This reminds me of why I want to move out from my parents house. This is all media that my dad grew up with, and the thing is he doesn't even realize his behavior is sexist. He's just literally mirroring the generation and society he grew up in. The only real way it's gonna click is for me to move out and distance myself.
Snow White and Sleeping Beauty, they were poisoned and/or cursed and were literally about to die or otherwise be in a permanantly comatose state. Yes, its dumb fairy tale logic, but the point is you're arguing consent in a life-threatining situation. Like a woman sueing a lifeguard for rape after performing CPR after she was drowning. Because that did actually happen. However, the point does stand in the rest of the video.
Agreed! I thought the cartoons were bad examples. There was already an established relationship in both scenarios, as in Snow White he believed her to be dead and was kissing her goodbye. That is hardly an example of sexual assault!
There was good examples here. But honestly I am shocked at the debasement displayed towards women in the form of entertainment. I rarely those examples discussed in these kinds of videos.
Some of this is a stretch - but some of it isn't. The development of respect for consent is something very real in our culture and it's still in it's teen-years.
I agree with you. I don't think the Walt Disney cartoons fit in with the rest of your examples though, the notebook also seemed kind of silly writing instead of assault, he was actaully pretty respectful of her boundaries in the film. I also find that films entertain the audience with sexually debasing women. I was appalled to find movie clips on RUclips with this issue. The movie "Blade Runner" and the series "girls" basically normalizes sexual abuse. They are shows I will never watch because of that. Maybe you could do a segment about that? Good video!
I find it surprising you could say that if you watched the notebook and Disney clips. The fantasy of kissing an unconscious woman to make her fall for you is absolutely rape culture. What scenes were you think of in girls specifically?
I don't really think those cartoons were good examples. I could go into reasons why, but the bottom line is I think there are other examples that should have been included in this segment instead of the cartoons.
Dude, have you ever watched the movie. She would go to sleep forever if she wasn't kissed. Idk man if I was in that situation I would like to be kissed asap.
That scene from Grease was always disgusting to me. She wasn't giving him any "signals" and she clearly didn't like what he was doing when he started, she was screaming and telling him to stop but he kept going. He tried to rape her in public in a car and after she ran away he sang a sad song about how his heart is broken.
I just wish teachers would show this video to high schoolers everywhere. I couldn’t even list all the times I’ve seen or heard a rape joke in movies, music, etc
I agree with everything except Grease (with caveats): The scene in the car is clearly about a misunderstanding and fundamental personality/cultural difference between two people. He's not trying to assault her. He initially thinks she's into it, then he thinks her concern is people seeing, then she gives a clear indication to get off so he does. He then thinks her refusal is because she's not into him because, in his world, if you're into someone your physical intimacy is pretty much immediate while in hers, you might wait until marriage. He doesn't even act mad about what happened. He clearly acts confused. He's a moron throughout the whole movie so the fact that he was a moron in this scene shouldn't be too shocking. Honestly, I think if John Travolta had acted this scene differently (as in acting mad or seeming more manipulative, rather than like a bumbling idiot), it could have easily passed into the realm of portraying SA. I agree completely that sexist conversations are disgusting and promote said sexism but I think the particular line about putting up a fight was more in reference to the idea of a woman playing coy (see Bill Burr's "No" means "No") and not intended to promote the idea of actual SA. I don't necessarily think what was said in that song crossed the line into sexism... I think it just showed the male's focus on physical aspects and female's focus on romantic aspects.
