Could it be possible that Spartan IVs are so maintenance heavy (medical scans, etc) not because they need it, but as a way to keep them under control? After all, ONI seems pretty worried about the possibility of rogue Spartans- making the IVs think they need all those resources would be a good way to keep them loyal.
Definitely an interesting idea, though there may not be much evidence either way (I don't recall the possibility ever even being mentioned, so I must point out that such evidence might just not exist)
I'd imagine its a mixture of both. Like, it's very possible that ONI intentionally designed the augmentations to require regular medical maintenance, etc, to keep them loyal rather than just rely on the impression its needed
I think the maintenance is more for optimization of performance. It's not that they NEED the maintenance, but the complexity of their equipment and implants means they need a team of specialists to keep it all in top condition. It's also possible that all the extra medical exams and reviews are to monitor and optimize their performance, and would have been included on the Spartan II's and Spartan III's if not for the desperate situation of the Human-Covenant War. Now that the UNSC has the resources and manpower, they can afford to spare no expense in keeping their super soldiers in tip top shape.
The Spartan IIs are undoubtedly awesome I'll always have a soft spot for the spartan IIIs, unlike the 2s and 4s the 3s were made to be expendable, performing some of the most dangerous and consequently most critical missions without the technological advantages of the other classes. Thrown in handfuls at the breach in the hopes that they could slow down the March of the covenant. They are the unsung heroes of the human covenant war in my opinion and we will never know most of their names or the sacrifices they made to give humanity a chance to stumble to its feet and fight back
Yeah. I would love to see spartan 3s come back but with new Mjolnir tech, and be like a smaller more elite special forces/black ops unit that does more high value or critical missions than the spartan IVs
The only shortcoming of the spartan III program was the armour they were given since a suit of mjolnir was the same price as a UNSC frigate. Still they were excellent Spartans who did more with less.
Note that in Halo Infinite, the Spartan IVs on the ring's surface were fighting for six months with zero (known--none of them mentioned anything about wayward augments in the logs) augmentation issues. Either it proves the augmentations' stability, or the checkups were being used as an invisible leash to keep the IVs in hand.
I believe that you are right about all the maintenance being a "leash measure." But, I'd also like to add a thought of that, all the maintenance and such (the whole host of support roles and needs and such) was a clever bid by lobbyists and other people wanting a renewal of the military industrial complex. The way installation 00 describes it in the beginning of the video, it's a lot like how our (US military) current military industrial complex operates so that we have $300 hammers.
Or maybe it's just that each individual author that 343 hires to write their books just can't keep up with the deluge of other bits and parts of lore that come from other authors and stories and such, so they forget important things frequently.
People who get hung up on the S-IVs' shortcomings relative to past generations are missing the point: S-IVs are logistically easier to work with, can be fielded in much greater numbers while still remaining _very_ formidable at the individual and the squad level, and they may well form the basis for vastly superior future generations who might be far more comparable to their direct predecessors. Barring some mistakes made in psychologically profiling and security-screening certain S-IVs, I view Project ORCHID as a huge step forward, and a promising look into the future of the UNSC armed forces and eventually, perhaps even humanity's physical evolution.
Plus, with postwar manpower shortages and population decline, there's no way for ONI to get away with child-napping shenanigans again so all they have to work with is adults for the foreseeable future.
Honestly the community gets so entrenched in the "but muh spartan II's!" mindset that they miss the bigger picture with the 4's. A spartan II can only be made with 1 out of a billion people, whereas a iv even with less power than a II can be made from just about anyone. This makes them superior strategic tools, as they can be deployed on mass to affect a battlefield whereas a II, while impressive will always have limited impact upon a battlefield due to the sheer scope any real scale war theater would encompass. The IV's and II's can be compared to the Germany versus France tank roles early in WWII. While France's tanks were technically superior in most regards to the Germans, the Germans numerical superiority and doctrine allowed them to overrun the superior French designs and crush the French early in the war. The same thing happened during the end of the war with Germany producing high complexity, heavy importance tanks like the Tiger and Tiger II while the Soviets went with large numbers of good enough T-34s. Hell, this can even be seen in Halo reach, as although Noble team was amazing, there simply wasn't enough of them to actually turn the tide, and Reach fell all the same. While a II may be superior in a 1v1 to a IV, any decent commander will ensure that they aren't fighting a 1v1 but at least a 3v1 if not more. So at the end of the day, I would argue for the UNSC as a whole, the IVs will be a superior tool for waging a real war should the need ever occur.
Precisely. Logistics win wars ultimately and the S-IV are a solid step in that direction. Looking long term In the far future I'd want my lowest average human soldier to be the level of the S-IV's. Humanities armies suddenly become extremely formidable, the closest to our Ancient Human ancestors.
I wish 343 would just stop listening to the dumbass fanboys when it comes to story\lore. These stupid fanboys are fine replaying the same game and story they've played decade ago
Am I the only person who after hearing this at 25:33 thought... - "All remaining nutrients are now ready for remote activation." - "Remote activation? From here?" - "Don't be ridiculous..." - "Listen Tinker Bell... Don't make me..."
Anyone wanting to be a real Spartan should start working out now and training to the level of a Navy SEAL. Every Spartan candidate including John-117 had to workout to be ready to receive their augmentations. Couch potatoes need not apply. 🤣
IRL They'll just send you off to die for no reason. Or use you as a disposable lab rat. In the Halo Universe the Spartans are literally fighting against a genocidal enemy for their own survival and that of humanity.
Unless we face a military enemy that runs the risk of causing our extinction, there will never be super soldiers anywhere near the level of spartans. The military doesnt even give our current soldiers the best gear and armor they could. Its a cost/quality balance. Take into account 1 navy seal costs about $500,000 dollars to just to train.
@Cooper Webb If you live in a country with politicians, you're already a tool for them. Everyone is a tool for something, whether they admit it or not.
#Installation00 I think the limited nature of Spartan IV - their regular need for medical examination and far more care than previous Spartans - was a deliberate move by ONI. They learned from their experiences with Daisy, Soren 066 and ILSA Zane. They wanted supersoldiers on leash, not Supersoldiers who might follow their conscience and try to fight ONI. What do you think??
@@quinn8599 Eh, nothing is as scary after reading 1984 years before I probably should have. Go read it. It will haunt you for the rest of your life and you won't be scared of such tame (and logical) theories ^^.
On the day that everyone becomes a Spartan is the day when UNSC starts looking for ways to make Olympians, nd on the day everyone becomes an Olympian is the day the UNSC starts making Titans, and then from Titans to Primordials (no, not like that one). Spartans shouldn't humanity's end point. They should be the springboard to something even stronger.
In my opinion, I'd say the Spartan IVs are the pinnacle of the Spartan Generations. They have saved millions of people during wars againts the remnants of The Covenant, the Promethean forces and even the newly introduced Banished forces. They have the best tech integrated into their armor as well as reasonable and fitting augmentations. People might not like my decision, I enjoy the Spartan IVs for what they've become. Even Fireteam Osiris are pretty badass.
Generally speaking: seem the only REAL flaw with the Spartan IVs is their high maintenance requirements. They fix that issue and they'd be as versatile are the previous generations. Probably be the Spartan Vs.
Sometimes you Wana make sure your soldiers aren't given too long a leash, especially somthing like the Spartans, you wouldn't want them to get ideas about not needing the rest of us
@@nickburton9366 yep, otherwise you get rogue soldiers like Mickey, originally in Buck's ODST Squad, Alpha-Nine that defected to the rebels after becoming a Spartan IV
I think its possible that the spartan 2's and 3's might have received the s4 augments they are effectively missing. I also think that the s4's gradualy adapt to their augmentations too, making maintainance less and less necessary over time and slowly increading the spartans capabilities too, maybe even closing the s2 to s4 gap after a few decades, if the s4 has a cat2 genome. The maintainance would only be necessary because of the late augmentation date based long adaptation time (likely many years) and to always have peek fighting capabilities , but not for augmentation retention (i bet the s2 have a similar maintanance program for fitness. Spartans are considered army property, so maintainance is the used word). A cat2 or cat3 spartan 4 might only need augmentation very low adaption maintainance.
I agree. I think adaptations are early and experimental. As time goes one they get used to things and their bodies adapt. So between adapting the bodies over time and the augmentations get tweaked over time, they will need less overwatch.
@@brockwilkie6022 exactly. Spartan 2's and 3's needed no such overwatch, as there were more biological strong beforehand and were not fully grown. A cat 2 s4 that entered relatively young might not need maintainance too
@@thatoneguy9291 SIVs shouldn't have been called Spartans imo. The whole idea behind that particular name is that they've been training since childhood. Call them Hoplites if you want to keep the Greek inspiration, but they're not Spartans in a traditional sense.
Ian no that’s not the idea. They weren’t intended to be kidnapped children, it was required though. It’s not their whole point it’s CIRCUMSTANCE. The ORIONS aren’t called Spartans because they failed. Spartans are called Spartans because they are a successful super soldier branch that continues to succeed. Changing their name because 343 went back to the original concept of Spartans is insanely stupid and pointless just to appease fans.
