Sure, it will be an extreme diff fight. But no way is Kizaru above Luffy right now. Those light beams are gonna be rubber once Luffy goes Gear 5. But of you want Kizaru to have a fighting chance. I at least give the stamina to the Admiral. Let's say Luffy humiliates him in Gear 5. But most likely will be unable to finish the job due to him turning into an old guy before he delivers the final blow.
Rob Lucci's thoughts on Luffy's strength are pretty irrelevant because he doesn't know that Luffy is holding back and he's still viewing Luffy as his rival without acknowledging him as an Emperor.
very true and the person who made this video watches kizaru piece cuz theres no shot kizaru will stand a chance against kaido heck against someone who beat kaido
Reyilegh didn’t beat Kizaru and Oda likes to mirror arcs. That being said the Reyilegh was successful in stalling the admiral while the straw hats were able to get away. I think luffy wont “win” the fight but he will be successful in letting his crew get away. This isn’t a fight to see who wins, both parties are trying to accomplish a goal and Luffy will not let Vegapunk die
Yeah but the thing is your not getting away unless kizaru is stopped, he is just way to fast, which is only done by KOing him. Unless you mean that Luffy will stay behind to handle kizaru while the strawhats flee to elbaf.
@@ryanstarr2389 if it is a long fight that would be the case, but I don't think ODA let them fight that long and create some drama in between to spoil it. But personally I hope this fight would be a little longer than that. And the interesting thing in this fight is not just about who will win it, but how they actually fight each other and how it will be choreographed.
Neither. I feel the fight will get disrupted somehow. Kizaru has the fastest devil fruit ability and is powerful, but Luffy is the main character and will somehow find ways to damage him. Won't be easy because we haven't seen him victorious against admiral's . He barely held his own again Fujitora. Against pirates is another thing. But he's gotten much stronger. Defeating Doflamingo, Kaido, and Katakuri are were no easy feats. But it'll be a nail biter if the fight drags on
Zoro is gonna struggle initially with lucci’s speed but zoro should be able to finish him in a few clean hits. But it might be difficult for zoro to land said hits.
@@Ben-iz9ud Zoro didn't speed blitz Kaido, he outmaneuvered him with the Asura, by parrying his countering blows. Besides, Kaido wasn't even trying at that point. Luffy saw the best of Kaido's speed feats, not Zoro.
I disagree that we can powerscale Kizaru to be weaker than Luffy. This is because he has never shown his ceiling. How strong he is is ambiguous. He could be stronger, could be weaker. We don't know. This is the most serious he has ever seemed. It does definitely feel like this isn't so much a "beat the antagonist!" type of situation but a "let's get outta here!" type of situation. The 1 thing that makes me think otherwise is the way Luffy was acting after the time skip I think it was, about how they trained so they wouldn't have to run away like at Sabaody (and then he handed the work to a Pacifista iirc).
This's not gonna be a walk in the park... but i think luffy is gonna win, becouse if they don't take out kizaru, he will follow the crew, so even if in this first fight they don't reach a clear winner, i think kizaru will be put down. As for the saturn vs sanji theory... we don't know how strong is saturn, so this could be a stomp for either side, a clos battle, or saturn is stronger and trigger a new power up for sanji... or any other way, we don't know.
He blocked that kick with haki Lucci isn't creditable when saying he and kizaru can take them when he got his ass beat Also don't downplay the strawhats sanji jimbe franky can all hold there own The admirals are strong but luffy not a slotch Also kizaru is a kaido victim And zoro is beating lucci no Matter how close and zoro goes for the kill always Downplay on the MC is crazy
That's what I'm saying u can hype up the admirals without downplaying the main cast like people really think kizaru didn't block with haki because his arm isn't black and their logic just seems disingenuous because neither is luffy all u can see is lightning and kizaru blocking which is indicating they both used haki
@@Petite1993 There are character that did it in post timeskip to and what I said is true it literally says it on the wiki why are you arguing. Also there was no lighting in the pre timeskip it had not been developed yet and u can see it with basic arm.
Luffy is currently at yonko/admiral tier, this will be a 50/50 fight yes but I think that this fight will end up getting interrupted by something so we won’t know the answer to who will win the fight
Isn't it weird how Sentomaru was sure he had blocked Lucci's attack, and surprised he still got hit ? Isn't that a hint of something, some particular ability Lucci may have, that hasn't been revealed yet ?
I think gear 5 would handle kizaru because he can rubberize his lasers and bounce them off him and surrounding areas. But I think we’re gonna see the drawback of gear 5, he ran out of stamina really fast going into gear 5. Maybe in this fight he can’t use it or it’ll be unusable for a moment of time. Then we can see if luffy can still match these opponents in his gear 4 state which could still somewhat go toe to toe with kaido. That’s would still be a really good showing for kizaru since he may also be holding back due to not being able to destroy things in egghead.
This is a take I still don’t get ppl are saying that luffy can just rubberized anything he touches… I don’t get that why wouldn’t he just rubberize kaidos boro breath or etc like don’t get me wrong he may very well be capable of doing it but it’s just an across the board assumption when in reality luffy rubberized and grabbed lightning because it’s electricity he’s rubber the correlation is there. I still think it may happen but I agree luffy could acc lose and either way it would be an extreme diff fight
@@sirski7525 the form is flawed gear five is too goofy makes mo sense. Its goofy to the point thats its too op for a the verse. To progress with the story gear five needs a huge nerf because no way anyone can beat that type of form rn its just beyonf one piece logic.
@@sirski7525 people still think gear give cant lose. Gear five isnt even luffy final form that means there still people out there stronger than gear five
@@Stargazer221 gear 5 is def his final form… he said it himself it’s his peak… oda gave him this form because it basically means luffy can do whatever he wants in terms of his abilities withouut having to have a gear 6 etc it’s good don’t get me wrong but the community doesn’t understand it all that well.. people literally think they anything he thinks he can bring to reality which just isn’t true… it’s grants him more freedom i when it comes to rubber and within the realm of rubber.
Even if Luffy might be too strong for Kizaru, there is a solution to this: The Blackbeard Pirates are on Egghead Island. They are known for being able to steal devil fruits, see what I'm getting at..? Just emagine this, Luffy is clashing with Kizaru, Luffy get's flown away by the sheer power of the Admiral. He get's up and is ready to get into Gear Fifth. But then, he realizes cannot feel Nika's heartbeat coming in. As he's standing there with immense shock in his eyes he mutters 'My devil fruit, it's like its disappeared'... Honestly this would have me shivering like it's the ice age...
Another thing that i'm pretty sure of, is that the Gorousei are basically Imu-sama, much like the vegapunks are Stella. So they share some of Imu power, but not the whole power. So Sanji taking on the god of science, wouldnt be far fetched.
I feel like luffy won't win nor kizaru cuase if you think about it kizaru has been holding back plus if he was defeated it would hurt the narrative for the final ear making the admirals weak, luffy losing would break all the buildup we had showcasing how luffy has grown since his defeat at sabody.IMO I think it will be a tie(pun intended)
Kizaru being beatin doesn’t mean all that much for the story, he is not a main villain like a kaido or Akainu. He just a stepping stone. Even if you think he should be a final boss for the straw hats…Luffy beating him here has nothing to do with kizaru fighting sanji in the future.
Yea man kizaru is so important man . Just like coby . Imagine if luffy beat Coby how bad it would be for narrative right , after all the Marines are the end villains in one peice right . Hell no. Imu and black beard and are main villians . Everyone else is just a stepping stone for luffy. It doesn't matter if they get beaten . They can be replaced .
Before watching a second of this. Luffy and his crew will create the biggest storm that will make them a respected Yonko crew after winning at Egghead. Period.
