I'm glad you added the metric calculations. To me it only makes sense to have the range in meters for a mil reticle. If you use the turrets to make any changes then said changes will be in a metric unit.
Mil and MOA are both angular units of measurement which are used to describe either imperial or metic movement at target distance. Typically, folks who describe object size in imperial units will find a sight or scope adjustment increment in MOA to be most attractive since an MOA is about 1 inch per hundred yards. Example: bullet strike is 3 inches from aim at 300 yards and since 3 inches is 1 MOA at 300 yards the shooter knows 1 MOA of sight adjustment is needed to cause line of sight to intersect bullet path at distance. At any rate, what’s problematic these days is scope marketers only offer reticle/ dials that match either in MOA or mils when a mil reticle paired with MOA dials would be more ideal for a multitude of reasons associated with speed, wind correction, and accuracy. Unfortunately, such scopes are not available to commercial users anymore because the novice shooter who makes up the largest scope buying segment has been convinced by keyboard warriors that a scope should have matching angular unit of measurement dials/reticle. Creds: Military Rifle Instructor assisting the USAMU deliver SDM Training. One more thing, since all US Service Rifles have iron sights scaled in MOA it makes most sense when adopting a scope for that sort of rifle to buy a scope which has MOA reticle and dials in order to have a less cluttered range card.
I saved it..cuz I'm gonna have to write this down and memorize it..heck I even forget were I left my car keys lol. Thanks for the video. Easy to grasp.
I'm using an earphone, at 8:00 when you started writing on the cardboard,(the sound) every hair on my body stood at its ends, I felt it right up to my @$$hole I kid you not. Did I reduce the volume...no, did I mute it...no...I just grit my teeth and kept on listening...because you sir,are that good and I wanted to hear everything you said. Kudos
I appreciate the time and thought you put into explaining all this. I'm new to the sport and late to these comments, so perhaps I'm missing something. It just seems easier to change the way we are judging distance and size into metric measurements than converting things from imperial units into metric.
@ Shernandez This math is bottom level basic, its just 2+2=4, nothing harder than that so dont over think it. But to your comment, things didnt open up and become useful until I took a year of Physics when I was in college the second time. After that horrible and painful year, I started to look at everything as a math equation and I could understand and solve all sorts of life problems using one formula or the other. I can look at the sole of your shoe to see the type and tell you that when you come to ice on the sidewalk how far you will slide, how fast and at what time you will fall flat on your ass. I know that sounds silly and nerdish but when you are in the groove of math, youd be surprised how much in the life all around us can break down to an equation. Math is a miracle language full of secrets and wonders.
Great info! I went from using MILS to MOA with my most recent scope. I usually use a rangefinder and ballistics app, but is always nice to have this type of knowledge!
Great video! I'm a visual learner so the illustrations on FFP and SFP really became clear. I also love math so the formulas was very cool to learn. This is why I have taken on precision shooting as a hobby because of the intricacies
Thanks man. I so need to learn these measurements. Getting a Bushnell 3-9x40 scope 11th of Jan, for my. 22.pellet rifle. Great vid, truly enjoyed it. 👍😊
Just get a MIl-Dot Master www.amazon.com/Mildot-Enterprises-Master/dp/B008WTWKEA/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=mil-dot+master&qid=1599525408&sr=8-1 It makes the math too easy. And no electrics to go wrong.
As requested: liked and subbed. Greetings from across the pond. That was a good, straightforward explanation of something which I got a bit cloudy over even until recently. Not now. Thanks.
