We talk about the CCS to Tesla adapter you can now get for your Tesla charger, but Tesla also sells a CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter, too. We don't recommend that adapter as CHAdeMO charging stations are much more difficult to find than CCS, unless you need to be able to charge at non-Tesla fast charging stations and your car doesn't support the CCS adapter. Does your Tesla support the CCS adapter? Tesla's website can answer that --> shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter?web=true
It is worth noting that, likely not for reasons directly related to the connector, the CHAdeMO stations have better up time than ccs booths. There’s one dispenser near my work that has had the ccs port out of service for months but the CHAdeMO continues to work fine for me. (Kia soul EV) it’s clearly low priority since there 7 other dispensers with ccs on site.
Funny you consider level 1 charging a last resort, when it's probably the most commonly used. Most folks charge at home overnight. 5 miles / hour of range doesn't sound like much, but that's 50 or 60 miles overnight, plenty for most people's day-to-day driving. It's how I do all my charging when I'm not on road trips. Level 2 in the home is overkill, in my opinion, especially since it's so expensive to install (vs the standard wall outlet you probably already have in your garage or carport). Level 2 is more suited to destination chargers.
I mean if I could get level two charging installed I would but yeah for most people level one over night is just fine, for me especially (I don't have an EV yet but i want one) my work literally let you charge for free at work and my commute is about 6 miles one way so I'd have effectively free charging unless taking a long trip
If you happen to have a fairly common 120-volt NEMA 5-20 outlet in or near your garage, you would be able to charge your EV at a slightly faster rate of up to 6-7 miles per hour rather than up to 5 miles per hour using a typical NEMA 5-15 outlet. The NEMA 5-20 outlet can easily be identified as it has a additional horizontal notch on the left side of the outlet. Better yet, if your NEMA 5-20 outlet is dedicated and properly wired using 12-gauge wires, you could easily and affordably convert this so as to supply 240-volt at 16 amps by merely replacing the 5-20 outlet with a NEMA 6-20 and by also replacing the 120-volt breaker with a 240-volt, 20-amp breaker. Most portable EV chargers plug into a NEMA 6-20 outlet and can usually provide up to 15 miles per hour of charging capability! As such, a 240-volt, 16-amp EV charger can give you up to 180 miles of range over a 12-hour, off-peak period! That's 3 times the range of a 120-volt EV charger! Most electricians could perform the above-mentioned upgrade for less than $500.
Doesn't have to just be overnight either. Often power outlets are supplied to every stall in outdoor parking lots where I am, especially at workplaces, so you can do overnight and during the day at many destinations. I truly don't understand why so many people seem to live so far from where they work.
I saw data posted on a forum devoted to GM news that using DC fast charging does not degrade batteries. The graph showed the degradation from Level 2 charging vs DC fast charging to be roughly the same. This is good news for consumers who rely on DC fast charging.
I like using the colloquial term “charger” instead of EVSC. I get the technical differences but have never really found an official definition for charger and these wall devices do provide electrical current (charge) so I feel it fits even if it has to go through an AC/DC converter in the car to make it to the battery.
TBH, we all call them chargers, too. Regularly. It's worth pointing out the difference in a series like this, but it's uncommon to use EVSE in normal conversation.
True enough. I'm guessing "EVSC" was a typo. The "charger" is definitely the piece of hardware which has some level of intelligence in it to ensure it provides the proper current and amperage to the battery. But you would need to cite shop manuals to find it called that. Or go to an RC hobby shop where you will find all sorts of very smart chargers for batteries. I suppose it gets a little fuzzy if we try to cite cellphones or laptops, since we call their "charger" the USB cable or the power supply with specific plug for your model of laptop. But in reality the voltage and current regulation is also onboard these devices, so those chargers are really (mostly) just dumb power supplies as well. For L1 & L2 that hardware is onboard and likely to communicate with a BMS (Battery Management System) or fill that roll itself, of monitoring temp, cell or string voltages, amperage in or out of the battery. The charger also communicates with the EVSE and essentially asks it how much current is available, and to ask it to turn on or off and give it access to the AC input. For DCFC and SuperChargers, the charger part is on the curb, because it's too large and expensive to be on each vehicle. And also because there was no common pluggable AC multi hundreds of kW (house sized) interfaces... The car still communicates with the charger on the curb to ask it for the specific voltages and current it requires each moment to moment. But the high power pins go directly to the battery pack I'm the car. Anyway, yes, we generally gloss over all this and just call the charge cable, EVSE, USB cable, etc "the charger" and that's close enough for EVeryday conversation.