Here’s why Luffy should win against Kizaru because it’s been fucking 1000+ episodes and 20+ years of One piece. If he still loose against an admiral after obtaining god level power the series will drag on forever. I am not saying Luffy should be capable of soloing all admirals. But at-least he should be above Kizaru for now.
I dont know man. I mean luffy has an awakened zoan and mastered all forms of haki inclusing the advanced versions. Im going to give kizaru the benefit of the doubt an say he hes mastered armament and observation haki as well (including the advanced versions) but he has no conquerers haki and awakened mythical zoans are probably the most hax devil fruits there are (especially luffys). Luffys advanced conquerers haki should make it impossible for kizaru to compete (see luffy vs kaido before he got it). Fight should be low to mid diff. Though i doubt we will see an actual victor in this fight. It will probably be interrupted by something. Also i dont get people saying luffy is not there yet. Like he has literally mastered everything there is. What else is he supposed to get? A gun?
Luffy is definitely stronger then what we’ve seen from kizaru, and just going off scaling he should be able to beat kizaru which I said in the video. But I’m very skeptic about logia awakenings and their potential we just have to wait and see
They expected greenbull (a new admiral who's probably weaker than the og) to fight shanks, ben beckman, lucky roux, other members of shanks crew along with momonosuke, yamato, and everybody from wano alone.
@@inglewoodred5281 I never said kizaru would beat a full power g5, I even admitted luffy was stronger in g5, I said in this video that this fight would be close which it currently is…. Kizaru beats every form of luffy that isn’t g5
At the end of the day, if Kizaru is actually faster than Luffy, he's going to be a difficult opponent. Doesn't matter how strong Luffy is. An objective speed stat advantage is significant.
Watch episode 1074 and then type that comment again 😂 luffy was literally bouncing off lighting bolts so fast that kaido couldn’t even keep up with him even with his advanced observation haki, and u also cant forget luffy has advanced observation too so doesn’t matter how fast Kizaru is luffy can predict most of his attacks
@@quezstytoasted8684 You don't know how Oda writes if you think Kizaru is getting bodied. People who are the best at what they do are always revered in one piece. The strongest man in the world, the king of the beasts, the greatest offensive power, the greatest swordsman, etc. The list goes on and on. I think Luffy is stronger than Kizaru. My point was that if Kizaru truly is the fastest (which he very well probably is), he is a threat. Luffy may be faster by the end of the fight, but I can promise he is starting off slower.
The fact that the WG will lose to ,,power of friendship" is the biggest joke in one piece I was saying it for years the wg is the strongest organisation in this world the marines are strong as fuck and there just the ,,offical millitary might" of the government There have The mothers flame,seraphim,170 nations,imu,5 eldars,holy knights which probably comming in thousands of soldiers, the entire marines and we STILL DON'T KNOW THERE FULL STRENGTH if there really wanted too there could have just sneezed the yonkos away millenias ago And was angered me the most was this ,,even with our superior millitary might conquering wano is just impossible" Just use the fucking fishs big mom used to get up the waterfall you morons or besiege them thill there die from starvation how incompent are you ? Give me there power and roger would have never see the shores of raftel not in 1000 years !!!
I just hope Luffy will fodderize Kizaru so thing will going further. WG have 9 holy knights which explains by Dragon once WG mobilize them, the real thing will start begin. We also doesn't know how strong Saturn or Gorosei, counting 9 holy knights, and if Luffy and Kaido is downgrading to Kizaru level or Kizaru only slightly below Luffy and Kaido, there is no rational of the big war to happening. Since only Shanks who demonstrated the crazy power so far with one single powerful attack to Kid, only Shanks now or perhaps at new tier ceiling ready to battle with WG Top Fighter (And maybe Dragon we can bet as same with Shanks- so only 2 now who are clearly powerful enough to battle against a lot of WG Top Fighter). For me, admiral is top fighter for Marine not for the WG. Marine like a cop to WG. Where Yonko like big military power and country. How can big military power like Yonko can defeat by incident. This is Egghead incident. Don't forget, WG have thing behind their arsenal which is safe to say, are so crazy crazy strong. So Oda in the story should introduce some ceiling power, a few character will eliminate, like Kaido and BM, they are so powerful but not enough to benefit either side whether to the WG or to the side who against WG. I am not saying Admiral not powerful, admiral are crazy powerful but only when we compare with our 20 years commander level character. I think Yonko are crazy strong, only Oda delivered it in some big picture and when he delivered Wano arcs (for Luffy Vs Kaido, BM like been defeated by 2 admiral by many factor and careless); Gorosei even said Luffy Vs Kaido is "world class fights". My bet for the strongest is the series and very top strength in final war is all Yonko including (WB, & Roger, BB, Luffy, of course Buggy not included), 9 holy knights, Rayleigh, Ben Beckman, Zoro, Mihawk, and 2-3 Gorosei (maybe Saturn one of the strongest Gorosei), Imu, and Dragon. This guy others below them with the big margin. So my logic is, this mentioned name will starting to demonstrate by Oda have a crazy crazy strong strength in the making. If it happen otherwise, there is no need for final war already. WG just need to send Marine and tactical force, Pasifista, spherafim, 9 holy knights not for the big war, but just for great cleansing as the strengths between WG and the side who against WG are too big, so big, if Luffy & Zoro can't proves any crazy strength in gap with their current opponent.
Its implied by the narrative that admirals are capable of taking on the Yonkos, and maybe push them to extreme. But it depends on the circunstances of the battle.
The kaido disrespect is crazy 💀💀 Imagine being a 7 meter tall force of nature with all 3 types of advanced haki and a mythical zoan just for some goofy ahh two piece reader in comments saying that some bright dude who is high on meth with little to no haki feat can beat you💀
You are right, there is no way Gear 5 base is strong enough to beat admirals. The navy will not just go to Kong and the Gorosei as the only valid threats. No chance. The series has more time.
@@rikudousennin3190 buddy the kizaru fight didn't even ended yet and you in your eyes you see a world where kizaru loses against luffy then that would mean admirals are even stronger than yonkos hmm when the fight will end you will see the things you are saying ayo i know some people say yonko equal admirals but admirals stronger than yonkos nah
My eyes just kind of gloss over when people begin scaling the most inane shit to justify an outcome, nevermind that the writer ultimately determines who wins in the end.
@@IMO3530 bro it literally showed kizarus clone doing slight dmg which isint even going to dmg luffy and luffy can manipulate his attacks hes gonna wash him the cope is crazy
theres no cope the video explained that luffy was slightly stronger but this fight will be close and wont have an outcome i was spot on lil bro luffy hasnt scratched kizru yet@@alaska.-.
@@alaska.-.And what did luffy do to kizaru nothing lmao, so i guess the damage luffy took is less than the no damage that kizaru didnt take lmao..stop the cap
@@whiteshark3003 go read the scans he absolutely chucks him then no diffs his clones and then manipulates and dispels his ranged attack, yall seething kizaru is getting clapped the fact y’all can’t understand the story by now baffles me
Also remember that luffy is just smiling while watching admiral greenbull went rampage in wano. This shows that he too can now power scale his opponents. Luffy's personal grudge against kizaru is enough to finish him in just 1-2 chapters i think.
If luffy struggls then the whole wano arc was a pile of piece of garbage 🗑 waste what was the fuck the point of all those hype power ups beating kaido and shit 😑 if luffy lose or even struggle its the most disappointing pile of garbage writing ...and its gonna title garbage even more if they get beaten here and have another training arc a total.waste of potential ...🗑 garbage
It’s obvious Kaido is stronger than Kizaru. Kaido while carrying Onigashiam was fighting Killer, Zoro, Eustass, Trafalgar, and Luffy all at once. And I’m pretty sure that all 5 of those could beat an admiral.
