Scaletrains Vs Intermountain: Ultimate Et44ac Tier 4 Gevos Battle | jlwii2000
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- Welcome to the ultimate showdown between Tier 4 GEVOs! In this video, we pit the ScaleTrains and Intermountain ET44AC models against each other. For great prices and customer service, check out: www.trainworld.com
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I am very new to model railroading & spending lots of time trying to learn. Your video reviews are wonderful tools for a newby like me, even though I don't understand some of the terminology you use, but it gives me stuff to Google! Keep up the good work & thank you for taking the time to do this!!
I think the Scalemountain is the best locomotive with the Intertrains locomotive a very close second.
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Amazing!! I think the Scale Trains is by far better, but both are awesome locomotives.
Tug of war!!! Tug of war!!! Tug of war!!! Great comparison James. Still like ScaleTrains because the flag is correct, that is what decided it for me.
One of the best in-depth look at both locomotives manufacturer's Ive watched , koodos . Thanks for sharing, cheers.
Now James, this is what I love about your reviews . right down to the nitty gritty. and referance to ford vs chevy. yep that's always out there. but you always saying, " in your opinion " so that's what counts. I was suprised at the pull test. really thought Intermountain would have had that. decoder. scale trains, sounds are better, and like you say, and I agree. capacitor a great perk. a tie for lighting, and movement, both rotating bearing caps. nice.
Such a close battle, lol, but I would have to give the edge to Scale Trains. In my opinion. but over all. BOTH great models and I wouldn't say no to either of them
Thank you for posting this video. No longer upset about canceling my Scale trains tier 4 order for the Intermountain one. Thanks for the review!
-JG
Honestly I think the intermountain engine looks bigger. I would have to give this to the Scaletrains, the flag on the side of the intermountain bothers me. I do wish the Scaletrains had some things the IM did, but I think overall ST is the way to go. Nice video James
Intermountain aced the paint and lights, but Scaletrains aced the sound, it's a win-win.
TKS U ALWAYS DO A GREAT JOB COMPERISON AND WORKING ON DIFFERENT STUFF ON TRAINS.
Great video James, I see that its a tough decision to make and to see the difference in the UP colors that both companies produce. Looking at Intermountain color, it seems to have a fresh off the assembly line look, where's as for Scale Trains it has more realistic look. Now I'm a truck driver and I see these Gevos and EMD' s all the time and I really see that Scale Trains nailed as the "I been working on the railroad" look. To me Scale Trains just need a little rust for a good weathered look and it will look awesome on your layout.
You nailed it right about the paint schemes. took the words right out of my mouth.
Thanks for the head to head James! Both are great models and these head to head really help us decide which is best for us. Awesome job!
This is a great review. Based on these comparisons I would learn toward Intermountain! Color is important, and it looks Intermountain nailed it!
I have two Intermountain units. Very satisfied. I don't see any advantage to adding a Scaletrains unit to my fleet. Good review, thanks.
Great review. I'm giving the win to Intermountain. Great to see these companies bumping up their game year after year. We the modelers are the winners. I just ordered my first Intermountain SD40-2, can't wait to get it.
Great video James! Love the enthusiasm!! Both fantastic models. The ST yellow I think is more realistic. The Intermountain grey is a touch too dark. Probably the ST detail is crispier. Not sure about the ST grills dimensions but there are several plus points here and there on detail. Ok, decided!! Scale Trains is the one for me. Where did I put my credit card??!!!....
The biggest letdown of Intermountain is the Flag, and the biggest letdown of Scale Trains is the paint and glue spots.
This was an excellent video. Thanks for taking the time to make this
very good review, although you did give the advantage to Scaletrains on the decoder, you could have mentioned the fact that the Intermountain locomotive features a Loksound "select" decoder while the Scaletrains locomotive has the Loksound "4.0" decoder which is a huge advantage. The Selectsound is Loksounds RTR soundset commonly used on factory sound locomotives. The 4.0 is Loksounds (Prototype, Platinum, Genesis, Rivet-counter) line of decoders because you can customize the sound to be a road-number specific soundset. you can make different forward/reverse horns, fouled horns, and custom exhaust. I think that Intermountain also had that little light on the anticlimber Scaletrains didn't
@@pkilznah5353 you really need to chill the fuck out.
