Simple to understand MOA vs MIL optics
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2018
- This video discusses the difference from MOA to Mil dot scopes.This explanation is tailored around someone who doesn't know the difference between the two. This is not for the intermediate to advanced shooter.
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I have 13 years of undergraduate and graduate training and you are a great teacher. I sought out education on MOA vs MIL and you struck gold with your video. Thank you.
Can you re-explain it to me
@@tafaragadze6432only after 20 years more training. The irony in more education, the more they feel the need to express how much more theyre educated, because obviously education dosent speak for itself
Wow, 13 years of school
@@HARLEYMLM1966he parades around the streets asking for student loan forgives telling people to vote for Biden
I had to come back to rewatch this. Thanks again. You did great breaking it down for unfamiliar folks like myself. Planning to change my unfamiliarity on this topic 👍🏽
This man is pure gold. So knowledgeable and I have learned so much. Best gun expert on RUclips hands down.
Thanks so much for displaying the difference - helps me make a choice between the same scope - one is MOA the other is MIL. I had no idea the difference. I now plan to buy the MIL. Thanks again - you have a gift for explaining complicated things in terms we can all understand!
Man, if I had a nickel for every time I've heard "You'll never need to know trig outside of high school" growing up.
MOA -> Minutes of Angle -> 60th of degree -> 360 degrees in a circle
Mil -> Milli-Radian -> 1000th of a radian -> 2π radians in a circle
After that it's just SOH, CAH, TOA.
Basic maths (mainly trig and very very very simple quadratics) outside of school end up being really useful in life.
lol.. ohh man,, when ever i hear high school trig,all my brain comes up with is , X times 5 Y equels kevin .. :0
i much prefer Wild Bill Hickocks "triggernometry" that i can understand .. ;)
My head hurts.
Omg I'm an aircraft structures mechanic which means I learned that i needed more math to figure the dimensions of a flat sheet of aluminum to cut, then roll in 3 dimensions, adding the stretch and sometimes the shrink of the shin....😒😣
What's trig? I barely got long division!
Great seeing you on on WMMF sure look forward to reviewing all your material. Always learning more every day.
One of the best explanations of the two measurements I’ve yet to hear. Thanks for posting
Great information for a beginner like me just getting into precision shooting. Cleared up all the confusion between both.
Great explanation thank you. I would like to add that using metric range measurements and mils works best for me. Mixing mils and yards complicates things slightly.
After dozens of videos this video was the most dumbed down version with the numbers I have been looking for! Thank you
You explained that in terms so simple that even a Realtor (a member of the National Association of Realtors) could understand. Granted, I had to watch it twice to fully absorb it... but by far the clearest and most concise explanation I have ever heard on the subject. Can you please do a similar video explanation on how women think?
Hahahahahaha ! Now that is genuinely funny !
That Sir comes under a need to KNOW. Also your government has a special dept for just such a thing. You will never be allowed to live long enough to use the info contained within. The reason being the woman of your dreams will give you a headset to listen to the info. Then like mission impossible the headset will self destruct with a pound of C4. ???????
"HOW women think!" LMAO!! My mother explaned it best to me as a young man. Taught me "Never try to figure out what a womans going to do next because even THEY don't know!" Im 70 years old & found that to be absolutly true. Just expect the UNexpected & enjoy the ride. Jan can be crusing at 70 MPH & shift into reverse & make a right angle turn w NO warning. Used to drive me crazy. Now I just find it hilarious. Keeps ME on my toes!! 😁
Oh So Funny!! This kinda sorta reminds me of shopping in a grocery store with my wife. I used to frequently get in trouble for bumping her heels when she unexpectedly stopped or turned to inspect something on a nearby shelf. I was automatically guilty of not paying enough attention or I wouldn't have bumped her! My response was, "I'm going to hang a board across your butt with brake lights and turn signals!!" As you might expect, that wasn't particularly well received but I've determined that my most successful shopping technique with my dear wife is to just run down the windows and wait in the car! ;^) (I do get to read a lot of shooting magazines and she never complains about my inattention and her sore heels!)