Win or lose can we just get hyped the fact Luffy is able to even land a hit on kizaru like bro! He went from just standing by while kizaru almost killed zoro to straight up kicking this man (blocked or not) Luffy is ten toes down fighting an admiral this is lit!
Kizaru won't powercreep shit There are rules/power lvl in the one piece verse already established since the pre ts, so kizaru can't be stronger than kaido, it's a living world, admirals won't magically grow stronger for no reason, they need power up, but they are at their prime, they don't evolve All the admirals are weaker than the yonko it's shown again even after wano (GB and kaido, GB and shanks, kuzan and BB (captain > crewmate + higher bounty), kizaru and BB by rayleigh (same tier as kizaru but said he can't possibly win against BB while ray isn't even a DF user so imagine kizaru ...), admirals got a 3b bounty not 4 like the yonko) where 2 yonko were defeated
Luffy should not lose in a one on one fight with kizaru, he shouldn’t be losing to any of the admirals for that matter barring Akainu if you feel he is in a different league from the rest as fleet admiral. The only way this ends is either Luffy wins or it gets interrupted (which makes kizaru being here kinda lack luster but it’s oda).
Listen, Luffy with his awakening he could defeat Kizaru with out problem but the question is this, will it be one on one battle but he may have some mental break from Kizaru after his last battle with Luffy
Honestly I'm a Zoro stan but I'm just happy that he is able fight one of luffy's old opponents just to see how far he has come and how he stacks up to gear 5 Luffy! I don't want it to be easy fight for him though I like when he gets pushed 💯
luffy gonna win this yall overrate kizaru theres no feats that show that hes powerful he froze up when shanks pulled his sword up to his neck during film red and we know gear 5 is somewhat comparable to shanks cuz he defeated kaido in that form meanwhile if you wanna say base luffy fights then it could be a close fight but if its gear 5th i dont think it will be a close fight and sense luffy has adv conq and adv arm (its not confirmed that kizaru has conq haki) and can run at the speed of light is his base form with his future sight so he can dodge kizarus attacks its gonna be a close fight in base but in gear 5th luffy wins mid-high diff.
Lucci is freaking pathetic he was acting cool like "My friend is coming all of you are done!" and that's the type of lacky dialogue that wait for their boss
I would like to point out that given the situation on Egghead, Luffy does not need to defeat Kizaru in a fight. As long as he is able to stall him and push him away that will be good enough. I believe that Luffy is now strong enough to blow Kizaru away. On the other hand I think this fight will be interrupted by something. Secondly, I don't see Rob Lucci winning this. He may be giving Zoro a hard time, but he is in for a bad surprise if Zoro uses his CoC.
Being in base form does not in any way affect strength, they all are humans at the end of the day, all those who dont have devil fruits, Garp, Shanks, Mihawk etc, they all have only the human form and they have incredible strength.....In my opinion, Devil fruits adds variety of new capabilities but the strength of person should not vary.
This was what I thought beforehand: top five strongest currently 1. Akainu 2. Kizaru 3. Shanks 4. Kaido 5. Sun God Luffy I could be wrong though if Oda does otherwise.
I'll half to agree kizaru borsalino will indefinitely will receive the beating of a lifetime and so will one of the five elders sakazuki and ryokugyu this i know
Luffy won't beat Kizaru, because Oda has invested too much in Kizaru to have him be mid diffed by Luffy. Kizaru will lose to someone who will be pushed to extreme difficulty by him. IMO he'll fight Zoro and Sanji together.
He was never in denial that luffy was stronger then him he was just in denial of luffys yonko status, he even commented on luffys overwhelming power during their fight
I think you need to re read. You said Zoro pushed lucci out with no haki at 5:23 but lucci leg is colored in black and zoros swords are also shaded in black representing armament haki.
People doesn't seem to understand how a shonen works. The little pirates( yonko fans) think the one piece villains are not power creeped. Remembet how strong Doffy was like? Then when Luffy got to W.C.I, Craket made Doffy look like s minion and in Wano, everyone made the guys at W.C.I look weak in comparison. So, e Why the hell would any admiral( excluding Akainu) be weaker than a yonko? It does not makes sense narratively speaking
Sentomaru saying he has the strongest defense isn't meant to be taking literally he says this because vegapunk is the most important person in the world right now for the navy and a threat to the gorosei and sentomaru is vegapunks body guard so him saying that he has the strongest defence is saying that he was chosen to protect vegapunk over anyone else to protect him and be his sheild
Vegapunk has had his run for the money. Luffy will stall Kizaru. Zoro is already occupied by Lucci. I think Saturn will be the one to kill Vegapunk and ultimately Luffy will punch Saturn so badly. In this way this arc will mirror the Saobody arc. What I still dont know is what will Blackbeard pirates do.
Kiadio> kizaru mid diff Zoro> rob lucci mid diff Luffy> kizaru mid to high diff Let me pan out how sanji vs the one of the 5 elders would look like Saturn: *transforms into zoan* Sanji:*the fight starts and sanji disappears* Saturn: 👀👀
Honestly odas bad writing on the powerscaling aspect is what is ultimately going to be the downfall of what would’ve been the greatest anime of all time if he doesn’t fix this bs
He just dosent care about it tbh lmao, a big reason as in to why one piece is so good is that oda keeps on making people wonder what if X or Y happened
@@IMO3530 that’s not even remotely closer to true you people just don’t see it and I know everything I’m saying will come true he’s playing y’all for the fool if y’all actually believe bb and akainu are final villain material then lol
@@IMO3530 yes but when it’s all said and don the scaling will make sense and there’s certain things he’s set up where if he were to make certain characters perform certain feats it literally wouldn’t make sense that’s bad writing that’s just oda saying I can make this happen cuz I’m the author if you accept then you accept trash
honestly I believe that luffy is capable of putting kizaru in a bad position, the members of the gorosei or other enemy forces will probably arrive towards the middle or the end of the battle. so luffy will be weakened and he will perhaps fail because of that.. assuming that he gets captured, he and the members of the straw hats will manage to regain the upper hand over their enemies
I’d rather luffys final opponent be two villains at once than it be akainu and bb it makes zero sense for either of them to be that strong and one piece is already so different traditionally from a lot of Shonen this would literally further extend the greatness of one piece legacy when has there ever been two final villains a main. Character had to fight at once?
Luffy doesn't need to win this match to prove something nor I don't think they just make a clear winner out of this fight. It is more about how luffy fights with kizaru!? Will he struggle!? Will he put up a toe to toe fight!? Or this fight won't even last for audience to think about who will win and all!? I personally more interested about how luffy fights with kizaru rather than if he win it or not! My bet on if luffy do not win this fight, I don't think kizaru will win this fight either. Because making a winner out of this match is giving a clear statement on something. And I don't think the creator would make it that simple.
Kizaru doesn’t want to damage egghead island so it will be just like sabaody where kizaru holds back against luffy like Reyleigh wether he’s stronger or not
@@IMO3530 bro, I hope you read 10 times, again and again. Kizaru said "eliminate Vengapunk is still the ultimate mission". Second, Lucci determine to kill Vengapunk in 1092. Did you all get the real fact, 3 things Kizaru have to protect and the "mission" is "ELIMINATE VENGAPUNK". The mission is "Eliminate Vengapunk" since SHs there, they conditionally have to protect this 3. Then so Saturn is there. I don't know how Oda can settle his One Piece, if the reader can't comprehend the story and where it go to spark the great battle.
