The best way to do all your Naval battles is to have one Admiral flagship V rate and send him in to disable the sails of the whole Fleet by doing flanking maneuver at max range, you keep the enemy at max range until his sails are disabled and work your way down this whole Fleet and then come up from behind and attack each ship making them surrender. This way you can sell off all of his combat ships in repair all of his trade ships and use those to make money and more than one way
In Empire total war Navies are extremely useful for transport, blockading trade routes which gives your foe less income and thus a smaller army, and they are needed to protect trade convoys that are going to places like the Ivory coast.
I live for ship combat in these games. I should've been Admiral Nelsons first mate lol Using the wind is very important also. The heavy first rate ships are so fucking powerful. Love watching them fire volleys and then watch them hit the enemy ship. Just ripping chunks of wood out and splintering pieces off left and right. That rocket ship is very nice. If you had 2 in this battle it would've been over 50% faster I bet. Since the AI is just ridiculous lol and got tangled up. Anybody ever use the carronades? Small ships with huge guns and short range? Hit and run attacks with it maybe? A good early ship maybe?
Naval battles are everything, without naval battles i dont really care that much about empire or napoleon tbh. Thats not the only reason but main reason is naval battles, pirates and that time period when galleons, fluyts and all the beautiful ships ruled the seas and oceans.
nice one dude well helpful to me. naval battles i have not really played in any other games so i had no real clue what to do with my ship till now so again big thumbs up
one question... i've tried this famed tactic known as "crossing the T" made famous by Nelson... but when i try it it works for a while but then one of my ships rams an enemy ship and then the formation goes all to hell... i found a tactic where if you put ur armada into two lines and have them run parallel to each other with the enemy line in the middle works effectively in surrounding and annihilating the enemy... your thoughts?
I think crossing the T was highly dependent on three factors, one of which is difficult to have in the game, and another one would have to drastically alter the gameplay: 1. Long range engagements tended to be less accurate than they're portrayed in the game OR the guns got SIGNIFICANTLY more deadly at close range (I don't know which, but it generally seems like naval engagements were decided in pretty close ranges, closer than in this video) 2. The French tended to aim for the enemy rigging more than the British. In Trafalgar they actually fired too high for most of the approach of the British, so that much of the rigging was actually intact once they came to close quarter combat. 3. The British crews were far more experienced which led to fewer mistakes (collisions or getting out of formation) and a higher rate of fire.
hey do you move the mas a team?I kinda don't get that, do when you group them, do you still need to select all of them to move? or just select the 1st ship and the rest will follow? nice vid btw. /no1
Nice video man, I've been too used to hand to hand land battles form the older total war series and couldn't quite get naval battles but this really helped!
line of stern is a sound tactic but an experienced player can easily smash up a line of stern. the best thing to do wen an enemy deploys in a line is to intersect his line perpendicularly at more than one point. your ships will be firing both their broadsides along the length of the enemy's ships (a raking shot). if u have the wind guage this tactic works every single time.
i would like to see the faction that challenges u the most! Vid TOPIC= How to overcome 15k or less in the hole. I dont have this total war YET but i have med2 and i love ur vids!!!!! keep up the good work & i look forward to watching ur other vids!!!!!!!!!! thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
Just a question, have you played Napoleon Total War? It was on sale a while ago and got it, but the range of my ships is nowhere near this huge. Was it patched in both games or is this some historical thing?
yea ramming is common... thats where your micromanagement kicks in. and that's exactly what Lord Neslon did at Trafalgar anyway, he crossed the Franco-Spanish fleet with 2 lines. but one thing everyone should keep in mind is that crossing the T is useless when your fleet is sailing downwind (i.e against the wind).
A tactic I tried when my (AI) opponent was using the standard line astern/column formation was to form my fleet (about 3 3rd or 4th rates and several brigs) into a crescent (envelop) and I sailed them right at the enemy. At the last minute I got them to break formation and do a 90 degree turn all at once, allowing them all to fire broadsides at once, devestating the lead ship in the enemy formation.