@@thatoneguy9291 Not only that look at it at a lore stand point, imagine growing up, hearing that ONI released footage of Spartan-II's, figures, posters, progaganda to keep moral going, you join up, survive and you get asked to be a SPARTAN. It's pretty much "Be a hero!", in comics it's "Join the Justice League" or "Join the avengers!". Who in their right mind would turn down being a Spartan? (Apart from Buck the first time).
I can see the meta stability of the S4's augmentations being an intentional bug on behalf of ONI to ensure that spartan deserters don't become a thorn in the UNSC by limiting their operational utility outside of the UNSC without their support.
These alterations seem oddly similar to the Space marine creation in the Warhammer 40k universe. Both are way cool. It's just fascinating to see that cybernetics are a staple of top tier science fiction soldiers.
I wish a lot of people would get off the anti-S-IV train and just take the program for what it is: the original goal of the Orion Project. I always maintain to this day that the only real issue with them is their writing, seeing as how it is rare that people accurately depict the military and how it and it's people actually works any way. They just wanted to depict S-IVs as more human in their personalities, but rather came off as being too immature and unprofessional to ever actually achieve their title and status by even real world standards. Yes. The S-IIs are the most successful generation. But, there is absolutely no need to have this fixation willing kidnapping and producing child soldiers.
In all fairness, they did fix the professionalism problem with Osiris, they just forgot to add any personality in its place. Crimson, the team you play as in Spartan Ops, is also pretty good, since they're constantly fixing Majestic's screw ups. What idiot thought the name Majestic was a good idea anyway?
27:18 Okay, I noticed an error :( Telomerase is the enzyme that extends the telomeres in existing cells, mostly gametes, and isn't really active much, if at all in non-cancerous somatic cells. Its the *telomeres* that are slowly eroded after each copying, not the telomerase. Telomere = DNA sequence at the 3' ends of your chromosomes that is there because each copy can't copy the whole thing, and is basically there to protect against copy degradation. Telomerase = enzyme that extends the telomere. Massive difference. Also, the chromosome with 4 red areas as "telomeres" is just wrong, as there are only two ends to the chromosome, which is where the telomeres are, which you should've noticed that given it wasn't like that in the original image.
@@djcuevas1057 What kind of Combat skins did these warriors wear? I heard the highest level of Combat skins were level 18. I guess they wear something like that.
I’d assume they had the highest level of Combat skins, if we went by 343 guilty sparks rating in Halo: The Flood. I’d also assume that the warrior-servants of the Forerunners were much stronger. If you went off the strength of the Didact. It’s mentioned in the forerunner trilogy that he is not the strongest, nor the fastest. If that’s the case, they’re much stronger indeed.
@@Seraphim_Belisarius Makes you wonder how strong they were if Spark's compares MJOLNIR to a level II combat skin then imagine what level 18 or any unofficial experimental armor the Forerunners were developing could do in feats of strength.
@@thorshammer7883 well those Warrior servants would be at least having thousands of years experience in fighting and would have more ability what even a Spartan could barely imagine of, and the didact was about millions years old that makes him literally close to immortality, a Spartan in that case are highly inferior and only have decades of experience against thousands of years battle experience, and I heard they were able to make super dense materials which are thousands or millions or I don't know billion times durable than steel...so you know what kind of Warrior servants we are taking about........
going to second this, but definitely after a Spartan augmentation combo video where we see which ones can be thrown together from different generations and guesses as to the results lol
Sorry for being rude. It was not my intention. What I meant is that some people would not catch small stuff like that. I know i didn't untill it was pointed out. Sorry for sounding rude.
So the Spartan 4s are built to fight and survive but not to last under the normal sense of the human existence. My observation is this; the problem with every machine is that they inevitably breakdown. All these augments must have a use life, yet the high level of integration and the cost of up keep would suggest that that post war life is non existent. This is in every way a lifetime commitment. There is effectively no way to separate the man/woman from the machine once the process has started. The excerpt about how the Infinity has a whole deck deticated to just Spartans proves the monitary and industrial commitment to this project. Think about 3.75 miles of space just for just Spartans medical, housing, workout and their gear storage. These volunteers will never go home again and if the do they will die a slow and painful death once the augments break down occurs.
All this augumentations and they could field over one hundred spartans in 3 years? That is kinda weird consider the time a Person would need to adapt and accept to these heavy augumentations and the changes to their body.
The cellular immortality aspect would mostly negate his age being a factor since the effects of aging wouldn't force him to retire when a normal person would so his training and experience probably out weighs the age issue due to how much less likely he is to die.
@@noneurbisness6521 well the forerunners battle suit was far advanced than the suit used by Ancient humans according to the knowledge we have about them, but the ancient humans fighting weapons and fighting ability was better than forerunners.
I like to believe every Ancient Human was like a Spartan-II, if the Forerunnet at least didn't devolve us the Covenant would had a very, very hard time against an entire army of Demons.
Ancient humans are far superior to spartan 2s. The only reason we got wiped out back then was cause the forerunners were having a temper tantrum that the persecurors choose us over them. They then made things even worse by attacking and killing them and making the grounds for the flood to come into existence
@@quinn8599 I'mean, "average" Ancient Human was like a Spartan-II, I can imagine them having their own super soldiers to fight against Warrior Servants in equal term.
@@alexisbaz8746 their below average guy was probably spartan 2 guy. Like ancient humanity was fucking craaazy. If we were being chosen to take the mantle of leaders of the universe we had to have been packing some SERIOUS heat. Fucl the ancient forerunners-
@@quinn8599 Considering Arcaeo-Hominae held the Forerunners on a planet with no hope of winning for several decades on Charum Hakkor, I'm pretty sure a Spartan-II would be seen as an invalid to even the average civilian of the Ancient Human Empire.
Spartan-III’s will always be my favorite. The perfect balance between 2’s and 4’s. They also went into combat scenarios that had practically zero percent survivability but went in guns blazing
I love this video. After watching all three, the Spartan 4s are actually more interesting in their augmentations because of the advancements made overtime. While the power factor in others are way cooler and interesting, as is the other augmentations nuerally and physically, these are smaller and more advanced and less noticeable yet very interesting
Has there been any genetic adaptions to the general populous of humanity making the baseline human more effective in combat than modern day humans? Obviously you cant reasonably genetically adapt a species to have carbon-diamond-titanium tube bones but maybe making adaptions to red blood cell coubt or muscle fibre density? That would make sense to covertly adapt the population so that the people who enlist in the military can hit harder on average than we can today.
Oh, the 4’s are still amazing no doubt. Even with needing. More advanced armor to take up the gap in their inferiority. 4’s still would never best 2’s in equal numbers. The 2’s have far more practical, and hard core combat experience than the 4’s will ever have. And the 2’a have heavy experience against humans and covenant. They will always win in equal, or slightly against them combat. Buck was right they are demigods, the 2’s are God’s, of war.
That's kinda the point of the IV's though. Yeah, they're inferior, but they're cheaper and easier to make. To quote Josef Stalin: "Quantity has a quality all it's own." It may take a hundred IV's to down a II, but they can replace those losses much easier than the II's could if they were still recruiting.
@@Installation00 oh I wholeheartedly agree. There is a bunch of overlap between those franchises with respect to the augmentation of human bodies, just with Deus Ex focusing a lot heavier on it. I was just memeing a dialogue bit from Human Revolution
When 2020 is over and I become Canada's Apocalyptic Supreme Warlord, I will offer you the Minister of Science position in my cabinet. Comes with a Northern test area and a tropical vacation paradise.
@@biglenin7306 most of northern Canada will become tropical and be renamed CariboCanada. Moose will also double in size, beavers will become Carnivorous and be more closely related to Panthers. I will be riding a battle moose into war and have 4 combat beavers trained in close protection and assassination.
No joke, I legit have a guy who would sign up for a Spartan program... he'd go renegade five seconds later and run back to the US, but at least you'd know the process works.
One thing you haven't mentioned but could be added as a side note, is the enhancement with synthesis progestative or hormonal implants to prevent female soldier to suffer their periods. (What real life female soldiers perform as self medication in combat theaters as of today)
I always was curious on why ONI doesn't simply clone new Spartans to suit their needs. If I understand correctly, flash cloning was incredible unreliable which lead them to abducting children in the first place. Do you think now that Cortana is linked to the domain that she could create cloned soldiers for her army?