@@shukriabdshukor9591 I don’t think you understand English, you need to read what I said again and again and again and again, I never said anything contradicting his missions I just said he can destroy things which is literally what we saw him do. Oda can’t have fans who can’t comprehend others takes
No. Luffy wont lose, espcially after fighting Rob. If anything Kizaru is unintentionally going to assist gear 5. Since Luffys ability is based off his imagination, Kizaru is only going to assist Luffy to get even more creative and adapt to Kizarus fighting style and abilities.
Ngl I’m a huge zoro fan but even I knew that the fight between him a lucid will be close than again I do want zoro to win in the end but we can’t leave out the fact that lucci is a awaken zoan user
It's possible. Although kaido didn't fight Luffy in a 1v1. If they fought completely healthy I think he kaido wins high/extreme diff. Luffy may beat big mom honestly. They kinda did her dirty in her fight
@@gerardocovarrubias-b5xif u still think that currently Luffy can beat Kaido (The Kaido who didn't took Luffy seriously from the starting ) them bro U are just not reading OP correctly I m sorry but Currently fresh 1v1 b/w Kaido and Luffy Kaido wins Cuz Even if u take Gear 5 as an Advantage Luffy still can't maintain this form For a long time and This goes for Gear 4 too So Admiral such as Akainu and Aokiji who fought for at least 10 days Have a lots of stamina Luffy needs to figure out Something regarding these things Cuz he won't have Zoro or sanji everytime with him who will give him some time to Replenish Haki
@@teddysama5745 my bad So All I m saying is that in a fresh 1vs1 Luffy can't beat Kaido . Gear 4 and gear 5 forms can't be maintained for too Long Admirals have way too much Stamina so Luffy needs to figure out something cuz He won't have Zoro or sanji everytime with him through which he can replenish His Haki That's what I m trying to say
Respect kaido and respect zoro!! Luffy will destroy that cocky kizaru I'm actually hoping luffy turns kizarus light into rubber like he did with lighting. As for Zoro watch him one-shot your boy lucci
No one will win. Neither Luffy or Kizaru will be able to go out without destroying the island. Luffy will let his crew get away will keeping Kizaru in bay.
Ok we need to stop this no haki thing. Zoro, lucci and kizaru might have used haki. Oda is just not gonna draw every single instance of it. How did we not realize it yet? By this logic, king and queen no haki. Marco no haki. Doffy no haki. Etc etc etc.
Wtf yall smoking zoro having a tough fight and luffy. Now what if zoro awaken his eye during rob Lucci fight. Luffy beat kizaru in base form using haki watch
The power dynamic has changed for Yanko Luffy he leap frog over the admirals only threat is the 5 elders Eumi and the Shanks daddy and the holy knights . Admirals fell off .
Spoilers for 1092: - - - - - - - - - - Luffy is gonna use Gear5 against Kizaru as he is overpowered by him when used Gear4. Remind you that we saw Luffy using Advanced Haoshoku already against Borsalino in base. Meaning that Luffy needs Gear5 + Advanced Haki to fight against Admiral. This isn't any diffrent than against Kaido basically. Admirals (And It's not even Akainu or Aokiji) are able to push Luffy to his strongest. Luffy isn't Emperor level yet.
Rob lucci was coating his leg
Luffy packing up Kizaru, how else will we moving from this arc to Elbaf?
@@worldbosspf1 I believe he’s going to be winning the fight but not WIN the fight, their eventually going to get away
yea this is likely.
Sure, it will be an extreme diff fight. But no way is Kizaru above Luffy right now. Those light beams are gonna be rubber once Luffy goes Gear 5.
But of you want Kizaru to have a fighting chance. I at least give the stamina to the Admiral.
Let's say Luffy humiliates him in Gear 5. But most likely will be unable to finish the job due to him turning into an old guy before he delivers the final blow.
@@mstr293gear second with COAA is enough.
Rob Lucci's thoughts on Luffy's strength are pretty irrelevant because he doesn't know that Luffy is holding back and he's still viewing Luffy as his rival without acknowledging him as an Emperor.
very true and the person who made this video watches kizaru piece cuz theres no shot kizaru will stand a chance against kaido heck against someone who beat kaido
@@jleonlove7965Kaido got jumped and was holding up ongiashina
@@jleonlove7965did you see how many people jumped Kaido just to get a chance
He saw G5, though. That's not holding back too much, if you ask me.
@@almy-qy1lf It's holding back a whole lot since Luffy just wanted to play around in his new form.
Putting Kizaru>Kaido is a take only PCP addicts would make💀
Yeah, the Kaido slander is baffling
Kizaru may not power cliff kaido but akainu sure as hell will💀.
Nigga why isn’t he above kaido you just don’t know how to scale
@@DripJambekaido lava form ≈ Akainu?
@@thecaptain9212Akainu > Kaido. Kaido will be powercliffed soon lmao
Reyilegh didn’t beat Kizaru and Oda likes to mirror arcs. That being said the Reyilegh was successful in stalling the admiral while the straw hats were able to get away.
I think luffy wont “win” the fight but he will be successful in letting his crew get away. This isn’t a fight to see who wins, both parties are trying to accomplish a goal and Luffy will not let Vegapunk die
Yeah but the thing is your not getting away unless kizaru is stopped, he is just way to fast, which is only done by KOing him. Unless you mean that Luffy will stay behind to handle kizaru while the strawhats flee to elbaf.
@@ryanstarr2389 if it is a long fight that would be the case, but I don't think ODA let them fight that long and create some drama in between to spoil it. But personally I hope this fight would be a little longer than that. And the interesting thing in this fight is not just about who will win it, but how they actually fight each other and how it will be choreographed.
@@suryakumar1424 like that tho, there aren’t that many things that make a whole lot sense that would stop kizaru on his mission.
@@suryakumar1424all I’m saying is even if kizaru chases after the straw hats they could easily combo him into stopping
I never said Rayleigh beat kizaru
Place your bets now, my money's on luffy
mines on neither since neither one of them is gonna win
bro got sneak peaks at the future @@TheProphetLot 💀
Neither. I feel the fight will get disrupted somehow. Kizaru has the fastest devil fruit ability and is powerful, but Luffy is the main character and will somehow find ways to damage him.
Won't be easy because we haven't seen him victorious against admiral's . He barely held his own again Fujitora. Against pirates is another thing. But he's gotten much stronger. Defeating Doflamingo, Kaido, and Katakuri are were no easy feats. But it'll be a nail biter if the fight drags on
@@abeekuworldchanger380We saw his victory against the Yonko. Who are arguably as powerful or even more so than admirals.
Zoro is gonna struggle initially with lucci’s speed but zoro should be able to finish him in a few clean hits. But it might be difficult for zoro to land said hits.
Zoro speed blitz kaido. And was shown to hold his own in speed against sanji. He also handled king fairly well. He's not gonna be worried about lucci
@@Ben-iz9udyour dumb as hell dawg 😭 Zoro "speed blitz" kaido?? What he did was a move and it did not "speed blitz him"
@@Ben-iz9ud Zoro didn't speed blitz Kaido, he outmaneuvered him with the Asura, by parrying his countering blows.
Besides, Kaido wasn't even trying at that point. Luffy saw the best of Kaido's speed feats, not Zoro.
Zoro has Lucci . Zoro fought a Yonko and King . Zoro did hurt Kaido and Killed King and took a big attack from Kaido and Big Mom
@Jwasin3_1 he didn't take that big attack basically every bone in his body got broken after that putting him out of commission
I disagree that we can powerscale Kizaru to be weaker than Luffy. This is because he has never shown his ceiling. How strong he is is ambiguous. He could be stronger, could be weaker. We don't know. This is the most serious he has ever seemed.
