Steyr GB - The First Glock Victim
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The Steyr GB was an interesting pistol born in the late 70's and was shelved in the late 80's. The Steyr GB is a 9mm gas delayed blowback pistol that went up against the Glock 17 in the Austrian military trials and lost. Little did the world know just how influential the Glock 17 would become in the decades that followed.
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I own the Steyr GB for decades and it runs perfectly, after 100.000 shots, still no problem when it's warm. BUT keep away any oil or grease. Fire the Steyr GB complete dry. That was a construction point from Steyr. All metal surfaces are hardened or hard-chrome galvanized, so wear is no question. Greetings from Austria!
I remember reading about the Glock pistols when I grew up. This super "plastic" pistol that would be "invisible to metal detectors" and how that would make airline travel so dangerous because of hijackers with "invisible" Glocks. Sensational media. Good times.
Naw, dad had a lot of men's mags (not the porn kind) lying around. Some of them where all over the Glock.
Die Hard 2 came yeeeeeears later.
Yeah think it was described as ceramic in die hard. I remember the news hysteria of the plastic gun tho
a williamson porcelain
It seems a common theme in life is people not knowing what the hell they are talking about while simultaneously making decisions or shaping public opinion about said things.
"That "thug" pulled a Glock 9 on me. You know what that is? It's a porcelain gun, made in Germany. It doesn't show up on your metal detectors and costs more than you make in a month." John McClane, Die Hard 2.
I have one I inherited from my Uncle. He bought it in 1989 and barely fired it. I have 5 magazines total and after noticing how much magazines go for I will never let go,lol. I enjoy shooting it and I can hit very well with it. Like I said before You have Awesome taste in firearms. We own many of the same models but I can only dream of owning as many as you do. Hope you get well soon. Stay Awesome Tim.
Every time he says piston cup...I start looking for Lightning McQueen. LOL
He did what in his cup?
HA
I purchased my first GB in the 80’s when it first came out. I now own two and still shoot them frequently. I wouldn’t be able to tell you the cumulative round count but it’s a lot. I’ve never had any problems with the guns. Perhaps yours has a weak magazine spring, I don’t know. Extremely reliable, easy to maintain, accurate etc. no complaints at this end.
What is the weight of the slide and gas system nose piece separate from the gun? Want to calculate inertia.
Looking at the barrel when he took it apart, he is missing the o-rings in those two grooves. I wonder if that is why he has reliability issues.
Hang in there, hope y'all continue to recover. I deeply appreciate your willingness to take up the fight with us.
That looks half way between a 92fs and a cz52
looks like a cross between renee zellweger and rodney dangerfield
"Missed one for the homies." Lmfao
I inherited this pistol from my father. I have never fired it but I have seen prices on this weapon increase significantly then when he first purchased this weapon.
And magazines are imposible to find (at least here, in Spain). Curious thing is the two I have seen for sale had no cardboard box, but a blue plastic case, with the Steyr logo, and that same red velvety panel folding it in place.
J Garcia Sampedro if you see those the same magazines because I have heard that they are selling for 200 to $300 a piece here in the United States.
Not even at that price. A guy was trying to sell one of these pistols a couple years ago with just one mag, at "as new" prices, and saying "mags are cheap". He's probably still trying, unless some unlucky soul bought his tale.
J Garcia Sampedro the pistol in the United States is very hard to come by and I have seen it on sale from $800 to $1,000. The magazines or what I was referring to in terms of the two to $300 category. The problem with the pistol was as I understand it the feeding ramp butt crack after continued use.
Is not common here, either. Have seen two for sale, plus one at police auction. All looked barely ever fired. But without available magazines, even at half the prices you mention (450 euros the most expensive) are rarely sold.
And since our laws aren't exactly gun-friendly, keeping one just for collecting is not an option most of the time.
And the terrible Rogak knock off of the Steyr GB pretty much killed it in the US market along with an unfortunate price increase...
I've always thought this handgun was way more attractive looking then the Glock
TrEVILlyan 95 Most every gun looks better than the Glock.
45 Auto yes, I despise them
It takes skill to beat the Glock in an ugly contest. Even Hi Point is a coin toss.
efred22 stfu grammar nazi
Steyr guns are typically unique and beautiful.
