The way they force you to is by making the real shoe tables an extremely high minimum bet like $25-$50 dollars as opposed to their csm tables minimum of $10-$15
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I mean, counting cards helps, but blackjack still has decent odds without it. It's like 49.5% in your favor. Some of that .5% can be gained by counting cards, but if you are taking gambling that seriously, you might need to evaluate your life decisions. Vegas is for fun, if you're going there expectng to win big, you're quite honestly an idiot.
I started dealing BJ in about 1972 in Tonopah, NV -- the Mizpah Hotel and Casino. Back then we dealt single deck, hand held. Table limits were 50 cents to $50. If there was any "action" on either of the 2 tables (someone betting $10 or more), the co-owner would come down and stand next to the game. Whenever the count got good, he'd give us a hand signal to shuffle. Sometimes I'd pretend I didn't see his signal, and he'd start freaking out. LOL.
Some casinos (especially cruise ships) put the discarded cards back in the machine after EVERY hand. Then effectively, card counting is literally impossible since it restarts each hand. Each hand is then an independent event
If you look at how the machines actually work, however, this isn't true. The article referenced in this video notes that the machines do not physically shuffle all the cards immediately when the dealer puts the discarded cards in. The shuffling is a continuous process and, in order not to slow down the game, there is a buffer of a certain number of cards ready to come out of the machine that are not shuffled with the discards, even if the discards are put in after every hand. This creates a game "state" which is why it is possible to use card counting on a CSM machine. To make counting truly impossible, you'd need computer or video blackjack, which can pretty much instantly reshuffle all the cards before every hand.
@@steelbeard151 that may be true, but your count is still impossible because counting depends on starting a brand new shoe. You can still “count” but you won’t ever have a “true” count
@@taoliu3949 I agree. I'm not saying counting would be worthwhile under such circumstances, rather that the video pointed out it was possible, and not "literally impossible" as the OP stated.
@@steelbeard151 The whole point of card counting is so you can size your bets depending on how rich the deck is. If you can't penetrate the deck deep enough to size your bets accordingly, then you might as well not count.
The casinos don't give a rats if every card counter boycotts CSM games. That's exactly what they want. The non-counters will give them the profits that they need.
I'm pretty sure they would lose too much money. I know I would find another hobby. Anyone who would play with a csm is dumb as fuck. Might as well play the computer blackjack.
@@chicospaintingco I think you're inflating the number of counters relative to casual players. Most "counters" don't even make money because they're not good at it, but we'll never get a accurate picture because so many are bullshitting about their wins.
@@zippymufo9765 it’s not even that they are not good. The ASM machines are rigged now too. No coincidence how aces are stacked together many times along with high cards. Some people want to throw the ideas that them being rigged is ridiculous. “What if” makes progression in our advancement. My next move is to record a complete session and gather data on the sequence
@@The713Sonic I have no doubt that the machines are rigged, but I also stand by my point that many people who claim to be counters don't make any money even in a fair setting.
Here in Australia i have yet to go into a casino without a CSM machine there. Not only that, the discard tray limits at two decks, making the true count almost useless. Unless you have a ridiculous running count theres a low chance youre going to be profiting
Here in the UK, it’s very rare now to see a lower stakes blackjack table without a CSM. The only time they now deal from a shoe is in the higher stakes table which they usually don’t usually open until late at night, or they have enough high stakes players to fill at least one table, (which is usually on the twelfth of never). I have asked them for a shoe table to be opened and then realised that this may have drawn unwanted attention to myself.
The problem for people without a large bankroll, i.e., us weekend players, there is no longer any choice. Unless you're playing $100 minimum, the casinos don't offer anything but CSM tables at 6:5. I was able to avoid those things for a couple years, but they grew like something out of a horror movie. The casinos have no incentive to go back to 3:2 tables with a cut card.
Unfortunately, I discovered that CSMs are the ONLY thing every BJ table at my nearest casino has. :( So I'll probably just practice. I've got basic strat down and some light counting can't hurt as long as I reset when the dealer puts the cards back. They seem to do nearly two decks worth of discard before it gets recycled.
@@angelozilian7359 I think he means, the dealer is supposed to shuffle after three or four hands, but they forget and don't put the cards in until after like 15 or 20 hands as they aren't used to the CSM machine.
Hey Colin, BTW, according to Mike Shackleford if you play only basic strategy then a CSM is very slightly better than regular shuffling. He did say it's difficult to mathematically explain.
If you're coming off a slog of bad shoe counts, going to a csm might feel refreshing at times because it's constantly reloaded with all the high value cards and you can go for long winning streaks because it's possible for the high values to just keep coming (the opposite is true too obviously). I think the complicated math on why basic strategy-only is slightly better on a csm might have something to do with that, although I witnessed a dealer at binions on a csm that dealt a round with a ton of faces then didn't put them back in the csm for several rounds when they normally put all the cards back into the csm after every round, very shady.
@Sheldon Cooper wrong. In blackjack i've won over 200k in one hand. I've won over 400k in one night. I've one over 1mill on blackjack,horse race,and roulette combined never caught a ban
I played 2 hands at a CSM once, and that's only because I saw a bunch of small cards pop out right off the get go. Also, the first 20 cards are not shuffled even after they put the discards back into the shuffler. I have also seen video footage on RUclips on some foreign casinos using significantly higher penetration despite utilizing CSM games.
I am interested in learning something new. .. I thank you for giving me my first tool to use... Please do not play at a CONTINUOUS CARD SHUFFLE MACHINE TABLE. remember why do you want to send the wrong message... The casinos want to take your money. Thank you . .. .
I wonder how truly random those CSMs actually are. Perhaps there could be a pattern that can be detected which might allow you to predict the cards. If that is the case, maybe it is even more profitable than card counting.
Another more technical reason why you can't beat a CSM... The fact that your advantage counts will be so infrequent will require a massive bet (such as your change from $5 to $500) when you do actually get an advantageous count. I'd love to see a followup video with Colin explaining how large of a bankroll you'd need to have
Thanks man! Yeah, I imagine you'd need quite the bankroll. I'll see if I can run a sim on it. But regardless, like you said, playing a CSM is just a bad idea!
just got home from some blackjack. memorised basic strategy just before i left. i’m in australia with 1 casino in my city and 1 an hour drive, most casinos in australia use CSMs. went with the intent to just practice basic strategy (im a gambler) but the first 2 dealers dealt quite slow. first dealer dealt at least 4 or 5 rounds and let the discard get to around 35 or 40 cards. second dealer was putting the discards in the machine after every round so no point counting but i did for practice. i asked him and he said they are not supposed to let the discard get over 40 cards high. he said if he was dealing to only 1 player he would go a few rounds. 3rd dealer was really fast so couldn’t keep up but he “shuffled” after every second round anyway. he also said he would go more rounds if it was 1 player. everyone left at the next dealer change so i asked her how many rounds would she deal before shuffling, she reckoned she would go at least a deck. so i kept going but liar bitch dealt 3 at the most. luckily i won on a double and left up. oh and the 2nd dealer said some funny bullshit, he reckoned the reason they don’t let the discard sleep stack up is so that people don’t steal the cards! HAAA!!! i’m not dumb buddy. also i was sitting out a lot of rounds and only jumping in when i felt like it, like if the dealer got 21 twice in a row. only once with the first dealer when i could actually count did i jump in because of the count. it was at 6 running at the end of the round. didn’t ask how many decks though so i assumed 6 = true 1 however i’m not sure what the standard number of decks is for CMSs.