My electrician, whom I usually use for my houses, put in my NEMA 14-50 relatively cheaply. However, the EVSE was expensive. You can get long 14-50 extension cables to run from your clothes dryer outlet if you can reach it and run that out to an EVSE to charge the car. You can also get extension cables for J1772 connectors if you need extra length. I do have a spare EVSE with both J plugs and 14-50 extension cords. to take on road trips.. Sometimes, it's hard to back in.
They even sell switching panels that will auto shut off power to the EV charging while your dryer is running. Too so you can have both plugged into the same outlet without risk of tripping your breaker
If you are heading out on a big roadtrip I would also recommend bringing a NEMA 6-50 to NEMA 14-50 adapter so that you can borrow any plug used in a welding shop or farmers' repair shop... If you want to be extra prepares you can bring a EV-specific TT-30 RV plug to NEMA 14-50 adapter and charge at any campground at ~3.6 kW....
BTW as an update. Tesla IS rolling out chargers with built in J plug adapters. It was a requirement for getting the government grant money. There aren't many around but they are slowly going to be building more and when they have to replace a current supercharger they will be using the newer dual charger super charger.
Great video. Thank you. I have a 2024 Ioniq 5 and it has a charging scheduler. My Autel charger does too. Is there a best practice to using charger or EV scheduling software?
Either works, TBH. The car's scheduler could also be set to precondition the cabin before you leave, so that gives it a bit of an advantage, just because the Autel charger can't. But if you're just timing when your car charges, either works.
Potential EV buyers: consider the nema 6-20 port rather than a 14-50. While yes, it is less than half the speed of 14-50, it’s over 2.5 times the speed of L1 5-15 120v charging. And SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper to install as is uses the extremely common 12/2 romex which many 120v circuits in your home already use. In terms of range: Teslas own data supports 100-120 miles per 8 hour night. If you don’t get time of use incentives this is a highly viable option. Boost it to 10 hours and that’s 150 miles of range added. Considering the average miles driven a day is 40, the pros far outweigh the cons for many people
What about Level 1 DC charging ? As per SAE J1772, DC level 1 can go as high as 80A using standard pins 1 and 2 (48kW). This is often overseen or unkown.
I love the literal disdain and shade thrown at Tesla for not opening up the NACS/Tesla charging standard to other manufacturers to allow for supercharging use. Those critiques do not age well at this time that this video is 2 years old and Tesla did exactly what he covertly alluded to do that very thing and opened up the charging system to everyone. Don’t sleep on Tesla or Musk. Still, hindsight is 20/20. Overall, still a great video. Thanks
Wait, so for countries outside US that have 220-240v outlets, do they need any additional installation to use level 2 chargers? Or is installing the EVSE charger mandatory regardless?
Hello, I don't agree with your video labelling level 1 charging as "for emergencies". Level 1 can recharge at 3-5 miles per hour, so, when an EV is allowed to charge overnight, can replenish a typical commute to work and back with time to spare.
Sure, but that doesn’t leave much room for any other trips that may come up. Google says average commute is around 41 miles round trip. On the low end, even 12 hours of charging won’t recoup that.
