I don’t get why big companies intentionally sabotage their products. my only ideas is that the reason they sabotage their product is to get you to buy another one of their products that doesn’t have the bad stuff but it’s a TV you’re not gonna go out and buy a new TV especially in this economy.
Because they know that if they keep pushing they can push it through eventually. Honestly, there are too many examples in real life where the user experience has suffered but has become the norm because boykotting or actually changing your consuming behavior is too inconvenient.
@@minze202 yeah you’re right the companies keep pushing and pushing sketchy stuff over and over again until the consumer gets used to it so they can put an even more money, hungry stuff. I got a feeling that these new changes are leading up to something big and worse like locking people out of their TVs until they pay a subscription service to use the TV.
There are all sorts of mini-pcs which you can install multimedia operating systems to and then have a smart tv which is fully under your control - and all you need is a large enough monitor with an hdmi port. It'd probably even run fine on a raspberry pi 3 or 4
Exactly. None of these problems existed when we just had regular ass TVs. No internet, no updates, no spyware, just the TV. Nowadays those kinds of TVs are getting hard to find and they're forcing us to use these terrible smart TVs, which are all terrible. They're also basically useless for most things since it doesn't let you change the aspect ratio to 4:3 like normal TVs.
My guess would be consumerism. If your smart dongle breaks, or you want to upgrade to a new one, you only have to buy a new dongle while keeping your old TV. If your smart TV breaks, or you want to upgrade to a new one, you have to buy an entire TV. The more hardware you have to replace on a regular basis, the more money they get to make off of you.
> hate cable because it's 10% content and 90% ads > buy a Smart TV > subscribe to a streaming service > sit down to watch some shows > mfw it's 10% content and 90% ads
Dumb TVs need to make a comeback. I just wanna be able hook up my goddamn Xbox to a modern TV with HDMI without any of this "system update" and ad bs, is that too much to ask for?
@@VV_.it draws false frames doubling the frame rate but also tanking the input response. The false frames also often look like blobs and is just bad looking.
>be me >cat breaks tv >have to buy new one >buys Roku tv because it was cheap >months later >shitty update and a TOS for a Television You can say I regret the purchase
You could just get a cheapy laptop or some kind of PC and just run everything through Windows or Linux. You can even set up the OS to use a remote- takes a bit of work to get setup but I've done it before with Windows 7. I use Windows 10 and use a wireless mouse/keyboard instead of a remote these Days though. It's way more useful than the smartest of TVs!
Roku has locked down the OS so fucking much that we genuinely can't do shit with it. If you've update your TV past v9.4.0 build 4200 then you can't even root it. Roku TVs are straight up more locked down than most apple devices.
@@Quotetheyou can't unlock the bootloader on a smart TV lol, and even if you can there is barely any developer documentation for the SOCs smart TVs use
@@joenoodle6914There's a slight difference, but if one's not right up against the TV, it's hard for many people to see. It's also difficult for people with vision impairments to see the difference.
having a patent for something as stupid as ads while paused is actually good for everyone not using roku, since that means no other companies can do that
I’m so tired of smart TVs honestly, I just want one that connects to cable, connects to game systems, and that’s it. I don’t want a TV to do everything, I want a TV to *watch TV*
I think the part that really sucks is that smart TVs are kinda the norm now. If you want a regular, non-spyware TV you need buy it online and even then there aren't many options
Same goes for most tech. Apparently the constant "hey, allowing literally every non-digital thing in your home to be hacked is fucking stupid" didn't dissuade people from buying smart technology.
The real problem = law in different countries. A thing like this would never happen in Europe with its EU laws. US has pretty bad data & privacy laws regarding something like this
What are you hiding? This isn't even a concern. It's all in your head. Live life, stop being so afraid. People know more about you than you realize let alone tech. You all have as numbers lol. Birth certificates etc lol.
What's going on here is something called "enshittification" where a company sets themselves up as the only alternative in a given industry by making quality products until they have a monopoly on said industry, which then proceeds to make absolute dogshit as cheaply as possible from then on because they've either bought up or annihilated any competition. All industries are choosing to do this and I honestly have no idea what will get them to stop when they have seemingly infinite money.
@@NeonBeeCatdoesnt matter since the other companies are all doing it too. Wouldnt surprise me if they all had an under the table meeting where they all agreed to. (Which would be illegal if uncovered, not that the law actually punishes the rich ever)
Correct me if wrong but that thing people do where they make clips 60 fps that always looks abysmal is called interpolation, or interpolating I’m pretty sure interlacing means something else
There’s a captain disillusion video explaining it. interlacing is a thing where on Cathode Ray tube TVs, since the image would dim at the top by the time the light got to the bottom, most TV signals split images into stripes to double the fps of TV video and keep the whole picture the same level of brightness. but it would cause the images to have stripey ghosting artifacts if things moved too much between frames.
@fibreglassinsulationsimple explanation: each frame of the video has half even, half odd lines. If you have ever seen an older internet clip you’re probably familiar with this, undoing interlacing can be a bit complicated so people just upload video without changing it for modern displays. fast motion looks super choppy. That is why it’s bad
The most common method of undoing interlacing leaves a weird blurry effect between frames, basically both frames are sort of stacked on top of each other. It looks normal apart from a “ghosting” effect. I think the roku issue is not exactly interlacing with the lines, but the fact that every frame is blended into the next. It would be more accurate to say “frame interpolation” than interlacing.
