I think she is saying she wants more time to gather facts of the udaipur case but larger point is during sharmas case no one said free speech should be absolute and everyone said what she said was wrong. They also said we should not hurt sentiments and now they are saying free speech should be absolute. Politics aside do we want absolute free speech or not ?
In a question paper Joseph Mash (T J Joseph) used a dialog from a story written by a Muslim author. And Islamist cut Joseph Mash's hand for that, but never done any thing against the Muslim author. So that is the Islamic law, and now Mohd Zubair getting same treatment of Islamic law. 🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑 If we are asking for free speech we should get equal treatment for all. (I am for free speech)
Here is a fact for you. This is from Skanda Purana about Mohini Avtaar. When Vishnu turned himself to a beautiful and seductive lady, Lord Shiva fell for her. What happened next was unexpected! Overcome by unintentional lust Lord Shiva ran behind the gorgeous Mohini. He grabbed her by her arms and embraced her but she escaped. Finally, he grabs Mohini and violent coupling happens. In This violent coupling Shivas seed falls to the ground. Do you know what you call it if a man has sex with a woman forcibly without her consent,? Can a Muslim quote this on national TV and get away with it saying it is in Hindu scriptures. Therefore even worse things I can put here that is in Hindu scriptures.
How shamelessly Barkha does her propaganda. Did she do any programme like this for Ketki Chitale when she was arrested for a facebook post and was kept in jail for over 40 days? Don't tell us that ohh but I did an interview when she was released. This whitewashing won't work anymore.
Sahih al-Bukhari 5134 (Hadith) Narrated `Aisha: that the Prophet PBUH married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet PBUH for nine years (i.e. till Prophet's death).
If some muslim people wants Nupur to be bedhead, they will not be arrested because these people are spreading hate and welcomed by right wing. Issue is when someone want to pinpoint these people. Those people who try to stop these will be arrested
Did you even see his tweet? He's just exposing the double standards of people who suddenly become "sanskari" by using god-goddess's names. Zubair's real crime is that he's exposing the lies of BJP IT CELL!
The only thing all of you forgot in the panel. Remember Sidhu Moose Wala ?? Listen to his song 295 , its a song dedicated to what you are witnessing in India everyday. Go and listen to that. And mind you he is also no more and it has been put as a gang war killing.
The debate is going in circles, the participants unspoken sentences are - ‘don’t interrupt me while i am interrupting others’ or ‘don’t offend me for offending others’ or ‘only i can decide when someone was offended and when someone was not’ or ‘I don’t belong to that religion so if I am saying that that religion was offended, I am right’
if you look at Jubair's comments, they are all politically motivated. Koi yahan per dudh ka dhula nahi hai, while Barkha may try to prove him as very clean.
I'm somewhat surprised that no one is bringing this up: Nupur Sharma is a girl, or very girlish. Making death threats against a girl is absolutely sickening and abominable. You shouldn't be threatening anyone with death, preferably, but positively not a sweet girl, and that's what Nupur is.
As Tavleen showed her concern, truly listening the news about India, one only wonder how quickly a democracy could be destroyed in mere few year, when the ruling of the country comes in the wrong hands!!! India is in worst state at the moment than unfortunate 18 months of Emergency!!!
That's false. India is cracking down on terror facilitators, Before the previous governments tolerated this garbage. So of course, those who supported it, are going to be saying utterly false mendacious things like "India is headed toward a Nazi style government" or "fascist" or whatever rubbish. Those are the people who stand to lose with the new policies. A new India, is emerging. Get used to it.
Even Satyajit Ray, if alive, would have been jailed for his movie Hirok Rajar Deshe, which has an uncanny resemblance to the current socio political situation in the country.
@@mutley49 we, down here in Bangalore, wish n pray that this Waste Waste Bengal be given to Bangladesh...ur sick politicians exporting illegals all over the country..a shit place is Waste Bengal
I'm going to say this because no-one here has the balls to. It should be okay to lampoon and counter lampoon anything. Fuck this offense and filing FIR nonsense. Societies die in the black depths of FoE eradication.
I think there could be more controversial tweets of Mohammed Zubair that could had been selected by some powerful person. Instead a simple tweet of 2018 was selected and complaint was lodge by a very ordinary person just to show the power of right wing.