@@seanpeacock5595 sounds similar to what I saw, but the figures using those numbers from what I remember were for one way, not round trip. I think Zippia was one source I saw for the 41z
Not in a cold climate! In cold weather (Michigan) an EV will need to condition "Heat" the battery before it can accept any charge (especially if you have to park outside) on level 1 this can take 100% of the electricity intended to charge your battery just to heat it up. Resulting in several KWH used and 0 actual charge. This hits people who live in apartments or don't own their own homes esp. hard and that wasted electricity adds up.
@@cs_fl5048 that's fine the thing people get upset about is when people in vehicles like the bolt EV that can't even hit 150kw plug into the 350kw if you can pull more than 150kw by all means use the 350 but if you can't even draw 150 and their are available 150s when you pull up its just a dick move
Once upon a time, there was a trustworthy and proud new EV owner named Jake and a friendly property manager named Susan. Jake wanted to trickle-charge his EV using the common area electrical outlet next to his parking stall. However, Susan didn't have the budget to pay for the cost of installing a metered charging station. Wanting to help Jake, Susan suggested they install EVnSteven. Thanks to this one simple app, they both lived happily ever after 💚💚
I thought Tesla was going to open up Superchargers to other vehicles here “soon”? Still no idea when that might be then? I feel like it’s only a matter of time as non-Tesla EV’s ramp up to take more and more of the market share.
It's being piloted in Europe now, which is easier to do because of a required CCS2 connector on Tesla cars. We've seen spy shots basically of Tesla Superchargers in NA preparing for a transition, but details are still scant at this moment. It's bound to happen, we think. There's lots of infrastructure money Tesla would leave on the table by not doing so.
You probably already heard but Ford, GM, Rivian and several charging companies are switching to the NACS (Tesla charging plug) starting next year. Tesla is making 12,000 chargers available to Ford and GM.
Considering they took U.S. taxpayer money to build their Supercharger network Tesla should be legally REQUIRED to open their network to all EV owners via an adapter.
@@realBeltalowda have you not been watching the news ford and Rivian have been able to for months, GM just got access and theirs a long list of companies getting access
@ 4:20; that's a stove plug. A dryer plug is different. The bottom terminal on a dryer plug has a 90° bend. ... Love your videos but that's just not right.
Sure if you want to keep paying for gas, oil changes, coolant flushes... I charge my EV at home for free and EVs have almost no maintenance as compared to gas cars.
@@That-Guy_ Charge for free? Hahaha. Aside from that, I'm not limited to staying around my home because I may not be able to charge my car if I go too far. Oh well, to each their own.
@@stevenbass732 Here in Houston, TX you can get electric plans with free power at night. I have the lowest range Model 3 and drove from Houston to Orlando, FL and back with no issues.
We talk about the CCS to Tesla adapter you can now get for your Tesla charger, but Tesla also sells a CHAdeMO to Tesla adapter, too. We don't recommend that adapter as CHAdeMO charging stations are much more difficult to find than CCS, unless you need to be able to charge at non-Tesla fast charging stations and your car doesn't support the CCS adapter. Does your Tesla support the CCS adapter? Tesla's website can answer that --> shop.tesla.com/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter?web=true
It is worth noting that, likely not for reasons directly related to the connector, the CHAdeMO stations have better up time than ccs booths. There’s one dispenser near my work that has had the ccs port out of service for months but the CHAdeMO continues to work fine for me. (Kia soul EV) it’s clearly low priority since there 7 other dispensers with ccs on site.
Funny you consider level 1 charging a last resort, when it's probably the most commonly used. Most folks charge at home overnight. 5 miles / hour of range doesn't sound like much, but that's 50 or 60 miles overnight, plenty for most people's day-to-day driving. It's how I do all my charging when I'm not on road trips. Level 2 in the home is overkill, in my opinion, especially since it's so expensive to install (vs the standard wall outlet you probably already have in your garage or carport). Level 2 is more suited to destination chargers.
