“One day, after dinner, while my younger sister and I were lounging about in Mr. Gopher Wood's yard, we spotted a fledgling Charmony Dove all on its own. That baby bird was tiny, it didn't even have all of its feathers, and it couldn't sing. When we found it, it was already on its last breath, having fallen into a shrub - probably abandoned by its parents. We decided to build a nest for it right there and then. However, thinking back, that winter was unusually cold, with fierce winds at night in the yard, not to mention the many poisonous bugs and wild beasts in the vicinity... It was clear that if we left the fledgling in the yard, it stood no chance of surviving until spring. So, I suggested we take it inside, place it on the shelf by the window, and asked the adults to fashion a cage for it. We decided that when it regained its strength enough to spread its wings, we would release it back into the wild. The tragic part - something that we'd never considered - was that this bird's fate had already been determined long before this moment... Its destiny was determined by our momentary whim. Now, I pass the power of choice to you all. Faced with this situation, what choice would you make? Stick to the original plan, and build a nest with soft net where the Charmony Dove fell? Or build a cage for it, and feed it, giving it the utmost care from within the warmth of a home? I eagerly await your answer.”
some of ppl in chat cannot differentiate between story plot and story telling, you can have good story telling but bad plot and vice versa, in hsr penacony's case good plot Awful story telling.
@@sendiafirza how they have actual animations, zzz has comic books and wuwa has way more animations overall and exercises visual storytelling allot better. also zzz doesn't bog you down with jargon people talk like actual humans.
We should be expecting more from the story (in terms of presentation at the very least) considering how much money Hoyo makes, and considering how long Penacony was in development (supposedly) it's crazy how much its story relied on bloated dialogue and static cutscenes does this make it the worst game I've played, nah but certainly there's plenty of room for improvement... hopefully 2.4/2.5 (barring any plot holes people noticed) are more indicative of the storytelling in Amphoreus than Penacony lmao
the recent Xianzhou story is not indicator or glimpse for upcoming Amphoreus story cause each story is written or you could said being in charged by different writers. Like how Belobog, Xianzhou and Penacony(Shaoji was the writer for Penacony) are written by different writer which you can feel and see clearly in their story style and story quality. Upcoming Amphoreus is gonna be written by Fanchuan, aka "Greenland Sailboat", this is the writer of hi3 few visual novel which loved by fan like 7 sword or Welt backstory and many story arc in hi3 like Otto arc. In term of writing and popularity of Fanchuan story, he is consider right behind Shaoji
@@jakeail1995 so if shaoji wrote peniscony, and this other guy is considered slightly inferior to him, then we can expect another dogshit story in 3.x His stories being "fan favorites" mean nothing when those same fans glaze penacony so hard
I've come to terms with the bloated meaningless dialogue. It's clearly not aimed at me or people like me, but I've had this discussion with a bunch of people and some of them are into all the idle banter.
@@jakeail1995 if the writer is Greenland, then his cons is also bloating too much physics law theory sh*t during the moon arc, and the part1 last arc is a bit underwhelming. However, he did a phenomenal story for Kolosten-Otto arc and decent background story for Welt in VN Anti-Entropy so I am hoping he will blow some fresh air to the 3.0 stories
Im with him on Penacony. I was actually happy to go back to Xianzhou, and I didn't particularly like that area either. Rappa's quest and event nearly broke me, though. We seriously need a skip button for a lot of the content.
I think the reason why skip button never added is to force us to follow all the new characters subtle reveals, just so we will be like "oh shit who's that?" and when the drip dropped "oh i saw her in the story" despite dont bother at all about the plot. But even so, please let us skip for shitty small quests and events 😭
@@amirridzuannnnn they could just pulled a Genshin where when you uhh missed the special dating quest, they pull up this screen TO READ about the characters and how you met them, summarized. Yep that's cheap ik 😂
@@amirridzuannnnn Jokes on you, I just press auto text advance and alt tab to youtube, or put the game on my phone and just tap while i play something else on my pc
Guess the grace period for Penacony is up. The only thing that bothered me was how much they talked about the harmony bird though. 😅 But I guess everyone didn’t like how much it was repeated it since it’s a meme now. Penacony was still the best planet for me, but even I was zoning out a bit. Thankfully I can understand most of what the characters are talking about. We all know most of the players don’t read anyway and skip. 😂 Oh, and if they did read, maybe half of people actually understand what was happening.
I have to agree that some of the content repeated itself, mostly on the bird. But when I think about it, the repeat was done per patch so I think the repeat was a refresher. Unfortunately, they might have done it heavy-handedly making it feel like the players have an IQ below 90. What they should have done is create a recall feature so they can have it repeat to them voluntarily.
I dont think its so much that people have turned back on it and more that those who liked or were at least ok with it have moved on from the subject, meanwhile those who hate it keep coming back to criticize it. I think the attitude has definitely mellowed on it from PEAK to calling it alright/good, but flawed.
as usual. all of the braindead hoyolovers are there. i cant stand them and no. im never touching the crap game called.WUWA. im okay with a little bit of hsr and more ZZZ
As usual, hoyoshills can take zero criticism for their million dollar company. And when people actually make good points, they just ignore it and don't address it at all. They also have zero comprehension on the difference between plot and storytelling. Edit: Also WuWa's plot definitely isn't as good as HSR and Genshin's, but 1.1 and 1.3's presentation are far better than either of those games
He may spoke a bit aggresive and his title is clickbait but honestly... He does something most fanbois dont. Explaining his points and even showing ingame proof of that happening. I had friends calling penacony peak...but then failed to remember what actually happened. I think its terrible that you can not be critical about something without being shit on. We all know about Hoyos Yapp fest by now...but the point that not a single character can talk like a normal person and rather chooses to speak like some mysterious being who only talks in convoluded riddles is so god damn bad and annyoing. Also the Adventurine and Robin part. Let us know the character first before doing some tragic backstory or scene...because otherwhise we dont know him/her enough too care...unless you are a simp that is. I just think that most of this community are children and/or are easily satisfied with having cool looking characters...yet they still like everything else too just because of that. I myself go into the next patch sceptical. Lets see how they explain Fugue and Sunday...but I think it will be a lot of talk, pictures instead of animations to show things and an information dump that is presented in the most convoluded way...again. Seeing all those comments calling him a "shill" or something is just weird. Like they are on drugs and dont want anyone to talk bad about taking drugs. If someone has a point...and can explain AND show evidence too proof that point...at least counter his efforts with your own by showing him where he is wrong...instead of just calling him "shill" and leave it at that.
@Certifiedprecog27809 oh boy you most be one of white knight of hoyo of you talk abut my favorite game and you like others game I'm not gone respect you opinion even of it right and explain it
@@Certifiedprecog27809 Its crazy how people like you completely nullify everything he said only because he does WuWa content. He even mentioned that he did not skip anything, showed evidence and proof to his statements and was mature enough to not attack anyone who did like it. Yet you are here with your black and white opinion and dont even consider using your brain too develop an own opinion on that matter. If you are below 18...thats fine. You will mature over time...if you arent however...my bad.
One of the ways I rate a game or an major part of its story is by asking this question: Besides the boss fight and cutscenes is there any part in the game you would like to reexperience? If the answer is yes, then that's a good sign. I may say yes to Belobog (and maybe even some part of Luofu), but no to Penacony.
Some parts of Penycony I would want to rexperience for the first time though. Seeing Acheron cut Aventrines attack was sick, seeing the send off of Kakvsha as Aventurine walked off into the black hole was awesome, seeing the conversation between Aventrine and Sunday when they were talking about reclaiming the bag with the cornerstone in it was instrusting to watch. I loved the Firefly conversation about dreams near the beginning of Penycony, I loved the scene between the galaxy ranger Torian and Acheron with the Raiden Mei Ost in the background, and finally the secret ending with Acheron was cool. I also loved the conversation between Acheron and Welt about Kevin and famuler faces. Point is for me there was things worth rexperienceing.
@@nencrows_4580 That's great. I do like some of the HI3rd references and moments and the Aventurine and Sunday cornerstone dialog. Unfortunately I never liked the Penacony planet from the start, so the whole ark just have some few nice moments while I push through the content of world.
@@jacks248 I still remember Chadwick's quest. That one and some other side quests proved that there can be good storytelling in HSR, but they ended up repeating a bunch of stuff and yapping a lot after patch 2.1... And I hope they can improve it for 3.0
So he is absolutely right, the game lacks interactivity for dialogues to at least affect something, if you look at the same Heaven Burns Red - almost all dialogues affect the plot to one degree or another and you can get a bad ending. In HSR, dialogues do not affect anything, they are just there as the same question under different interpretations, but they do not bring anything new and no interactivity. There is no impact on the gameplay, the gamer does not feel the influence of the game's subtext on the gameplay, which means that it simply nullifies all the player's decisions that were made in one context or another. This is a serious problem in this game.
at this point genshin is better in story telling because they are doing cinematic animation/emoting and cool angle with so much less walking animation, maybe they are scared of wuwa, maybe not but, hey they are improving, while rappa sq makes me scared that hsr wont change
its better because it the medium of storytelling constantly rotates from static dialogue, cinematics, combat, and comic strip transitions... penacony's actual story content is good but the execution of its storytelling is mindnumbingly tedious.. we dont need a static background for 20 minutes where you only read texts..
shieeeet, is this why i am spending less and less time on HSR? I used to play HSR like crazy, login everyday , do daily quest, spend my stamina, play every single event, pay attention to any news related to HSR. Now, I spend less than 30 minutes in the game, don't even bother to play the main quests, events, simulated universe, and I can't figure out the reason, maybe this is why
lmao same i have no motivation to do anything in hsr like at all I still haven't done the event because I genuinely don't want to I haven't done the new SU either because its the same shit like I am tired of these SU exact same thing over and over again
I’ve come to realize that many people play hsr because they enjoy the endless yapping. Every time someone expresses their desire for a dialogue skip button on the Reddit sub, they get downvoted to hell.
It lines up with the sentiment that people (kids) today refuse to read actual books/ebooks so much because they can't go without some sort of external visual stimulation instead of letting their mind work the imagination as they read
@@seija8588A skip button would help tho. Its for people who just want to play. I mean its there for people who need it, its not mandatory to click it😂
"Penacony is good if you don't think about it" The person who wrote this... HOW. HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE??? If thinking about a story is a problem, something is wrong with your story.
Wait.... Penacony story quest is bad? Well I mean Belobog is still the top for me, but is it really that bad? Edit: Well I understand some don't want long dialogue coming from temporary characters.
