"Excuse me sir, this is a 4th grade classroom, can I help you" "You see, what you need to know about the Tumanksy engine is that it didn't take long to spool up..."
@@Tanknuggets217 (Sorry for replying nearly a week late, I had a test to study for) Best summary I can give without spoiling anything major: On December 22nd 1978, Argentina attempted to invade Chile to end the Beagle Channel Territorial Dispute and gain control of the Picton, Lennox and Nueva Islands, in an operation titled Operación Soberanía. Thankfully, in our timeline, a severe storm in the disputed area delayed the Argentine Navy, Pope John Paul II informed both governments that he would be sending his personal envoy Cardinal Antonio Samore to both capitals, and the invasion was cancelled 6 hours before it was scheduled to begin. Afterwards the dispute was resolved peacefully, with the Vatican as mediation. Peru and Bolivia also had territorial claims in the north of Chile, with Bolivia in particular having lost its coastline to Chile after the War of the Pacific in 1879. Peru, however, had massively expanded its military on the Velasco regime, having spent over US $2 billion [Adjusted: US $11.2 billion] spent on Soviet equipment alone. As such, the Argentine government had requested that Peru invade the north of Chile in conjunction with Argentina's invasion, however, this offer was declined. (Note: during the Falklands War, Peru's Belaunde administration offered to deploy their air force to assist Argentina, but this offer was declined). In this alternate history scenario, both Peru and Bolivia collaborated with Argentina to invade Chile, and the weather conditions in Tierra del Fuego were optimal on December 22nd. Chile's military in OTL was well trained and had decent equipment but was completely outnumbered and underequipped. (Later predictions in the 1990s speculated the Peru's army could have reached Copiapo relatively quickly as far back as 1973). The invasion of Chile started and ended in less than a month. Though the Argentine army initially faced a series of setbacks attempting to cross the Andes mountains and capture the Strait of Magellan, the Peruvian army was able to thunder run through the Atacamas desert to Copiapo, and then close in on Santiago (The Bolivian effort was negligible, as their armed forces were decidedly small and obsolete). Afterwards, Pinochet was captured near Valdivia on January 20th 1979 and flown to Geneva for trial. In late January 1979, Ecuador declared war on Peru, and was quickly defeated by early February 1979. In February 1979, with the Chilean question answered, Argentina invaded the Falkland and South Georgian Islands with assistance from the Peruvian Navy. Brazil's military dictatorship saw this as an unprecedented threat to their security, and allied with Britain and declared war on Argentina, Peru and Bolivia in March 1979, thus beginning the Argentine War. What follows is: on the Argentine front, a progressively worse series of questionable tactics from both sides, possibly involving dam destruction, trench warfare, mustard gas, anthrax and napalm; and on the Peruvian front, not much other than the occasional dogfight until May 1979 and later November 1981. Being a major Cold War conflict, this war gets unhinged rather quickly. One of the most confusing aspects of the conflict is that it wasn't a proxy conflict: The United States and CIA, having just witnessed years of work trying to prop up dictatorial regimes in South America almost spontaneously go out the window and realizing that since Velasco's socialist military government had been overthrown back in 1975 and as such didn't require intervention, decided to cut their losses and avoid intervening. The Soviet Union, on the hand, also seeing that Velasco had been overthrown, decided to continue selling arms to Peru, but cease to support Peru politically. Petroleos de Venezuela (Not Venezuela, but PDVSA), in the CIA and KGB's absence, would take the mantle of the intervening major power, as oil had been discovered off the coast of Chile in 1969 (ATL), and would make major use of mercenaries to defend their corporate interests in the region. France and Israel, just like China in the later Iran-Iraq War, having no stake in the conflict other than the defense of French Guiana, and having already sold arms to Brazil, Argentina and Peru, decided to freely sell arms to both sides of the conflict, with France in particular using the profits from selling arms to kickstart its ailing economy. The story (probably a manga, because describing a dogfight from multiple perspectives through text alone is a bit difficult) covers the war through the lens of a Peruvian Air Force MiG-23MF squadron, christened "Halcon" (Falcon) Squadron.
Man it puts in to consideration how fast those jets can move. There’s a lot of military training where I live and you’ll see a good amount of 16s and 18s flying around our airport every few weeks. Me in my little diamond is always impressed with how fast they move across the windscreen…and they’re going slow. I can’t even imagine running someone down who’s already cruising at 450-500kts. I know they can go much MUCH faster but it’s crazy to think about how fast interceptors are.