It does definitely feel like this isn't so much a "beat the antagonist!" type of situation but a "let's get outta here!" type of situation. The 1 thing that makes me think otherwise is the way Luffy was acting after the time skip I think it was, about how they trained so they wouldn't have to run away like at Sabaody (and then he handed the work to a Pacifista iirc).
Luffy not winning hurts the future narrative ngl
Yh, I think this fight is a red herring for the real fight Luffy vs Saturn.
@@worldbosspf1 Im unsure about that
not by much
I find ppl who say this often dont have experience writing
@Loki4real14how tho? I’m not agreeing or disagreeing but how does it hurt the narrative?
This's not gonna be a walk in the park... but i think luffy is gonna win, becouse if they don't take out kizaru, he will follow the crew, so even if in this first fight they don't reach a clear winner, i think kizaru will be put down.
As for the saturn vs sanji theory... we don't know how strong is saturn, so this could be a stomp for either side, a clos battle, or saturn is stronger and trigger a new power up for sanji... or any other way, we don't know.
I've seen so many people underrate kizaru so it nice to see someone not do that
Agreed
Kizaru with weed>>>>op verse
Bro is trying to save his admiral stock 😂
He blocked that kick with haki
Lucci isn't creditable when saying he and kizaru can take them when he got his ass beat
Also don't downplay the strawhats sanji jimbe franky can all hold there own
The admirals are strong but luffy not a slotch
Also kizaru is a kaido victim
And zoro is beating lucci no Matter how close and zoro goes for the kill always
Downplay on the MC is crazy
Crazy takes
That's what I'm saying u can hype up the admirals without downplaying the main cast like people really think kizaru didn't block with haki because his arm isn't black and their logic just seems disingenuous because neither is luffy all u can see is lightning and kizaru blocking which is indicating they both used haki
@@dariusrhodes778 Exactly and it's been shown many times of characters using haki without their arms turning black or lighting coming off their body.
@@TheProphetLot Thats when it's pre timeskip or when the characters are using adv arm. Otherwise, what you said isn't true😂
@@Petite1993 There are character that did it in post timeskip to and what I said is true it literally says it on the wiki why are you arguing. Also there was no lighting in the pre timeskip it had not been developed yet and u can see it with basic arm.
“Lucci wasn’t using any Haki” *shows picture of his white pants with black armament coating on it*
Luffy is currently at yonko/admiral tier, this will be a 50/50 fight yes but I think that this fight will end up getting interrupted by something so we won’t know the answer to who will win the fight
He a yonko! Are you stupid or something, the ritual already says he is a yonko ,in base !
it isnt a 50/50 fight lmfao luffy will pick up kizarus laser attacks and throw them at him yall still underrate luffys fruit
@@jleonlove7965no the problem is underrating admirals
Luffy has to beat him in this fight to show to world government his truly a threat now
Isn't it weird how Sentomaru was sure he had blocked Lucci's attack, and surprised he still got hit ? Isn't that a hint of something, some particular ability Lucci may have, that hasn't been revealed yet ?
Or sentimaru is really overestimating his defenses since 2 ppl basically one shot him already
I think gear 5 would handle kizaru because he can rubberize his lasers and bounce them off him and surrounding areas. But I think we’re gonna see the drawback of gear 5, he ran out of stamina really fast going into gear 5. Maybe in this fight he can’t use it or it’ll be unusable for a moment of time. Then we can see if luffy can still match these opponents in his gear 4 state which could still somewhat go toe to toe with kaido. That’s would still be a really good showing for kizaru since he may also be holding back due to not being able to destroy things in egghead.
Gear 4 gunna is all he needs now since he just got a base power boost from training and kaido fight
This is a take I still don’t get ppl are saying that luffy can just rubberized anything he touches… I don’t get that why wouldn’t he just rubberize kaidos boro breath or etc like don’t get me wrong he may very well be capable of doing it but it’s just an across the board assumption when in reality luffy rubberized and grabbed lightning because it’s electricity he’s rubber the correlation is there. I still think it may happen but I agree luffy could acc lose and either way it would be an extreme diff fight
@@sirski7525 the form is flawed gear five is too goofy makes mo sense. Its goofy to the point thats its too op for a the verse. To progress with the story gear five needs a huge nerf because no way anyone can beat that type of form rn its just beyonf one piece logic.
@@sirski7525 people still think gear give cant lose. Gear five isnt even luffy final form that means there still people out there stronger than gear five
@@Stargazer221 gear 5 is def his final form… he said it himself it’s his peak… oda gave him this form because it basically means luffy can do whatever he wants in terms of his abilities withouut having to have a gear 6 etc it’s good don’t get me wrong but the community doesn’t understand it all that well.. people literally think they anything he thinks he can bring to reality which just isn’t true… it’s grants him more freedom i when it comes to rubber and within the realm of rubber.
Even if Luffy might be too strong for Kizaru, there is a solution to this: The Blackbeard Pirates are on Egghead Island. They are known for being able to steal devil fruits, see what I'm getting at..? Just emagine this, Luffy is clashing with Kizaru, Luffy get's flown away by the sheer power of the Admiral. He get's up and is ready to get into Gear Fifth. But then, he realizes cannot feel Nika's heartbeat coming in. As he's standing there with immense shock in his eyes he mutters 'My devil fruit, it's like its disappeared'...
Honestly this would have me shivering like it's the ice age...
the user needs to die for them to steal it though.
Stop smoking we*ds plss
@@namelessone4677yeah,luffy is not dying again 😂😂😂
@@agbarakelechukwu199 of course since he already awakened the nika fruit.
Another thing that i'm pretty sure of, is that the Gorousei are basically Imu-sama, much like the vegapunks are Stella.
So they share some of Imu power, but not the whole power. So Sanji taking on the god of science, wouldnt be far fetched.
Oda always introduces things like that that parellel at similar times too, they could be
I feel like luffy won't win nor kizaru cuase if you think about it kizaru has been holding back plus if he was defeated it would hurt the narrative for the final ear making the admirals weak, luffy losing would break all the buildup we had showcasing how luffy has grown since his defeat at sabody.IMO I think it will be a tie(pun intended)
Holy knights=>Admirals
@@Hazzouna I agree
Kizaru being beatin doesn’t mean all that much for the story, he is not a main villain like a kaido or Akainu. He just a stepping stone. Even if you think he should be a final boss for the straw hats…Luffy beating him here has nothing to do with kizaru fighting sanji in the future.
Yea man kizaru is so important man . Just like coby . Imagine if luffy beat Coby how bad it would be for narrative right , after all the Marines are the end villains in one peice right .
Hell no.
Imu and black beard and are main villians . Everyone else is just a stepping stone for luffy. It doesn't matter if they get beaten . They can be replaced .
Before watching a second of this. Luffy and his crew will create the biggest storm that will make them a respected Yonko crew after winning at Egghead. Period.
Here’s why Luffy should win against Kizaru because it’s been fucking 1000+ episodes and 20+ years of One piece. If he still loose against an admiral after obtaining god level power the series will drag on forever. I am not saying Luffy should be capable of soloing all admirals. But at-least he should be above Kizaru for now.
I dont know man. I mean luffy has an awakened zoan and mastered all forms of haki inclusing the advanced versions. Im going to give kizaru the benefit of the doubt an say he hes mastered armament and observation haki as well (including the advanced versions) but he has no conquerers haki and awakened mythical zoans are probably the most hax devil fruits there are (especially luffys). Luffys advanced conquerers haki should make it impossible for kizaru to compete (see luffy vs kaido before he got it). Fight should be low to mid diff. Though i doubt we will see an actual victor in this fight. It will probably be interrupted by something.