It's a theme throughout all their games to be honest, at least for me, the overall stories are usually good if you condense them down to plot points, but how they're told often drags.
imo the issues that ryukuu is highlighting is a sentiment shared by all gachas, which is the yap, because instead of actually showing what’s going in the story, most of the big gachas nowadays just dialogue dump. Wuwa is also guilty of this but here’s the thing, IT HAS A SKIP BUTTON, so yh while I get where he’s coming from 100%, I dont think it’s u fair to give this criticism to star rail and not to every other gacha released. Most of the story experience pretty much depends if you have a skip button or not. Which imo should be a bare minimum in gachas from now.
Ironically, you can actually try to make the yap section at least bearable, by using different camera angles, characters move uniquely according to their personality during the dialogue, using less foregin jargon/technobabble or just straight up explaining things simply and leave things implicitly Like Einstein once said, if you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
@@hxppythxughts7149 riiiight, and then people will stuck with a frustration of trying to skip the dialogs only angrily pressing button while waiting when the character will stop moving. That's the problem with Genshin currently. You just can't press "next" until character leaves the screen or be done with their animation. Thus making the whole yapping more unbearable to people who want to skip the whole thing. JUST ADD THE SKIP BUTTON! And i believe it's possible for HSR at least, bc we had an event where you could skip repeated sections, so technically they can program the whole thing - they just don't want to.
Not all gachas, mostly shared by CN gachas. Coz they think bloating players with random jargon, term, and loredump is cool, not to mention sometimes hard to understand English. JP and KR gachas stories are easier to digest and enjoy. BA and nikke are some examples.
@@invertbrid now that you mentioned it. All the gachas I enjoyed reading its dialogues are indeed either from japan and korean. Like BA, Outerplane, Eversoul. Maybe because korean writers have experience writing k-drama, while japanese writers mostly have experience writing novel that more prioritize the complexity of kanji than words counts... since you know, wuxia and webnovel kinda a thing in chinese, and the writers there got paid by how many words written. So maybe reason why hoyo games full of bloated dialogues with unnecessary words because they want to get paid more
Funny thing is I liked Penacony than way more than 1.0, This is what got me so into the game. I started when 2.2 / 2.3 was out and played it all in one go. Funny me for wanting to play an RPG to read or to hear character dialogue... that people these days just call "Yapping" I guess this is not for everyone.
Cuz people also look at the screen , they arent hearing it like an audiobook like you, thats why people says its full of yapping cuz theres not much movements(static screen)
One point I don't understand about, what's he talking about you need to do Simulated Universe to understand about Harmony, Nihility, Xipe, etc. ? pretty sure I got the knowledge of those Aeons through main quest since I always skip anything in Simulated Universe
SU has a LOT of info regarding the world and Aeons so you'd be missing out on a lot - especially this recent expansion where we had Polka Kakamond appear to send us to Jesus and we needed the Herta and the crew's help to fend her off.
@@Man-sy2he I mean you'd would've known about Order's relationship with Xipe, how Aha operates, Tazzy that doesn't get enough context in the main story but it expecting you to know everything about them. While not absolutely important, it gives you a more concrete and complete context about the grand scheme of things in the story.
@@Shadow-fu3mf believe it or not at least the main ideas are presented in the mainstory. Example in the xianzhou kafka explains the relations between eons like xipe and order. Its all doted around in different places, and sometimes inferred.
It makes me sad that this is the reality. Kind of ironic that it takes place in the land of dreams where you only want to experience the fleeting moments more, while avoiding the real reality. I wasn’t sure what I wanted from Star rail as a new player this month. I legit speed ran all the content, but I could remember the overarching plot of Belobog better than half and even less of Xianzhu and Penacony respectively. Perhaps because HoYo decided to listen to more feedback from certain communities this time around, we got more information dumped on us than we could digest. Most of what was told doesn’t really pertain to the actual plot. If you removed Aventurine character quest and added it later (like idk replace Rappa’s quest), you wouldn’t miss much and you could see his side of the story at a much better pacing. I think the worst thing they tried to do was explain dying in dreams. It is so convoluted and hard to comprehend because of the amount of fake-outs and real ones. It certainly is shocking if you experienced it for the first time, but then it just got confusing with how the order of the characters that died and those that didn’t. Which comes back to switching character perspective to develop plot point, it felt unnecessary especially the Robin and Sunday one, and could be replaced with more impactful cutscenes right at the end of Sunday’s fall.
twitch needs a cognitive function captcha so that anyone watching has the level of critical thinking that ryuuku has instead of whatever the fuck i'm seeing in pokke's twitch chat
I said it before: the scenario writing of Penacony was bad and the ending was rushed as f**k. It wasn't that bad... Now 2.6... that hurt in my soul and a little part of my heart died with that monkeys and bananas. Hola shit it was horrible...
I would never wish 2.6 story on even my worst enemy, that shit is so mind numbingly boring and absolute brainrot I feel like having a seizure while reading through it. Hoyo please never make another pile of shit like that ever again
Ive been saying this about penacony, terrible story telling so much that i think it ruined the world especially after 2.6. Luckily story improved with Hoolay (2.5) and the Luka event so there is hope but i genuinely wish they worked on the story telling more in the future. The only reason i like playing this game is because of the combat, music , and characters/design so its not a huge issue for me. But I can understand why others do not feel the same way.
@@AHA-AHA-AHA-AHA I recently tried ZZZ and the story just bore me, what bugged me more was, not even 1 hour in there were already unvoiced main mission lines, which was mind boggling to me.
@@IgnasV the storytelling improves in ch3. Everything after that significantly improved because they stopped using TVs and allowed it to be more immersive.
@@IgnasV same reason i dropped it, story bored me even though it has cool animations, gameplay and way of storytelling (still gooing for new charactesr tho). i also tried wuwa for a while but just gave up. i only play hsr as of the moment coz i have hopes for greatness.
@@AHA-AHA-AHA-AHA I played Blue Archive for about 4 months, but the dailies and grind was too much for me to handle. Burned myself out on the game very quickly. HSR is probably the only Gatcha I like, or at least it didn't burn me out yet. I did try Wuwa too, first hour was amazing, but it fell off after that so quickly. Feels like an unfinished game, this event even has simulated universe rip-off in it's even lol. Genshins and Wuwas grind for resources makes me not even want to play those games, at least in Honkai you can leave it on auto and do something else.
That guy is yapping. But he could potentially save hsr 5:15 don’t blame her. Blame shaoji. Robin was just an extra, but at least she made her moments in sunday fight 7:30 i agree with this guy. Aventurine has took over 2.1 quest for so long. Why didn’t they make more companion quests for 5 star characters? Aventurine’s back story has zero effects on the story. A total waste of time 13:48 zyox is stirring up drama 14:19 when pokke sees two identical rocks at a far distance (yeah that dude said shaoji is a 13 year-old edgy)
i do agree that aventurine story is way too long but to say it has no effect on the story is not true. The whole point is to show his motivation, the process of him accepting death just to prove you can be killed in the dream realm and also create a slash through the bubble created by Ena. His death alone helps the trailblazers to access the dreamflux reef. Or you can say it makes him feel more like human and not just show up and then be killed which would make the plot way way worse.
@@magiisto4419 which is why he said it would be much better for them to tell aventurine story AFTER we finished it, we can just see him as a shady guy and "kill" him then reveal his true backstory on a caharcter story quest, trailblazer didn't even see what we see from aventurine POV anyway so it literally don't change any plot point. people that didn't care about him would have a way better time and those that did is going to be supprised by it, this is literally the same problem inazuma story have (which people hate the most) with ayaka and yoimiya forced to be on the archon quest
@@zard2341 idk as for me I just think it's very long but I do enjoy it. I think play it when it just came out and play the whole penacony arc in 1 go bring different experience.
Does a WuWashill rage baiter CC really warrant a counter argument or response though? Especially considering it's a subjective opinion anyway and again clearly ragebait.
There is none lmao Gacha slop fans need to evolve and plays quality for once Undertale is better than these slop trash low quality in writing and that game was a joke !
@@HardymanKcope you retard This shit is complete garbage and you know it Accept the facts that overrated trash like this are bad Here is a better game than this : undertale LMAO no even fnaf destroy this shit
2:06 I will agree when he said ____ penacony see even though I love achoron, adventuren , firefly etc plus the penacony story was good but still the way penacony looks it's absolute _____ .not only that exploring penacony _____. Those 3d rooms ___ . Penacony puzzles, penacony side quests all of it _______________. So yaaa i agreeeeee.😂
Okay let's be honest Penacony story wasn't that bad hell i would even say it was good and build up to Sunday boss fight was okay It's just the way of storytelling was bad For example they could have cut out whole Aventurine segments in 2.1 and leave it for his companion mission to focus on actual main character in actual MAIN story like they did with Belobog or Xianzhou characters i don't know why they kinda abandoned whole companion missions concepts they were cool when we wanted to know more about certain characters backstory Well let's just hope they will learn from their mistakes and make better storytelling for Amphoreus cause i'm pretty hyped up about this one
@w8909-j9y it doesn't matter if you are in minority since we all can have different opinions and like different things Several people called me madman cause i'm skipping Sunday even though summon meta is coming And i don't give a shit about it cause i will pull characters i truly like not the ones the community considers meta I was meta slave whole 2.x and that was the worst mistake i ever made
What i like about hsr is the hidden plays between the factions is really interesting. I also do like the funny interaction betweens the mains characters. But sometimes the dialogue/plot are a bit too obscure, almost feel like even the writers don't really know where they are going. Uhm.
My issue about his criticism is that everything he criticizing about Penacony he defends in Wuthering with his whole chest. Especially about my take on Shorekeeper story should have been a companion quest instead of main story issues
@@MegaDuke4life what i notice from wuwa, the story is more direct instead of long ass dialogue, and I like it that way. Even though the plot is not as strong as hsr, it is fun though. Less yap, more dynamic.
Here we have a video of Pokke smiling like a moron because he can't defend his favourite game properly. Sucks to suck, but atleast it's obvious you're hurt by knowing your game is dogsht.
I do agree with him penacony was one the worst story i saw, and this all dev fault for overhype the story the amount of unnecessary dialogue was crazy, bro we want to play the game not listening to voice light novel.
A lot of the problems in Penacony comes from pacing dialogue bloat and lack of background knowledge of the characters. Shaoji the guy we overhyped his story telling is best displayed when characters were already built upon. Case in point Elysium everlasting.
