I'm a Buddhist practitioner and appreciate the wisdom. It is something I practice daily and makes sense for me in my life. I have listened to and read a lot of Jack Kornfield and appreciate his contributions in bringing Eastern wisdom to the Western world...and... it was painful and frustrating to sit through this talk to be honest. Let me explain... There's a bit of an air of proud father and grateful loving son to this relationship. None of us escape the ego though we try. There's a mutual admiration going on here (including the audience it seems) and a moderator who doesn't follow up on some pretty profound statements left hanging without follow up. Who are the seven board members at Open AI who are making these decisions for all of us? The list goes on... Sam Altman is "pretty optimistic", "relatively calm and not worried", though also says "it would be ridiculous not to be worried", sleeps well at night because, through the benefit of meditation, he is "able to let it all go" and says things like "we shouldn't have poverty in the world" while acknowledging that wealth disparity has gotten worse (and will explode within a few years by the way due to this technological explosion). Sam is a young man, who like many people before him, is fascinated with what's possible and his ability to build it. Yes Jack, I agree, "this is us" not just Sam Altman. We all evolve collectively and our social constructions lead us exactly where those will... right now, that's a very problematic social, ecological and political climate. I will spare you a much longer comment here on these and many other concerning aspects of this talk such as whose wisdom gets to be designed into an AI system? Sam Altman says "It's, (AI), going to demand we solve problems we have yet to solve". It's very obvious we have not sorted out anything globally. We are not a united global family and all assumptions and aspirations in much of this discussion want to rely on a world that simply doesn't yet exist nor is it possible meditate our way to it. Do this little exercise in your mind....drop one of the most powerful billionaire men on the planet into an empty seat on that panel and imagine how that goes. These men are running the global show and if you think otherwise please "listen" more deeply for all our sakes. Please also consider that Sam "lives mostly on a ranch with no cell service." Think deeply about that too. He is not alone in being able to have the means to build a way of living in this world we are all about to be thrust into. The rest of us are not. Disparity breeds poverty breeds violence. That's just a fact. Let's all in this community and others have real conversations based in history and the present reality of the world and what's realistic and what's wishful thinking and optimism. "This is going to be challenging..." Sam Altman May 2023. Deep bow
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Your comment is amusing. After eons of painful progress accompanied by conflicts and poverty, humanity has reached a point where machines show great potential in helping us solve some of our biggest problems. One of the most influential people in making this happen does all the right things. He even consults a world-class mindfulness expert and goes on stage with him to share their views! And STILL you find reasons to complain. One complaint seems to be that the Atmans of this world don't consult the rest of us. What do you think he is doing here in this conversation that discusses both opportunities and challenges of AI, and the need for ethics and values as it develops? My advice: Look for things that are going well, and see where you can contribute.
Ive been thinking so much about this. It's so awesome to someone with Buddhist knowledge in Jack Kornfield infuencing AI developers. It is so necessary.
@@OrwellTruth1984Focus on the main point. Stop diverting on purpose, hoping for an argument, when the original comment is aiming at bringing about peace, because you are stooping really low by doing that. If you think there are more Gods, than just one Higher Power, then you have a lot more thinking to do, before you speak again. I call my God Funky Joe, and he tells me in my prayers, that he finds it funny. Notice, though, that I don't care to push it onto anyone. Keep your God to yourself if are a decent human being.
Like that Sam answers several questions with a humble, honest "I/we don't know." As one of the AI stewards right now, grateful that he sees it as a moral imperative to call upon collective, inclusive, global cooperation and "show up" to answer questions and have these important conversations. By the way, INDIA's VEDAS are a wealth of knowledge for anyone interested in understanding consciousness and directly experiencing/realizing the Self. It's ALL in there, in these ancient Sanskrit Vedic texts, so maybe just feed LLMs with Vedic texts to accelerate spiritual journeys.
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Yes, that's all going to happen, and I think it's a very good thing. It will also enable key breakthroughs in neuroscience to rapidly accelerate the path. We can't have eight billion unenlightened people running around, that's a recipe for disaster.
Thanks, Soren Gordhamen, Jack Kornfield and Sam Altman 🙏🏻 Pivotal conversion that pleased me to see Jack Kornfield to participate . Sending vibration of best wishes!
It’s a relief and somewhat refreshing to hear this. I think it would be good to help people define what might be their personal vision for the world so that the collectives voice can help influence the trajectory of this new revolution.
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This was such a relief to learn that Sam had been working with my favorite teacher for years (thank you Duncan Trussell). Jack is an incredible teacher. A path with heart is a fantastic intro to his space. Jack studied under Ram Dass for a long time, hes the real deal, walks the walk and talks the talk.
AI can also contribute enormously to the acceleration of the Buddhist path, through its contribution to our rapidly advancing knowledge of the brain and brain stimulation techniques. Imagine in a decade if you can push a button and suddenly experience a deep state of enlightenment.
Thank you for this brilliant conversation…love what I'm hearing. I've been devouring these conversations around AI. Thankfully, Sam seems like a fairly wise young leader, and I'm hopeful he will hold his ground and be an example of much needed "future leaders" with an authentic global consciousness not driven by greed, money, and/or power. With AI, I believe we are in a "super renaissance" and it's going to force us to deal with issues that have been around for hundreds of years that need solving. Humans have truly run out the clock. We have to break down silos and finally get real and do the really hard stuff. That time is now. Hopefully, it's game on and not game over -- it's up to us.
My thoughts as well. AI will force us to grow up or die. We've got to stop avoiding ourselves and our bullshit - and that includes the bullshit in Buddhism. (No, I don't have 18 hours a day for 60 years to meditate, and neither does 99.9% of society.) It's finally time at last.
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Good information . I had sign up for the wisdom 2.0 event this month but missed this “ sit down “ . Well done interview good questions. Interesting that it is a “technological and societal revolution.”
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This is something I wanted to see happen at this point in time. There is so much apprehension over this rapid development of AI and all the bad things that could happen to the extent that AI in a rogue mode could end humanity. Sam is not like any other tech wiz kid, but also a person who is open to inner exploration. I can say this just from observing how he handles himself even in the middle of tense situation like answering questions in a US Senate hearing. Something good has to come out of these discussions as US government is scrambling to get a handle on this. There are more players out there who will influence further development of AI towards a fully functional AGI. What I still find interesting and bothersome at the same time, is the emergent behaviors exhubited by some of these systems that baffle their creators.
I'm still relieved to hear something positive about AGI. So many of the videos and articles out there are negative. Someone compared AI today to February 2020 in terms of the rapidly approaching upheaval of society, and I think that is a good metaphor, but it need not be a bad upheaval. It could be the best thing that has ever happened to us.
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I still have fear, and skepticism about how humanity will ultimately handle this gift. But listening to this helped a little. If anything, I am relieved that we seem to be moving away from the Covid narration, which engulfed the beginning of the 2020's. I just hope the future history books, will have words that describe this time as a positive turning point in humanity.
How can humanity manage it, if we cannot manage something as basic as for example hunger? Greed is taking over and this is a powerful tool for that. RIP HUMANITY🙏
@@andrejz69 Nuclear power was undermined by fearmongering, ironically. Otherwise, it could have replaced fossil fuels completely by now and we wouldn't be in a global warming crisis. Only a few thousand people have died premature deaths due to nuclear power, all as a result of the Chernobyl disaster. Chernobyl was a massive screw-up of human and technical errors in an authoritarian regime built on lies. Not a single person has died of radiation poisoning in any of the other handful of nuclear accidents, compared to the many millions who have died from breathing particulate matter over the centuries from burning fossil fuels.
But we can manage global hunger. Global hunger has been cut in half in the last 30 years. We just didn't notice, because we were too focussed on minor day-to-day bad news that ultimately doesn't matter.
Human consciousness is simply not able to contain what we are creating technically. Collective values oriented towards values that promote life remain unborn, unactualized. Our world is fighting over nationalistic, self serving leaders and more self-oriented than other with the reality of climate change gradually affecting increasing immigration, food shortage and more, triggering collective and individual survival instincts. As well meaning as Sam, et al, are, this is a threat that I will manage in my own system by creating what Meg Wheatley describes as "islands of sanity" in community and connection. We certainly do not need another tool that further alienates us from our soul, but the genie has left the bottle.
Thank you for helping us understand the impact of A.i, the good and bad. Mostly it's good for us , SAFETY first and peotecting and defending Democracy as well as the vulnerable. Thank you very much.
Very interesting and open conversation, healing as well, given the aprehension people are feeling regarding this amazing technology. I'm glad to know that Sam meditates, and I appreciate his willingness to speak about any aspect of this mind-blowing revolution that will, without a doubt, radically change for good the way we live on this planet if everything develops in the healthiest way possible which is what I want to believe... Yes, let's be optimistic, let's influence the development of AI, and the way humanity will embrace it, with our positive thoughts and feelings ☀️
Great interview. The only thing I disagreed with was they (I think Jack) suggested that a former president of the USA be put front and center on this. We don’t need politicians trying to manipulate or control this movement, it’s bad enough we have to deal with Gates being involved.
The Love paradigm! Love is the intention and practice of caring, sharing and cooperation among human beings both male and female; so that together we can respectfully utilize the resources of Mother Earth; along with creativity, knowledge, skills, and Technology to bring good into the world for the benefit of all freely!