The Armed Realtor James Tiberius women come with different operating system installed from factory, and they don't understand it themselves. The manuals got lost in transit.
Best yet, I understood your explanation of MOA vs MIL better than I ever have. Thank you.
Great video, have a day and stay safe.
Well while I was doing the math, my target ran away.
That's funny
LOL
😂😂😂
Maybe the only video on RUclips that explains it simple! Keep up the great job!
Excellent video. I just happened to be looking at new scopes for a high-end PCP rifle. The choice was down to one scope using MOA, and one using MIL. I just ordered the one using the MIL dot reticle (and I checked-it has MIL click adjustments). Thanks for the clarification and the help.
Thank you. Excellent video and description. Seen several others trying to explain this and you finally put it into terms that made it "click."
Sir, I just came here for research, and I thought I was losing it up until now. Thank you!
Thank you for this video! Explained it better than anyone that's posted a video regarding this question. Cheers!
Sir, you did a very good job of explaining this. I have never heard anyone explain this in a way that I could understand. Thank you!
A simple & direct explanation presented in terms that alleviate the mystery of these terms...thank you for assisting a novice get a handle on these two important terms used in our sport. Bravo, Sir!
Thank you Tom and thanks for watching. Have a great week.
Very good analogies and a good job at making it very simple to understand. I never thought one was really better than the other, but people say that the mill reticle is just simpler to work with. I've never done much long distance shooting. Really no place to do that around here. Very good job X Ring
Kevin Roberts Thank you Kevin!
Really good series as love to learn more as you have a very simple breakdown of info that hits home for me so thanks...Good stuff...
Thank you so very much for finally making this not such a daunting task to understand. Now I'm excited to get out and use my MRAD scope and my range finder.
That is great Zora .Thank you for watching the channel!
Even from way down here, in the Netherlands, everything you said in this video about Mills and MOA was “loud and clear”. You did a real good job!
Thanks for that, Huub van Kleef (66).
Thanks H. Kleef! More great long range content on the channel.
One of the best explanation of the two types of Scopes.
mrcollins63 Thank you Mrcollins and thanks for watching.
I wish I had seen this year's ago. Everyone turns your simple explanation into cold Fusion. Great job. So simple a Safety Director can understand! (That's big time if you don't know...)
Best description / talk between mil and moa yet - great job!!
Thank you and thanks for watching.
A very concise video, Sir. Very simply put, easy to understand!
Thank you , you have taken all the confusion out of every vid I have watched on the subject .... Excellent !
Thanks Chris and thanks for watching the channel.
You explained it much better than I could ever do it. Going to make a couple of my buddies watching video. Great video thank you.
This video is super informative and very, very well done, thanks! I subscribed to the channel after watching the first 30 seconds and I'll make sure to come back to watch other content.
Thank you Yves and thank you for subscribing to the channel.!
Great video and explanation. Thanks.
I’m just in the mitts of building a new rifle ! First time I’ve done this. And need a scope. Video was extremely helpful!!! I’m new to the sport of target shooting. But this rifle will be for my grandson!!! Great video!!!! 👍
Great Video. Easy to understand. Thank you for posting this information! I got a lot out of this because I’m going to be purchasing a scope soon. Thank you.
My pleasure MAC CLIFF. Thanks for watching.
Excellent explanation, Thank you for the clarity!!!
Great explanation- thanks for making it so simple
Excellent explanation. From someone that knows that difference, this makes it very easy for anyone to understand.
Thanks for clearing that up. Great explanation
Bloody great explanation…clear and concise, even for old farts who grew up in NZ on imperial, changed to metric in 1967, came to the US in 83( back to imperial), and been a contractor ever since… I had heard mutterings of Mils and MOA, but as a benchrest and varmint shooter, was either zeroed in, or held over. Now I am starting NRL, the need for knowing what the big knob with all the numbers on the top is for suddenly makes sense‼️ thank you for making it all instantly clear, and I realised I have an MOA scope, so all is good. I can see how the Mil system for ranging seems to be simpler, and more intuitive. Next scope will be in Mils👏👏👏👏
Thank you Sir. I've tried to figure out what the difference between the two is. I've watched videos and I still didn't fully understand it until now. Your video was easy to comprehend and understand. Great video.
