that. It's not supposed to be extremely comfortable right away. If that were to be the case then it definitely wouldn't have proper support. These chairs are supposed to keep your body aligned in the proper way so when you spend hours and hours in that same (or similar) position, it will put as little strain on your body as possible. That's the important part. Not sinking into it with comfort like you would a La-Z-Boy or whatever. If you spend a lot of time in your chair (or especially work from home) then you should consider investing in a quality chair built for the task. Your back will thank you at some point. Nowadays I would just shell out for a new chair because I've seen the light. But back then I didn't know how much I bought in and couldn't justify throwing down that much cash. So if you're on a budget, definitely check around for used office supply stores. As I said, a lot of these chairs were probably barely used and came from the storage room from some failed tech startup. You can get em for a bargain, they're built to last and parts are readily available should you need to fix it. Or don't and buy whatever garbage your favorite Twitch streamer is pushing, I'm not your mom lmaooo
I was lucky enough to score a pair of Herman Miller Sayl chairs this summer for $50 I needed to replace the gas cylinders and their arm pads. Such a good bargain. Getting a used high end chair is a decent move if you can find ones in decent shape for a good price.
I tried that and didn't find it had enough back support for me. I have a bad back. The Aeron is serving me well though. But sayl for $50! What a bargain, and looks great too!
I bought a Sayl for my home office just because it looks gorgeous, but I too have bought a used Aeron at a corporate fire sale. I think I paid £430 for it, when it is ~£1000 new. Still using it 3yrs later, no issues whatsoever.
I'm gonna stick to my guns on this one... nice chair, but needs to be about 1/3 the price. I just don't get $750-1k for a chair. At least they didn't make the arm rests swivel, though!!!
So for UK gamers the $795 US becomes £1,126 which even taking into account tax is about 40% more expensive! Wonder how they justify such a crazy price, even if you import it from the US with VAT that still works out over £300 cheaper...
I'd say importers have to pay that tax too therefore the price diff in Europe. I guess it's meant to incentivize buying local European products before considering products from abroad.
@@g0mium Yeah you could be right, although most companies tend to offer at least a somewhat reasonable international price considering it's directly from HM instead of a third party importer - they surely have some kind of European distribution network?
@@TheToasterOfDeath duties are often just to force you to buy a domestically made brand...for you thatd be a UK made chair.....the chinese stuff is so much cheaper and often doesnt get as high of a tariff/import duty due to politics...i make no claim to know your countries duties and tariffs or politics
Every time I watch any chair review/first impressions I wonder why we can't get an automotive chair propped up on casters. I don't care if it's heavy as fuck, requires tools to height adjust, and a pain to get in your house, I'm never more comfortable in a chair than in my car and replacement seats for your car run you about as much or even less than this does.
It's not. Herman miller embody is better. Higher price point though but if you want something for the vantum price point look at something from steel case. Paid video lol
This seems like a $300-$400 chair for $800. It is probably a decent chair and perhaps it is made from better materials then the ones that are half the price, but a good bit of that price is probably the Herman Miller tax. I never have tried a Herman Miller, but I have tried a couple of of very similar chairs from autonomous and dourest that cost about $300-$400. They are decent chairs, but not really worth even that price in my opinion. My favorite chair has ended up being a cheap $150 all mesh chair that I got from Staples, despite being less then half the price of some of my other chairs I find it more comfortable and after 2 years of very hard use (I work form home, then usually game after work so I sit in it 12+ hours a day) The chair shows very few signs of wear, so I expect it to last me a number of years. If ever buy a Herman Miller I would get one of their super expensive chairs that at least are different from what you can get from other brands, these basic ones are just too much like chairs you can get elsewhere for a fraction of the price.
I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, not everyone needs to spend money on an ergo chair to sit comfortably. However, there is a reason for the price, part of the cost is the 12 year warranty, they basically price in two chairs. It also includes shipping costs, but these ergo chairs have large design teams for aesthetics, engineering and kinesthesiology. There are a significant portion of aerons that live to be 30 from the aeron v1, so you may never have to buy an office chair again. I have a haworth fern, and I've never sat in something so comfortable in my life. I had a Autonomous ErgoChair Pro+, it was too small for me. I hated the lack of adjustable lumbar, and the width at the shoulders was really awkward. The fern narrows as you go up the back, so at the top I have free range of motion, and the chair has even better flexibility. I like the adjustment systems more, too. It's also significantly quieter. I do have a complaint but it is a noticeable standard of living upgrade over everything else I've tried.
Linus' take on this chair is the most accurate thing that has been said in this whole video, but they still missed out on a couple of major cons like the fact that the seat depth is wayyy too shallow even at its max position and that the headrest is near to impossible to adjust when sitting down in the chair. Honestly, even at its "low" price for a Herman Miller chair, it is still one of the worst, if not the worst chair that Herman Miller has ever produced imo.
I was looking at these and others last month, $200 Staples chair was the end of its life (more like a year plus past it) and was not going to keep buying a chair that was destroying my body and needed to be replaced every 1-3 years. Ended up getting a Steelcase Gesture and I'm probably still in the honeymoon period, but this might be the best money I've ever spent. If you can justify it, which is a major purchase, get one of these "real" chairs from a reputable brand that will last for well over a decade (even if you have to go down in their lines) over something that you see people getting paid to sell you on their streams. Unfortunately, furniture has been something that's been hugely impacted by inflation this year - good office furniture is up 30-40% from the most reputable companies from the start of the year.
Bought mine used through a ebay seller that deals in refurbed office equipment for $500, did not come with the headrest and I wish the seat was a little cushier but would agree with you that it's a great chair.
As I was watching this, I realized my current chair had slowly sank over the last 2-3 hours of sitting and my back/hips were killing me. I went ahead and yolo'd a Vantum on the spot since I've been lusting after it and the Embody for a few months now. The included headrest is really what sold me on the Vantum. Let's gooooooo
Bruh, I hope u did not buy the Vantum based ONLY on this video alone. Please please do some proper research b4 buying the HM Vantum. This video is one of the most empty-handed takes on this chair and the chair is way worse than it actually seems in this video. They didn't even mention the major cons of this chair like the fact that the seat depth is too shallow even at its max position and that the awful headrest is next to impossible to adjust while sitting down in the chair without breaking your fingers. The sizing is atrocious on this chair, especially for a Herman Miller one, and the build quality is below my expectations of what I expect a Herman Miller product to be. I'm honestly shocked that HM even included the same 12-year warranty for the Vantum as they did for their higher-end chairs like the Embody and Aeron. I HIGHLY recommend u watch other reviews of this chair like from Ahnestly and BTODtv b4 making a final decision on buying this chair.