I think you accidentally hit the nail on the head. That is rape culture. The acceptance that a girl’s first no is probably not a real no. Or the second one either. Rape culture is how so many men can be guilty of coercion and assault without meaning to. A lot of disgusting behavior is excused because a guy didn’t “mean to”. Rape culture is the acceptance that this exists and is okay. That girls have to act accordingly and men can do whatever. Women and girls having all the responsibility, with men and boys not having any. We all deserve a world where males are held accountable, so that they can learn, and so they can understand empathy. All genders would benefit from that
@@Hollyh666 Having reasonable excuses for men's behavior is not rape culture. Rape culture is when women are blamed for rape. It's when women are punished or ostracized for being raped. It's when they're killed for being raped. It's when the men aren't held accountable at all. No one ever says a girl's first no is not a real no. They say it's often a weak no which can be easily misconstrued in a sexual situation where tension is heightened and the brain isn't exactly functioning as well as it should. And many guys are notoriously bad at reading subtle signals. And, yes, a first no can very well be subtle or at least seem subtle to a male brain. And, yes, sometimes a first no is more of a "I don't want to seem easy" no. It's not possible for someone to be convicted of a crime when they don't actually have the intent to commit that crime. In this scene, he is clearly portrayed as ignorant that she doesn't want to engage in sexual activity and actually means "no" and he stops when she makes it clear by pushing him away and saying "get off of me". There's no way in hell she would be able to push him off her if he wasn't willing to get off her given their size differences. Keep in mind this scene takes about 7 seconds, as well. As for the "coercive" language mentioned in the video... I don't know how weak-minded you would have to be influenced by what he said into giving him what he wanted. I just saw it as him misunderstanding her concerns and communicating his confusion. TLDR: None of these are excuses for r*pe or SA. They're just an analysis of a scene and the reality of what happens in the beginnings of sexual interactions. There's always room for improvement but we should be cognizant that this was a movie from 45 years ago. Things have already changed a lot. This scene wouldn't be portrayed like this in movies anymore anyway.
@@Haylla2008 Rape culture isn’t one singular thing. It’s everything you said and more. The cultural aspect is where it becomes subtleties, attitudes, perspectives within our society etc. I’m saying male ignorance is harmful for everyone. No, he wasn’t intending to do anything she didn’t want to. He wasn’t trying to rape or assault her. That doesn’t mean putting her in a position where she has to become physical to to get away is okay. And this does happen today. Guys often think the first No is just to not come off easy etc. But a weak no is still a no. Pushing beyond that is when it becomes coercion. In that situation a woman has to either become afraid and distressed enough to become physical and push them away, or she in the moment gets swayed because she mentally doesn’t want to (maybe because of not wanting to come off as easy, maybe because she wants to think about it more, no matter what the reason it’s still valid. If she mentally doesn’t want to, she doesn’t want to) and she gives in because her body is experiencing pleasure. Then she often regrets it the next day. That shame and regret that came from the experience could have been avoided if her first No was listened to. There should be no place for gray areas, or for convincing somebody in sex. No, that it isn’t rape or assault but it’s still coercive and ends with someone feeling badly. I’m saying society should be teaching men to listen to women’s first No and have consent actively on their mind. A part of rape culture is our media normalizing that girls say no a couple of times before they say yes. That shouldn’t be normalized. Most guys that do that aren’t trying to hurt anyone, they just think that’s what happens. That narrative is harmful for everyone and shouldn’t be made light of in comedies, joked about, or put in romance movies that make it look normal or romantic even. Film and media makes persistence out to be attractive, and women saying no not something to be taking seriously. People watching think that’s the real world then and that’s how people actually feel, boys grow up thinking going after someone over and over that keeps saying no is romantic. Micro aggressions are important because they add up together to create the attitude/outlook of the society we live in. All of this adds together to create a society that doesn’t want to believe a woman who was raped was actually raped, that the word “no” is not enough evidence, and that the perpetrator probably didn’t mean to. We’re on the same side here, we both think rape culture is awful and don’t think Dany from Grease was trying to hurt Sandy. All I’m saying is it’s a problem within our society and our media that creates situations like that. Guys who think it’s just a weak no they don’t mean and stop when they get pushed away, are not wanting to assault a girl. But that girl still felt scared, overpowered, and vulnerable. Having to physically get a guy off you to believe you don’t want it is a problem. Doesn’t mean the guy is evil, several things can be true at once. Rape culture is everything you said, but those actualities exist because of all the subtitles, notions, and misinformation people have about the little things. Big problems exist bc the little ones added up and came together.