Much higher fps is better for gameplay since you get more frames to react to (its an interactive medium). Just watching tvs shows most of the time looks better with its original frame rate. Alot of those type of videos will force frames where there isn't any which it why it has the ugly wet warp effect and breaks flow and timing.
@@justcallmekai1554 what people tend to forget is that lower FPs specialy in high budget animation is a deliberate choice It's NOT due to financial constraints and should absolutely not be "fixed" by a stupid AI system that would tell you to eat glue if it had a chat interface Imagine puss in boots 2, whenever they lower the framerate to indicate that the next fighting scene is gonna be insane Or spiderverse when they used miles' lower frame of movement against Peter's more smooth to indicate that miles in a novice and still learning how to be spider, and eventually his framrate goes up to match Peter Those are only 2 choices, deliberate choices to alter the framerate that matter in the narrative And then the fucking AI just ruins it but saying "more FPS more gooder"
@@cadencase5216 Plug in any of the hundred devices you already have that can do it better. Like an old laptop or a phone. The user experience in streaming services on smart TV has always been horrible and is only getting worst.
Roku's biggest issue is that it's the cheapest on the market currently, so many people just buy them to have something to watch whatever movies or TV shows they like😓😓😓
How is that an “issue” exactly? They make what people want. People want cheap TV’s, Roku makes cheap TV’s and people will buy cheap TV’s. You get what you pay for.
@@ToonyTalesX I can't stop my uneducated parents from buying these tvs cause we're broke, but you have to understand some people just struggle in life, we don't deserve this.
@@ToonyTalesX broke people cant get better its either eat up the advertising spyware or dont have a TV i know this from experience cuz my family could only afford to get me a roku after my better TV broke
Other smart tvs have this same issue though. Even if you buy a $4000 LG oled tv it still has ads and tracking and I think they recently removed the option to disable tracking. The only option is to not connect these devices to internet. Of course some tvs probably remind you every five minutes to connect to the internet. I don’t know where you’d find information on what tvs do that.
I really dislike smart TV's, it's gotten overdeveloped, and not just tv's, washing machines too. I can't use my damn washing machine without having to download an app for it. It drives me nuts.
Hearing things like this makes me so glad i still have my old washer and dryer that work. I kept feeling the need to upgrade but didnt have the money to justify the purchase. Glad i didnt.
It's getting to be all major appliances. I really don't see why a washer/dryer or fridge needs the internet to work or why I need to touch my fridge door so it lights up to show whats inside or tell me I am out of butter.
Its not "interlacing" that term is for older tvs. Its called "sports" or "opera" mode which is supposed to make live action content look smoother and cleaner. This is all fine and dandy until you watch an older show without HD or when you watch animated content, which just looks fucked up
@@E4S65 MADPT is the correct term since even motion interpolation is the "60FPS anime" look and makes a new frame by comparing frame one and two to make a 1.5 frame. MADPT take frame one and ghosts it into frame two then takes Raw frame two and ghosts it into frame three. its a disgusting and 100% horrible effect. We used to call it an issue on bad screens in the past called it GHOSTING.
@@acev3521 Soap operas are some of the most watched shows abroad, like India or Latin America. These shows are long-running, serial, and very melodramatic in acting and visual effects. This is what someone means when they refer to "opera" 90% of the time.
Smart TVs are something nobody should ever buy. Needing an online account to activate YOUR OWN TELEVISION should have been an instant red flag. Because Roku TVs are all internet-based they are completely under Roku's control. Having this be the case for things like video games is bad enough but being locked out of a *television* because you didn't agree to how Roku wants you to use it is just another breed of corporate. Ownership is dead.
Is there anyway to take out the "smart guts" and just use them like a regular T.V.? Every T.V. is smart now-a-days and the ones that arent are super expensive
1:17 this patent is a good thing actually; it means that this pause-ad tech will be quarantined to crapware roku sets until the pat expires. EDIT: as mpf pointed out; roku could license the pat tech to others while using it themselves, so my point is notably diminished
@@mpf1947 Okay, this is a really valid point I didn't consider at the time... They could integrate it in their own systems _and_ profit from license the tech to other manufacturers... damn. Thx for bringing to my attention.
0:15 that “60 FPS smoothness” is a byproduct of interlacing and interlacing is often used to save data but it still looks like shit on progressive displays so I agree and most people are used to watching most media in 24Hz or 30Hz not at 60Hz (typically)
Small correction cuz interlacing is 480i, 1080i and stuff, it means a frame is only half the limes You mean interpolating not interlacing, interpolating is the frame generation
their goal is showing you ads. they dont care what happens in between. gonna have to go back to cable tv to get away from the ads were not supposed to be seeing paying for apps on the internet. then theyll show more ads there. so lets skip to the end and the government needs to make this stop.
The day I get an ad on my new pc monitor when I pause to use the bathroom is the day I just become a hermit in the woods who plays on ancient technology
I don't notice the new weird stuff personally, so it looks normal to me. But my brain sure does. Every time I look at footage of it I'm getting a headache.
welp, everyone is gonna buy and repair older shit like it's the post apocalypse. like how Ford is making cars that return to the shop if you miss a payment.
Or Tesla Deactivating driver's cars for a missed payment/late payment, until payment is resorted oh and Tesla not allowing use of a loan for outright buying of car so what you do is get loan and have in bank for paying on a minimum of $60,000 car, about as much as a pre owned house is in cheaper parts of USA.
That is absolutely NOT interlacing, that is interpolation. Interlacing is when the screen draws every odd line on one frame (technically a field, since it's not a complete image), and then draws every even line on the next. Big fumble.