@@drewhinners8793 HM support is fantastic, if you get in contact now before the product ships they'll change the order within 2 days. But like Dylan Loo said, you should check out other reviews. Your height&weight are very important factors in picking a chair, it should be sized to fit you. Where you need support, how you use the chair, the temperature of the room, etc. all matter in what makes a good chair. If you want to be held in place to get max spine alignment, chairs like the vantum and aeron are good, along with other hard frame mesh chairs. If you like to stretch, the haworth fern, ergochair pro+ and embody are great options. Steelcase offers a middle ground, and their chairs are fabric with cushion, making them warmer than mesh chairs. BTOD and Ahnestly are the two best channels for chair reviews, probably.
if someone says they can feel the base under the cushion on their first sit - i'm immediately out. i've got the secret lab titan and only after 3 years can i feel the base, which is mainly in the center, as the outside of the base seems to use metal struts with like 5-6 inches of foam. it was like half the price of this thing.
As someone who has had crap chairs in the past but is currently using a Steelcase, chairs are absolutely something where you get what you pay for. And for the health benefits from a well designed ergonomic chair, it's well worth it.
Couldn't agree more. I just recently did a desk overhaul, I got a sit/stand desk, and a nice ergo chair at a steal. I'm 6'8" (just over 2m in metric), I haven't sat in a desk/chair and had lumbar support where I need it in over a decade.
Also, how to adjust a chair to sit properly is important to know if you sit a lot. This video is a good starting point, and there are more videos in the playlist it's in if you want to know more: ruclips.net/video/Du0VU0hOvlQ/видео.html
I'm kind of surprised that they didn't scan the QR code and check out the adjustment instructions for this chair (as mentioned on the box near the beginning).
The first times I heard the price my brain kept blocking out the $900 and just kept the $95 lmao. I know 'gamer chairs' can be expensive but lordy I barely want to spend $100 on a chair let alone basically 10 times the amount. For those that can afford/enjoy these types of chairs I do hope you get something out of them.
Its a herman miller, its a brand name office chair where companies are able to write off the cost to a great degree. So the actual cost to the company is 1700 - tax write offs the gamer chairs can't be less expensize otherwise it would be devaluing the brand. Also lot easier spending a companys money on an expensive chair vs your own wallet
I worked selling office furniture. The quality is completely different. These brands are weighted for higher weights, stronger builds, better components, rated to be sat on for longer and adjustable where it’s needed. I bought a Herman Miller decade after working there for home and another for work because my companies a tight arse. If you have back issues, tall or work long hours sitting down they are worth it. A good mattress is about the same and I spend more hours in the chair then I do in bed.
@@justbob333 You're also paying for the 12 year warranty, they price in 2 chairs essentially. But if you've never sat in one of these chairs, you don't know what your missing. My back doesn't hurt when I'm standing anymore, after 1 week in an awesome new chair.
$800 for a chair made of recycled plastic is a tough pill to swallow, regardless of how comfy it is. At least gaming chairs give the "illusion" of premium with leather/pleather.
@@TimI1S It's a chair. I have a really nice one. Cost me $129 two years ago. Comfy, adjustable, rolls nicely, looks good, and holds my oversized butt. No office chair (and that's what it is) should cost a grand. That's just silly. Buy a $150 chair and put the other $850 into a better computer. That $850 will buy you TWO 4TB NVMe SSD's....
That chair doesn't seem like it should be more than $500. That's how much I paid for the Steelcase Series 1, which has all the adjustments of this chair. I have no idea how good the Embody is.
It’s so nice of Linus to let Colton make videos even though he doesn’t work there anymore.
I mean Colton is the chairman of LMG
@@ilajoie3 really?
@@viper627 he’s the head of business development
Dennis: Colton can you review a chair for short circuit?
Colton: Why can’t you?
Dennis: it’s not massage chair! Also I need to plan out how to take out Linus so I can become boss of LTT!
Colton: and then you will un-fire me?
Dennis hesitatingly: sure Colton!
How charitable of LMG to let a shamed former employee continue to present.
For anyone considering one of these, I would recommend checking out other reviews before deciding. Common thread seems to be the chair is decent, however it is not Herman Miller good when compared to the rest of their line up, despite carrying a Herman Miller price.
Steve nexus says to just get an office chair.
@@bighunterman77 this basically is...
I mean to me it looks like Herman Miller made a SteelCase.
@@profosist Steelcase makes better chairs than this at the same price
@@ch.illmatic never said I didn't one would hope that they would be better at making the design chair that they're used to making
Hey all,
Thank you for actually having people of different sizes sitting in the chair.
That helps out as I am a big boy and would like to know how the seat feels.
Makes me feel included, thanks!
I love this chair. The only complaint I have is the front/back/side armrest adjustments move too easily as the don't lock...up and down is great and with little play. For reference, I am 6'2", 190lbs. You might think you are bottoming out on the seat, but you're not, it's just a firm pad that gets more firm the deeper you sink. The chair is mostly plastic but feels premium and make is light and easy to move when you need to. The headrest is amazing and I am glad you have to stand up to adjust it up and down. The lumbar is great as well. I got the black one because I'm not 12.
"glass filled" means fiberglass, not... window glass - it seriously improves the strength of the material.
I worked at Herman for 18 years I am glad to hear such positive things.
You think it's actually better than the Embody?
@@CapFlipGaming for some yes some no depends on the person you really need to go sit in it and test it out to see if it’s right for you
I may need to start doing YT series myself to warn people that expensive brands and their chairs are mostly NOT gaming chairs, for home comfortable use. When i say comfortable use, these are missing some important features and price tags are insane: locking tilt mechanism (rarely found in any), well padded seat and back for kicking back and being able to fall asleep while watching a movie on your computer.. yeah... task chair / work chair is made for one thing - WORK ... having one at home, sure, you will use it when working... but to get sort of recliner comfortability - you can only research gaming chairs that offer these features.
I am sitting right now on Steelcase Amia I got for very cheap (luckily) but regret buying it... $200 is not much - but not sure I will have use for it, perhaps for work only when working from home.
Bought the embody during BF for 1220€, insane quality 👌🏻
I am waiting for Atlas to release its headrest tough 😬
Where did you buy it from
@@Paronak HM website this past Black Friday
The plank thing was super useful. I have a 300 dollar chair that offers many of the features of that chair but feels hard. Knowing even Linus, a much smaller dude, feels the wood (!) definitely rules that chair out.
ayo
I use an old couch cushion, propped up against the wall. Works just fine.