Milsurp Mike goals for the year... Obtain the 10 major WWII producers of the M1 carbine, a Brownells Retro, and fill some more holes in the collection. Tim makes a video on some rare 1980's Steyr... Guess what I am trying to find on Gunbroker and Proxibid now. Thanks Tim for contributing to my Gun ADD.
LOL. Don't you dare blame me for that. Hehe. Don't buy right now because I've heard my videos tend to cause a flurry of traffic and bidding on similar firearms from history. I don't know if it's true or not, but I wouldn't over pay for one.
After looking, I think I will have to wait it out and try to get a deal from a Proxibid Auction (basically what I did for the HK VP70Z)... They are going for more than what I am willing to pay on Gunbroker.
Actually have a Rock Ola receiver Carbine (has an Inland barrel) on the way to join my Winchester, IBM, and Postal Meter.
While I am not on Tim's level, I do have a decent collection and really only started collecting in 2010... Plus I have worked a boatload overtime the last couple years, so I have been "investing".
Finnish Mosin, Yugo Mauser, and a k31. Im broke so no more historical firearms.
Ah the Steyr GB... The very first handgun I ever purchased. Loved that thing! Kinda miss it...
Glad to have you back! Flu this year kicked some serious butt.
Yeah, it's a bitch of a bug this year. Today I have no voice. The damn thing keeps kicking you when you're down. You think you're feeling better and after a couple of hours you're right back in bed feeling like crap.
Military Arms Channel took me almost 3 weeks to fully recover from it this year. 1st week was death, 2nd week felt better off and on, and the 3rd week is when I started to feel human again.
Basil Brockles same here, sucked big time
I'm from the future. Our flu season is worse. Stock up on toilet paper and masks.
6:55 "He did what in his cup?!"
Pissed in cup
Kachow
I purchased one of these in 1985 at a cost of $150. It was imported by Gun South, I believe, and so marked on the slide. Mine has been a good shooter, reliable and accurate, over more than 30 years, though I don't shoot it much anymore. I don't think you noted what a long barrel - 5.35" - it has or that it also has hexagonal rifling - first I ever saw. It's a bitch to clean as it leaves powder residue all around the outside of the barrel forward of the gas "bulb" and inside the gas chamber. Getting the reside off the barrel on the frame side is a bit or work.
The Smithsonian's American History building at the DC Mall had a display of all the pistols in the 1984 trial. The GB is in there, along with the folded sheet metal slide Sig p226. The only other place I have ever seen one is as Charlie Sheen's pistol in the Clint Eastwood movie "The Rookie".
When he said it was gas operated, I was thinking that must be a bitch to clean lol thanks to your comment, you confirmed it.
Yep. Cleaning my barrel is kind of a pain. And don't fire unjacketed rounds out of it. Fouls up those gas ports pretty quickly.
I bought mine new in 1985 at a retail cost of approx. $500-550. I wonder what their value is now.
I think the GB is super cool. I wish Steyr would improve on the design and bring it back.
Thank you for another classic Mac video, I've always wondered about the Steyr GB,
Paul Harrell Has a love for this pistol. Also a former Marine. Great people both MAC and Paul :)
Stargazer80able Paul is awesome
my boy paul
I thought Paul was in the Army
@@mhans928 I thought so too, but he RARELY mentions any specifics of his experience. And, having seen enough of his videos, he might be one of those people who use "Army" as a generic term for all of the Armed Forces so as to not confuse viewers more.
@@brentreeve7554 I just assumed it as he has a combat infantry badge during his opening video. I believe that is only a badge the army awards.
I bought one of these new and still have it. I love mine. I was told when I got it in 1985 ish that it liked full power loads, lighter practice ammo may cause problems. Sure enough, I had several(3-4) extraction failures in 500 rounds. Then I switched over to hotter ammo running at close to 400ftlbs of energy and did not have any failures. Another thing is it is way more accurate than most other handguns.
I sold one in 1984 at Hill’s in Raleigh. The Beretta won because the Italians promised to do something about the Mob but never did. We should have stuck with the 1911. All the shooters considered the glock as crap.
wait... you put 18 rnds in the mag! what have you done with Tim? He only uses 15 rnds because of his OCD.... ;-)
Jackal's Outdoor Channel They got to him for speaking out. This is his way of giving hints.
Must be the flu...
I can't believe I've been subscribed to you guys for the past 4 years, I've definitely learned a lot more about firearms since I stumbled across this channel. I believe the first video I saw was when you got invited to the IWI facility in Israel, wish I could have gone on a tour when I went over later that year. Love the videos and all the content you produce on here.