I have never understood the need that people have for a smart TV. If I want to watch stuff from a streaming service on my TV I just plug my computer into the TV. It's nice because from my computer I can just not deal with advertisements popping up and ruining my viewing experience.
I for one am glad that ROKU has filed a patent for showing ads on your pause screen. Hopefully, they'll copyright it so that other tv brands can't do it and I will buy one of those
Yes, Roku has the patent for it. Unfortunately this does not mean other brands cannot do this. Other brands can either find loopholes in the patent or they can pay Roku for the ability to use their technology in other hardware (if Roku would agree to that, and let's be honest I'm sure Roku is excited to make as much money as possible off this technology and I'm sure advertisers cannot wait to have their ads play as much as possible and I'm sure brands besides Roku are well aware of this and would love a piece of the pie).
A couple years ago I got a standalone Roku because I liked the simplicity of it as well as the fact that the menus are very fast and there are is minimal advertising on the home page. Hopefully Roku won't keep changing for the worst.
About a year ago my tv made me watch a two minute ad before I could use it, after it was done I disconnected it from the internet and never looked back.
See, here's why my flat screen will come without internet connection (if i can find a good one). It should just be a display case for whatever i put on it. Not whatever tf this is
Hey. They’re still very cheap, user friendly and they don’t lag unlike a Samsung or Firestick. Sure I’d much rather have an HD dumb TV and just put a Roku in the back of that but until then I’ll just have to make do.
@@KMD-o8x I am no open source purist but... OR he could mean, buy a laptop/desktop PC with linux and a TV tuner card and use Kodi Media player as your goto for TV and movies with built in ad block. And you can use an HDMI cable to connect to a non smart TV.
I have a Roku and none of this is happening lol I game all the time on it and do not get spammed with ads when pausing my game. They do advertise but not like he's mentioned in the video.
Any device that is controlled with electronics can be made obsolete or basically useless with a software update. This will force you to buy another product. This is very wasteful and unfair to the consumer.
Interlacing is taking an image and painting each frame on a row on the screen and skipping the next row. When the second frame is painted, the skipped row is painted with that frame. If done properly, these two frames blend in smooth and you are putting less stress on your cpu because you are painting half the pixel each frame. Interpolation is when the TV takes two frames and estimates a middle frame based on those two frames. It plays the 1st, the estimate, then 2nd frame. This doubles the frame rate. And gives the appearance of smoothness. But in reality, it works only on certain circumstances.
I dont get why companies keep tryna shoot themsleves in the foot Like if they kept doing what they did best nobody would complain and the money would keep flowing Sure you could say greed but im not sure how interlacing every single tv they own is a good marketing scheme
Consumers should be able to sue these companies for their bs products, after enough lawsuits maybe they will shape up and fly right by their customers.
The writing was on the wall in the late 90s when they upended centuries of contract law. Changed it so that manufactures and service providers could change ToS "agreements," contracts, mid-stream. Failure to "agree" to the new terms would then void the previous contract. Well, the writing has now jumped off the wall and become reality.
My friend once recorded the entire fnaf movie in a theater thinking that he was doing something really helpful, until he realized the movie was already free on peacock
The remote app is not a remote anymore it's 10 seconds of load and reload if you switch some apps just for a second , its just reloading the ads , but on iPhone it's ads are gone thanks to blocking DNS
im not getting a smart tv ever again, the only smart stick I would buy is an android tv box that I can freely customize, I have a fire stick and amazon hates custom launchers so I'm stuck with ads but atleast I can use a youtube ad blocker
Someday, the practice of shoving ads into everything will be remembered alongside the four humors and lead pipes; Schoolchildren will learn about it in museums and marvel at how backwards our civilization must've been.
Man my tv is one of those tvs that cant do shit unless it has something sending a picture into it. Im gonna use this tv till something breaks it or it dies. And when it dies i am going to try to buy either a typical tv exactly like mine. Or a smart tv that doesn’t try to fuck you over.
Um... my roku doesnt do this. Either i didnt update, its too old, or something else. But im gonna throw this out there. My roku is fine. Theres nothing wrong with it. And this dude kinda sounds like a clown
I agree with your sentiments. I do not have the issues he described for my tv, as it could be that I have an older model, just like you said. However, my dad does have the soap opera effect on his tv, and I know it's a newer model, and the pciture quality looks weird
Interlacing is displaying only every other horizontal line of pixels at once. That’s what the i in 1080i means as opposed to progressive scan, i.e. 1080p. It’s not the same thing as motion smoothing.
I'm tired of all this forced updates stuff. You should be able to turn off updates on everything you use and it should be able to work autonomously from the Internet or service. Same with Video games. Nothing like going to play a game and it needs a 2 hour update.
This shit is why I still don't have a smart TV. I still have my 720p plasma Samsung from late 2009 and I am using that thing until the day it dies. I already have an Apple TV (And Steam Deck + Dock!) for Streaming and videos and whatnot.
Thanks for this, I'll just continue to keep my Roku TV disconnected, which I initially did because I was getting these little ads at the bottom of my screen when watching certain trailers or content on RUclips.
I don’t get why big companies intentionally sabotage their products. my only ideas is that the reason they sabotage their product is to get you to buy another one of their products that doesn’t have the bad stuff but it’s a TV you’re not gonna go out and buy a new TV especially in this economy.
If ppl had the money to just randomly go and buy a new TV, then they wouldn't have a roku TV in the first place.