Yeah I also only use level 1 at home. But hey, they have sponsors to please 😂
I mean if I could get level two charging installed I would but yeah for most people level one over night is just fine, for me especially (I don't have an EV yet but i want one) my work literally let you charge for free at work and my commute is about 6 miles one way so I'd have effectively free charging unless taking a long trip
I've been driving EV for just under 10 years and I have used almost exclusively 110v to charge at home and at work.
If you happen to have a fairly common 120-volt NEMA 5-20 outlet in or near your garage, you would be able to charge your EV at a slightly faster rate of up to 6-7 miles per hour rather than up to 5 miles per hour using a typical NEMA 5-15 outlet.
The NEMA 5-20 outlet can easily be identified as it has a additional horizontal notch on the left side of the outlet.
Better yet, if your NEMA 5-20 outlet is dedicated and properly wired using 12-gauge wires, you could easily and affordably convert this so as to supply 240-volt at 16 amps by merely replacing the 5-20 outlet with a NEMA 6-20 and by also replacing the 120-volt breaker with a 240-volt, 20-amp breaker.
Most portable EV chargers plug into a NEMA 6-20 outlet and can usually provide up to 15 miles per hour of charging capability!
As such, a 240-volt, 16-amp EV charger can give you up to 180 miles of range over a 12-hour, off-peak period!
That's 3 times the range of a 120-volt EV charger!
Most electricians could perform the above-mentioned upgrade for less than $500.
Doesn't have to just be overnight either. Often power outlets are supplied to every stall in outdoor parking lots where I am, especially at workplaces, so you can do overnight and during the day at many destinations. I truly don't understand why so many people seem to live so far from where they work.
I saw data posted on a forum devoted to GM news that using DC fast charging does not degrade batteries. The graph showed the degradation from Level 2 charging vs DC fast charging to be roughly the same. This is good news for consumers who rely on DC fast charging.
I like using the colloquial term “charger” instead of EVSC. I get the technical differences but have never really found an official definition for charger and these wall devices do provide electrical current (charge) so I feel it fits even if it has to go through an AC/DC converter in the car to make it to the battery.
TBH, we all call them chargers, too. Regularly. It's worth pointing out the difference in a series like this, but it's uncommon to use EVSE in normal conversation.
True enough. I'm guessing "EVSC" was a typo.
The "charger" is definitely the piece of hardware which has some level of intelligence in it to ensure it provides the proper current and amperage to the battery. But you would need to cite shop manuals to find it called that. Or go to an RC hobby shop where you will find all sorts of very smart chargers for batteries.
I suppose it gets a little fuzzy if we try to cite cellphones or laptops, since we call their "charger" the USB cable or the power supply with specific plug for your model of laptop. But in reality the voltage and current regulation is also onboard these devices, so those chargers are really (mostly) just dumb power supplies as well.
For L1 & L2 that hardware is onboard and likely to communicate with a BMS (Battery Management System) or fill that roll itself, of monitoring temp, cell or string voltages, amperage in or out of the battery. The charger also communicates with the EVSE and essentially asks it how much current is available, and to ask it to turn on or off and give it access to the AC input.
For DCFC and SuperChargers, the charger part is on the curb, because it's too large and expensive to be on each vehicle. And also because there was no common pluggable AC multi hundreds of kW (house sized) interfaces... The car still communicates with the charger on the curb to ask it for the specific voltages and current it requires each moment to moment. But the high power pins go directly to the battery pack I'm the car.
Anyway, yes, we generally gloss over all this and just call the charge cable, EVSE, USB cable, etc "the charger" and that's close enough for EVeryday conversation.
My electrician, whom I usually use for my houses, put in my NEMA 14-50 relatively cheaply. However, the EVSE was expensive. You can get long 14-50 extension cables to run from your clothes dryer outlet if you can reach it and run that out to an EVSE to charge the car. You can also get extension cables for J1772 connectors if you need extra length. I do have a spare EVSE with both J plugs and 14-50 extension cords. to take on road trips.. Sometimes, it's hard to back in.