"Glass filled nylon" is just a weird, marketing speak way of saying it's glass fiber reinforced nylon. This greatly improves it's resistance to cracking when undergoing shear forces, such as bending while you're leaning back on it.
Most people don't know but a Steel case Amia or Amia Air are probably the best value chair from Steelcase, the prices they list online are a bit inflated I went to a local dealer and got mine for $670 Canadian, which was almost 500 less then online in the same configuration. and no it wasn't used or anything brand new in box. If you look into this model it normally end up beating all other chairs when reviewed including 3k Herman millers.
lol I paid 70€ for my gaming chair and it's good enough while also lasting long. But butt support is also thin and after a while i started to feel the metal or plastic below the foam. But i added a pillow and it's great now.
I use a Herman Miller Embody chair very expensive but worth every penny I need to be comfortable went sitting at my PC
Bought the Embody a year ago.... It is unreal. Get the Embody. There are regular sales and you can get the LG gaming version for ~$1400usd.
I bought a Secret Lab Titan back in 2020. My biggest complaint is that the seat cushion isn't cushion-y enough. After two years, I had to buy a memory foam cushion to make it comfortable again. The Herman Miller chair reviewed here seems to have a similar issue.
With all these chair videos you should check out the Autonomous ErgoChair Pro. I have been super happy with the build quality and by comparison to this its more budget friendly.
overall, the chair is comfortable, but the size of the seat itself was too small, I acutally switched to an Aeron. and Im 5'5 lol
Yea they forgot to mention a major con about this chair and that is that the seat depth is too shallow even at its max position. Plouffe had it maxed out initially already and I can see it was just about perfect for him and he's short. So anyone taller than him is gonna have a hard time with this chair.
my monobloc chair speaks for itself
I think im fine with my 150 dollar Ikea Markus
actually it seems that the price has shot up to 250 now
He is a gamer and he owns a monitor.
when i read that its 795$ i was really excited... turns out its 1300€ in EU
0:12 cries in logitech x herman miller embody
It's ridiculous how expensive these chairs are nowadays...
That (Super Maga) T-Shirt was awesome!
My office chair I got for free like 7 years ago is finally starting to wear out. Hearing the prices on these chairs seemed insane to me so I decided to finally look under my chair to find out the model and cost to replace it...turns out I've been sitting on a $2000 Steelcase Leap. I don't think I will ever be able to afford to replace it lol.
I had to look up what a $2k Steelcase Leap looked like. The most expensive configuration is $1380. Am I missing something?
Just get a refurbished or used.
@@joshiepooh what did it cost at launch?
@@joshiepooh If you configure one on their site they range from $1173 - $2621. The ready to ship ones are on the low end. I just used the Build Yours to match the color and material(mine is leather) and it came out to $2000.
What part of the Leap is wearing out? Maybe you can replace that part?
I know anything would be an upgrade over my wooden chair with a thin cushion, but this actually looks great.
You and me both buddy. haha
Man, you are reminding me of my years of back pain as a teen, I'd never let my kids sit on a crap chair, any parent that thinks they are saving money by not buying a proper chair for their kids, have fun with all the medical bills when they got chronic back pain 3 years later
lol yeah, my first chair at my desk was an old chair from a restaurant pretty much as you explained it wooden chair with a thin cushion
compared to the razer iskur, these chairs look awful and much more expensive
@@apollodorus. the razer is awful
4:14 As someone that works in the plastic industry glass filled nylon is some of the best resin you an use in an application like this. It has great structural integrity and basically lasts forever. It is also a real pain in the ass to work with lol
Finally, a gaming chair that doesn't look like a bucket seat. Still can't figure out why gaming brands always went for the most uncomfortable shape back then.
Even those goofy floor rockers are more comfortable than a bucket seat
Vertagear Trigger and Secretlab NeueChair. Also Titan Evo line of secret dont realy have a bucket seat anymore, way more freedom of movement.
I really dont see anything that makes this a gamong chair. Its an office chair that comes in different colours.
Aren't most "gaming chairs" basically just reselling like surplus bucket seats at a stupid markup?
@@Schlauigkeit so it’s a better chair then, gaming chair has never really been good in terms of quality and price efficiency
my favorite part about this chair is that it has "gamer" aesthetic while ditching the horrendous bucket seats. We've been pretending those nightmares are comfy for way too long.
They are comfortable, people just value posture over function.
but it no has the gamer glow :c
@@suppressed_viii No bucket is only comfortable if you are as thin as an racing pilot ...which are the people the bucket seat was originally created for.
@@WyvernVin I have a SecretLab chair, its comfortable. I just follow 2 simple rules tho. I let myself slouch. And if I feel any soreness, I switch positions. I don't have any issues.
@@suppressed_viii Those are not good rules to have
If a chair costs a grand and Linus, who probably doesn't even weigh 70kg, can tell the bottom cushionning is too shallow by sitting on it for twelve seconds, then maybe it's not a good product.
I had a maxnomic gaming char for years and struggled with back pain if I spent more than a couple hours at my desk. I tried upgrading to the herman miller aeron and even after a couple months with it, still had the back pain. I got a steelcase gesture and within a week my backpain was gone and hasn't returned since.
Chairs are so much about finding the right fit for your body, so it can take some work and reviews can only help so much without trying it for yourself.
I've never sat in a Steelcase chair that bothered me. I bought my Leap v2 on sale for $850 about 8 years ago, and it's still like new. Knowing what I know now, I'd have paid full price for it.
@@ribstogo12 Definitely worth it? I've gone through so many ''gaming chairs'' it's not even funny. Your typical popular $100-400 gaming chair brands....They're all dog sh** and break within a year or two and that's if you're really babying them to. I think I'm going to make an expensive move because it's costing m the same replacing my chairs every damn year. I'm close to average weight for my height at around 200lb, so I'm not even pushing their limits yet they still break easily. It's ridiculous.
@@wombat5252 definitely... I've saved money over the long run by buying an expensive chair up front, and your back will thank you from day 1. Buy direct and save your receipts. Not sure if they still do this, but when I bought mine, SC's warranty included in home service to fix any issues that probably won't arise (they're rock solid chairs).
@@ribstogo12 Thanks for the reply. I'm definitely going to be looking into those SC chairs. I'm sick of replacing my chairs every year. I thought I was saving money but obviously not. It's just wild to think about spending $1000+ on a chair though.