99% of the casino in Macau use CSM. However, the rules are like this: 6 decks, S17, DAS, Early Surrender, No Peek. I checked on some Basic Strategy Engine and said the Estimated casino edge for these rules: -0.08 %. Negative Casion edge?!! is it really possible? For more information, these tables also offer Pairs and Under/Over 13 side bet.
This right here is my problem with professional blackjack, in 10-20 years, I highly doubt that there are going to be any regular cards/decks of cards left, it's all just gonna be auto shuffle machines
I've always used the reverse Fibonacci sequence with my batting and the CSM machine. The first time it got pulled out on me was terrible. I was up 800 on $200 buying and it knocked me down to 400 before I left
I played blackjack 5 nights probably 12 hours in total on my last cruise. Total profit for the trip was $50. Every table had a CSM and the dealers reloaded after each hand. I just ended up playing basic strategy and not trying to count.
One of the most important questions that I have is - do card counters follow basic strategy? For example if a counter knows that there are a lot of hi cards and he has a 16 against a 10 would he still hit? Or if he had an 8/8 against a dealers hand would he split under the same conditions?
No, no I don't follow basic strategy. I follow what I call "advanced strategy", and what this guy calls "deviations", i.e. deviations to basic strategy. You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about 16 against 10. That one is actually not just a common one, it is a very borderline decision, the decision threshold is a count of .08, meaning if the count is ANYTHING positive unless it's a shoe of more than 10, you STAND on 16 against 10. With one caveat..... you have to subtract 2 from the count if it's made from a 10 and a 6, or if you're using 2-7 vs 9-A as your counting vector (which is better), also if it's made from a 9 and a 7, because from a 16's perspective, a 6 and a 7 are bust cards even though they're counted as low cards thus for its use in that hand, it's off by 2, or rather, something slightly less than 2, since it's really partially accounting for that already since the entire set of 2-6 or 2-7 is being counted together already, in other words you're not off by 2, but more like 1.7. So you stand on 16 against 10 if the count, not the truecount, is 2 or more in a 2-deck game or 3 or more in a 6-deck game then, if it's composed of a 6 and a 10 or a 7 and a 9 depending on your counting vector. Another super-borderline one is doubling on 11 against ace. The decision threshold of that one is -.04, meaning you don't do it if the count is negative at all, unless you're playing a 25+ deck shoe. Splitting 8's against a dealer's ace is another borderline situation though not nearly as close, but oddly enough, not against any other dealer's card. If the true count falls under -1.7, then you would hit on 8-8 against a dealer's ace instead of splitting them. I once got a pair of 8's against a dealer's 10, but the count was -12 and I wasn't even sure if at that level I should split them because I only calculated these thresholds when they fell from -10 to +10, but not splitting also has the advantage of having a lower standard deviation of outcome, so I just hit... the next 2 cards were a 3 and a 10 and the dealer had two 10's so I would have won ONE of the hands (but at that count I wouldn't have doubled on the 11, that threshold I know is -5, meaning if the truecount is -5 or below, you don't double on 11 against 10) instead of losing the one hand, and of course I would have probably lost the other hand since ultimately the dealer did have 20, so I would have saved myself 5 dollars, possibly 15. Well I would have saved myself 2000 dollars if I hadn't gone to the casino at ALL that day because I would have closed out my position in the stupid S&P 500 if I had stayed home and of course it did the worst thing possible for me.
Card counters follow basic strategy completely. Then deviate from the basic strategy depending upon the running count or true count. And in your example, no they would not hit. One of the first deviations everyone learns is to stand on a hard 16 against any 10 if the RC > 0.
I've trying to find answers to this question. The reshuffle tower machine or what ever it's called, Not CSM. I'm talking about the machine that the dealer puts their discarded deck in and then a new fresh deck comes up and is already ready. I've heard that the auto re-shuffler has been programed to set the deck in a certain pattern to keep the deck count as neutral as possible. Non of my local casinos hand shuffle unless that machine goes down. Could you shed some answers on that please?
As many will point out. There is a lot of variance, aka it can change a lot from one game to the next. a good rule i find is that you should be up after 240 games or so and over all not too far off 50%. if you are you need to figure out what you are doing wrong or figure out if the rules you are playing under are bad. not every blackjack game can be beaten by counting...
The shuffle machine can be bet , I already bit them for more than 20k , at late night the dealer will be very tired to remove all the cards and put it again in shuffle machine I notice that most of the time they play until 3 decks when it’s late night and there is a lot of players on the table , yesterday I bit them by 3k , the true count was +5 in three decks which has been delt so I spread 7 bets on the table with 200$ each bet , I received three blackjack and two 8s which I split and double it down as the dealer have 6 , I win all of them and the dealer bust , so counting cards work also in shuffle machine if the dealer is lazy to put again the cards in the machine , my advice play always the minimum when you loose and increase the bets when the count in your favorite don’t scare to loose the money especially when you play perfect basic strategy and perfect betting
I have a problem Collin, in my city the only casino that offer to play no electronic blackjack has the shuffler machine, so I can count cards in a casino with normal shoe.
unfortunately most casinos in australia use CSMs. there also aren’t very many casinos. i’m a gambler anyway so I will try my luck but only really go off the count if there is a dealer who lets the discards pile up. some dealers clear the discards every 1-2 rounds making counting impossible. but what if we sit out rounds when the count is low or negative and only bet 1 set amount when the count is good? if i use a large bet spread i’m definitely getting backed off. so little casinos here, they’re all big and fancy and would catch on quick
Hey i've been learning how to count cards for 6 months and i can count a whole deck in 31 seconds but the only problem over here in the UK is that every casino has CSM's and they deal one hand out and return the cards back into the machine. Any tips? i'd of hated to waste all this time learning for nothing but i think i have. Thanks
In Arizona I played at a casino 18 times in one month (about 3-4 hours each time). I won 15 times and broke even the other 3. That’s right. I never lost and I’m not a card counter. Of course I only won $300-600 each time but I was happy. I also know that I was very lucky. Good luck to everyone. 💰
I would have a better idea for anyone who want to play the CSMs. A lot of places have online blackjack. If they want to play the CSMs they are better off playing the online blackjack games rather than going to a casino.
Do you see a point in the near future where every casino uses the CSMs? In another video, I think I remember you saying that the machines were really expensive. I'm wondering how expensive. Because casinos can build hotels like nothing. How can these things be too expensive for casinos?
The casino's already have a great enough advantage over players which keeps them filthy rich. They do not need anymore of an advantage so I refuse to ever risk money where CSM are in use.
I know of a team that reverse engineered a csm and found that by listening to the csm shuffle they can sometimes gain information about the deck. However he wouldn't tell me how it works. Does anyone know anything about this? They've made a lot of money with this information as far as I know, but this was a long time ago.
In my city, the CSM is widely used in the European blackjack and before anyone plays, they “burn” the first 5 cards upside down soooo yeah I am pretty fucked up.
And they wonder why the younger generation are increasingly less interested in gambling, and instead choose to spend their money on dining, exploring and shows. They take all the possibilities out of it, and eventually people just lose interest. I know there will always be the addicts that they feed on, but it has lost its luster. The casinos can't handle that a game may actually be "almost" fair for the customer. I have a trip to Vegas planned soon, and what I initially planned on spending at the tables will stay in my wallet. Hard pass.