When the history of Indian Journalism will be written Burkha mam's name will be way down the bottom. It is tragic what speaking lies, half truths general statements have reduced you and your channel to..None of the panelists offered any in depth factual analysis..only the usual generic gasbaggery
The Senior and respected Police officer on this show has sadly got it wrong this time. Hinduism is not abt taking offence to Hanuman- honeymoon jokes. If that was the case then that movie Would have been banned in those days., just like Satanic verses was banned. The fact is that Hinduism does not preach hatred. It's a great religion but we might end up lowering it's greatness if every snide remark will make us angry.
So, what do you mean by "public order effected"? Do you want the recap of riots done by second largest majority, this time by majority community? If it is okay to denigrate Hindu gods, it is also okay to denigrate others divinity.
By the current standards of Modi model of India, every Sikh has a right to register a FIR against every person who ever made a joke of his appearance, which is an integral part of his religion and all those who made such jokes should be put behind BAR. I am not for that and there would not be enough. Jail in the entire world, to lock all those who have made the crudest jokes about Sardar 5 Ks which is the fundamental representation of Sikh religion?? This duplicity of Modi model of rule where a fact checker journalist who busts many lies propagated in favor of the regime, is arrested for twitting clips of over 3 decade old classic movie..Shame on such regime and shame on any individual, supporting such duplicity!!
I wonder how many renowned and respected movie makers, including Harishikesh Mukerji would have been put behind Bar, if they would have made those classics today during Modi model of regime??? Or he would have been spared because of his name not being a Khan??? How long any true patriotic Indians would choose to stay oblivious to this Modi Model, competing with Talibani rule????
Our Zubair for all his occasional little peccadilloes does not deserve to be arrested, certainly not if gormlessly Nupur Sharma either. Certain saffron cretins,- self-styled agents of god under BJP fold are culpable for saying on numerous occasion far more outrageous ,derogatory, certainly incendiary things but got away with impunity.
I don't think so. The issue is more like many commentators getting away with ridiculing, satirising, making poor taste remarks, cartoons, commercials etc of anything Hindu.
India image globally, because of many reasons and one being duplicity and double standard of Modi, had been severely damaged since last few years..for reference look into any renowned international media, and refer to addition of word FEKU in urban world dictionary!!!
That international media is against India, has always more or less been, no matter which government was in office. It has very little credibility for balance, nuance, objectivity, complexity.
This is from Skanda Purana about Mohini Avtaar. When Vishnu turned himself to a beautiful and seductive lady, Lord Shiva fell for her. What happened next was unexpected! Overcome by unintentional lust Lord Shiva ran behind the gorgeous Mohini. He grabbed her by her arms and embraced her but she escaped. Finally, he grabs Mohini and violent coupling happens. In This violent coupling Shivas seed falls to the ground. Do you know what you call it if a man has sex with a woman forcibly without her consent,? Can a Muslim quote this on national TV and get away with it saying it is in Hindu scriptures. Therefore even worse things I can put here that is in Hindu scriptures.
Even if this incident is authentic and accurate, would Hindus go ape-crazy all over the world, calling for beheading or hanging of the person who brought it up? Also, by citing these supposed events, you are trying to project Hinduism as a book based, dogmatic religion which is written in stone. But it isn't, Islam is.
@@varoonshekhar4023 the will go ape crazy in India. There will be riots if that person is not arrested. They may not call for beheading. But that is a small consolations considering that there are already calls for Muslim Genocide from some quarters. But the riots etc. Will happen only if that person is not arrested. But you know very well this regime is prompt to arrest those who make anti Hindu hate speech.
@@Suresh_Kamath You are trying to make it look like any Islamic terror or threats of terror, are simply natural, understandable reactions to something some Hindu said somewhere. But it is not. This recent incident has nothing to do with controversial rhetoric of Hindus, it is a typical Islamic response to any perceived slight or insult to their prophet. Anybody anywhere would suffer the same fate, or have it marked on them, for doing the same thing.
@@varoonshekhar4023 No that is total BS. The terror threats from organizations, like Al qaeda, ISIS, pak based terrorists are always there. What Modi regime is doing is deliberately putting petrol on the fire that is simmering instead of tamping it down. This will drive more Muslims to arms of terrorists. It as if the Modi regime want a civil war to happen and get rid of Muslims. The total blame of what happened and the reaction to it lies with Modi regime and the loose lipped motor mouths of BJP.
You have no idea how to interpret or understand scriptures. All these are metaphors. And moreover no Purana or anything else is a prescribed scripture that is absolute and singular.
