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Why Genshin gets Worse the more you play | Tectone Reacts
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- Опубликовано: 22 май 2023
- Why Genshin gets Worse the more you play | Tectone Reacts
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I Played Genshin For 700 Hours To Find Its Flaws
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its crazy how every time paimon isnt following us , the story become better.
Carribert quest took her out and it was the best 90 minutes of my Genshin tenure
@@ssarellas L take + ratio
@@ssarellas I feel like I was one of the few players who honestly liked Paimon, but then again that was before I quit GI during the advent of the Ayato release patch so I don't know how she is right now in the game.
Paimon hate is so sheepish ngl
I don't necessarily mind Paimon, I just wish she did less of the goddamn pointless chatter she does. Unfortunately that would mean she has to go away.
One thing I'll never understand about Genshin is why they main characters barely show up in the game. Even in their own story quests, the majority of time is spent on random npcs you don't care about at all.
What's also dumb is how they also completely disappear from the world instead of just hanging out. Like, why can't Ningguang be in her own palace, why can't Barbara and Jean be in Mondstadt. If you could actually interact with characters, it'd make the game feel a lot more alive
Cause GI is for money quick grabbing.
It truly is a mystery. I can't even properly theorize about it. Like there's no real reason to do things this way, is there? I can't even make an assumption. It just makes no sense.
Star Rail is doing much better in this regard. For starters, we get a core cast of characters that we can get to know better over time. That's going to be a nice addition to the journey. But then all of the previous characters continue existing in the world, and then you get the companion side quests that even let them visit you on the train. Oh, and there's the random daily interactions via text messaging. Minor, but neat.
I'm low key excited to get all the Xianzhou characters on the train, lol. It'd be so cool to have Jing Yuan - general of the army - casually checking out your digs.
But something that's bothering me on that front is they didn't do all of the characters, for some reason. I think right now we're missing Seele, Bronya, and Herta. Hope they fix that at some point.
@@FlamingNinjaBoi It's possible that characters that don't have companion quests atm will get them in the future, the game just came out, so we'll see
Hence why in Honkai Star Rail, every character exist in their own place
You just summarized the number 1 thing that I hate the most about genshin 👏
Crazy when even skipping dialogue actually takes time as well, sometimes I'm clicking for over a minute straight and it frightens me sometimes
I once put a story dialogue on auto, went away to cook some dish hoping that when I come back the cutscene is over....
it wasn‘t
@@ebering4.039 it doesn't work like that bc Genshin has traveler responses every 3-4 lines. If you leave it on auto, it will automatically stop on traveler(your response).
I play on my phone in bed and I've fallen asleep so many times while skipping dialogues. it's insane how time and interest consuming it is
@@CozyyO7 I need to play something while I wait for Kingdom Hearts IV
@@CozyyO7 that depends on why they play. They could just be playing to waste time, for the combat or to look at ass. There are many factors
I REALLY wish that Aranara and Jeht questlines were voiced. How can they just decided to make a side world quest feels like it's own game and not gave voicelines to it.
Same bruh especially Jeht’s, her quest line was amazing
It would've been great if the Aranara questline was voiced. Just the idea of a bunch of voice actors sitting in a recording room struggling to pronounce all the Aranara names and terminology makes me chuckle.
Most of the big world side quests are so much more realistic, darker, and serious and have no voice acting. I cant bro i cant. There is so many lost oppurtunities in this game its not even funny
sorry no budget. forgive our indie company
Not listening to Paimon for once made it bearable
I just wish they would lessen the dialogue and make the Traveler speak instead of Paimon being our spokesperson.
I love the honkai star rail MC because they do that and they always make jokes that i find funny and lighten up the mood
What’s funny is that they literally have two voice actresses for the MC and refuse to use either of them
"They say a lot, and yet, they say so little"
OK, everyone stops here, he said what had to be said.
The truth, the holy truth.
As a person who unlocked inazuma four times on four separate servers, the pacing in inazuma, mainly the taxes part, was absolutely painful.
wdym u don't like spending hours doing other people's taxes when all u wanted was to play video games and relax
@@risen9127 XD
I think it was even more painful when the inazuma main story was just 80% npcs and 20% playable characters (itto, kuki, kirara, heizou, and other playable weren't even a part of this huge event).