MiG-23P/ML/MLA/MLD were very formiddable opponents when close-in, especially the MLD with its "maneuvering" sweep angle reduced to 33 degrees and maximum G-rating of 8.5. Aircraft he is referring to are well-known MiG-23MS and MF which were indeed more interceptors than fighters, although against contemporaries such as F-4 they weren't to be trifled with.
Dude's a perfect MiG-23 pilot, since its lack of a bubble canopy meant no rear visibility, no ability to check your six. If you turn your head to look behind you you just see wall. So to see behind you you have to turn the whole plane around.
@@SmoggyFroggy I just looked at several pics and watched a couple of vids from inside a Mig-23, on the ground and in flight. While I founds a couple of pics of 2 small mirrors mounted on the cockpit bow, many had no rearview mirrors at all. The mirrors only allowed to to see an aircraft at a slightly higher altitude on your six. Co-altitude or slightly lower, the mirrors were useless.
@@guyintenn Yea, it was small, not very good, with very limited view and I'm not sure if every variant got one, some of the ones they sold to other countries may not have had them at all. Not quite sure, would have to do more research.
Yo this dude seems like he just got out of his jet after crashing it in civilian area and because of the ejector seat my boy had a whiplash and then he went to see the doctor and then straight to the auditorium where he is teaching other rookies on the topic of how to not crash your jet. 😂😂😂
kinda looks like all the recent clips are from the same talk. the same balding grey haired fellow sitting in the front can be seen in a bunch of shorts.
When training for introductory pilots to the IG 23 in the Soviet Union was to have a two or 3 ton concrete block behind the mid 23 that was anchored down May 23 going to after burners in the concrete block which is roll down the runway as if it was Light ball the instructors and went to the students. This is theMiG-23 you control it or it will control you into the ground.
@@PfizerRN_NavyReserveCaptain News flash, he's talking about training exercises from the 80s. Today, yes, a MiG-23 gets Amraamed from 50 nautical miles. But these guys were flying to train for WW3 with the Soviets when the hottest weapon available was the AIM-7F.
Finally, a 30 second clip of this guy trying to speak as though he is speaking about an actual weapon and not just some piece of sh*t that you'd scarcely describe as being a metallic object let alone, whoa, mind-blown: an interceptor.
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There is no full video. This guy wanders into random classrooms, gives 30 seconds of MiG trivia, and leaves
"Excuse me sir, this is a 4th grade classroom, can I help you"
"You see, what you need to know about the Tumanksy engine is that it didn't take long to spool up..."
@@a.n.7229Kids need to know these things.
lol!
He usually speaks at Ross, Sephora, and Chicken Salad Chick.
The creator will favorite certain comments, but won’t respond to anyone asking about the full video. 🤔
This guy is attaining legendary status at this point
Hes been a legend long before you made your comment.
@imKas
Who?
@@imKasit’s a joke bozo
When a man with a neck brace and a mustache wants to talk about MIGS, you listen.
@@jor4288 You listen if you're aviation guy. Otherwise it's up to you.
broke the neck looking for the oil gauge
Haha 😂
"Welcome to Mcdonalds, what can I get you?"
"The MiG-23...."
Hahahahahahahahahaha
I’ve been writing a story about a MiG-23 squadron for the past few weeks and these clips have been invaluable for my research
That sounds interesting. Is it available somehow?
@Voodoo_Robot It’s still in the research stage, but some sketches should be available once I get a drawing tablet
@@sombatstudiosah man I would love to read about this story!!
Also you should watch how they fly in games like metal storm and war thunder? Documentaries.
@@Tanknuggets217 (Sorry for replying nearly a week late, I had a test to study for)
Best summary I can give without spoiling anything major: On December 22nd 1978, Argentina attempted to invade Chile to end the Beagle Channel Territorial Dispute and gain control of the Picton, Lennox and Nueva Islands, in an operation titled Operación Soberanía. Thankfully, in our timeline, a severe storm in the disputed area delayed the Argentine Navy, Pope John Paul II informed both governments that he would be sending his personal envoy Cardinal Antonio Samore to both capitals, and the invasion was cancelled 6 hours before it was scheduled to begin. Afterwards the dispute was resolved peacefully, with the Vatican as mediation.
Peru and Bolivia also had territorial claims in the north of Chile, with Bolivia in particular having lost its coastline to Chile after the War of the Pacific in 1879. Peru, however, had massively expanded its military on the Velasco regime, having spent over US $2 billion [Adjusted: US $11.2 billion] spent on Soviet equipment alone. As such, the Argentine government had requested that Peru invade the north of Chile in conjunction with Argentina's invasion, however, this offer was declined. (Note: during the Falklands War, Peru's Belaunde administration offered to deploy their air force to assist Argentina, but this offer was declined).