In real life the navy is a vital part of any war, WW2 for example. My main issue with total war is that the navy doesn't do all it can do and as a result people neglect it. You will find most you tubers neglecting a navy but if they did this irl they would lose the war.
i would have positioned slightly differently, i like 2 columns one far right one far left, if they had their fleet as they were i could have gotten them in the middle. then just fire from both sides destroying them. the rocket ship was a very good idea though very useful as long as they are out of range of the enemy. also i was wondering what computer do you have? ive been allowed to buy one computer by my parents and i want to make sure ETW wil work on it. how much it costs and wher i can buy.
@TheEpicBrit But not during the Netherlands' Golden Age ;) Britain's rise to power was basically slightly after the starting date of Empire - Total War, when the Dutch naval supremacy was slowly taken over by the Brits in a series of wars and political events.
What formations/tactics do you recomend with a full fleet of ships? I mean 14 ships seems like alot to put into one line. I have already tried spliting them into three lines and was thinking if 2 lines would be better at all?
I guess in some ways. It's not supposed to be all Assassins creed 3 with unrealistic reload times and the magical ability to sail against the wind. Some things suck like how the ships have magical turning brakes and suck but other things I liked a lot.
It's all about more guns! More guns mean more damage! As Britain get a lot of forth rates and engage the enemy in pairs of 2 during battle ( one boards and one pounds the other side) you win easily the way he does it means lot of money wasted ( in game) with poor results
@ Junkiddo: you need to select them all to move them as a group. Handy to short-key them (ctrl+ number). Makes selecting them all a bit easier, especially in the heat of battle.
Naval battle depends who fight it will go during battle ,i see that things can change fast depending on the situation,the best way its be simple tatics,and who plays this kind of games like medieval totar war,can use some tatics here!
Man, I have watched these over and over again and I still feel like a complete incompetent in Naval battles. Does not make any sense to me. Keep watching them and hopefully someday these will click. Plus Auto on VH/VH is hugely costly to me, which is the reason I keep watching these.
Wind was fine for AI at 2:50 AI is just bad. When you were on a beam reach initially (wind at a 90 deg angle) it would have been beneficial to 'try' to put the enemy on your port (downwind) side. Being upwind of your opponents gives you a maneuverability advantage.
I would ask to see a Russian campaign since really I've seen only a select few Russian players here and there, but never the Russian campaign (heard it was exceptionally tough). Anyhow, hope to see more soon ^_^
@cubosensaj no the Dutch flag was actually first orange white blue until the Napoleonic period, it was changes by napoleon to red white blue (holland was a part of france the bastards) it was stupid of creativity that they made it red white blue
i vote brittish, or if not the netherlands or spain. just cuse of spains big fleet. thanks im not very good at sea battles, but i love em. get 2 massive ships (admrials 1st and heavy first) vrs as many little sloops n brigs as the enemy can get, thats fun.
@CraigDirty I'm gonna guess your counter attack for this is similar to mine. Turn side on to the opponents who are coming at you with full sail. Then fire broadsides of chain-shot at them. When all sails are out chain-shot is most effective. and at about a 5 first rate's distance, you can take out two masts in one broadside shot - Every effective! Though I must add I've only done this in a 1 on 1 battle. I'm shit at using more than two ships.