Even worse is that they didn't even build up or talk about Raiden shogun's backstory to add more depth to our fight with raiden, obvious hints that the fatui was doing stuff in the background in the archon quest (this was in the world quest with the fking pot looking thing but who the fk plays that before the main story?), the fact that arlecchino actualy had spies in Inazuma (the shrine maiden girl with bad attitude's quest + others), and so on.
It was like one of the worst story in genshin ever since it was just super boring.
I literally opened almost half of Sumeru map before unlocking the Inazuma, so... Play how you like it, untill you can't
It is 😭😭😭 all of it is so fucking long help
Honestly, the Jeht and Sorush side quests in Sumeru had better pacing and were more enjoyable than a lot of the content in the game
Still even the story was fine it was hard to enjoy cuz they had the literal same model as the already 200 enemies you defeated, no voiced dialogues, boring cut scenes with no expressions how i am suposed to engage with them when they try so hard to make them simple npc, at the end i just started skiping the dialogue
Nah. What was even enjoyable in the desert quest? All you are doing is puzzles. Go read a manga with better story. Maybe something like one punch man.
@@Riyozsu The story, you meme.
The Sorush quest was really good, but my god, why was that scene where the Traveler connects with the Harvisptokhmn, or however you spell that, and has a vision of the past not an actual cutscene. Hey Hoyoverse. I would love to see Dainsleif fighting side-by-side with a one-armed sage against hordes of monsters.
Thank you a ton for reacting to my video man! It’s an absolute honor 🙏🏽
Ayo Teccy pin this comment!
I am sat there like "who asked" for 90% of genshins dialogue....kinda accepted it now lol
the "show, don't tell" rule is so true. i hate the black screen with white text for this exact reason. yoimiya's second story quest made an improvement on that where they had a still image instead of a black screen twice but then there was one scene where they did the black screen and i was like "NOOOO YOU WERE JUST IMPROVING," but then after that one is when they used an image the second time instead of the black screen. i hope they stop doing the black screen and just have a still image in it's place instead. i wish the sumeru story had this when traveler was explaining everything that happened to them up to that point. i wanted to see everyone's faces and reactions to everything that happened to traveler but noooooooo they just had to make it a black screen.
Yesss i get they need transition moments between loading scenes but am illustrated image would be so much better than black screen w text
I agree but I believe you can "show AND tell". Most media (specifically movies, TV shows, Games, and Visual Novels/Manga/comic books) do exactly this all the time. The problem with Genshin is that they will TELL you something in the most long drawn out uninteresting way possible sometimes like reading a dictionary (and thats assuming the info given is actually important and not some random npc quest☠️).
You can tell things but need to undercut with visuals or at least have very good character dynamic and dialog. The black screen shit is atrocious. That could have been voice acted or just cut entirely if it felt like it would just repeat something you already know.
@@justcallmekai1554 yo it would be cool if Dainslief narrated that, however that would have weird lore implication which is most likely the reason they haven’t done that.
Just imagine:
*You finally reunite with your sister in an emotional reunion*
I'm playing it right now, we had a black screen when we had to go back to the smithy to explain our objective.
So black screen to prevent Traveler from speaking (or Paimon). So the issue is those two again, OR that they wanted to quicken the pacing... Dunno if that's bad or not.
I think the issue with genshin impact is that while the story itself is progressing, your personal growth of your account and characters has long hit a ceiling. You don't feel like you need to become stronger for the next boss fight or threat so how do you build suspense in the story? You see a powerful looking new boss and you know you'll breeze through it with your roster of 20 maxed out fully farmed characters. At the beginning it felt like you had to actually get stronger to also progress in the story. That's when I still found it fun.
true, i wish they make the boss harder including the small enemies and not limit them at level 90 ish
i remember screaming and running away from that big geo hili in liyue because i wasn't that strong back then, it was fun
thats exactly what i was thinking and you worded it perfectly. New nations don't feel exciting anymore because nothing except abyss is difficult anymore
Because most of the players play at a casual level. They don't have a bunch of max level characters and perfect upgraded artifacts.
@@cpazmatikus3752 even as a casual there's still gonna be a point where you have actually good characters with decent gear of them. Unless ur definition of casual is a less than 3 month old player
its been like this since 2.0
Honestly most of Genshin's dialog reminds me of that scene from One Punch Man, where Genos kept talking about his backstory and stuff for who knows how long, except it's tedious and annoying.