Wow,,, Thank you!! This one is going into my playlist for reference! After years of using MOA based 2nd focal plane scopes I have recently switched over to MIL based 1st focal plane scopes. They really help with my eyesight now and the math for me is so much easier to calculate. Great stuff. Very much appreciated and please keep up the great work!! 😎👍🦌
Another beauty of a vid .... Alot of beginners struggle to initially interpret what they actually seeing through there scopes/reticles an come up with a working formula if not explained by a experienced shooter. I have a UTG 3-9×32 "bugbuster" on a Hammerli .22lr , A Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8×24 on a Howa 6.5 Grendel an a Arken EP 4-16 on a Remington PSS .... A mix of Mil an Moa . A mix of ffp an sfp .... All explained !!! 🤙🏼
Great vid , thank you . As I mentioned and we chatted in an earlier video , I am new to the long range rifle/scope platform . And now learning MOA/MRAD , alot of instructions can be a bit taxing on my 49 year old brain lol . All of my rifles have Leupold MOA terrets and reticals , Except 1 , and thats a Swarovski on my 6.5 but also MOA... Easy adjustment for sighting in but couldnt understand ranging using my reticals ....But once again you have made it easy !!! Even more so , understanding MRAD ... You made it simple to comprehend .I've been interested in learning it and your video has finally helped me achieve that . Obviously much to learn about precision shooting but your video on understanding MOA/MRAD and this video finally has the light on in my head , and the timing couldnt be better . I have an opportunity to pick up a Vortex razor in MRAD , for almost half the price , I was hesitant because of it being MRAD , but your vids have made me comfortable doing so . Kind of interesting , now that I understand MRAD more I am actually leaning towards it for future endeavors with my long range rifles ...... Once again thanks for your informative videos, they are some of the best on Ytube , and may other venues as well , they help expand my knowledge .
That is awesome Lovelivinglife! Thank you for taking the time to watch my videos and commenting on them. I know it can be daunting initially but it is well worth the time learning both MOA and MRAD. It took me a while to make the switch as well but I am glad I did. Let me know what you think about the Vortex. Have a great weekend.
@@XRING Sorry for the delayed response . As far as the Vortex 1-6 Razor , absolutely love it . Exactly what i wanted for my BCM 556 . It is a second focal plane which i like . On 1 power works exactly like a red dot for close quarter engagement , and the magnification when needed for longer range . The glass is some of the clearest ive seen . As far as the MRAD , thanks to your video i was able to dial in with ease . As far as accuracy , well , as you know I am new to this , and only shot out to 200 yds , but was getting 2-3 inch groups , a few flyers of course , not great but ill take it . Im sure as time goes on my skills will get better as well as the groups .
X-Ring I gotta' tell ya' being in all facets construction calculating load factors, compaction factors, so on an so forth I thought this was a lot more complicated. However, you break it down to "simplicity", (I would definately use this even on a range that had definate distances to get into the application), simple is better! Now with that said, no one will just go out and pop steel at a 1,000 yards. However, you provided a great "baseline" or even better a solid "foundation" to get started! Must remember to build on anything you need a "solid foundation"! Terrific job, Thank-you!
Here's an easier way to remember the formula for a MIL-Dot scope. If you use the same measurement units on both sides of the equation then the formula is always: Distance = Target Size x 1000/MILS For example: Distance(yards) = Target Size(yards) x 1000/MILS, or Distance(feet) = Target Size(feet) x 1000/MILS. It doesn't matter if the units are metric or imperial.
yes but ranging a target size by yards is very difficult unless the target is exactly the size of one yard or at least 0.5yd increments. The formula of inches in and distance in yards out is much more accurate. if your target is 22", how would you figure that out with the yards x1000/mil? and who wants to do inchesX1000/mils and get a distance in inches then have to figure that into yards? InchesX27.77/mils = distance in yards is the easiest and fastest
Half a yard (.5) is 18 in.. .6 of a yard is 21.6 inches.. You would just plug in .6 x 1000 divided by mils.. A 22" target measuring one mil is 600yrd away.. 2mils is 300 yards.. 1.5 mils is 400yrds. Much easier paper math than multiplying 22 x 27.77 .. It's close enough for ranging minute of man out to 800 yards.. Once you get out past that it's hard to get precise enough due to the bullet falling 10 inches every 10 yards.
Instead of using feet you need to use target size in yards. A 6 foot tall human is 2 yards. And 2 yards is equal to 1.7 meters. All these calculations are made in either yards or meters. So use inches and yards, or, centimeters and meters only. You won't get a proper answer if you use the number of feet. One yard equals three feet. If using a 6 foot tall human you also have a 2 yard tall human.
Best video ive ever seen to explain how to do this,,, especial for us math dummys like me,,, how about doing a video , with a few equasions in the different formats so we realy have it nailed
Thanks for this easily understood video and real world demonstration. I have FFP and mil/mil turrets and reticles on both my competition scope (H59 reticle) and hunting scope (G3 reticle). **I'm keeping your math formula on the reverse side of my dope cards for both rifles, (6.5 CM Ruger Precision Rifle and 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro).