Man I wish Hoyoverse would reduce the dialogue bloating because Penacony actually has a pretty good story. I’m not gonna lie, I think I spaced out whenever Acheron and Welt was on screen and fell asleep maybe around the end (except Sunday’s boss fight woke me up) I really enjoyed Aventurine’s story though and liked the P.O.V character changes, but holy Jesus, sometimes I wish Hoyo would add a skip button. Also the 2.6 story, ngl I like the concept of brainrot monkeys and Rappa and Boothill’s story was actually interesting, but sometimes it goes off into this full on yap to the point it’s unbearable to listen to. I wish ZZZ’s storytelling and HSR’s story would like clash into each other, and add a skip button too.
The HSR 3.0 patch in a nutshell to me: "Stil no skip-button for dialogue? Stil no money from me for Mihoyo" Ive played alot of gachas over the years, but never in my life did i feel a gacha-game wasting my time/patience and intellect like this patch. After 1,5 hours of pure boredom, i just turned the sound off, let a clickbot run to skip thorugh the dialogue faster and watched netflix on my other monitor. After about 6 hours, i was so anoyed that i deinstalled the game. Compared to HSR the Wuthering Waves devs did a fantasitc job with 2.0, actually making the game feel like an improved version
Since he said it then I'm gonna also come out and say it, yeah, I didn't give a damn about Robin's death, it was surprising but not emotionally impacting at all; we didn't know squat about her, she was a complete stranger at that point. But Firefly's death was even less impactful to me because they shoved her in our face so much with her constantly smiling that I saw the death flag above her face in the first five minutes I spoke to her. I was more surprised that she came back later because she did feel like that one npc you meet in a story and you know they'r just gonna die to set a darker tone for the narrative. Also, this dude litteraly contradicted himself within a few minutes. First he complained about Aventurine's story during the main quest and then he complains about why we didn't see Robin's story during the main quest ???!!! Do you WANT to see side character stories during the quest or NOT ? PICK ONE !
That's not a contradiction because they aren't the same thing. 1, robin's death is a main plot point that drives the story forward, therefore it's important to make the player care about the character so that it's interesting. If it isn't interesting, it's not a good story. As for adventurine point, it's a side story that's randomly placed in the middle of the main story where you take his perspective. That's completely different to developing robin's character. Adventurines backstory should have been done after the main story to give you a different perspective of his character, but putting it in the middle takes away from the trailblazers story.
I like how with Aventurine and firefly, he is like I dun care don't go to their perspectives, leave that for character stories. Then with Robin he is like why do u not show me Robin getting shot, why let Sunday yap. ??? Shouldn't that be in the character quest then according to u? And then if the story telling is always bound to the main character, people start saying the characters have no story and are boring.
Sunday was the main villain and Robin backstory would add some meaningful context to his villain origin story. And people like you who aren't smart enough to understand basic things like this try to gaslighting people to think 2.0 story was actually deep and philosophical. 😂😂😂
@@shiyamukuro8559 do you get the point? let the side character stories out of MAIN STORY. like genshin? you have story quest that is out of Archon quest?
@@pooyayaddasht2419 We didn't even know who the main villain was back in 2.0 and 2.1, 2.0 and 2.1 are the build up episodes, if they don't talk about those supporting casts in the main quest, smartasses like you will complain how the story didn't make you care about the characters. Hsr was never meant to be a movie, it's more like a episode by episode show on TV. Also Sunday is the main villain, but showing Robin getting shot doesn't make his villain story more rich, it's not the main point of his villain story, Sunday also didn't see that happen himself. Maybe you can't read, but Sunday's main origin story is his period listening to confessions for years, and they did show that more important point.
I think he meant with the length of Aventurine airtime, that should be character quest. Meanwhile a small section at best 15 minutes of building up Robin backstory until getting shot then back to Sunday reasoning, is good enough to not be a character quest.
Yeah that was definitely the wildest take. Even the Aventurine part of the story was better, maybe Slumbernana monkey was worse or about the same, but at least it interspersed with some wholesome March/Dan Heng interaction and Mr. Reca was actually hilarious. There were not many redeeming factors in the Aranara quests honestly.
Oh boy. I remembered I had a beefed with this guy on twitter because he said he read all the dialogues but doesnt even know the basic info about the story. 🤣
Nah, it never explain all thr whole jargon unless you read into the lore yourselves, you are just assumed to know. Stretch out dialogue is still a thing. You can have the basis of dialogue like 30% through but they still drag it out nonetheless. He makes a lot of points.
@fiyindk7367 I know what he means the pace of storytelling and the stretch out dialogues but he just reaching so hard in this video to say its a bad game. 🤣 Also jargon words also on WuWa so its not HSR problem but gacha in general.
@@immortalspoiler there is no jargon word in wuwa that used all the time in game and wuwa story don't strech stupidly long like hsr if they remove the useless things in hsr story i believe its gonna be 10x better but ... i don't think they do that they just wanna waste ppls time with unskippable long story
Honestly, Penacony was not really that bad. Dissapointing in some regards, far from peak, but it was ok for what it delivered. I think Ryuuku does not understand that Honkai games are more about stories and less about the gameplay. Lets be honest, even if he got more gameplay, it would have changed nothing because he would have just auto battled through it quickly anyway and still complained. That being said, I do agree he has valid points. Dialogue needs more life/interactivity, it can be cut down, the fake out deaths etc...but he lost me when he complained the game did not properly explain certain things or that the story didn't make sense. I understood it fine without needing to read additional info or deep dive into SU/DU. He definitely did not pay attention like he claims or failed to pay attention in earlier gameplay leading up to Penacony. That made it hard to take him seriously aside from the yapping criticism.
here my take Just because you don't skip the dialogue doesn't mean you understand the story and it show 1. Robin death not to make us care but to start a murder mystery who or what killing poeple 2. We follow aventurine not to feel for him because he a villain. no 2.1 he work like a detective so how would we connect the hint in the muder mystery if we don't follow and play as him huh. 3. Robin getting shot in the story is not the point for her but for Sunday to think and lost faith in harmony so we don't need to see it 4. "why dose life slumber" maybe corny to him but it a good psychological questions to show characters view point whit different answer, like sunday think people sleep because they scared of reality, aveturine think people sleep so they are ready when death come...ect There more I can said but you get the point overall honkai had always like reading a visual novel just because he don't understand and like it didn't mean everyone else is like him so no penacony is peak not because of hype.
To be fair.. Your point no.3 is kinda stupid? Idk what word to describe this OFC we need to see what happend with robin, his point about that scene kinda solid tho, if Hoyo make that scene into action and not only describe by Word, the feel we got will be different and maybe we also likely felt the feeling of Sunday at that time, lose hope agains Harmony
@@Shadow-fu3mf how it stupid the Just said if we have see Robin getting shot will she change as a character or we just oh so bad for her, we already know her a good person.She can get shot or hurt Robin will still be the same but sunday who already deal whit lot of bad people heard this no wonder he lose hope agains Harmony. Like the Robin seen would be cool but not needed sunday only need to know my sister got hurt that all
Idc about how good the story was It was fking MISERABLE to do it and read the dialogue. I'm a hoyo shill too but good lord I cannot shill that shit. Just no
Man, this is crazy! At one point, he said HSR players is cooked for loving HSR but a few minute later, he said he is not personally attacking HSR players. You either are or not, not both. Is like watching someone cooked himself/herself and then backtrack to clarify he/she didn't meant what he/she said. Btw, I believe players from China wasn't happy the story wasn't LONG enough to cover hidden lore and side story. (Could be wrong about this though) Imagine the story could have been 8-12 hours per patch instead of 4-6 hours.
if u can't see that he is sarcastic about things and overexaggerating for the sake of gags especially after the disclaimer at the end then get off the internet, his criticism is valid , hsr has good story , good character design , great music but bad story telling because it tells u and doesn't show u, if u think that looking at models repeating the same animations in the same place as good story telling , then you should up your standards and play non gacha good games.
I love how the video starts off like fuck you if you like this games story your a complete idiot and then predictably ends with it's all just jokes to make it look like any sort of counterpunch is way out of line. These WuWa CC's are basically all the same running the same ragebait content at this point.
@HardymanK XD we really going the route of gachaenjoyer bruh, if u get offended easily hop off the Internet and into ur bubble bro ur feelings don't change the issues in the game. And no one said anything bout wuwa here it's living rent free in ur mind
For all the points that he made about Star Rail's storytelling, and this is your takeaway from the video. I guess it really is true that HSR players have superiority complex and can't take it when there are HSR criticism.
Actually, I love the philosophy and idea in their story, but gosh, the whole pinecany presentation experience just horrible and really boring especially the milkhail story and charmony bird just not impact enough. And 2.6... yea, still good philosophy though, but... yea...
I agree with the dude about Xianzhou Luoufu. Honestly why do people hate it so much? I genuinely love that area Also I’m afraid that Amphoreus will have TONS of bloated dialogue especially because it looks like they’re going for themes about legends and gods so there will be lots of retelling of the actual stories they’re based on
It will for 3 reasons. 1- The writer is from HI3rd 2- fresh new region so obligatory mountain of useless jargon and character introductions 3- The newest trailer already looks and sounds pretentious af
Xuanzhou Loufu sucks balls for these reasons: 1. Too focused on showing off characters, leading to everyone having half-ass character development. 2. Some characters just happen to be at very convenient places for no particular reasons other than "the plot demands it" 3. For someone called "Divine Foresight", Jing Yuan only won because he got lucky.
Biggest reason is that MC is entirely pointless. Captured Kafka? Immediately escapes. Epic battle with the final boss? Dan heng solved all of it. Seriously. If MC didn’t left the train and took a nap for entire story line, nothing would have changed. The only mattered was dan heng. The story should revolve around MC. Harry potter series revolves around Harry potter. That’s the main purpose of MC. And if you failed on that, well then, your story failed too
@@longps9528 I can understand that first point. People like Qingque legit didn’t have a reason to be in main story quest. Also yeah they NEVER explained how Jing Yuan survived Phantilia
I really liked 2.5 because the pacing felt so refreshing, with more forward motion and actually compelling fights. and when there was a lot of yapping it was high stakes and really engaging. then 2.6 happened and yeah everything he talked about was still pretty true (tho Boothill section was well paced IMO). in general I do think we need more turn based combat in the turn based combat game. I loved Penacony and can forgive the inefficient storytelling for the sake of the long view and piecing the lore together, but he's so not wrong about the pacing and division of time. I really hope Amphoreus is a step forward from everything Hoyo and the community have learned from the journey so far. maybe more fights with trial story characters so it really feels connected to the plot. more dynamic cutscenes and show over tell. this is the kind of feedback the game needs, the devs hand been listening in terms of QoL and other balancing so I hope they are listening about the storytelling.
