Ok, I've owned my 88GT for 15 years. I want to do an LS1 engine swap, but have not been confident to even consider doing it myself. This vid is a sure confident builder. I didn't realize how easy it was to remove the engine. Thanks a bunch!
Nice job. Took a while to get over the sunglasses, but you honestly did a Fiero engine removal. It looked like u were doing it by yourself but we saw an assistant at the end.
THANKS A BUNCH MAN ! im 49 years old and did my 1st cradle to cradle swap from a 87SE 5sp to my 85GT 4 speed. 5 hours out and about the same going back in. used just your video for reference ! this job was easier than a clutch i did on a fiero by swinging down the cradle !
Wow!! That’s incredible. Thank you for making this video, thank you very much. Doing this on my Fiero tomorrow (12-3-22). This was so awesome for me. 3800SC going in. You are so smart, how you know all this is amazing.
Im 35 and my first car was supposed to be a Fiero but it didnt happen. One of these days I am going to find one and get it. Great job and I cant wait to watch the video about the 3800. I had one of those beasts and I bet that motor makes that Fiero drive incredible.
So helpful man! Thank you so much! You are the calmest mechanic I've ever seen work on a car! p.s. lol at the person who said "that's a freaking Ferrari, at 16:58 " my wife said the same thing when she saw mine! Keep up the great work! This should be a piece of cake for me now, thanks to this video! I guarantee you though, I won't be as calm as you, I'll just edit the cussing out when I edit my videos! Lol
Thanks a heap! Very helpful video. Getting ready to pull the V6/auto in mine for an engine rebuild. I am grateful for the information and the clarity of your instructions!
8 years later amd still helping people lol, im 18 starting a few days ago and this really helped me out when dropping out my engine for my fiero, im gonna throw a 2.0l buick turbo engine in it from a regal premium 3, plan on pushing hopefully 250-300 whp
I seriously feel like I just watched Neo from the Matrix jack up a Pontiac.There's even a deja vu moment in the opening scene deja vu moment in the opening scene.
purplecorn1234 You should totally go for it. At this point if I had a 2.8 that needed an oil change I'd use that as an excuse to do a 3800 swap. I priced out a rebuilt auto trans from a local shop a few years back and it was $1300-1500 installed. A 3800 swap with automatic transmission tend to be between $3,000-$4000 and they are not only a lot more powerful but also more reliable. I have a whole set of install videos. It really doesn't seem as tough to swap as I originally feared.
LostNotForgotton thanks for the reply and I appreciate all the information you've got on here, will definitely refer back to your videos when I decide to swap it!
I have a 85 SE automatic with an 88 2.8 in its engine bay. My problem is with the torx bolts on the water pump,(three are stripped) and its been a 2 day battle just getting 5 of the top ones out. Very tight quarters to be working in with big hands. Perhaps dropping the engine is a solution in this case, being as how there is no guarantee that the remaining 7 bolts will suddenly begin to cooperate. I have new coolant return lines as well as a new exhaust system that I had planned on installing,but with the motor out to do the water pump, (grind off the heads, or hammer in the torx) and just maybe install the smaller, lighter, and improved alternator,and a "new to me" A C pump. The latter 2 being a pain to work on with the motor in place. Nice Vid by the way.
Wish I would’ve found your video sooner, didn’t know the wiring harness disconnected from the firewall so I disconnected everything from the engine to leave the harness with the car 🤦♂️
Ahh memories I watched this video in 2015 and I completely prepared my 85 gt to take the motor out (at the time I was 12) but upon further inspection I fond found out that the engine was fine and the fuel was just very old so now I am stuck putting the car back together
Hello Fiero nation. I’m wanting to put some 17” wheels on my 87 GT. The question I keep getting ask is my lug pattern and the only thing I know is a 5 lug pattern. What do I need to know to get the wheel that will fit my Fiero . Can’t drive it right now, installing a 3800sc Any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys
The 4 cylinder is a little different as things may be located in different areas, such as the fuel lines. The manual transmissions will have two shifter cables to remove and a hydraulic clutch line to remove. Other than that it's fairly straight forward.
how would I replace the clutch fork? would I need to drop the engine?if not is there a way to get to it without pulling the motor? can't find a thing about it
You will most likely have to pull the transmission out to get to it. Maybe there is a way to do it with the transmission still in the car ( I doubt it though) but I don't know how it would be done because you won't be able to get it off the throw out bearing. If you can get an engine brace that supports the engine on the strut towers then you can remove the bolts that connect the engine to the transmission and the rear cradle bolts and swing the crade and transmission down like a door hinge. Most people don't have the engine support to do it that way so you'd have to drop the whole engine out. The other option is having a transmission shop do it. They have those engine braces. I don't know what transmission you have but the Fiero Store sells a clutch fork for the 87-88 Getrag transmission only and it's about $400. Lots to consider but Getrags are the best transmission offered in the Fiero (IMO).