I donated $1500 to one of those stupid machines before. The way the cards were coming out it's like they're made to make you bust. The only time I made some money back is when I played backwards staying on everything, and dealer started busting haha
Well after you heard it i bet you feel dumb for assuming he was gonna advocate CSM's because they are beatable. He actually just proved you could but that it sucks, which basically validates what you thought about it beforehand, however now u look like a dick for making your comment before watching. Basically what I'm saying is that you are a fuckin idiot
Does anyone know where in France I can find regular shoe game ? I came to Casino Monte Carlo in Monaco and to my surprise found out that they use CSM there. They don't put cards in the tray at all, but right away back to CSM !!!
I live in one of the most isolated cities in the world which only has one casino. They use a CSM. Card counting is out of the question for me and most others who live here and aren't prepared to fly to a place that has multiple casinos and choices of avoiding CSM's. The casino where I live has the upper hand, lol. I got more chance of winning playing roulette, lol.
Hi there I like in the uk , and the dealer only dealts him a second card after all players are finished their hands , does that makes any difference for card counting !??
You need to learn the UK No Hole card strategy. You can find the UK basic strategy on Wizard of Odds. And we have the deviation charts for our Members on BlackjackApprenticeship.com .
im just wondering at my casino i noticed its all CSM only. is it normal that CSM games where i play dont have dealer 2nd card face down on the table. they get the dealers 2nd card after everybody else played there hands
Thats actually better than having the dealer draw both cards at the start. MGM in DC has dealers draw 2nd card face down, but if the dealer hits 20 with that initial duo, then the dealer automatically wins.
Let's say I know places where they have Continuous Shuffle Machines but with player advantage of the top, how much compensation should I get to reveal this almost secret.
In my opinion, blackjack can be beaten every single time without counting cards. Yes, counting cards will give u an advantage but can also go against you since it tells you to bet heavy when there are more picture cards in the shoe...well, there is also a high probality of dealer making a hand in that case...and definately casinos have an advantage over anyone since they have more money to give out than any of us can afford to loose. Now, the point comes , how can you beat the game every single time?? Well, let me put it this way 1. As you guys have mentioned in your previous videos that always take the money that you can afford to loose mentally n financially....GOLDEN RULE. 2. I would say have a bankroll of atleast 100 times the minimum bet i.e if table minimum is 15 then have a banroll of 1500 or something close to it ....table minimum of 25- bankroll 2500 or something close to it ...so on and so forth. 3. DONOT DRINK while Playing. 4. DONOT TIP the dealers. 5. DONOT SIDEBET ( thats a sucker bet in the long run ). 6. DONOT always assume that a dealer has a 10 as a down card....if that is the case the well you can never win as they have 10s as the upcard 65 to 70 % of times. 7. DONOT get into conversations with other players or the dealers...REMEMBER, that place is not to make friends...you are there for money and not to just have fun..there are better places to have fun and make friends ( p.s i donot advice to be an a**hole either ) All i am trying to say is FOCUS. 8. PLAY IT LIKE A BUSINESS...you will not win every hand and also you will not loose every hand. So use MONEY MANAGEMENT SKILLS On that table. Meaning, switch your bets . DONOT FLATBET...You CANNOT WIN like that. 9. DONT BE EMOTIONAL in that place.....cards or that place donot have any emotions. 10. Bet Big when winning and small when loosing....Just like winning streaks , you will have loosing streaks. 11. DONOT aim for too big...i can guarantee you that you can always make 50 to 60 % of your banroll sometimes even more or on a really bad day 20 to 30 % of it almost every single time. 12. DONOT play for a long period of time.. Your mind gets tired ...you get frustrated and can start betting crazy. so GET OUT of that place if you feel tired or anything of that sort. 13. Learn to get up and leave the place with your profit....come back some other day and do the same...but not the same day... 14. THINK what you can do with that money in the outside world!! 15. DONOT get addicted to that place...since, this is a kind of addiction...i would say as bad as drugs if not more. 16. DONOT CHASE your loses...Take it slowly...Remember slow but steady wins the race!! and also not to forget casinos advantage over anyone of us in terms of paying out money!! WE have a limit but they don't. 17. DONOT complete with them...DONOT play with ego or get too carried away with your winnings since, it jus takes a minute for things to change in that place!! 18. Also, donot be scared to take a risk!! 19. DONOT be too extravagant in the outside world with that money....MEANING, Take care of your priorities first rather than starting to be flashy!! 20. DONOT DEPEND on that money!! IF you are able to resist the temptations and other things mentioned and are able to beat them on a psychological and mental level...then i believe anyone can beat them almost every time!! 21. BEAT THE HOUSE!! BLACKJACK!! ;)
Blackjack Apprenticeship math is not with the cards...but yes with the money!! thats why i used money management....no matter how much math u do there....they have more money to give out than any of the people going there can afford to loose.... i am talking about other factors aswell!! You guys are definately more experienced than me and definately are good at card counting...i donot doubt that :) i was just generally try to point out some points which i thought can help regular people who are not counting cards....since i also understand it is not as easy as it sounds!! can u plz give me an idea in general how much are u able to make in a day from playing blackjack?? ( i hope this question does not offend u...cos it is not meant to ) :) i have watched ur previous videos n i have definately learnt a few things frm u guys :).... thnks for replying
Lol, as a dealer, someone ignoring everyone, focusing hard and trying to "stay calm" when everyone around them is a drunken moron, not tipping me, not drinking, and playing perfect strategy while their bet just so happens to be correlating itself to responding to low or high cards coming out is about the most obvious card counter you can spot. You don't even have to know the count to spot those kinds of people.
so true, but 1 time at a $1 table st hooters this guy came up almost 500 every 5/7 hands he would significantly increase his bet by 5 or more and won several times with that pattern
@@iceman55 ah interessant, je note ^^ si t en trouves d autres hésite pas à le dire. J ai essayé de chercher sur internet, mais l info est introuvable, seule solution aller physiquement dans les casino pour confirmer de visu si ils ont des csm ou pas, et pour l instant tout ceux que j ai vu en ont équipé toutes leurs tables.
@@69kerrigan ça marche. De mémoire j'avais joué à Deauville et à St Malo il y a quelques années et il n'y avait pas de machine csm non plus. Mise mini 5€ à St Malo mise mini 10€ à Deauville. Mais c'était il y a 4-5 ans. Est ce encore vrai maintenant ?
CSM games are here to stay. Why wouldn’t they be? The casinos make more money with them and the general public has no idea once they sit down - you aren’t going to get some ground swell of support against them
The casual gambler doesn't care, they don't see the difference in odds. Whereas it's very obvious 6:5 blackjack is way worse than 3:2. I'd rather have a CSM than 6:5!
CSMs deter wanna-be card counters, which are probably about 95% of self professed card counters. The casinos want to attract the fake ones, and just use surveillance to back off the real counters. They probably reckon they're winning more from the bad counters than they're losing from the real ones and they're probably right.
ive seen it where they place the cards back in the machine after each hand. i will not play csm tables. even if the min bet is low, i will not play. note to casino: get rid of these freaking machines.
Not considering the ability to count cards, does a CSM actually change the odds of the game? I've only played it on a cruise ship where it was the only option (and they shuffled after EVERY hand), but I sat down for three separate sessions that lasted about 5 minutes each, that's how bad it was. I lost almost every hand. I know the sample size is so small as to be statistically meaningless, but it was just so incredibly unlucky that it made me wonder. I did play in (actually finished second) in the blackjack tournament on the ship, and that was hand shuffled, and there I did just fine.