@@wombat5252 have you had an andaseat kaiser 3? that's what i'm getting ready to order and according to the majority of reviews they're pretty durable. the thing weighs 61 pounds so it should be pretty solid. it's $420 right now.
i thought about an office chair but couldn't really find one with a high back. even most of the ones with a headrest people say the headrest doesn't reach anywhere near their head and it would be more comfortable without the headrest digging into their upper back.
i really like the white vantum in this video, but $1,000 is too steep for me.
I’ve missed Colton videos, especially Colton chair videos. He needs to be out of the office doing business deals and on camera more! My favorite part of his chair videos are how uncomfortable the staff/whoever they wrangle to test out the chairs look. 😂
I got the Embody Gaming Chair from Herman Miller too. It is really nice and wouldn't trade but its insanely expensive compared to the Vantum.
The embody really is my perfect chair, although I've heard that one company is planning on making a headrest for it and that would be tempting
@@RecklessFables yeah that's the reason why i've bought a Aeron. For the available Headrest
Should have tried the Leap v2.
Got one in July and god damn I was surprised at how good it felt, totally feel like it was worth it
I worked at cascade engineering for a few years making parts for hermin miller. Mostly for the Mirra chairs. When I left, I purchased one and still have it over 10 years later. Hermin Miller has great r&d going into their products to be sustainable, comfy, and resilient even if they are a little pricey compared to other brands. The glass filled nylon has the benefits of being "springy" and tougher than other plastics. But dropping the glass filled nylon will give you a heart attack as it sounds like a thousand glass cups hitting the floor and shattering.
But for sure, I can BET, anyone can get MANY other options BETTER than this chair for that money, him saying "only $999" for this and going for it instead of the Embody, shows he sits in a $150 chair.
Is the chair bad? for that price? yes, for $500-$600 maybe not? would be a good pick, and still, I would go for something else after watching all the reviews out there and on r/officechairs
@@FcoEnriquePerez But it's crazy to think that we have to spend this much $$$ just for a decent chair. I've personally bought so many of those popular typical ''gaming chairs'' that are usually priced between $100-400. They are ALL complete sh**. Cheap plastics and they break within a year or two and the cushions flatten out completely. It's bad.
@@wombat5252 fool me once, shame on you...but yeah seriously, "gaming chairs" are absolutely terrible. A decent office chair can't be beaten, & Herman Miller make decent office chairs. I bought an Aeron secondhand & my only regret is not just buying a new one to make sure I have that lovely warranty just in case.
Bought a refurbed HM Aeron 3 years ago for $600 and I’ve never been more pleased with a purchase. If something does end up breaking, parts are readily available and much cheaper than buying another chair (I believe the bottom mesh cushion is about $125 for a replacement).
@@FcoEnriquePerez I don't agree with the pricing even if it was $500. The seat pad is just going to bottom out as the last few guys noted, they were ALREADY feeling the plank in the chair. If it was more in the lines of $100 then yeah I guess okay if you're fine with something that will wear out in a year or two of constant use. For the same price if you don't have an issue with your tailbone you should buy an Herman Miller Sayl office chair edition for that lumbar support. Or for a bit less you can buy an refurbished leap v2 chair through Crandall office where they replace the seat and back foam with 3/4" thicker foam and you get a pretty impressive warranty.
Plouffe has a monitor. Also he sits. He's a legend.
incorrect, he has a DISPLAY.
I'd always recommend to check office surplus sites/stores for used/refurb versions of the high end Herman Miller chairs like the Aeron. Picked one up for £260 shortly after WFH started.
Same, I got a Mirra for £150. It's pink though, but can't complain. It's not a good fit for me though so I am looking to move it on.
Damn, my secondhand Aeron cost me £400! Kinda wish I'd just bought one new for the full warranty tbh.
Refurbed Aerons and Mirras are around $500-650 depending where you get them from my area or online. The former I only have one option in a used furniture dealer without warranty and otherwise the minute amount of local private sellers if any. For people like me you can only really pick them up used or refurbed online and hopefully with a warranty with a legit refurbed site.
Man, I'm so glad to see LTT getting into the Holiday Spirit this December by getting Ralphie from A Christmas Story to review a chair! Love you guys! ;)
Wait the seat doesn't tilt? for 900 dollars? I was looking for a new chair, my GT omega is worn out. But I want full and locking tilt. I'm a desk racer. i hope you guys are gonna do more chair reviews.
About 5 years ago, the company my dad works at downsized and their office department were getting rid of their office chairs. At the time I wasn't familiar with the name Herman Miller, but I knew office departments were known to have high-end chairs. There were a few good condition chairs at my dad's work and he told me I should swing by and take one home. So I drove the 5 mile round trip to picknone up and use in my room. It was a very comfy mesh office chair, a bit used and worn in, but I loved it. It wasn't until a few months later, after watching a LTT/Gamers Nexus video on office vs gamer chairs, that I realized that my chair looked very similar to the Herman Miller that was being shown. I searched for markings on my chair to see if my hunch was correct, and lo and behold, it turned out my chair was indeed a genuine Herman Miller Aeron. I had essentially paid less than $2 USD in gas for an HM Aeron. I later found an aftermarket headrest designed by former HM Aeron designers that aleviated the lack of head support for the Aeron too.
Years later and even after it's use in the office space, this chair still holds up to it's design and quality and has easily been the best money I never spent for my setup
That similarly happened to me many years ago, no joke. Friend owned a company and had a bunch of office chairs that he didn't need. He let me take it home. Lasted me probably 7 or so years which is good for an already used office chair. I can't remember the brand anymore but I remember looking into it see the original price. I couldn't believe that I had a $1400 chair for free. LOL the thing was so sturdy and strong. The fabric finally started ripping and the bottom broke but man that thing lasted so long and was SUPER comfortable.
I think it would be hard to buy a chair online, just for the body type factor. I appreciate the review but I think that without actually sitting on a piece of furniture it would be too hard to buy something based on what a person says about it. My biggest problem is I live 5 hours from the nearest store that might actually carry anything like this...
Make it a nice trip. I'm in a similar situation, called some places before to make sure they had the models I wanted to try. Spend 2 days on it, now I'm set for at least 12 years :)
I was kinda lucky, when WFH started, I saw that the company that made the chairs from our office also sells retail, so I could buy the same exact chair I was used to for me. But every other chair I had before, I bought in person
@@HanCurunyr that's super lucky, not quite sight unseen but close enough.
where can you even go to try out office chairs?
@@squidwardo7074not sure these days, i used to go to Staples a lot, IKEA has a decent selection (but it is IKEA). I don't have a microcenter or best buy close but I'd wager they might be a good bet
I love that they always get multiple people to try it out
Colton is always fun. I can't believe he's a business/ sales guy!