Also i dont get people saying luffy is not there yet. Like he has literally mastered everything there is. What else is he supposed to get? A gun?
Luffy is definitely stronger then what we’ve seen from kizaru, and just going off scaling he should be able to beat kizaru which I said in the video. But I’m very skeptic about logia awakenings and their potential we just have to wait and see
They expected greenbull (a new admiral who's probably weaker than the og) to fight shanks, ben beckman, lucky roux, other members of shanks crew along with momonosuke, yamato, and everybody from wano alone.
Can’t wait til your eating your words 😂😂
This video aged well, spoilers are out, kizaru beat up a gear 4 luffy 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@IMO3530 kizaru kicked him and then he went into G5 so saying he beat him up is a stretch right now
@@inglewoodred5281 I never said kizaru would beat a full power g5, I even admitted luffy was stronger in g5, I said in this video that this fight would be close which it currently is…. Kizaru beats every form of luffy that isn’t g5
@@IMO3530sooo clickbait title? 😂
@@tupacmontesbu5538 how else would I title my explanation of luffy not winning the fight?
At the end of the day, if Kizaru is actually faster than Luffy, he's going to be a difficult opponent. Doesn't matter how strong Luffy is. An objective speed stat advantage is significant.
Luufys the main character 💀
@@animoments8969yeah hes the main character yet kaido k.o him like 4 mf times
Watch episode 1074 and then type that comment again 😂 luffy was literally bouncing off lighting bolts so fast that kaido couldn’t even keep up with him even with his advanced observation haki, and u also cant forget luffy has advanced observation too so doesn’t matter how fast Kizaru is luffy can predict most of his attacks
@@quezstytoasted8684 You don't know how Oda writes if you think Kizaru is getting bodied. People who are the best at what they do are always revered in one piece. The strongest man in the world, the king of the beasts, the greatest offensive power, the greatest swordsman, etc. The list goes on and on. I think Luffy is stronger than Kizaru. My point was that if Kizaru truly is the fastest (which he very well probably is), he is a threat. Luffy may be faster by the end of the fight, but I can promise he is starting off slower.
@@JayPeeh455. Not when he had awakening. As of now he is on a whole another level bro
The fact that the WG will lose to ,,power of friendship" is the biggest joke in one piece
I was saying it for years the wg is the strongest organisation in this world the marines are strong as fuck and there just the ,,offical millitary might" of the government
There have
The mothers flame,seraphim,170 nations,imu,5 eldars,holy knights which probably comming in thousands of soldiers, the entire marines and we STILL DON'T KNOW THERE FULL STRENGTH if there really wanted too there could have just sneezed the yonkos away millenias ago
And was angered me the most was this ,,even with our superior millitary might conquering wano is just impossible"
Just use the fucking fishs big mom used to get up the waterfall you morons or besiege them thill there die from starvation how incompent are you ?
Give me there power and roger would have never see the shores of raftel not in 1000 years !!!
Bro is cooking 😭😭
I just hope Luffy will fodderize Kizaru so thing will going further. WG have 9 holy knights which explains by Dragon once WG mobilize them, the real thing will start begin. We also doesn't know how strong Saturn or Gorosei, counting 9 holy knights, and if Luffy and Kaido is downgrading to Kizaru level or Kizaru only slightly below Luffy and Kaido, there is no rational of the big war to happening. Since only Shanks who demonstrated the crazy power so far with one single powerful attack to Kid, only Shanks now or perhaps at new tier ceiling ready to battle with WG Top Fighter (And maybe Dragon we can bet as same with Shanks- so only 2 now who are clearly powerful enough to battle against a lot of WG Top Fighter). For me, admiral is top fighter for Marine not for the WG. Marine like a cop to WG. Where Yonko like big military power and country. How can big military power like Yonko can defeat by incident. This is Egghead incident. Don't forget, WG have thing behind their arsenal which is safe to say, are so crazy crazy strong.
So Oda in the story should introduce some ceiling power, a few character will eliminate, like Kaido and BM, they are so powerful but not enough to benefit either side whether to the WG or to the side who against WG.
I am not saying Admiral not powerful, admiral are crazy powerful but only when we compare with our 20 years commander level character.
I think Yonko are crazy strong, only Oda delivered it in some big picture and when he delivered Wano arcs (for Luffy Vs Kaido, BM like been defeated by 2 admiral by many factor and careless); Gorosei even said Luffy Vs Kaido is "world class fights".
My bet for the strongest is the series and very top strength in final war is all Yonko including (WB, & Roger, BB, Luffy, of course Buggy not included), 9 holy knights, Rayleigh, Ben Beckman, Zoro, Mihawk, and 2-3 Gorosei (maybe Saturn one of the strongest Gorosei), Imu, and Dragon. This guy others below them with the big margin.
So my logic is, this mentioned name will starting to demonstrate by Oda have a crazy crazy strong strength in the making. If it happen otherwise, there is no need for final war already. WG just need to send Marine and tactical force, Pasifista, spherafim, 9 holy knights not for the big war, but just for great cleansing as the strengths between WG and the side who against WG are too big, so big, if Luffy & Zoro can't proves any crazy strength in gap with their current opponent.
Its implied by the narrative that admirals are capable of taking on the Yonkos, and maybe push them to extreme. But it depends on the circunstances of the battle.
It's implied that they are a whole different force from the yonko
@@TheProphetLot Yes they are. Have you seen a Yonko with a Logia fruit? Thats the only difference.
Blackbeard lmao@@felipesignore5572
@@felipesignore5572mythical zoans are much stronger then a. Logia
The kaido disrespect is crazy 💀💀
Imagine being a 7 meter tall force of nature with all 3 types of advanced haki and a mythical zoan just for some goofy ahh two piece reader in comments saying that some bright dude who is high on meth with little to no haki feat can beat you💀
😂😂
You are right, there is no way Gear 5 base is strong enough to beat admirals. The navy will not just go to Kong and the Gorosei as the only valid threats. No chance. The series has more time.
No strong enough to beat admirals did you forget luffy is a yonko did you not see luffy having kizaru on his hands
@@Ectoooooand deal 0 damage?
@@rikudousennin3190 buddy the kizaru fight didn't even ended yet and you in your eyes you see a world where kizaru loses against luffy then that would mean admirals are even stronger than yonkos hmm when the fight will end you will see the things you are saying ayo i know some people say yonko equal admirals but admirals stronger than yonkos nah
@@Ectooooo Yeah, Luffy beat kizaru with a well place punch to the head.
My eyes just kind of gloss over when people begin scaling the most inane shit to justify an outcome, nevermind that the writer ultimately determines who wins in the end.
This man is putting all his money in the Lucci and Kizaru stocks. I hope you make it dude.
WE MADE ITTTTT
@@IMO3530 Agenda Piece is real
this is going to age so terribly LMAO i don’t even need to say anything just this age like fine wine
This already aged extremely well with 1093 spoilers, this is a close fight
@@IMO3530 bro it literally showed kizarus clone doing slight dmg which isint even going to dmg luffy and luffy can manipulate his attacks hes gonna wash him the cope is crazy
theres no cope the video explained that luffy was slightly stronger but this fight will be close and wont have an outcome i was spot on lil bro luffy hasnt scratched kizru yet@@alaska.-.
@@alaska.-.And what did luffy do to kizaru nothing lmao, so i guess the damage luffy took is less than the no damage that kizaru didnt take lmao..stop the cap
@@whiteshark3003 go read the scans he absolutely chucks him then no diffs his clones and then manipulates and dispels his ranged attack, yall seething kizaru is getting clapped the fact y’all can’t understand the story by now baffles me
i love how he talk exactly like i imagine a young crocodile would talk
(like his pfp)
Of course Zoro is gonna fail to beat Lucci. He's too light skinned for the Minority Hunter.