@@Hollyh666 "Rape culture isn’t one singular thing. It’s everything you said and more." The U.S. does not have a rape culture. The law in the U.S. is set up to punish rapists. The culture at large believes the woman is not at fault for her rape, they believe consent is required from both parties, and they believe rape to be abhorrent. That doesn't sound like a culture of rape to me. That sounds like rapists exist despite the culture they exist in because, unsurprisingly, anti-social personalities don't much care about morality or laws. "That doesn’t mean putting her in a position where she has to become physical to to get away is okay." It's not okay. But it's also not SA. It's uncomfortable for her (perhaps) but not SA. She's not actually uncomfortable about it in the movie. She's angry. Again, not because it's SA but because she believes he's treating her as cheap/easy. "Pushing beyond that is when it becomes coercion." Coercion is the act of using threats or force to get a desired result. What happened to Sandy is not coercion. What you just described in your post is not coercion. Coercion should not be confused with persuasion. (Again, not what I think Danny was doing, either.) Can persuasion be slimy? Sure. But not always. And, again, the person on the other side of it still has the option to refuse without negative outcomes. If they don't, then it becomes coercion. But we both agree that actual coercion is wrong and it would constitute SA/rape if it was involved. "In that situation a woman has to either become afraid and distressed enough to become physical and push them away, or she in the moment gets swayed because she mentally doesn’t want to[...] It doesn't matter her reasoning for not saying "no" (unless actual coercion has already occurred). A woman has just as much responsibility to communicate effectively as the man does to try to understand that communication effectively. Men cannot read minds. Some of them can barely read body language. Some of them can't read subtle verbal tones very well, either. That's why women have to be more firm in their "no's" for men to get the point. I don't think that's unfair to ask for. I would consider it completely unfair to a woman to cry "rape" just because she regretted not stopping the sex that she didn't make clear she didn't want. Regret really sucks but it doesn't make it the man's fault. It's a feeling that is a signal for the regretful person to learn from so that they don't have to feel that way again. But maybe I misunderstood what you meant here because, unlike the rest of your post, this argument seems completely unreasonable. "A part of rape culture is our media normalizing that girls say no a couple of times before they say yes." Girls do do this. I know because IVE done this. It happens all the time. Don't make the mistake of thinking just because you don't that it isn't common or doesn't happen at all. "Film and media makes persistence out to be attractive" It is attractive when you're interested in the person doing it. It isn't when you're not. This is just how the world works. Most people want to be pursued by people they find attractive. In the media this happens in, the woman is almost always already interested but in denial about it, or has a love/hate thing going on. It's never a "I'm actually really not interested and I don't find this person attractive but all of a sudden I've changed my mind." The only "problematic" thing here (usually) is when the audience doesn't realize that the behavior is only okay because she's actually interested. And that's a comprehension problem, not a rape culture problem.
How come you only added scenes of potential female victims? '40 days and 40 nights' is a rare example of a guy got R-worded by his ex-girlfriend while he was sleeping.
That’s such an unfair argument, everyone knows murder is bad, it’s the baseline. Plus people don’t just commit murder on the daily, and when it happens people treat it as the terrible crime it is, the perpetrator is held accountable. People don’t justify the actions of Jason from Friday the 13th, he’s a PSYCHO, someone who is unwell and he is treated as such. And whenever a murderer is portrayed in the media, the murder always shows signs of mental illness, or an indicator that they clearly aren’t a well functioning person. Those around him fear for their lives. Rape and sexual harassment on the other hand are subjective, yes some people know it’s bad, but many people also believe that it’s not a big deal. Rape and sexual harassment DO happen on a daily, and people ARE just casually doing it. These people are usually never held accountable, and sometimes their actions are even justified. Victims on the other hand are either blamed for what happened to them or told that it’s just “men being men”. Rape culture in media further normalizes the behavior, because the people committing the actions are portrayed as regular members of society. They aren’t portrayed as psychos, but as regular people. The characters around them, either are shown as indifferent about the violation, or treat it as some joke. Additionally, in murder films the actions are negative, the families and victims clearly suffer from the actions of the murderer, where as in rape culture the action is usually depicted as positive because it is shown that the victim liked it and asked for it (which is unrealistic)
You missed the point of the Superbad clip. They're not glorifying rape culture. Its a satirical take on the trope in teen movies. It's their way of criticizing it. Towards the ending of the film Evan refuses to have sex with a barely conscious girl. He is shown to hahr done the legal, and right thing to do. Seth embodies the sexist male and represents him as a fat, sexually perverted, vulgar individual. Whereas Evan who isn't into the idea of having sex with drunk girls is seen as right.