He hate the game because his account bricks😂 no change that he said he hates pacony boring etc. Well i said he hates it because hes brains short circuit and wasn't able to process the story.it Sucks for him .
@@Xyn3r his good points applied to all gacha games ,just like how mtash always whine .He's only able to compare it with AAA games ,if his claim about hsr the worst gacha games ,he can easily compared it to another gacha games ,but he can't .
@@hazard1one oh yeah definitely. When it is good things then yall "my game this my game that". But whenever it is a bad thing then yall yap "all gacha games thing". So convenient.
@@su3t what convenient ? he want to make a point "hsr worst gacha games he PLAYED" .ok put on some of your argument to back it up .Compare it to how other gacha game that HE PLAYED does it better , prove it please .
11:44 Wait hold up, he just complained about having to play as Aventurine and having to learn about his past. But if we played as Robin and went through her tragic event it would have been cinema?
yeah and he complained about some important story information being locked behind non mandatory content but he wants Aventurine's story ( which is essential to understand his actions in 2.1 ) to not be part of the main quest but a companion quest ( which are not mandatory ). I do agree with some of his points ( to some extend. Hsr's story is far from perfect, especially when it comes to story telling ) but he is definitly over hating.
hsr way of storytelling still needs improvement, but the story for me stands out the most out of any gachas in the space. imagine zzz storytelling combined with hsr story😆? hsr is in no way the worst game just because it have bloated dialouge, this kurobot hairline far surpasses that.
@@Ben-v6z3s it could definitely improve more for example (dynamic camera angle, longer and more cutscences etc), its not much of an issue for me right now, i'd still consume it. but its not the same for other people.
I have a problem with the way certain characters were handled in Penacony. Firefly implied in 2.0 that she could only use her 'body' in the dreamscape. because she was 'confined to the icy cabin' or whatever and because she has a disease. Never brought up again, and it seems like she can move around fine? i actually couldn't tell because by the end 'Reality' and the Dreamscape got so muddied up, I couldn't tell where we were. Aventurine should've actually died. His character was completed, his entire story arc and the climax was resolved. Black Swan was LITERALLY just a Deus Ex Machina in multiple situations, to the point where wtf is the point of her character besides just being in the right place with the right solution? That's about it though. Other characters Acheron, Sunday, and Welt all just talk TOO FUCKING SLOW. I liked everything else :^)
Have you ever considered the mech suit = to the 'icy cabin' your referring to also some of the story about characters are in the myriad celestia and the Simulated Uni and if you are that invested in their story you can piece them together through the sprinkled pieces they throw at you which I am not bothered to go through.
@genli5616 yes I understand the icy cabin is the metaphor for the mech suit lol. It had just seemed as if when she was speaking about it in 2.0, Firefly was confined inside of it with no way of exiting, and the Dreamscape was the only way she was able to move around outside of it. But that's clearly not the case, because of the scene in the car with Blade on the other planet. So that piece of dialogue is weird to me.
@@iocu no she says icy cabin bc.. She cant be out of her mech suit for long else she will slowly die. And its not something that gets better as she gets into her mech.. Its accumilative. She was happy with the dream scape bc.. She can access it inside the mech.. While she roams with her body. She can be free in her body as much as she wants.
@@BlueCHMAthat just your own assumptions. All glamoth soldier going war to different planets only with their mech suit, ever seen any of them carrying cryopods in firefly trailer??
Honestly saying Luofu is good and Penacony is bad is only a take you can have if you know either 0 lore or paid no attention. The initial Xianzhou Quest is still the worst in the game for multiple reasons. It introduced a concept they quickly scrapped which was the idea of mamdatory side quests This created a huge issue for the story because people who actually did the Dan Shu quest were greeted by basically a completely different character in the follow up of the story that was just cartoonishly evil and then got insta killed by fake Tingyun Ah yes...fake Tingyun Something that was not built up AT ALL in the entire previous quest. Tingyun being Phantylia absolutely could have worked as twist if: A) We knew Phantylia even was a character that exists, which we didn't snd therefore made her a completely ineffective twist villain B) If we actually met the *real* Tingyun at *any* point WHICH WE DIDN'T Point B is the biggest misstep as the absence of ever meeting the actual Tingyun makes any investment the player and the in universe cast have in her death a complete joke. Oh and finally a personal gripe.... Blade and Dan Heng. Giant lore that was built up highly and fell flat in a 10 second cutscene were Blade insta wins and then joins DHIL because we need to have gameplay for two Banner characters. Big Lore of these two? Naaaa we resolve this stuff in a few seconds.
In terms of story telling, luofu is better. He did not say it is good, but it is relatively better than penacony's storytelling. And if you watch till the end you may heard him say luofu is also bad just a bit better than penacony in his opinion in terms of storyteling
What quality lmao ??! This is worse than a fan fiction about game of throne This shit is garbage he exposed this trash for what it is a nonsensical badly written mess of an abomination Get better taste
Honestly, I liked the story until up until the end where you fight sunday boss. After that, its pure yapping😂 The hoolay story was good too but I didnt like the ending.
It's really telling when Belobog, the first planet had the best story telling even after Xianzhou and Penacony was released in all of its entirety. I hope the game picks up again when the new planet comes around since the other two didn't really seem as engaging for me.
as long as u dont care about getting max clear endgame and malding when ur favourite character cant do that, then the game is all fine. u get enough rewards to pull the characters u "like"
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After reading some of comments in this video, Some of yall need to get your feellings and biases aside and start using your ears and brain.
“One day, after dinner, while my younger sister and I were lounging about in Mr. Gopher Wood's yard, we spotted a fledgling Charmony Dove all on its own. That baby bird was tiny, it didn't even have all of its feathers, and it couldn't sing. When we found it, it was already on its last breath, having fallen into a shrub - probably abandoned by its parents. We decided to build a nest for it right there and then. However, thinking back, that winter was unusually cold, with fierce winds at night in the yard, not to mention the many poisonous bugs and wild beasts in the vicinity... It was clear that if we left the fledgling in the yard, it stood no chance of surviving until spring. So, I suggested we take it inside, place it on the shelf by the window, and asked the adults to fashion a cage for it. We decided that when it regained its strength enough to spread its wings, we would release it back into the wild. The tragic part - something that we'd never considered - was that this bird's fate had already been determined long before this moment... Its destiny was determined by our momentary whim. Now, I pass the power of choice to you all. Faced with this situation, what choice would you make? Stick to the original plan, and build a nest with soft net where the Charmony Dove fell? Or build a cage for it, and feed it, giving it the utmost care from within the warmth of a home? I eagerly await your answer.”
some of ppl in chat cannot differentiate between story plot and story telling, you can have good story telling but bad plot and vice versa, in hsr penacony's case good plot Awful story telling.
like wuwa and zzz have okaish story but better story telling
Agree
@@sendiafirza how they have actual animations, zzz has comic books and wuwa has way more animations overall and exercises visual storytelling allot better. also zzz doesn't bog you down with jargon people talk like actual humans.
@@RyuN100 Wuwa? Debatable. ZZZ on the other hand is better in more aspects than just 'presentation'.
@@RyuN100 hell nah, as a wuwa player, wuwas story telling and plot was utter dogsh*t. But it is improving thankfully.
We should be expecting more from the story (in terms of presentation at the very least) considering how much money Hoyo makes, and considering how long Penacony was in development (supposedly) it's crazy how much its story relied on bloated dialogue and static cutscenes
does this make it the worst game I've played, nah but certainly there's plenty of room for improvement... hopefully 2.4/2.5 (barring any plot holes people noticed) are more indicative of the storytelling in Amphoreus than Penacony lmao
the recent Xianzhou story is not indicator or glimpse for upcoming Amphoreus story cause each story is written or you could said being in charged by different writers. Like how Belobog, Xianzhou and Penacony(Shaoji was the writer for Penacony) are written by different writer which you can feel and see clearly in their story style and story quality. Upcoming Amphoreus is gonna be written by Fanchuan, aka "Greenland Sailboat", this is the writer of hi3 few visual novel which loved by fan like 7 sword or Welt backstory and many story arc in hi3 like Otto arc. In term of writing and popularity of Fanchuan story, he is consider right behind Shaoji
@@jakeail1995 so if shaoji wrote peniscony, and this other guy is considered slightly inferior to him, then we can expect another dogshit story in 3.x
His stories being "fan favorites" mean nothing when those same fans glaze penacony so hard
I've come to terms with the bloated meaningless dialogue. It's clearly not aimed at me or people like me, but I've had this discussion with a bunch of people and some of them are into all the idle banter.
@@jakeail1995 if the writer is Greenland, then his cons is also bloating too much physics law theory sh*t during the moon arc, and the part1 last arc is a bit underwhelming. However, he did a phenomenal story for Kolosten-Otto arc and decent background story for Welt in VN Anti-Entropy so I am hoping he will blow some fresh air to the 3.0 stories
then i need to know belobog writer
Im with him on Penacony. I was actually happy to go back to Xianzhou, and I didn't particularly like that area either. Rappa's quest and event nearly broke me, though. We seriously need a skip button for a lot of the content.
I think the reason why skip button never added is to force us to follow all the new characters subtle reveals, just so we will be like "oh shit who's that?" and when the drip dropped "oh i saw her in the story" despite dont bother at all about the plot. But even so, please let us skip for shitty small quests and events 😭
I still haven’t complete the music side event. So tired of the vibe
@@amirridzuannnnn they could just pulled a Genshin where when you uhh missed the special dating quest, they pull up this screen TO READ about the characters and how you met them, summarized. Yep that's cheap ik 😂
@@amirridzuannnnn Jokes on you, I just press auto text advance and alt tab to youtube, or put the game on my phone and just tap while i play something else on my pc
I swear the writing for the rappa event was written by a child
Guess the grace period for Penacony is up. The only thing that bothered me was how much they talked about the harmony bird though. 😅 But I guess everyone didn’t like how much it was repeated it since it’s a meme now.
Penacony was still the best planet for me, but even I was zoning out a bit. Thankfully I can understand most of what the characters are talking about.
We all know most of the players don’t read anyway and skip. 😂
Oh, and if they did read, maybe half of people actually understand what was happening.