And It's not like all of Genshin's story is bad like the story events and hangouts are really good, and I do think some of the Sumeru arc is good, it's just the execution that's the problem imo.
and why saitama demands a 20 word limit
yea, unneeded dialogue is killing it for me like you can make it short but they make it long obviously
*Shorten it to 20 words or less*
Hoyo should become Saitama's student, too. They could learn something.
It hurts so much... And when you need to sit through all that dialogue to unlock bosses that your characters need... Yeah I spammed through all of nahidas story quest just for the boss 🧍♂️
@@ryanryan4223fr, i just started playing genshin again like 3 or 4 months ago, and now i already burnt out of it. I unlocked Sumeru and, oh my sweet lord, the quests are so dragging and it became a chore. Not just Sumeru, even Inazuma stories are such a pain in the ass. So many side stuffs and so many dialogues (especially Sumeru). I enjoy the stories and lore but by dragging out the stories, it made me quit the game for now.
They should make it like what Tectone said, make the side missions in the story as optional. Players can choose whether to do it or not if they need to understand the story more. Not forcing players to do it to unlock the main story.
I feel like genshin is the perfect example of "A game that was never meant to be as big as it was" because the amount of flaws the core game has is kind of insane because it trys to combine to game into one, specifically open world rpgs and gacha mechanics and at face value it does a semi excellent job at first but once you start actually progressing and leveling up charcaters and you start reaching the point where nothing truly new gets added thats when the problems start showing themselves.
"A game that was never meant to be as big as it was" doesn't makes sense at all.
The devs *intend* to make the content appealing to newer players and wider audiences, and not entertain older players. Isn't it obvious the game is "big" as it targets newer audiences?
And gacha mechanics? The main catch in gacha games is to slowly add content over time for profits. At face value it is obvious to me to expect "flaws" of running out of content once you progress - they add content OVER time
@@arunjosephshadrach4079 " they add content OVER time" no they don't, they reuse content over time, boring content might i add
Hoyoverse abuses psychological tricks
@@arunjosephshadrach4079 cause the previous game honkai is mid at best and the devs never thought genshin would blow up
@@404dne honkai is pretty mid and even their new game star rail, that is actually the worst of all three ngl
When he said "show don't tell" I almost jumped out of my bed cheering cuz THANK YOU FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE GETS IT.
Like honestly I personally don't mind the extended ass stories. I feel like I'm playing an anime sometimes. But what really breaks that feeling is when I have like 5-10 minutes of dialogue and then that stupid fade to black where they just HAVE A BLACK BACKGROUND WITH WHITE TEXT DESCRIBING WHAT THE CHARACTER(S) IS SEEING!!
And we have examples in game where they have done Show dont Tell so so effing well. Like how you mentioned the scene after Traveller leaves the encounter with Shogun and there's the visual and gameplay effect that shows the Traveller feeling disoriented (and even Paimon's dialogue aids in this as she shows genuine concern for Traveller). There was also a few scenes in the recent Archipelago with Kazuha's story/island that I also felt really told the story thru dialogue *and* gameplay. I feel like both these approaches become so underutilized nowadays for some reason.
But then in some of the Sumeru quests which to me arguably had some of the strongest actual lore backing with the whole Dharian/Khaenriah thing going on I feel like we could've had so many more Show don't Tell moments. There were so many moments where instead of it cutting to black and giving us text about the shared flashbacks of 500 yrs ago where they could've showed us in either a cutscene, some limited gameplay or even animated 2D scenes..
I feel like when they utilize Show don't Tell so so f*cking well but they just don't do it enough!
And he is so right with the events being related to the lore. Not only is this is an issue with Albedo and the Dragonspine event, but anyone who wasn't around for the really early game not only missed Scaramouche's intro but also that huge lore bit within that event intro about the "stars and skies" being a lie. Only reason I know about that is because of people like Ashikaii. I also feel like people who missed out on the original archipelago (which I thankfully started playing in time to enjoy) missed out on a signature weapon for Klee but also on a part of the lore for the next year's archipelago event. And it makes me wonder if they do another one this summer if newer players will find themselves lost or confused with the return of this beloved event since they never got to experience the time-gated stories of the past 2 years.