Thank you Cody. I am glad you enjoyed the video. Have a great weekend sir!
MOA scope with MOA reticle (or MIL scope with MIL reticule) is the largest take-away from this excellent video. Ray is a great teacher. Pick a system and understand the system you choose.
Thanks Thomas and thanks for watching.
Ok after a bit more research I get it. The important point is that 1 milliradian is 1/1000 of the distance you’re measuring (ie. distance to target). So if your target is is at 1000 yards, 1 mil is 1 yard. If your distance is 1000 meters, 1 mil is 1 meter. So that bit is simple.
The not-so-simple bit is that if you’re measuring yards, at 1000 yards 1 mil is 1 yard, which is 36 inches, so 0.1 mil is 3.6 inches. So moa is still easier to work with because you get whole numbers as a starting point when you’re looking at 100/200/300/1000 yards etc.
But then 1 moa at 100 yards is not exactly 1” (it’s 1.04”). At the shorter distances it’s close enough, but once you start getting past 1000 yards you probably have to take that into account if you want to stay really accurate.
The advantage of mils though is that you can use a mil-dot reticle to estimate your distance. The mil-dot reticle is split into known mil-measures - the dots are 1 mil apart, and each dot is 0.2 mils diameter. So if you know the height of your target you can use the reticle to convert that height into mils, and once you have that height you can work out what height 1 mil is at that distance, multiply that by 1000 and you have your distance to target.
So, in summary, moa is simpler if you know your distance, but if you have a mil-dot scope and do the math, you can work your your distance to target.
So the fundamental advantage of milliradians over minute of angle is that milliradians are always 1/1000 of the distance you’re measuring, regardless of whether that distance is in meters or yards or inches or feet.
You could probably reverse-calculate the distance in moa but it looks like nobody makes an “moa-dot” scope, and most rangefinders work with mils.
The key takeaway here is that metric units just make more sense.
I know, I just reviewed the Howa 1500 with that same scope. Makes it a little harder to do holdovers with such a big range in the reticle.
Paolo Gallardo I personally think that if you are intending on getting into long range competitions you will be much better off going with mils. If you are just looking at shooting from a bench and just ringing steels then one isn’t better than the other. You should really subscribe and check out my channel. I have a LOT of long range content in there including long range competition related content. I always try to answer all comments. Thanks for your questions.
@@PunzL Metric has never made sense to me, just a matter of what you are used to
The point in which mil becomes difficult for Americans is where you guys still want to talk in inches and yards, it just doesn't correlate well with a mil scope. If you moved into the 21st century and adopted the metric system then you would instantly see how much simpler mil is to use and understand. Not having a dig at Americans at all but thats just the facts of it.
Just getting into long range shooting, building my first ar10. This was helpful, so glad I found your channel.
Get another rifle 👍
Just starting to learn some very basic longer range stuff. I went and got a beginner's 3x9x40 with mil-dot and mil turrets (love turrets instead of finger adjust cap covers), and am reading up on mil.
I just bore sighted the scope; looked through my bore and lined up the cross hair on the target which was about 100m away. At 100 yards a mil is about 3.6 inches, at 100 meters, it's about 3.9 inches. To make sure my initial 25 meter zero is good, I've found that doing the math this way works. 25 meters, a mil is about an inch. So 1/10th mil clicks, will be easy to compute. Need to move up half an inch? 5 clicks at 25 meters, and so on and so on. Move out to 100 meters, which is where I want this AR zeroed (yes, I know, it's an AR not a bolt gun xD), and then 5 clicks will be about 2 inches. Obviously, beyond 100 meters, that rough estimate for ease of math will fall apart, but I believe I'm onto something. Let me know if that makes sense, or if I'm completely not following, here. Thanks!
BTW, Your video is quite nice. Unassuming, and very to the point without being a dick about it. Subbed :)
Thanks X Ring. I’ve been hunting and shooting since I was 10 years old, and often wondered what the difference is. Now that we’re trying to shoot out to 1000 yards, it’s imperative to understand. 🤠😎
JH586 Yes it is JH586! Thanks for watching.