I love that linus came in an shat on the chair... It actually gives me hope that their views are their own and not bought by the sponsors or fancy products.
you really question the integrity? that seams out of touch to me sorry not sorry Linus comes of as more genuine than almost any1 in history lol
@@accelement3499 You believe everything you watch? I like linus but he will still have his bias. I like that we get to see different views within his team.
@@Kay8B if youve seen enough you can see his bias and the others in the review its part of the genuineness they all kinda have the point i was trying to make is hes not lying for money and that is clear but you can feel some products and scenarios how out of touch they can be because of the access they have i just see liars lying is all and companies be damned we will get content from the LTT team
@@accelement3499 The LTT team can sometimes have bad takes but they seem genuine. Unless it's a straight-up sponsored showcase, they have integrity. You can trust they won't sell you on complete scams.
@@accelement3499 - Wrong. Everything. All of it. Entirely, utterly, wrong.
Can we get Anthony to review some Big and Tall chairs? We love Anthony, and us big people need good chairs too!
At these price points, you really wanna try before you buy. I like my Steelcase Leap v2 over the Herman Miller Aeron when I bought mine two years ago
I've got the Leap v2 as well and it's incredible, seems very comparable to this model.
How do you compare without buying? Can't really find furniture stores that sell Hermans and Steelcases
@@rbae Often times these companies have physical dealerships in different cities that you can try their furniture out at.
leap got a wobbly seat unfortunately 😕
I tried both, and got Leap V2 over Aeron too. Way more comfortable for long sessions at home. Still ended up with Aeron at work. It's not bad.
That Linus pillow in the background is going to haunt my nightmares...
also nice chair btw!
I've had the Herman Miller Embody and the Aeron. To be honest, I didn't like the hard edges on the Aeron and the Embody simply felt hard, it even made my tailbone hurt after a week. I currently use a Secret lab Titan that I've had for 3,5 years and I think it's better for me. It's also a 3rd of the cost which is nice.
Interesting... for me Steelcase Leap is the holy grail of ergo chair. I used to run the ergoprogram for the company I worked for and always got better comments from Steelcase chairs. We had SC Leaps, Gestures, Series 1 vs HM Embody, Amias and Aeron.
The chair market really tends to be as Colton put it - you get what you pay for. After going through multiple chairs in the past from Staples, I had enough. I picked up an Aeron earlier this year and I've thoroughly loved it ever since. The *only* shortcoming I've encountered with it was the frame design and how it can cut into your legs if you're not sat right, and the fact it didn't come with a headrest.
As far as I am aware, this is pretty well the only HM product to come direct from the factory with a headrest. Glad to see a more moderately priced HM product that can last for a long time! Thanks for looking into it, ShortCircuit fellows!
get an atlas headrest
@bigguschungus968 I did, actually! It's a very comfortable headrest. Might get the mesh version too, just in case I want to have the breathability for hotter days.
Love seeing Linus take the skrewdriver out of his pocket any time he needs to sit down😂
Yay! Colton!
Just playing lol. Everyone knows you’re the worst.
He's probably getting fired after this vid.
You guys should try Ikea’s new gaming chairs including the styrspel, and my fav chair, the Markus.
Got the Herman Miller x Logitech G Embody chair back around release day. Tried some Herman Miller chairs in my previous job which got to get the Embody instead of the Aeron. When I bought the Embody, it was $1400 before the price increase.
it was on sale for 1286.50€ a week ago.
just ordered one :)
What is the most popular chair in the office? I think it's time for a wander about and ask what everyone is using.
This shortcircuit was so entertaining while hitting all the points of a short circuit. Kind of wish the audio could have been fixed to actually reflect the USD pricing error aside from the subtitles, but overall was really good!
The speed run and getting others in the office to try it was great, and I really liked the anecdotes comparing other chairs!
My 100$ ergonomic have a same quality as this one, the adjusment also kinda same, maybe the recycle things make it more expensive.
Your paying for a name with this nothing else
@@user-5885 yeah, I'm sure ikea stuff comes with a 12 year warranty and 30 day return policy.
My Herman Miller Aeron chair just turned 11 years old and is still working great. I have used it as my only gaming and home office chair for over a decade. The price at the time of purchasing did feel high, but now that I average out the price to the amount of use it has seen it doesn't feel that expensive anymore. That chair has moved house with me three times and doesn't show signs of breaking down.
I have added an aftermarket head rest to it as originally it did not have one.
Agreed. I feel like if you're going into this price bracket, might as well spring for an Aeron. More customizability, probably longer lasting since it's suuuper easy to find replacement parts, and all around a great chair. Never been a fan of gaming chairs, they always seem like a ripoff depending on how long the seat foam holds up
Hm, those arm rests look quite similar to the ones they serve over at $300 RESPAWN gaming chair center...
No! These are Herman Miller Armrests.. Old family recipe..
The black one looks like a regular decent $200 office chair from 15 years ago.
Except now it costs $1,000
its the other way around. The $200 chair looks like a $1000+ chair from 10 years before that.
I mean its not uncommon companies put up their aerons (which can go up to $2K) for $100 or even free because it "looks like a regular chair". Just because something isnt flashy doesnt mean its features or quality is somehow less valuable
@@userblame632 And just because something is valuable doesn't mean you should be charged out the nose for it.
Like air for example.
It's just a friecking chair. It's a few bits of simple metal, plastic, and fabric, arranged together. All it has to do is sit there and not hurt my back. But when people get into that whole, _“OOOh you can't put a price on the health of your spine!”_ well then suddenly $10,000 is technically a bargain.
Every company wants you to think they deeply researched the complexities of the human spine at the atomic level. No they just copied the design of someone else's chair. We've had the chair pretty much figured out for over a hundred years.
Now all of a sudden a *_thousand dollars_* is being talked about like it's a bargain.
It's absolute insanity.
@@naryanr do you need to spend 1K to find a good ergonomic chair? No, but will finding a cheaper ergonomic chair be easier than buying one from steelcase or herman miller? Companies which have long warranties, retail stores so you can pick a chair which fits you best, and are proven to be good quality (since most companies use them due to their durability and comfort)? No. A thousand dollars isnt a bargain but its a bargain for a chair from this company. Its like Porsche making a 40K car. Its not a bargain overall but for that company it is.