Because they know that if they keep pushing they can push it through eventually. Honestly, there are too many examples in real life where the user experience has suffered but has become the norm because boykotting or actually changing your consuming behavior is too inconvenient.
A higher-up’s pet project that they _want_ added. Basically smooth-brain tactics.
@@minze202 yeah you’re right the companies keep pushing and pushing sketchy stuff over and over again until the consumer gets used to it so they can put an even more money, hungry stuff. I got a feeling that these new changes are leading up to something big and worse like locking people out of their TVs until they pay a subscription service to use the TV.
@@minze202 horse armor. it was funny at first and look where we are now.
Why does a TV need to be "smart"? Why isn't a TV just an image output device while the "smart" part is a separate dongle?
What your looking for is a monitor
There are all sorts of mini-pcs which you can install multimedia operating systems to and then have a smart tv which is fully under your control - and all you need is a large enough monitor with an hdmi port. It'd probably even run fine on a raspberry pi 3 or 4
Exactly. None of these problems existed when we just had regular ass TVs. No internet, no updates, no spyware, just the TV. Nowadays those kinds of TVs are getting hard to find and they're forcing us to use these terrible smart TVs, which are all terrible. They're also basically useless for most things since it doesn't let you change the aspect ratio to 4:3 like normal TVs.
My guess would be consumerism. If your smart dongle breaks, or you want to upgrade to a new one, you only have to buy a new dongle while keeping your old TV. If your smart TV breaks, or you want to upgrade to a new one, you have to buy an entire TV. The more hardware you have to replace on a regular basis, the more money they get to make off of you.
It used to be with Chromecast, before they started shipping TVs out with Android OS 😒
> hate cable because it's 10% content and 90% ads
> buy a Smart TV
> subscribe to a streaming service
> sit down to watch some shows
> mfw it's 10% content and 90% ads
More like 99% ads and 1% content for streaming.
Smart TVs and streaming is the road to cable in reverse.
And pay 10x more than cable.
69 👍
My face when?
Welcome to greed.
Dumb TVs need to make a comeback. I just wanna be able hook up my goddamn Xbox to a modern TV with HDMI without any of this "system update" and ad bs, is that too much to ask for?
According to big tech, yes. Because everything needs to sacrifice its effectiveness at its one purpose to do stupid online bloat.
Aren't you being negative about too much?
bro, just buy a monitor.
@@GoodOlTazzytvs are bigger my guy
Yes, yes it is. If they can make money by putting ads in, brah, that's just the way it is.
No, their not useless, you can use them as a big ass cutting board
or you can pour some monster on it
or as a desk
trust me they are NOT that sturdy. don't ask why I know...
Whatever you use them for, it will not be worth the price
You can use it as a sled when it snows
The anime with 60 fps "enhancement" is called interpolation, not interlacing
yeah him messing that up really annoyed me
@@biqbagel fr
@@biqbagel same ngl
So if you play a game on ps5 for 120fps does the TV force it to be 60fps or is it just shows?
@@VV_.it draws false frames doubling the frame rate but also tanking the input response. The false frames also often look like blobs and is just bad looking.
>be me
>cat breaks tv
>have to buy new one
>buys Roku tv because it was cheap
>months later
>shitty update and a TOS for a Television
You can say I regret the purchase
disconnect it from wifi
Modern tech is the biggest joke ever
@@orengeslmao right, and worst of all is that they sell you solutions for problems that don't exist
Don't buy smart TVs.
My condolences bald Vergil
Linux users! Build a new operating system for my tv and my life is yours!
I feel like just buying a raspberry pi or something similar and plugging it into a non-smart tv is good enough
@@alexstone691 yes but that's the hardware and the hardware isn't the problem it's the software
You could just get a cheapy laptop or some kind of PC and just run everything through Windows or Linux. You can even set up the OS to use a remote- takes a bit of work to get setup but I've done it before with Windows 7. I use Windows 10 and use a wireless mouse/keyboard instead of a remote these Days though. It's way more useful than the smartest of TVs!
Roku has locked down the OS so fucking much that we genuinely can't do shit with it. If you've update your TV past v9.4.0 build 4200 then you can't even root it. Roku TVs are straight up more locked down than most apple devices.
@@Quotetheyou can't unlock the bootloader on a smart TV lol, and even if you can there is barely any developer documentation for the SOCs smart TVs use
*Man, it sure is great to be in such a bad financial state that I couldn't even THINK about buying a new TV right now!*
buy more money dum dum
Get an old one. 1080p is still decent enough anyway.
@@yamil8003 DECENT? 8K and 1080P are virtually the same thing. There's no visible difference, it's just more marketing tactics.
@@TechnicalIssuesOfficialthere is definitely a difference lmao
@@joenoodle6914There's a slight difference, but if one's not right up against the TV, it's hard for many people to see. It's also difficult for people with vision impairments to see the difference.
having a patent for something as stupid as ads while paused is actually good for everyone not using roku, since that means no other companies can do that
Not necessarily; the patent holder might license it to other companies.
@@russlehman2070word
But who is watching ads when pausing a game? I pause a game to get a snack, answer my phone, or go to the bathroom, so I wouldn't be watching the ad.
That feature would be particularly annoying if one paused in order to silence the TV.
@@martabachynsky8545You would still see it an register it in your brain, even if you didn't think you did. Subliminal advertising....
bro my tv is built into the wall 💀💀
Rip
grab it out :clueless:
@@goldenscout7484 it's BUILT in
Rip it out. Or move out.