I don't think the bones were lengthened using the process of breaking the bones, the halopedia states subjects undergo treatment to induce bone and muscle growth. It would be kinda dumb and use up resources just to make Spartans taller just by making their arms and legs longer. I believe the skeleton undergoes some growth proportionally to the increase in height since in some cutscenes they appear scaled up, most notably the head seems bigger when standing next to someone unaugmented. Overall I think spartan IV augmentations are good enough and better in some aspects, the issue with spartan IV's is the discipline. I think the recruitment process should be changed in some way, maybe select people who are colder and logical of temperament. Another ethical way would be to set up a Spartan academy where all parties involved give consent ( parents, the aspirants themselves e.t.c. Let's say training starts at 14 -15 and those who don't make the cut are sent off to other UNSC branches. The training would be brutal, and in the end you'd end up with highly trained and disciplined Spartans. Basically use the lure of possibly becoming Spartans to drive up recruitment, those who don't make it might still make excellent soldiers. The candidates who do make the cut start Spartan augmentations at 18 and by the time they're 24 - 25 when the body has fully matured and adapted to all the surgeries they get deployed.
I’ve been reading all the halo books in chronological order. Currently, I’m at the end of the Kilo-Five trilogy, Halo: Mortal Dictata. Spartan IV’s have been mentioned, but their augmentations, not so much. Is there a future book that goes in depth about it?
i know they are supposed to be less powerful but wow, that is some serious augmentations. Waiting for the augmentation combo video now! Thank you so much for these.
The "less powerful" stuff was a blatantly a later retcon IMO. There was no mention of it anywhere in the initial lore about S-IV and it only started creeping in, in some of the later crap. Frankly, the augmentations as actually described are more invasive, extensive, and far reaching then ANYTHING described on the S-IIs. Without the stupid authorial fiat that the S-IIs must be the most specialist of snowflakes despite being nearly 40 year old "technology" now, by any sane and reasoned accounting of the acutal described augmentations of both the S-IVs are drastically more advanced with a much wider ranged of augmented capabilities. About the only area you could kind of buy the S-II being better is raw physical strength, since the use of still growing subjects seems to have resulted in somewhat larger stature on average. But this idea that the S-IV are generally just worse then S-II is simply dumb and completely at odds with the acutal laundary list of of augmentations described for them that the S-IIs have absolutely no confirmed equivalence for.
@@Tk3997 I mean it’s pretty self explanatory buck even said it himself they aren’t as powerful as the 2s and 3s which is a fact idk why you so upset he stating a fact the other stuff you said was based on opinions
I suspect that Spartan-IVs were made so 'maintenance intensive' was so they could be more easily controlled by UNSC. Since Spartans were originally created to keep the "peasants in line". The 'Leadership' of UNSC apparently is rather paranoid, and seeks to ensure they could control their soldiers; so all they have to do is withhold maintenance, and the Spartan-IV will inevitably keel over dead...
@@TheGeechman but there's enhancements that the IVs have that are brand new and werent given to the IIs originally like the lungs, heart and gut stuff. I wondering if they eventually got that.
@@dasovietunion3370 probably not, remember its really really hard to try and tamper or "improve" on the generation 2 spartans because they are already at their peak, the most i could ever see them getting from the 4s superior biology arsenal of medical stuff is having their organs being able to be grown again and replace the previous one if need be
Well you initially made one incorrect statement Spartan twos were kidnapped Spartan threes for volunteer refugee children from destroyed worlds that the Covenant had glassed or attacked
@@brockwilkie6022 And thus the regimentation of said pills; same way tier one operatives and deep cover agents in intelligence get the posh yet regimented R&R and debriefing sessions after they complete their operations, have the absolute best but for the love of god find a means to put them on a hardened leash else they find they want to do what you don't want to and give you the bird once they decide they don't want to be beholden to you anymore...
I sat down 2 minutes ago and somehow this video is already over? I don’t know how you do it but you somehow make 40 minutes feel like no time at all, you should be a teacher if you’re not already
It's a common theory that ONI made up Spartan-IVs always needing maintenance to keep them on a tighter leash. Not an impossible theory but there's a ton of information that suggests otherwise. We often saw Spartan-IVs operating on their own without support for extended periods even before the Created and Banished Conflicts. Why would ONI allow this if they wanted to keep the Spartan-IVs under heavy control? Part of what makes Spartans or any spec-op so effective is their autonomy, taking that away would severely limit their effectiveness as supersoldiers. Which is a big deal considering Spartan-IVs are meant to be a critical tool of defense in case another Covenant War kicked off. I have a much simpler theory that's supported by the lore. The MJOLNIR Recruit armor is apparently designed to help newly inducted S-IVs deal with the strain and duress they experience post augmentation. In fact, every new S-IV is required to wear the Recruit armor until they "demonstrate mastery over their many augmentations." This wording suggest that whether or not a Spartan-IV requires maintenance depends on their experience. As shown in the video S-IVs undergo very heavy augmentation so it places a great deal of strain on their bodies. Due to their bodies being past the developmental stages it takes longer for the S-IV's bodies to fully accept or bond with their augmentations, so they require periodic tune-ups to make sure nothing goes wrong. The Recruit armor is designed to assist in this process and ease the burdern. As the operator gains more experience they get more powerful less dependent on periodic maintenance to the point where it may not even be necessary, thus affording them greater autonomy. This would explain why we often see Spartan-IVs operating for long periods of time without support. It should be noted that Spartan-IIs also apparently require augmentation maintenance.
I know this vid is a couple years old and Infinite wasn't out yet, but since the spartan 4s,"...need constant 'tune-ups' to ensure nothing goes wrong with their bodies," (Quoting the wiki on 4s augs)Then how is spartan Dinh capable of,"... surviving for long periods alone in the field..."? Quoting the wiki page on the character.
Just a thought i have, xenomorphs as well can survive space, possibly longer than spartan foura can, but the question is for how long. Also, does their lung tissue allow them a similar mechanic?
Each time I watch your most detailed breakdown of Spartans I get more and more envious, jealous, and resentful that there is no way for me to achieve the heights that a spartan can.
In all fairness, you're odds of being accepted into the Spartan IV's would be pretty slim, so your odds wouldn't be much better if you were in Halo. Also, you would've had to survive the Human-Covenant War...
How long can a Spartan IV candidate become an actual spartan ready for active duty? Considering the multiple augmentation procedures, stages of healing, additional modifications again healing from these modifications then training and re-orienting with their new bodies and armor.
I imagine some of the spartan IVs augmentations would be rejected by their bodies to a degree were they not to receive medical maintenance after a certain amount of time which is interesting ethically and strategically, you're creating soldiers that rely on highly specialised maintenance that may not always be available.
So i have a couple points, where i think there may be missing lore, and i wanted to bounce a couple thoughts off of you. Firstly comes the lengthening of the bones. Bucks in armor height is approx 6'10, with the armor adding about 3 or 4 inches in height. So buck went from 6'2 to about 6'5/6'6. Surgical distraction osteogenesis seems a bit of an intensive procedure to grow only a few inches. (and wouldn't that leave said Spartan IVs with some rather unusual proportions unless they altered virtually every bone in the body?). Do you think it would be more/less likely that the growth would be induced chemically? Such as by repopulating the cartilage in the epiphysial plate, then using growth hormone to induce a final growth spurt. It seems to me a much less invasive procedure and more likely justifiable on a risk/reward basis, given the only modest height increase of S-IV candidates. My 2nd and final question refers to a piece of lore added in the official spartan field manual. It states (from memory) that candidates muscles are woven through with synthetic fibres, using similar if not the same technology used in MJOLNIR's polymuscle layer. Additionally Spartan Palmer her muscles were coated with a synthetic compound that granted her her enhanced strength. Do you think the aforementioned methods could be what the lore actually referred to in terms of muscle grafting? Just wanted to get your thoughts on those two theories as the former has bugged me for quite some time, the lore on project ORCHID can be somewhat contradictory at times
What was the reasoning behind ditching the Spartan III enhancements? It was cheaper, chemical based, and the safety of the augmentations was quickly improving from all the children they were shoving into the grinder to be Spartans. There's no real reason to ditch all that effort, in fact the Spartan III enhancements would have increased safety and survival rate for undergoing Spartan II augmentations. It's just... congratulations, you've made a wider set of enhancements and thrown all that prior research and invested money out the window. Hell, there's no reason you couldn't put the Spartan IV enhancements onto the Spartan III enhancements, further increasing survival for Spartan II enhancements. In addition, the necessity of continuous 'maintenance' of the augmentations is a waste of time and resources, let alone the logistical nightmare of giving them treatment when they retire.
They are needs children to make them at post war era people would not tolerate children to round up again, while IV program you just need recycle veterans from special force like odst or seeks promising new recruit from unsc stocks.
I think one topic people usually don't focus over is the "side effects". Just like the side effects our normal medicines may or may not have. As such, the general view among the fandom regarding the Spartan II's "reduced sex drive" is over exaggerated in my opinion. Some may DEFINITELY have those side effects, but it most likely doesn't translate to every single Spartan- II in my opinion. The Catalytic Thyroid Implant's risk is mentioned as "Rare instances of Elephantiasis- Suppressed Sexual Drive" which clearly suggests that this is a rare risk, much like the risk of bone privatisation due to skeletal enhancements.