Everyone has been saying the same thing but the brain dead paimon supporters are so loud you don't even see other people's messages.
Necrit, the most wholesome and positive guy, proves that the cycle of normal genshin players are just went from *praising the game* to *"hating" the game* , lol.
Can't blame him, most event are locked by hours of pointless dialogues
I just hope we get massive updates for star rail because genshin is too much of a grind I don’t even want to pull for new characters at this point lol and been enjoying star rail
The only difference is that he is not hating the game, giving a couple of fair constructive criticism in a non toxic way isn't hating the game.
but he's not hating the game tho
Damn, didn't know critiquing a game meant hating it lol but you're also not wrong. Ask any long time destiny, wow, ff14, genshin, (live service game) player, and they'll say they hate it lmao. Mark my words, after 6 months, we'll be hearing the same shit from the HSR community
He got the whole Genshin experience at its finest.
Great openworld gameplay ✅
Interesting story ✅
Shitty dialogues ✅
Paimon stfu plz✅
Loud 12y judging every little choice you make ✅
Simp calling you out for not liking their waifu ✅
Very fun endgame but sadly only about dps check✅
Lucky pity, terrible pity✅
Now I hope he wont burn out just before Fontaine lol
Very fun endgame? Are you sure about that? More like no endgame at all.
@@CorvoA77ano What you call "no end game" is actually the abyss, its fun n gets more challenging every patch, its not because you finished it that it doesnt exist lol.
@@bighat8794 Ah yes the same 4 floor abyss with their massive stat stick enemies and shitty rewards. Having played a lot of mmorpgs over the year, I don't even consider it endgame because there's no real difficulty there. It's just a massive dps check, and it all depends on your artifact luck more than anything else.
@@CorvoA77ano I agree n understand that ogs see this as a joke but it doesnt change the fact that as bad as it is, the abyss is the endgame, you just finished your game and Hoyo doesnt care about those who went this far. It is what it is I guess
@@bighat8794 its endgame because its meant to be done at the end of the game, is the definition i think ur basing this on. But you would agree that "endgame" implies a significant amount of content, ye? Usually repeatable.
I played Genshin in late summer 2022 and, after a bit, was hit with the fear of missing out. Had to spend hours rushing my way through the game, trying to get to inazuma just to take part in an event. Went through the long list of pre-requisite main and side quests. The when Sumeru was released shortly after, I had to go through all of that again. Was extremely burnt out, didnt finish the Sumeru archon quest and quit the game. The pacing for a new player was painful
They added a feature that let's you play events even if you haven't done certain storylines,, but I do believe you at least have to have the nation unlocked, so there is still a bit of a wall for Inazuma.
@@jamesreese4170 I swear it was more fun when I broke into inazuma and did random quests day by day. Sure I was at AR35 for 4 months, but at least I was not burnt out. Then the fear of missing out settled in and I tried rushing through Inazuma. Worst decision ever. It was just long and anticlimatic. The only thing I enjoyed was fighting signora and raiden but cos I leveled up too much in the past 4 months, they were defeated after a minute :/
Same
It sucks that the pacing and dialogue bloat in genshin is so extreme, I've honestly been wanting to get back into it since I have so much to do after about a year of not really playing. Did the Sumeru archon quest which took literally days for me to get through and have not wanted to touch another quest since. HSR was amazing, I couldn't stop playing and still play every single day. Genshin if you want to get through the quests it literally feels like you're clocking in to a second shift at work every day. It's painful and it's so sad that such a fun game is ruined by chore after chore after chore. Like where tf are the combat quests in this stupid game? You get one boss fight at the end of an Archon quest typically and that's like... it. Then it's back to the mines.
Genshin is all about nighttime stories telling with little action sequences.
Action is not the main focusing in GI.
@@saimyintmyat9373 Did you not watch the video or listen to a single point made in it? And just rushed to the comments to defend GI? The action is hands down one of the best aspects of GI and it's what they focus on the least. That's the issue I (and many others) have with it.
Instead they make you run pointless errands for 4-5 hours at a time before you can even get to some of the worthwhile stories and even then they're packed with unnecessary dialogue and told in drawn out and mind numbing ways even if the story itself could be pretty good.