QuackerJack agreed
Scale trains and Intermountain both nailed the colors. Scale trains made they wethered yellow and Intermountain did a fresh right out of the shop yellow
Great video comparison. Couple things I noticed, the UP shield on the front hoods are of different size. Which one is correct? Does it matter? Second, at about 32:00 in your video, I notice a slight corkiness of the handrails behind the cab on the fireman's side. Brass scale handrails would be an awesome improvement on these fine models.
In conclusion, I personally think the IM model is a better looking model overall. MH&HO.
James! I'm new to your channel - this was an EXCELLENT review - and you have a great home layout by the way! @19:07-08 at night, down in the yard/on the ready track it's "kind of noisy with both engines running" = )) This really confirmed what I'd been thinking; [ IMHO - in my humble opinion ] Intermountain and Scale Trains (listed in alphabetical order as you did) are really the top two contenders (no dis to other brands/preferences)...and especially with these Tier 4 GEVO's - both are outstanding! Gotta say; the fidelity of the "start-up" sequence on the Scale Trains model...just awesome...when those turbos spooled up @18:00-18:06 the hairs on my neck stood up!! As a modeler that has scratchbuilt, kitbashed, done fabrications and repairs, including brass...I've learned to expect and deal with misfit details and quirks - just part of the hobby we love.
Please do more of these dude! This was an awesome video!
Yo, haven't watched your vids for a couple years but I still run Ho, love that your still going!
I feel like if all companies were perfect the locomotives would just look rather boring!
Great review James. Iam glad I hesitated on my order. I am not a fan of speakers issues right out of the box that will only get worse with time. I love that Scale Trains units have keep alive awesome upgrade should be standard on all dcc engines. Pulling power is awesome. Scale Trains T4's will be heading to Michigan #CSX Grand Rapids Subdivision thanks for the honest truth bud 💯
Scale Trains: •Darker •Older-Looking.
Intermountain: •More Orange •Looks brand new.
Both good engines!!!
Competition is good for the market, the quality of these trains is outstanding. The companies continue to create better and better products at reasonable prices. You can even (with Scale Trains) choose to get the less detailed model for less money if you're not into all the detail.
What about the price? Shouldn't that be considered? Intermountain is MSRP $299.95 while ScaleTrains is $229.99, both with DCC and sound.
I got my blue Scale Trains GE Demo GEVO today, and wow those see through rear grills are beautiful!
Great video, love the detail look and comparison. I agree, both a great models, and high quality. Thanks again James. Hope the house did not heat up too much during taping. Still hot here in Omaha.
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Thank you James !!! i like the color of the Scale trains but I like the Intermountain over all .
They are both superior models and I have known several people that would buy a few. That said different engine road numbers are nice to have and by buying from both manufactures one gets a bigger fleet. I like the ST coupler rusted look and no glad hand. Great review.
I Like Intermountain better, I have one and it's a great detail.
Dlm1228 scale trains puts more detail on their engines.
I have the ScaleTrains GECX 2024, i would do both, ScaleTrains & Intermountain GE ET44AC’s
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@@tulockthewerewolf9744 scaletrains does put more detail in their locomotives.
People like what they have bought.
Thank you James. Fair, unbiased reviews.
The flag on the scale trains was perfect
Great review! If I had a basement or my wife would let me hang a wall layout throughout the house I would totally do it!
Scaletrains being the rookie in the business seem to be growing a lot in popularity in a very competitive industry. I have several of their Diesel engines now and several dozen of their rolling stock. They definitely have a good concept when designing these locos for production. I have many Intermountain diesels as well and have a hard time picking one over the other. However with that said if I had to pick one it would be Scaletrains. Both companies produce good quality products.
Did anyone notice a wider gap between the top of the front truck and the frame on the Intermountain? I received the Intermountain NS unit and it's just as James described...awesome. But the space mentioned above did seem excessive. When he is comparing the grills on the sides of the units and sliding them back and forth, it will give you a good idea of what I am talking about. James, great video, thanks for doing these. I would ask though, that we get a little more thorough review on sound than just a bell and horn. A lot of time is spent on the visual details in all of your reviews, but sound can have just as much detail that makes for realism. How about air compressor sounds, spitters, pop offs, fans, dynamic brakes. These are the sounds that can make a big difference. All units are going to have a bell and horn. Just a respectful request. Great review as always.