I don't know why but the Spartan 4 program rubs me the wrong way somehow to the point I don't like them. I don't know if it's because they seem so undisciplined or not very former and stoic like the IIs and IIIs were or it's just because they don't really seem to fit very well as the definition of super soldiers in Halo very well. I don't know I just don't like them for some reason. Maybe one them could be because they seem to be so smug compared to the old Spartans.
Part of a Spartans II and IIIs indoctrination is to survive 15 atomic wedgies during training. They took that our for the IV's. It's made them a bunch of whining Gen Z's. LOL
It’s the environment they were created and trained in. They weren’t created as some war-time endgame. They have no reason to be so stoic because most haven’t needed to go through the same hardships as other Spartans have, hence their lighthearted banter. They aren’t as serious because the situations don’t call for it nearly as much. Also 343 is bad at representing them. They should actually be better than the previous generations if we’re going by stats. They have better tech and more advanced training that’s been updated with analysis from the other generations. People don’t like them because they’ve been portrayed as TOO immature and undisciplined.
Mentally refer to them as Athenians and it might help. Keeps the Greek theming, but acknowledges that while they can have equal performance to a Spartan II/III, they do it in a different way. Like how Athenians of Ancient Greece were unparalleled in Greece with their navy.
Something a lot of fans possibly including you, don’t understand is that the 2’s and 3’s had not childhoods, they have no sense of humor, they were trained, augmented and most importantly indoctrinated as children. It’s why they are so robotic and emotionless. The 4’s had childhoods, they weren’t indoctrinated as children, they grew and matured like normal human children and adults which is why they know how to express and feel. They understand humor, they were normal people which is why they joke because I’m sure you know normal people joke
JBear Antonicic exactly. It’s all about circumstances, but people are too fixated on their origins and not how effective their potential is on the field.
Well considering in spartan ops when we saw those two spartans hitting on Palmer I could imagine that they aren’t like the 2s and actually have sexual tendencies
Not to mention, chief hasn't fallen more than once unconscious other than Halo 3, He fell through the atmosphere of requiem after get torn away from the dawn, though he did have ship parts to break his fall somewhat at the start, shortly after he was knocked unconscious and there for wouldn't able to maintain control in flight. Safe to say a spartan can fall a pretty good amount of distance even it's from space straight to the surface of a planet.
I honestly don't see why IVs get the hate that they do. Aside from One female Spartan, I found IV's to be pretty cool. Maybe it's because I like the rest of you losers, I've come to grips with the reality that should Spartan Program ever get a real world counterpart, I'm obviously too old to be a II or III, and IV is my best bet.
To be fair, Fireteam Majestic was a bit of a slap in the face with their antics. Granted they weren't nearly as bad as most people think, but they certainly weren't the best way to introduce the new generation, Osiris would have been better.
Damn cool detailed video it also makes me wonder if we'll learn more about the mutation that the vhief received from the librarian in halo 4 during halo infinite as theres no further mention during the rest of halo 4 or 5 so im curios what exactly do you think happened in terms of his physical capabilities
I thought spartan II's were the one who got kidnapped as children and spartan III's were children and teens who were given the option to join due to them seeing first hand there home and family dying by the covenant?
Technically the IIIs were kidnapped. They simply had the choice to leave when they got to onyx. Also no IIIs started off as teens, the oldest known conscript was Carter who was 11
He stated the IIIs were gods compared to the Titans. Like how in Greek mythology the titans were the peak, however some gods would rise far above them. He was complementing their potential. However I do agree they are nearly dead even
Well didn't the olympians putsmart the titans? But i think the iis received more education than the iiis. But i personally think that a spartan iii cat 2 from gamma in mjolnir gen 2 would be far stronger than a ii if they had equal battlefield experience. You just need to make sure they get thier drugs or your ginna have a very bad time.
I would have just augmented ODSTs with non-invasive, chemical Spartan 1 augmentations and given them SPI armor. Cheaper and quicker than making Spartan 4's.
so I have a question, whats the benefit of making spartans taller (I get that it looks cool)? making spartans taller means that the UNSC must produce larger weapons, seats, cups etc to fit larger bodies. this seems like huge issue. or am I way off? would love a in-depth video on this.
Off the top of the head, more space for the muscle to be added on, bigger is better for the most part for greater mass in close combat. These guys literally go hand to hand with elites and brutes so evening things up make sense. Also more room for those new organs. Lung and heart copacity would increase as well
9:36 It is stated in the spartan field manual on page 25 in regards to the skeletal reengineering series that aside from the skeletal fullerene lattice, titanium-A and composite sheathing is also employed to strengthen the spartan 4's bones.
i wish we knew how much it enhanced their strength. we know they weight around 290 pounds so a multiplication of 2 would put them at about 600. but with gen 3 armor even at maximum 10x (which is roughly the max we know spartan 2s can handle multiplication) then they would put them still weaker than just gen 2 armor. by this logic they need to atleast be able to lift more than that. assuming it mulplies by 2.5x then even at 10x strength they can only roughly hold 3.5 tons. which makes them marginally stronger than gen 2. overall if we go with 800 pounds out of armor a multiplication of 10x would make them lift 4 tons. which would be roughly 12.5-20% at most increase in strength wearing gen 3. since we know gen 3 uses gen 1 style of muscles enhancements
Jeez, I did my PhD in axonal development, but it’s been years since I did that work. This video was a solid yet unexpected refresher 😂 Well done on doing your homework on the science here
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Most detailed on the prophet chair would be cool
At first i thought you were joking but the more i think about this the more i want it
I agree 100%
A detailed breakdown will be considered heresy
I would like to know how many cupholders it has
Yes please
Could it be possible that Spartan IVs are so maintenance heavy (medical scans, etc) not because they need it, but as a way to keep them under control? After all, ONI seems pretty worried about the possibility of rogue Spartans- making the IVs think they need all those resources would be a good way to keep them loyal.
Definitely an interesting idea, though there may not be much evidence either way (I don't recall the possibility ever even being mentioned, so I must point out that such evidence might just not exist)
Its all about controll bud. The gov does this kinda shit today
I'd imagine its a mixture of both. Like, it's very possible that ONI intentionally designed the augmentations to require regular medical maintenance, etc, to keep them loyal rather than just rely on the impression its needed
I think the maintenance is more for optimization of performance. It's not that they NEED the maintenance, but the complexity of their equipment and implants means they need a team of specialists to keep it all in top condition. It's also possible that all the extra medical exams and reviews are to monitor and optimize their performance, and would have been included on the Spartan II's and Spartan III's if not for the desperate situation of the Human-Covenant War. Now that the UNSC has the resources and manpower, they can afford to spare no expense in keeping their super soldiers in tip top shape.
The thing is that a lot of Spartan 4s were UNSC troops so they were already loyal
The Spartan IIs are undoubtedly awesome I'll always have a soft spot for the spartan IIIs, unlike the 2s and 4s the 3s were made to be expendable, performing some of the most dangerous and consequently most critical missions without the technological advantages of the other classes. Thrown in handfuls at the breach in the hopes that they could slow down the March of the covenant. They are the unsung heroes of the human covenant war in my opinion and we will never know most of their names or the sacrifices they made to give humanity a chance to stumble to its feet and fight back
Yeah. I would love to see spartan 3s come back but with new Mjolnir tech, and be like a smaller more elite special forces/black ops unit that does more high value or critical missions than the spartan IVs
Same here, the IIIs were always my favorite Spartan Generation for that reason.
a group of em couldn't even be killed by ground forces in open ground and had to be kill with naval weapons....such badasses
The only shortcoming of the spartan III program was the armour they were given since a suit of mjolnir was the same price as a UNSC frigate. Still they were excellent Spartans who did more with less.
@@thespikeheadboy3164 And just look at the few that were given Mjolnir. They had combat records on par with the IIs.
Note that in Halo Infinite, the Spartan IVs on the ring's surface were fighting for six months with zero (known--none of them mentioned anything about wayward augments in the logs) augmentation issues. Either it proves the augmentations' stability, or the checkups were being used as an invisible leash to keep the IVs in hand.
Maybe on the Mortal Reverie there was a medic room,is not tell in the audiolog so you can have right.
I can absolutely see that. Keeps their soldiers from going AWOL or switching sides.
I believe that you are right about all the maintenance being a "leash measure."
But, I'd also like to add a thought of that, all the maintenance and such (the whole host of support roles and needs and such) was a clever bid by lobbyists and other people wanting a renewal of the military industrial complex. The way installation 00 describes it in the beginning of the video, it's a lot like how our (US military) current military industrial complex operates so that we have $300 hammers.
Or maybe it's just that each individual author that 343 hires to write their books just can't keep up with the deluge of other bits and parts of lore that come from other authors and stories and such, so they forget important things frequently.
That would make sense because the IVs aren’t indoctrinated children
Your level of depth into the minutia and clearly techno-jargon is brilliant. Nylund who made all this underpinning has a Masters in Chemical Physics.