LOL
Also remember that luffy is just smiling while watching admiral greenbull went rampage in wano. This shows that he too can now power scale his opponents. Luffy's personal grudge against kizaru is enough to finish him in just 1-2 chapters i think.
If luffy struggls then the whole wano arc was a pile of piece of garbage 🗑 waste what was the fuck the point of all those hype power ups beating kaido and shit 😑 if luffy lose or even struggle its the most disappointing pile of garbage writing ...and its gonna title garbage even more if they get beaten here and have another training arc a total.waste of potential ...🗑 garbage
This did not age well
It aged perfectly if you actually watched the video.
yeah it definitely dude stop the cap@@IMO3530
@@IMO3530 it aged like pure doo doo if you saw the latest chapter
Hey IMO could you make a video on akainu .
After I finish this next video my man
@@IMO3530 cool
@@IMO3530 bro can you make a video on akainu
@@IMO3530 pls
It’s obvious Kaido is stronger than Kizaru. Kaido while carrying Onigashiam was fighting Killer, Zoro, Eustass, Trafalgar, and Luffy all at once. And I’m pretty sure that all 5 of those could beat an admiral.
Win or lose can we just get hyped the fact Luffy is able to even land a hit on kizaru like bro! He went from just standing by while kizaru almost killed zoro to straight up kicking this man (blocked or not) Luffy is ten toes down fighting an admiral this is lit!
w vid
Now luffy is done with playing around with kizaru and Saturn..
Both Lucci and Zoro used haki.
Not a huge Zoro fan but ...I think one of lucci's legs was black and Zoro's swords also black indicating haki.😁
Yh I noticed this morning I was editing this video for 20 hours straight so I didn’t notice 😭
Fight will have no conclusion is the most logical prediction. Yonko= admiral. Crydo powercliff has begun
“jUsT cLIcK ofF tHe VIdEo, bRuH”
Kizaru won't powercreep shit
There are rules/power lvl in the one piece verse already established since the pre ts, so kizaru can't be stronger than kaido, it's a living world, admirals won't magically grow stronger for no reason, they need power up, but they are at their prime, they don't evolve
All the admirals are weaker than the yonko it's shown again even after wano (GB and kaido, GB and shanks, kuzan and BB (captain > crewmate + higher bounty), kizaru and BB by rayleigh (same tier as kizaru but said he can't possibly win against BB while ray isn't even a DF user so imagine kizaru ...), admirals got a 3b bounty not 4 like the yonko) where 2 yonko were defeated
This aged very well
Luffy should not lose in a one on one fight with kizaru, he shouldn’t be losing to any of the admirals for that matter barring Akainu if you feel he is in a different league from the rest as fleet admiral. The only way this ends is either Luffy wins or it gets interrupted (which makes kizaru being here kinda lack luster but it’s oda).
Listen, Luffy with his awakening he could defeat Kizaru with out problem but the question is this, will it be one on one battle but he may have some mental break from Kizaru after his last battle with Luffy
Honestly I'm a Zoro stan but I'm just happy that he is able fight one of luffy's old opponents just to see how far he has come and how he stacks up to gear 5 Luffy! I don't want it to be easy fight for him though I like when he gets pushed 💯
Lmao i love your humor bro
Even if kizaru by some miracle oda made him stronger than kaido I’d still deny I could never except trash writing ever
luffy gonna win this yall overrate kizaru theres no feats that show that hes powerful he froze up when shanks pulled his sword up to his neck during film red and we know gear 5 is somewhat comparable to shanks cuz he defeated kaido in that form meanwhile if you wanna say base luffy fights then it could be a close fight but if its gear 5th i dont think it will be a close fight and sense luffy has adv conq and adv arm (its not confirmed that kizaru has conq haki) and can run at the speed of light is his base form with his future sight so he can dodge kizarus attacks its gonna be a close fight in base but in gear 5th luffy wins mid-high diff.
😂 man you all are coping hard he is about to have a feat. I support you and your coping
name a single feat he has@@awangthier407
hes gonna have one feat thats fighting kizaru@@awangthier407
Calling it now. Luffy gets stomped by Kizaru.
this aged well like milk
@@Wasnt-1 💀💀 totally!
Wasn’t expecting Kiz to tap out so easily 😂
narritively it makes sense for luffy to win the fight
Very good editing in this video 💪
Lucci is freaking pathetic he was acting cool like "My friend is coming all of you are done!" and that's the type of lacky dialogue that wait for their boss
Zoro will struggle with Lucci simply because Lucci isnt a minority
This aged well
I would like to point out that given the situation on Egghead, Luffy does not need to defeat Kizaru in a fight. As long as he is able to stall him and push him away that will be good enough. I believe that Luffy is now strong enough to blow Kizaru away. On the other hand I think this fight will be interrupted by something. Secondly, I don't see Rob Lucci winning this. He may be giving Zoro a hard time, but he is in for a bad surprise if Zoro uses his CoC.
Being in base form does not in any way affect strength, they all are humans at the end of the day, all those who dont have devil fruits, Garp, Shanks, Mihawk etc, they all have only the human form and they have incredible strength.....In my opinion, Devil fruits adds variety of new capabilities but the strength of person should not vary.
Never let this man cook
This was what I thought beforehand:
top five strongest currently
1. Akainu
2. Kizaru
3. Shanks
4. Kaido
5. Sun God Luffy
I could be wrong though if Oda does otherwise.
Kaido is not below kizaru
And Luffy and shanks are not below him either
I should keep Kaido at the top and Then Admirals and Bout Shanks we don't know much bout him
I agree with this list but where mihawk?
@@GUYFROMEldos cope
I'll half to agree kizaru borsalino will indefinitely will receive the beating of a lifetime and so will one of the five elders sakazuki and ryokugyu this i know
Luffy won't beat Kizaru, because Oda has invested too much in Kizaru to have him be mid diffed by Luffy.
Kizaru will lose to someone who will be pushed to extreme difficulty by him.
IMO he'll fight Zoro and Sanji together.
remember shanks stopped 2 admirals with haki only lol
Lucci is literally in denial that Luffy's way above him now. Are you really gonna trust his judgement?
He was never in denial that luffy was stronger then him he was just in denial of luffys yonko status, he even commented on luffys overwhelming power during their fight
If luffy Won't Win. Wano Arc is Useless.
Luffy Overpowered Kaido One of the EMPERORS.
Luffy Proclaimed One of the EMPERORS.
I think you need to re read. You said Zoro pushed lucci out with no haki at 5:23 but lucci leg is colored in black and zoros swords are also shaded in black representing armament haki.
People doesn't seem to understand how a shonen works. The little pirates( yonko fans) think the one piece villains are not power creeped. Remembet how strong Doffy was like? Then when Luffy got to W.C.I, Craket made Doffy look like s minion and in Wano, everyone made the guys at W.C.I look weak in comparison.
So, e
Why the hell would any admiral( excluding Akainu) be weaker than a yonko? It does not makes sense narratively speaking
5:29 rob lucci is clearly coating his leg in armament haki.
Sentomaru saying he has the strongest defense isn't meant to be taking literally he says this because vegapunk is the most important person in the world right now for the navy and a threat to the gorosei and sentomaru is vegapunks body guard so him saying that he has the strongest defence is saying that he was chosen to protect vegapunk over anyone else to protect him and be his sheild
Vegapunk has had his run for the money. Luffy will stall Kizaru. Zoro is already occupied by Lucci. I think Saturn will be the one to kill Vegapunk and ultimately Luffy will punch Saturn so badly. In this way this arc will mirror the Saobody arc. What I still dont know is what will Blackbeard pirates do.