Right off the bat your hyphenated name alone tells me everything I need to know about how you look at the world and how you vote, but I’ll still play along. Some of what you showed was not cool and I would never do that, especially if alcohol was involved to the point of passing out. But those are movies and anyone who takes them seriously needs to get a life. There is actual sexual assault and then there is what people like you have redefined as sexual assault since barry was in office. An uninvited kiss is NOT sexual assault whether from a guy or girl. Is someone supposed to ask permission to be romantic and make the first move ? Are they expected to say excuse me, I would like to kiss you. Would that be legally acceptable to you? No you move in slowly and if a sober and conscious he or she doesn’t turn away or push you off and kisses you back, than that is consent. If they do, that’s it. It’s done. Walk away. Also, talking about sex, even sex without consent is NOT sexual assault and does not make it wrong to show in films. That’s why we have a rating system on films. And the speech issue applies in a movie, but even in real life. If simply talking about it, even in strong terms is not allowed, then you are violating free speech and saying words hurt you. Sticks and stones . Remember ? My first kiss from the opposite sex was from someone I started dating and was without my verbal consent. Do you think I felt sexually assaulted ? Nope. It was thrilling ! As it should be. Every first kiss should be ! Stop trying to take away spontaneity, romance, and even simple human desire. Focus on the real victims of sexual assault and the R word and not the FICTIONAL and THEORETICAL victims that don’t exist.
Hahaha you're like 13 that's funny. Someday you'll grow old and watch this comment cringing with regret. Atleast I hope so. Don't worry I was there too
Im a rape survivor. This is spot on.
This song is rape culture as well
i think that’s the point of the inclusion
This reminds me of why I want to move out from my parents house. This is all media that my dad grew up with, and the thing is he doesn't even realize his behavior is sexist. He's just literally mirroring the generation and society he grew up in. The only real way it's gonna click is for me to move out and distance myself.
That's terrible!
Liar.
Snow White and Sleeping Beauty, they were poisoned and/or cursed and were literally about to die or otherwise be in a permanantly comatose state. Yes, its dumb fairy tale logic, but the point is you're arguing consent in a life-threatining situation. Like a woman sueing a lifeguard for rape after performing CPR after she was drowning. Because that did actually happen.
However, the point does stand in the rest of the video.
Exactly
Agreed! I thought the cartoons were bad examples. There was already an established relationship in both scenarios, as in Snow White he believed her to be dead and was kissing her goodbye. That is hardly an example of sexual assault!
Ik right it's not like prince charming was trying to grab her by the 😺
Thank you for this insightful video. I don't wanna remain ignorant to such an obvious problem any longer and you're helping with that
There was good examples here. But honestly I am shocked at the debasement displayed towards women in the form of entertainment. I rarely those examples discussed in these kinds of videos.
Some of this is a stretch - but some of it isn't. The development of respect for consent is something very real in our culture and it's still in it's teen-years.
I agree with you. I don't think the Walt Disney cartoons fit in with the rest of your examples though, the notebook also seemed kind of silly writing instead of assault, he was actaully pretty respectful of her boundaries in the film.
I also find that films entertain the audience with sexually debasing women. I was appalled to find movie clips on RUclips with this issue. The movie "Blade Runner" and the series "girls" basically normalizes sexual abuse. They are shows I will never watch because of that. Maybe you could do a segment about that? Good video!
I find it surprising you could say that if you watched the notebook and Disney clips. The fantasy of kissing an unconscious woman to make her fall for you is absolutely rape culture. What scenes were you think of in girls specifically?
@lumiao1685 if you actually saw Snow White then you are aware he did not kiss her to "make her fall for him." That is incorrect.
I honestly find it so sad, depressing and disgusting that even in children's cartoons this kind of message is common
I don't really think those cartoons were good examples. I could go into reasons why, but the bottom line is I think there are other examples that should have been included in this segment instead of the cartoons.
Dude, have you ever watched the movie. She would go to sleep forever if she wasn't kissed. Idk man if I was in that situation I would like to be kissed asap.
@@Shrukin9000 especially Snow White, it was a kiss goodbye...he was at her funeral after all.
That scene from Grease was always disgusting to me. She wasn't giving him any "signals" and she clearly didn't like what he was doing when he started, she was screaming and telling him to stop but he kept going. He tried to rape her in public in a car and after she ran away he sang a sad song about how his heart is broken.
I loved college humor’s video about this as well
I just wish teachers would show this video to high schoolers everywhere. I couldn’t even list all the times I’ve seen or heard a rape joke in movies, music, etc
Rape is not a funny thing! And it disgusts me that such an act would be considered entertainment.
Yes, but do people actually think that. NO.