On a side note.... would you come to Australia and tour the lithgow facilities if you ever got invited?
Original owner.. shoots flawlessly perfect reliability and accuracy just keep it dry (designed for military use conditions) and avoid cheap lead. Notice the mussel flip is tiny as it’s a big gun with excellent ergonomics even with gloves. The 18+1 capacity advertised as the highest capacity 9mm ever made.
Keep doing what you do and show us more oddballs from your collection. Those are my favorite Mac videos
Thank you, I'm glad you enjoy them.
Back in the 1980s we had monthly service pistol matches. An old club member had a Steyr GB , he pretty much won every match, for years !! That fixed barrel gives fantastic accuracy. Too bad it is no longer made.
My Steyr has never failed to function properly every time. But then I do not shoot Fiocchi ammo. I have even fired PMC target ammo with no failures. I have owned this pistol for over thirty years and carried for duty during that time. It is still my go to pistol.
90 seconds I’m and I want one already. The recoil management looks godly. Plus the smg style magazine is really neat.
Mine came with no manual or anything and so far this was the best video I was able to reference for disassembly and reassembly
I know why it didn't win..it didn't take Glock mags ;)
Michael G I know it's more difficult to design a firearm to reliability use a double feed mag but I wish glock had. Loading up a 15 round G21 mag SUCKS! And that's coming from someone who used to load 50 round Galil mags.
If only they had known...
Ok son, that's REALLY getting old and annoying.
Well said lol
Gasbremse sounded quite good, heard worse butchering of german words by americans. :D
Great audio for the gun shots. It makes me think that I'm on the range. Almost like I can feel the air in my headphones. Keep it up!
My guess would be the GB lost against the Beretta because it's harder to change the barrel. I believe this gun is very beautiful and sexy. greetings from sLOVEnia
Ha! I saw what you did there, s - LOVE - enia, haha... Ight, Imma head out
I had one of these in the late '80s. Had been daydreaming about it and then happened to come across somebody who had one for sale. Couldn't wait to buy it off of him and didn't blink at the asking price of $375. I wound up dumping it about 6 months later for $200. It could only get through one of the two magazines shipped with it without jamming, and if you could find a spare magazine, it would set you back more than $100. After striking out with Gun South (the distributor). The proximity of the metal trigger to the firing chamber mean that the trigger would also get VERY hot after just a couple of magazines through it. Team Steyr evidently embraced being clever for its own sake rather than being clever in practical terms. I had to concede the Glock design was superior simply because it was unconventional in the aspects that made the most sense to be.
7:58 you could have at least sourced a Gen 1 Glock 17 with box and stayed with the 1980's theme.
name of bird singing in the background track please. So relaxing
swampk9 its one of those dang shitbirds
Meadowlark: Sandstorm
It's a crow. Not the famed chihuahuan crow, not the fish crow. A regular old world American crow.
Great review as always, Mac! Thanks for once more demonstrating to a jaded public how much we truly owe Gaston Glock! WE LOVE YOU, GASTON ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Feel better soon Tim
Thanks!
I actually owned one of these pistols in the pre-Glock days. We used to put up with a lot of crap from our pistols that we wouldn't now, because the alternatives weren't much better. But even at that, the Steyr was considered an odd duck, and if you bought one, you better love it, because you weren't going to sell it anytime soon. Nobody wanted it. Not that it was a bad pistol, we all thought it looked funny, and it shot the 9mm cartridge which, at the time, most of us hated, except oddly enough in a Browning Hi-Power or CZ75, were it magically became an okay round provided you had a bunch of them.
If you were a red-blooded American male in the pre-Glock days you favored a revolver or a 1911 Colt, or if you had to have more shots, the Browning. The very cool kids would occasionally have a CZ-75 with the original spray paint Iron Curtain style finish and the rich kids had HK P7's. This didn't leave a lot of room in the market for the Steyr, which was a big pistol with high capacity magazines that cost a fortune to buy more of.
The Glock then came on the scene and after a few years, changed everything about what people wanted. But the Steyr GB was always a slow mover, even before Glock came about. It was sort of in the same oddball category as a VP70 if I recall correctly. You saw them in the case from time to time but nobody you knew owned one.