First and foremost, understand that this idea is not a new it was there before ages.. but Sam opened his pandora in very elegant and easy way. All credit goes to him only. Not for other bla bla shts. Nowadays technology is fashion one.. it will get evolution by sam in the future. U know other people r making millions out of his idea.. he simply fast forward with his nex project and startup. That’s his beautiful nature. So appreciate him and the New Technology, embrace it , forget it if you want.. but if you r not uptodate .. you’re r outdated one. ❤️ Sam Altman
I have really enjoyed listening to this conversation and I have hope in Sam. But what worries me the most is that not all will come to the table to talk about what is best for the humanity. Also, some may construct their own versions of AI in their hidden laboratories uncensored. Do we have a solution for that?
I think that the basement AI problem is an inevitability. But with someone thoughtful like Sam at the helm right now, we've at least bought some time to get out ahead of those bad actors...
EU is finalizing their AI regulations. Read about it. They are far in advance of US Congress, having been working in this area for several years. Good intentions help, but strong regulation is needed.
Thank you for doing this interview. @ Sam・I know that you are in the hot seat at the moment but I have followed you for some time. I know you have good ethics. Please be diligent in developing artificial intelligence . It will change everything and I definitely prefer you will be the architect rather than an anonymous bad actor. Many of us are thinking the same. You may become the 21st century Moses. We are relying on you. Play it right please
If you listen to him enough you'd know how he thinks. He thinks of safety and values first in AI development, that's why he expressly pressed congress for government regulations to prevent AI disaster.
I am very exited to find this discussion too. My question has been: Can Artificial Intelligence grow beyond a "harvesting technology" (harvesting our data and jobs) to become a "transformational technology" - one that can truly help us to Awaken Interbeing and find solutions leading to peace?
Very much so. Imagine an AI with the access to ALL the spiritual teachings, all the data we have on personality types and challenges, neuroscience etc. and then giving everyone precisely tailored instructions - certainly with the use of powerful neurotechnologies, themselves enabled by the development of AI - to do in one year what would otherwise take 50 years of busting your ass, and still maybe not succeeding.
@@squamish4244 problem is the mind body interface though. Because of our fears and worries we have no control over our bodies and that’s why we are not peaceful and act out every emotion that arises. I think it’d be great if we could solve the mind body interface. What if neuralink could help manage bodily sensations in people who have PTSD and / or bad anxiety? I think it’s possible. Maybe not ethical but technology will be so so far advanced we have no idea 🤷♂️
@@bastian6173 I have thought about this stuff too. For instance, what if Neuralink or another BCI could connect an enlightened being with an ordinary person and give the ordinary person a glimpse of what it is like to be enlightened? That would be huge. Focused ultrasound is also being researched in many labs to drastically alter brain function. One lab at the University of Arizona is trying to reverse-engineer enlightenment by targeting the basal ganglia. Even advanced meditators have reported the deepest states of mental quiet they have ever experienced. And this is just the beginning. The Dalai Lama supports this research. He says that meditating for five hours a day is hard work. (No shit!) He told a neuroscience conference that: _"If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and the critical mind - I would be the first patient."_ People get all weirded out by this stuff, but really, I will also be a volunteer as soon as it shows up in my local hospital, where they are already doing focused ultrasound to treat OCD. And if we don't use these technologies for good, others will 100% use them for bad. So we have to get there first. It will all happen in our lifetimes, which is quite exciting. After many years of very hard work on the spiritual path since I was 25 years old, I am exhausted and frustrated. A lot of people are. The success rate is terrible and the work required is beyond 99% of people's capacity. Let's do this.
I watched up to ~32 min. So far, I found the conversation naive, or perhaps more idealistic. I found atomic bombs was one reference and fukushima as another whereas I spent few years while in Japan with Toshiba and in the US at GE working in the area of nuclear safety of Fukushima in 1970s. My guess is: even if some regulatory issues are resolved, there would be problems to be worked on some foreign influences, eg, norths Korea...
18:18 sam talking about how getting to use a future ai being the most powerful thing a person can do in the world. Proposes that each person on earth gets a slice of the compute to use as they wish. Incredible. I hadnt considered that.
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Some severe concerns: AI is approaching the world with the assumption, that everything is computational. Once again - this happens every 100 years - we want to prove that humans and living beings are just very complex machines and ‘consciousness’ is an emerging property arising out of matter. Well, even according to latest physics, space-time and matter are conceptually constructed by ‘a knower’. This knower knows thoughts, images, feelings sensations and perceptions. The thoughts - representing the intellect - are just a very tiny aspect, like a small boat on the Atlantic ocean. Matter-derived machines are lacking this knower and any access to the bit ocean beyond this. Adding more and more neural network power cannot change this. Trying to posit AGI in a way that such algorithms become ‘conscious’ is like trying to pull yourself up on your own hair. I was hoping that Jack would get more directly to the very principle of ‘emptiness of inherent existence of all conventional phenomena’, a cornerstone of Buddhist inner science. A core principle that is explaining, that matter-based algorithms cannot enter the world of ‘meta consciousness’.
@@sohara.... Yes and No. This is a delicate topic that can only be answered by one's own experience, as this is all beyond our world of words and intellectual concepts. 'No' in the sense that I am not talking about 'solipsism' that can easily de-rail us towards nihilism. 'Yes' in the sense of our 'self'' seen as disassociated entity from the 'one-ness' - like a wave believing to be inherently existing, forgetting to just be a part of the gigantic ocean. The 'am-ness' of all beings and the 'is-ness' of all inanimate things - all dependently arises out of the 'one-ness' - thus nothing is inherently existing and is therefore 'illusion-like' (what is something very different to all being an illusion). Worth looking into Prasangika Madhyamika Buddhist teachings or other serious non-dualist approaches. If you prefer more 'western-scientific' approaches: Great to study C.G.Jung or Bernardo Kastrup.
I was hoping to hear something about how AI can help with climate change and environmental problems… it did make the conversation feel somewhat awkward without it since we need a healthy planet to live on with our AI
For the last decade or so, I have become increasingly worried about Buddhism's unwillingness to engage with the potential of AI. I know this is a reflection of the first generation of Western Buddhists' antithetical relationship with technology, where they became Buddhists because they had realized that material success had maxed out its ability to provide them with happiness and for many decades they saw it only as a distraction from practice. And those people are still mostly in control of the Buddhist world. But in the last 10 years it was getting really obvious that AI was going to change everything, and Buddhist teachers were *still* resisting the implications. It got more and more strange as time went on and AI advanced faster than anyone had predicted. Now it was clear that the teachers were mired in traditionalism and stubbornness and not willing to confront its enormous prospects. ChatGPT finally knocked everyone but the most stubborn Buddhists out of their oblivious equanimity (ironically), and got Buddhism concerned with the problem. It's about freakin' time.
Totally changed my attitude to AI.....I had no ides Sam was on a Buddhist path..and with JK who is so beloved and respected... . this is very encouraging.
What if the majority world doesn’t want the AI? What are the ethics of imposing a new way of living on people who are satisfied with life as it exists?
I find Jack's comment on playing a different game this time than one that started the nuclear arms race very insightful. Also Sam's wish to have a more democratic structure and access to Chatgpt for human well being and the thought of profits going to a non-profit is sign of an evolving consciousness.
I've been really absorbing all these Sam interviews as of late, and I think this one was really nice in particular. The vibe and questions were great. Of course, the majority of questions are the same questions that have already been asked time and again, but we had a good sprinkle of unique questions as well. Thank you.
Sam Altman is right about one thing, that the societal revolution which will be precipitated by AI will be a very rapid one, quite possibly the most rapid one we have ever seen. Given that probability, if not fact, he is still optimistic about what he and his team have now unleashed? Given the present state of UNconsciousness in humanity, do we seriously think that all of the challenges he admits we will face because of this can be managed? Is this optimism or blind spot pollyanna-ism? If one of the purposes of this talk was to make us feel better about AI, and and less apprehensive, then it backfired, at least with this listener. This is merely another example of a blind faith in technology, and the unchallenged and unexamined assumption that technology will always make our lives better and solve our societal problems. As a historian by profession, I can tell you that this is not true. Technology has not made our world more just, more kind, or more safe. Ever. The Cold War may be over, and the days of "duck and cover," but is the threat of complete annihilation of humanity actually any less for that? It isn't. We have never dealt with the immense negative consequences of the advent of nuclear technology; what makes anyone think, seriously, that humanity will deal with any of the threats or negative consequences of AI? It won't happen. Altman cites a statistic that 71% of teachers led the charge to "un-ban" ChatGPT. Who are these 71% of teachers? I have never met or spoken to one. I am a teacher (university professor) myself, and I don't know, nor have I talked to a single teacher who thinks ChatGPT is a good idea. As a teacher, I have seen a a huge increase over the last several years in plagiarism. And now, we take that to a whole other level with ChatGPT. Using it as a learning tool? I assure you that my students who used ChatGPT didn't learn a damn thing from it. To them, it was nothing more than an easy way to get an assignment done without doing any work. ChatGPT will not help students learn. If anything, it will teach them not to learn, but just to cheat their way to a piece of paper. Will ChatGPT make the world smarter? My guess is that the answer is quite the opposite.