In this alternate history scenario, both Peru and Bolivia collaborated with Argentina to invade Chile, and the weather conditions in Tierra del Fuego were optimal on December 22nd. Chile's military in OTL was well trained and had decent equipment but was completely outnumbered and underequipped. (Later predictions in the 1990s speculated the Peru's army could have reached Copiapo relatively quickly as far back as 1973). The invasion of Chile started and ended in less than a month. Though the Argentine army initially faced a series of setbacks attempting to cross the Andes mountains and capture the Strait of Magellan, the Peruvian army was able to thunder run through the Atacamas desert to Copiapo, and then close in on Santiago (The Bolivian effort was negligible, as their armed forces were decidedly small and obsolete). Afterwards, Pinochet was captured near Valdivia on January 20th 1979 and flown to Geneva for trial. In late January 1979, Ecuador declared war on Peru, and was quickly defeated by early February 1979. In February 1979, with the Chilean question answered, Argentina invaded the Falkland and South Georgian Islands with assistance from the Peruvian Navy.
Brazil's military dictatorship saw this as an unprecedented threat to their security, and allied with Britain and declared war on Argentina, Peru and Bolivia in March 1979, thus beginning the Argentine War. What follows is: on the Argentine front, a progressively worse series of questionable tactics from both sides, possibly involving dam destruction, trench warfare, mustard gas, anthrax and napalm; and on the Peruvian front, not much other than the occasional dogfight until May 1979 and later November 1981.
Being a major Cold War conflict, this war gets unhinged rather quickly. One of the most confusing aspects of the conflict is that it wasn't a proxy conflict: The United States and CIA, having just witnessed years of work trying to prop up dictatorial regimes in South America almost spontaneously go out the window and realizing that since Velasco's socialist military government had been overthrown back in 1975 and as such didn't require intervention, decided to cut their losses and avoid intervening. The Soviet Union, on the hand, also seeing that Velasco had been overthrown, decided to continue selling arms to Peru, but cease to support Peru politically.
Petroleos de Venezuela (Not Venezuela, but PDVSA), in the CIA and KGB's absence, would take the mantle of the intervening major power, as oil had been discovered off the coast of Chile in 1969 (ATL), and would make major use of mercenaries to defend their corporate interests in the region.
France and Israel, just like China in the later Iran-Iraq War, having no stake in the conflict other than the defense of French Guiana, and having already sold arms to Brazil, Argentina and Peru, decided to freely sell arms to both sides of the conflict, with France in particular using the profits from selling arms to kickstart its ailing economy.
The story (probably a manga, because describing a dogfight from multiple perspectives through text alone is a bit difficult) covers the war through the lens of a Peruvian Air Force MiG-23MF squadron, christened "Halcon" (Falcon) Squadron.
I could listen to this guy talking all day❤
This pilot hurt his neck 20 years ago and is still in a neck brace because he hit the burner and swept the wings back..
It might also have to do with the fact that he was (still is?) part of a program called Constant Peg
@blackmusik109
That sounds like a porn film.
No, it is because he was looking for the non-existent oil pressure gauge in his MiG-23😂
What actually happened to his neck. His videos keep popping up and I've not seen a reason for the brace
@@rshvkkt91 Oil pressure is for maintenance so he had no business looking for it.
I worked Wild Weasels in the Air Force and we were at Red Flag at Nellis every other month
Give us a nice christmas gift and release the full video soon. PLEASE
Is there a full video of this posted anywhere? Thanks
Not yet. They're drip-feeding us these clips like an old-school Catholic girlfriend.
@@JETZcorp😂😂😂😂😂
Seriously I need to see this whole thing. I have zero connection to aviation and I NEED THIS.
@@jimsteinway695until the wedding cake!
@@jimsteinway695usually it was the younger ones who START with dating
We need the full video 😂
🦗…. 🦗 … 🦗
@@Andrew-13579 PHUN 😊
Man it puts in to consideration how fast those jets can move. There’s a lot of military training where I live and you’ll see a good amount of 16s and 18s flying around our airport every few weeks. Me in my little diamond is always impressed with how fast they move across the windscreen…and they’re going slow. I can’t even imagine running someone down who’s already cruising at 450-500kts. I know they can go much MUCH faster but it’s crazy to think about how fast interceptors are.
MiG-23P/ML/MLA/MLD were very formiddable opponents when close-in, especially the MLD with its "maneuvering" sweep angle reduced to 33 degrees and maximum G-rating of 8.5. Aircraft he is referring to are well-known MiG-23MS and MF which were indeed more interceptors than fighters, although against contemporaries such as F-4 they weren't to be trifled with.