Hey MAC, I re-subbed your channel due to recent events. You & Eric n' Co are "keeping it real" right now compared to so many out there. Good on you lads, keep it up!
Thank you. We're glad to have you back. We're trying to fight these antigun laws anyway, and every way we can.
I'm nostalgic for 80s Chinese cardboard. :(
Internet User lol true! But I was more thinking about the cool things that came in it that we can't get any more.
Tim should have a look at Steyr later offering The A1 lineup (M9-a1, L9-a1, C9-a1, S9-a1)
That was the first centerfire semi-auto pistol I ever fired. That was back in 1985. I was 14 or 15. My dad and I were at an outdoor gun show at Black Canyon (now Ben Avery) shooting range north of Phoenix, AZ. Good memories.
I’ve shot at the Ben Avery range. It’s where we did the 1000 Man Shoot.
Excellent chose for review. Thanks Tim
That thing was ejecting spent brass into the next county.. could barely see it coming out. Nice to see one of these working. Get to feeling better MAC!
I own one of these!!! I have the orginal box and everything. I haven't shot it 😕though. It's still in it's box.
Same here Chris i have the next gen with the diff hammer , very smooth shooting gun ! I’ve looked on line and they go for a lot of money !
I shot it couple of yrs ago and I still remember it's shoots louder than other 9mm guns, I don't know why
I bought one back in the 80's and still have it. I loved the grip design and the fact that although it carried more rounds than others of it's time, it felt slimmer in the hand. And due to the gas operation, it had the fastest lock up time and could fire those hot 9mm rounds the Israelis made for their Uzi submachine guns. It is very accurate with its polygonal rifling and fixed barrel.
Mine fires flawlessly as long as I don't let it get too dirty. Then it will start to malfunction. Oh, and lead bullets are a no-no. Unjacketed rounds foul up the gas ports too quickly.
But, otherwise, oh, yeah.
Several years ago, I had the chance to pick up a Bruce Gray longslide P7. Every time I see you shoot your P7s, I kick myself for not buying it when I could've.
Oh wow, that would be cool. I'm sorry you missed it.
It was in excellent condition, and I can't say enough good things about Gray's work. I swear it looked like it came from the factory with that slide.
Thanks for the knowledge of the Steyr GB and get well soon guys. MAC for life
I had a Steyr GB back in the 1980's - what a jam- o- matic!
Yeah, I think it’s luck of the draw or perhaps they’re ammo specific. Mine isn’t what I would call reliable.
I owned one and I loved it.
While admiring that rare stayer beauty, a P7 is coming out. Nice clean lines, they knew how to design beautiful pistols back then.
Get better soon Mac.
Steyr pistols are nearly undestructable. I've a Steyr m1912, family heirloom from my great grandfather, who was a general in the austro-hungarian army. It is 104 years old and still works perfect and I like it far more than any modern day Glock. No austrian gun enthusiast would chose a Glock over a Steyr.
Very cool pistol. Now I want one!
Great video never seen one of these before. Get well soon tim.
Hope you all feel better. Good video, have a good weekend and thank you.
That thing ejects casing with authority! I love fixed barrel designs. I want one
That p7 was so dirty. I had to migrate my eyes.😢
What you mean is that it's the double *feed* magazine. Double stack magazines are usually double stack single feed. I think you probably know that most non compact semis are double stack which refers to the column of cartridges and not the feed lips.
I believe the magazine is squeeze tapering the rounds to get the fijiometry correct so that the magazine can gently taper backwards instead of curving Fords like you'd see in a smg
The styer is a high quality piece brother. Thanks Mac. .nothing like the smell of gunpowder to make you feel better
here in austria used GB mags sell for over 200 euros...
They're expensive here too.
There is a company in Germany making new guns and magazines
Amazing they're not banned and therefore worth nothing.
It's only 18 Rounds so its fine.. The EUdssr just banned high capacity magazines - you put in a 30 round Mag in your AR and it's an "War-Weapon". Same with Pistol-Mag's over 20 Rounds.
Elsa L. Makes sense.... just like socialism makes sense.
If you don’t shoot fully swaged ammunition this gun will lock up until you work on it for a week. With the right ammo this gun will eat box after box and will tear the center out of the target until you get bored. I keep mine in a holster with two extra mags in case shtf and I hope that never happens, but that much 9mm in a shoulder rig is comfort.