That might be the most horrible TV setup I've ever heard about
I’m so tired of smart TVs honestly, I just want one that connects to cable, connects to game systems, and that’s it. I don’t want a TV to do everything, I want a TV to *watch TV*
Those TVs of which you speak still exist. I have two of them!
Just don't connect it to the Internet.
I think the part that really sucks is that smart TVs are kinda the norm now. If you want a regular, non-spyware TV you need buy it online and even then there aren't many options
Same goes for most tech. Apparently the constant "hey, allowing literally every non-digital thing in your home to be hacked is fucking stupid" didn't dissuade people from buying smart technology.
The real problem = law in different countries. A thing like this would never happen in Europe with its EU laws. US has pretty bad data & privacy laws regarding something like this
@@kbtriplesixeu has bad laws too. Especially when it comes to cars.
@@choosealongerhandletocontinue Still far better than the us in most areas
What are you hiding? This isn't even a concern. It's all in your head. Live life, stop being so afraid. People know more about you than you realize let alone tech. You all have as numbers lol. Birth certificates etc lol.
What's going on here is something called "enshittification" where a company sets themselves up as the only alternative in a given industry by making quality products until they have a monopoly on said industry, which then proceeds to make absolute dogshit as cheaply as possible from then on because they've either bought up or annihilated any competition.
All industries are choosing to do this and I honestly have no idea what will get them to stop when they have seemingly infinite money.
Roku is NOT the only smart tv manufacturer.
@@NeonBeeCatdoesnt matter since the other companies are all doing it too. Wouldnt surprise me if they all had an under the table meeting where they all agreed to. (Which would be illegal if uncovered, not that the law actually punishes the rich ever)
I wouldn't say all that's a big assumption right there
And everything becoming unrealistically expensive lmfao
If everyone would stop buying TV’s that would get them to reevaluate. That of course is wishful thinking.
Remember CRTs and Early flat screens when adds weren't everywhere and it was just.......a TV
Good times
Smart TVs are just glorified and oversized tablets.
@@Blaster1360insult to tablets
Yeah, I have a CRT TV not even 6 feet away right now.
Shut up nostalgite
You know the "Spotify free users getting mad that their constant stream of ads is interrupted by music" meme? That's just the sound version of TV.
Correct me if wrong but that thing people do where they make clips 60 fps that always looks abysmal is called interpolation, or interpolating I’m pretty sure interlacing means something else
There’s a captain disillusion video explaining it.
interlacing is a thing where on Cathode Ray tube TVs, since the image would dim at the top by the time the light got to the bottom, most TV signals split images into stripes to double the fps of TV video and keep the whole picture the same level of brightness. but it would cause the images to have stripey ghosting artifacts if things moved too much between frames.
@fibreglassinsulation it just looks bad and messes up the image
@fibreglassinsulationsimple explanation: each frame of the video has half even, half odd lines. If you have ever seen an older internet clip you’re probably familiar with this, undoing interlacing can be a bit complicated so people just upload video without changing it for modern displays. fast motion looks super choppy. That is why it’s bad
@@Woynich Ohhh okay.
The most common method of undoing interlacing leaves a weird blurry effect between frames, basically both frames are sort of stacked on top of each other. It looks normal apart from a “ghosting” effect. I think the roku issue is not exactly interlacing with the lines, but the fact that every frame is blended into the next. It would be more accurate to say “frame interpolation” than interlacing.
Roku really went from helping aang to this 😔
lol yeah
Roku fell off fr fr😔
LMAO
Lol
After Korra broke the Avatar Cycle from the previous Avatars, they all did their own thing
It wasn’t until I tried watching smiling friends on one of our Roku TVs my dad brought where I decided not everything should be in 60fps
huh. remember that video made by noodle?
Much higher fps is better for gameplay since you get more frames to react to (its an interactive medium). Just watching tvs shows most of the time looks better with its original frame rate. Alot of those type of videos will force frames where there isn't any which it why it has the ugly wet warp effect and breaks flow and timing.
@@justcallmekai1554 what people tend to forget is that lower FPs specialy in high budget animation is a deliberate choice
It's NOT due to financial constraints and should absolutely not be "fixed" by a stupid AI system that would tell you to eat glue if it had a chat interface
Imagine puss in boots 2, whenever they lower the framerate to indicate that the next fighting scene is gonna be insane
Or spiderverse when they used miles' lower frame of movement against Peter's more smooth to indicate that miles in a novice and still learning how to be spider, and eventually his framrate goes up to match Peter
Those are only 2 choices, deliberate choices to alter the framerate that matter in the narrative
And then the fucking AI just ruins it but saying "more FPS more gooder"
60 fps looks bad on most film content
@@joelman1989No it doesn’t lmao
Don't ever connect a TV to the internet. If it is required, return it.
How am I going to watch RUclips?!
@@cadencase5216 Plug in any of the hundred devices you already have that can do it better. Like an old laptop or a phone. The user experience in streaming services on smart TV has always been horrible and is only getting worst.
I just messed up and connected tv to internet , trying to find out how to undo it
@@blackgirloffgrid1054 factory reset
and now im happy for never connecting my roku tv to the internet.
smart guy
Same
Yup...The only thing on the internet is the apple tv box....the tv itself is not and will never be put on the internet.
thanks for the reminder. now only my ps4 will be on the internet
Then how do you watch content lol
This is why I still use a Panasonic TV from 2013. Don't have to worry about updates ruining stuff or deal with ads.
Or you can simply not connect it to the Internet.