I beg to differ that these expensive ergo chairs are just "copied designs" and the chair doesnt need to be more complex than plywood arranged at a right angle. Ive sat in plenty of chairs and all of them get really uncomfortable. Chairs in college are comfortable for an hour or two, but at the end of a lecture im itching to move. Ive sat in a couple chairs for home use and all of them get uncomfortable. Hell one even started giving me back pain. I have an aeron and it wasnt cheap by any means (buy used. Like i said, if youre lucky you could pick one up for $100), but I can literally sit in it for 16 hours with the straightest back ever (whereas for normal chairs I sink down) and I dont feel uncomfortable at all. Its honestly almost detrimental since it prevents me from walking around (since cheap chairs hurt so I need to take a break), but thats cause im lazy.
It being assembled before you buy it makes the quality so much better. Less user mistakes.
Hermann Miller Embody all the way... Bought one during Black Friday and can't believe how good it is 😍 seeing this new one makes me even happier about getting the Embody!
Only thing that would make the embody better would be an optional headrest
@@IcalebthelionI Agreed but I feel it doesn't really need it because of the shape of the back rest, but that's just me 🤷♂️ interested to see the Atlas headrest when it's released though!
The UK is getting screwed on these badly. $795 USD would be £654 GBP, I know not a fair comparison because VAT. So add 20% VAT (~£131) and you end up at ~£775.
That would be a fair price, similar to some of the gaming chairs in a real leather version.
But this thing is... £1126. That's £451 EXTRA!!! So basically in the US you could buy this Chair AND a Secret Labs chair (which is an expensive chair as well imo) for the price that in the UK gets you just this chair.
Why do you hate the UK Herman Miller? Why?
in germany where this chair is produced it costs 1309€
@@pokerface64440 Should be about €1291 going by the GBP to EUR conversion. So Germany is getting screwed even harder. Their loss I suppose as there can't be many people to buy them at those extortionate prices.
I have a Mira 2 and love it. It was probably way too expensive, but it really is better than just about any other chair I've sat in
I have a Steelcase Leap which is a similarly probably too expensive ergo chair, but it's a gamechanger if you spend a lot of time in it. I used a Herman Miller Aeron at work and the Leap at home. Both are awesome and way better than anything from Office Depot or similar. But I prefer the Leap. Get those butts in proper chairs gamers. Your backs will thank you lmao.
When you think about the cost of repairing or replacing your back with surgery or PT, the chairs are cheap.
@TwinTurbo Ray They are quality chairs, but saying a chair over $500 is not expensive is just delusional.
@TwinTurbo Ray Like I said, they are quality chairs, I can understand $1k, but a lot of their chairs go over that, even without the upgrades. You're simply paying for the brand. There are other chairs that cost less, last a long time, and are very similar in ergonomics, features and quality.
This whole "if you don't own a Herman Miller chair, you are slowly killing yourself" is so weird.. but I guess you do own 3, so you have to justify it somehow.
@NakedTrashPanda no, you're the one justifying not spending the cash. A lot of assertions from someone who's only sat I an ikea chair. I have a haworth fern, if you wanted it speed the same it'd cost 1,400. It has the best lumbar, best flexibility, but best contact surfaces of any chair I've ever sat in. It made my lower back pain disappear in 7 days. Like you, before I ever experienced this sort of chair I wasn't sure how they'd justify the price, but they most certainly did.
Thank god Linus sat on it… would have spent a lot of money for an uncomfortable chair otherwise. Man tells it as it is. Always.
This chair is incredibly disappointing compared to other Herman Miller chairs. I was able to try one out (thankfully) and I truly dislike many things about it. The seat depth is way too short for some reason, its like it was made for people 5'6" and under. Im also only 5'10" and it was a problem for me, so good luck to anyone taller than that. The headrest wants to fold your neck in half when reclining. Its also super hard to adjust and just feels straight up garbage. The seat cushion is mediocre for a Herman miller chair. This was a cool concept and I can see where they were going with this, but it is very poorly executed for a company with as many resources as Herman Miller. This chair gets outclassed by so many other chairs at the $1000 price point. Don't fall for the GAMER chair gimmick!!
Finally a gaming chair i would actually buy! I really dont like these "typical" gaming chair's like the one PewDiePie uses.
This one is mostly an office chair with "gaming" design which would fit perfectly in my setup!
I use office chairs, I code a lot too. My best chair so far costed 25€ new. Theres a point of diminishing returns and it can be achieved with a small investment if you get lucky
Yea I agree. I had a "racing" chair, but went to an Autonomous Ergochair 2, and I love it. Probably wont upgrade until I decide to spend the money on a Herman Miller.
$1000 Herman Miller Chair vs. $1000 RX 7900 XTX. Both will improve you gaming experience but you can only pick one. (Not getting technical about the exact price, you get the idea)
Would be nice to test different body sizes on it
And it wouldn't fit most body types anyway coz the armrests seem to be designed for taller people, but the seat depth is way too shallow and seems to be designed for shorter people. Herman Miller completely missed the mark with the sizing and measurements on this chair. Check out this video and you'll know what I'm talking about: ruclips.net/video/feIaY_XlG4I/видео.html.
Bell wearing a Super Mega shirt. its good to see a fellow Meg-head on the LTT crew. Matt and Ryan will be proud
I was looking for this lmao
People really need to consider getting better chairs. Steelcase or Herman Miller do actually make a big difference. I was working from home and doing gaming in the same chair every day for like 11 hours total for a period, so I decided I needed something better than a run of the mill 'leather' office chair that everyone for some reason just acquires lmao. I researched it and heard great things about the Ikea Markus. So I went down to Ikea and bought one for I believe around $200. It was a nice design and a step up, but I was still uncomfortable at the end of the day. So I searched for something better.
The two options that are by far the most popular are the Herman Miller Aeron and the Steelcase Leap (which I've had for 6 years now.) They're really expensive new so I decided to check Craigslist. I found a company who liquidates office furniture (from a failed tech business who had 50 high end chairs for their employees for example) and they had a pretty big store where they had them all on display. So I was able to checkout both the Aeron and Leap. The Aeron was really comfy, but something about the Leap was more comfortable after spending like 20 minutes thoroughly looking at each one. I left with a Steelcase Leap for $150 in great shape. Stopped at the store on the way home and grabbed some upholstery cleaner and a brush. The chairs looked mint but still, a used chair is kind of strange lol. Spent 20 minutes cleaning the hell out of the chair and let it air dry for a day or two. Edit: I should note, I've been using an Aeron at work in the office for 2 years now and it's 95% as good, but it's all personal preference. I prefer the fabric upholstery over pure mesh.