The point you seemed to miss was that the story telling is very dull and having something enjoyable to break it up like some action would make it more engaging and more fun. Also wtf is night time stories telling? Sounds like a stupid way of saying these quests are fucking boring and will put you to sleep.
@@jrocch29 imagine writing a huge long ass paragraph because of you don't understand of what I said.
@@saimyintmyat9373 I understand what you said, I just think you're an idiot. Because everyone knows Genshin doesn't focus on their combat and they focus on their story telling and somehow their story telling is still done in an awful way. That's what my comment and this entire video you clicked on is about.
I remember back in 2020 fighting the ruin hunters in that liyue quest where you go inside some mountain with my amber traveler razor and barbara it was hella tough and i was under leveled and under geared and yet i still beated it after that i audibly said "I love this game" that was the last time I've said that to the game. After seeing necrits candace dps it sorta reminded me of that moment after having countless of stacked teams for abyss making me set for the rest of this game's life none made me felt that type of joy as that moment because progressing in this story with it's combat just sucks out the joy if I can just complete it in mere seconds
Oh my god. You just reminded me of that quest. The way i had to strategize and actually put in effort to beat those enemies by separating them and hoping that amber aims right. It was amazing. If only genshin stayed like that
@Tori new players would cry about it 🤣
Don’t know about you guys but I’ve been playing Genshin for 1 year yet my characters are still trash builders and does not damage, can’t even finish a domain
@@ChoiReim thats just sad
Every time Tectone says that Inazuma's story is better than Sumeru's, I start to laugh my ass off, because once the hype passes you realize how bad and anticlimatic it is.
Sumeru sparked a bit of love i had for this game and i still think it's true now even if it was a grueling setup to take. Inazuma however i just remember the cool cutscenes lol
game as a whole is cliche and bland bud. Honkai star rail may not be the best story of all time but it has humour and charm with some references that fit the theme the game is going for. Genshin fails on every single layer of enjoyment possible except the porn and combat, and if you disagree you probably havent actually read a good book before.
@@blade7585 That's just like, your opinion man.
@@lavion8090 Also happens to be my opinion
Honestly, they were both bad. Yep. I said it. Genshin's stories are mid at best. They're not good. If you think they are, for God's sake start analyzing the media you consume instead of just mindlessly applauding like seals to flashy animations.
That deinslief quest had no paimon, but it also had very little deinslief. Which is almost a fair trade 😂
It's interesting that with no Paimon the world becomes really lonely and the Mc becomes very reflective of the world, like a traveler. In that sense Paimon is like the drug that keep you from going back to reality
Doubling down on it again. Tectone's hate for paimon is extremely relateable
Which sane person won't hate paimon?
I want to throw Paimon in a woodchipper
@@EnchantedSymphony999 fr, if I see a child cosplaying as paimon I would probably lose it and just beat the living shit out of that stupid kid, I'd gladly do life in prison.
@@EnchantedSymphony999 That's not enough. I want to launch her into the sun.
The Nahida loop archon quest was one of the best ones in genshin for me (and probably for many others too). It was so captivating.
I nearly quit cuz of that endless quest
Actually true and raiden going back to the past quest was also rlly good
@@Tmrx.Watches I thought my pc storage was fucked and somehow got my quest resetting
it was so boring
@@breesnutz don't play the game then, I also left. Game wasn't worth my time anymore
I think the ending of the Inazuma storyline broke my spirit and made it impossible for me to enjoy anything else in the game. Like, I was holding out hope despite how much the writing was bringing me down in every facet of the game. Then all that set up, all that potential just CRASHED AND BURNED.
I was done after that. I don't know if I can ever go back either.
@@shutup1037 Same. Quit after first Ayato banner release, came back during Sumeru release to do Chasm, and hoooooooooly fucc, the archon quest was a pain to get through. Then started Sumeru quest and just gave up on the game.
To begin with, I started playing Genshin cuz everyone I talked to was praising the story like it was one of a kind masterpiece. And for fucc's sake was I disappointed.
I love reading books, and just recently read the Cosmere series by the time I started Genshin. Holy shit the story was baaaaaaad. Good moments, but baaaaaad pacing.