Hi Can you tell me why my fan is always running? I have a Fiero GT 1987. When I start the engine, the fan start right away but doesn’t stop. I changed the sensor that stops the fan to run and I allo changed the PCM sensor. I changed also the selenoy.
i have a question about my fiero..its a 85 se with 4 speed..runs good when you dint get in it..boggs down if you give it more than half gas.but will pixk back up after about 4 thousand rpms then give out a backfire right when i shift..runs fine at slow acceleration.i have two engine codes..the vss and a egr...24 and 32..have any ideas?
Hello @LostNotForgotton I was wondering which Fuse is the headlight Fuse? Is it located in the inside of the car under the dashboard? or in the trunk front of the car? Please help me with this I have a 1986 Pontiac Fiero headlights won't go up or down and I'm thinking it's either a Fuse or relay?
I need help. My 87 Fiero has a 5 speed. The 3800 is an automatic I need a flywheel to pair the 3800 to my getrag 5 speed. Please can anybody help me know what I need to do. Thanks very much
I believe FieroRog makes a custom machined flywheel that you can buy. If you need more info I can dig up the info on what flywheel to use and what it needs to be machined to if you wanted to have a local shop machine it.
Are there any exhaust mounts/hangers I need to know about? particularly on the front side of the engine? I'm planning on dropping my engine/trans cradle to rebuild the engine and install a new clutch very soon
hi great video i have a 84 with the 4 and 5 speed (?) its been awhile lol one problem i have is the power wire to the computer the connector looked like an accessory plug but i found that that was for the power to the comp. i added a wire to it, had it running 2 days later went to start it and nothing so now im thinking it may be the neutral safety switch. i dont know how to bi pass it to make sure thats the problem. i also found the clutch slaves cyl was jerry rigged using one out of a S10 and it didnt work . i now have the right one . any advice to upgrade the computer or power wiring on a 84 with the 4? great vids by the way. my Fiero has 86000 kilometers . if i was going to swap the motor i was thinking of the Cobalt SS motor what do you think?
Can you tell me the best engine and transmission to use for a stretched fiero kit car? Specifically, I have heard that a Chevy 350 small block engine should pair with an Audi transmission. If so, what model Audi, how hard is the marriage how is cost of this combo?
Well ur kinda like the "fiero King" :) so my question is. I was thinking about redoing my origanal fiero wiring. Everything works . But I was thinking of putting in a much simpler or updated universal wiring system. I have a kit so my body is off. Anyhow I'm wondering if it's worth the trouble of replacing the wiring or should I work with what I have? Thank u
+minihawnsl Thank you! I try to share whatever knowledge I have with anyone who might need it. I love Fiero's and want to help everyone keep theirs alive. My opinion regarding your question is I'd probably just keep the stock Fiero harness. As long as there isn't any issues with it I'd just keep using it. I don't think any universal harness will offer any advantages since the Fiero harness was designed to specifically fit the Fiero's needs. I doubt car manufactures would use any more wire than is needed. If GM made one wire 1" longer than needed and then multiplied that by the number of cars they built in a year that would lead to a lot of excess cost. So car manufactures will only use what they need and not waist their money on excessive wire length. That said, I think you are probably better off keeping your harness. However, I would suggest doing the 1227730 ECM upgrade to your harness. That was a great upgrade I did for my Fiero and would suggest it to anyone. I love the way my Fiero revs with that ECM. You can hear my 7730 hit the rev limiter in my cold air intake video and I LOVE the sound of my Fiero hitting the rev limiter ;) You can listen to that here: ruclips.net/video/aotZeZFXuC0/видео.html A stock Fiero won't rev like that. Your ECM will allow the engine to rev way past the limits of the engine. If interested, you can check out my 7730 video here: ruclips.net/video/3PsSX6ClBhE/видео.html
So, I just watched this video because I'm trying to drop my cradle. I have an 86 GT and it's a 4 speed manual. Let me just say, my car looks nothing like yours and it's maddening. My ac compressor lines are not reachable. Can't even see the bolt because of a giant catalytic converter in the way. My fuel lines have no such fittings like yours. I have yet to figure out how to disconnect. My lines are a solid piece where yours have fittings. There is a fuel filter further down, but there's another fuel line that has no fitting anywhere. I'm assuming its on top of the tank.