Thanks Brian. I go through quite a few sounds on each individual review but doing so on this would make the video over 40 minutes long. I didn't notice the wider gap but I'll take another look.
jlwii2000 I understand totally. If you compare sound vs non sound units, with everything else being equal, that sound is pricey.
VERY GOOD VIDEO THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND TIME I APPRECIATE YOU AND YOUR EFFORT. JIM KAMMERER OF PHILADELPHIA PA YOUR SUBSCRIBER IN THE EAST.👍👍👍👍👍
Both are so amazing especially when as a kid Tyco was a typical brand and I was lucky to get one even if it had a Spirit of 76 paint job, yikes! I have several scale train n gauge locos and I love em!!!
WOW Great review of 2 killer loco's. I take either one. The IM does look quite a bit bigger than the ST.
starbob I noticed that. The IM looks bigger but I wonder if that is because of the more accentuated colour . James, you have them both there. Is the IM biggerr???
In my opinion this the best review video you have produced. Both products are great and affordable. It is tough decision on which product is better because they both have great detail. However Scale Trains has better pulling power, sound and paint. Tru color paint is a great product when matching RR colors. I ordered a Scale Trains model but did totally rule out a Intermountain purchase.
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Nice review i just got 1 train with Paragon3 Sound and wish i never purchased it its way to noise, how do you like the sounds do you thing its way to noise and loud !!
Thanks for the comparo. But you didn't review retail pricing. Are they close? That could be the deciding factor.
For vents, I care more about see-through or a sense of depth than correct size. And you never showed the top of the rear venting (radiator intake?).
Again, great review James. I am a stickler with details and sometimes I am my worst enemy because of that. Even though I favor the Scale Trains model, I see that they need to work on factory QC. One being the window placement (have the same issue with my Admiral Cab SD40-2) and the other is the red stripe. If you look at the cab side windows you will see ST did not do nearly as good job as IM. There is also a spot near a vent where the stripe goes to far onto the vent frame - (yes I know I am getting picky, but I used to do product reviews for a magazine and this is what I would pay attention to). The roll by of both models at the end of the video is a overall great comparison.
Even with that, I still favor ST over IM.
You didn't review retail pricing. Are they close? That could be the deciding factor.
For vents, I care more about see-through or a sense of depth than correct size. And you never showed the top of the rear venting (radiator intake?).
Scale trains nailed it. Ive been on hundreds of up engines and the paint is spot on as far as road/ fleet use.. The other one might be the correct paint out the factory but scale trains version is more realistic
Which snow plow is right. The fit between the walkway and long hood looks better on scaletrains. Sound is definitely better on the scaletrains.
Great video, I'm happy I found your video review. I honestly say both companies have wonderful models and these two look great, by looking at the units and color difference the Intermountain UP looks like a fresh unit out of the locomotive shop and the paint on the scaletrains UP looks like it's seen rail action with the lighter UP colors. I plan on getting back into model trains so this review is helpful 👌
Great video there, James! These types of models of the tier 4 gevo ET44ACs/C4s were amazing. I like the scale trains version because fan grill has a lot more see through but I like to peffer to intermountain because I like this actual color on the tier 4. I like your video.
Super awesome review! I think there both great models! Both have those advantages and disadvantages. Did they automatically run together or did you have to speedmatch them?
Hi James, I"m Luis Urbiera and My questions is, what ir hoy companies we're perfect?
I am having problem with my Intermountain ES44AC. The issue is the throttle will not respond. I did do several CV8 resets and still will not work. the sounds work and respond to throttle but again will not move. Am I doing anything wrong? Thank you for your time.
to be honest i like the scale trains better, and the only reason for that is the flag on the innermountain vs the scaletrains. like you said the innermountain looks cartoonie
I don't have the Scale trains version yet, but I do have the Intermountain and it is an awesome model.