The end of sumeru sucked because they made Scaramouche erase himself from everyone's memories. Instead of letting him redeem himself and fixing his relationship with his mother, they just made him up and erase himself to avoid all consequences that would've came to him. I'd be nice to see how the people of inazuma would react towards him and i'd be nice to see how his mother would react to seeing him. But now that will never happen bc hoyoverse thought it was a good idea for him to be forgotten.
@@flasherzoom7750 He can't redeem himself, he's already broken
@@MiyuKawasaki but he can tho.
@@flasherzoom7750 How
I just wish they add voices to side quests and take all of paimons dialogue remove the filler and exposition. Give 75% of what remains to the traveler so that they actually talk out loud and have a personality and add a Genshin version of simulated universe that's permanent and gets new content reworked into it from time to time.
Nah the side quests are all awful, with bad or no stories, extremely grindy sorush, djinn, enkanomiya, thunderbird island, chasm, a lot of the character story quests
Okay maybe the chasm wasn't that bad storywise but the verticality of it is a nightmare
There is a massive drop in quality in anything that's not a archon quest, jrpgs are supposed to be story driven
Take anime for an example you have anime like one piece , fairy tail ,bleach, naruto etc..where the characters travel to different places for different arcs but each arc there is some sort of compelling storyline characters to meet a group of villians up to no good and fight them, every area of genshin should have a storyline to drive exploration and gameplay
I quit Genshin because there are like 5 pre-requisite quests to do 1 quest only to find out each of those 5 quests have pre-requisites of their own. So annoying. Miss 3 years of content and it'll take you that long to spam through all those dialogue options just so you can ascend your Shenhe. Wtf were the devs thinking?
@@Ser--Based. Bet OP complains about no content too.
@@kylegreen6711 ?
@@LoneTurtle10I was agreeing with Dark Serphs who rightly pointed out that the story and quests are the content. That’s what the game is about.
@@kylegreen6711 Let me clarify for you. I never said there was no content. I got a character on a banner when I started playing and I can't even use her for weeks to months because her ascension materials are locked behind so many quests. It's annoying. I don't have 16 hrs a day like streamers or kids to do the story which I find incredibly boring. I'm not saying other people can't enjoy the story lol. I'm just saying it's bad game design to do things like that. People spend money getting characters and weapons and they can't even use them right away.
Genshin just isn't for me that's all i'm saying and why I quit...
You don't even need to remove the quests. These interactions can actually be fun. It's just they shouldn't be literal chores. Just cut them down a hecking lot.
The problem we're seeing here is that Hoyo wants to stretch out their content, but doesn't want to put in the work to make that stretch interesting.
yea. I wouldn't mind fighting more lore relevant bosses that are difficult. Anything beats delivering letters or just wandering around aimlessly within an objective circle to investigate an invisible stuff.
There's so much dialogue that i feel must be getting translated too directly or something because it could be condensed down so easily. Full of pointless lines of dialogue most of the time.
I agree on the dialogue part. Remember on GAA Mona and Fischl were on the same scenes, it was brutal. I left it on auto-play, did something else, when I returned, Fischl is still talking. IT WAS THE INTRO FOR THE EVENT BTW.
Oh you're constantly halted by useless dialogue options too. One that which you're choosing between.
A) A complete dialogue...
B) ...that's parted for no particular reason.
Recent memory is you have to choose this single dialogue option of Traveler that says "..."
Also Xiao shows up saying "!" and you have to consciously choose "!" too.
Don't get me started on Xavier on Inazuma. Whoever wrote him in, I hope he doesn't eat good food for 5 years.
I love Paimon, and Corina. But please let Traveler talk. I like it when they're vocalizing their thoughts in the Samsara.
Also, they already had an experience cutting out characters from main stories, look at Eula, she was never seen in Archon quests.
god the leaving it on auto play while you do something else is relatable lmaoo
How on earth can you love corina and paimon… corina compared a fan to their abusive ex just because the fan liked Childe. Corina doesn’t understand Childe’s character and completely shat on everyone correcting them and explaining Childes character. Corina also said paimon is non binary when she uses she her when she talks in third person… corina you read paimons lines you should know this… It just seems corina can’t separate themselves from the fictional character they voice, which makes hoyoverse look worse as a company. And they’re loud annoying but that’s subjective
@@EyelessAugust I don't really follow genshin drama but why is it the en va has lots of drama 😂
@@EyelessAugust I don't follow her life. I just think she does good voice acting.