Thanks Ray! I'm sure I was dropped on my head as an infant, thus my math deficit. I'm going to write those numbers down and look forward to going to the range! Thank you very much! Adult learning...how fun
This used to hurt my head in the army lol. We were always trained to be able to approximate these calculations in our heads in the (umlikely) event that our range finder broke and we didn't have a calculator..
Dude... You totally explained this whole scope reticle calculations stuff perfectly... Thax...! Hey can you do a video on the schematics of the HORUS "Christmas Tree" Retical...?
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Outstanding 👍 world needs more good men like you sir.
You made something that seemed so foreign and complicated easy to understand and doable.
Thank you...
You are welcome ! Thanks for watching.
GOOD JOB !
This is the best & easiest to uncerstand explaination of how MOA and MILs work!
THUMBS-UP ! Keep it up!
Thanks Kenster 👍🏼
Sir , you are awesome 👏. I could never grasp these principles until I watched your video ... kudos 👏👏👏👏👏
Anthony Luisi Thank you Anthony I really appreciate the compliment.
Thank you for watching.
How refreshing to find a gentle, intelligent, no hype presentation. I really enjoyed this and learnt a lot. Cheers and thanks from Australia.
I'm glad you added the metric calculations. To me it only makes sense to have the range in meters for a mil reticle. If you use the turrets to make any changes then said changes will be in a metric unit.
Mil and MOA are both angular units of measurement which are used to describe either imperial or metic movement at target distance. Typically, folks who describe object size in imperial units will find a sight or scope adjustment increment in MOA to be most attractive since an MOA is about 1 inch per hundred yards. Example: bullet strike is 3 inches from aim at 300 yards and since 3 inches is 1 MOA at 300 yards the shooter knows 1 MOA of sight adjustment is needed to cause line of sight to intersect bullet path at distance. At any rate, what’s problematic these days is scope marketers only offer reticle/ dials that match either in MOA or mils when a mil reticle paired with MOA dials would be more ideal for a multitude of reasons associated with speed, wind correction, and accuracy. Unfortunately, such scopes are not available to commercial users anymore because the novice shooter who makes up the largest scope buying segment has been convinced by keyboard warriors that a scope should have matching angular unit of measurement dials/reticle. Creds: Military Rifle Instructor assisting the USAMU deliver SDM Training. One more thing, since all US Service Rifles have iron sights scaled in MOA it makes most sense when adopting a scope for that sort of rifle to buy a scope which has MOA reticle and dials in order to have a less cluttered range card.
I saved it..cuz I'm gonna have to write this down and memorize it..heck I even forget were I left my car keys lol. Thanks for the video. Easy to grasp.
I'm using an earphone, at 8:00 when you started writing on the cardboard,(the sound) every hair on my body stood at its ends, I felt it right up to my @$$hole I kid you not. Did I reduce the volume...no, did I mute it...no...I just grit my teeth and kept on listening...because you sir,are that good and I wanted to hear everything you said. Kudos
I appreciate the time and thought you put into explaining all this. I'm new to the sport and late to these comments, so perhaps I'm missing something. It just seems easier to change the way we are judging distance and size into metric measurements than converting things from imperial units into metric.
Was always taught distance in m = (size of target in cm/mils)*10. So much easier to remember and do.
even easier distance in m = mm / mrad and reversed target in mm = m * mrad. no multipliers needed. cm*10 = mm.
X-Ring is just a master of knowledge. So impressive. Have learned so much from his videos.
And my high school math teacher told me I was going to need it in life. Boy was he right.
sergio hernandez just realized why I need to pay attention in algebra
@@DDyer526 I think you mostly use simple math , rather than algebra
ROBERT Boyd eh, I see it as algebra
I agree with you 100%
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Shernandez This math is bottom level basic, its just 2+2=4, nothing harder than that so dont over think it. But to your comment, things didnt open up and become useful until I took a year of Physics when I was in college the second time. After that horrible and painful year, I started to look at everything as a math equation and I could understand and solve all sorts of life problems using one formula or the other. I can look at the sole of your shoe to see the type and tell you that when you come to ice on the sidewalk how far you will slide, how fast and at what time you will fall flat on your ass. I know that sounds silly and nerdish but when you are in the groove of math, youd be surprised how much in the life all around us can break down to an equation. Math is a miracle language full of secrets and wonders.