They even sell switching panels that will auto shut off power to the EV charging while your dryer is running. Too so you can have both plugged into the same outlet without risk of tripping your breaker
If you are heading out on a big roadtrip I would also recommend bringing a NEMA 6-50 to NEMA 14-50 adapter so that you can borrow any plug used in a welding shop or farmers' repair shop... If you want to be extra prepares you can bring a EV-specific TT-30 RV plug to NEMA 14-50 adapter and charge at any campground at ~3.6 kW....
Solid tip.
BTW as an update. Tesla IS rolling out chargers with built in J plug adapters. It was a requirement for getting the government grant money. There aren't many around but they are slowly going to be building more and when they have to replace a current supercharger they will be using the newer dual charger super charger.
The 2023 Outlander Mitsubishi PHEV has the CHAdeMO (among the others).
I recently bought a used 2021 Nissan leaf any popular adapters anyone recommends for road trips?
Great video. Thank you.
I have a 2024 Ioniq 5 and it has a charging scheduler. My Autel charger does too. Is there a best practice to using charger or EV scheduling software?
Either works, TBH. The car's scheduler could also be set to precondition the cabin before you leave, so that gives it a bit of an advantage, just because the Autel charger can't. But if you're just timing when your car charges, either works.
Potential EV buyers: consider the nema 6-20 port rather than a 14-50. While yes, it is less than half the speed of 14-50, it’s over 2.5 times the speed of L1 5-15 120v charging. And SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper to install as is uses the extremely common 12/2 romex which many 120v circuits in your home already use. In terms of range: Teslas own data supports 100-120 miles per 8 hour night. If you don’t get time of use incentives this is a highly viable option. Boost it to 10 hours and that’s 150 miles of range added. Considering the average miles driven a day is 40, the pros far outweigh the cons for many people
What about Level 1 DC charging ? As per SAE J1772, DC level 1 can go as high as 80A using standard pins 1 and 2 (48kW). This is often overseen or unkown.
Thank you so much , excellent video
Did you build your spaceship out of trash cans yet? Mars awaits you. 😂
Yup, we made this video on Mars.
I saw a ChadeMO on the outlander phev
Yup it still has one and uses it.
I love the literal disdain and shade thrown at Tesla for not opening up the NACS/Tesla charging standard to other manufacturers to allow for supercharging use. Those critiques do not age well at this time that this video is 2 years old and Tesla did exactly what he covertly alluded to do that very thing and opened up the charging system to everyone. Don’t sleep on Tesla or Musk. Still, hindsight is 20/20. Overall, still a great video. Thanks
Wait, so for countries outside US that have 220-240v outlets, do they need any additional installation to use level 2 chargers? Or is installing the EVSE charger mandatory regardless?
A regular wall socket would likely work fine for most people. Some cars that can AC charge at higher speeds may still need the EVSE for those speeds.
@@EVPulse Thanks.
@@EyobFitwi regular socket would probably work fine but you still might want to install a dedicated circuit if you want higher amperage
I have a question, dose the level 1 charger damage the battery for the long term use? Can anyone please answer!
It shouldn't. Charging slowly is perfectly fine for a battery.
What type of extension cord can I use with a level 1 charger?
pls more videos , the is good channel for ev to explain . thank you !
We have some in the works! Thanks for watching!
That cordset (with the Ford logo on it) is produced by Webasto, not by Stellantis.
Hello,
I don't agree with your video labelling level 1 charging as "for emergencies". Level 1 can recharge at 3-5 miles per hour, so, when an EV is allowed to charge overnight, can replenish a typical commute to work and back with time to spare.
Sure, but that doesn’t leave much room for any other trips that may come up. Google says average commute is around 41 miles round trip. On the low end, even 12 hours of charging won’t recoup that.
Depends on driving needs and battery size. A Hummer EV, as an extreme example, isn’t going anywhere on an overnight level 1 charge.