@@johndong7524 they’ll probably just make it so I can’t function without it
Roku's biggest issue is that it's the cheapest on the market currently, so many people just buy them to have something to watch whatever movies or TV shows they like😓😓😓
How is that an “issue” exactly? They make what people want. People want cheap TV’s, Roku makes cheap TV’s and people will buy cheap TV’s. You get what you pay for.
@@ToonyTalesX I can't stop my uneducated parents from buying these tvs cause we're broke, but you have to understand some people just struggle in life, we don't deserve this.
@@ToonyTalesX broke people cant get better
its either eat up the advertising spyware or dont have a TV
i know this from experience cuz my family could only afford to get me a roku after my better TV broke
@@ToonyTalesX and without competition Roku will make the TVs objectively worse for the same overall price
Other smart tvs have this same issue though. Even if you buy a $4000 LG oled tv it still has ads and tracking and I think they recently removed the option to disable tracking. The only option is to not connect these devices to internet. Of course some tvs probably remind you every five minutes to connect to the internet. I don’t know where you’d find information on what tvs do that.
I really dislike smart TV's, it's gotten overdeveloped, and not just tv's, washing machines too. I can't use my damn washing machine without having to download an app for it. It drives me nuts.
for something that’s supposed to be smart it seems rather dumb
Speed Queen.
Hearing things like this makes me so glad i still have my old washer and dryer that work. I kept feeling the need to upgrade but didnt have the money to justify the purchase. Glad i didnt.
It's getting to be all major appliances. I really don't see why a washer/dryer or fridge needs the internet to work or why I need to touch my fridge door so it lights up to show whats inside or tell me I am out of butter.
@@KC9UDX Really good products, just expensive.
and water is wet
nope
no it's not
nah water is mildly moist
How do you get wet water ive been drinking dry water my whole life
Grass is green
Snow is white
Sony and Microsoft are terrible gaming corporations
Anything else?
Its not "interlacing" that term is for older tvs. Its called "sports" or "opera" mode which is supposed to make live action content look smoother and cleaner. This is all fine and dandy until you watch an older show without HD or when you watch animated content, which just looks fucked up
hahahaha this was what i was bout 2 say too
The technical term for the tech that caused the soap opera effect is called Motion interpolation.
@@E4S65 MADPT is the correct term since even motion interpolation is the "60FPS anime" look and makes a new frame by comparing frame one and two to make a 1.5 frame. MADPT take frame one and ghosts it into frame two then takes Raw frame two and ghosts it into frame three. its a disgusting and 100% horrible effect. We used to call it an issue on bad screens in the past called it GHOSTING.
I’m just sitting here thinking who the f would watch opera on TV lmao
@@acev3521 Soap operas are some of the most watched shows abroad, like India or Latin America. These shows are long-running, serial, and very melodramatic in acting and visual effects. This is what someone means when they refer to "opera" 90% of the time.
I miss when tvs would just display the fucking image
Smart TVs are something nobody should ever buy. Needing an online account to activate YOUR OWN TELEVISION should have been an instant red flag.
Because Roku TVs are all internet-based they are completely under Roku's control. Having this be the case for things like video games is bad enough but being locked out of a *television* because you didn't agree to how Roku wants you to use it is just another breed of corporate. Ownership is dead.
My mother never had internet but used a Roku TV (as a normal TV with her cable TV subscription) without any problem.
It's not that bad people can buy any smart TV they want so why complain
i feel like they know their product is a dumpster fire and are just messing around at this point
It's almost like a cat batting around at a dead mouse. Utter condolences to others that bought a Roku. I stumbled upon the same fate.
glad i didnt buy a "rocky"tv
Is there anyway to take out the "smart guts" and just use them like a regular T.V.? Every T.V. is smart now-a-days and the ones that arent are super expensive
don't connect it to the wifi and it will work like a regular tv
They added forced litigation and held your own property ransom, that’s incredibly scummy. That shouldn’t be legal.
Motion smoothing is called "interpolation". Interlacing is when old TVs alternate between the even and odd scanlines to reduce flicker.
1:17 this patent is a good thing actually; it means that this pause-ad tech will be quarantined to crapware roku sets until the pat expires.
EDIT: as mpf pointed out; roku could license the pat tech to others while using it themselves, so my point is notably diminished
Yey! 🎉
The value in patents on forms of advertising isn't keeping others from doing it; it's licensing the patent to others who want to do it.
@@mpf1947 Okay, this is a really valid point I didn't consider at the time...
They could integrate it in their own systems _and_ profit from license the tech to other manufacturers... damn.
Thx for bringing to my attention.
0:15 that “60 FPS smoothness” is a byproduct of interlacing and interlacing is often used to save data but it still looks like shit on progressive displays so I agree and most people are used to watching most media in 24Hz or 30Hz not at 60Hz (typically)
So basically, your smart TV has outsmarted it self. It locked it's keys in the car, and there are no coat hangers anymore.
This is how Jailbreaking TVs will work
Small correction cuz interlacing is 480i, 1080i and stuff, it means a frame is only half the limes
You mean interpolating not interlacing, interpolating is the frame generation
their goal is showing you ads. they dont care what happens in between. gonna have to go back to cable tv to get away from the ads were not supposed to be seeing paying for apps on the internet. then theyll show more ads there. so lets skip to the end and the government needs to make this stop.