The reason why manufacturers may appear to struggle to get the nose herald (UP wings) correct, is on some locos there are variences on the actual protoypes. (I'm not sure about the Teir 4s). So for example, I'm interested in getting a UP SD70M, look at photos of UP5222, and 5187, and then 5124 - perhaps some other too. The same loco and period, yet one has the wing tips wrapping arround the nose, another has wing tips that are just short of the edge of the nose, another has wng tips that just meet the edge of the nose. One of Athearn's nose herald for this model matches the protoype, another road number does not.
Hi James, when will you do a new review? My name is Lus Urbieta and I love your videos.
👍👍Wonderful comparison! I'd be happy with either one, both are great engines.🚂🚂
Great review!
I choose ST. I take two units, UP and BNFS. Both grills, sound, pipes are awsome. I prefer SCALETRAINS.
About UP's color, I noticed that the grills near from front of locomotive are in oxidatiom proces, this is more realistic and can explain the less acentuated yellow.
I have a question about running both these engines together. James or maybe other modelers who own these models.
How do these models run together in the consist?
Both have LokSound decoders (IM Select, ST v4.0) but there might be a difference in gears. What about models speeds? I bought models from ScaleTrains and I want to buy other from IM. Are speeds compatible to run models together in the consist?
Well James, another fine job on your reviews I must say. Although I did notice during the last minute of the run by that the Intermountain has more of a gap b/w the trucks and body than the ScaleTrains has. You could actually see the gear in motion where you couldn't see that in the ScaleTrains. Don't know if any other comments were left on this topic. There were to many to read.
Intermountain won in my opinion.
Excellent comparison review. How about doing a loco collection video? Or would that take too long?
I have 2 Intermountain ET44AC's. Heavy as heck, great pullers and great detail. I'm satisfied. Both in CN. I will buy a ST ET44AC in NS.
Personally I think both models are great. The contrast of the paint would be where one has been "sun bleached" and the other could ex-workshop or "as delivered" condition :).
Which one would I buy, now that is a tough one to answer.
Great video by the way.
Whether you have an Intermountain or Scale Trains you have a top quality product on your layout. Both are excellent
I’ll be honest, I have one of both (ScaleTrains unit is shipping as I’m writing this), and from this video I think these two models are both very good and well made. Definitely excited.
Plot twist: It’s still in shipping.
How’s it doing? Is it reliable? Do you still like it? Do you regret getting it? What road-name did you get? I don’t know why I’m asking these, I do two rail O scale...
In my opinion, i prefer the Intermountain over the ScaleTrains.
I feel the same. Both look great but Intermountain did better with the ditch housing making them thinner and more to scale as the ScaleTrains version are too thick. Both did rotating bearing caps which is a big plus. Athearn and Atlas will likely do the same eventually. But I am anxious for ScaleTrains upcoming CSX SD40-3.
Ditch light housing correct on scaletrains vs Intermountain work on the real ones everyday
This is an Operator not a Rivet counter. Tell him to pull up a Rivet counter and the detail is unlike any others. It's like comparing a blue box anthems against a Walthers Proto.
Great review, thx. I'm new to US trains and I have 2 Intermountain SD40 and 1 Kato SD80. I think the Kato motor is superior as it runs much quilter more smooth and pulls a lot more than the intermountains. Is Kato the best modelmaker when it comes to motors?
Henrik Scheel probably the best. Kato are well known for they super smooth running motors.
I bought a C 44- 9 w Intermountain Locomotive and the headlight ,ditch lights and rear lights lasted two weeks, now the don't turn on. What happened ? I live here in Chile and I don't know what to do for repair them.
@jlwii2000 you should another updated one of these .. now that the new run of IM are coming out next month
Intermountain is like the locomotive just came out of the factory, as where Scale trains has a lot of UP experience with the Turbines and the colors.
Holy cow the level of quality has gone way up since I was into trains as a kid twenty plus years ago. At this point it would be a choice based on price between these two.
Definitely like the scale trains model as I have never gotten a loco from inter mountain that ran right . I have had to return each one to the company for repair.
Hey James great video. Not to be picky though but at the end of your video on the run-by I noticed the gears in between the trucks and the body on the intermountain unit.... It totally had me til I noticed that. 😔
In regards to slow motor control, is there anyway to measure the speed of speed step one? I still think the speed step one is too fast, thou constant.
i have both , but the Intermountain loco have betting lighting and better paint in my opinion! both are good but i prefer Intermountain.