Great info! I went from using MILS to MOA with my most recent scope. I usually use a rangefinder and ballistics app, but is always nice to have this type of knowledge!
Great video! I'm a visual learner so the illustrations on FFP and SFP really became clear. I also love math so the formulas was very cool to learn. This is why I have taken on precision shooting as a hobby because of the intricacies
Accurate, essential, and overall clear. A thousand thanks for the metric system integration (and Your flexibility of course) from Europe.
... and from European immigrants in the Great USA.
THE clearest explanation i have watched.
Many thanks from Europe.
You’re a great instructor. Thank you!
Some interesting info as nice breakdown and thanks for being very simple and very clear with your explanation....Good stuff....
Just like watching 'discovery' channel on rifle related stuffs.. love it, great channel, Ray, lots of information down here.
That was a great refresher vid. Thanks a million for taking the time to make it.
Joseph Nelson My pleasure Joseph, thanks for watching.
Awesome video, love all the stuff I learn from this channel and he makes it real easy to understand.
Thank you shramj. I appreciate your feedback and thanks for watching.
Awesome video, thanks from Australia for the metric (meters) explanation. Every video ive watched only had inches and yards.
Anytime! Thanks for watching Chad.👍🏼
These vids are awesome, You explain it in plain and simple terms! Thank you!
Thank you R A and thanks for watching the channel.
Thanks man. I so need to learn these measurements. Getting a Bushnell 3-9x40 scope 11th of Jan, for my. 22.pellet rifle.
Great vid, truly enjoyed it.
👍😊
Great explanation, I was confused about first vs second focal scopes. Now it makes sense
I need to spend some time behind my scope. Range estimating is fun
Kotaboy32 Tactical also need a notebook and calculator 👍
Just get a MIl-Dot Master www.amazon.com/Mildot-Enterprises-Master/dp/B008WTWKEA/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=mil-dot+master&qid=1599525408&sr=8-1
It makes the math too easy. And no electrics to go wrong.
As requested: liked and subbed. Greetings from across the pond. That was a good, straightforward explanation of something which I got a bit cloudy over even until recently. Not now. Thanks.
Sven Williamson My pleasure Sven! Thank you for watching and subscribing. Have a great week.
You explain things so very well!Thanks
Great information. Easy to understand great lesson. Thank you
Wow,,,
Thank you!! This one is going into my playlist for reference!
After years of using MOA based 2nd focal plane scopes I have recently switched over to MIL based 1st focal plane scopes. They really help with my eyesight now and the math for me is so much easier to calculate. Great stuff.
Very much appreciated and please keep up the great work!!
😎👍🦌
One of the best videos on this I ever seen good info. good job
Thanks X-ring for your channel. recently discovered the flannel and I like it a lot, great info with no fluff and Hollywood hype. just perfect.
philippe leblanc Thank you Mr. leblanc and thank you for watching!
Awesome video, great easy-to-follow information
Thanx Ray, good easy explanation. Definitely testing this on the range this weekend.
Cornel Claassen Excellent Cornel! Let me know how it works for you. Thanks for watching.
Great information and explained so well. Thank you
Another beauty of a vid .... Alot of beginners struggle to initially interpret what they actually seeing through there scopes/reticles an come up with a working formula if not explained by a experienced shooter.
I have a UTG 3-9×32 "bugbuster" on a Hammerli .22lr , A Vortex Strike Eagle 1-8×24 on a Howa 6.5 Grendel an a Arken EP 4-16 on a Remington PSS .... A mix of Mil an Moa . A mix of ffp an sfp .... All explained !!! 🤙🏼
Just saw this and I want to say thank you. You made it very easy to understand even for a dummy like me.
Very clear and precise explanation!!! Thanks.