Short story is no, the odds doesn't change. If anything, the odds are closer to what it's supposed to be because the shoe is being reshuffled at a more constant rate. It's only an issue if you're counting cards, because now you no longer have the advantage of knowing what cards are left in the deck. Think of it as the shoe being reshuffled after every game.
Yea, i don’t like them but , I won $200 yesterday . And $100 last week , and the week before I got down $290 , but came back up and only lost $25 bucks so so far with about 10 hours with them I don’t see the problem, but I could have just been lucky time will tell! Ahha
You're naive. If NO ONE played the CSM games, the casinos would conclude that virtually everyone that shows up to play blackjack is there to count cards, and their action would be to stop offering blackjack at all. Because why would that make a difference to anyone but an advantage player? It doesn't. That would be sending a clear message to the casinos of "we're all advantage players, that's the only reason we play blackjack".
Casinos aren't going to stop offering blackjack. It's far too popular, and they win tons of money off of the game even with card counters playing it. A lot of the time casinos want people who *think* they can count cards to try to beat the game. They make profit off of those people.
Yup. Counting cards is a self defeating strategy. The more widespread it gets, the more CSMs are used, this concentrates the card counters in other casinos, who then see their profits dip and then use CSMs themselves etc. It's a spiral.
damn i just wanna learn how to double or triple my measly 100 bucks when i go to play.. id do it 2 or 3 times a week so the casino doesnt hate me and make a solid side income.
I know these things are straight up garbage but if you’re just playing perfect, basic strategy and not card counting, can it improve your odds? or should even perfect basic strategy, players avoid CSM games like the plague? (I would avoid them my self but the 15 and $25 tables are exclusively CSM‘s at my casino but they still pay 3 to 2 on a blackjack if they go 6 to 5 im done with those tables so it’s all I have to play for longer sessions where i increase or decrease my bet based on how I’m doing. Shoe games start at $50 so I hit those when I go for more of a hit and run strategy with basic strategy get some quick wins and get the money out)
With the most common rules in US casinos perfect basic strategy alone leaves the casino with ~.5% edge so you're probably not going to lose a ton quickly but in the long run you're not going to win against a CSM.
Hey Collin , in the city i live which Is Bogotá - Colombia, i have been playing over this machines all the Time, AND muy conclusión Is that Is a total ruin for the players, those machines literally make the casino win all the Time... In the city i live there are only 5 casinos each one with a vip Blackjack shoe table, one of those Is with 6 deck but the cut card Is placed in the middle... The other casino has 8 decks shoe AND there Is the only place that the cut card Is being placed 1deck AND a half of penetración. Which Is better to invest?
I hate these CSM but surprisingly the other day I was counting on one them which was my first time ever trying to count in a casino btw and I got to a positive count as high as +20 and I was betting high and winning when the count was good, but I’m sure it’s very rare the count to get that high on one of them because at most they were putting about a deck or less in the machine each time
Say NO to garbage CSM games.
Exactly.
This is how the casino's cheat. Yes, its cheating. It's not blackjack either. Plus their mandatory minimum ante tip pit metal box that's bullshit too.
The way they force you to is by making the real shoe tables an extremely high minimum bet like $25-$50 dollars as opposed to their csm tables minimum of $10-$15
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I mean, counting cards helps, but blackjack still has decent odds without it. It's like 49.5% in your favor. Some of that .5% can be gained by counting cards, but if you are taking gambling that seriously, you might need to evaluate your life decisions. Vegas is for fun, if you're going there expectng to win big, you're quite honestly an idiot.
I started dealing BJ in about 1972 in Tonopah, NV -- the Mizpah Hotel and Casino. Back then we dealt single deck, hand held. Table limits were 50 cents to $50. If there was any "action" on either of the 2 tables (someone betting $10 or more), the co-owner would come down and stand next to the game. Whenever the count got good, he'd give us a hand signal to shuffle. Sometimes I'd pretend I didn't see his signal, and he'd start freaking out. LOL.
Funny story lol. Also rare to see a 60+ YO on RUclips!
Some casinos (especially cruise ships) put the discarded cards back in the machine after EVERY hand. Then effectively, card counting is literally impossible since it restarts each hand. Each hand is then an independent event
If you look at how the machines actually work, however, this isn't true. The article referenced in this video notes that the machines do not physically shuffle all the cards immediately when the dealer puts the discarded cards in. The shuffling is a continuous process and, in order not to slow down the game, there is a buffer of a certain number of cards ready to come out of the machine that are not shuffled with the discards, even if the discards are put in after every hand. This creates a game "state" which is why it is possible to use card counting on a CSM machine. To make counting truly impossible, you'd need computer or video blackjack, which can pretty much instantly reshuffle all the cards before every hand.
@@steelbeard151 that may be true, but your count is still impossible because counting depends on starting a brand new shoe. You can still “count” but you won’t ever have a “true” count
@@steelbeard151 Yes, but that buffer is so small that it becomes meaningless. We're talking about a buffer of maybe 20 cards for 4-6 decks?
@@taoliu3949 I agree. I'm not saying counting would be worthwhile under such circumstances, rather that the video pointed out it was possible, and not "literally impossible" as the OP stated.
@@steelbeard151 The whole point of card counting is so you can size your bets depending on how rich the deck is. If you can't penetrate the deck deep enough to size your bets accordingly, then you might as well not count.
The casinos don't give a rats if every card counter boycotts CSM games. That's exactly what they want. The non-counters will give them the profits that they need.
I'm pretty sure they would lose too much money. I know I would find another hobby. Anyone who would play with a csm is dumb as fuck. Might as well play the computer blackjack.
@@chicospaintingco I think you're inflating the number of counters relative to casual players. Most "counters" don't even make money because they're not good at it, but we'll never get a accurate picture because so many are bullshitting about their wins.
@@zippymufo9765 it’s not even that they are not good. The ASM machines are rigged now too. No coincidence how aces are stacked together many times along with high cards. Some people want to throw the ideas that them being rigged is ridiculous. “What if” makes progression in our advancement. My next move is to record a complete session and gather data on the sequence
@@The713Sonic I have no doubt that the machines are rigged, but I also stand by my point that many people who claim to be counters don't make any money even in a fair setting.
Here in Australia i have yet to go into a casino without a CSM machine there. Not only that, the discard tray limits at two decks, making the true count almost useless. Unless you have a ridiculous running count theres a low chance youre going to be profiting
Yep
Here in the UK, it’s very rare now to see a lower stakes blackjack table without a CSM. The only time they now deal from a shoe is in the higher stakes table which they usually don’t usually open until late at night, or they have enough high stakes players to fill at least one table, (which is usually on the twelfth of never). I have asked them for a shoe table to be opened and then realised that this may have drawn unwanted attention to myself.
What do you see as lower stakes tables? I recent visit hippodrome with 6 deck table without CSM. Good pen. Minimum bet was 25 pounds.
The problem for people without a large bankroll, i.e., us weekend players, there is no longer any choice. Unless you're playing $100 minimum, the casinos don't offer anything but CSM tables at 6:5. I was able to avoid those things for a couple years, but they grew like something out of a horror movie. The casinos have no incentive to go back to 3:2 tables with a cut card.
in philippines and macau, they only have csm on blackjacks ...