Do you know their consumption in amps... how much they draw ? If you can put a ampmeter, I'm curious, thanks mate...
Very tough decision, but as a railroader I can say I think the ScaleTrains sound is much more realistic. I feel the same way though it would be tough to decide
Scaletrains decoder has the bell come on with the horn. I don't like that feature and do you know how to disable that so i can ring the bell seperate from the horn.?
I noticed a few other differences while watching the video. The big difference to me is the size of the nose wings. The IM wings are larger than the ST wings. From looking at photos, the IM appears to be more accurate. Strangely, the nose wings on the Athearn flared radiator SD70Ms look a lot like the nose wings on the ST ET44AC, and I feel that the Athearn SD70M nose wings are undersized as well. I wonder why two different companies making two different locomotives would make the same mistake on the wings?
A less noticeable difference is the size of the yellow sill stripe. The IM stripe is just about the full height of the sill, while the ST leaves a little gray at the top and bottom. ST appears more accurate there.
Finally, I notice that the louvers on the panels below the cab on the right side of the locomotive are different. The IM louvers stop at the panel latches, while the ST louvers extend past the latches all way to the bottom of the panels. I have the video paused at 10:56 and it shows a good comparison between the louvers. From looking at proto photos again, it looks like IM got that detail correct.
I prefer ScaleTrains for Sound, Two different versions (Rivet Counter and Operator) and Realism but both Intermountain and ScaleTrains are awesome models
After running both units, I have to say the weakest link for the Scale Trains version are the ditch lights. They are rather weak, while the Intermountain really has awesome powerful lighting.
Great review as always each will have subtle differences or there would be copyright issues . To me they are both awesome models .
Had Tyco when I was a kid, mid 60's. If I remember correctly,and I do, they had sprung suspension. They were pretty much scale as, opposed to what we have today. Yes I could be wrong. But, it was different than what we have today. I have HO scale stock and the detail is lacking today compared to the set I had in the 60's.
I do want to add, I very much appreciate your comparison of the two locomotives. I agree with every thing you said. Thank you for your informative channel and insight.
Good job. Do some more like this.
Best tip to detail a loco is to paint the grills black. huge difference
Great comparison of the two units. You forgot to show the real chain and spring dampeners on the back left truck on the intermountain vs the plastic molded on scale trains.
In my opinion intermountain has scale trains beat on the detail and lighting aspect of the model. Scale trains has the better decoder and electronics package.
So yes it's a toss up at best. Do you go for electronics or most detail.
I mentioned the truck springs somewhere in there. I go for electronics and smooth operation over detail. I really dislike bad sound and a shuddery drive.
To my kbowledge, for the first time on an Ho model locomotive from a mainstream manufacturer, we have the Great Pleasureto find real grill everywhere there should be, with structures showing behind. That is a giant leap in model detailing. Thank's toScaletrains for it, who after their Museum Quality Big Blow turbine, goes on providing fabulous enginesl to modelrailroaders. JCP
I have a intermountain csx t4 and I just love it
Good comparison James.
It is a win-win for hobbyists!
I gotta tell you the roller bearings actually rotating is the reason I would buy the one that has them. All other things being so close.
Yes; I know they both do, but it is worth pointing out. Too Cool!
I like the see through grills and the grill weathering on the scale trains model. But i bought a intermountain cause scale trains was sold out.
Is there a reason why the wings on the front are larger on the intermountain versoin?
I like the ScaleTrains paint color. I’m one to weather my locomotives so ScaleTrains already has the fade to it.
I have to say while I love the tinted windows.... I can fix that. What I can't easily add is the see through grills. Being a big fan growing up of tunnel motors, therefor the see through grills are a game changer for me. Just wish QA with Scale Trains was better.
Scale train's coloration is what union pacific railroad paint looks like after a few years of use
I've always been a stickler for detail. Intermountain has grab irons on either side of the snowplow, Scaletrains doesn't. Scaletrains has slightly more under body detail, Intermountain doesn't. Now, which model should I choose, the one with the grab irons or the one with the slightly more under body detail? Decisions, decisions, decisions. Sigh.
For mine both are great locomotives, the scale trains stay alive capacitor gives it the very slight edge