I have to agree that some of the content repeated itself, mostly on the bird. But when I think about it, the repeat was done per patch so I think the repeat was a refresher. Unfortunately, they might have done it heavy-handedly making it feel like the players have an IQ below 90. What they should have done is create a recall feature so they can have it repeat to them voluntarily.
You named yourself Winston!?
I dont think its so much that people have turned back on it and more that those who liked or were at least ok with it have moved on from the subject, meanwhile those who hate it keep coming back to criticize it. I think the attitude has definitely mellowed on it from PEAK to calling it alright/good, but flawed.
Pokke's chat is insufferable as ever
as usual. all of the braindead hoyolovers are there. i cant stand them and no. im never touching the crap game called.WUWA. im okay with a little bit of hsr and more ZZZ
As usual, hoyoshills can take zero criticism for their million dollar company. And when people actually make good points, they just ignore it and don't address it at all. They also have zero comprehension on the difference between plot and storytelling.
Edit: Also WuWa's plot definitely isn't as good as HSR and Genshin's, but 1.1 and 1.3's presentation are far better than either of those games
Everyone saying he's right or wrong.
He's only right or wrong if you agree or disagree with him.
True that's how opinions are defined
You are truly the mind of a generation, get this man a Nobel peace prize.
Bro cooked, but the food came out ice cold.
Nah, he's right. Dialogue frogs are severely dented.
@@therealestsparkle .....WOW REALLY? 🤯
He may spoke a bit aggresive and his title is clickbait but honestly... He does something most fanbois dont. Explaining his points and even showing ingame proof of that happening. I had friends calling penacony peak...but then failed to remember what actually happened.
I think its terrible that you can not be critical about something without being shit on. We all know about Hoyos Yapp fest by now...but the point that not a single character can talk like a normal person and rather chooses to speak like some mysterious being who only talks in convoluded riddles is so god damn bad and annyoing. Also the Adventurine and Robin part. Let us know the character first before doing some tragic backstory or scene...because otherwhise we dont know him/her enough too care...unless you are a simp that is.
I just think that most of this community are children and/or are easily satisfied with having cool looking characters...yet they still like everything else too just because of that.
I myself go into the next patch sceptical. Lets see how they explain Fugue and Sunday...but I think it will be a lot of talk, pictures instead of animations to show things and an information dump that is presented in the most convoluded way...again. Seeing all those comments calling him a "shill" or something is just weird. Like they are on drugs and dont want anyone to talk bad about taking drugs. If someone has a point...and can explain AND show evidence too proof that point...at least counter his efforts with your own by showing him where he is wrong...instead of just calling him "shill" and leave it at that.
But he is wuwa fanbois that only make content praising the game then when it comes to hoyo his video always negative. No one trust this guy
@@Certifiedprecog27809 nice counter argument. oh wait it's not.
@@Certifiedprecog27809 and no one trust random person like you.
@Certifiedprecog27809 oh boy you most be one of white knight of hoyo of you talk abut my favorite game and you like others game I'm not gone respect you opinion even of it right and explain it
@@Certifiedprecog27809 Its crazy how people like you completely nullify everything he said only because he does WuWa content. He even mentioned that he did not skip anything, showed evidence and proof to his statements and was mature enough to not attack anyone who did like it. Yet you are here with your black and white opinion and dont even consider using your brain too develop an own opinion on that matter. If you are below 18...thats fine. You will mature over time...if you arent however...my bad.
One of the ways I rate a game or an major part of its story is by asking this question:
Besides the boss fight and cutscenes is there any part in the game you would like to reexperience?
If the answer is yes, then that's a good sign.
I may say yes to Belobog (and maybe even some part of Luofu), but no to Penacony.
Some parts of Penycony I would want to rexperience for the first time though. Seeing Acheron cut Aventrines attack was sick, seeing the send off of Kakvsha as Aventurine walked off into the black hole was awesome, seeing the conversation between Aventrine and Sunday when they were talking about reclaiming the bag with the cornerstone in it was instrusting to watch. I loved the Firefly conversation about dreams near the beginning of Penycony, I loved the scene between the galaxy ranger Torian and Acheron with the Raiden Mei Ost in the background, and finally the secret ending with Acheron was cool. I also loved the conversation between Acheron and Welt about Kevin and famuler faces. Point is for me there was things worth rexperienceing.
@@nencrows_4580 That's great. I do like some of the HI3rd references and moments and the Aventurine and Sunday cornerstone dialog. Unfortunately I never liked the Penacony planet from the start, so the whole ark just have some few nice moments while I push through the content of world.
@eherden2169 That's fair.
Some of the side quests in Penacony were pretty peak to me, but that’s prolly an unpopular opinion because everybody skips side quests 💀
@@jacks248 I still remember Chadwick's quest. That one and some other side quests proved that there can be good storytelling in HSR, but they ended up repeating a bunch of stuff and yapping a lot after patch 2.1... And I hope they can improve it for 3.0
So he is absolutely right, the game lacks interactivity for dialogues to at least affect something, if you look at the same Heaven Burns Red - almost all dialogues affect the plot to one degree or another and you can get a bad ending. In HSR, dialogues do not affect anything, they are just there as the same question under different interpretations, but they do not bring anything new and no interactivity. There is no impact on the gameplay, the gamer does not feel the influence of the game's subtext on the gameplay, which means that it simply nullifies all the player's decisions that were made in one context or another. This is a serious problem in this game.
That's literally the basic of rpg and this shit cant even do that properly and the writing is abysmal it make undertale look like Shakespeare
Yeap he is on the money. Hoyo should deliver a much better story telling with the gigantic rev this game pulls
Crazy how hoyo verse is full of fate fans yet they can’t even get a fraction of the story telling quality of something like fgo at bare minimum
at this point genshin is better in story telling because they are doing cinematic animation/emoting and cool angle with so much less walking animation, maybe they are scared of wuwa, maybe not but, hey they are improving, while rappa sq makes me scared that hsr wont change
Honestly a W take. The storytelling is just so much better in ZZZ even though the actual story is better in HSR.
Definitely, ZZZ story is kinda easy to follow along than HSR, I'ma be mad if HSR is connected to Honkai Impact 3rd 💀
Basically the story telling in zzz is better just for skip bottom
its better because it the medium of storytelling constantly rotates from static dialogue, cinematics, combat, and comic strip transitions...
penacony's actual story content is good but the execution of its storytelling is mindnumbingly tedious.. we dont need a static background for 20 minutes where you only read texts..
@@1Apex_LegendProMaster007 bruh why would they name "Honkai" star rail if it is not connected
Yep delivery and plot seems to be in 2 dimensions in HSR.
shieeeet, is this why i am spending less and less time on HSR? I used to play HSR like crazy, login everyday , do daily quest, spend my stamina, play every single event, pay attention to any news related to HSR. Now, I spend less than 30 minutes in the game, don't even bother to play the main quests, events, simulated universe, and I can't figure out the reason, maybe this is why
This shyt relatable
Ye burnout is real. I’m only now starting 2.6 story. I’ve literally done everything else(events, dailies/weeklies), all while skipping dialogue LMAO
lmao same i have no motivation to do anything in hsr like at all I still haven't done the event because I genuinely don't want to I haven't done the new SU either because its the same shit like I am tired of these SU exact same thing over and over again
I hope he makes a follow-up video after he play 2.6 brainRot LOL
I’ve come to realize that many people play hsr because they enjoy the endless yapping. Every time someone expresses their desire for a dialogue skip button on the Reddit sub, they get downvoted to hell.
It lines up with the sentiment that people (kids) today refuse to read actual books/ebooks so much because they can't go without some sort of external visual stimulation instead of letting their mind work the imagination as they read
@@seija8588A skip button would help tho. Its for people who just want to play. I mean its there for people who need it, its not mandatory to click it😂
"Penacony is good if you don't think about it"
The person who wrote this... HOW. HOW DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE???
If thinking about a story is a problem, something is wrong with your story.
7:42 btw
The story is bad that's why if you don't think about it you will just enjoy everything thrown on you
@@ashrafhakim379except in this situation their saying it’s good not you can still enjoy it if you don’t thini
Wait.... Penacony story quest is bad? Well I mean Belobog is still the top for me, but is it really that bad?
Edit: Well I understand some don't want long dialogue coming from temporary characters.
Yes 🤮🤮🤮🤮
it was not that bad if you remove half of the useless yapping
Bad conclusion,bad cast
Decent plot but atrocious storytelling. yes STORYTELLING.
It's a theme throughout all their games to be honest, at least for me, the overall stories are usually good if you condense them down to plot points, but how they're told often drags.
imo the issues that ryukuu is highlighting is a sentiment shared by all gachas, which is the yap, because instead of actually showing what’s going in the story, most of the big gachas nowadays just dialogue dump.
Wuwa is also guilty of this but here’s the thing, IT HAS A SKIP BUTTON, so yh while I get where he’s coming from 100%, I dont think it’s u fair to give this criticism to star rail and not to every other gacha released.
Most of the story experience pretty much depends if you have a skip button or not. Which imo should be a bare minimum in gachas from now.
Ironically, you can actually try to make the yap section at least bearable, by using different camera angles, characters move uniquely according to their personality during the dialogue, using less foregin jargon/technobabble or just straight up explaining things simply and leave things implicitly
Like Einstein once said, if you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough.
Wuwa story is shorter and have good dialogue scene.
Even if it's bad, the story is not torturing you for hours and hours lol
@@hxppythxughts7149 riiiight, and then people will stuck with a frustration of trying to skip the dialogs only angrily pressing button while waiting when the character will stop moving. That's the problem with Genshin currently. You just can't press "next" until character leaves the screen or be done with their animation. Thus making the whole yapping more unbearable to people who want to skip the whole thing. JUST ADD THE SKIP BUTTON! And i believe it's possible for HSR at least, bc we had an event where you could skip repeated sections, so technically they can program the whole thing - they just don't want to.
Not all gachas, mostly shared by CN gachas. Coz they think bloating players with random jargon, term, and loredump is cool, not to mention sometimes hard to understand English.
JP and KR gachas stories are easier to digest and enjoy. BA and nikke are some examples.
@@invertbrid now that you mentioned it. All the gachas I enjoyed reading its dialogues are indeed either from japan and korean. Like BA, Outerplane, Eversoul. Maybe because korean writers have experience writing k-drama, while japanese writers mostly have experience writing novel that more prioritize the complexity of kanji than words counts... since you know, wuxia and webnovel kinda a thing in chinese, and the writers there got paid by how many words written. So maybe reason why hoyo games full of bloated dialogues with unnecessary words because they want to get paid more
Funny thing is I liked Penacony than way more than 1.0, This is what got me so into the game. I started when 2.2 / 2.3 was out and played it all in one go. Funny me for wanting to play an RPG to read or to hear character dialogue... that people these days just call "Yapping" I guess this is not for everyone.