The first day I used that thing I was blown away. I didn't have any back pain or discomfort at all (and as I mentioned, I was spending a ridiculous amount of time in it due to circumstances at the time.) I didn't have any weird feelings in my lower back or anything of the sort which I always had to atleast some level with the other chairs mentioned. These ergonomic chairs have a ton of adjustability so after you use it for a few weeks you can really dial it in to what works best for you and it gets even a little better. I really can't recommend a proper ergonomic chair enough. I was putting them through an extreme use case. But even if you only use it for 10 hours a week, that still is a long long time over the course of say 20 years. Constantly sitting in an improper chair is going to come back to bite you over a long enough period.
One thing to mention is that neither the Steelcase or Herman Miller felt like a cloud when I first sat down in it. I feel people really get deceived by judging a chair based on that. It's not supposed to be extremely comfortable right away. If that were to be the case then it definitely wouldn't have proper support. These chairs are supposed to keep your body aligned in the proper way so when you spend hours and hours in that same (or similar) position, it will put as little strain on your body as possible. That's the important part. Not sinking into it with comfort like you would a La-Z-Boy or whatever.
If you spend a lot of time in your chair (or especially work from home) then you should consider investing in a quality chair built for the task. Your back will thank you at some point. Nowadays I would just shell out for a new chair because I've seen the light. But back then I didn't know how much I bought in and couldn't justify throwing down that much cash. So if you're on a budget, definitely check around for used office supply stores. As I said, a lot of these chairs were probably barely used and came from the storage room from some failed tech startup. You can get em for a bargain, they're built to last and parts are readily available should you need to fix it.
Or don't and buy whatever garbage your favorite Twitch streamer is pushing, I'm not your mom lmaooo
I was lucky enough to score a pair of Herman Miller Sayl chairs this summer for $50
I needed to replace the gas cylinders and their arm pads.
Such a good bargain. Getting a used high end chair is a decent move if you can find ones in decent shape for a good price.
I tried that and didn't find it had enough back support for me. I have a bad back. The Aeron is serving me well though. But sayl for $50! What a bargain, and looks great too!
I bought a Sayl for my home office just because it looks gorgeous, but I too have bought a used Aeron at a corporate fire sale. I think I paid £430 for it, when it is ~£1000 new. Still using it 3yrs later, no issues whatsoever.
Sayl chairs looks nice yes, but I doubt lumbar support is good?
I'm gonna stick to my guns on this one... nice chair, but needs to be about 1/3 the price. I just don't get $750-1k for a chair. At least they didn't make the arm rests swivel, though!!!
So for UK gamers the $795 US becomes £1,126 which even taking into account tax is about 40% more expensive! Wonder how they justify such a crazy price, even if you import it from the US with VAT that still works out over £300 cheaper...
You'd have to pay insane import duties if you buy it from the US tho.
I'd say importers have to pay that tax too therefore the price diff in Europe. I guess it's meant to incentivize buying local European products before considering products from abroad.
@@g0mium Yeah you could be right, although most companies tend to offer at least a somewhat reasonable international price considering it's directly from HM instead of a third party importer - they surely have some kind of European distribution network?
@@g0mium most likely, US taxes are some kind of black magic lol - do you pay extra in the US before it's even exported to another country?
@@TheToasterOfDeath duties are often just to force you to buy a domestically made brand...for you thatd be a UK made chair.....the chinese stuff is so much cheaper and often doesnt get as high of a tariff/import duty due to politics...i make no claim to know your countries duties and tariffs or politics
11:40 Forget the back... Does your butt touch the wood...? And it does -- the chair is uncomfortable and expensive.
Love to see Bell reping the supermega boys
Every time I watch any chair review/first impressions I wonder why we can't get an automotive chair propped up on casters. I don't care if it's heavy as fuck, requires tools to height adjust, and a pain to get in your house, I'm never more comfortable in a chair than in my car and replacement seats for your car run you about as much or even less than this does.
When Colton becomes the resident chair tester
It's not. Herman miller embody is better. Higher price point though but if you want something for the vantum price point look at something from steel case. Paid video lol
This seems like a $300-$400 chair for $800. It is probably a decent chair and perhaps it is made from better materials then the ones that are half the price, but a good bit of that price is probably the Herman Miller tax. I never have tried a Herman Miller, but I have tried a couple of of very similar chairs from autonomous and dourest that cost about $300-$400. They are decent chairs, but not really worth even that price in my opinion. My favorite chair has ended up being a cheap $150 all mesh chair that I got from Staples, despite being less then half the price of some of my other chairs I find it more comfortable and after 2 years of very hard use (I work form home, then usually game after work so I sit in it 12+ hours a day) The chair shows very few signs of wear, so I expect it to last me a number of years. If ever buy a Herman Miller I would get one of their super expensive chairs that at least are different from what you can get from other brands, these basic ones are just too much like chairs you can get elsewhere for a fraction of the price.
It's probably closer to a $150-200 chair for $800....
I'm glad you're happy with your purchase, not everyone needs to spend money on an ergo chair to sit comfortably. However, there is a reason for the price, part of the cost is the 12 year warranty, they basically price in two chairs. It also includes shipping costs, but these ergo chairs have large design teams for aesthetics, engineering and kinesthesiology. There are a significant portion of aerons that live to be 30 from the aeron v1, so you may never have to buy an office chair again. I have a haworth fern, and I've never sat in something so comfortable in my life. I had a Autonomous ErgoChair Pro+, it was too small for me. I hated the lack of adjustable lumbar, and the width at the shoulders was really awkward. The fern narrows as you go up the back, so at the top I have free range of motion, and the chair has even better flexibility. I like the adjustment systems more, too. It's also significantly quieter. I do have a complaint but it is a noticeable standard of living upgrade over everything else I've tried.
You can't convince me to buy anything other than the mighty monobloc. The monobloc can give you what others can't, the greatest motivation.
I hope someday LMG will do a video entitled, “Gaming chairs are silly. Just buy an office chair.”
Yea lol. Like I always say "a good gaming chair is a good office one"
They already did
@@beet111 Post the link then
Linus' take on this chair is the most accurate thing that has been said in this whole video, but they still missed out on a couple of major cons like the fact that the seat depth is wayyy too shallow even at its max position and that the headrest is near to impossible to adjust when sitting down in the chair. Honestly, even at its "low" price for a Herman Miller chair, it is still one of the worst, if not the worst chair that Herman Miller has ever produced imo.
You know whats better than one gaming chair? two gaming chairs!
-Colton 2022
Nah an ergonomic office chair is even better than two gaming chairs.
I have a wheelchair as my gaming chair. Not very comfortable, but I can roll around my room when I get bored which is fun.