@@Shrukin9000 think what? There are too many people apparently that consider that sort of thing entertainment.
@@deborahminter6231 People don't think that rape if it's in real life is funny.
@@Shrukin9000 no except for the people who do think it's funny, who do you think disgusting entertainment is appealing to.
Is is twerking part of it. And they get mad at me for underlying that...
I agree with everything except Grease (with caveats):
The scene in the car is clearly about a misunderstanding and fundamental personality/cultural difference between two people. He's not trying to assault her. He initially thinks she's into it, then he thinks her concern is people seeing, then she gives a clear indication to get off so he does. He then thinks her refusal is because she's not into him because, in his world, if you're into someone your physical intimacy is pretty much immediate while in hers, you might wait until marriage. He doesn't even act mad about what happened. He clearly acts confused. He's a moron throughout the whole movie so the fact that he was a moron in this scene shouldn't be too shocking. Honestly, I think if John Travolta had acted this scene differently (as in acting mad or seeming more manipulative, rather than like a bumbling idiot), it could have easily passed into the realm of portraying SA.
I agree completely that sexist conversations are disgusting and promote said sexism but I think the particular line about putting up a fight was more in reference to the idea of a woman playing coy (see Bill Burr's "No" means "No") and not intended to promote the idea of actual SA. I don't necessarily think what was said in that song crossed the line into sexism... I think it just showed the male's focus on physical aspects and female's focus on romantic aspects.
I love this movie and always will but....ruclips.net/video/-6pjuWqDRDs/видео.html
I think you accidentally hit the nail on the head. That is rape culture. The acceptance that a girl’s first no is probably not a real no. Or the second one either. Rape culture is how so many men can be guilty of coercion and assault without meaning to. A lot of disgusting behavior is excused because a guy didn’t “mean to”. Rape culture is the acceptance that this exists and is okay. That girls have to act accordingly and men can do whatever. Women and girls having all the responsibility, with men and boys not having any. We all deserve a world where males are held accountable, so that they can learn, and so they can understand empathy. All genders would benefit from that
@@Hollyh666 Having reasonable excuses for men's behavior is not rape culture. Rape culture is when women are blamed for rape. It's when women are punished or ostracized for being raped. It's when they're killed for being raped. It's when the men aren't held accountable at all.
No one ever says a girl's first no is not a real no. They say it's often a weak no which can be easily misconstrued in a sexual situation where tension is heightened and the brain isn't exactly functioning as well as it should. And many guys are notoriously bad at reading subtle signals. And, yes, a first no can very well be subtle or at least seem subtle to a male brain. And, yes, sometimes a first no is more of a "I don't want to seem easy" no.
It's not possible for someone to be convicted of a crime when they don't actually have the intent to commit that crime. In this scene, he is clearly portrayed as ignorant that she doesn't want to engage in sexual activity and actually means "no" and he stops when she makes it clear by pushing him away and saying "get off of me". There's no way in hell she would be able to push him off her if he wasn't willing to get off her given their size differences. Keep in mind this scene takes about 7 seconds, as well.
As for the "coercive" language mentioned in the video... I don't know how weak-minded you would have to be influenced by what he said into giving him what he wanted. I just saw it as him misunderstanding her concerns and communicating his confusion.
TLDR: None of these are excuses for r*pe or SA. They're just an analysis of a scene and the reality of what happens in the beginnings of sexual interactions. There's always room for improvement but we should be cognizant that this was a movie from 45 years ago. Things have already changed a lot. This scene wouldn't be portrayed like this in movies anymore anyway.