Great vid , thank you . As I mentioned and we chatted in an earlier video , I am new to the long range rifle/scope platform . And now learning MOA/MRAD , alot of instructions can be a bit taxing on my 49 year old brain lol . All of my rifles have Leupold MOA terrets and reticals , Except 1 , and thats a Swarovski on my 6.5 but also MOA... Easy adjustment for sighting in but couldnt understand ranging using my reticals ....But once again you have made it easy !!! Even more so , understanding MRAD ... You made it simple to comprehend .I've been interested in learning it and your video has finally helped me achieve that . Obviously much to learn about precision shooting but your video on understanding MOA/MRAD and this video finally has the light on in my head , and the timing couldnt be better . I have an opportunity to pick up a Vortex razor in MRAD , for almost half the price , I was hesitant because of it being MRAD , but your vids have made me comfortable doing so . Kind of interesting , now that I understand MRAD more I am actually leaning towards it for future endeavors with my long range rifles ...... Once again thanks for your informative videos, they are some of the best on Ytube , and may other venues as well , they help expand my knowledge .
That is awesome Lovelivinglife! Thank you for taking the time to watch my videos and commenting on them.
I know it can be daunting initially but it is well worth the time learning both MOA and MRAD.
It took me a while to make the switch as well but I am glad I did. Let me know what you think about the Vortex.
Have a great weekend.
@@XRING Sorry for the delayed response . As far as the Vortex 1-6 Razor , absolutely love it . Exactly what i wanted for my BCM 556 . It is a second focal plane which i like . On 1 power works exactly like a red dot for close quarter engagement , and the magnification when needed for longer range . The glass is some of the clearest ive seen . As far as the MRAD , thanks to your video i was able to dial in with ease . As far as accuracy , well , as you know I am new to this , and only shot out to 200 yds , but was getting 2-3 inch groups , a few flyers of course , not great but ill take it . Im sure as time goes on my skills will get better as well as the groups .
Wow that was a great video! I’ve been looking for this for a while... thank you
My pleasure Craig. Thanks for watching.
X-Ring I gotta' tell ya' being in all facets construction calculating load factors, compaction factors, so on an so forth I thought this was a lot more complicated. However, you break it down to "simplicity", (I would definately use this even on a range that had definate distances to get into the application), simple is better!
Now with that said, no one will just go out and pop steel at a 1,000 yards. However, you provided a great "baseline" or even better a solid "foundation" to get started!
Must remember to build on anything you need a "solid foundation"!
Terrific job, Thank-you!
Walter Miner Thanks Walter! I appreciate the comment. You might not ever have to use this but it is great information to know.
Thanks for watching.
I did stick around. I enjoyed it thoroughly. Thank you.
forty5degrees Thanks forty5degreea and thanks for watching. Have a great 4th of July Weekend!
Here's an easier way to remember the formula for a MIL-Dot scope. If you use the same measurement units on both sides of the equation then the formula is always:
Distance = Target Size x 1000/MILS
For example: Distance(yards) = Target Size(yards) x 1000/MILS, or Distance(feet) = Target Size(feet) x 1000/MILS.
It doesn't matter if the units are metric or imperial.
yes but ranging a target size by yards is very difficult unless the target is exactly the size of one yard or at least 0.5yd increments.
The formula of inches in and distance in yards out is much more accurate.
if your target is 22", how would you figure that out with the yards x1000/mil?
and who wants to do inchesX1000/mils and get a distance in inches then have to figure that into yards?
InchesX27.77/mils = distance in yards is the easiest and fastest
Half a yard (.5) is 18 in.. .6 of a yard is 21.6 inches.. You would just plug in .6 x 1000 divided by mils.. A 22" target measuring one mil is 600yrd away.. 2mils is 300 yards.. 1.5 mils is 400yrds. Much easier paper math than multiplying 22 x 27.77 .. It's close enough for ranging minute of man out to 800 yards.. Once you get out past that it's hard to get precise enough due to the bullet falling 10 inches every 10 yards.
Instead of using feet you need to use target size in yards. A 6 foot tall human is 2 yards. And 2 yards is equal to 1.7 meters. All these calculations are made in either yards or meters. So use inches and yards, or, centimeters and meters only. You won't get a proper answer if you use the number of feet. One yard equals three feet. If using a 6 foot tall human you also have a 2 yard tall human.
Learning!! 😎🤓is good!!! Excellent job
Appreciate the visual at the end. I’m a newbie. Trying to learn what I can.
Thank you Teacher! That was very informative.
Would've been better than when I learned with lack of sleep and hungry as hell in the military! Great information on the subject!
Best video ive ever seen to explain how to do this,,, especial for us math dummys like me,,, how about doing a video , with a few equasions in the different formats so we realy have it nailed
Excellent thank you,best moa mil video yet.