You may try to play in "slow motion", thus you can oversee the battlefield and can do plans for wide timeline, you shouldn't hesitate to break formation if something unexpected happens :) I reply you 11 years later :)
@@yakamoooo God I used to let a lot of typos out back then haha! I did eventually devise a strategy for a 6 v 6 first rate battle. Get my fleet in a big bracket that the enemy like to approach in single file. All my ships shoot the hell out of the first enemy in the row - that first enemy takes on too much damage at the start and routes - now it's already 6 v 5. From there I kept my ships moving in pairs. If a ship's starboard takes a lot of damage, turn around and fight with the port side. etc... I basically found I could just keep shuffling my fleet to keep them all on top. Of course, this is playing against a computer, doubt I'd do so well against another player! lol
@@mastermalpass actually sometimes computer can dominate the battleground better than a human, it can calculate and replace the ships more efficient and effective :) so I think it's possible to have a good strategy and gameplay with some practice :) and keeping firing on same side of the ship make it disabled more quickly too..it's good to see you here after 11 years :) I hope you will have a very long life, thanks for reply :)
Once i had a bunch of admerals and third rate, third v. third and second, and my 4 admerals v. their last admeral. I boxed him in, and i swear he (the admeral) saluted me and was then epicly pwned with 1 chain, one ball, and two grape. But it ruined the moment, the balls that missed kinda blasted each other and i nearly lost an admeral
Would be fun to see you do a full campaign with an underdog, like the Dutch :) And a stern is not the front of the ship, that the bow. Stern is the rear part of a ship ;) Thanks for teh vid, btw! :)
This is a wonderful guide, except it's completely useless for early era players. I'm doing the Road to Independence campaign right now and there are no first rates or rocket ships at my disposal.
guys, questions u are asking are noob questions, just try out the us navy and se how good they are, and try boarding ships as well, it depends on how much u want it :P i vote for sweden as well
+Victor Conway I'd disagree with you there, on the land there are many different strategies I use to end an engagement, depending on the situation. I'm a very good land commander, been playing TW games since the first Shogun, however.. i'm pretty shitty at Naval battles. I think I sort-of got the hang of it though.
I used is, but I think after flanking round behind them I had my line break off in to 2 then go back round, had 2 lines on either side and perform a double broadside
This is annoying me. Every time I have a go at naval battles, the AI never does what they do in these tutorials, they never hand themselves to me, they mirror my ships and just make it impossible for me to have a decisive win. I'll win by ill take too heavy losses.
The best way to do all your Naval battles is to have one Admiral flagship V rate and send him in to disable the sails of the whole Fleet by doing flanking maneuver at max range, you keep the enemy at max range until his sails are disabled and work your way down this whole Fleet and then come up from behind and attack each ship making them surrender. This way you can sell off all of his combat ships in repair all of his trade ships and use those to make money and more than one way
That takes ages though
Micro of the unemployed, but peak tactic
After 5 minutes, all my naval engagements look like a gigantic clusterfuck.
In Empire total war Navies are extremely useful for transport, blockading trade routes which gives your foe less income and thus a smaller army, and they are needed to protect trade convoys that are going to places like the Ivory coast.
Actually, If you disable "Fire at will" then you can still move but you cant return fire since your crew is putting out the fire aboard.
I live for ship combat in these games. I should've been Admiral Nelsons first mate lol Using the wind is very important also. The heavy first rate ships are so fucking powerful. Love watching them fire volleys and then watch them hit the enemy ship. Just ripping chunks of wood out and splintering pieces off left and right. That rocket ship is very nice. If you had 2 in this battle it would've been over 50% faster I bet. Since the AI is just ridiculous lol and got tangled up. Anybody ever use the carronades? Small ships with huge guns and short range? Hit and run attacks with it maybe? A good early ship maybe?
Carronades are pretty good
naval battles are a bitch but they're SOOO important ><
capturing ships (galleons NOM), maintaining trade, etc
Naval battles are everything, without naval battles i dont really care that much about empire or napoleon tbh. Thats not the only reason but main reason is naval battles, pirates and that time period when galleons, fluyts and all the beautiful ships ruled the seas and oceans.
So basically just go in a circle? I am guessing your certainly not a teacher at the Royal Naval academy or the Naval School in Virginia right?
Lmao XD
ahahaha that was exactly what I thought by watching this video XD
The United Provences! :D (you start in all theaters of the game)
The stern is the back of the ship, the bow is the front.
British/French or Prussian campaigns would be unreal, love your vids man can't wait to see the campaign, no matter what it turns out to be!
nice one dude well helpful to me. naval battles i have not really played in any other games so i had no real clue what to do with my ship till now so again big thumbs up
one question...
i've tried this famed tactic known as "crossing the T" made famous by Nelson...
but when i try it it works for a while but then one of my ships rams an enemy ship and then the formation goes all to hell...
i found a tactic where if you put ur armada into two lines and have them run parallel to each other with the enemy line in the middle works effectively in surrounding and annihilating the enemy...
your thoughts?