That's a tough question to answer. It really depends on so many factors such as your fabricating skills and what you end up paying for your engine and transmission. If you can't weld (like me) then you'll have to purchase brackets. Doing a manual transmission will cost more than doing an automatic transmission. If you want to add performance parts or paint will also add to your bill. I have $4,900 in mine but I did a pulley upgrade and upgraded suspension. I also replaced parts to improve the engines reliability. I would say you should figure on spending between $3,500 and $5,000. Spending $3,500 is just getting the engine in and running and the more you spend above that would improve reliability, performance and visual aesthetics to your taste. I hope that gives you an idea to shoot for.
Hey Bobby @LostNotForgotten, I sent you a PM thru the Fiero forum. I don't know how often you check your messages. I have few questions I would like to ask you. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks.
i removed the engine on my 86 fiero much easier just remove the intake and the heads then just take out the block dont need to tear up the hole car putting the engine back its just as easy
Jorge Toores : hi Gorge,excuse me,i speak english little bit . i have a problem on my engine, a coolant leak in down on my engine, you know my problem ! thanks you very mucth ! my name is Réjean thanks you ! i have a pontiac fiero gt 1987 2.8 V6
Yes that's me! Good memory , can we talk on there or text? You know a lot about Fieros and I wouldn't mind getting your opinion on a couple things if that's OK if it's bothering you I understand
Trift You don't need the air conditioner professionally removed. "Technically" you are supposed to have the Freon professionally removed because it is illegal to release the r12 Freon I to the air. The shops can recapture it and recycle it. If your Freon already leaked out due to old gaskets then its good to go ahead and remove it.
+minihawnsl Just as a side note, I feel like I've talked to you before. Possibly on Ebay. Is your RUclips name the same on EBay? I was selling a Lamborghini Diablo last year on EBay and thought maybe you might have inquired about it. Here is a link to that car on my other RUclips channel. ruclips.net/video/X7hDFnAE6oQ/видео.html
The real magic is how you were able to find those camera angles in the confines of a Fiero! You seem cool under pressure, I like that!
Ok, I've owned my 88GT for 15 years. I want to do an LS1 engine swap, but have not been confident to even consider doing it myself.
This vid is a sure confident builder. I didn't realize how easy it was to remove the engine. Thanks a bunch!
I have an 88 formula with a 350 small block out of an Iroc…. About to swap that for a 383 stroker.. Hopefully it goes that smoothly!!! GREAT VIDEO!!!!
Nice job. Took a while to get over the sunglasses, but you honestly did a Fiero engine removal. It looked like u were doing it by yourself but we saw an assistant at the end.
THANKS A BUNCH MAN ! im 49 years old and did my 1st cradle to cradle swap from a 87SE 5sp to my 85GT 4 speed.
5 hours out and about the same going back in. used just your video for reference ! this job was easier than a clutch i did on a fiero by swinging down the cradle !
Wow!! That’s incredible. Thank you for making this video, thank you very much. Doing this on my Fiero tomorrow (12-3-22). This was so awesome for me. 3800SC going in. You are so smart, how you know all this is amazing.
Im 35 and my first car was supposed to be a Fiero but it didnt happen. One of these days I am going to find one and get it. Great job and I cant wait to watch the video about the 3800. I had one of those beasts and I bet that motor makes that Fiero drive incredible.
Build0001 same story here just got my 1985 Fiero glad to see I'm not the only one
THe edgyness of this guy is something special
So helpful man! Thank you so much! You are the calmest mechanic I've ever seen work on a car! p.s. lol at the person who said "that's a freaking Ferrari, at 16:58 " my wife said the same thing when she saw mine! Keep up the great work! This should be a piece of cake for me now, thanks to this video! I guarantee you though, I won't be as calm as you, I'll just edit the cussing out when I edit my videos! Lol
do you always do engine swaps in jeans and a leather jacket haha
Why Focking Not???
it the most important tool
Thanks a heap! Very helpful video. Getting ready to pull the V6/auto in mine for an engine rebuild. I am grateful for the information and the clarity of your instructions!