@@Haylla2008 Rape culture isn’t one singular thing. It’s everything you said and more. The cultural aspect is where it becomes subtleties, attitudes, perspectives within our society etc. I’m saying male ignorance is harmful for everyone. No, he wasn’t intending to do anything she didn’t want to. He wasn’t trying to rape or assault her. That doesn’t mean putting her in a position where she has to become physical to to get away is okay. And this does happen today. Guys often think the first No is just to not come off easy etc. But a weak no is still a no. Pushing beyond that is when it becomes coercion. In that situation a woman has to either become afraid and distressed enough to become physical and push them away, or she in the moment gets swayed because she mentally doesn’t want to (maybe because of not wanting to come off as easy, maybe because she wants to think about it more, no matter what the reason it’s still valid. If she mentally doesn’t want to, she doesn’t want to) and she gives in because her body is experiencing pleasure. Then she often regrets it the next day. That shame and regret that came from the experience could have been avoided if her first No was listened to. There should be no place for gray areas, or for convincing somebody in sex. No, that it isn’t rape or assault but it’s still coercive and ends with someone feeling badly. I’m saying society should be teaching men to listen to women’s first No and have consent actively on their mind. A part of rape culture is our media normalizing that girls say no a couple of times before they say yes. That shouldn’t be normalized. Most guys that do that aren’t trying to hurt anyone, they just think that’s what happens. That narrative is harmful for everyone and shouldn’t be made light of in comedies, joked about, or put in romance movies that make it look normal or romantic even. Film and media makes persistence out to be attractive, and women saying no not something to be taking seriously. People watching think that’s the real world then and that’s how people actually feel, boys grow up thinking going after someone over and over that keeps saying no is romantic. Micro aggressions are important because they add up together to create the attitude/outlook of the society we live in. All of this adds together to create a society that doesn’t want to believe a woman who was raped was actually raped, that the word “no” is not enough evidence, and that the perpetrator probably didn’t mean to. We’re on the same side here, we both think rape culture is awful and don’t think Dany from Grease was trying to hurt Sandy. All I’m saying is it’s a problem within our society and our media that creates situations like that. Guys who think it’s just a weak no they don’t mean and stop when they get pushed away, are not wanting to assault a girl. But that girl still felt scared, overpowered, and vulnerable. Having to physically get a guy off you to believe you don’t want it is a problem. Doesn’t mean the guy is evil, several things can be true at once. Rape culture is everything you said, but those actualities exist because of all the subtitles, notions, and misinformation people have about the little things. Big problems exist bc the little ones added up and came together.
@@Hollyh666
"Rape culture isn’t one singular thing. It’s everything you said and more."
The U.S. does not have a rape culture. The law in the U.S. is set up to punish rapists. The culture at large believes the woman is not at fault for her rape, they believe consent is required from both parties, and they believe rape to be abhorrent. That doesn't sound like a culture of rape to me. That sounds like rapists exist despite the culture they exist in because, unsurprisingly, anti-social personalities don't much care about morality or laws.
"That doesn’t mean putting her in a position where she has to become physical to to get away is okay."
It's not okay. But it's also not SA. It's uncomfortable for her (perhaps) but not SA. She's not actually uncomfortable about it in the movie. She's angry. Again, not because it's SA but because she believes he's treating her as cheap/easy.
"Pushing beyond that is when it becomes coercion."
Coercion is the act of using threats or force to get a desired result. What happened to Sandy is not coercion. What you just described in your post is not coercion. Coercion should not be confused with persuasion. (Again, not what I think Danny was doing, either.) Can persuasion be slimy? Sure. But not always. And, again, the person on the other side of it still has the option to refuse without negative outcomes. If they don't, then it becomes coercion. But we both agree that actual coercion is wrong and it would constitute SA/rape if it was involved.
"In that situation a woman has to either become afraid and distressed enough to become physical and push them away, or she in the moment gets swayed because she mentally doesn’t want to[...]
It doesn't matter her reasoning for not saying "no" (unless actual coercion has already occurred). A woman has just as much responsibility to communicate effectively as the man does to try to understand that communication effectively. Men cannot read minds. Some of them can barely read body language. Some of them can't read subtle verbal tones very well, either. That's why women have to be more firm in their "no's" for men to get the point. I don't think that's unfair to ask for. I would consider it completely unfair to a woman to cry "rape" just because she regretted not stopping the sex that she didn't make clear she didn't want. Regret really sucks but it doesn't make it the man's fault. It's a feeling that is a signal for the regretful person to learn from so that they don't have to feel that way again. But maybe I misunderstood what you meant here because, unlike the rest of your post, this argument seems completely unreasonable.
"A part of rape culture is our media normalizing that girls say no a couple of times before they say yes."
Girls do do this. I know because IVE done this. It happens all the time. Don't make the mistake of thinking just because you don't that it isn't common or doesn't happen at all.
"Film and media makes persistence out to be attractive"
It is attractive when you're interested in the person doing it. It isn't when you're not. This is just how the world works. Most people want to be pursued by people they find attractive. In the media this happens in, the woman is almost always already interested but in denial about it, or has a love/hate thing going on. It's never a "I'm actually really not interested and I don't find this person attractive but all of a sudden I've changed my mind." The only "problematic" thing here (usually) is when the audience doesn't realize that the behavior is only okay because she's actually interested. And that's a comprehension problem, not a rape culture problem.