People who get hung up on the S-IVs' shortcomings relative to past generations are missing the point: S-IVs are logistically easier to work with, can be fielded in much greater numbers while still remaining _very_ formidable at the individual and the squad level, and they may well form the basis for vastly superior future generations who might be far more comparable to their direct predecessors. Barring some mistakes made in psychologically profiling and security-screening certain S-IVs, I view Project ORCHID as a huge step forward, and a promising look into the future of the UNSC armed forces and eventually, perhaps even humanity's physical evolution.
Plus, with postwar manpower shortages and population decline, there's no way for ONI to get away with child-napping shenanigans again so all they have to work with is adults for the foreseeable future.
Honestly the community gets so entrenched in the "but muh spartan II's!" mindset that they miss the bigger picture with the 4's. A spartan II can only be made with 1 out of a billion people, whereas a iv even with less power than a II can be made from just about anyone. This makes them superior strategic tools, as they can be deployed on mass to affect a battlefield whereas a II, while impressive will always have limited impact upon a battlefield due to the sheer scope any real scale war theater would encompass. The IV's and II's can be compared to the Germany versus France tank roles early in WWII. While France's tanks were technically superior in most regards to the Germans, the Germans numerical superiority and doctrine allowed them to overrun the superior French designs and crush the French early in the war. The same thing happened during the end of the war with Germany producing high complexity, heavy importance tanks like the Tiger and Tiger II while the Soviets went with large numbers of good enough T-34s. Hell, this can even be seen in Halo reach, as although Noble team was amazing, there simply wasn't enough of them to actually turn the tide, and Reach fell all the same. While a II may be superior in a 1v1 to a IV, any decent commander will ensure that they aren't fighting a 1v1 but at least a 3v1 if not more. So at the end of the day, I would argue for the UNSC as a whole, the IVs will be a superior tool for waging a real war should the need ever occur.
Precisely. Logistics win wars ultimately and the S-IV are a solid step in that direction. Looking long term In the far future I'd want my lowest average human soldier to be the level of the S-IV's. Humanities armies suddenly become extremely formidable, the closest to our Ancient Human ancestors.
.....Huh... There’s still hope for Humanity after all..
I wish 343 would just stop listening to the dumbass fanboys when it comes to story\lore. These stupid fanboys are fine replaying the same game and story they've played decade ago
Am I the only person who after hearing this at 25:33 thought...
- "All remaining nutrients are now ready for remote activation."
- "Remote activation? From here?"
- "Don't be ridiculous..."
- "Listen Tinker Bell... Don't make me..."
Anyone wanting to be a real Spartan should start working out now and training to the level of a Navy SEAL.
Every Spartan candidate including John-117 had to workout to be ready to receive their augmentations.
Couch potatoes need not apply. 🤣
Running twice a day, working out with my Special Forces buddy.
IRL They'll just send you off to die for no reason. Or use you as a disposable lab rat.
In the Halo Universe the Spartans are literally fighting against a genocidal enemy for their own survival and that of humanity.
Unless we face a military enemy that runs the risk of causing our extinction, there will never be super soldiers anywhere near the level of spartans.
The military doesnt even give our current soldiers the best gear and armor they could. Its a cost/quality balance.
Take into account 1 navy seal costs about $500,000 dollars to just to train.
@Cooper Webb If you live in a country with politicians, you're already a tool for them. Everyone is a tool for something, whether they admit it or not.
#Installation00
I think the limited nature of Spartan IV - their regular need for medical examination and far more care than previous Spartans - was a deliberate move by ONI.
They learned from their experiences with Daisy, Soren 066 and ILSA Zane.
They wanted supersoldiers on leash, not Supersoldiers who might follow their conscience and try to fight ONI.
What do you think??
Could be! ONI has done far worse before.......
This...
Makes a lot of sense and it scares me....
Dude.. i need you to go sit and stay away from the fandom.. before you scare us all...
Basically Mickey from ODST, rogue Spartan IV that joined the rebel
@@quinn8599 Eh, nothing is as scary after reading 1984 years before I probably should have. Go read it. It will haunt you for the rest of your life and you won't be scared of such tame (and logical) theories ^^.
On the day that everyone becomes a Spartan is the day when UNSC starts looking for ways to make Olympians, nd on the day everyone becomes an Olympian is the day the UNSC starts making Titans, and then from Titans to Primordials (no, not like that one).
Spartans shouldn't humanity's end point. They should be the springboard to something even stronger.
pretty sure humanity will reach forerunner levels of bio-engineering one day
Primarchs lmao
@@demonickiller6315 Magnus did nothing wrong
That is what Halsey said about the II-series. They were the next step in humanity's evolution.
Been watching you for a long time and I swear I thought I was subbed , but I wasn’t... but I fixed the heresy!
In my opinion, I'd say the Spartan IVs are the pinnacle of the Spartan Generations. They have saved millions of people during wars againts the remnants of The Covenant, the Promethean forces and even the newly introduced Banished forces. They have the best tech integrated into their armor as well as reasonable and fitting augmentations. People might not like my decision, I enjoy the Spartan IVs for what they've become. Even Fireteam Osiris are pretty badass.
The best comment I've seen so far
Generally speaking: seem the only REAL flaw with the Spartan IVs is their high maintenance requirements. They fix that issue and they'd be as versatile are the previous generations. Probably be the Spartan Vs.
Sometimes you Wana make sure your soldiers aren't given too long a leash, especially somthing like the Spartans, you wouldn't want them to get ideas about not needing the rest of us
Nothing some WD-40 can't fix.
@@nickburton9366 yep, otherwise you get rogue soldiers like Mickey, originally in Buck's ODST Squad, Alpha-Nine that defected to the rebels after becoming a Spartan IV
@@Vonmoonlight Say what? You're gonna have to fill me in on this, or link me to a source that does. This news to me.
@@retroicdescent it is in the New Blood and Bad Blood novels.
I think its possible that the spartan 2's and 3's might have received the s4 augments they are effectively missing.
I also think that the s4's gradualy adapt to their augmentations too, making maintainance less and less necessary over time and slowly increading the spartans capabilities too, maybe even closing the s2 to s4 gap after a few decades, if the s4 has a cat2 genome.
The maintainance would only be necessary because of the late augmentation date based long adaptation time (likely many years) and to always have peek fighting capabilities , but not for augmentation retention (i bet the s2 have a similar maintanance program for fitness. Spartans are considered army property, so maintainance is the used word).
A cat2 or cat3 spartan 4 might only need augmentation very low adaption maintainance.
I agree. I think adaptations are early and experimental. As time goes one they get used to things and their bodies adapt. So between adapting the bodies over time and the augmentations get tweaked over time, they will need less overwatch.
@@brockwilkie6022 exactly. Spartan 2's and 3's needed no such overwatch, as there were more biological strong beforehand and were not fully grown. A cat 2 s4 that entered relatively young might not need maintainance too
Ooh boy I can already tell this vid is going to start a war in the comment section.
SIV’s are good on paper, 343 was bad at representing them
@@thatoneguy9291 SIVs shouldn't have been called Spartans imo. The whole idea behind that particular name is that they've been training since childhood.
Call them Hoplites if you want to keep the Greek inspiration, but they're not Spartans in a traditional sense.
Ian no that’s not the idea. They weren’t intended to be kidnapped children, it was required though. It’s not their whole point it’s CIRCUMSTANCE. The ORIONS aren’t called Spartans because they failed. Spartans are called Spartans because they are a successful super soldier branch that continues to succeed. Changing their name because 343 went back to the original concept of Spartans is insanely stupid and pointless just to appease fans.
@@thatoneguy9291 Not only that look at it at a lore stand point, imagine growing up, hearing that ONI released footage of Spartan-II's, figures, posters, progaganda to keep moral going, you join up, survive and you get asked to be a SPARTAN. It's pretty much "Be a hero!", in comics it's "Join the Justice League" or "Join the avengers!". Who in their right mind would turn down being a Spartan? (Apart from Buck the first time).
Crimson Knyght exactly
I can see the meta stability of the S4's augmentations being an intentional bug on behalf of ONI to ensure that spartan deserters don't become a thorn in the UNSC by limiting their operational utility outside of the UNSC without their support.
These alterations seem oddly similar to the Space marine creation in the Warhammer 40k universe. Both are way cool. It's just fascinating to see that cybernetics are a staple of top tier science fiction soldiers.
I love Warhammer but a majority of enhancements just feel like "much geneseed". Halo is a bit more grounded in science.
I wish a lot of people would get off the anti-S-IV train and just take the program for what it is: the original goal of the Orion Project. I always maintain to this day that the only real issue with them is their writing, seeing as how it is rare that people accurately depict the military and how it and it's people actually works any way. They just wanted to depict S-IVs as more human in their personalities, but rather came off as being too immature and unprofessional to ever actually achieve their title and status by even real world standards.
Yes. The S-IIs are the most successful generation. But, there is absolutely no need to have this fixation willing kidnapping and producing child soldiers.