I think crossing the T was highly dependent on three factors, one of which is difficult to have in the game, and another one would have to drastically alter the gameplay:
1. Long range engagements tended to be less accurate than they're portrayed in the game OR the guns got SIGNIFICANTLY more deadly at close range (I don't know which, but it generally seems like naval engagements were decided in pretty close ranges, closer than in this video)
2. The French tended to aim for the enemy rigging more than the British. In Trafalgar they actually fired too high for most of the approach of the British, so that much of the rigging was actually intact once they came to close quarter combat.
3. The British crews were far more experienced which led to fewer mistakes (collisions or getting out of formation) and a higher rate of fire.
hey do you move the mas a team?I kinda don't get that, do when you group them, do you still need to select all of them to move? or just select the 1st ship and the rest will follow?
nice vid btw. /no1
Nice video man, I've been too used to hand to hand land battles form the older total war series and couldn't quite get naval battles but this really helped!
line of stern is a sound tactic but an experienced player can easily smash up a line of stern. the best thing to do wen an enemy deploys in a line is to intersect his line perpendicularly at more than one point. your ships will be firing both their broadsides along the length of the enemy's ships (a raking shot). if u have the wind guage this tactic works every single time.
i would like to see the faction that challenges u the most!
Vid TOPIC= How to overcome 15k or less in the hole. I dont have this total war YET but i have med2 and i love ur vids!!!!!
keep up the good work & i look forward to watching ur other vids!!!!!!!!!! thanks!!!!!!!!!!!
Just a question, have you played Napoleon Total War? It was on sale a while ago and got it, but the range of my ships is nowhere near this huge. Was it patched in both games or is this some historical thing?
Great vid man, many thanks. I just got ETW after playing Shogun 2 and it seems the battles are a bit more interesting here :)
This is an excellent video for us beginners in the naval battle portion!
yea ramming is common... thats where your micromanagement kicks in. and that's exactly what Lord Neslon did at Trafalgar anyway, he crossed the Franco-Spanish fleet with 2 lines. but one thing everyone should keep in mind is that crossing the T is useless when your fleet is sailing downwind (i.e against the wind).
Would you ever do a video of the sort of tactic Nelson used at Trafalgar? Sorry if it's already been mentioned...
Sweeden!!!!!!!!
If not then maybe the Dutch because, I havnt seen them.
Great vid
A tactic I tried when my (AI) opponent was using the standard line astern/column formation was to form my fleet (about 3 3rd or 4th rates and several brigs) into a crescent (envelop) and I sailed them right at the enemy. At the last minute I got them to break formation and do a 90 degree turn all at once, allowing them all to fire broadsides at once, devestating the lead ship in the enemy formation.
In real life the navy is a vital part of any war, WW2 for example. My main issue with total war is that the navy doesn't do all it can do and as a result people neglect it. You will find most you tubers neglecting a navy but if they did this irl they would lose the war.
good video keep em coming
as a suggestion maybe you could do reviews of some kind on the best units or factions
Thanks a lot for this little tut :D very needed
i would have positioned slightly differently, i like 2 columns one far right one far left, if they had their fleet as they were i could have gotten them in the middle. then just fire from both sides destroying them. the rocket ship was a very good idea though very useful as long as they are out of range of the enemy. also i was wondering what computer do you have? ive been allowed to buy one computer by my parents and i want to make sure ETW wil work on it. how much it costs and wher i can buy.
@TheEpicBrit
But not during the Netherlands' Golden Age ;)
Britain's rise to power was basically slightly after the starting date of Empire - Total War, when the Dutch naval supremacy was slowly taken over by the Brits in a series of wars and political events.
Helpful video...I am absolutely dreadful at naval battles
What formations/tactics do you recomend with a full fleet of ships? I mean 14 ships seems like alot to put into one line. I have already tried spliting them into three lines and was thinking if 2 lines would be better at all?
well lets admit it. The French are great at land, but the Brits crush them at sea. Great vid!!