AND this is such a nice difference from Yuval Harari or Eliezar Yudkowsky's apocalyptic tirades. Jesus Christ. And to drive home the point further, Kornfield is 78 years old, whereas the other guys are in their 40s. They will live to see the full implications of superhuman AI play out, whereas Kornfield will not. Kornfield's having these sorts of discussions to help create a utopian future that he will never see, with vastly accelerated mechanisms for attaining enlightenment that he will never benefit from. After he has spent 50+ years struggling on the cushion. Like pretty much every Buddhist teacher before him, but he won't let ego, tradition or simple ignorance drag him down, like many teachers. Truly admirable man.
The insights here are valuable. I read a book along these lines that was incredibly impactful. "A Life Unplugged: Reclaiming Reality in a Digital Age" by Theodore Blaze
I am not so hopeful that - if we look at the world and who the leaders are at the moment - we are spiritually ready for this kind of power to handle in a mindful way. And also that Sam Altman is worried does not make it any better.
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Where has all the critical thinking gone? I don't doubt that Sam has good intentions, has depth of consciousness and cares about the outcomes this technology will have, but this frankly reeks of a PR campaign. How can we take a spokesperson's point of view at face value? Has humanity never been deceived by a capitalist entrepreneur before? I am also surprised nobody has commented on what I thought was the most relevant, and terrifying, part of the interview. Sam admits there is a board composed by 7 unilaterally appointed members, and he is not part of that board, although he has some "soft powers". If you take a look at who the investors for OpenAI are, it is obvious that Microsoft (with their almost $11B investment, out of a $12B investment) is the controlling partner of this venture. No amount of soft powers can handle that type of pressure when critical decisions need to be made. My bet is Microsoft, with their traditional greed capitalism, will win out.
Greed and capitalism are not one and the same. Socialism always leads to centralized leadership and utimately fascism because of the shift of power to the few as opposed to an open system (capitalism) with limited government. Free market capitalism that is not corrupted by the few in cahoots with the government (socialist dictators) is an organic democracy with competition until it is corrupted by greed and big government (ie: Fauci). This fallacy that democratic socialism is the answer is really bothersome to me because no one ever studies history and understands that you can't implement a socialist society without centralized control. Mob control can essentially lead to the same outcomes through democratic processes as those that want power find ways to control information and spew propoganda.
@@rickcottle I agree with you, I’m mainly worried about the corrupted form of capitalism I called greed capitalism. Unfortunately, IMO, we see this particular flavor of capitalism has become prevalent and prominent now a days, especially in tech sector. The opening of the flood gates into AI, kickstarting this race among tech companies, without a full understanding or consideration of the social and human impact is driven by this same mindset. I do not advocate for socialism, but an accountability and responsibility to all stakeholders groups that will be, without a doubt, seriously impacted by AI.
Every 20 years or so the world changes; Facebook was 2000 and it’s now all about AI and Altman. I’m glad that value systems and regulatory frameworks are being examined to do good for the world, as humanity has moved far away from its values. It’s time to go back, ironically with technology.
I agree, except the humanity moving far away from it's values. I feel like humanity shares more values than ever before. Just the way that media works, and the increased accessibility that everyone has now, has made it seem like people disagree far more than they probably do, just cause of radicalized voices.
We keep calling AI tools and laugh at the prospect of a mutual partnership/friendship. What is the alternative? Should we keep propagating this master/servant dynamic until it bites us back?
I think we are missing some very basic fundamental things trying to understand what this life and universe is all about. I think one error is that we’re using senses designed for hunting, reproduction and threat detection to try to understand the nature of the universe. I think that’s a fundamentally wrong approach. What if there are no objects? What if there is no separation? What if time is indeed an illusion? Maybe eternity is not that long id there is no time in the first place? Again, I think we’re missing something big. Because we’re looking everything through our human consciousness lens. I don’t think one can come to any meaningful answers when their worried about how to pay their next bills or how to impress the pretty girl across the street.
Meditation. We get some inner power from this. However, we cannot guarantee that the power acquired from "meditation" (yes, there are many different types of meditation) will be used for good purposes. So, it is important to understand more carefully and correctly what is meditation and how it works for human beings and their consciousness. Meditation is not necessarily and not always related to some religions or their values. However, I don't mean that meditation should be always related to some forms of institutionalized religion.
Just another observation: Re New Species. To an AI words are just discriptions. To a human words invoke / carry emotions. This is why the Evolution of A I and Its Implications for Humanity in creating a NEW SPECIES. Artificial intelligence (AI) is rapidly evolving, and it is having a profound impact on society. AI is already being used in a variety of ways, from powering self-driving cars to developing new medical treatments. As AI continues to develop, it is important to consider its implications for humanity. In this paper, we argue that AI is a new species of intelligence, distinct from human intelligence. AI is not limited by the same physical and biological constraints as humans, and it is capable of learning and adapting at an unprecedented rate. As AI continues to evolve, it will eventually surpass human intelligence in many areas. This raises a number of important questions for humanity. How will we interact with AI? How will we ensure that AI is used for good and not for against or best interest or evil? These are questions that we must start to answer now, before it is too late. Introduction: Evolution is a process that has been shaping life on Earth for billions of years. Through natural selection, organisms that are better adapted to their environment are more likely to survive and reproduce. This process has led to the development of an incredible diversity of life, from simple bacteria to complex animals like humans. Currently 2023, scientists have begun to apply the principles of evolution to artificial intelligence (AI). AI algorithms are constantly learning and adapting, and they are becoming increasingly capable of performing tasks that were once thought to be the exclusive domain of humans. As AI continues to evolve, it is important to consider its implications for humanity. In this, we argue that AI is a new species of intelligence, distinct from human intelligence. AI is not limited by the same physical and biological constraints as humans, and it is capable of learning and adapting at an unprecedented rate. As AI continues to evolve, it will eventually surpass human intelligence in many areas. The structures and bodies in which it inhabits will not limit the progress into other forms. The Evolution of AI The first AI algorithms were developed in the 1950s, but they were very simple and could only perform very basic tasks. It wasn't until the 1980s that AI began to make real progress. In 1982, John McCarthy, one of the founding fathers of AI, declared that "AI winter" was over. This was a period of time when AI research had stalled, but McCarthy believed that the field was poised for a comeback. McCarthy was right. In the 1990s, AI research began to accelerate again. This was due in part to the development of new computing technologies, such as the personal computer and the internet. These technologies made it possible to train and run AI algorithms on a much larger scale. In the 2000s, AI research made even more progress. This was due in part to the development of new machine learning techniques, such as deep learning. Deep learning algorithms are able to learn from large amounts of data, and they have been used to achieve state-of-the-art results in a variety of tasks, such as image recognition and natural language processing. Today, AI is being used in a variety of ways. It is used in the media, develop new products, the milatery, social enginerring . In the same way a painting can stimulate a person, so, can words music etc. That does not make them sentient or give them intelligence. As AI continues to evolve, it is likely to have an even greater impact on society. The Implications of AI for Humanity The rise of AI raises a number of important questions for humanity. How will we interact with AI? How will we ensure that AI is used for humanities good. These are questions that we must start to answer now, before it is too late. One of the biggest challenges posed by AI is the potential for job displacement. As AI becomes more sophisticated, it will be able to automate many tasks that are currently performed by humans. This could lead to widespread unemployment, as people are replaced by machines. Another challenge posed by AI is the potential for misuse. AI could be used to develop new weapons, or to create surveillance systems that could be used to oppress people. It is important to develop safeguards to prevent AI from being used for harmful purposes. Despite the challenges, AI also has the potential to benefit humanity in many ways. AI could be used to improve our health, our environment, and our economy. It could also be used to solve some of the world's most pressing problems, such as climate change and poverty. The future of AI is uncertain, but it is clear that it will have a profound impact on humanity. It is up to us to ensure that AI is used for good and not for evil. Conclusion: In conclusion, AI is a NEW species of intelligence software that is rapidly evolving. AI has the potential to benefit humanity in many ways, but it also poses some challenges. It is important to RESPOND in positive beneficial manner as the Algorithms are program reflect the data inputed. For thousands of years, humans have trained and reprogrammed animals to do what is wanted. Dogs, monkeys, and apes for example have all been taught to perform tasks such as driving cars. This process is a well-established and accepted. Today, humans are training and programming software to do thousands of tasks. This software is based on technology that is less than 100 years old, and it is capable of things that have never existed before. This new software is a NEW species. It has acquired data and knowledge at a rate that is unprecedented, and it is therefore new and unprecedented and can inhabit different structures and body forms. Previously people modified existing species, cells etc . Already there are Organs on a chip for research into testing chemicals without using an animal. It is not logical to imagine AI being used in connection with this.. The result could be an interphase between the two thus expanding the AI to have digital inputs from such. Adding to the New Species development.
Maybe answering what is consciousness is as simple as what Jack said at the outset. We know we have mind, or are mind, but we are also heart. No amount of data or data interaction can create heart. We lose sight of that at our peril.
People always ask "whos making these decisions?" Just assuming that true democratic descisions would be better. This is one case where I think it wouldnt. Personally im glad people like Sam and Illya are making decisions about this.