The arguements putforth by a retired police officer are outrageous and extremely biased. My god, how he would have discharged services with such prejudiced mind
It is not right in Islam to criticise or comment on the gods of their counterparts.. Allaah does not permit us to curse the gods of others … diplomacy must always take precedence - it is wrong to hurt others sentiments and religious beliefs. The arrest is not in order as what would be the right thing to do is to put forth guidelines and laws on what content can be tweeted and what cannot
Why did he omit muslim panelists comment on Shiva Linga?
Because he's a fact checker and he checked out this fact...this is epitome of hypocrisy
Yes we should demand more free speech. We need absolute free speech and get rid of anti blasphemy law.
look at Barkha trying to brush aside when Jha mentioned about the beheading by the jiahadists
I think she is saying she wants more time to gather facts of the udaipur case but larger point is during sharmas case no one said free speech should be absolute and everyone said what she said was wrong. They also said we should not hurt sentiments and now they are saying free speech should be absolute. Politics aside do we want absolute free speech or not ?
In a question paper Joseph Mash (T J Joseph) used a dialog from a story written by a Muslim author. And Islamist cut Joseph Mash's hand for that, but never done any thing against the Muslim author. So that is the Islamic law, and now Mohd Zubair getting same treatment of Islamic law. 🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑 If we are asking for free speech we should get equal treatment for all. (I am for free speech)
barkha thinks there is asymmetry...Nupur stated facts. Zubair, who is a 'journalist' makes fun of Hindus...
Here is a fact for you.
This is from Skanda Purana about Mohini Avtaar.
When Vishnu turned himself to a beautiful and seductive lady, Lord Shiva fell for her. What happened next was unexpected! Overcome by unintentional lust Lord Shiva ran behind the gorgeous Mohini. He grabbed her by her arms and embraced her but she escaped. Finally, he grabs Mohini and violent coupling happens. In This violent coupling Shivas seed falls to the ground.
Do you know what you call it if a man has sex with a woman forcibly without her consent,?
Can a Muslim quote this on national TV and get away with it saying it is in Hindu scriptures.
Therefore even worse things I can put here that is in Hindu scriptures.
@@Suresh_Kamath this is your interpretation and your assumption.The current state is I am laughing at you
@@subus7263 No douche bag. The same text there in Skanda Purana. Go and read it. Even Muslims can't say that is Nupurs interpretation
@@Suresh_Kamath No one who brings up this 'interpretation' is going to have their life in danger.
@@Suresh_Kamath I am still laughing AT you. Ane every Hindu reading this is doing the same.Nobody is going to harm you
Hindus, Enough of your patience and tolerance. Time to wake up and give it back as good as you get.
How shamelessly Barkha does her propaganda. Did she do any programme like this for Ketki Chitale when she was arrested for a facebook post and was kept in jail for over 40 days?
Don't tell us that ohh but I did an interview when she was released. This whitewashing won't work anymore.
Why should Nupur Sharma should be arrested? Did she misrepresent or abuse?
Isnt the same person who cut out only part of Sharmaji's debate and posted it on the social media?
Yes he triggered rabid ismalmists lynch mob against nupur
@@na4369 Nupur herself said that if anything happens to her, or her family, Zubair would be responsible.
Sahih al-Bukhari 5134 (Hadith)
Narrated `Aisha:
that the Prophet PBUH married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that `Aisha remained with the Prophet PBUH for nine years (i.e. till Prophet's death).
Is sar tan se juda not hate speech??
If some muslim people wants Nupur to be bedhead, they will not be arrested because these people are spreading hate and welcomed by right wing. Issue is when someone want to pinpoint these people. Those people who try to stop these will be arrested
There is not just one tweet but multiple tweets . This is the same guy who outraged and instigated rabid mob against Nupur.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean you abuse lord hanuman
Did you even see his tweet? He's just exposing the double standards of people who suddenly become "sanskari" by using god-goddess's names.
Zubair's real crime is that he's exposing the lies of BJP IT CELL!
Please comment on the Udaipur beheading as.well panelists..shame shame shame
The only thing all of you forgot in the panel. Remember Sidhu Moose Wala ?? Listen to his song 295 , its a song dedicated to what you are witnessing in India everyday. Go and listen to that. And mind you he is also no more and it has been put as a gang war killing.
He will soon be Jail-Bear !
Lol.
Even nupur was harassed for a 1000+ years old hadith. And too was fact!