That's a very nice pistol MAC!!!!! Thanks for sharing. Love it
Thank you. Any chance for a Steyr M9-A1 torture test?
Please.
I love these videos with unique guns!
Get well Tim. Thanks for the video.
Feel better MAC!!! We need you on the range!
The GB is Jack Reachers favorite pistol, kinda cool to see one working.
It was a Character in Jack Reachers Favorite Pistol not Reacher Himself
Darcyen in the book series he preferred the GB over all pistols. Jack Reacher says so in The Affair.
Take care and I hope you get better soon. Make sure to manage your symptoms and have a balance between rest and movement.
Just joined the GOA, used your link.
Thank you for supporting a true no compromise lobby group.
I only know about this gun from The movie The Rookie with Clint Eastwood and Charlie Sheen!! Sheen used it from mid movie to the end!! Thought it looked cool!!
I fired one of these at a range once, It was a sweet shooting pistol.
Cool to see stuff you never would.
The other thing that screwed up the GB was that a US company tried to beat Steyr to the US market with a Hi-Point like clone. That burned the US market before Steyr could do anything
Did you wipe that thing down with Feinstein tears, Tim?
The Virginian90
NO! Don't do that! Her tears will take the finish right off a gun!
You mean Gin
What ever happened to the px4 gauntlet test?
Winter happened.
Roberto Zuniga I've been checking regularly for that video myself.
Holy shit I was researching for this gun two hours ago
I purchased one that was used ,that was thirty years ago. I have no problems with mine. This design was eclipsed by the Glock.
Great video, interesting pistol. Hope you are feeling better soon.
I bought one in 1984, but sold it ten years later. It was a great pistol, though it tended to not cycle with some hollow point ammo. I wish I still had it, actually.
i had one and it was loud and it felt like i was firing a much hotter round than 9mm
"For my homies" You're awesome mac
Because of the delayed blow-back system, the Steyr GB can shoot any 9mm ammo and still function and cycle correctly. High powered loads, lower powered loads, old ammo, hand loads…imagine being on your own in a post-apocalyptic situation (i.e. Fallout) and having rely on pick-up ammo from adversaries caches and bad guys guns…
When I first bought my GB back in the late 80's, I bought a couple of boxes of Blazer 9mm ammo from Kmart. These had aluminum casings instead of brass and just about every other round would jamb when loading. Also unjacketed lead ammo jambs even worse. I found that out when I bought some at the local shooting range.
The flu bug for an excuse for missing, good one. Interesting piece. Thanks MAC.
Great video and excellent history lesson as well.
I have a Steyr GB with the “military” parkerized finish. I also have a factory muzzle brake for it, it fits on by replacing the regular piston cup. Mine is reliable enough, but the outside of the barrel gets pretty dirty and can carbon up similar to an M-16 bolt. Double action trigger is very heavy, single action adequate. When Steyr first contracted with a US company for commercial sales, they came up with a GB clone in stainless steel, the Rogak. That’s the one that jammed when it heated up. Not the Steyr made GB. That’s a whole different story. I would have chosen the Beretta it Glock over the Steyr .
I like that GB! Thanks for sharing it with us.
So, is the gas system ina low-pressure pistol caliber sensitive to fouling and pressure variations in the ammo?
I hope y’all feel better soon!
I was seriously considering buying one of these, but the reliability problems combined with the rarity and high cost of spare mags made it easy to reconsider my choice. It looks cool, has historical significance and holds 18 rounds of 9mm in a double feed magazine, but I really don't need another 9mm when my Hi-Power is doing just fine.
Steyr BG does not have reliability issues. The one he has has reliability issues
We gonna see a MAC test on the Taurus PT111 or SCCY CPX-2??
Sheldon Robertson Because my PT111 beat a Glock 26 and 19, so I want to see if I have a lemon or not.
Traded my Steyr GB for a new Glock 17 way back when the Glock came out. No regrets there. GB wasn't bad but the Glock was head and shoulders above everything when it came out.
I enjoy the “History “ videos. Thanks.
"Decocker" Gets me all the time :-)
"Miss one for the homies" 😂😂👍
Hi, I'm wonder if you try any modern Steyr pistol, M9 or L9?. I know its not chatty but would like opinion about these guns.
Steyr needs to bring this back as a retro pistol, but with minor improvements to address functional problems
Corpsie nah, they sold this gun pattern to german company
Bhimatama Indrana - Yes, they do