Unfortunately, I discovered that CSMs are the ONLY thing every BJ table at my nearest casino has. :(
So I'll probably just practice. I've got basic strat down and some light counting can't hurt as long as I reset when the dealer puts the cards back. They seem to do nearly two decks worth of discard before it gets recycled.
One thing to point out - when a casino installs CSM’s for the first time, it’s common to find significant penetration though dealer errors.
@@angelozilian7359 I think he means, the dealer is supposed to shuffle after three or four hands, but they forget and don't put the cards in until after like 15 or 20 hands as they aren't used to the CSM machine.
2$/h?? lmao i better go clean some toilets instead
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McDonald's ain't bad.
Good to see you guys making vids again!!
Hey Colin,
BTW, according to Mike Shackleford if you play only basic strategy then a CSM is very slightly better than regular shuffling. He did say it's difficult to mathematically explain.
That's true. Well you know what I mean. Lol.
If you're coming off a slog of bad shoe counts, going to a csm might feel refreshing at times because it's constantly reloaded with all the high value cards and you can go for long winning streaks because it's possible for the high values to just keep coming (the opposite is true too obviously). I think the complicated math on why basic strategy-only is slightly better on a csm might have something to do with that, although I witnessed a dealer at binions on a csm that dealt a round with a ton of faces then didn't put them back in the csm for several rounds when they normally put all the cards back into the csm after every round, very shady.
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@African 1st Congolese 2nd what?
@Sheldon Cooper wrong. In blackjack i've won over 200k in one hand.
I've won over 400k in one night.
I've one over 1mill on blackjack,horse race,and roulette combined never caught a ban
@@RandoManFPV cuz it’s not cheating, also rockstar doesn’t give a shit about skill as long as you arnt glitching or modding
@@Impossible_Fishy about skill? Theres no skill in gta casino, besides maybe basic strategy, their casinos is the biggest scam i’ve ever seen.
@@toms.4382 I know that, I just said that cuz he brought it up
CSM are everywhere in Canada
Some casinos put the cards back into the CSM immediately after every hand.
I never play black jack when I see a Continuous Shuffle Machine at the table
Im sure the casinos is ok with you not playing it lol
@@marcelrodriguez2067 we really are. lol
I never play CSM games, Never Ever, for never never.
I played 2 hands at a CSM once, and that's only because I saw a bunch of small cards pop out right off the get go. Also, the first 20 cards are not shuffled even after they put the discards back into the shuffler.
I have also seen video footage on RUclips on some foreign casinos using significantly higher penetration despite utilizing CSM games.
I am interested in learning something new. .. I thank you for giving me my first tool to use... Please do not play at a CONTINUOUS CARD SHUFFLE MACHINE TABLE. remember why do you want to send the wrong message... The casinos want to take your money.
Thank you . .. .
I wonder how truly random those CSMs actually are. Perhaps there could be a pattern that can be detected which might allow you to predict the cards. If that is the case, maybe it is even more profitable than card counting.
Joao Simoes wei xing, Yes buy a shuffling machine yourself and see how it shuffles, if you see any patterns
Even if it was true, I doubt it would be more profitable, but it could still allow some profit.
Another more technical reason why you can't beat a CSM... The fact that your advantage counts will be so infrequent will require a massive bet (such as your change from $5 to $500) when you do actually get an advantageous count. I'd love to see a followup video with Colin explaining how large of a bankroll you'd need to have
Thanks man!
Yeah, I imagine you'd need quite the bankroll. I'll see if I can run a sim on it. But regardless, like you said, playing a CSM is just a bad idea!
just got home from some blackjack. memorised basic strategy just before i left. i’m in australia with 1 casino in my city and 1 an hour drive, most casinos in australia use CSMs.
went with the intent to just practice basic strategy (im a gambler) but the first 2 dealers dealt quite slow.
first dealer dealt at least 4 or 5 rounds and let the discard get to around 35 or 40 cards. second dealer was putting the discards in the machine after every round so no point counting but i did for practice. i asked him and he said they are not supposed to let the discard get over 40 cards high. he said if he was dealing to only 1 player he would go a few rounds.
3rd dealer was really fast so couldn’t keep up but he “shuffled” after every second round anyway. he also said he would go more rounds if it was 1 player.
everyone left at the next dealer change so i asked her how many rounds would she deal before shuffling, she reckoned she would go at least a deck. so i kept going but liar bitch dealt 3 at the most. luckily i won on a double and left up.
oh and the 2nd dealer said some funny bullshit, he reckoned the reason they don’t let the discard sleep stack up is so that people don’t steal the cards! HAAA!!! i’m not dumb buddy.
also i was sitting out a lot of rounds and only jumping in when i felt like it, like if the dealer got 21 twice in a row. only once with the first dealer when i could actually count did i jump in because of the count. it was at 6 running at the end of the round. didn’t ask how many decks though so i assumed 6 = true 1 however i’m not sure what the standard number of decks is for CMSs.
I'm thinking on learning but I'm in a similar situation only with the second casino being a bit farther.
99% of the casino in Macau use CSM. However, the rules are like this: 6 decks, S17, DAS, Early Surrender, No Peek. I checked on some Basic Strategy Engine and said the Estimated casino edge for these rules: -0.08 %.
Negative Casion edge?!! is it really possible? For more information, these tables also offer Pairs and Under/Over 13 side bet.
leaderofasla I would say 100%，not even a casino I saw in Macau wasn't replaced with the CSM
This right here is my problem with professional blackjack, in 10-20 years, I highly doubt that there are going to be any regular cards/decks of cards left, it's all just gonna be auto shuffle machines
The casino mangers are watching these types of videos and wising up.
Well it seems that from some of the comments the pretty much all of Europe and Australia is already there, so you're probably right
All the new casinos in Canada are CSM, you have to go to Casinos further out to get more liberal blackjack rules with a shoe instead of CSM.
I've always used the reverse Fibonacci sequence with my batting and the CSM machine. The first time it got pulled out on me was terrible. I was up 800 on $200 buying and it knocked me down to 400 before I left
CSM games are the only available tables where i'm from
So, in macau. All black jack tables using 126 shuffle machines. Does that means no point to play?
I played blackjack 5 nights probably 12 hours in total on my last cruise. Total profit for the trip was $50. Every table had a CSM and the dealers reloaded after each hand. I just ended up playing basic strategy and not trying to count.
Did you profit
@@DeloreanDude.he literally said he profited $50
@@lemeno180 maybe just in the moment, but for the long run I doubt it
One of the most important questions that I have is - do card counters follow basic strategy? For example if a counter knows that there are a lot of hi cards and he has a 16 against a 10 would he still hit? Or if he had an 8/8 against a dealers hand would he split under the same conditions?