The debate is going in circles, the participants unspoken sentences are - ‘don’t interrupt me while i am interrupting others’ or ‘don’t offend me for offending others’ or ‘only i can decide when someone was offended and when someone was not’ or ‘I don’t belong to that religion so if I am saying that that religion was offended, I am right’
if you look at Jubair's comments, they are all politically motivated. Koi yahan per dudh ka dhula nahi hai, while Barkha may try to prove him as very clean.
Blasphemy? Is it medieval age or what? I mean this beats me completely that we have something as regressive as Blasphemy laws in year 2022.
I'm somewhat surprised that no one is bringing this up: Nupur Sharma is a girl, or very girlish. Making death threats against a girl is absolutely sickening and abominable. You shouldn't be threatening anyone with death, preferably, but positively not a sweet girl, and that's what Nupur is.
That rightwing attorney is incoherent and all over the Map.
As Tavleen showed her concern, truly listening the news about India, one only wonder how quickly a democracy could be destroyed in mere few year, when the ruling of the country comes in the wrong hands!!!
India is in worst state at the moment than unfortunate 18 months of Emergency!!!
That's false. India is cracking down on terror facilitators, Before the previous governments tolerated this garbage. So of course, those who supported it, are going to be saying utterly false mendacious things like "India is headed toward a Nazi style government" or "fascist" or whatever rubbish. Those are the people who stand to lose with the new policies. A new India, is emerging. Get used to it.
Even Satyajit Ray, if alive, would have been jailed for his movie Hirok Rajar Deshe, which has an uncanny resemblance to the current socio political situation in the country.
That movie resembles more of what is happening in waste bengal not India.
@@amitshah9675 If you insist sir 👍 Incidentally West Bengal is an integral part of India isn't it? 🤔
@@mutley49 we, down here in Bangalore, wish n pray that this Waste Waste Bengal be given to Bangladesh...ur sick politicians exporting illegals all over the country..a shit place is Waste Bengal
In America the take much more than phones & laptops! Miss Washington post!
Why doesnt he comment on his god?
I'm going to say this because no-one here has the balls to. It should be okay to lampoon and counter lampoon anything.
Fuck this offense and filing FIR nonsense. Societies die in the black depths of FoE eradication.
I think there could be more controversial tweets of Mohammed Zubair that could had been selected by some powerful person. Instead a simple tweet of 2018 was selected and complaint was lodge by a very ordinary person just to show the power of right wing.
Rise of Hindutva terror
Congratulations to My Sujoy and Barkha. You guys got the judgment for Nupur’s comment.
When the history of Indian Journalism will be written Burkha mam's name will be way down the bottom. It is tragic what speaking lies, half truths general statements have reduced you and your channel to..None of the panelists offered any in depth factual analysis..only the usual generic gasbaggery
The Senior and respected Police officer on this show has sadly got it wrong this time. Hinduism is not abt taking offence to Hanuman- honeymoon jokes. If that was the case then that movie Would have been banned in those days., just like Satanic verses was banned. The fact is that Hinduism does not preach hatred. It's a great religion but we might end up lowering it's greatness if every snide remark will make us angry.
Same happened to Modi ! Kind courtesy the host!
You are silent about the threats issued by Zubair against Nupur.
So, what do you mean by "public order effected"? Do you want the recap of riots done by second largest majority, this time by majority community? If it is okay to denigrate Hindu gods, it is also okay to denigrate others divinity.
What petty shit people fight for
By the current standards of Modi model of India, every Sikh has a right to register a FIR against every person who ever made a joke of his appearance, which is an integral part of his religion and all those who made such jokes should be put behind BAR.
I am not for that and there would not be enough. Jail in the entire world, to lock all those who have made the crudest jokes about Sardar 5 Ks which is the fundamental representation of Sikh religion??
This duplicity of Modi model of rule where a fact checker journalist who busts many lies propagated in favor of the regime, is arrested for twitting clips of over 3 decade old classic movie..Shame on such regime and shame on any individual, supporting such duplicity!!
One guy beheaded in rajasthan because of his tweet on nupur sharma.
@@Bully000 What do you mean. I hope you are not being a sicko.
@@varoonshekhar4023 I’m not sick but this guy is making irrelevant comment that’s why
@@Bully000 Isn't that the reason the tailor was beheaded, because he posted something in support of Nupur Sharma? That's not irrelevant to this topic.