I think the problem is it feels overly verbose. I like hearing characters converse and stuff but it becomes "yap" when it's talking for talking itself
Cuz people also look at the screen , they arent hearing it like an audiobook like you, thats why people says its full of yapping cuz theres not much movements(static screen)
One point I don't understand about, what's he talking about you need to do Simulated Universe to understand about Harmony, Nihility, Xipe, etc. ? pretty sure I got the knowledge of those Aeons through main quest since I always skip anything in Simulated Universe
SU has a LOT of info regarding the world and Aeons so you'd be missing out on a lot - especially this recent expansion where we had Polka Kakamond appear to send us to Jesus and we needed the Herta and the crew's help to fend her off.
@mirageknight8070 my point is all of that is an extra stuff, I could understand the main story without it
u got information about Harmony, Nihility, and Xipe? from Main Quest ??? For Real XD ?
@@Man-sy2he I mean you'd would've known about Order's relationship with Xipe, how Aha operates, Tazzy that doesn't get enough context in the main story but it expecting you to know everything about them.
While not absolutely important, it gives you a more concrete and complete context about the grand scheme of things in the story.
@@Shadow-fu3mf believe it or not at least the main ideas are presented in the mainstory. Example in the xianzhou kafka explains the relations between eons like xipe and order. Its all doted around in different places, and sometimes inferred.
i thought i was the only one who thought penacony cut scenes were too long
It makes me sad that this is the reality. Kind of ironic that it takes place in the land of dreams where you only want to experience the fleeting moments more, while avoiding the real reality. I wasn’t sure what I wanted from Star rail as a new player this month. I legit speed ran all the content, but I could remember the overarching plot of Belobog better than half and even less of Xianzhu and Penacony respectively.
Perhaps because HoYo decided to listen to more feedback from certain communities this time around, we got more information dumped on us than we could digest. Most of what was told doesn’t really pertain to the actual plot. If you removed Aventurine character quest and added it later (like idk replace Rappa’s quest), you wouldn’t miss much and you could see his side of the story at a much better pacing.
I think the worst thing they tried to do was explain dying in dreams. It is so convoluted and hard to comprehend because of the amount of fake-outs and real ones. It certainly is shocking if you experienced it for the first time, but then it just got confusing with how the order of the characters that died and those that didn’t. Which comes back to switching character perspective to develop plot point, it felt unnecessary especially the Robin and Sunday one, and could be replaced with more impactful cutscenes right at the end of Sunday’s fall.
twitch needs a cognitive function captcha so that anyone watching has the level of critical thinking that ryuuku has instead of whatever the fuck i'm seeing in pokke's twitch chat
I said it before: the scenario writing of Penacony was bad and the ending was rushed as f**k. It wasn't that bad...
Now 2.6... that hurt in my soul and a little part of my heart died with that monkeys and bananas. Hola shit it was horrible...
I would never wish 2.6 story on even my worst enemy, that shit is so mind numbingly boring and absolute brainrot I feel like having a seizure while reading through it.
Hoyo please never make another pile of shit like that ever again
The closure doesn't even feel like it's for penacony it's more like for firefly lmao
@ymw1107 the brainrot monkey song was kinda funny ngl.
Ive been saying this about penacony, terrible story telling so much that i think it ruined the world especially after 2.6. Luckily story improved with Hoolay (2.5) and the Luka event so there is hope but i genuinely wish they worked on the story telling more in the future. The only reason i like playing this game is because of the combat, music , and characters/design so its not a huge issue for me. But I can understand why others do not feel the same way.
true hsr story deserves a better storytelling, because the current one doesn't do it much justice. hsr devs needs to smoke some of that zzz pack.
@@AHA-AHA-AHA-AHA I recently tried ZZZ and the story just bore me, what bugged me more was, not even 1 hour in there were already unvoiced main mission lines, which was mind boggling to me.
@@IgnasV the storytelling improves in ch3. Everything after that significantly improved because they stopped using TVs and allowed it to be more immersive.
@@IgnasV same reason i dropped it, story bored me even though it has cool animations, gameplay and way of storytelling (still gooing for new charactesr tho). i also tried wuwa for a while but just gave up. i only play hsr as of the moment coz i have hopes for greatness.
@@AHA-AHA-AHA-AHA I played Blue Archive for about 4 months, but the dailies and grind was too much for me to handle. Burned myself out on the game very quickly. HSR is probably the only Gatcha I like, or at least it didn't burn me out yet. I did try Wuwa too, first hour was amazing, but it fell off after that so quickly. Feels like an unfinished game, this event even has simulated universe rip-off in it's even lol. Genshins and Wuwas grind for resources makes me not even want to play those games, at least in Honkai you can leave it on auto and do something else.
That guy is yapping. But he could potentially save hsr
5:15 don’t blame her. Blame shaoji. Robin was just an extra, but at least she made her moments in sunday fight
7:30 i agree with this guy. Aventurine has took over 2.1 quest for so long. Why didn’t they make more companion quests for 5 star characters? Aventurine’s back story has zero effects on the story. A total waste of time
13:48 zyox is stirring up drama
14:19 when pokke sees two identical rocks at a far distance (yeah that dude said shaoji is a 13 year-old edgy)
i do agree that aventurine story is way too long but to say it has no effect on the story is not true. The whole point is to show his motivation, the process of him accepting death just to prove you can be killed in the dream realm and also create a slash through the bubble created by Ena. His death alone helps the trailblazers to access the dreamflux reef. Or you can say it makes him feel more like human and not just show up and then be killed which would make the plot way way worse.
@@magiisto4419 which is why he said it would be much better for them to tell aventurine story AFTER we finished it, we can just see him as a shady guy and "kill" him then reveal his true backstory on a caharcter story quest, trailblazer didn't even see what we see from aventurine POV anyway so it literally don't change any plot point. people that didn't care about him would have a way better time and those that did is going to be supprised by it, this is literally the same problem inazuma story have (which people hate the most) with ayaka and yoimiya forced to be on the archon quest
@@zard2341 idk as for me I just think it's very long but I do enjoy it. I think play it when it just came out and play the whole penacony arc in 1 go bring different experience.
As long as CN gamer want to be Firefly Lapdog, nobody can save hsr
That writer is trash lmao the dialogue is worse than edgelord fan fiction level you cannot make this sh up
He just said everything i want to hear
Instead of making fun of this guy why not give counter argument
Does a WuWashill rage baiter CC really warrant a counter argument or response though? Especially considering it's a subjective opinion anyway and again clearly ragebait.
There is none lmao
Gacha slop fans need to evolve and plays quality for once
Undertale is better than these slop trash low quality in writing and that game was a joke !
@@HardymanKcope you retard
This shit is complete garbage and you know it
Accept the facts that overrated trash like this are bad
Here is a better game than this : undertale LMAO no even fnaf destroy this shit
2:06
I will agree when he said ____ penacony see even though I love achoron, adventuren , firefly etc plus the penacony story was good but still the way penacony looks it's absolute _____ .not only that exploring penacony _____. Those 3d rooms ___ . Penacony puzzles, penacony side quests all of it _______________.
So yaaa i agreeeeee.😂
Welp, watched Egg man's POV and now I am watching in Pokke's POV.
18:03 He's going to have a stroke like I almost had. Xd
8:30 PLEASE READ ANOTHER BOOK I SWEAR TO GOD
Okay let's be honest Penacony story wasn't that bad hell i would even say it was good and build up to Sunday boss fight was okay
It's just the way of storytelling was bad
For example they could have cut out whole Aventurine segments in 2.1 and leave it for his companion mission to focus on actual main character in actual MAIN story like they did with Belobog or Xianzhou characters i don't know why they kinda abandoned whole companion missions concepts they were cool when we wanted to know more about certain characters backstory
Well let's just hope they will learn from their mistakes and make better storytelling for Amphoreus cause i'm pretty hyped up about this one
i guess im in the Minority of people that actually thought eventurine story was easily the best part in penacony. 😅
@w8909-j9y it doesn't matter if you are in minority since we all can have different opinions and like different things
Several people called me madman cause i'm skipping Sunday even though summon meta is coming
And i don't give a shit about it cause i will pull characters i truly like not the ones the community considers meta
I was meta slave whole 2.x and that was the worst mistake i ever made
After i "play" Gacha games, i finally know that it was not a game, it is a social media with mini games and common topics to discussed.
What i like about hsr is the hidden plays between the factions is really interesting. I also do like the funny interaction betweens the mains characters. But sometimes the dialogue/plot are a bit too obscure, almost feel like even the writers don't really know where they are going. Uhm.
Oh shit, here we go....
lol you probably shouldve released your video about your concerns with WuWa before HSR's
You had some good points though, like Sunday talking too much and characters just standing around
HSR community is filled with toxic positivity
Don't worry people that understand nuances and actually has reading comprehension will know what you're talking about.
@@kokoala9354he already did lol and people say that wuwa fans are obessesd with hoyo when wuwa is not even important here
He has the point tho
My issue about his criticism is that everything he criticizing about Penacony he defends in Wuthering with his whole chest.
Especially about my take on Shorekeeper story should have been a companion quest instead of main story issues
Wuwa got a skip button
I agree to some aspect but I'll take banger cinematics over static png yapping anyday.
Wuwa has a skip button and was more enjoyable in my opinion penacony was a complete yap fest I loved the xianzhou loufu and jarilo 6 story
@@MegaDuke4life what i notice from wuwa, the story is more direct instead of long ass dialogue, and I like it that way. Even though the plot is not as strong as hsr, it is fun though. Less yap, more dynamic.
@@alipaydar370 he literally said he hates xianzhoy the most 🤣
21:23 Only talking from personal experience, Genshin couldn't keep me hooked even after one year of trying, HSR did with its 1.0 patch.
16:52 actually i agree 100%. when you consume the content slowly you don't feel the difference in quality so much.
Here we have a video of Pokke smiling like a moron because he can't defend his favourite game properly. Sucks to suck, but atleast it's obvious you're hurt by knowing your game is dogsht.
I do agree with him penacony was one the worst story i saw, and this all dev fault for overhype the story the amount of unnecessary dialogue was crazy, bro we want to play the game not listening to voice light novel.