This is good topic. I use both (MOA & Mil ) and both are easy and accurate. But I recommend NOT USING YARDS when using Milradian Optics. it's so much easier to use METERS (metric system). Everything is based on powers of 10 making very, very easy calculations as demonstrated by Bill Dickson. Also, my ultra long distance optics are all Milradian (less cranking on the turrets) including my spotting scope which has Mil reticle as well.
Great points! Thanks for commenting and adding to the content.
Good on you...I don't like mixed values
Very clear and to the point. Thanks for the great video!
Thanks Kyle! My pleasure
Love the channel, first time rifle owner, and looking forward to all the learning-X-Ring is a great channel!
tommydowning Thank you tommydowning. I really appreciate it.
Simple and wonderful explanation. Thank you !
Excellent information my friend!! Well done!! I just learned!! That learning is good 😎
That was about the easiest explanation I have seen. Thanks for making it understandable. I subbed
SgtBooker44 Thanks SgtBooker and thank’s for subscribing!
Tried explaining this to a friend but unfortunately any time I try to explain things out loud my brain shuts down and I can’t articulate my thoughts lmao. But this was a very good way of simplifying it. I probably could have saved a year of my life a decade ago trying to understand it had I heard it from a great teacher like yourself!
I appreciate you commenting and for watching the channel!
Just what i needed !! Thanks for this 👍👍
Interesting. Thanks for the explanation. I also started with MOA, when I was first introduced to firearms, rifles and the description of "MOA" at the time made sense to me. Not until I developed an interest in ELR and only concentrating on long distance capable rifles (I mean 1000+ yards to 2500 yards). And the more youtube videos of long distance shooters I watched I started gravitating toward MRAD scopes. Now, I mostly look for FFP, MRAD scopes with MRAD reticles. I must say though, the same power in a MRAD scope is more expensive than its counterpart in MOA. Sometimes it is not that significant of a difference, but as you get up to higher range scopes, then the difference is noticeable, at least from my own experience.
Excellent explanation, thanks.
Excellent explanation sir!!!!
Whenever you hear it explains like that it is far easier to understand thank you so very much or a simple explanation
Great videos!! I came here from Hanks Strange's channel!! Definitely subscribed!!
I just watched this entire video, and I couldn’t tell you what was just said.
I say that because I couldn’t take my eyes off the shelf in the back, and all the glorious goodies that my eyes gazed upon!!! My oh my. I felt like a kid in a candy store!!
well explained ! i have always worked with MOA just seems like the math was eaasier in my head, but the way you broke it down, I might start leaning the other way with Mil rads
It was very hard for me to make the switch as well. Once I did, I wondered why it took me so long.
I get it... Im good with " all that math stuff" in my head so it instantly made sense....
So easy to understand, very well done. Thank you.
My pleasure Chance! Thanks for watching .
Great video Ray! I need to come out and get some tips. I accidentally found this video. Just got my first MRAD and need to understand it.
Thanks for breaking it down. I also grew up with MOA scopes. Everyone told me I needed to go to mil to compete because theres a reason everyone uses mils. When I went to my first PRS match the course of fire was all written down in yardage. Made it simpler to not have to convert haha.
Great video! Really cleared some things up for me.
Brad Homer Thank you Brad. Glad it was helpful. Thank you for watching and commenting!
Got it. Your explanation was perfectly clear. Thanks very much.
Absolutely outstanding! Thanks so much.
Totally understandable explanation. Well done. METRIC RULES!
Superer Dave Thanks Superer Dave and thanks for watching.
I prefer driving at 100kph than at 60mph, but I prefer being 6ft tall instead of 180cms 😀
Very nice informative video. Great work!
Thank you.
Thank you sir. My first mil scope. Explained well. Cheers!
Great info. Very easy to understand. Thank you
Great post! It help me a lot! Thanks
I like your explanation. Elegant, as us engineers like to say!
Subscribed to your channel.