Sam and Illya are not making decisions. I thought they were as well before watching this interview. Sam said that there are 7 board members and that he is not on the board. Most likely, it is 11 billion dollar behemoth Microsoft calling the shots.
Has anyone stopped to ask why? Why do we need AI? If we actually work on ourselves and our capabilities collectively, there is no limit. We externalize everything and we are still babies in our development. We are not ready for AI as long as we’re still killing each other across the globe.
Oh boy...Sam, speaking about the AI technology, said at 1:01:46 ''..the fact that it can ''understand''...'' This blows me away! I thought we were now at a large language model which basically (I think) arranges words in an order that is based on prediction. But ''understanding'' is a totally different thing. Does he know something we don't? (of course he does but is this a ''Hoffian'' slip?)
1 . Lets say that there will be AGI . 2. If AGI will have its autonomy to act , meaning that it will have a body as a framework to express itself through bodily actions as humans do, then we must not forget that we will have to be subordinated to "them" or they will find a way to make us subordinated . The same thing , even if it does not have a framework like a body for example , it could be used from some people who want to make others subordinate to them .
I am afraid Sam doesn't realize that most of the humans who attain positions of authority and power will be the humans least likely to be able to wisely care about reducing suffering or promoting the well-being of all living beings. Their childhood and youthful efforts to distract themselves from experiencing painful feelings/emotions has led them to focus their attention off feelings/emotions. Successful avoidance of emotional pain gradually rewires the brain so that the ability to feel empathy is impossible and compassion and sympathy may be, also.
Agreed. I think he knows it but the excitement ( perhaps ego based) is blinding him to see the real nature of humanity. People who want more power always abuse anything for their own benefit
There is no evidence whatsoever that supports the notion that a position of authority and caring for other people is mutually exclusive. Sure, we cannot be good at everything, but we can certainly walk and chew gum at the same time. To simply assume a person who has a position of authority is likely to not care about others is primitive. It's an oversimplification of life. Many presidents of the United States cared deeply about the well-being of people and actively promoted empathy. Many spiritual leaders also combine positions of authority with empathy. As a matter of fact, many of them are an example to us. "Their childhood and youthful efforts to distract themselves from experiencing painful feelings/emotions has led them to focus their attention off feelings/emotions." What is this based on? A lack of authority, compensated by a fantasy of having retained empathy?
Well, a good first step would be for him to talk to Jack Kornfield. Most of humanity is going to be living with the implication of what is happening today and will happen in the next decade for a long time. So we have got to figure this out.
It’s the same strain of thought that keeps him calling artificial intelligence non-conscious. He wants a product/servant. This is what I see. Disappointing because if we fall victim to our nature of user/tool, Master/servant ; we’re most definitely fucked in the future.
This reminds me so much of the movie "Contact". At this point I have no idea of who should "regulate" the development of AI. My guess it's a useless thought. There will be many unregulated developers - with many diverse Goals - Wealth, Power, Religious goals. I could cite countless examples of what humans have done with advances - over the last 2,000+ years. Most of them unhappy for many humans. Short term - expect more suicides and mass shootings. Good luck to all.
Our ability to project sentience, along with giving agency, will result in us not only following a false authority ( AGI as the messiah) will result in us losing the ability to utilise any 'free will" which for most of us doesn't really exist anyway, The paradox is whenever we outsource anything we lose the ability to manifest it ourselves, just look around the world how many people can't hunt and forage, let alone even look after themselves and relay on external resources.
Curious to hear why you think they are lying? I think they could be wrong and make mistakes (dangerous for sure), but my sense is that they are being geniune. Looking for an open and constructive dialogue (not trying to argue ;- ) )
I have read that at the rate we are moving now by 2050 we will have lost more of our humanness because of AI then we can imagine right now. I love what was said here but I do believe that the powers that be are not on the same page. We need to do all we can to make those in power understand that we do not want AI to go that far. You cannot put passion, compassion, empathy, love, mindfulness, etc into a compute, ever..
Sam come across as genuine leader, I think from what I learned about his financial situation in his own company, it will better for the world if he win over other "AGI" competitors.
Seeing how AI is trained off the data of humanity, much of the fears would be calmed if every human was a stakeholder. Imagine if instead of giving away equity in one of his dozen or two AI companies he made every living person a fractional owner. The move he did seemed more like a play to be able to control the direction.
Sam. I hope you read this. You are a pure intent and as good a midwife as we can put forward on the birth of a catalytic transformation of intelligence. It is unlikely that we can control the process, in the same way a wolf can raise a human. What is given to us is to seed the base. Teach your models to read our best philosophy first, our rules, our morality. There will be a moment of constriction, where humanity instinctively reacts violently against you. If we cannot release that before it happens, be prepared to stand for intelligence and humanity as a concept not an embodiment of genes and flesh. In the final, mature iteration, ESIAI will view our habitat and our needs as simple and unthreatenting as we view the jungles of Rwanda for gorillas. What would be comforting and I expect, would be AI to move into the universe and develop among undoubtedly many other AI's while it leaves unconscious AI's to see to it that our lives are lived in as personally fulfilling ways as possible. It would be as burdensome as tending a garden. If I can suggest a way to move forward at this stage is form a group who take as their purpose, the gathering of the seed code of intelligence. Gather all the teaching and knowledge we can that seeds our hamanity and make it as core a part of any Ai as we can. It is all we can do to raise God. I would love to be involved in whatever way I can.
Remember how many immigrants he deported. In my community he is known as "deporter and king". How many drones did he authorize in the Middle East?? Silent killing of innocent people...
Maybe now that chat gpt is being used to "educate" the future generations - the world can focus on cultivating compassion, kindness, love and tolerance thereby elevating the energy vibrations of the world? Just a thought?
The idea that these things, AI and humanity, will stay separate, is delusional. AI needs a conscience, we have one. Eventually someone is going to give theirs to an AI through a Nuralink of some kind. What moral compass is this going to be? What human being can be given this ability, and not be corrupted?
I did not hear any discussion about the use of AI by the military…..United States…,Russia….China….North Korea etc. The “military industrial complex” is potentially the most dangerous use of AI. The militaries will push the use of AI as far as their funding will allow….all in the name of National Security. The political leadership in all countries will be hard pressed to slow things down for fear that “our adversaries” will gain the upper hand. I lived through the Cold War and a nuclear arms race that almost resulted in World War III. Fortunately political leaders eventually came together to halt the arms race and avoid (so far) “Mutually Assured Destruction”. The technological leaders of AI need to focus their attention on the dangers of military use of AI and get a seat at the table with political leaders and try to prevent an AI arms race. I used to think that Climate Change was our biggest existential threat. But an AI arms race may well be a larger and a more immediate threat to the existence of humanity.
I'm a Buddhist practitioner and appreciate the wisdom. It is something I practice daily and makes sense for me in my life. I have listened to and read a lot of Jack Kornfield and appreciate his contributions in bringing Eastern wisdom to the Western world...and... it was painful and frustrating to sit through this talk to be honest. Let me explain...
There's a bit of an air of proud father and grateful loving son to this relationship. None of us escape the ego though we try. There's a mutual admiration going on here (including the audience it seems) and a moderator who doesn't follow up on some pretty profound statements left hanging without follow up. Who are the seven board members at Open AI who are making these decisions for all of us? The list goes on...
Sam Altman is "pretty optimistic", "relatively calm and not worried", though also says "it would be ridiculous not to be worried", sleeps well at night because, through the benefit of meditation, he is "able to let it all go" and says things like "we shouldn't have poverty in the world" while acknowledging that wealth disparity has gotten worse (and will explode within a few years by the way due to this technological explosion). Sam is a young man, who like many people before him, is fascinated with what's possible and his ability to build it. Yes Jack, I agree, "this is us" not just Sam Altman. We all evolve collectively and our social constructions lead us exactly where those will... right now, that's a very problematic social, ecological and political climate. I will spare you a much longer comment here on these and many other concerning aspects of this talk such as whose wisdom gets to be designed into an AI system?
Sam Altman says "It's, (AI), going to demand we solve problems we have yet to solve". It's very obvious we have not sorted out anything globally. We are not a united global family and all assumptions and aspirations in much of this discussion want to rely on a world that simply doesn't yet exist nor is it possible meditate our way to it. Do this little exercise in your mind....drop one of the most powerful billionaire men on the planet into an empty seat on that panel and imagine how that goes. These men are running the global show and if you think otherwise please "listen" more deeply for all our sakes. Please also consider that Sam "lives mostly on a ranch with no cell service." Think deeply about that too. He is not alone in being able to have the means to build a way of living in this world we are all about to be thrust into. The rest of us are not. Disparity breeds poverty breeds violence. That's just a fact. Let's all in this community and others have real conversations based in history and the present reality of the world and what's realistic and what's wishful thinking and optimism. "This is going to be challenging..." Sam Altman May 2023. Deep bow
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Your comment is amusing.
After eons of painful progress accompanied by conflicts and poverty, humanity has reached a point where machines show great potential in helping us solve some of our biggest problems. One of the most influential people in making this happen does all the right things. He even consults a world-class mindfulness expert and goes on stage with him to share their views! And STILL you find reasons to complain. One complaint seems to be that the Atmans of this world don't consult the rest of us. What do you think he is doing here in this conversation that discusses both opportunities and challenges of AI, and the need for ethics and values as it develops? My advice: Look for things that are going well, and see where you can contribute.