I guess in some ways. It's not supposed to be all Assassins creed 3 with unrealistic reload times and the magical ability to sail against the wind. Some things suck like how the ships have magical turning brakes and suck but other things I liked a lot.
k thanks man thats awesome news the computer is just in my budjet. by the way i watch all ur tactic vids theyre great.
It's all about more guns! More guns mean more damage! As Britain get a lot of forth rates and engage the enemy in pairs of 2 during battle ( one boards and one pounds the other side) you win easily the way he does it means lot of money wasted ( in game) with poor results
@ Junkiddo: you need to select them all to move them as a group. Handy to short-key them (ctrl+ number). Makes selecting them all a bit easier, especially in the heat of battle.
Naval battle depends who fight it will go during battle ,i see that things can change fast depending on the situation,the best way its be simple tatics,and who plays this kind of games like medieval totar war,can use some tatics here!
Man, I have watched these over and over again and I still feel like a complete incompetent in Naval battles. Does not make any sense to me. Keep watching them and hopefully someday these will click. Plus Auto on VH/VH is hugely costly to me, which is the reason I keep watching these.
Wind was fine for AI at 2:50 AI is just bad. When you were on a beam reach initially (wind at a 90 deg angle) it would have been beneficial to 'try' to put the enemy on your port (downwind) side. Being upwind of your opponents gives you a maneuverability advantage.
It would be great if you could do Sweden, thats where my vote is going. Thanks for the vids.
I would ask to see a Russian campaign since really I've seen only a select few Russian players here and there, but never the Russian campaign (heard it was exceptionally tough).
Anyhow, hope to see more soon ^_^
thanks for the tips. i'll try it tonight
did you use chain shot at all? you were saying their sails were down...
How do i command my ships so they moove in a line like your ships did?
Thanks for the naval battles!
Guys, listen up, JUST GET DARTHMOD!
are the enemys italian or mexican? ps. have you thought about my suggestion?
Is it not better to make them surrender as opposed to sinking them? more loot/ships in the campaign at the least
so, did you pound them from every direction? bow chickabowow
The bow is the front you plonker
how do u move ur ships so seamlessly? wen i play they always slow down if there is a ship in front of them. Do i have to move them all individually?
The Dutch flag is older (first seen in the late 1500s) than the French
@mastermalpass
the pause button is a god send lol.
I got 1 question, when should i enter a ship?
Thanks
@cubosensaj no the Dutch flag was actually first orange white blue
until the Napoleonic period, it was changes by napoleon to red white blue
(holland was a part of france the bastards)
it was stupid of creativity that they made it red white blue
Can't you do americans for Road to Independence? I dont have the game so if you cant use the Americans, then the British
i vote brittish, or if not the netherlands or spain. just cuse of spains big fleet.
thanks im not very good at sea battles, but i love em. get 2 massive ships (admrials 1st and heavy first) vrs as many little sloops n brigs as the enemy can get, thats fun.
how are your ships able to shoot so far?
Thank you for this video. My naval battles used to be like the guys below me
No, French running away is the BIG surprise ;)
@CraigDirty I'm gonna guess your counter attack for this is similar to mine. Turn side on to the opponents who are coming at you with full sail. Then fire broadsides of chain-shot at them. When all sails are out chain-shot is most effective. and at about a 5 first rate's distance, you can take out two masts in one broadside shot - Every effective!
Though I must add I've only done this in a 1 on 1 battle. I'm shit at using more than two ships.