No, no I don't follow basic strategy. I follow what I call "advanced strategy", and what this guy calls "deviations", i.e. deviations to basic strategy. You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about 16 against 10. That one is actually not just a common one, it is a very borderline decision, the decision threshold is a count of .08, meaning if the count is ANYTHING positive unless it's a shoe of more than 10, you STAND on 16 against 10. With one caveat..... you have to subtract 2 from the count if it's made from a 10 and a 6, or if you're using 2-7 vs 9-A as your counting vector (which is better), also if it's made from a 9 and a 7, because from a 16's perspective, a 6 and a 7 are bust cards even though they're counted as low cards thus for its use in that hand, it's off by 2, or rather, something slightly less than 2, since it's really partially accounting for that already since the entire set of 2-6 or 2-7 is being counted together already, in other words you're not off by 2, but more like 1.7. So you stand on 16 against 10 if the count, not the truecount, is 2 or more in a 2-deck game or 3 or more in a 6-deck game then, if it's composed of a 6 and a 10 or a 7 and a 9 depending on your counting vector. Another super-borderline one is doubling on 11 against ace. The decision threshold of that one is -.04, meaning you don't do it if the count is negative at all, unless you're playing a 25+ deck shoe. Splitting 8's against a dealer's ace is another borderline situation though not nearly as close, but oddly enough, not against any other dealer's card. If the true count falls under -1.7, then you would hit on 8-8 against a dealer's ace instead of splitting them. I once got a pair of 8's against a dealer's 10, but the count was -12 and I wasn't even sure if at that level I should split them because I only calculated these thresholds when they fell from -10 to +10, but not splitting also has the advantage of having a lower standard deviation of outcome, so I just hit... the next 2 cards were a 3 and a 10 and the dealer had two 10's so I would have won ONE of the hands (but at that count I wouldn't have doubled on the 11, that threshold I know is -5, meaning if the truecount is -5 or below, you don't double on 11 against 10) instead of losing the one hand, and of course I would have probably lost the other hand since ultimately the dealer did have 20, so I would have saved myself 5 dollars, possibly 15. Well I would have saved myself 2000 dollars if I hadn't gone to the casino at ALL that day because I would have closed out my position in the stupid S&P 500 if I had stayed home and of course it did the worst thing possible for me.
Card counters follow basic strategy completely. Then deviate from the basic strategy depending upon the running count or true count. And in your example, no they would not hit. One of the first deviations everyone learns is to stand on a hard 16 against any 10 if the RC > 0.
I've trying to find answers to this question. The reshuffle tower machine or what ever it's called, Not CSM. I'm talking about the machine that the dealer puts their discarded deck in and then a new fresh deck comes up and is already ready.
I've heard that the auto re-shuffler has been programed to set the deck in a certain pattern to keep the deck count as neutral as possible. Non of my local casinos hand shuffle unless that machine goes down. Could you shed some answers on that please?
Guess what..I looked this up after I lost money just now. Was like wtf is that I feel like I'm losing too much and here you have it.
Blackjack has tons of variance. Unless you've been playing for years, your results were probably due to lack of luck. CSMs had nothing to do with it.
As many will point out. There is a lot of variance, aka it can change a lot from one game to the next. a good rule i find is that you should be up after 240 games or so and over all not too far off 50%. if you are you need to figure out what you are doing wrong or figure out if the rules you are playing under are bad. not every blackjack game can be beaten by counting...
The shuffle machine can be bet , I already bit them for more than 20k , at late night the dealer will be very tired to remove all the cards and put it again in shuffle machine I notice that most of the time they play until 3 decks when it’s late night and there is a lot of players on the table , yesterday I bit them by 3k , the true count was +5 in three decks which has been delt so I spread 7 bets on the table with 200$ each bet , I received three blackjack and two 8s which I split and double it down as the dealer have 6 , I win all of them and the dealer bust , so counting cards work also in shuffle machine if the dealer is lazy to put again the cards in the machine , my advice play always the minimum when you loose and increase the bets when the count in your favorite don’t scare to loose the money especially when you play perfect basic strategy and perfect betting
1:25 $2/hour using a CSM versus $150/hour using a 6 Deck Shoe using a $5-500 bet spread.
unfortunately here in NSW, Australia, the Casino only has CSM games for blackjack.
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I have a problem Collin, in my city the only casino that offer to play no electronic blackjack has the shuffler machine, so I can count cards in a casino with normal shoe.
CSM 6 machines are easier to Minipulated withholding certain cards, dealing certain cards especially when you double down or split.
unfortunately most casinos in australia use CSMs. there also aren’t very many casinos. i’m a gambler anyway so I will try my luck but only really go off the count if there is a dealer who lets the discards pile up. some dealers clear the discards every 1-2 rounds making counting impossible. but what if we sit out rounds when the count is low or negative and only bet 1 set amount when the count is good? if i use a large bet spread i’m definitely getting backed off. so little casinos here, they’re all big and fancy and would catch on quick
Bummer about the CSM's. If people stopped playing them, casinos would get rid of them.
@@Blackjackapprenticeship if there’s only CSMs in a casino, it’s really going to hard to stop casual/gamblers from playing.
The casino in my area only has CSMs but when the machine broke man, did the advantage players clean up
Yes this is true. Don’t play continuously shuffled blackjack games
Hey i've been learning how to count cards for 6 months and i can count a whole deck in 31 seconds but the only problem over here in the UK is that every casino has CSM's and they deal one hand out and return the cards back into the machine. Any tips? i'd of hated to waste all this time learning for nothing but i think i have. Thanks
That's incorrect. Do your homework
Move to the US lmao.
Never play if they are using a CSM machine and tell them so. That way they will know how many gamblers will not play.,
In Arizona I played at a casino 18 times in one month (about 3-4 hours each time). I won 15 times and broke even the other 3. That’s right. I never lost and I’m not a card counter. Of course I only won $300-600 each time but I was happy. I also know that I was very lucky. Good luck to everyone. 💰
This is me right now. I'm on an insane run. I wish I was keeping track the whole time because I'm not sure how much I've even won in the last 2 weeks
I would have a better idea for anyone who want to play the CSMs. A lot of places have online blackjack. If they want to play the CSMs they are better off playing the online blackjack games rather than going to a casino.
Do you see a point in the near future where every casino uses the CSMs?
In another video, I think I remember you saying that the machines were really expensive.
I'm wondering how expensive. Because casinos can build hotels like nothing. How can these things be too expensive for casinos?
They can get financing to buy them. Those machines allow them to pre-set the cards so they will win more often
The casino's already have a great enough advantage over players which keeps them filthy rich. They do not need anymore of an advantage so I refuse to ever risk money where CSM are in use.
Most people don't count cards. The CSM offers no advantage to casinos against non-card counters
In Asia it seems like all casinos in Macau and Genting Highlands use CSMs. Is card counting dead here :(?
Totally death
I know of a team that reverse engineered a csm and found that by listening to the csm shuffle they can sometimes gain information about the deck. However he wouldn't tell me how it works. Does anyone know anything about this? They've made a lot of money with this information as far as I know, but this was a long time ago.
See csm card counting on kindle store.. In Asia they start counting on csm..
@@cava-ft2viHi, do you have a lini for an Ebook to learn how to beat the CSM ?
Not sure if you are talking about the taiwanese team ,met them twice
@@cava-ft2vi not necessary a Team but a web site or ebook of "'how to count with CSM"?
How soon can the same card comeout in a csm? Like if you put a card into thw machine how soon could it be dealt out? There must be a buffer?
But how about Basic Strategy? Are the mathematics still the same with an automatic shuffler?
In the Netherlands you have only a CSM ...
In my city, the CSM is widely used in the European blackjack and before anyone plays, they “burn” the first 5 cards upside down soooo yeah I am pretty fucked up.
Basic strategy tricky hands video will be helpful like good 4 us to remember
I live in Brisbane, Australia and there is one casino which doesn't use tables without a csm...... A new one is being built so fingers crossed
And which Casino is that?