I was looking at these and others last month, $200 Staples chair was the end of its life (more like a year plus past it) and was not going to keep buying a chair that was destroying my body and needed to be replaced every 1-3 years. Ended up getting a Steelcase Gesture and I'm probably still in the honeymoon period, but this might be the best money I've ever spent. If you can justify it, which is a major purchase, get one of these "real" chairs from a reputable brand that will last for well over a decade (even if you have to go down in their lines) over something that you see people getting paid to sell you on their streams. Unfortunately, furniture has been something that's been hugely impacted by inflation this year - good office furniture is up 30-40% from the most reputable companies from the start of the year.
Most of these "reputable brands" are so overpriced, it borders on insanity.
Bought mine used through a ebay seller that deals in refurbed office equipment for $500, did not come with the headrest and I wish the seat was a little cushier but would agree with you that it's a great chair.
As I was watching this, I realized my current chair had slowly sank over the last 2-3 hours of sitting and my back/hips were killing me. I went ahead and yolo'd a Vantum on the spot since I've been lusting after it and the Embody for a few months now. The included headrest is really what sold me on the Vantum. Let's gooooooo
Yeah the lack of headrest really puts me off the Embody
@@Reaga85 I think my biggest regret might be I chose the red/black and I think I should have gotten the white/black. I may contact support.
Bruh, I hope u did not buy the Vantum based ONLY on this video alone. Please please do some proper research b4 buying the HM Vantum. This video is one of the most empty-handed takes on this chair and the chair is way worse than it actually seems in this video. They didn't even mention the major cons of this chair like the fact that the seat depth is too shallow even at its max position and that the awful headrest is next to impossible to adjust while sitting down in the chair without breaking your fingers. The sizing is atrocious on this chair, especially for a Herman Miller one, and the build quality is below my expectations of what I expect a Herman Miller product to be. I'm honestly shocked that HM even included the same 12-year warranty for the Vantum as they did for their higher-end chairs like the Embody and Aeron. I HIGHLY recommend u watch other reviews of this chair like from Ahnestly and BTODtv b4 making a final decision on buying this chair.
@@drewhinners8793 HM support is fantastic, if you get in contact now before the product ships they'll change the order within 2 days. But like Dylan Loo said, you should check out other reviews. Your height&weight are very important factors in picking a chair, it should be sized to fit you. Where you need support, how you use the chair, the temperature of the room, etc. all matter in what makes a good chair. If you want to be held in place to get max spine alignment, chairs like the vantum and aeron are good, along with other hard frame mesh chairs. If you like to stretch, the haworth fern, ergochair pro+ and embody are great options. Steelcase offers a middle ground, and their chairs are fabric with cushion, making them warmer than mesh chairs. BTOD and Ahnestly are the two best channels for chair reviews, probably.
if someone says they can feel the base under the cushion on their first sit - i'm immediately out. i've got the secret lab titan and only after 3 years can i feel the base, which is mainly in the center, as the outside of the base seems to use metal struts with like 5-6 inches of foam. it was like half the price of this thing.
As someone who has had crap chairs in the past but is currently using a Steelcase, chairs are absolutely something where you get what you pay for. And for the health benefits from a well designed ergonomic chair, it's well worth it.
Couldn't agree more. I just recently did a desk overhaul, I got a sit/stand desk, and a nice ergo chair at a steal. I'm 6'8" (just over 2m in metric), I haven't sat in a desk/chair and had lumbar support where I need it in over a decade.
Sat in one the other day thought it was a 200$ normal chair. Disappointed considering the aeron is cheaper and so much better
Also, how to adjust a chair to sit properly is important to know if you sit a lot. This video is a good starting point, and there are more videos in the playlist it's in if you want to know more: ruclips.net/video/Du0VU0hOvlQ/видео.html
I'm kind of surprised that they didn't scan the QR code and check out the adjustment instructions for this chair (as mentioned on the box near the beginning).
@@kane2742 That would definitely have been good to do, and readjust for each who tried it.
Hopefully in a few years I can buy a scratched up used one with buttcheek depressions in the seat off ebay 😢
The first times I heard the price my brain kept blocking out the $900 and just kept the $95 lmao. I know 'gamer chairs' can be expensive but lordy I barely want to spend $100 on a chair let alone basically 10 times the amount. For those that can afford/enjoy these types of chairs I do hope you get something out of them.
Its a herman miller, its a brand name office chair where companies are able to write off the cost to a great degree. So the actual cost to the company is 1700 - tax write offs the gamer chairs can't be less expensize otherwise it would be devaluing the brand. Also lot easier spending a companys money on an expensive chair vs your own wallet
I worked selling office furniture. The quality is completely different. These brands are weighted for higher weights, stronger builds, better components, rated to be sat on for longer and adjustable where it’s needed.
I bought a Herman Miller decade after working there for home and another for work because my companies a tight arse. If you have back issues, tall or work long hours sitting down they are worth it. A good mattress is about the same and I spend more hours in the chair then I do in bed.
@@justbob333 You're also paying for the 12 year warranty, they price in 2 chairs essentially. But if you've never sat in one of these chairs, you don't know what your missing. My back doesn't hurt when I'm standing anymore, after 1 week in an awesome new chair.
$800 for a chair made of recycled plastic is a tough pill to swallow, regardless of how comfy it is. At least gaming chairs give the "illusion" of premium with leather/pleather.
The infused fiberglass is really solid. More solid than any other frame out there except maybe an aeron.
A THOUSAND-DOLLAR CHAIR???? Somebody has lost their mind.
High end office chairs often cost over 1k.
You really never heard of or looked into Herman Miller?
@@TimI1S It's a chair. I have a really nice one. Cost me $129 two years ago. Comfy, adjustable, rolls nicely, looks good, and holds my oversized butt. No office chair (and that's what it is) should cost a grand. That's just silly. Buy a $150 chair and put the other $850 into a better computer. That $850 will buy you TWO 4TB NVMe SSD's....
@@holdenroth5929 If I were a CEO making $10M a year for sitting in my butt, you bet I'd sit in a $1K chair. But I'm not, so I don't.
@@TimI1S He somehow hasn't heard of them.
I hear Herman Miller, im like yup...out of my price bracket
I have an Aeron. Absolutely worth every penny, lasts a lifetime, and is super comfy.
BROOOOOOOOOOO 800$ FOR A CHAIR WITH LESS STUFF THEN THE ERGO2 THAT IS 300$ ARE U INSANE ??????????
That chair doesn't seem like it should be more than $500. That's how much I paid for the Steelcase Series 1, which has all the adjustments of this chair. I have no idea how good the Embody is.
Plouffe has a monitor, and he likes to sit. What else will we learn about him?