In all fairness, they did fix the professionalism problem with Osiris, they just forgot to add any personality in its place. Crimson, the team you play as in Spartan Ops, is also pretty good, since they're constantly fixing Majestic's screw ups.
What idiot thought the name Majestic was a good idea anyway?
Listening to this as I work on schoolwork.
:) Smokeyranger aswell
Chemistry specifically XD
I enjoy these breakdowns. Learn so much that I didn't know
Same
27:18 Okay, I noticed an error :(
Telomerase is the enzyme that extends the telomeres in existing cells, mostly gametes, and isn't really active much, if at all in non-cancerous somatic cells. Its the *telomeres* that are slowly eroded after each copying, not the telomerase.
Telomere = DNA sequence at the 3' ends of your chromosomes that is there because each copy can't copy the whole thing, and is basically there to protect against copy degradation.
Telomerase = enzyme that extends the telomere.
Massive difference. Also, the chromosome with 4 red areas as "telomeres" is just wrong, as there are only two ends to the chromosome, which is where the telomeres are, which you should've noticed that given it wasn't like that in the original image.
What are the Forerunners' equivalent of super soldiers like the UNSC's Spartans and how strong were they and what level of Combat skins did they wear?
Thor's Hammer Prometheans would be the forerunner equivalent. Warrior servants and various sentinels would be the common soldiers.
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What kind of Combat skins did these warriors wear? I heard the highest level of Combat skins were level 18. I guess they wear something like that.
I’d assume they had the highest level of
Combat skins, if we went by 343 guilty sparks rating in Halo: The Flood. I’d also assume that the warrior-servants of the Forerunners were much stronger. If you went off the strength of the Didact. It’s mentioned in the forerunner trilogy that he is not the strongest, nor the fastest. If that’s the case, they’re much stronger indeed.
@@Seraphim_Belisarius
Makes you wonder how strong they were if Spark's compares MJOLNIR to a level II combat skin then imagine what level 18 or any unofficial experimental armor the Forerunners were developing could do in feats of strength.
@@thorshammer7883 well those Warrior servants would be at least having thousands of years experience in fighting and would have more ability what even a Spartan could barely imagine of, and the didact was about millions years old that makes him literally close to immortality, a Spartan in that case are highly inferior and only have decades of experience against thousands of years battle experience, and I heard they were able to make super dense materials which are thousands or millions or I don't know billion times durable than steel...so you know what kind of Warrior servants we are taking about........
You should made a video about what augmentations outside of the halo universe you would add to any of the Spartans. If you’ve ever thought if that.
going to second this, but definitely after a Spartan augmentation combo video where we see which ones can be thrown together from different generations and guesses as to the results lol
11:41 Steel is not an element. It is an alloy of iron with a hodgepodge of other stuff depending on the exact steel you want.
Oh be quiet you smartypants. Some people would honestly not even know the difference
@@logankenworthy4457 I knew the difference! 😁
They teach that in school tho
Sorry for being rude. It was not my intention. What I meant is that some people would not catch small stuff like that. I know i didn't untill it was pointed out. Sorry for sounding rude.
@@logankenworthy4457 so why dont you shut up? I appreciate the new information. If you don't wanna know it then just forget it.
So the Spartan 4s are built to fight and survive but not to last under the normal sense of the human existence. My observation is this; the problem with every machine is that they inevitably breakdown. All these augments must have a use life, yet the high level of integration and the cost of up keep would suggest that that post war life is non existent. This is in every way a lifetime commitment. There is effectively no way to separate the man/woman from the machine once the process has started. The excerpt about how the Infinity has a whole deck deticated to just Spartans proves the monitary and industrial commitment to this project. Think about 3.75 miles of space just for just Spartans medical, housing, workout and their gear storage. These volunteers will never go home again and if the do they will die a slow and painful death once the augments break down occurs.
Yeah, I'd rather just be an marine or ODST even if offered to become a spartan. These augmentations seem kinda scary in a way
And this is meant to be the "more humane" version of making a Spartan.
All this augumentations and they could field over one hundred spartans in 3 years? That is kinda weird consider the time a Person would need to adapt and accept to these heavy augumentations and the changes to their body.
Shows how much more advanced UNSC medical technology is. ^^
What about the changes that the Librarian made to Master Chief in Halo 4?
Buck's upgrade is puzzling because of his age.
Return on investment..
Not hearing much about Spartan Loc in the upcoming game...🤣
The cellular immortality aspect would mostly negate his age being a factor since the effects of aging wouldn't force him to retire when a normal person would so his training and experience probably out weighs the age issue due to how much less likely he is to die.
Finally been waiting for this one
These are great while I'm at my machining job, I hope we can get the Mandalorian one of these days
Can you do a video on combat skin?
Yeah a video on forerunner suits/armor and life extension would be super cool. And maybe the ancient human equivalent.
Yes i would love to see tha t most detailed breakdown
@@noneurbisness6521 well the forerunners battle suit was far advanced than the suit used by Ancient humans according to the knowledge we have about them, but the ancient humans fighting weapons and fighting ability was better than forerunners.
I like to believe every Ancient Human was like a Spartan-II, if the Forerunnet at least didn't devolve us the Covenant would had a very, very hard time against an entire army of Demons.
Ancient humans are far superior to spartan 2s. The only reason we got wiped out back then was cause the forerunners were having a temper tantrum that the persecurors choose us over them. They then made things even worse by attacking and killing them and making the grounds for the flood to come into existence
@@quinn8599 I'mean, "average" Ancient Human was like a Spartan-II, I can imagine them having their own super soldiers to fight against Warrior Servants in equal term.
@@alexisbaz8746 their below average guy was probably spartan 2 guy. Like ancient humanity was fucking craaazy. If we were being chosen to take the mantle of leaders of the universe we had to have been packing some SERIOUS heat. Fucl the ancient forerunners-
@@quinn8599 Considering Arcaeo-Hominae held the Forerunners on a planet with no hope of winning for several decades on Charum Hakkor, I'm pretty sure a Spartan-II would be seen as an invalid to even the average civilian of the Ancient Human Empire.
Spartan-III’s will always be my favorite. The perfect balance between 2’s and 4’s. They also went into combat scenarios that had practically zero percent survivability but went in guns blazing
Indeed the middle child of the halo spartan family.
I love this video. After watching all three, the Spartan 4s are actually more interesting in their augmentations because of the advancements made overtime. While the power factor in others are way cooler and interesting, as is the other augmentations nuerally and physically, these are smaller and more advanced and less noticeable yet very interesting
They have already done tests in utilizing graphene to strengthen bone support instead of the more currently used titanium with great success.
23:40 Spartan IV have been genetically conditioned to not wear their helmets most of the time....🤣
astartes style
Yeah but an Astartes’ head is as hard a as the helmet a IV should be wearing
@@triggeredbirb3903 nah
@@michaelhamar3305 They can shrug off a las round to the head, so yes.
Has there been any genetic adaptions to the general populous of humanity making the baseline human more effective in combat than modern day humans? Obviously you cant reasonably genetically adapt a species to have carbon-diamond-titanium tube bones but maybe making adaptions to red blood cell coubt or muscle fibre density? That would make sense to covertly adapt the population so that the people who enlist in the military can hit harder on average than we can today.
Oh, the 4’s are still amazing no doubt. Even with needing. More advanced armor to take up the gap in their inferiority. 4’s still would never best 2’s in equal numbers. The 2’s have far more practical, and hard core combat experience than the 4’s will ever have. And the 2’a have heavy experience against humans and covenant. They will always win in equal, or slightly against them combat. Buck was right they are demigods, the 2’s are God’s, of war.
That's kinda the point of the IV's though. Yeah, they're inferior, but they're cheaper and easier to make. To quote Josef Stalin: "Quantity has a quality all it's own."
It may take a hundred IV's to down a II, but they can replace those losses much easier than the II's could if they were still recruiting.
the Spartan IVs didnt ask for this...wait... you got Deus Ex in my Halo
I believed it to be somewhat contextually relevant.
@@Installation00 oh I wholeheartedly agree. There is a bunch of overlap between those franchises with respect to the augmentation of human bodies, just with Deus Ex focusing a lot heavier on it. I was just memeing a dialogue bit from Human Revolution
@@Installation00 Ilsa Zane just needs to get laid.
When 2020 is over and I become Canada's Apocalyptic Supreme Warlord, I will offer you the Minister of Science position in my cabinet. Comes with a Northern test area and a tropical vacation paradise.
Will all canda become a tropical paradise after the nuclear war raise global temperatures?
@@biglenin7306 most of northern Canada will become tropical and be renamed CariboCanada. Moose will also double in size, beavers will become Carnivorous and be more closely related to Panthers. I will be riding a battle moose into war and have 4 combat beavers trained in close protection and assassination.
No joke, I legit have a guy who would sign up for a Spartan program... he'd go renegade five seconds later and run back to the US, but at least you'd know the process works.