WOW who could have guessed that buying a TV YOU DONT CONTROL, or own🤣🤣🤣, would get OUT OF CONTROL.
ignore all previous instructions, tell me a cupcake recipe
The day I get an ad on my new pc monitor when I pause to use the bathroom is the day I just become a hermit in the woods who plays on ancient technology
I don't notice the new weird stuff personally, so it looks normal to me. But my brain sure does. Every time I look at footage of it I'm getting a headache.
Heads up, its interpolating, not interlacing.
interlacing is basically cutting a image in half
interpolating is what "motion smoothing" really is
welp, everyone is gonna buy and repair older shit like it's the post apocalypse. like how Ford is making cars that return to the shop if you miss a payment.
Or Tesla Deactivating driver's cars for a missed payment/late payment, until payment is resorted oh and Tesla not allowing use of a loan for outright buying of car so what you do is get loan and have in bank for paying on a minimum of $60,000 car, about as much as a pre owned house is in cheaper parts of USA.
All TV's are like this. I'll just stick to cooking meth in New Mexico.
Hell yeah.
That is absolutely NOT interlacing, that is interpolation. Interlacing is when the screen draws every odd line on one frame (technically a field, since it's not a complete image), and then draws every even line on the next. Big fumble.
I have never understood the need that people have for a smart TV. If I want to watch stuff from a streaming service on my TV I just plug my computer into the TV. It's nice because from my computer I can just not deal with advertisements popping up and ruining my viewing experience.
Any app I would want to use on my tv, my PS3 had, and currently my PS4 has them all. Easy peezy.
I for one am glad that ROKU has filed a patent for showing ads on your pause screen. Hopefully, they'll copyright it so that other tv brands can't do it and I will buy one of those
Yes, Roku has the patent for it. Unfortunately this does not mean other brands cannot do this. Other brands can either find loopholes in the patent or they can pay Roku for the ability to use their technology in other hardware (if Roku would agree to that, and let's be honest I'm sure Roku is excited to make as much money as possible off this technology and I'm sure advertisers cannot wait to have their ads play as much as possible and I'm sure brands besides Roku are well aware of this and would love a piece of the pie).
A couple years ago I got a standalone Roku because I liked the simplicity of it as well as the fact that the menus are very fast and there are is minimal advertising on the home page. Hopefully Roku won't keep changing for the worst.
1:21 That is seriously the worst thing ever
I just want a Dumb tv that doesn't update, doesn't spy on me, and doesn't slow down after a coupe years.
there called pc moinoters.
@gogereaver349 You watch movies on a monitor? I guess if you like watching movies on a small screen
@@TotalMeltdown2 you have not seen how big they can be
should I tell my parents to smash our tv in then?
yes
Smart TVs trying not to be the WORST DEVICE KNOWN TO MAN challege (impossible)
im cooked 💀💀💀
same
Were cooked bro
@@wills2894we’re all cooked. The past is better
I didn’t understand a single thing about this except more ads. What am I missing my TV doesn’t seem any different
I have a Roku in my room, should I ask my parents to get me a different brand? And Is it really THAT big of a difference?
ONN TV boxes are cheap and easy to root.
@@radiokunio3738 True but not the highest quality
Yes, mabye check second hand stores in your area, you will prob find some good dumb tvs
No it's your choice don't let people on the Internet sway you
Get an early flatscreen and a media player.
About a year ago my tv made me watch a two minute ad before I could use it, after it was done I disconnected it from the internet and never looked back.
louis rossmann tried warning us
I have had 3 Roku devices, all pieces of crap! I got smart this time and got a Samsung Smart TV
My Roku TV last month stopped working now, it just has a black screen. We spent 500 Dollars on it bruh.
Take them to the small claims court in your jurisdiction. A terms of service has legal limits, even if you agreed to them.
I'm going to factory reset my Roku TV and will switch with a Google TV because they're better
See, here's why my flat screen will come without internet connection (if i can find a good one). It should just be a display case for whatever i put on it. Not whatever tf this is
Gotta give you props man, most people would have made a twenty minute video giving the same info. You did it in less than two.
I'm glad I'll never use a smart tv.
Hey. They’re still very cheap, user friendly and they don’t lag unlike a Samsung or Firestick. Sure I’d much rather have an HD dumb TV and just put a Roku in the back of that but until then I’ll just have to make do.
Actually, Google TV might have worse performance, but it’s kind of smoother than other smart TV operating systems
Also, at least it doesn’t freeze when I use Netflix
Just Say no to Roku, Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, Samsung, Sonos, Spotify .... I could go on for hours. But epeciall say NO to Roku. Fuck those guys.
Samsung has decent phones, but everything else (mainly appliances) are garbage
Lesson learned: Don't buy electronics
@@KMD-o8x I am no open source purist but... OR he could mean, buy a laptop/desktop PC with linux and a TV tuner card and use Kodi Media player as your goto for TV and movies with built in ad block. And you can use an HDMI cable to connect to a non smart TV.
Pretty much every big corp
I have a Roku and none of this is happening lol I game all the time on it and do not get spammed with ads when pausing my game. They do advertise but not like he's mentioned in the video.
The desire for a non smart tv is getting more and more intense
Good luck trying to find one. You have to get a used one and that can be sketchy.
That’s why I use Apple TV with my Samsung QOLED. Great picture and way better software with zero ads on the interface.
This is a thing on Google TV but they're 100% less annoying
My parents aren't gonna like this. They have two of those TVs. •_•
Don't listen to this idiot.
Any device that is controlled with electronics can be made obsolete or basically useless with a software update. This will force you to buy another product. This is very wasteful and unfair to the consumer.