You may try to play in "slow motion", thus you can oversee the battlefield and can do plans for wide timeline, you shouldn't hesitate to break formation if something unexpected happens :) I reply you 11 years later :)
@@yakamoooo God I used to let a lot of typos out back then haha! I did eventually devise a strategy for a 6 v 6 first rate battle. Get my fleet in a big bracket that the enemy like to approach in single file. All my ships shoot the hell out of the first enemy in the row - that first enemy takes on too much damage at the start and routes - now it's already 6 v 5. From there I kept my ships moving in pairs. If a ship's starboard takes a lot of damage, turn around and fight with the port side. etc... I basically found I could just keep shuffling my fleet to keep them all on top. Of course, this is playing against a computer, doubt I'd do so well against another player! lol
@@mastermalpass actually sometimes computer can dominate the battleground better than a human, it can calculate and replace the ships more efficient and effective :) so I think it's possible to have a good strategy and gameplay with some practice :) and keeping firing on same side of the ship make it disabled more quickly too..it's good to see you here after 11 years :) I hope you will have a very long life, thanks for reply :)
This applies to Napoleon Total War aswell?
Once i had a bunch of admerals and third rate, third v. third and second, and my 4 admerals v. their last admeral. I boxed him in, and i swear he (the admeral) saluted me and was then epicly pwned with 1 chain, one ball, and two grape. But it ruined the moment, the balls that missed kinda blasted each other and i nearly lost an admeral
How can you keep that nice circle around the enemy?
It's United Provinces vs France after the Revolution with Blue-White-Red flag.
Ottomans if you can. They have crazy ships i would like to see in a naval battle(s).
Still the most accurate I've seen
thanks man i suck at navel battles! great help
how did he get his ships to sail in a circle like that in a line? I just can't do it, does he tell each ship separately?
good video, thanks man
I tried this tactic it pretty much pays off.
Would be fun to see you do a full campaign with an underdog, like the Dutch :)
And a stern is not the front of the ship, that the bow. Stern is the rear part of a ship ;)
Thanks for teh vid, btw! :)
Fabulous
@TheHenk92 maybe it wanst in the french time but it wasnt changed in 1648 but in 1795 and changed in
the Bataafse Republiek that stands on wikipedia
How do you keep your boat in a perfect line like this?!?
owki thanx! love the game! hope there's kinda update for improving the AI in diplomacy.
This is a wonderful guide, except it's completely useless for early era players. I'm doing the Road to Independence campaign right now and there are no first rates or rocket ships at my disposal.
Did they even have steamships back then I didn't think they used steam until the 1800's during the Civil War
Yeah now forever Sweden will remember operation cluster fuck as the day we took victory over our Danish foes on sea.
steam ships! fucking cool
how many cannons?
is the lesser firepower the only catch?
prussia definitely. I love playing as them
Any faction that can make heavy first rates is a good faction.
thats funny "screw the flagship out of them"
stern is back lol :P
when i play with this amount of fleets i see the traffic of L.A lol
i find it funny how the ship rockets are alot more usefull than land rockets.
the land rockets are almost completely useless.
How do you circle like that?
Did he say the stern is the front of the ship? because the Stern is the back of a ship.
how many languages do you speak man?
How does he keep the ships in formation so well ?
guys, questions u are asking are noob questions, just try out the us navy and se how good they are, and try boarding ships as well, it depends on how much u want it :P
i vote for sweden as well
Great game really.
This video didn't teach me much, but thanks.
+Victor Conway
I'd disagree with you there, on the land there are many different strategies I use to end an engagement, depending on the situation. I'm a very good land commander, been playing TW games since the first Shogun, however.. i'm pretty shitty at Naval battles. I think I sort-of got the hang of it though.
There are already two prussian youtube campaigns going. Please do Spain. or
UP
I used is, but I think after flanking round behind them I had my line break off in to 2 then go back round, had 2 lines on either side and perform a double broadside
what if you are outgunned and outnummbered????
The Dutch or Great Britain for the awesome ships that they have and because they have many colonies.
Nice naveltour have you made
This is annoying me. Every time I have a go at naval battles, the AI never does what they do in these tutorials, they never hand themselves to me, they mirror my ships and just make it impossible for me to have a decisive win. I'll win by ill take too heavy losses.
should I keep broadsiding them or let them autofire
Never ever broadside them unless it's a small battle. If you have 5+ ships it is extremely difficult to direct their fire.
then hes had a cold for a few years cause he always sounds like this
what botten shuld i press so my ship dont burn down?