And they wonder why the younger generation are increasingly less interested in gambling, and instead choose to spend their money on dining, exploring and shows. They take all the possibilities out of it, and eventually people just lose interest. I know there will always be the addicts that they feed on, but it has lost its luster. The casinos can't handle that a game may actually be "almost" fair for the customer. I have a trip to Vegas planned soon, and what I initially planned on spending at the tables will stay in my wallet. Hard pass.
I donated $1500 to one of those stupid machines before. The way the cards were coming out it's like they're made to make you bust. The only time I made some money back is when I played backwards staying on everything, and dealer started busting haha
That is quite true.
O I cant wait to hear this one.
Well after you heard it i bet you feel dumb for assuming he was gonna advocate CSM's because they are beatable. He actually just proved you could but that it sucks, which basically validates what you thought about it beforehand, however now u look like a dick for making your comment before watching. Basically what I'm saying is that you are a fuckin idiot
The biggest edge a gambler can have is... walking away while your up.
That trope is a fallacy unless you're never playing again
Indian goa casinos are only using CSMs. Also every round they shuffles 😒
What to do with this??
Does anyone know where in France I can find regular shoe game ?
I came to Casino Monte Carlo in Monaco and to my surprise found out that they use CSM there.
They don't put cards in the tray at all, but right away back to CSM !!!
I live in one of the most isolated cities in the world which only has one casino. They use a CSM. Card counting is out of the question for me and most others who live here and aren't prepared to fly to a place that has multiple casinos and choices of avoiding CSM's. The casino where I live has the upper hand, lol. I got more chance of winning playing roulette, lol.
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So because it's so random could we not just use martingale strategy?
no - we discuss that in multiple videos like this one: ruclips.net/video/shD7Smejn1c/видео.html
Hi there I like in the uk , and the dealer only dealts him a second card after all players are finished their hands , does that makes any difference for card counting !??
You need to learn the UK No Hole card strategy. You can find the UK basic strategy on Wizard of Odds. And we have the deviation charts for our Members on BlackjackApprenticeship.com .
I played 6:5 BJ with a shuffle machine and won over 100€ with 10 min bet. It was my first casino experience. I guess I was lucky 😂🌞
they do that on purpose
What to do
In genting highland
All blackjack table are csm
Don't play! Sorry, but if it's all CSM's, you can't beat that game.
I've played against a csm a few times, but only a couple of days I actually won something.
Here in Western Australia, at the only casino we have every single blackjack table has a CSM. Unfortunately
im just wondering at my casino i noticed its all CSM only. is it normal that CSM games where i play dont have dealer 2nd card face down on the table. they get the dealers 2nd card after everybody else played there hands
Yeah, that's common in countries outside of the US.
Thats actually better than having the dealer draw both cards at the start. MGM in DC has dealers draw 2nd card face down, but if the dealer hits 20 with that initial duo, then the dealer automatically wins.
What is the best Chart I should be using against a CSM in blackjack?
Link pls
Thx
There are games, which a beatable even with CSM. The only you need are rules, which give you an advantage on the top.
Let's say I know places where they have Continuous Shuffle Machines but with player advantage of the top, how much compensation should I get to reveal this almost secret.
Omg STAR CASINO here in Australia have a continuos machine with 7-8 decks always placed insdie after every play
In Malta they use csm as well well counting ain't works effectively
In my country (Portugal) all black jack tables are CSM wich is pretty fucked up :/
In my opinion, blackjack can be beaten every single time without counting cards. Yes, counting cards will give u an advantage but can also go against you since it tells you to bet heavy when there are more picture cards in the shoe...well, there is also a high probality of dealer making a hand in that case...and definately casinos have an advantage over anyone since they have more money to give out than any of us can afford to loose. Now, the point comes , how can you beat the game every single time?? Well, let me put it this way
1. As you guys have mentioned in your previous videos that always take the money that you can afford to loose mentally n financially....GOLDEN RULE.
2. I would say have a bankroll of atleast 100 times the minimum bet i.e if table minimum is 15 then have a banroll of 1500 or something close to it ....table minimum of 25- bankroll 2500 or something close to it ...so on and so forth.
3. DONOT DRINK while Playing.
4. DONOT TIP the dealers.
5. DONOT SIDEBET ( thats a sucker bet in the long run ).
6. DONOT always assume that a dealer has a 10 as a down card....if that is the case the well you can never win as they have 10s as the upcard 65 to 70 % of times.
7. DONOT get into conversations with other players or the dealers...REMEMBER, that place is not to make friends...you are there for money and not to just have fun..there are better places to have fun and make friends ( p.s i donot advice to be an a**hole either ) All i am trying to say is FOCUS.
8. PLAY IT LIKE A BUSINESS...you will not win every hand and also you will not loose every hand. So use MONEY MANAGEMENT SKILLS On that table. Meaning, switch your bets . DONOT FLATBET...You CANNOT WIN like that.
9. DONT BE EMOTIONAL in that place.....cards or that place donot have any emotions.
10. Bet Big when winning and small when loosing....Just like winning streaks , you will have loosing streaks.
11. DONOT aim for too big...i can guarantee you that you can always make 50 to 60 % of your banroll sometimes even more or on a really bad day 20 to 30 % of it almost every single time.
12. DONOT play for a long period of time.. Your mind gets tired ...you get frustrated and can start betting crazy. so GET OUT of that place if you feel tired or anything of that sort.
13. Learn to get up and leave the place with your profit....come back some other day and do the same...but not the same day...
14. THINK what you can do with that money in the outside world!!
15. DONOT get addicted to that place...since, this is a kind of addiction...i would say as bad as drugs if not more.
16. DONOT CHASE your loses...Take it slowly...Remember slow but steady wins the race!! and also not to forget casinos advantage over anyone of us in terms of paying out money!! WE have a limit but they don't.
17. DONOT complete with them...DONOT play with ego or get too carried away with your winnings since, it jus takes a minute for things to change in that place!!
18. Also, donot be scared to take a risk!!
19. DONOT be too extravagant in the outside world with that money....MEANING, Take care of your priorities first rather than starting to be flashy!!
20. DONOT DEPEND on that money!! IF you are able to resist the temptations and other things mentioned and are able to beat them on a psychological and mental level...then i believe anyone can beat them almost every time!!
21. BEAT THE HOUSE!! BLACKJACK!! ;)
Just to be honest, what you are sharing isn't math-based, but just an opinion. We trust math. =)
Blackjack Apprenticeship math is not with the cards...but yes with the money!! thats why i used money management....no matter how much math u do there....they have more money to give out than any of the people going there can afford to loose.... i am talking about other factors aswell!! You guys are definately more experienced than me and definately are good at card counting...i donot doubt that :) i was just generally try to point out some points which i thought can help regular people who are not counting cards....since i also understand it is not as easy as it sounds!! can u plz give me an idea in general how much are u able to make in a day from playing blackjack?? ( i hope this question does not offend u...cos it is not meant to ) :) i have watched ur previous videos n i have definately learnt a few things frm u guys :).... thnks for replying
shut the fuck up with your casino shit. You own a casino and want us idiots to play more
Lol, as a dealer, someone ignoring everyone, focusing hard and trying to "stay calm" when everyone around them is a drunken moron, not tipping me, not drinking, and playing perfect strategy while their bet just so happens to be correlating itself to responding to low or high cards coming out is about the most obvious card counter you can spot. You don't even have to know the count to spot those kinds of people.