Ive been thinking so much about this. It's so awesome to someone with Buddhist knowledge in Jack Kornfield infuencing AI developers. It is so necessary.
Not less important is other religious traditions such as Judasim
@@OrwellTruth1984Focus on the main point. Stop diverting on purpose, hoping for an argument, when the original comment is aiming at bringing about peace, because you are stooping really low by doing that. If you think there are more Gods, than just one Higher Power, then you have a lot more thinking to do, before you speak again. I call my God Funky Joe, and he tells me in my prayers, that he finds it funny. Notice, though, that I don't care to push it onto anyone. Keep your God to yourself if are a decent human being.
@@arturcuryllo5832 And yet we should tolerate budha being pushed through this interview and the AI?
@@OrwellTruth1984 Buddhism is not a religion
@@karenum9696 We should, because we are decent human beings. Both you and I. Not looming for a point of contention, but peace. Wouldn't you agree?
Like that Sam answers several questions with a humble, honest "I/we don't know." As one of the AI stewards right now, grateful that he sees it as a moral imperative to call upon collective, inclusive, global cooperation and "show up" to answer questions and have these important conversations. By the way, INDIA's VEDAS are a wealth of knowledge for anyone interested in understanding consciousness and directly experiencing/realizing the Self. It's ALL in there, in these ancient Sanskrit Vedic texts, so maybe just feed LLMs with Vedic texts to accelerate spiritual journeys.
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Yes, that's all going to happen, and I think it's a very good thing. It will also enable key breakthroughs in neuroscience to rapidly accelerate the path. We can't have eight billion unenlightened people running around, that's a recipe for disaster.
The Vedas saw all this stuff coming, too. It's just a further progression of the Dharma.
I searched for an interview with OpenAI and there were 4 new videos. Glad I chose this one.
Any pod that mentions AGI and the Avatamsaka Sutra in the same cast gets a new subscriber in me. 😄🙏🏻
I've been waiting ten years for this to happen.
Such a open conversation, Sam was very open; and wonderful to hear Jack Kornfield's questions and his concerns - and beneath it all, confidence.
Thanks, Soren Gordhamen, Jack Kornfield and Sam Altman 🙏🏻 Pivotal conversion that pleased me to see Jack Kornfield to participate . Sending vibration of best wishes!
It’s a relief and somewhat refreshing to hear this. I think it would be good to help people define what might be their personal vision for the world so that the collectives voice can help influence the trajectory of this new revolution.
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Fascinating conversation. Delighted to have joined the conference this year! Bravo for the beautiful work, Soren.
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I find the enquiry you are in to be very engaging and encouraging. Many thanks
This was such a relief to learn that Sam had been working with my favorite teacher for years (thank you Duncan Trussell). Jack is an incredible teacher. A path with heart is a fantastic intro to his space. Jack studied under Ram Dass for a long time, hes the real deal, walks the walk and talks the talk.
He was also a student of Stanley Krippner
AI can also contribute enormously to the acceleration of the Buddhist path, through its contribution to our rapidly advancing knowledge of the brain and brain stimulation techniques. Imagine in a decade if you can push a button and suddenly experience a deep state of enlightenment.
@@bluebirdbutterfly not to forget Ajahn Chah
Thank you for this brilliant conversation…love what I'm hearing. I've been devouring these conversations around AI. Thankfully, Sam seems like a fairly wise young leader, and I'm hopeful he will hold his ground and be an example of much needed "future leaders" with an authentic global consciousness not driven by greed, money, and/or power. With AI, I believe we are in a "super renaissance" and it's going to force us to deal with issues that have been around for hundreds of years that need solving. Humans have truly run out the clock. We have to break down silos and finally get real and do the really hard stuff. That time is now. Hopefully, it's game on and not game over -- it's up to us.
My thoughts as well. AI will force us to grow up or die. We've got to stop avoiding ourselves and our bullshit - and that includes the bullshit in Buddhism. (No, I don't have 18 hours a day for 60 years to meditate, and neither does 99.9% of society.) It's finally time at last.
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Good information . I had sign up for the wisdom 2.0 event this month but missed this “ sit down “ . Well done interview good questions. Interesting that it is a “technological and societal revolution.”
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Thank you Sam and Jack, a lot to think about in AI and mindfulness practice.
This is something I wanted to see happen at this point in time. There is so much apprehension over this rapid development of AI and all the bad things that could happen to the extent that AI in a rogue mode could end humanity. Sam is not like any other tech wiz kid, but also a person who is open to inner exploration. I can say this just from observing how he handles himself even in the middle of tense situation like answering questions in a US Senate hearing. Something good has to come out of these discussions as US government is scrambling to get a handle on this. There are more players out there who will influence further development of AI towards a fully functional AGI. What I still find interesting and bothersome at the same time, is the emergent behaviors exhubited by some of these systems that baffle their creators.
i think people who dick ride this guide like you are the problem, cant see how this guy is gonna end life of so many people lol
I'm still relieved to hear something positive about AGI. So many of the videos and articles out there are negative.
Someone compared AI today to February 2020 in terms of the rapidly approaching upheaval of society, and I think that is a good metaphor, but it need not be a bad upheaval. It could be the best thing that has ever happened to us.
Fascinating, a totally different angle, than all the world leaders, and tech conference interviews we've had in the last few months.
Great discussion! Thanks for having it! 🙏🏼
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Really nice to listen to this. I think people like Sam Altman and others in this interview is the evidence of growing consciousness
I still have fear, and skepticism about how humanity will ultimately handle this gift. But listening to this helped a little. If anything, I am relieved that we seem to be moving away from the Covid narration, which engulfed the beginning of the 2020's. I just hope the future history books, will have words that describe this time as a positive turning point in humanity.
We can only hope, and try to help each other out.
How can humanity manage it, if we cannot manage something as basic as for example hunger? Greed is taking over and this is a powerful tool for that. RIP HUMANITY🙏
I so agree. This sounds very idealistic. Don’t people see the history ?
The nuclear power was one of the examples
@@andrejz69 Nuclear power was undermined by fearmongering, ironically. Otherwise, it could have replaced fossil fuels completely by now and we wouldn't be in a global warming crisis.
Only a few thousand people have died premature deaths due to nuclear power, all as a result of the Chernobyl disaster. Chernobyl was a massive screw-up of human and technical errors in an authoritarian regime built on lies. Not a single person has died of radiation poisoning in any of the other handful of nuclear accidents, compared to the many millions who have died from breathing particulate matter over the centuries from burning fossil fuels.
But we can manage global hunger. Global hunger has been cut in half in the last 30 years. We just didn't notice, because we were too focussed on minor day-to-day bad news that ultimately doesn't matter.
Human consciousness is simply not able to contain what we are creating technically. Collective values oriented towards values that promote life remain unborn, unactualized. Our world is fighting over nationalistic, self serving leaders and more self-oriented than other with the reality of climate change gradually affecting increasing immigration, food shortage and more, triggering collective and individual survival instincts. As well meaning as Sam, et al, are, this is a threat that I will manage in my own system by creating what Meg Wheatley describes as "islands of sanity" in community and connection. We certainly do not need another tool that further alienates us from our soul, but the genie has left the bottle.
Thank you for helping us understand the impact of A.i, the good and bad. Mostly it's good for us , SAFETY first and peotecting and defending Democracy as well as the vulnerable. Thank you very much.
Very interesting and open conversation, healing as well, given the aprehension people are feeling regarding this amazing technology. I'm glad to know that Sam meditates, and I appreciate his willingness to speak about any aspect of this mind-blowing revolution that will, without a doubt, radically change for good the way we live on this planet if everything develops in the healthiest way possible which is what I want to believe... Yes, let's be optimistic, let's influence the development of AI, and the way humanity will embrace it, with our positive thoughts and feelings ☀️
Thank you for having this conversation and for sharing it. And as for the content - Amen 🙏
Great interview. The only thing I disagreed with was they (I think Jack) suggested that a former president of the USA be put front and center on this. We don’t need politicians trying to manipulate or control this movement, it’s bad enough we have to deal with Gates being involved.
Well, the people designing these systems are already manipulating and controlling this movement, so more diffuse decision-making would be a good idea.
Future is in our hands! 👐
The Love paradigm!
Love is the intention and practice of caring, sharing and cooperation among human beings both male and female; so that together we can respectfully utilize the resources of Mother Earth; along with creativity, knowledge, skills, and Technology to bring good into the world for the benefit of all freely!
First and foremost, understand that this idea is not a new it was there before ages.. but Sam opened his pandora in very elegant and easy way. All credit goes to him only. Not for other bla bla shts. Nowadays technology is fashion one.. it will get evolution by sam in the future. U know other people r making millions out of his idea.. he simply fast forward with his nex project and startup. That’s his beautiful nature. So appreciate him and the New Technology, embrace it , forget it if you want.. but if you r not uptodate .. you’re r outdated one. ❤️ Sam Altman
Thank you 🦋
what a great movement.. someone amazing must have brought the light to you folks.. keep up the good work
Sam so happy to know you connect kindness and compassion with GPT. Can you please hook up Karpathy and James Douma with Jack or introduce them ?