A lot of the problems in Penacony comes from pacing dialogue bloat and lack of background knowledge of the characters.
Shaoji the guy we overhyped his story telling is best displayed when characters were already built upon. Case in point Elysium everlasting.
Theres a reason most of us can watch Fast N Furious series, avengers, Pirate Caribbean non stop for 10 hours.
But HSR storie telling....
ZZZ and wuwa have mid story but the best story telling, 9/10
HSR and Genshin has good story but complete garbage story telling. 10/10 --> 4/10
Man I wish Hoyoverse would reduce the dialogue bloating because Penacony actually has a pretty good story. I’m not gonna lie, I think I spaced out whenever Acheron and Welt was on screen and fell asleep maybe around the end (except Sunday’s boss fight woke me up) I really enjoyed Aventurine’s story though and liked the P.O.V character changes, but holy Jesus, sometimes I wish Hoyo would add a skip button.
Also the 2.6 story, ngl I like the concept of brainrot monkeys and Rappa and Boothill’s story was actually interesting, but sometimes it goes off into this full on yap to the point it’s unbearable to listen to.
I wish ZZZ’s storytelling and HSR’s story would like clash into each other, and add a skip button too.
The HSR 3.0 patch in a nutshell to me: "Stil no skip-button for dialogue? Stil no money from me for Mihoyo"
Ive played alot of gachas over the years, but never in my life did i feel a gacha-game wasting my time/patience and intellect like this patch. After 1,5 hours of pure boredom, i just turned the sound off, let a clickbot run to skip thorugh the dialogue faster and watched netflix on my other monitor. After about 6 hours, i was so anoyed that i deinstalled the game.
Compared to HSR the Wuthering Waves devs did a fantasitc job with 2.0, actually making the game feel like an improved version
best solution is don't invest too much on story of any gacha games just collect your waifu/husbando
for day one players, the battle is definitely way, waayy, waaaayy shorter than 9 minutes
I thought it will be ragebait and slander but actually... Bro actually has fair points and i respect that
Man drops the coldest take of 2023 and 4 combined
Since he said it then I'm gonna also come out and say it, yeah, I didn't give a damn about Robin's death, it was surprising but not emotionally impacting at all; we didn't know squat about her, she was a complete stranger at that point. But Firefly's death was even less impactful to me because they shoved her in our face so much with her constantly smiling that I saw the death flag above her face in the first five minutes I spoke to her. I was more surprised that she came back later because she did feel like that one npc you meet in a story and you know they'r just gonna die to set a darker tone for the narrative.
Also, this dude litteraly contradicted himself within a few minutes. First he complained about Aventurine's story during the main quest and then he complains about why we didn't see Robin's story during the main quest ???!!! Do you WANT to see side character stories during the quest or NOT ? PICK ONE !
That's not a contradiction because they aren't the same thing. 1, robin's death is a main plot point that drives the story forward, therefore it's important to make the player care about the character so that it's interesting. If it isn't interesting, it's not a good story. As for adventurine point, it's a side story that's randomly placed in the middle of the main story where you take his perspective. That's completely different to developing robin's character. Adventurines backstory should have been done after the main story to give you a different perspective of his character, but putting it in the middle takes away from the trailblazers story.
I liked penacony, only issue being too much yap and could add more interactive stuff
This kind of person will never be happy. You could give them everything and still find a way to be negative.
Oh dear, Ryukyu sensei there haven't yet meet Rappa, has he? 😂😂😂
Tbf he got atleast 10% of his takes correct.
Edit : that guy earned my sub that video was fun
I like how with Aventurine and firefly, he is like I dun care don't go to their perspectives, leave that for character stories. Then with Robin he is like why do u not show me Robin getting shot, why let Sunday yap. ??? Shouldn't that be in the character quest then according to u?
And then if the story telling is always bound to the main character, people start saying the characters have no story and are boring.
Sunday was the main villain and Robin backstory would add some meaningful context to his villain origin story. And people like you who aren't smart enough to understand basic things like this try to gaslighting people to think 2.0 story was actually deep and philosophical. 😂😂😂
because robin and sunday are the main story of 2.0…
@@shiyamukuro8559 do you get the point? let the side character stories out of MAIN STORY. like genshin? you have story quest that is out of Archon quest?
@@pooyayaddasht2419 We didn't even know who the main villain was back in 2.0 and 2.1, 2.0 and 2.1 are the build up episodes, if they don't talk about those supporting casts in the main quest, smartasses like you will complain how the story didn't make you care about the characters. Hsr was never meant to be a movie, it's more like a episode by episode show on TV.
Also Sunday is the main villain, but showing Robin getting shot doesn't make his villain story more rich, it's not the main point of his villain story, Sunday also didn't see that happen himself. Maybe you can't read, but Sunday's main origin story is his period listening to confessions for years, and they did show that more important point.
I think he meant with the length of Aventurine airtime, that should be character quest. Meanwhile a small section at best 15 minutes of building up Robin backstory until getting shot then back to Sunday reasoning, is good enough to not be a character quest.
Hoyo shill going hate this video
Penacony worse than aranara?wtf, did this person escape from a mental hospital.
Everything worse than wuwa according to him even though wuwa has the worst story in all gacha games 😂
Yeah that was definitely the wildest take. Even the Aventurine part of the story was better, maybe Slumbernana monkey was worse or about the same, but at least it interspersed with some wholesome March/Dan Heng interaction and Mr. Reca was actually hilarious. There were not many redeeming factors in the Aranara quests honestly.
Writing wise I kinda agree plus you don't need to finish it in 1 run
@@Certifiedprecog27809 Bro has to bring wuwa to invalidate their argument 🤣
@@Kramer8 They're not wrong. Keep being ignorant to be happy
Oh boy. I remembered I had a beefed with this guy on twitter because he said he read all the dialogues but doesnt even know the basic info about the story. 🤣
Nah, it never explain all thr whole jargon unless you read into the lore yourselves, you are just assumed to know.
Stretch out dialogue is still a thing. You can have the basis of dialogue like 30% through but they still drag it out nonetheless.
He makes a lot of points.
@fiyindk7367 I know what he means the pace of storytelling and the stretch out dialogues but he just reaching so hard in this video to say its a bad game. 🤣 Also jargon words also on WuWa so its not HSR problem but gacha in general.
@@immortalspoiler meanwhile : HI3
@@immortalspoiler there is no jargon word in wuwa that used all the time in game
and wuwa story don't strech stupidly long like hsr
if they remove the useless things in hsr story i believe its gonna be 10x better but ... i don't think they do that they just wanna waste ppls time with unskippable long story
I've read everything in HSR's main story, but I can't remember any of the dialogues because all the conversations in the game are too wordy
Courage the Cowardly Dog - Paimon 11:30
Honestly, Penacony was not really that bad. Dissapointing in some regards, far from peak, but it was ok for what it delivered. I think Ryuuku does not understand that Honkai games are more about stories and less about the gameplay. Lets be honest, even if he got more gameplay, it would have changed nothing because he would have just auto battled through it quickly anyway and still complained.
That being said, I do agree he has valid points. Dialogue needs more life/interactivity, it can be cut down, the fake out deaths etc...but he lost me when he complained the game did not properly explain certain things or that the story didn't make sense. I understood it fine without needing to read additional info or deep dive into SU/DU. He definitely did not pay attention like he claims or failed to pay attention in earlier gameplay leading up to Penacony. That made it hard to take him seriously aside from the yapping criticism.
here my take
Just because you don't skip the dialogue doesn't mean you understand the story and it show
1. Robin death not to make us care but to start a murder mystery who or what killing poeple
2. We follow aventurine not to feel for him because he a villain. no 2.1 he work like a detective so how would we connect the hint in the muder mystery if we don't follow and play as him huh.
3. Robin getting shot in the story is not the point for her but for Sunday to think and lost faith in harmony so we don't need to see it
4. "why dose life slumber" maybe corny to him but it a good psychological questions to show characters view point whit different answer, like sunday think people sleep because they scared of reality, aveturine think people sleep so they are ready when death come...ect
There more I can said but you get the point
overall honkai had always like reading a visual novel just because he don't understand and like it didn't mean everyone else is like him so no penacony is peak not because of hype.
To be fair.. Your point no.3 is kinda stupid? Idk what word to describe this
OFC we need to see what happend with robin, his point about that scene kinda solid tho, if Hoyo make that scene into action and not only describe by Word, the feel we got will be different and maybe we also likely felt the feeling of Sunday at that time, lose hope agains Harmony
@@Shadow-fu3mf how it stupid the Just said if we have see Robin getting shot will she change as a character or we just oh so bad for her, we already know her a good person.She can get shot or hurt Robin will still be the same but sunday who already deal whit lot of bad people heard this no wonder he lose hope agains Harmony.
Like the Robin seen would be cool but not needed sunday only need to know my sister got hurt that all
Idc about how good the story was
It was fking MISERABLE to do it and read the dialogue. I'm a hoyo shill too but good lord I cannot shill that shit. Just no
@@spaceglidinmio2388 honkai had always like reading a visual novel not all understand and like it
as a nerd I love this style
The main issue is the story premise is good but story telling is freaking bad
Man, this is crazy! At one point, he said HSR players is cooked for loving HSR but a few minute later, he said he is not personally attacking HSR players. You either are or not, not both. Is like watching someone cooked himself/herself and then backtrack to clarify he/she didn't meant what he/she said.
Btw, I believe players from China wasn't happy the story wasn't LONG enough to cover hidden lore and side story. (Could be wrong about this though) Imagine the story could have been 8-12 hours per patch instead of 4-6 hours.
if u can't see that he is sarcastic about things and overexaggerating for the sake of gags especially after the disclaimer at the end then get off the internet, his criticism is valid , hsr has good story , good character design , great music but bad story telling because it tells u and doesn't show u, if u think that looking at models repeating the same animations in the same place as good story telling , then you should up your standards and play non gacha good games.
I love how the video starts off like fuck you if you like this games story your a complete idiot and then predictably ends with it's all just jokes to make it look like any sort of counterpunch is way out of line. These WuWa CC's are basically all the same running the same ragebait content at this point.
@HardymanK XD we really going the route of gachaenjoyer bruh, if u get offended easily hop off the Internet and into ur bubble bro ur feelings don't change the issues in the game. And no one said anything bout wuwa here it's living rent free in ur mind
For all the points that he made about Star Rail's storytelling, and this is your takeaway from the video. I guess it really is true that HSR players have superiority complex and can't take it when there are HSR criticism.