Thank you finally someone explained it to where I can understand it
All you have to know is that each MOA is 1 inch at 100 yards and the MOA Turret should be in 1/4 (0.25 inch) MOA clicks. at 100 yards, each 1/4 (0.25 inch) MOA click of the turret will move the bullet 0.25 inch. At 1000 yards, with each click, the bullet will move 2.5 inches.
With the MilDot scope, each Mil is 3.6 inches at 100 yards and the mil turret should be in 1/10 mil increments (clicks). Each click of the mil turret will move the bullet 1/10 of 3.6 inches (0.36 inches) at 100 yards. At 1000 yards, each 1/10 mil dot click will move the bullet 3.6 inches.
Precisely! Well summarized Jeff.
Wish tou had explained the mils using cm. So, at 100m one click of the turret will move the crosshair 1 cm? And at 1000m it will move it 10cm?
Great to see you on Hank's show!
Thank you so much brother, Great video, now I understand much better!
SQUAREHEAD64 Thanks sqarehead64 and thank you for watching!
MY GOD!!! Finally someone to break it down for my in simple terms! You rock and are officially on my Xmas card mailer list.
Thank you John and thanks for watching!
Fantastic explanation ! Thank you.
Make perfect since, especially the mill dot Measurements. I think I might switch to a mill dot scope.
Like. Thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge!
Thanks Blood Striper and thanks for watching.
Lovely explanaiton - thanks.
crystal clear explanation! SUBSCRIBED
THANK YOU!!! I get it now and Im getting into long distance shooting. Question,
I have subscribed & started listening to your videos recently & I really enjoy them, pertaining to MIL and MOA which will give you A finer adjustment/movement, let’s say at 100 yards & you needed to move elevation or windage and you only need to come over 1/4 of an inch
Hello Eric and welcome to the channel. 1/4 Moa is a slightly finer adjustment than .1 of a mil. You are looking at a .25 inch movement vs .36
It was very useful to me! Thank you!
I run a Burris Fullfield IV 6-24x50mm Hunting Rifle Scope. This is what made the most sense to me on quality at the price with long range. CRS MOA on a POF-308 that I use for hunting. I like precision that is more exact.
Great video! Thanks for the good explanation.
Thank you Harold and thanks for watching the video.
Hey Ray Just saw you on Hanks livestream. Do you like Fixitsticks? Is there a more economical option for scopes?
Now the day is complete. Nice work
I appreciate the nudge :-)
i have a vortex pst with mrad bdc scope zeroed at 100yds. with a 168 gr. in 308 cal.so after watching your video is it my understanding to reach out to 600 yds i only have to turn my turret 48 clicks (1/10) mrad ? and what is your math for figuring your ( clicks to distance)
Someone who has mastered a topic can take a complex topic and explain it in simple terms. Thank you.
Thank you Charles and thanks for commenting!
X-RING have to drive the numbers. 😉. I posted a link to the video on the Project Appleseed forum in a thread with an article on the same topic. Please check out appleseedinfo dot org and see if it is something you would like to help spread the word about. We need all the help we can get filling the lines. In Liberty, CM
Thanks Charles I appreciate it. I will check it out.
I actually understood this after months of searching what each one meant this finally makes sense
Thanks David Diaz. I tried to keep things simple. Lots of good information on the channel about long range shooting if you ever become interested.
Thanks for watching!
@@XRING well ur doing a hell of a good job and yeah I shoot long range with my .22 lr I shoot out to 400 yards but I just hold off high but after seeing this video I now realize my scope is a mil type of scope and know the math thanks dude!!
My pleasure David.
Thank you for the wisdom, Sir!
Nicely done! I appreciate it. Liked, subscribed, hit the notification bell.
This was great and very enlightening...thankyou
I'm really good with numbers and math but for some reason I still struggle with scope adjustments, great explanation
Thanks Pops!
Same here
Thank you very much for responding to my question
Great video brother
X-RING, I was shopping for mounts for the Vortex HD Gen III and the mount itself mentioned MOA. I find it hard to believe that the mount wouldn’t work just as well for MRAD. What say you?
Great explanation using metric and standard unit measurements.
Thanks. I figured it was the easiest correlation of the measurements.