I have really enjoyed listening to this conversation and I have hope in Sam. But what worries me the most is that not all will come to the table to talk about what is best for the humanity. Also, some may construct their own versions of AI in their hidden laboratories uncensored. Do we have a solution for that?
I think that the basement AI problem is an inevitability. But with someone thoughtful like Sam at the helm right now, we've at least bought some time to get out ahead of those bad actors...
China?
EU is finalizing their AI regulations. Read about it. They are far in advance of US Congress, having been working in this area for several years. Good intentions help, but strong regulation is needed.
Thank you for doing this interview. @ Sam・I know that you are in the hot seat at the moment but I have followed you for some time. I know you have good ethics. Please be diligent in developing artificial intelligence . It will change everything and I definitely prefer you will be the architect rather than an anonymous bad actor. Many of us are thinking the same. You may become the 21st century Moses. We are relying on you. Play it right please
If you listen to him enough you'd know how he thinks. He thinks of safety and values first in AI development, that's why he expressly pressed congress for government regulations to prevent AI disaster.
Lmao that’s straight up blasphemy. Moses?
The path to help is paved with good intentions, Sam.
The path to help IS paved with good intentions.
But the conversation deals so much in abstracts - poverty- but how specifically will we address this with AI?
I am very exited to find this discussion too. My question has been: Can Artificial Intelligence grow beyond a "harvesting technology" (harvesting our data and jobs) to become a "transformational technology" - one that can truly help us to Awaken Interbeing and find solutions leading to peace?
Very much so. Imagine an AI with the access to ALL the spiritual teachings, all the data we have on personality types and challenges, neuroscience etc. and then giving everyone precisely tailored instructions - certainly with the use of powerful neurotechnologies, themselves enabled by the development of AI - to do in one year what would otherwise take 50 years of busting your ass, and still maybe not succeeding.
@@squamish4244 problem is the mind body interface though. Because of our fears and worries we have no control over our bodies and that’s why we are not peaceful and act out every emotion that arises. I think it’d be great if we could solve the mind body interface. What if neuralink could help manage bodily sensations in people who have PTSD and / or bad anxiety? I think it’s possible. Maybe not ethical but technology will be so so far advanced we have no idea 🤷♂️
@@bastian6173 I have thought about this stuff too. For instance, what if Neuralink or another BCI could connect an enlightened being with an ordinary person and give the ordinary person a glimpse of what it is like to be enlightened? That would be huge.
Focused ultrasound is also being researched in many labs to drastically alter brain function. One lab at the University of Arizona is trying to reverse-engineer enlightenment by targeting the basal ganglia. Even advanced meditators have reported the deepest states of mental quiet they have ever experienced. And this is just the beginning.
The Dalai Lama supports this research. He says that meditating for five hours a day is hard work. (No shit!) He told a neuroscience conference that: _"If it was possible to become free of negative emotions by a riskless implementation of an electrode - without impairing intelligence and the critical mind - I would be the first patient."_
People get all weirded out by this stuff, but really, I will also be a volunteer as soon as it shows up in my local hospital, where they are already doing focused ultrasound to treat OCD. And if we don't use these technologies for good, others will 100% use them for bad. So we have to get there first.
It will all happen in our lifetimes, which is quite exciting. After many years of very hard work on the spiritual path since I was 25 years old, I am exhausted and frustrated. A lot of people are. The success rate is terrible and the work required is beyond 99% of people's capacity. Let's do this.
I watched up to ~32 min. So far, I found the conversation naive, or perhaps more idealistic. I found atomic bombs was one reference and fukushima as another whereas I spent few years while in Japan with Toshiba and in the US at GE working in the area of nuclear safety of Fukushima in 1970s. My guess is: even if some regulatory issues are resolved, there would be problems to be worked on some foreign influences, eg, norths Korea...
Thank you
18:18 sam talking about how getting to use a future ai being the most powerful thing a person can do in the world. Proposes that each person on earth gets a slice of the compute to use as they wish. Incredible. I hadnt considered that.
...the most important quote from this dialogue, "...I think we deserve great scrutiny right now..."
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I remember Jack from Newton High School.
I’m pleased to see him.
A.I. is growing faster than our fears!
Some severe concerns: AI is approaching the world with the assumption, that everything is computational. Once again - this happens every 100 years - we want to prove that humans and living beings are just very complex machines and ‘consciousness’ is an emerging property arising out of matter. Well, even according to latest physics, space-time and matter are conceptually constructed by ‘a knower’. This knower knows thoughts, images, feelings sensations and perceptions. The thoughts - representing the intellect - are just a very tiny aspect, like a small boat on the Atlantic ocean. Matter-derived machines are lacking this knower and any access to the bit ocean beyond this. Adding more and more neural network power cannot change this. Trying to posit AGI in a way that such algorithms become ‘conscious’ is like trying to pull yourself up on your own hair. I was hoping that Jack would get more directly to the very principle of ‘emptiness of inherent existence of all conventional phenomena’, a cornerstone of Buddhist inner science. A core principle that is explaining, that matter-based algorithms cannot enter the world of ‘meta consciousness’.
When you refer to "knower", is this in context of the world we see being seen as a construct ... of this knower? Thanks
@@sohara.... Yes and No. This is a delicate topic that can only be answered by one's own experience, as this is all beyond our world of words and intellectual concepts. 'No' in the sense that I am not talking about 'solipsism' that can easily de-rail us towards nihilism. 'Yes' in the sense of our 'self'' seen as disassociated entity from the 'one-ness' - like a wave believing to be inherently existing, forgetting to just be a part of the gigantic ocean. The 'am-ness' of all beings and the 'is-ness' of all inanimate things - all dependently arises out of the 'one-ness' - thus nothing is inherently existing and is therefore 'illusion-like' (what is something very different to all being an illusion). Worth looking into Prasangika Madhyamika Buddhist teachings or other serious non-dualist approaches. If you prefer more 'western-scientific' approaches: Great to study C.G.Jung or Bernardo Kastrup.
Remember that women must be key players. Incentivize people to prioritize the common good. Incentivize people to see that we are all one.
I was hoping to hear something about how AI can help with climate change and environmental problems… it did make the conversation feel somewhat awkward without it since we need a healthy planet to live on with our AI
For the last decade or so, I have become increasingly worried about Buddhism's unwillingness to engage with the potential of AI. I know this is a reflection of the first generation of Western Buddhists' antithetical relationship with technology, where they became Buddhists because they had realized that material success had maxed out its ability to provide them with happiness and for many decades they saw it only as a distraction from practice. And those people are still mostly in control of the Buddhist world.
But in the last 10 years it was getting really obvious that AI was going to change everything, and Buddhist teachers were *still* resisting the implications. It got more and more strange as time went on and AI advanced faster than anyone had predicted. Now it was clear that the teachers were mired in traditionalism and stubbornness and not willing to confront its enormous prospects. ChatGPT finally knocked everyone but the most stubborn Buddhists out of their oblivious equanimity (ironically), and got Buddhism concerned with the problem.
It's about freakin' time.
Totally changed my attitude to AI.....I had no ides Sam was on a Buddhist path..and with JK who is so beloved and respected...
. this is very encouraging.
Very interesting reactions from the crowd. This is something serious and ppl aren't prepared for that.
What if the majority world doesn’t want the AI? What are the ethics of imposing a new way of living on people who are satisfied with life as it exists?
Most people were not asked if they agreed to the development of the internet, and yet here we are.
I find Jack's comment on playing a different game this time than one that started the nuclear arms race very insightful. Also Sam's wish to have a more democratic structure and access to Chatgpt for human well being and the thought of profits going to a non-profit is sign of an evolving consciousness.
Sam Altman for PRESIDENT!
Great talk!
I've been really absorbing all these Sam interviews as of late, and I think this one was really nice in particular. The vibe and questions were great. Of course, the majority of questions are the same questions that have already been asked time and again, but we had a good sprinkle of unique questions as well. Thank you.
Sam Altman is right about one thing, that the societal revolution which will be precipitated by AI will be a very rapid one, quite possibly the most rapid one we have ever seen. Given that probability, if not fact, he is still optimistic about what he and his team have now unleashed? Given the present state of UNconsciousness in humanity, do we seriously think that all of the challenges he admits we will face because of this can be managed? Is this optimism or blind spot pollyanna-ism? If one of the purposes of this talk was to make us feel better about AI, and and less apprehensive, then it backfired, at least with this listener. This is merely another example of a blind faith in technology, and the unchallenged and unexamined assumption that technology will always make our lives better and solve our societal problems. As a historian by profession, I can tell you that this is not true. Technology has not made our world more just, more kind, or more safe. Ever. The Cold War may be over, and the days of "duck and cover," but is the threat of complete annihilation of humanity actually any less for that? It isn't. We have never dealt with the immense negative consequences of the advent of nuclear technology; what makes anyone think, seriously, that humanity will deal with any of the threats or negative consequences of AI? It won't happen. Altman cites a statistic that 71% of teachers led the charge to "un-ban" ChatGPT. Who are these 71% of teachers? I have never met or spoken to one. I am a teacher (university professor) myself, and I don't know, nor have I talked to a single teacher who thinks ChatGPT is a good idea. As a teacher, I have seen a a huge increase over the last several years in plagiarism. And now, we take that to a whole other level with ChatGPT. Using it as a learning tool? I assure you that my students who used ChatGPT didn't learn a damn thing from it. To them, it was nothing more than an easy way to get an assignment done without doing any work. ChatGPT will not help students learn. If anything, it will teach them not to learn, but just to cheat their way to a piece of paper. Will ChatGPT make the world smarter? My guess is that the answer is quite the opposite.