We won’t know until the chapter releases
Kiadio> kizaru mid diff
Zoro> rob lucci mid diff
Luffy> kizaru mid to high diff
Let me pan out how sanji vs the one of the 5 elders would look like
Saturn: *transforms into zoan*
Sanji:*the fight starts and sanji disappears*
Saturn: 👀👀
How is luffy mid diff kizaru when he use g5 and cant even deal any damage to kizaru yet?
Honestly odas bad writing on the powerscaling aspect is what is ultimately going to be the downfall of what would’ve been the greatest anime of all time if he doesn’t fix this bs
He just dosent care about it tbh lmao, a big reason as in to why one piece is so good is that oda keeps on making people wonder what if X or Y happened
@@IMO3530 that’s not even remotely closer to true you people just don’t see it and I know everything I’m saying will come true he’s playing y’all for the fool if y’all actually believe bb and akainu are final villain material then lol
@@IMO3530 yes but when it’s all said and don the scaling will make sense and there’s certain things he’s set up where if he were to make certain characters perform certain feats it literally wouldn’t make sense that’s bad writing that’s just oda saying I can make this happen cuz I’m the author if you accept then you accept trash
BB and akainu arent the final villians I believe their luffys final obstacles to becoming the PK but the actual end game is gonna be IMU@@justhere6507
@@IMO3530 thank you
honestly I believe that luffy is capable of putting kizaru in a bad position, the members of the gorosei or other enemy forces will probably arrive towards the middle or the end of the battle. so luffy will be weakened and he will perhaps fail because of that.. assuming that he gets captured, he and the members of the straw hats will manage to regain the upper hand over their enemies
The only thing I disagree with here is the things about Saturn
I’m just not understanding why people think these elders are gonna be top tiers
lucci might pull something that will shock us we never know
I’d rather luffys final opponent be two villains at once than it be akainu and bb it makes zero sense for either of them to be that strong and one piece is already so different traditionally from a lot of Shonen this would literally further extend the greatness of one piece legacy when has there ever been two final villains a main. Character had to fight at once?
Tbh, people roasting greenbull gets me mad af
Sanji and luffy is going to tag team saturn
remember in skypia the first priest was defeated by sanji and luffy
Luffy doesn't need to win this match to prove something nor I don't think they just make a clear winner out of this fight. It is more about how luffy fights with kizaru!?
Will he struggle!?
Will he put up a toe to toe fight!? Or this fight won't even last for audience to think about who will win and all!?
I personally more interested about how luffy fights with kizaru rather than if he win it or not!
My bet on if luffy do not win this fight, I don't think kizaru will win this fight either. Because making a winner out of this match is giving a clear statement on something. And I don't think the creator would make it that simple.
what are you up too didn't you read manga chapter 1092 luffy beat kizaru mid diff and you saying kizaru stronger than luff
Luffy gear 5th is already the strongest, he can do literally anything.
Kizaru doesn’t want to damage egghead island so it will be just like sabaody where kizaru holds back against luffy like Reyleigh wether he’s stronger or not
He literally just blew up good portions of it in his fight against sentomaru bro there are only specific things he can’t destroy
@@IMO3530 bro, I hope you read 10 times, again and again. Kizaru said "eliminate Vengapunk is still the ultimate mission". Second, Lucci determine to kill Vengapunk in 1092. Did you all get the real fact, 3 things Kizaru have to protect and the "mission" is "ELIMINATE VENGAPUNK". The mission is "Eliminate Vengapunk" since SHs there, they conditionally have to protect this 3. Then so Saturn is there. I don't know how Oda can settle his One Piece, if the reader can't comprehend the story and where it go to spark the great battle.
@@shukriabdshukor9591 I don’t think you understand English, you need to read what I said again and again and again and again, I never said anything contradicting his missions I just said he can destroy things which is literally what we saw him do. Oda can’t have fans who can’t comprehend others takes
id say kizaru is mid yonko tier, luffy is also mid-high yonko tier so its a close matchup
No. Luffy wont lose, espcially after fighting Rob. If anything Kizaru is unintentionally going to assist gear 5. Since Luffys ability is based off his imagination, Kizaru is only going to assist Luffy to get even more creative and adapt to Kizarus fighting style and abilities.
Ngl I’m a huge zoro fan but even I knew that the fight between him a lucid will be close than again I do want zoro to win in the end but we can’t leave out the fact that lucci is a awaken zoan user
lucci doesnt have conq haki while zoro does lol. is luci stronger than king?
" -KAIDO- KIZARU WILL BEAT LUFFY AND THE -RAID- ESCAPE WILL FAIL! "
Don't compare Greenbull with likes of Kizaru and Akainu We do know That Akainu and Kizaru both have OP DF
IMO why not Luffy beat Kaido does that mean Borsalino is more stronger than Kaido and big mom
It's possible. Although kaido didn't fight Luffy in a 1v1. If they fought completely healthy I think he kaido wins high/extreme diff. Luffy may beat big mom honestly. They kinda did her dirty in her fight
@@mememachine2013 are you doubting Luffy one V1 don’t make me laugh Luffy has already surpassed Kaido
@@gerardocovarrubias-b5xif u still think that currently Luffy can beat Kaido (The Kaido who didn't took Luffy seriously from the starting ) them bro U are just not reading OP correctly I m sorry but Currently fresh 1v1 b/w Kaido and Luffy Kaido wins Cuz Even if u take Gear 5 as an Advantage Luffy still can't maintain this form For a long time and This goes for Gear 4 too So Admiral such as Akainu and Aokiji who fought for at least 10 days Have a lots of stamina Luffy needs to figure out Something regarding these things Cuz he won't have Zoro or sanji everytime with him who will give him some time to Replenish Haki
@@mahirsharma7789use punctuation if u want us to understand what u r talking about
@@teddysama5745 my bad So All I m saying is that in a fresh 1vs1 Luffy can't beat Kaido . Gear 4 and gear 5 forms can't be maintained for too Long Admirals have way too much Stamina so Luffy needs to figure out something cuz He won't have Zoro or sanji everytime with him through which he can replenish His Haki That's what I m trying to say
Respect kaido and respect zoro!! Luffy will destroy that cocky kizaru I'm actually hoping luffy turns kizarus light into rubber like he did with lighting. As for Zoro watch him one-shot your boy lucci
Facts yo
No one will win. Neither Luffy or Kizaru will be able to go out without destroying the island. Luffy will let his crew get away will keeping Kizaru in bay.
Ok we need to stop this no haki thing. Zoro, lucci and kizaru might have used haki. Oda is just not gonna draw every single instance of it. How did we not realize it yet? By this logic, king and queen no haki. Marco no haki. Doffy no haki. Etc etc etc.
2:25, he defenetly used some haki.
if i were i would'nt be so cocky about luffy you can't predicted about the next chapter and fight just let oda cooked
Wtf yall smoking zoro having a tough fight and luffy. Now what if zoro awaken his eye during rob Lucci fight. Luffy beat kizaru in base form using haki watch
The power dynamic has changed for Yanko Luffy he leap frog over the admirals only threat is the 5 elders Eumi and the Shanks daddy and the holy knights . Admirals fell off .
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Luffy is gonna use Gear5 against Kizaru as he is overpowered by him when used Gear4.
Remind you that we saw Luffy using Advanced Haoshoku already against Borsalino in base.
Meaning that Luffy needs Gear5 + Advanced Haki to fight against Admiral.
This isn't any diffrent than against Kaido basically.
Admirals (And It's not even Akainu or Aokiji) are able to push Luffy to his strongest.
Luffy isn't Emperor level yet.
Bro has beef with zoro