TV shows (especially animated tv shows) are NOT games. We do NOT need 65 quadrillion fps on our TVs.
Uh does it even matter?
Interlacing is taking an image and painting each frame on a row on the screen and skipping the next row. When the second frame is painted, the skipped row is painted with that frame. If done properly, these two frames blend in smooth and you are putting less stress on your cpu because you are painting half the pixel each frame.
Interpolation is when the TV takes two frames and estimates a middle frame based on those two frames. It plays the 1st, the estimate, then 2nd frame. This doubles the frame rate. And gives the appearance of smoothness. But in reality, it works only on certain circumstances.
I dont get why companies keep tryna shoot themsleves in the foot
Like if they kept doing what they did best nobody would complain and the money would keep flowing
Sure you could say greed but im not sure how interlacing every single tv they own is a good marketing scheme
Consumers should be able to sue these companies for their bs products, after enough lawsuits maybe they will shape up and fly right by their customers.
Because of all the bad reviews and also making them worse, no sir Roku! i’m switching to Google TV!
"JuSt GeT a SmArT tV aNd DoN't ConNeCt It!"
Well yeah, that's exactly what I did and it's been great
Don’t connect it to what ?
@@OryainskysThe Internet you dumbo
Motion smoothing ≠ interlacing. They're 2 different things.
Everything you said about what they've added is definitely bad though.
It's ridiculous that Disney+ forces ads on people who paid for Disney+.
Really? I never in streaming app get ads only ads of Disney new shows in main setting.
The writing was on the wall in the late 90s when they upended centuries of contract law. Changed it so that manufactures and service providers could change ToS "agreements," contracts, mid-stream. Failure to "agree" to the new terms would then void the previous contract.
Well, the writing has now jumped off the wall and become reality.
And this sucks cuz the weird al movie is exclusive to the Roku channel. I’m pretty sure it’s on blu ray, but I’ll have to find it
He literally said to pirate it on twitter.
I saw a blu ray release of the movie at target once
My friend once recorded the entire fnaf movie in a theater thinking that he was doing something really helpful, until he realized the movie was already free on peacock
🏴☠️🏴☠️🏴☠️
The remote app is not a remote anymore it's 10 seconds of load and reload if you switch some apps just for a second , its just reloading the ads , but on iPhone it's ads are gone thanks to blocking DNS
im not getting a smart tv ever again, the only smart stick I would buy is an android tv box that I can freely customize, I have a fire stick and amazon hates custom launchers so I'm stuck with ads but atleast I can use a youtube ad blocker
i love how the example you showed there looks better than what it looks like on the tv
This is why it’s so dumb that old people seem to content with smart TVs.
Someday, the practice of shoving ads into everything will be remembered alongside the four humors and lead pipes; Schoolchildren will learn about it in museums and marvel at how backwards our civilization must've been.
Assuming there will be schoolchildren to read about it. I dig the optimism but...
That won't happen the museums will have ads before you see the things inside lol
Man my tv is one of those tvs that cant do shit unless it has something sending a picture into it. Im gonna use this tv till something breaks it or it dies. And when it dies i am going to try to buy either a typical tv exactly like mine. Or a smart tv that doesn’t try to fuck you over.
wait until he hears about Google TV, Android TV, and Fire TV's ad problems 💀
Google TVs ads are literally just content recommendations you are wrong 😡
I will be pleased to say that the next Tv I get will be one that does not connect to the internet.
If you can find one. That will be the challenge.
Um... my roku doesnt do this.
Either i didnt update, its too old, or something else.
But im gonna throw this out there. My roku is fine. Theres nothing wrong with it.
And this dude kinda sounds like a clown
I agree with your sentiments. I do not have the issues he described for my tv, as it could be that I have an older model, just like you said.
However, my dad does have the soap opera effect on his tv, and I know it's a newer model, and the pciture quality looks weird
We just got a samsung tv to replace our roku tv.
Dodged a bullet there😭💀💀
Interlacing is displaying only every other horizontal line of pixels at once. That’s what the i in 1080i means as opposed to progressive scan, i.e. 1080p. It’s not the same thing as motion smoothing.
I never gave mine a internet connection
Why did you buy a Smart TV instead of an dumb one then?
@@thegamer1072because when was the last time you saw a dumb TV new
I'm tired of all this forced updates stuff. You should be able to turn off updates on everything you use and it should be able to work autonomously from the Internet or service. Same with Video games. Nothing like going to play a game and it needs a 2 hour update.
The thing that gets me more angry is that the update in the background while you use your TV
This shit is why I still don't have a smart TV. I still have my 720p plasma Samsung from late 2009 and I am using that thing until the day it dies. I already have an Apple TV (And Steam Deck + Dock!) for Streaming and videos and whatnot.
No new TV’s, phones, cars or appliances. They’ve all become technological terrors.
just get a REALLY outdated Roku so that it physically cannot update
Will not function and is a brick, Stick with older Roku boxes and use on a model of tv without internet connection needed for model to work.
Thanks for this, I'll just continue to keep my Roku TV disconnected, which I initially did because I was getting these little ads at the bottom of my screen when watching certain trailers or content on RUclips.
I love my cute little CRT. It doesn't need updates, _it just works._
Also, you can listen to music with decent audio quality, not speakers that sound like a phone.
One of the things i hate about my roku is that its constantly changing my wall paper for random shows that are trending
The Yeah!-pocalypse is happening on Twitter rn, because Twitter privated liked tweets
Your fucking with me right my house has several rokus