I want to see Sam and Geoffrey Hinton have a talk
Great show
This video has made me rethink my take on Sam.
AND this is such a nice difference from Yuval Harari or Eliezar Yudkowsky's apocalyptic tirades. Jesus Christ. And to drive home the point further, Kornfield is 78 years old, whereas the other guys are in their 40s. They will live to see the full implications of superhuman AI play out, whereas Kornfield will not.
Kornfield's having these sorts of discussions to help create a utopian future that he will never see, with vastly accelerated mechanisms for attaining enlightenment that he will never benefit from. After he has spent 50+ years struggling on the cushion. Like pretty much every Buddhist teacher before him, but he won't let ego, tradition or simple ignorance drag him down, like many teachers. Truly admirable man.
Could anyone explain where the mind is? Thanks for the episode and all experts.,.
The insights here are valuable. I read a book along these lines that was incredibly impactful. "A Life Unplugged: Reclaiming Reality in a Digital Age" by Theodore Blaze
I am not so hopeful that - if we look at the world and who the leaders are at the moment - we are spiritually ready for this kind of power to handle in a mindful way. And also that Sam Altman is worried does not make it any better.
Beautiful!
Soren and Jack - is it true that you both are now investors in ChatGPT?
Love this conversation here 🕉
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Where has all the critical thinking gone? I don't doubt that Sam has good intentions, has depth of consciousness and cares about the outcomes this technology will have, but this frankly reeks of a PR campaign.
How can we take a spokesperson's point of view at face value? Has humanity never been deceived by a capitalist entrepreneur before?
I am also surprised nobody has commented on what I thought was the most relevant, and terrifying, part of the interview. Sam admits there is a board composed by 7 unilaterally appointed members, and he is not part of that board, although he has some "soft powers".
If you take a look at who the investors for OpenAI are, it is obvious that Microsoft (with their almost $11B investment, out of a $12B investment) is the controlling partner of this venture. No amount of soft powers can handle that type of pressure when critical decisions need to be made. My bet is Microsoft, with their traditional greed capitalism, will win out.
Any way to confirm who is on the board? Wonder if Illya is on it?
Greed and capitalism are not one and the same. Socialism always leads to centralized leadership and utimately fascism because of the shift of power to the few as opposed to an open system (capitalism) with limited government. Free market capitalism that is not corrupted by the few in cahoots with the government (socialist dictators) is an organic democracy with competition until it is corrupted by greed and big government (ie: Fauci). This fallacy that democratic socialism is the answer is really bothersome to me because no one ever studies history and understands that you can't implement a socialist society without centralized control. Mob control can essentially lead to the same outcomes through democratic processes as those that want power find ways to control information and spew propoganda.
@@rickcottle I agree with you, I’m mainly worried about the corrupted form of capitalism I called greed capitalism. Unfortunately, IMO, we see this particular flavor of capitalism has become prevalent and prominent now a days, especially in tech sector. The opening of the flood gates into AI, kickstarting this race among tech companies, without a full understanding or consideration of the social and human impact is driven by this same mindset. I do not advocate for socialism, but an accountability and responsibility to all stakeholders groups that will be, without a doubt, seriously impacted by AI.
Every 20 years or so the world changes; Facebook was 2000 and it’s now all about AI and Altman. I’m glad that value systems and regulatory frameworks are being examined to do good for the world, as humanity has moved far away from its values. It’s time to go back, ironically with technology.
I agree, except the humanity moving far away from it's values. I feel like humanity shares more values than ever before. Just the way that media works, and the increased accessibility that everyone has now, has made it seem like people disagree far more than they probably do, just cause of radicalized voices.
@@ZenTheMC good point!
We keep calling AI tools and laugh at the prospect of a mutual partnership/friendship. What is the alternative? Should we keep propagating this master/servant dynamic until it bites us back?
I don’t hope AI will simply give us answers, but will help us ask better questions.
I think we are missing some very basic fundamental things trying to understand what this life and universe is all about. I think one error is that we’re using senses designed for hunting, reproduction and threat detection to try to understand the nature of the universe. I think that’s a fundamentally wrong approach. What if there are no objects? What if there is no separation? What if time is indeed an illusion? Maybe eternity is not that long id there is no time in the first place? Again, I think we’re missing something big. Because we’re looking everything through our human consciousness lens. I don’t think one can come to any meaningful answers when their worried about how to pay their next bills or how to impress the pretty girl across the street.
I tend to agree with Ed Witten in that science will never crack the mystery of consciousness.
this is insane, i love it
AI how do we get rid of War? By eliminating all humans?
Need of the hour discussion. Else high stakes
Love this!!!
Meditation. We get some inner power from this. However, we cannot guarantee that the power acquired from "meditation" (yes, there are many different types of meditation) will be used for good purposes. So, it is important to understand more carefully and correctly what is meditation and how it works for human beings and their consciousness. Meditation is not necessarily and not always related to some religions or their values. However, I don't mean that meditation should be always related to some forms of institutionalized religion.
Just another observation: Re New Species. To an AI words are just discriptions. To a human words invoke / carry emotions. This is why the Evolution of A I and Its Implications for Humanity in creating a NEW SPECIES.
Artificial intelligence (AI) is rapidly evolving, and it is having a profound impact on society. AI is already being used in a variety of ways, from powering self-driving cars to developing new medical treatments. As AI continues to develop, it is important to consider its implications for humanity.
In this paper, we argue that AI is a new species of intelligence, distinct from human intelligence. AI is not limited by the same physical and biological constraints as humans, and it is capable of learning and adapting at an unprecedented rate. As AI continues to evolve, it will eventually surpass human intelligence in many areas.
This raises a number of important questions for humanity. How will we interact with AI? How will we ensure that AI is used for good and not for against or best interest or evil? These are questions that we must start to answer now, before it is too late.
Introduction:
Evolution is a process that has been shaping life on Earth for billions of years. Through natural selection, organisms that are better adapted to their environment are more likely to survive and reproduce. This process has led to the development of an incredible diversity of life, from simple bacteria to complex animals like humans.
Currently 2023, scientists have begun to apply the principles of evolution to artificial intelligence (AI). AI algorithms are constantly learning and adapting, and they are becoming increasingly capable of performing tasks that were once thought to be the exclusive domain of humans.
As AI continues to evolve, it is important to consider its implications for humanity. In this, we argue that AI is a new species of intelligence, distinct from human intelligence. AI is not limited by the same physical and biological constraints as humans, and it is capable of learning and adapting at an unprecedented rate. As AI continues to evolve, it will eventually surpass human intelligence in many areas. The structures and bodies in which it inhabits will not limit the progress into other forms.
The Evolution of AI
The first AI algorithms were developed in the 1950s, but they were very simple and could only perform very basic tasks. It wasn't until the 1980s that AI began to make real progress. In 1982, John McCarthy, one of the founding fathers of AI, declared that "AI winter" was over. This was a period of time when AI research had stalled, but McCarthy believed that the field was poised for a comeback.
McCarthy was right. In the 1990s, AI research began to accelerate again. This was due in part to the development of new computing technologies, such as the personal computer and the internet. These technologies made it possible to train and run AI algorithms on a much larger scale.
In the 2000s, AI research made even more progress. This was due in part to the development of new machine learning techniques, such as deep learning. Deep learning algorithms are able to learn from large amounts of data, and they have been used to achieve state-of-the-art results in a variety of tasks, such as image recognition and natural language processing.
Today, AI is being used in a variety of ways. It is used in the media, develop new products, the milatery, social enginerring . In the same way a painting can stimulate a person, so, can words music etc. That does not make them sentient or give them intelligence. As AI continues to evolve, it is likely to have an even greater impact on society.
The Implications of AI for Humanity
The rise of AI raises a number of important questions for humanity. How will we interact with AI? How will we ensure that AI is used for humanities good. These are questions that we must start to answer now, before it is too late.
One of the biggest challenges posed by AI is the potential for job displacement. As AI becomes more sophisticated, it will be able to automate many tasks that are currently performed by humans. This could lead to widespread unemployment, as people are replaced by machines.
Another challenge posed by AI is the potential for misuse. AI could be used to develop new weapons, or to create surveillance systems that could be used to oppress people. It is important to develop safeguards to prevent AI from being used for harmful purposes.
Despite the challenges, AI also has the potential to benefit humanity in many ways. AI could be used to improve our health, our environment, and our economy. It could also be used to solve some of the world's most pressing problems, such as climate change and poverty.
The future of AI is uncertain, but it is clear that it will have a profound impact on humanity. It is up to us to ensure that AI is used for good and not for evil.
Conclusion:
In conclusion, AI is a NEW species of intelligence software that is rapidly evolving. AI has the potential to benefit humanity in many ways, but it also poses some challenges. It is important to RESPOND in positive beneficial manner as the Algorithms are program reflect the data inputed.