8 years later amd still helping people lol, im 18 starting a few days ago and this really helped me out when dropping out my engine for my fiero, im gonna throw a 2.0l buick turbo engine in it from a regal premium 3, plan on pushing hopefully 250-300 whp
10:30 for the big bolts a 3/4 wrench fits
very well made video and very helpful! thanks for taking the time to make it.
Where is kitt?😃😃😃😂
16:57
"That's a Porsche...No it's a freakin' Ferrari, Duh!"
And that's about how the lawsuit went. Haha
Lo0ol , I've watched the full video except for this part as I forwarded it , cool 😎
I seriously feel like I just watched Neo from the Matrix jack up a Pontiac.There's even a deja vu moment in the opening scene deja vu moment in the opening scene.
That intro was inspirational, chief, thanks for the help.
Thanks so much. This will make my weekend project a lot faster and easier.
I have a fiero, and it has a rotted subframe. I bought a donor car and this video helped a lot!
Have an 87 GT auto, transmission is starting to go bad. Trying to decide if I should do the 3800 SC swap haha
purplecorn1234 You should totally go for it. At this point if I had a 2.8 that needed an oil change I'd use that as an excuse to do a 3800 swap. I priced out a rebuilt auto trans from a local shop a few years back and it was $1300-1500 installed. A 3800 swap with automatic transmission tend to be between $3,000-$4000 and they are not only a lot more powerful but also more reliable. I have a whole set of install videos. It really doesn't seem as tough to swap as I originally feared.
LostNotForgotton thanks for the reply and I appreciate all the information you've got on here, will definitely refer back to your videos when I decide to swap it!
I love all your videos. Please don't stop making them!!!!
I have a 85 SE automatic with an 88 2.8 in its engine bay. My problem is with the torx bolts on the water pump,(three are stripped) and its been a 2 day battle just getting 5 of the top ones out. Very tight quarters to be working in with big hands. Perhaps dropping the engine is a solution in this case, being as how there is no guarantee that the remaining 7 bolts will suddenly begin to cooperate. I have new coolant return lines as well as a new exhaust system that I had planned on installing,but with the motor out to do the water pump, (grind off the heads, or hammer in the torx) and just maybe install the smaller, lighter, and improved alternator,and a "new to me" A C pump. The latter 2 being a pain to work on with the motor in place. Nice Vid by the way.
Wish I would’ve found your video sooner, didn’t know the wiring harness disconnected from the firewall so I disconnected everything from the engine to leave the harness with the car 🤦♂️
Love the kids in the background... first kid 'That's a Porsche'... second kid 'That's a friggin Ferarri, duh'. Second kid was close ;)
Cool video. I am planning to remove my 4 cilinder engine and cradle so this is very helpful. Thank you!
Ahh memories I watched this video in 2015 and I completely prepared my 85 gt to take the motor out (at the time I was 12) but upon further inspection I fond found out that the engine was fine and the fuel was just very old so now I am stuck putting the car back together
Hello Fiero nation. I’m wanting to put some 17” wheels on my 87 GT. The question I keep getting ask is my lug pattern and the only thing I know is a 5 lug pattern. What do I need to know to get the wheel that will fit my Fiero . Can’t drive it right now, installing a 3800sc Any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys
So is this pretty much the same on an 84 four speed and 85 4 speed v6? Taking the tranny off the 84 and replacing the 85 with it
The 4 cylinder is a little different as things may be located in different areas, such as the fuel lines. The manual transmissions will have two shifter cables to remove and a hydraulic clutch line to remove. Other than that it's fairly straight forward.