@@ALMX5DP couldn’t find that number anywhere on Google unless you’re rural.
Average is 24 minutes and 5 to 20 miles
@@seanpeacock5595 sounds similar to what I saw, but the figures using those numbers from what I remember were for one way, not round trip. I think Zippia was one source I saw for the 41z
Not in a cold climate! In cold weather (Michigan) an EV will need to condition "Heat" the battery before it can accept any charge (especially if you have to park outside) on level 1 this can take 100% of the electricity intended to charge your battery just to heat it up. Resulting in several KWH used and 0 actual charge. This hits people who live in apartments or don't own their own homes esp. hard and that wasted electricity adds up.
We in Australia have 240v standard in homes
I go to the 350 stations because my Ioniq can take 235, which means it would be slower at a 150.
@@cs_fl5048 that's fine the thing people get upset about is when people in vehicles like the bolt EV that can't even hit 150kw plug into the 350kw if you can pull more than 150kw by all means use the 350 but if you can't even draw 150 and their are available 150s when you pull up its just a dick move
Once upon a time, there was a trustworthy and proud new EV owner named Jake and a friendly property manager named Susan. Jake wanted to trickle-charge his EV using the common area electrical outlet next to his parking stall. However, Susan didn't have the budget to pay for the cost of installing a metered charging station. Wanting to help Jake, Susan suggested they install EVnSteven. Thanks to this one simple app, they both lived happily ever after 💚💚
CCS2 is the best charger.
I thought Tesla was going to open up Superchargers to other vehicles here “soon”? Still no idea when that might be then? I feel like it’s only a matter of time as non-Tesla EV’s ramp up to take more and more of the market share.
It's being piloted in Europe now, which is easier to do because of a required CCS2 connector on Tesla cars. We've seen spy shots basically of Tesla Superchargers in NA preparing for a transition, but details are still scant at this moment. It's bound to happen, we think. There's lots of infrastructure money Tesla would leave on the table by not doing so.
You probably already heard but Ford, GM, Rivian and several charging companies are switching to the NACS (Tesla charging plug) starting next year. Tesla is making 12,000 chargers available to Ford and GM.
It has happened in the US now with the standardization of the Tesla NACS connector
The downside of cutting the cord is cost... That set up is expensive. at least it is now.
Video is informative; I liked his buy my book , its funny, just like on Craigs Furguson CBS Executive; chastizing him......
Considering they took U.S. taxpayer money to build their Supercharger network Tesla should be legally REQUIRED to open their network to all EV owners via an adapter.
@@realBeltalowda have you not been watching the news ford and Rivian have been able to for months, GM just got access and theirs a long list of companies getting access
Please say Hardware components of 3.3kw ev charger
@ 4:20; that's a stove plug. A dryer plug is different. The bottom terminal on a dryer plug has a 90° bend. ... Love your videos but that's just not right.
Man this didn’t age well at the end hope you got that spaceship 🚀 😂😂😂
Things do change, for sure. Magic Docks aren't in many places yet, compared to the overall charging network.
10:14 Not the case in Europe.
Tesla opened their chargers to other brands in 2024.
Yup
NACS rules
Hmmmm
so complicated, is there have somebody need to find charger
Your comment is complicated.
that shirt is problematic ..unless he is a treky , in which case ..its cool
There are Trekkies on staff.
Best solution? Don't get an EV.
But what if you want to get one?
@@EVPulse Then get one.
Sure if you want to keep paying for gas, oil changes, coolant flushes...
I charge my EV at home for free and EVs have almost no maintenance as compared to gas cars.
@@That-Guy_ Charge for free? Hahaha. Aside from that, I'm not limited to staying around my home because I may not be able to charge my car if I go too far. Oh well, to each their own.
@@stevenbass732
Here in Houston, TX you can get electric plans with free power at night. I have the lowest range Model 3 and drove from Houston to Orlando, FL and back with no issues.