Ruben Gonzales Thank you Ruben and thanks for watching!
Thank you for doing this awesome video 👊💥👍
Thank you very much... Please continue to do these videos.
Excellent information !
Thanks for sharing that !
Excellent and through explanations on both. I was a little ichy-scratchy on this topic. Now I can easily use mils or moa. Good show and well done.
Terrilynnmyron Thank you and thanks for watching the channel.
@@XRING You really would make a freaking good teacher. Kudos
Terrilynnmyron Thank you. I never taught in school...... But I was an instructor for 14 years. Glad it kind of shows.
Thanks for the great info! I really appreciate it!
ive been looking all over for the formula in metric units, only source i could find, thanks!
My pleasure Belien.
Thanks for this easily understood video and real world demonstration. I have FFP and mil/mil turrets and reticles on both my competition scope (H59 reticle) and hunting scope (G3 reticle).
**I'm keeping your math formula on the reverse side of my dope cards for both rifles, (6.5 CM Ruger Precision Rifle and 6.5 PRC Browning X-Bolt Pro).
Eric B. Nice formulas to have for sure! Sounds like you have some great setups. Thanks for watching and commenting on the videos recently!
Great instruction by a rare good old boy. Thanks much, really.
This is a great explanation. Thanks
Now it makes sense. Well explained.
Thank you. Very well explained. I think I will get my next scope in Mils, since I am used to meters
Thanks David!
Thanks Ray! I'm sure I was dropped on my head as an infant, thus my math deficit. I'm going to write those numbers down and look forward to going to the range! Thank you very much! Adult learning...how fun
My pleasure Sunny Day! Thanks for watching and commenting on the channel.
Great video, very informative and understandable. Thanks👍
My pleasure Richard. Thanks for watching.
@@XRING cleared a lot of things up in my mind 👍
Great video! Thanks for the lesson. 🤠
My pleasure River Bend.
Excellent video! Appreciate the info!
Thank you! Awesome information.
Talk about a bullseye education! 🔥🔥👍👍
Well explained thank you for this info
This used to hurt my head in the army lol. We were always trained to be able to approximate these calculations in our heads in the (umlikely) event that our range finder broke and we didn't have a calculator..
Really great video, thanks !!!!
Whoah. Mind blown! Easy stuff. Thank you sir!,,,
My pleasure ! Thanks for watching.
Greatly appreciate the information!
About the best example I have watched yet
Thanks Robert
For anyone that needs it, 1 inch is exactly 2.54 cm.
Great content, thank you for the breakdown
My pleasure.
Very good explanation. Thanks.
Excellent explanation!
Chris ScudderFLA Thank you Chris and thanks for watching.
THANK YOU finally a mils and metres video 🤙🤙🤙
My pleasure Alekksander.
For mil you can use inchesx25.4÷mils and you get distance in meters. This way you don't have to guess the size of target in meters.
Nicely presented! Thanks!
Thanks woodstoney!
Very informative. Thank you.
Thnx for making the metric part 👍
Thanks Ray, The channel is like sesame street always teaching. LOL
Great Stuff Sir! & Yes its all about rockin the flannel ;)
Elias Bonilla Thanks Elias!
Very helpful. Thank you.
GREAT instruction Sir !
Indialantic Rob Thank you sir!
Thanks for posting videos
Formulas placed in YARDS and not METERS....Very Helpful. Better than multiplying my meters by .91 to get my yards distance. Thanks.
Thanks Andy! The first video I released only had yards so I updated it for everyone ! Thanks for watching.
This is excellent. Thank you
My pleasure Mark! Thanks for watching the channel . 👍🏼
Dude... You totally explained this whole scope reticle calculations stuff perfectly... Thax...!
Hey can you do a video on the schematics of the HORUS "Christmas Tree" Retical...?
Great video.
Great video. Thnx.
Awesome vid!! Thanks
Finally somebody explain it right !
Brilliant video thank you?
Great vid very informative 👍
Thanks Wayne.
Great video. Keep it up.
Zachary Ayala Thanks Zachary!
Nice thanks for sharing!
great video thanks
Great video
Got a 6.5 and my goal is 1mi. Thanks for the info. Need to hit 1000 first but I'm having fun.