+LostNotForgotton the 84 has a naturally carburetored v6 from an old Oldsmobile
how would I replace the clutch fork? would I need to drop the engine?if not is there a way to get to it without pulling the motor? can't find a thing about it
You will most likely have to pull the transmission out to get to it. Maybe there is a way to do it with the transmission still in the car ( I doubt it though) but I don't know how it would be done because you won't be able to get it off the throw out bearing. If you can get an engine brace that supports the engine on the strut towers then you can remove the bolts that connect the engine to the transmission and the rear cradle bolts and swing the crade and transmission down like a door hinge. Most people don't have the engine support to do it that way so you'd have to drop the whole engine out. The other option is having a transmission shop do it. They have those engine braces. I don't know what transmission you have but the Fiero Store sells a clutch fork for the 87-88 Getrag transmission only and it's about $400. Lots to consider but Getrags are the best transmission offered in the Fiero (IMO).
Thanks for sharing this video with us.
you forgot the ground on the left side of the decklid
Hi Can you tell me why my fan is always running? I have a Fiero GT 1987. When I start the engine, the fan start right away but doesn’t stop. I changed the sensor that stops the fan to run and I allo changed the PCM sensor. I changed also the selenoy.
i have a question about my fiero..its a 85 se with 4 speed..runs good when you dint get in it..boggs down if you give it more than half gas.but will pixk back up after about 4 thousand rpms then give out a backfire right when i shift..runs fine at slow acceleration.i have two engine codes..the vss and a egr...24 and 32..have any ideas?
What did you place the engine on to wheel it away?
Will 2 of the 1000lb harbor freight Dolly's be sufficient? What do you recommend?
Hello @LostNotForgotton I was wondering which Fuse is the headlight Fuse? Is it located in the inside of the car under the dashboard? or in the trunk front of the car? Please help me with this I have a 1986 Pontiac Fiero headlights won't go up or down and I'm thinking it's either a Fuse or relay?
I need help. My 87 Fiero has a 5 speed. The 3800 is an automatic I need a flywheel to pair the 3800 to my getrag 5 speed. Please can anybody help me know what I need to do. Thanks very much
I believe FieroRog makes a custom machined flywheel that you can buy. If you need more info I can dig up the info on what flywheel to use and what it needs to be machined to if you wanted to have a local shop machine it.
Are there any exhaust mounts/hangers I need to know about? particularly on the front side of the engine?
I'm planning on dropping my engine/trans cradle to rebuild the engine and install a new clutch very soon
hi great video i have a 84 with the 4 and 5 speed (?) its been awhile lol one problem i have is the power wire to the computer the connector looked like an accessory plug but i found that that was for the power to the comp. i added a wire to it, had it running 2 days later went to start it and nothing so now im thinking it may be the neutral safety switch. i dont know how to bi pass it to make sure thats the problem. i also found the clutch slaves cyl was jerry rigged using one out of a S10 and it didnt work . i now have the right one . any advice to upgrade the computer or power wiring on a 84 with the 4? great vids by the way. my Fiero has 86000 kilometers . if i was going to swap the motor i was thinking of the Cobalt SS motor what do you think?
How ABOUT THE steps to install a L34 dohc v6 3.4 in there instead?
Can you tell me the best engine and transmission to use for a stretched fiero kit car? Specifically, I have heard that a Chevy 350 small block engine should pair with an Audi transmission. If so, what model Audi, how hard is the marriage how is cost of this combo?
I have an 88 formula with a 350 small block out of Iroc. It has the original Getrag 5 speed in it.. Nit stretched or nothing just stock body…
Do you still have your Fiero? and are you still part of the community?
Interesting videos and very informative. I find myself watching them at 1.75X speed.😁
Well ur kinda like the "fiero King" :) so my question is. I was thinking about redoing my origanal fiero wiring. Everything works . But I was thinking of putting in a much simpler or updated universal wiring system. I have a kit so my body is off. Anyhow I'm wondering if it's worth the trouble of replacing the wiring or should I work with what I have? Thank u
+minihawnsl Thank you! I try to share whatever knowledge I have with anyone who might need it. I love Fiero's and want to help everyone keep theirs alive. My opinion regarding your question is I'd probably just keep the stock Fiero harness. As long as there isn't any issues with it I'd just keep using it. I don't think any universal harness will offer any advantages since the Fiero harness was designed to specifically fit the Fiero's needs. I doubt car manufactures would use any more wire than is needed. If GM made one wire 1" longer than needed and then multiplied that by the number of cars they built in a year that would lead to a lot of excess cost. So car manufactures will only use what they need and not waist their money on excessive wire length. That said, I think you are probably better off keeping your harness.