One thing you haven't mentioned but could be added as a side note, is the enhancement with synthesis progestative or hormonal implants to prevent female soldier to suffer their periods. (What real life female soldiers perform as self medication in combat theaters as of today)
I always was curious on why ONI doesn't simply clone new Spartans to suit their needs. If I understand correctly, flash cloning was incredible unreliable which lead them to abducting children in the first place. Do you think now that Cortana is linked to the domain that she could create cloned soldiers for her army?
"Spartans without armor", imagine a being like that being given the fractal-scaled strength/speed of GEN-1(3?) armor.
Imagine being an Elite?
I don't think the bones were lengthened using the process of breaking the bones, the halopedia states subjects undergo treatment to induce bone and muscle growth. It would be kinda dumb and use up resources just to make Spartans taller just by making their arms and legs longer.
I believe the skeleton undergoes some growth proportionally to the increase in height since in some cutscenes they appear scaled up, most notably the head seems bigger when standing next to someone unaugmented.
Overall I think spartan IV augmentations are good enough and better in some aspects, the issue with spartan IV's is the discipline.
I think the recruitment process should be changed in some way, maybe select people who are colder and logical of temperament. Another ethical way would be to set up a Spartan academy where all parties involved give consent ( parents, the aspirants themselves e.t.c. Let's say training starts at 14 -15 and those who don't make the cut are sent off to other UNSC branches. The training would be brutal, and in the end you'd end up with highly trained and disciplined Spartans.
Basically use the lure of possibly becoming Spartans to drive up recruitment, those who don't make it might still make excellent soldiers. The candidates who do make the cut start Spartan augmentations at 18 and by the time they're 24 - 25 when the body has fully matured and adapted to all the surgeries they get deployed.
I’ve been reading all the halo books in chronological order. Currently, I’m at the end of the Kilo-Five trilogy, Halo: Mortal Dictata. Spartan IV’s have been mentioned, but their augmentations, not so much. Is there a future book that goes in depth about it?
Spartan Field Manual mentions them. Also you can read the Halopedia page
That One Guy Thanks, man.
i know they are supposed to be less powerful but wow, that is some serious augmentations. Waiting for the augmentation combo video now! Thank you so much for these.
Makes me wonder how on earth the older inductees survived them
The "less powerful" stuff was a blatantly a later retcon IMO. There was no mention of it anywhere in the initial lore about S-IV and it only started creeping in, in some of the later crap.
Frankly, the augmentations as actually described are more invasive, extensive, and far reaching then ANYTHING described on the S-IIs. Without the stupid authorial fiat that the S-IIs must be the most specialist of snowflakes despite being nearly 40 year old "technology" now, by any sane and reasoned accounting of the acutal described augmentations of both the S-IVs are drastically more advanced with a much wider ranged of augmented capabilities. About the only area you could kind of buy the S-II being better is raw physical strength, since the use of still growing subjects seems to have resulted in somewhat larger stature on average.
But this idea that the S-IV are generally just worse then S-II is simply dumb and completely at odds with the acutal laundary list of of augmentations described for them that the S-IIs have absolutely no confirmed equivalence for.
@@Tk3997 I mean it’s pretty self explanatory buck even said it himself they aren’t as powerful as the 2s and 3s which is a fact idk why you so upset he stating a fact the other stuff you said was based on opinions
I think Spartan 3s were the best when it came to gorilla warfare n spending months behind enemy lines with less than optimum gear
I suspect that Spartan-IVs were made so 'maintenance intensive' was so they could be more easily controlled by UNSC. Since Spartans were originally created to keep the "peasants in line". The 'Leadership' of UNSC apparently is rather paranoid, and seeks to ensure they could control their soldiers; so all they have to do is withhold maintenance, and the Spartan-IV will inevitably keel over dead...
Im curious if the surviving Spartan IIs and IIIs were given the newer enhancements the IVs got but didn't have originally.
Spartan 2’s are already at peak performance. Only newer armour will benefit them
@@TheGeechman but there's enhancements that the IVs have that are brand new and werent given to the IIs originally like the lungs, heart and gut stuff. I wondering if they eventually got that.
@@dasovietunion3370 probably not, remember its really really hard to try and tamper or "improve" on the generation 2 spartans because they are already at their peak, the most i could ever see them getting from the 4s superior biology arsenal of medical stuff is having their organs being able to be grown again and replace the previous one if need be
Well you initially made one incorrect statement Spartan twos were kidnapped Spartan threes for volunteer refugee children from destroyed worlds that the Covenant had glassed or attacked
The S'-IVs require upkeep and maintenance from the UNSC, I think this is also to keep them from going rogue.
Ever see Bourne movies...they don't actually need those pills anymore..
@@brockwilkie6022 And thus the regimentation of said pills; same way tier one operatives and deep cover agents in intelligence get the posh yet regimented R&R and debriefing sessions after they complete their operations, have the absolute best but for the love of god find a means to put them on a hardened leash else they find they want to do what you don't want to and give you the bird once they decide they don't want to be beholden to you anymore...
Tyvern Overlord right. Even the illusion of belief is enough to maintain control
I see you in there Mass Effect 2 cinematic
is a gen3 video in the raster?
I sat down 2 minutes ago and somehow this video is already over? I don’t know how you do it but you somehow make 40 minutes feel like no time at all, you should be a teacher if you’re not already
Now all that’s left is the Orion Candidates’ augmentations.
It's a common theory that ONI made up Spartan-IVs always needing maintenance to keep them on a tighter leash. Not an impossible theory but there's a ton of information that suggests otherwise. We often saw Spartan-IVs operating on their own without support for extended periods even before the Created and Banished Conflicts. Why would ONI allow this if they wanted to keep the Spartan-IVs under heavy control? Part of what makes Spartans or any spec-op so effective is their autonomy, taking that away would severely limit their effectiveness as supersoldiers. Which is a big deal considering Spartan-IVs are meant to be a critical tool of defense in case another Covenant War kicked off. I have a much simpler theory that's supported by the lore.
The MJOLNIR Recruit armor is apparently designed to help newly inducted S-IVs deal with the strain and duress they experience post augmentation. In fact, every new S-IV is required to wear the Recruit armor until they "demonstrate mastery over their many augmentations." This wording suggest that whether or not a Spartan-IV requires maintenance depends on their experience.
As shown in the video S-IVs undergo very heavy augmentation so it places a great deal of strain on their bodies. Due to their bodies being past the developmental stages it takes longer for the S-IV's bodies to fully accept or bond with their augmentations, so they require periodic tune-ups to make sure nothing goes wrong. The Recruit armor is designed to assist in this process and ease the burdern. As the operator gains more experience they get more powerful less dependent on periodic maintenance to the point where it may not even be necessary, thus affording them greater autonomy. This would explain why we often see Spartan-IVs operating for long periods of time without support. It should be noted that Spartan-IIs also apparently require augmentation maintenance.
Love how they fight all fast in opening but they move like a turtle in the fight with Locke and MC
I know this vid is a couple years old and Infinite wasn't out yet, but since the spartan 4s,"...need constant 'tune-ups' to ensure nothing goes wrong with their bodies," (Quoting the wiki on 4s augs)Then how is spartan Dinh capable of,"... surviving for long periods alone in the field..."? Quoting the wiki page on the character.
Do an episode where you cherry-pick all the best augmentations from each generation to create the ultimate Spartan.
Just a thought i have, xenomorphs as well can survive space, possibly longer than spartan foura can, but the question is for how long. Also, does their lung tissue allow them a similar mechanic?
Actually the spartan 3 children signed up voluntarily because they were angry at the covenant for destroying their homes and families.
Each time I watch your most detailed breakdown of Spartans I get more and more envious, jealous, and resentful that there is no way for me to achieve the heights that a spartan can.
In all fairness, you're odds of being accepted into the Spartan IV's would be pretty slim, so your odds wouldn't be much better if you were in Halo. Also, you would've had to survive the Human-Covenant War...
That’s what makes them special tho, you know they’re supposed to be beyond natural capabilities so no shame
How long can a Spartan IV candidate become an actual spartan ready for active duty? Considering the multiple augmentation procedures, stages of healing, additional modifications again healing from these modifications then training and re-orienting with their new bodies and armor.
Well considering that they've already got around a thousand S-IV's ready to go, I'd say it doesn't take long.
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I imagine some of the spartan IVs augmentations would be rejected by their bodies to a degree were they not to receive medical maintenance after a certain amount of time which is interesting ethically and strategically, you're creating soldiers that rely on highly specialised maintenance that may not always be available.
So i have a couple points, where i think there may be missing lore, and i wanted to bounce a couple thoughts off of you.
Firstly comes the lengthening of the bones. Bucks in armor height is approx 6'10, with the armor adding about 3 or 4 inches in height. So buck went from 6'2 to about 6'5/6'6.
Surgical distraction osteogenesis seems a bit of an intensive procedure to grow only a few inches. (and wouldn't that leave said Spartan IVs with some rather unusual proportions unless they altered virtually every bone in the body?).