Release the full video already, are you uploading this from the Voyager probe wtf?
Where can we find full version of that Red Flag, MiG-21 & MiG-23 video?
Right next to the neck braces in isle 6.
Dude's a perfect MiG-23 pilot, since its lack of a bubble canopy meant no rear visibility, no ability to check your six. If you turn your head to look behind you you just see wall. So to see behind you you have to turn the whole plane around.
There is a small rearview mirror in the cockpit to see behind you.
@@SmoggyFroggy I just looked at several pics and watched a couple of vids from inside a Mig-23, on the ground and in flight. While I founds a couple of pics of 2 small mirrors mounted on the cockpit bow, many had no rearview mirrors at all. The mirrors only allowed to to see an aircraft at a slightly higher altitude on your six. Co-altitude or slightly lower, the mirrors were useless.
@@guyintenn Yea, it was small, not very good, with very limited view and I'm not sure if every variant got one, some of the ones they sold to other countries may not have had them at all. Not quite sure, would have to do more research.
@@guyintenn 2 mirrors and a periscope on top*
"Why is enemy behind you comrade? Front should only face the enemy... or you get shot"
Red flag exercise is for training how to power drink and still make a serviceable flight line for the next day.
I know it says John Mann but he Looks like another pilot I know. C.W. Gibson. His nickname was Hoot. It sure looks like him.
So fast you could never catch him. 😂
Nice, but who has broken his neck? Did he hang upside down in the parachute lines?
Will this guy ever be able to remove his neck brace?
Not if he keeps looking for the oil pressure gauge 😂😂
Full video
is there the whole lecture somewhere?
Yo this dude seems like he just got out of his jet after crashing it in civilian area and because of the ejector seat my boy had a whiplash and then he went to see the doctor and then straight to the auditorium where he is teaching other rookies on the topic of how to not crash your jet. 😂😂😂
SWEEP THE WINGS BACK, SELECT ZONE 5
When is his neck going to get better? Lol
kinda looks like all the recent clips are from the same talk. the same balding grey haired fellow sitting in the front can be seen in a bunch of shorts.
@@theguy9208Hey, dammit, that’s me. I’m 29 and I wear different shorts 🩳 every video.
Wow❤
This guy is great but what happened to his neck?
Must’ve hurt his neck when activating the MiG afterburner.
He explains it in the full lecture
@@orlandovftw Yeah, haven’t you people seen the full lecture?
He went looking for the oil pressure gauge… big mistake, but he learnt his lesson
@ maybe hi tried to install one.
His neck couldn't resist those Gs. Only Russian pilots, with their necks strengthened by a lifetime of eating potatoes, could pull it off.
I've only ever seen him with the neck brace anyone see him ever without it
pulled too many G
Because he can leave and come back
yes drip feeding this lecture is annoying as fuck. I don't really know what you're trying to achieve here. Release it.
Then he had breakfast with the ghost of Kiev in Langley at fbi headquarters. How's that ukraine war going buddy? The maps are going well 👌
I've been writing a story about a MiG-23 squadron for the past few weeks and not releasing this whole video has been detrimental to my research
😂
@@armagedon3on3 At least the clips have been released
Me : ok nice explaination... But can you tell me about neck brace.
When training for introductory pilots to the IG 23 in the Soviet Union was to have a two or 3 ton concrete block behind the mid 23 that was anchored down May 23 going to after burners in the concrete block which is roll down the runway as if it was Light ball the instructors and went to the students. This is theMiG-23 you control it or it will control you into the ground.
What
Goddamn bro slow down
20 miles? Wouldn’t they already be dead from an AMRAAM?
Not in the 1980s.
These guys can get right on someone's wing and see into the cockpit.
@@JETZcorp News Flash. It’s 2024
@@PfizerRN_NavyReserveCaptain News flash, he's talking about training exercises from the 80s. Today, yes, a MiG-23 gets Amraamed from 50 nautical miles. But these guys were flying to train for WW3 with the Soviets when the hottest weapon available was the AIM-7F.
@ My bad. I thought they were talking about current Red Flag.
so, all this horseshit about the MiG23 being rubbish, was simply propaganda about an aircraft designed for a role they didnt understand.
Finally, a 30 second clip of this guy trying to speak as though he is speaking about an actual weapon and not just some piece of sh*t that you'd scarcely describe as being a metallic object let alone, whoa, mind-blown: an interceptor.
That collar brings absolutely zero help.