How come you only added scenes of potential female victims? '40 days and 40 nights' is a rare example of a guy got R-worded by his ex-girlfriend while he was sleeping.
So, does Friday The 13th promote murder?
Some could argue it does! Besides rape is a common enough problem to be ridiculed and condemned instead of celebrated.
@@deborahminter6231 "Celebrated"? And murder ISN'T "common enough"?
Anyone who "could argue it does" isn't to be taken seriously.
@@kingcassius2586 then why are you arguing that Friday the 13th isn't problematic if murder is a common problem in our world?
@@deborahminter6231 I'm arguing the opposite of that.
That’s such an unfair argument, everyone knows murder is bad, it’s the baseline. Plus people don’t just commit murder on the daily, and when it happens people treat it as the terrible crime it is, the perpetrator is held accountable. People don’t justify the actions of Jason from Friday the 13th, he’s a PSYCHO, someone who is unwell and he is treated as such. And whenever a murderer is portrayed in the media, the murder always shows signs of mental illness, or an indicator that they clearly aren’t a well functioning person. Those around him fear for their lives.
Rape and sexual harassment on the other hand are subjective, yes some people know it’s bad, but many people also believe that it’s not a big deal. Rape and sexual harassment DO happen on a daily, and people ARE just casually doing it. These people are usually never held accountable, and sometimes their actions are even justified. Victims on the other hand are either blamed for what happened to them or told that it’s just “men being men”. Rape culture in media further normalizes the behavior, because the people committing the actions are portrayed as regular members of society. They aren’t portrayed as psychos, but as regular people. The characters around them, either are shown as indifferent about the violation, or treat it as some joke.
Additionally, in murder films the actions are negative, the families and victims clearly suffer from the actions of the murderer, where as in rape culture the action is usually depicted as positive because it is shown that the victim liked it and asked for it (which is unrealistic)
Thanks for this 💗
You missed the point of the Superbad clip. They're not glorifying rape culture. Its a satirical take on the trope in teen movies. It's their way of criticizing it. Towards the ending of the film Evan refuses to have sex with a barely conscious girl. He is shown to hahr done the legal, and right thing to do. Seth embodies the sexist male and represents him as a fat, sexually perverted, vulgar individual. Whereas Evan who isn't into the idea of having sex with drunk girls is seen as right.
Right off the bat your hyphenated name alone tells me everything I need to know about how you look at the world and how you vote, but I’ll still play along.
Some of what you showed was not cool and I would never do that, especially if alcohol was involved to the point of passing out. But those are movies and anyone who takes them seriously needs to get a life. There is actual sexual assault and then there is what people like you have redefined as sexual assault since barry was in office.
An uninvited kiss is NOT sexual assault whether from a guy or girl. Is someone supposed to ask permission to be romantic and make the first move ? Are they expected to say excuse me, I would like to kiss you. Would that be legally acceptable to you? No you move in slowly and if a sober and conscious he or she doesn’t turn away or push you off and kisses you back, than that is consent. If they do, that’s it. It’s done. Walk away.
Also, talking about sex, even sex without consent is NOT sexual assault and does not make it wrong to show in films. That’s why we have a rating system on films. And the speech issue applies in a movie, but even in real life. If simply talking about it, even in strong terms is not allowed, then you are violating free speech and saying words hurt you. Sticks and stones . Remember ?
My first kiss from the opposite sex was from someone I started dating and was without my verbal consent. Do you think I felt sexually assaulted ? Nope. It was thrilling ! As it should be. Every first kiss should be !
Stop trying to take away spontaneity, romance, and even simple human desire. Focus on the real victims of sexual assault and the R word and not the FICTIONAL and THEORETICAL victims that don’t exist.
These are not good examples pf rape culture
I thought a few of them were.
This Is A Sad SJW Child Attempting To Take Down His Own Industry Lolur'z -JACK
Hahaha you're like 13 that's funny. Someday you'll grow old and watch this comment cringing with regret. Atleast I hope so.
Don't worry I was there too
Boo hooo… get over yourselves
I'll see you in hell
B.S
I'll see you in hell