Awww, did poor baby get mad he criticized your favourite gacha game? cry more
You mean the story quest has too much story wow bahahaa i read evrything and ide do it again whats the big deal? your reading this right now.
Actually, I love the philosophy and idea in their story, but gosh, the whole pinecany presentation experience just horrible and really boring especially the milkhail story and charmony bird just not impact enough. And 2.6... yea, still good philosophy though, but... yea...
I agree with the dude about Xianzhou Luoufu. Honestly why do people hate it so much? I genuinely love that area
Also I’m afraid that Amphoreus will have TONS of bloated dialogue especially because it looks like they’re going for themes about legends and gods so there will be lots of retelling of the actual stories they’re based on
It will for 3 reasons.
1- The writer is from HI3rd
2- fresh new region so obligatory mountain of useless jargon and character introductions
3- The newest trailer already looks and sounds pretentious af
Xuanzhou Loufu sucks balls for these reasons:
1. Too focused on showing off characters, leading to everyone having half-ass character development.
2. Some characters just happen to be at very convenient places for no particular reasons other than "the plot demands it"
3. For someone called "Divine Foresight", Jing Yuan only won because he got lucky.
Biggest reason is that MC is entirely pointless. Captured Kafka? Immediately escapes. Epic battle with the final boss? Dan heng solved all of it.
Seriously. If MC didn’t left the train and took a nap for entire story line, nothing would have changed. The only mattered was dan heng.
The story should revolve around MC. Harry potter series revolves around Harry potter. That’s the main purpose of MC. And if you failed on that, well then, your story failed too
@@longps9528 I can understand that first point. People like Qingque legit didn’t have a reason to be in main story quest. Also yeah they NEVER explained how Jing Yuan survived Phantilia
I really liked 2.5 because the pacing felt so refreshing, with more forward motion and actually compelling fights. and when there was a lot of yapping it was high stakes and really engaging.
then 2.6 happened and yeah everything he talked about was still pretty true (tho Boothill section was well paced IMO). in general I do think we need more turn based combat in the turn based combat game.
I loved Penacony and can forgive the inefficient storytelling for the sake of the long view and piecing the lore together, but he's so not wrong about the pacing and division of time. I really hope Amphoreus is a step forward from everything Hoyo and the community have learned from the journey so far. maybe more fights with trial story characters so it really feels connected to the plot. more dynamic cutscenes and show over tell. this is the kind of feedback the game needs, the devs hand been listening in terms of QoL and other balancing so I hope they are listening about the storytelling.
This is what happens you dont take break and your only time in life is gaming lmao
do pokkey chat really bad all the begining or they just being trolled ?
Thankfully this guy isn’t another iyo and can handle disagreements, but I do actually agree with some of his points
He hate the game because his account bricks😂 no change that he said he hates pacony boring etc. Well i said he hates it because hes brains short circuit and wasn't able to process the story.it Sucks for him .
Pack it up boys time to head to "love and deepspace"😅
“Tell me you are rage baiting without telling me you are rage baiting” basically 😂
except with very good points
Title yeah but the video and its content was pretty on point
@@Xyn3r his good points applied to all gacha games ,just like how mtash always whine .He's only able to compare it with AAA games ,if his claim about hsr the worst gacha games ,he can easily compared it to another gacha games ,but he can't .
@@hazard1one oh yeah definitely. When it is good things then yall "my game this my game that". But whenever it is a bad thing then yall yap "all gacha games thing". So convenient.
@@su3t what convenient ? he want to make a point "hsr worst gacha games he PLAYED" .ok put on some of your argument to back it up .Compare it to how other gacha game that HE PLAYED does it better , prove it please .
I would love to hear him talk about genshin 😂
11:44 Wait hold up, he just complained about having to play as Aventurine and having to learn about his past. But if we played as Robin and went through her tragic event it would have been cinema?
less static screen. more showing.
yeah and he complained about some important story information being locked behind non mandatory content but he wants Aventurine's story ( which is essential to understand his actions in 2.1 ) to not be part of the main quest but a companion quest ( which are not mandatory ).
I do agree with some of his points ( to some extend. Hsr's story is far from perfect, especially when it comes to story telling ) but he is definitly over hating.
Aventurine is a villain though and already got a lot of screen time. Robin barely had any.
hsr way of storytelling still needs improvement, but the story for me stands out the most out of any gachas in the space. imagine zzz storytelling combined with hsr story😆? hsr is in no way the worst game just because it have bloated dialouge, this kurobot hairline far surpasses that.
Their storytelling is fine
@@Ben-v6z3s it could definitely improve more for example (dynamic camera angle, longer and more cutscences etc), its not much of an issue for me right now, i'd still consume it. but its not the same for other people.
But the fucking dialogue yap in penacony is 💀
Hsr has the best storytelling in my opinion, better than any other gacha games I've played.
@@spaceglidinmio2388 😆yea would lowkey appreciate it, if they reduce the bloats.
I have a problem with the way certain characters were handled in Penacony.
Firefly implied in 2.0 that she could only use her 'body' in the dreamscape. because she was 'confined to the icy cabin' or whatever and because she has a disease. Never brought up again, and it seems like she can move around fine? i actually couldn't tell because by the end 'Reality' and the Dreamscape got so muddied up, I couldn't tell where we were.
Aventurine should've actually died. His character was completed, his entire story arc and the climax was resolved.
Black Swan was LITERALLY just a Deus Ex Machina in multiple situations, to the point where wtf is the point of her character besides just being in the right place with the right solution?
That's about it though. Other characters Acheron, Sunday, and Welt all just talk TOO FUCKING SLOW.
I liked everything else :^)
Have you ever considered the mech suit = to the 'icy cabin' your referring to also some of the story about characters are in the myriad celestia and the Simulated Uni and if you are that invested in their story you can piece them together through the sprinkled pieces they throw at you which I am not bothered to go through.
@genli5616 yes I understand the icy cabin is the metaphor for the mech suit lol. It had just seemed as if when she was speaking about it in 2.0, Firefly was confined inside of it with no way of exiting, and the Dreamscape was the only way she was able to move around outside of it. But that's clearly not the case, because of the scene in the car with Blade on the other planet. So that piece of dialogue is weird to me.
@@iocu no she says icy cabin bc.. She cant be out of her mech suit for long else she will slowly die.
And its not something that gets better as she gets into her mech.. Its accumilative.
She was happy with the dream scape bc.. She can access it inside the mech.. While she roams with her body.
She can be free in her body as much as she wants.
@@BlueCHMAthat just your own assumptions. All glamoth soldier going war to different planets only with their mech suit, ever seen any of them carrying cryopods in firefly trailer??
@@Certifiedprecog27809 What is bro talking about
Pokke munching on seaweed that stuff is so good
Penacony is better than anything withering waves has done.
I agree with him, Penacony was garbo especially with that ending, if u removed ff from the story nothing would change
4 of these videos popping up on the same day all of a sudden. Okay, who paid you guys and why?
Honestly saying Luofu is good and Penacony is bad is only a take you can have if you know either 0 lore or paid no attention.
The initial Xianzhou Quest is still the worst in the game for multiple reasons.
It introduced a concept they quickly scrapped which was the idea of mamdatory side quests
This created a huge issue for the story because people who actually did the Dan Shu quest were greeted by basically a completely different character in the follow up of the story that was just cartoonishly evil and then got insta killed by fake Tingyun
Ah yes...fake Tingyun
Something that was not built up AT ALL in the entire previous quest.
Tingyun being Phantylia absolutely could have worked as twist if:
A) We knew Phantylia even was a character that exists, which we didn't snd therefore made her a completely ineffective twist villain
B) If we actually met the *real* Tingyun at *any* point WHICH WE DIDN'T
Point B is the biggest misstep as the absence of ever meeting the actual Tingyun makes any investment the player and the in universe cast have in her death a complete joke.
Oh and finally a personal gripe.... Blade and Dan Heng.
Giant lore that was built up highly and fell flat in a 10 second cutscene were Blade insta wins and then joins DHIL because we need to have gameplay for two Banner characters.
Big Lore of these two? Naaaa we resolve this stuff in a few seconds.
In terms of story telling, luofu is better. He did not say it is good, but it is relatively better than penacony's storytelling. And if you watch till the end you may heard him say luofu is also bad just a bit better than penacony in his opinion in terms of storyteling
When did he say luofu is good?
I feel that if this guy plays a visual novel he immediately combusts
Don't mistake bad storytelling for good story delivery.
visual novels usually has way better storytelling then this yapfest
He lost me when he said Honkia Star Rail worse game. In his opinion is the worse game so I would say is invalid
HE'S A KUROBOT? MAN
Excuse me did this guy say, "decrease in quality"? Please tell me he is joking. Every patch that comes out the content just gets better and better.
he is complaining about too yap and less gameplay
The only things getting worse is the game balance. Most of the stuff is pretty good.
also with every patch a new meta comes out 😭
What quality lmao ??! This is worse than a fan fiction about game of throne
This shit is garbage he exposed this trash for what it is a nonsensical badly written mess of an abomination
Get better taste
Honestly, I liked the story until up until the end where you fight sunday boss. After that, its pure yapping😂
The hoolay story was good too but I didnt like the ending.
I thought your main channel was a drama farm, now I got recommended this, well, I was wrong 🤡
Bro complains about hsr being so much but plays 7 GACHA GAMES!
It's really telling when Belobog, the first planet had the best story telling even after Xianzhou and Penacony was released in all of its entirety. I hope the game picks up again when the new planet comes around since the other two didn't really seem as engaging for me.
2.5 teased us with major story in the future, but 3.0 will be all about the new planet. The teaser for 2.5 just went nowhere 😂
I feel like if people treat hsr as visial novel then they would enjoy it more
The guy just misunderstand the meaning of "Story quest" 💀💀
ngl Pokke might be on the farther side of the spectrum. Wtf was this reaction...
as long as u dont care about getting max clear endgame and malding when ur favourite character cant do that, then the game is all fine. u get enough rewards to pull the characters u "like"
Title should be "95% of gacha games are sucks"
How is it 5 hours for 2.0?
I think I've done it in like 2 and half hour om the weekeng while collecting all the chests 😅. No skipping btw.
At least give us FK SKIP BUTTON HOYO.... This why I adore zzz and wuwa much more then hsr and genshit 😢
do they know what jrpg mean? even japanese hate that term ..this is why gacha game shouldn’t used fancy word
I forced myself to like penacony when it was fucking trash i didn't understand shit and it made me quit the game until i came back in 2.6.