LMAO the Gambler's Fallacy is strong with this one.
why don't casinos use all CSM games then?
Because no one will ever play.
I'm sorry but, you don't seem ton include the losses on the spreadsheet? Those should be .62$ bringing the thotal to $1.55 an hour.
so true, but 1 time at a $1 table st hooters this guy came up almost 500 every 5/7 hands he would significantly increase his bet by 5 or more and won several times with that pattern
Hey I m french and in France ALL the casinos use CSM. What about US ? and others countries ?
Not all of them. Some still offer regular deck blackjack
@@iceman55 tous ceux du sud est ont des CSM en tout cas. Si t en as en tête je veux bien que tu me dises
@@69kerrigan je pensais surtout au casino d'Annecy où j'étais au mois d'août de cette année. Ils avaient une table sans csm mise mini 5€
@@iceman55 ah interessant, je note ^^ si t en trouves d autres hésite pas à le dire. J ai essayé de chercher sur internet, mais l info est introuvable, seule solution aller physiquement dans les casino pour confirmer de visu si ils ont des csm ou pas, et pour l instant tout ceux que j ai vu en ont équipé toutes leurs tables.
@@69kerrigan ça marche. De mémoire j'avais joué à Deauville et à St Malo il y a quelques années et il n'y avait pas de machine csm non plus. Mise mini 5€ à St Malo mise mini 10€ à Deauville. Mais c'était il y a 4-5 ans. Est ce encore vrai maintenant ?
CSM games are here to stay. Why wouldn’t they be? The casinos make more money with them and the general public has no idea once they sit down - you aren’t going to get some ground swell of support against them
The casual gambler doesn't care, they don't see the difference in odds. Whereas it's very obvious 6:5 blackjack is way worse than 3:2. I'd rather have a CSM than 6:5!
Mikki Mase say that a CSM can sort the cards at the end of the day.
why all casinos don't have CSMs? they could "save" a lot of money from card counters
They want the card counters action. Most of them won't win anyway.
CSMs deter wanna-be card counters, which are probably about 95% of self professed card counters. The casinos want to attract the fake ones, and just use surveillance to back off the real counters. They probably reckon they're winning more from the bad counters than they're losing from the real ones and they're probably right.
Most CSM's are rented not owned so there is a cost to the casino but over the course of a month thay tend to make more money with them.
My casino has only CSM machines :(
ive seen it where they place the cards back in the machine after each hand. i will not play csm tables. even if the min bet is low, i will not play. note to casino: get rid of these freaking machines.
And lose money to card counters? Nice advice
Sam Williams More money has been lost by would be card counters than has ever been won.
cry more
Get the lemmings to stop playing at 6-5 tables, then tackle the CSM.
Not considering the ability to count cards, does a CSM actually change the odds of the game? I've only played it on a cruise ship where it was the only option (and they shuffled after EVERY hand), but I sat down for three separate sessions that lasted about 5 minutes each, that's how bad it was. I lost almost every hand. I know the sample size is so small as to be statistically meaningless, but it was just so incredibly unlucky that it made me wonder.
I did play in (actually finished second) in the blackjack tournament on the ship, and that was hand shuffled, and there I did just fine.
Short story is no, the odds doesn't change. If anything, the odds are closer to what it's supposed to be because the shoe is being reshuffled at a more constant rate.
It's only an issue if you're counting cards, because now you no longer have the advantage of knowing what cards are left in the deck. Think of it as the shoe being reshuffled after every game.
Yea, i don’t like them but , I won $200 yesterday . And $100 last week , and the week before I got down $290 , but came back up and only lost $25 bucks so so far with about 10 hours with them I don’t see the problem, but I could have just been lucky time will tell! Ahha
Most CSMs continue to shuffle after every card is pulled… they don’t just shuffle when one deck is out 😂
You're naive. If NO ONE played the CSM games, the casinos would conclude that virtually everyone that shows up to play blackjack is there to count cards, and their action would be to stop offering blackjack at all. Because why would that make a difference to anyone but an advantage player? It doesn't. That would be sending a clear message to the casinos of "we're all advantage players, that's the only reason we play blackjack".
Casinos aren't going to stop offering blackjack. It's far too popular, and they win tons of money off of the game even with card counters playing it. A lot of the time casinos want people who *think* they can count cards to try to beat the game. They make profit off of those people.
Yup. Counting cards is a self defeating strategy. The more widespread it gets, the more CSMs are used, this concentrates the card counters in other casinos, who then see their profits dip and then use CSMs themselves etc. It's a spiral.
CSM games seem to be the standard nowadays.
if these csm stop card counters why don’t casinos start doing these csm games???
It does.. Go to kindle store" blackjack csm counting"
free download somewhere?
The reason why most gamblers don’t play at CSM tables, is because they think its rigged not because they want to help counters lol.
damn i just wanna learn how to double or triple my measly 100 bucks when i go to play.. id do it 2 or 3 times a week so the casino doesnt hate me and make a solid side income.
It’s lit when you do learn. Fuck csm’s
Started 2500$ now at 6350$.... So thank you. In 2 days grind. #Wonging #1-8betspread
@@henryla5722 AND!!
If your bankroll is $100 you shouldn’t be expecting to make a living from gambling.
What pisses me off about those games is every round they put the cards back into the machine
Macau only has CSM machines. Now what?
I know these things are straight up garbage but if you’re just playing perfect, basic strategy and not card counting, can it improve your odds? or should even perfect basic strategy, players avoid CSM games like the plague? (I would avoid them my self but the 15 and $25 tables are exclusively CSM‘s at my casino but they still pay 3 to 2 on a blackjack if they go 6 to 5 im done with those tables so it’s all I have to play for longer sessions where i increase or decrease my bet based on how I’m doing. Shoe games start at $50 so I hit those when I go for more of a hit and run strategy with basic strategy get some quick wins and get the money out)
With the most common rules in US casinos perfect basic strategy alone leaves the casino with ~.5% edge so you're probably not going to lose a ton quickly but in the long run you're not going to win against a CSM.
@@Blackjackapprenticeship thanks for the advice
Hey Collin , in the city i live which Is Bogotá - Colombia, i have been playing over this machines all the Time, AND muy conclusión Is that Is a total ruin for the players, those machines literally make the casino win all the Time... In the city i live there are only 5 casinos each one with a vip Blackjack shoe table, one of those Is with 6 deck but the cut card Is placed in the middle... The other casino has 8 decks shoe AND there Is the only place that the cut card Is being placed 1deck AND a half of penetración. Which Is better to invest?
The only one I would consider playing is the casino that cuts off only 1.5 decks. The rest are garbage.
@@Blackjackapprenticeship AND what about it's a 8 deck shoe? Does it matter or have an impact ?
Another latin american just wanting to do a little grammar check. Most mistakes are just that you write "I" in minus and "is" in mayus.
I hate these CSM but surprisingly the other day I was counting on one them which was my first time ever trying to count in a casino btw and I got to a positive count as high as +20 and I was betting high and winning when the count was good, but I’m sure it’s very rare the count to get that high on one of them because at most they were putting about a deck or less in the machine each time
Why don't all casinos switch to csm? Why do beatable casinos still exist?
CSMs are expensive and difficult to maintain
Can u plz make a video on playing and betting deviation plz sir
One day，the dealers will be replaced by robot