Do you think it would be more/less likely that the growth would be induced chemically? Such as by repopulating the cartilage in the epiphysial plate, then using growth hormone to induce a final growth spurt. It seems to me a much less invasive procedure and more likely justifiable on a risk/reward basis, given the only modest height increase of S-IV candidates.
My 2nd and final question refers to a piece of lore added in the official spartan field manual. It states (from memory) that candidates muscles are woven through with synthetic fibres, using similar if not the same technology used in MJOLNIR's polymuscle layer. Additionally Spartan Palmer her muscles were coated with a synthetic compound that granted her her enhanced strength. Do you think the aforementioned methods could be what the lore actually referred to in terms of muscle grafting?
Just wanted to get your thoughts on those two theories as the former has bugged me for quite some time, the lore on project ORCHID can be somewhat contradictory at times
What was the reasoning behind ditching the Spartan III enhancements?
It was cheaper, chemical based, and the safety of the augmentations was quickly improving from all the children they were shoving into the grinder to be Spartans.
There's no real reason to ditch all that effort, in fact the Spartan III enhancements would have increased safety and survival rate for undergoing Spartan II augmentations.
It's just... congratulations, you've made a wider set of enhancements and thrown all that prior research and invested money out the window.
Hell, there's no reason you couldn't put the Spartan IV enhancements onto the Spartan III enhancements, further increasing survival for Spartan II enhancements.
In addition, the necessity of continuous 'maintenance' of the augmentations is a waste of time and resources, let alone the logistical nightmare of giving them treatment when they retire.
They are needs children to make them at post war era people would not tolerate children to round up again, while IV program you just need recycle veterans from special force like odst or seeks promising new recruit from unsc stocks.
I think one topic people usually don't focus over is the "side effects". Just like the side effects our normal medicines may or may not have. As such, the general view among the fandom regarding the Spartan II's "reduced sex drive" is over exaggerated in my opinion. Some may DEFINITELY have those side effects, but it most likely doesn't translate to every single Spartan- II in my opinion.
The Catalytic Thyroid Implant's risk is mentioned as "Rare instances of Elephantiasis- Suppressed Sexual Drive" which clearly suggests that this is a rare risk, much like the risk of bone privatisation due to skeletal enhancements.
I'm going to pretend that I understand this technobabble.
I'm pretty sure most of us are.
Too bad for y’all.
Hey man big fan and I love the content just wondering if you can please do a most detailed breakdown of the UNSC INFINITY?
I don't know why but the Spartan 4 program rubs me the wrong way somehow to the point I don't like them.
I don't know if it's because they seem so undisciplined or not very former and stoic like the IIs and IIIs were or it's just because they don't really seem to fit very well as the definition of super soldiers in Halo very well. I don't know I just don't like them for some reason. Maybe one them could be because they seem to be so smug compared to the old Spartans.
Part of a Spartans II and IIIs indoctrination is to survive 15 atomic wedgies during training. They took that our for the IV's. It's made them a bunch of whining Gen Z's. LOL
It’s the environment they were created and trained in. They weren’t created as some war-time endgame. They have no reason to be so stoic because most haven’t needed to go through the same hardships as other Spartans have, hence their lighthearted banter. They aren’t as serious because the situations don’t call for it nearly as much.
Also 343 is bad at representing them. They should actually be better than the previous generations if we’re going by stats. They have better tech and more advanced training that’s been updated with analysis from the other generations. People don’t like them because they’ve been portrayed as TOO immature and undisciplined.
Mentally refer to them as Athenians and it might help. Keeps the Greek theming, but acknowledges that while they can have equal performance to a Spartan II/III, they do it in a different way. Like how Athenians of Ancient Greece were unparalleled in Greece with their navy.
Something a lot of fans possibly including you, don’t understand is that the 2’s and 3’s had not childhoods, they have no sense of humor, they were trained, augmented and most importantly indoctrinated as children. It’s why they are so robotic and emotionless. The 4’s had childhoods, they weren’t indoctrinated as children, they grew and matured like normal human children and adults which is why they know how to express and feel. They understand humor, they were normal people which is why they joke because I’m sure you know normal people joke
JBear Antonicic exactly. It’s all about circumstances, but people are too fixated on their origins and not how effective their potential is on the field.
Can you do a video on ORION project procedures?
A question you missed. Do spartan 4 have an enhanced mating urge?
Well considering in spartan ops when we saw those two spartans hitting on Palmer I could imagine that they aren’t like the 2s and actually have sexual tendencies
Did you use video clips from mass effect 2?!?!??! Lol
Not to mention, chief hasn't fallen more than once unconscious other than Halo 3, He fell through the atmosphere of requiem after get torn away from the dawn, though he did have ship parts to break his fall somewhat at the start, shortly after he was knocked unconscious and there for wouldn't able to maintain control in flight. Safe to say a spartan can fall a pretty good amount of distance even it's from space straight to the surface of a planet.
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I always love your intros and endings
Ya know with this out there you'd think a crazy scientist would see what they done In halo and think "challenge accepted"
I honestly don't see why IVs get the hate that they do. Aside from One female Spartan, I found IV's to be pretty cool. Maybe it's because I like the rest of you losers, I've come to grips with the reality that should Spartan Program ever get a real world counterpart, I'm obviously too old to be a II or III, and IV is my best bet.
To be fair, Fireteam Majestic was a bit of a slap in the face with their antics. Granted they weren't nearly as bad as most people think, but they certainly weren't the best way to introduce the new generation, Osiris would have been better.
Technically spartan IIIs were given the choice to become Spartans or go back to being war orphans.
Not a wasted word.
Does any body ever think maybe he’s just making up words
No, not really.
Nah
Nope
Damn cool detailed video it also makes me wonder if we'll learn more about the mutation that the vhief received from the librarian in halo 4 during halo infinite as theres no further mention during the rest of halo 4 or 5 so im curios what exactly do you think happened in terms of his physical capabilities
6:57: well you’ve probably been demonetised
I thought spartan II's were the one who got kidnapped as children and spartan III's were children and teens who were given the option to join due to them seeing first hand there home and family dying by the covenant?
Technically the IIIs were kidnapped. They simply had the choice to leave when they got to onyx. Also no IIIs started off as teens, the oldest known conscript was Carter who was 11
Fun fact, Buck indirectly admitted SPARTAN IIIs are better than SPARTAN IIs.
He stated the IIIs were gods compared to the Titans. Like how in Greek mythology the titans were the peak, however some gods would rise far above them. He was complementing their potential. However I do agree they are nearly dead even
@@grantg1598 Well actually the Olympians defeated the Titians most oddly assume the Titians were more powerful.
Well didn't the olympians putsmart the titans? But i think the iis received more education than the iiis. But i personally think that a spartan iii cat 2 from gamma in mjolnir gen 2 would be far stronger than a ii if they had equal battlefield experience. You just need to make sure they get thier drugs or your ginna have a very bad time.
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Wait gray team (The ones featured in The Cole Protocol)is still alive? I thought they were murdered by the didact in a commic.
Or was that Black team?
yeah, that was black team
The opening scene of the Spartans doing their dirty work I think is the most badass scene of all time!
I would have just augmented ODSTs with non-invasive, chemical Spartan 1 augmentations and given them SPI armor. Cheaper and quicker than making Spartan 4's.
augmenting the bones can not be a pleasant experience
forerunner armor maybe
so I have a question, whats the benefit of making spartans taller (I get that it looks cool)? making spartans taller means that the UNSC must produce larger weapons, seats, cups etc to fit larger bodies. this seems like huge issue. or am I way off? would love a in-depth video on this.
Off the top of the head, more space for the muscle to be added on, bigger is better for the most part for greater mass in close combat. These guys literally go hand to hand with elites and brutes so evening things up make sense. Also more room for those new organs. Lung and heart copacity would increase as well
Because elite's are bigger....
9:36 It is stated in the spartan field manual on page 25 in regards to the skeletal reengineering series that aside from the skeletal fullerene lattice, titanium-A and composite sheathing is also employed to strengthen the spartan 4's bones.
for the last part it almost sounds like spartan 4s are gm crops with all the specific fertilisers and pesticides
i wish we knew how much it enhanced their strength. we know they weight around 290 pounds so a multiplication of 2 would put them at about 600. but with gen 3 armor even at maximum 10x (which is roughly the max we know spartan 2s can handle multiplication) then they would put them still weaker than just gen 2 armor. by this logic they need to atleast be able to lift more than that. assuming it mulplies by 2.5x then even at 10x strength they can only roughly hold 3.5 tons. which makes them marginally stronger than gen 2. overall if we go with 800 pounds out of armor a multiplication of 10x would make them lift 4 tons. which would be roughly 12.5-20% at most increase in strength wearing gen 3. since we know gen 3 uses gen 1 style of muscles enhancements
I really hope 343 expand on every bit because this stuff really sells games for fan bases
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Jeez, I did my PhD in axonal development, but it’s been years since I did that work. This video was a solid yet unexpected refresher 😂
Well done on doing your homework on the science here