I am glad Barkha , u r now minding ur language !
I wonder how many renowned and respected movie makers, including Harishikesh Mukerji would have been put behind Bar, if they would have made those classics today during Modi model of regime??? Or he would have been spared because of his name not being a Khan???
How long any true patriotic Indians would choose to stay oblivious to this Modi Model, competing with Talibani rule????
Love you Barkha! Just keep doing your thing. Just keep being yourself. Don't bother about your critics!
Sashank is not sticking to point, instead he compares with some other people, and Justifies.
Wait did this top left panelist literally say "he does not have the right to talk about Indian gods?"
BD Y U CALL SNOWFLAKES LIKE THIS?
barkha's U-turn...wait for it!
Prickly is only the Muslim community's right .? Someone got beheaded today in udsipur for standing up and supporting nupur sharma .
My twitter is suspended as becoz I watch mojo regularly ...
Our Zubair for all his occasional little peccadilloes does not deserve to be arrested, certainly not if gormlessly Nupur Sharma either. Certain saffron cretins,- self-styled agents of god under BJP fold are culpable for saying on numerous occasion far more outrageous ,derogatory, certainly incendiary things but got away with impunity.
I don't think so. The issue is more like many commentators getting away with ridiculing, satirising, making poor taste remarks, cartoons, commercials etc of anything Hindu.
Zubair claims he is not a journalist!
India image globally, because of many reasons and one being duplicity and double standard of Modi, had been severely damaged since last few years..for reference look into any renowned international media, and refer to addition of word FEKU in urban world dictionary!!!
That international media is against India, has always more or less been, no matter which government was in office. It has very little credibility for balance, nuance, objectivity, complexity.
hA HAHAHAHA
This is from Skanda Purana about Mohini Avtaar.
When Vishnu turned himself to a beautiful and seductive lady, Lord Shiva fell for her. What happened next was unexpected! Overcome by unintentional lust Lord Shiva ran behind the gorgeous Mohini. He grabbed her by her arms and embraced her but she escaped. Finally, he grabs Mohini and violent coupling happens. In This violent coupling Shivas seed falls to the ground.
Do you know what you call it if a man has sex with a woman forcibly without her consent,?
Can a Muslim quote this on national TV and get away with it saying it is in Hindu scriptures.
Therefore even worse things I can put here that is in Hindu scriptures.
Even if this incident is authentic and accurate, would Hindus go ape-crazy all over the world, calling for beheading or hanging of the person who brought it up? Also, by citing these supposed events, you are trying to project Hinduism as a book based, dogmatic religion which is written in stone. But it isn't, Islam is.
@@varoonshekhar4023 the will go ape crazy in India. There will be riots if that person is not arrested. They may not call for beheading. But that is a small consolations considering that there are already calls for Muslim Genocide from some quarters.
But the riots etc. Will happen only if that person is not arrested. But you know very well this regime is prompt to arrest those who make anti Hindu hate speech.
@@Suresh_Kamath You are trying to make it look like any Islamic terror or threats of terror, are simply natural, understandable reactions to something some Hindu said somewhere. But it is not. This recent incident has nothing to do with controversial rhetoric of Hindus, it is a typical Islamic response to any perceived slight or insult to their prophet. Anybody anywhere would suffer the same fate, or have it marked on them, for doing the same thing.
@@varoonshekhar4023 No that is total BS. The terror threats from organizations, like Al qaeda, ISIS, pak based terrorists are always there. What Modi regime is doing is deliberately putting petrol on the fire that is simmering instead of tamping it down. This will drive more Muslims to arms of terrorists. It as if the Modi regime want a civil war to happen and get rid of Muslims. The total blame of what happened and the reaction to it lies with Modi regime and the loose lipped motor mouths of BJP.
You have no idea how to interpret or understand scriptures. All these are metaphors. And moreover no Purana or anything else is a prescribed scripture that is absolute and singular.
The arguements putforth by a retired police officer are outrageous and extremely biased. My god, how he would have discharged services with such prejudiced mind
It is not right in Islam to criticise or comment on the gods of their counterparts.. Allaah does not permit us to curse the gods of others … diplomacy must always take precedence - it is wrong to hurt others sentiments and religious beliefs. The arrest is not in order as what would be the right thing to do is to put forth guidelines and laws on what content can be tweeted and what cannot
Stop your taqiya.... won't work anymore...!!
Perhaps you need to do a little more research