However, I would suggest doing the 1227730 ECM upgrade to your harness. That was a great upgrade I did for my Fiero and would suggest it to anyone. I love the way my Fiero revs with that ECM. You can hear my 7730 hit the rev limiter in my cold air intake video and I LOVE the sound of my Fiero hitting the rev limiter ;) You can listen to that here:
ruclips.net/video/aotZeZFXuC0/видео.html
A stock Fiero won't rev like that. Your ECM will allow the engine to rev way past the limits of the engine. If interested, you can check out my 7730 video here:
ruclips.net/video/3PsSX6ClBhE/видео.html
Good job i learn a lot from you Thanks
So, I just watched this video because I'm trying to drop my cradle. I have an 86 GT and it's a 4 speed manual. Let me just say, my car looks nothing like yours and it's maddening. My ac compressor lines are not reachable. Can't even see the bolt because of a giant catalytic converter in the way. My fuel lines have no such fittings like yours. I have yet to figure out how to disconnect. My lines are a solid piece where yours have fittings. There is a fuel filter further down, but there's another fuel line that has no fitting anywhere. I'm assuming its on top of the tank.
What did you have to do?
I ended up having to lift the body off of the cradle with the fuel lines intact. Just enough so I could reach the fittings at the gas tank.
What is the estimated cost for a full engine swap to a 3800 SC in a fiero?
That's a tough question to answer. It really depends on so many factors such as your fabricating skills and what you end up paying for your engine and transmission. If you can't weld (like me) then you'll have to purchase brackets. Doing a manual transmission will cost more than doing an automatic transmission. If you want to add performance parts or paint will also add to your bill. I have $4,900 in mine but I did a pulley upgrade and upgraded suspension. I also replaced parts to improve the engines reliability. I would say you should figure on spending between $3,500 and $5,000. Spending $3,500 is just getting the engine in and running and the more you spend above that would improve reliability, performance and visual aesthetics to your taste. I hope that gives you an idea to shoot for.
Like a god damn boss, Sir. Keep up the good work for the fiero community
I gave you a thumbs down due to the use of the gd word in your post. What are you 12 or just an atheist. Come on man tighten up
Clean job buddy for a garage
Hey Bobby @LostNotForgotten,
I sent you a PM thru the Fiero forum. I don't know how often you check your messages. I have few questions I would like to ask you. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks.
Is that Dana carvy with a fiero. “Ain’t that special”
U f&&kin rock many thanks you have taught me so much
i removed the engine on my 86 fiero much easier just remove the intake and the heads then just take out the block dont need to tear up the hole car putting the engine back its just as easy
would that work going from a 4 cylinder to the v6?
Jorge Toores : hi Gorge,excuse me,i speak english little bit . i have a problem on my engine, a coolant leak in down on my engine, you know my problem ! thanks you very mucth ! my name is Réjean thanks you ! i have a pontiac fiero gt 1987 2.8 V6
Why didn't you post the video
I cant believe someone would use that setup for refrigerate line setup for brakes in an emergency they would pull out of the crimp!
Yes that's me! Good memory , can we talk on there or text? You know a lot about Fieros and I wouldn't mind getting your opinion on a couple things if that's OK if it's bothering you I understand
Why do we need the air conditioner professionally removed?
Trift You don't need the air conditioner professionally removed. "Technically" you are supposed to have the Freon professionally removed because it is illegal to release the r12 Freon I to the air. The shops can recapture it and recycle it. If your Freon already leaked out due to old gaskets then its good to go ahead and remove it.
LostNotForgotton why does it need to be removed in the first place?
Have a question for u about me fiero.. Cool?
+minihawnsl Sure, what's your question? I'll do my best to help.
+minihawnsl Just as a side note, I feel like I've talked to you before. Possibly on Ebay. Is your RUclips name the same on EBay? I was selling a Lamborghini Diablo last year on EBay and thought maybe you might have inquired about it. Here is a link to that car on my other RUclips channel.
ruclips.net/video/X7hDFnAE6oQ/видео.html
Thank you
I didn't know Edward Norton was into Fieros
Haha! You hear some passerby call it a Ferrari in the background...
1.5x speed is very nice
How da F do you even see how to find the bolts to remove them in your supposedly kool shades man, I'm jealous !
Damm money pit fieros
Thank you