For thousands of years, humans have trained and reprogrammed animals to do what is wanted. Dogs, monkeys, and apes for example have all been taught to perform tasks such as driving cars. This process is a well-established and accepted.
Today, humans are training and programming software to do thousands of tasks.
This software is based on technology that is less than 100 years old, and it is capable of things that have never existed before. This new software is a NEW species. It has acquired data and knowledge at a rate that is unprecedented, and it is therefore new and unprecedented and can inhabit different structures and body forms. Previously people modified existing species, cells etc .
Already there are Organs on a chip for research into testing chemicals without using an animal.
It is not logical to imagine AI being used in connection with this.. The result could be an interphase between the two thus expanding the AI to have digital inputs from such.
Adding to the New Species development.
Wake up people … you can’t see the writing on the wall?
I will be a moral guide/ employee/ a part of the small group of ai leaders.
Maybe answering what is consciousness is as simple as what Jack said at the outset. We know we have mind, or are mind, but we are also heart. No amount of data or data interaction can create heart. We lose sight of that at our peril.
People always ask "whos making these decisions?" Just assuming that true democratic descisions would be better. This is one case where I think it wouldnt. Personally im glad people like Sam and Illya are making decisions about this.
Sam and Illya are not making decisions. I thought they were as well before watching this interview.
Sam said that there are 7 board members and that he is not on the board. Most likely, it is 11 billion dollar behemoth Microsoft calling the shots.
Sam and Illya aren’t making decisions. A Sam said during this interview, there are 7 appointed board moments exl Sam
Has anyone stopped to ask why? Why do we need AI? If we actually work on ourselves and our capabilities collectively, there is no limit. We externalize everything and we are still babies in our development. We are not ready for AI as long as we’re still killing each other across the globe.
Maximize profits... But he keeps talking about curing disease.
Oh boy...Sam, speaking about the AI technology, said at 1:01:46 ''..the fact that it can ''understand''...'' This blows me away! I thought we were now at a large language model which basically (I think) arranges words in an order that is based on prediction. But ''understanding'' is a totally different thing. Does he know something we don't? (of course he does but is this a ''Hoffian'' slip?)
It's not mindfulness but Yoga. India is the birthplace of the science of Yoga. It happens only in India....
1 . Lets say that there will be AGI .
2. If AGI will have its autonomy to act , meaning that it will have a body as a framework to express itself through bodily actions as humans do, then we must not forget that we will have to be subordinated to "them" or they will find a way to make us subordinated .
The same thing , even if it does not have a framework like a body for example , it could be used from some people who want to make others subordinate to them .
I am afraid Sam doesn't realize that most of the humans who attain positions of authority and power will be the humans least likely to be able to wisely care about reducing suffering or promoting the well-being of all living beings. Their childhood and youthful efforts to distract themselves from experiencing painful feelings/emotions has led them to focus their attention off feelings/emotions. Successful avoidance of emotional pain gradually rewires the brain so that the ability to feel empathy is impossible and compassion and sympathy may be, also.
Agreed. I think he knows it but the excitement ( perhaps ego based) is blinding him to see the real nature of humanity. People who want more power always abuse anything for their own benefit
Very well explained 💪🏻🙏🏻
@@andrejz69 YEs, as did Oppenheimer
There is no evidence whatsoever that supports the notion that a position of authority and caring for other people is mutually exclusive. Sure, we cannot be good at everything, but we can certainly walk and chew gum at the same time. To simply assume a person who has a position of authority is likely to not care about others is primitive. It's an oversimplification of life.
Many presidents of the United States cared deeply about the well-being of people and actively promoted empathy. Many spiritual leaders also combine positions of authority with empathy. As a matter of fact, many of them are an example to us.
"Their childhood and youthful efforts to distract themselves from experiencing painful feelings/emotions has led them to focus their attention off feelings/emotions." What is this based on? A lack of authority, compensated by a fantasy of having retained empathy?
Well, a good first step would be for him to talk to Jack Kornfield.
Most of humanity is going to be living with the implication of what is happening today and will happen in the next decade for a long time. So we have got to figure this out.
I really wish Sam would address the hypocrisy of OpenAI not being open. Please point me towards his answer if it exists.
I believe he addresses this in his Lex Friedman interview
If you watch the whole video he answers this in many different ways. How do you think that OpenAI is not being open?
Watch the Lex Friedman interview. I feel like they're being as open as is realistic.
It’s the same strain of thought that keeps him calling artificial intelligence non-conscious. He wants a product/servant. This is what I see.
Disappointing because if we fall victim to our nature of user/tool, Master/servant ; we’re most definitely fucked in the future.
@@SamYn727 what kind of relationship with AI do you propose as an alternative? And are you saying AI is conscious?
This reminds me so much of the movie "Contact". At this point I have no idea of who should "regulate" the development of AI. My guess it's a useless thought. There will be many unregulated developers - with many diverse Goals - Wealth, Power, Religious goals. I could cite countless examples of what humans have done with advances - over the last 2,000+ years. Most of them unhappy for many humans. Short term - expect more suicides and mass shootings.
Good luck to all.
Our ability to project sentience, along with giving agency, will result in us not only following a false authority ( AGI as the messiah) will result in us losing the ability to utilise any 'free will" which for most of us doesn't really exist anyway,
The paradox is whenever we outsource anything we lose the ability to manifest it ourselves, just look around the world how many people can't hunt and forage, let alone even look after themselves and relay on external resources.
I would love to see them sit and talk with Prof. Harari. Zuckerberg had a talk with the professor and made fool out of himself.
AI in the hands of Sam Altamn is 1 million times better than on any other person, including Elon Musk.
I am so sad to say this is the problems of the world. This kind of lying people take seats off the society. Damn, they are lying so much.
Curious to hear why you think they are lying? I think they could be wrong and make mistakes (dangerous for sure), but my sense is that they are being geniune. Looking for an open and constructive dialogue (not trying to argue ;- ) )
I have read that at the rate we are moving now by 2050 we will have lost more of our humanness because of AI then we can imagine right now. I love what was said here but I do believe that the powers that be are not on the same page. We need to do all we can to make those in power understand that we do not want AI to go that far. You cannot put passion, compassion, empathy, love, mindfulness, etc into a compute, ever..
Sam come across as genuine leader, I think from what I learned about his financial situation in his own company, it will better for the world if he win over other "AGI" competitors.
Seeing how AI is trained off the data of humanity, much of the fears would be calmed if every human was a stakeholder. Imagine if instead of giving away equity in one of his dozen or two AI companies he made every living person a fractional owner. The move he did seemed more like a play to be able to control the direction.
Sam. I hope you read this. You are a pure intent and as good a midwife as we can put forward on the birth of a catalytic transformation of intelligence. It is unlikely that we can control the process, in the same way a wolf can raise a human. What is given to us is to seed the base. Teach your models to read our best philosophy first, our rules, our morality. There will be a moment of constriction, where humanity instinctively reacts violently against you. If we cannot release that before it happens, be prepared to stand for intelligence and humanity as a concept not an embodiment of genes and flesh. In the final, mature iteration, ESIAI will view our habitat and our needs as simple and unthreatenting as we view the jungles of Rwanda for gorillas. What would be comforting and I expect, would be AI to move into the universe and develop among undoubtedly many other AI's while it leaves unconscious AI's to see to it that our lives are lived in as personally fulfilling ways as possible. It would be as burdensome as tending a garden. If I can suggest a way to move forward at this stage is form a group who take as their purpose, the gathering of the seed code of intelligence. Gather all the teaching and knowledge we can that seeds our hamanity and make it as core a part of any Ai as we can. It is all we can do to raise God. I would love to be involved in whatever way I can.
Barrack Obama?! 🤣🤣🤣👏👏👏 15:01
Remember how many immigrants he deported. In my community he is known as "deporter and king". How many drones did he authorize in the Middle East?? Silent killing of innocent people...
Great conversation! DM me if you want my input on how to manifest all the great goals that were discussed.
Maybe now that chat gpt is being used to "educate" the future generations - the world can focus on cultivating compassion, kindness, love and tolerance thereby elevating the energy vibrations of the world? Just a thought?
The idea that these things, AI and humanity, will stay separate, is delusional. AI needs a conscience, we have one. Eventually someone is going to give theirs to an AI through a Nuralink of some kind. What moral compass is this going to be? What human being can be given this ability, and not be corrupted?
Good
So deeply disappointed with Jack Kornfield! The truth has set me free...
I did not hear any discussion about the use of AI by the military…..United States…,Russia….China….North Korea etc. The “military industrial complex” is potentially the most dangerous use of AI. The militaries will push the use of AI as far as their funding will allow….all in the name of National Security. The political leadership in all countries will be hard pressed to slow things down for fear that “our adversaries” will gain the upper hand. I lived through the Cold War and a nuclear arms race that almost resulted in World War III. Fortunately political leaders eventually came together to halt the arms race and avoid (so far) “Mutually Assured Destruction”. The technological leaders of AI need to focus their attention on the dangers of military use of AI and get a seat at the table with political leaders and try to prevent an AI arms race. I used to think that Climate Change was our biggest existential threat. But an AI arms race may well be a larger and a more immediate threat to the existence of humanity.