"I agree on the dialogue part. Remember on GAA Mona and Fischl were on the same scenes, it was brutal. I left it on auto-play, did something else, when I returned, Fischl is still talking. IT WAS THE INTRO FOR THE EVENT BTW."
Subjectively.
You see the problem in the length of the dialog, and I see the problem in the fact that it is too short a dialog.
What annoys me to no end is the pacing of the main story. Like overall. We’re like, what? Halfway through the story region wise, and we’ve literally gotten SHIT ALL about celestia?? Like we’ve not had NOTHING- just name drops here and there? Like we’ve met the Fatui, we’ve me people literally from Khaenri'ah but no one from celestia?. I feel like they’re not gonna mention celestia when Fontaine comes around. Which I can see myself getting annoyed by.
Also why they don’t voice world quests that have important bits of information? Don’t know. Literally the last Pari one had a bit of hydro archon info but I didn’t know cuz I skipped the whole quests dialogue lol. Found out the info only through RUclips xD
In Sumeru Aether/Lumine were also starting to get fed up with all the bs you just mentioned. No one really wants to help them find their sibling or seems to care, everyone is really self-centered and always asks for help and can't seem to fix their own problems by themselves. I remember some dialogue options you could pick that showed how annoyed they were and didn't want to help anymore. Nahida is the only character that actually tried to help the sibling on their quest so far. For Honkai Star Rail (I think it was a tweet from a developer or something. I found this out by someone commenting about it on another video i checked out a while ago) It was confirmed Aether/Lumine crashed into the star rail express after they finished their journey on teyvat and in the express you can find a wind glider in the ship which they decided to leave there. This next thing I'm going to say is just a guess on my part is but (and this might be a bit of a stretch), why would they not care about the wind glider and decide to give it away? Why did they not want to keep it? and I think they did it because they actually hate teyvat for trapping them and forcing them to help solve all their problems... I mean how would you feel if that happened to you? No one asking you how if you are ok and try to help you find your sibling. Loosing your ability to freely travel to whatever world you wanted. So even though the wind glider was a gift and something they could keep to remember teyvat and the 'friends' they made there. I think they probably didn't want to keep the wind glider because of what they went through... and thats why they just gave it away so casually. They want to forget teyvat and i doubt they would go back there again. if they kept the wind glider it would be something that will always make them remember all the bs they had to go through, when all they wanted to do was reunite with their sibling and do what they have been doing for god knows how long. I will stop here, this is just something random i thought of and wanted to share somewhere
@@whitedragonzerureusu4480 omg i love this theory so much.thankyou for sharing. Honestly just want mc to snap at some npc that wants us to deliver letters and food even though delivery service is apparently CANON!!
The problem of pacing is relevant for beginners, but I didn't notice it. And here's why: playing, so to speak, "ongoing" - yes, I prepared fireworks for 4 hours - but then there was nothing in this patch! The battle with Raiden appeared in the game after 40 days! So, yes, I did a filler thing, but then I was did nothing for 39 days, but wasting resin and do temporary events. Thus, the presentation of the story pacing for me is perceived radically differently than for a new player now.
the only thing that will make me go back to genshin is if they add a skip dialogue button
Yeah, they need to make dialogues more meaningful or add the skip button. It's especially annoying during the events.
and then whine about what do i do? how do I do this shit? why do i die? wah!!!
He catched them with the catch. That was so funny
The Albedo Event Quests were peak Genshin. I don't know why they're so stingy with lore drops.
can you specify what kind of "lore drop" it did outside of being an echo chamber for albedo's backstory... twice
Albedo is one of my favorite chars. I get flack but he's awesome and his story is pretty cool.
Genshin is going to end up the best English class tool, because when your teacher tells you to read 30 minutes a day then you can get thru Genshin from first grade to getting your PHD and longer until the game is officially over 😭
Genshin is the embodiment of shonen anime. It gets good during archon quests but as soon as the story quest ends and filler events beggin it's like watching Bleach or Naruto filler arcs. Sometimes boring sometimes decent.
Bro repeating himself while Necrit creates new point, and he still repeats his 1st point for the 3rd time. Certified reactor moment.
Fr but I got to admit gi is shit
Bro I was watching Necrit several years back when I was still into league, and I'm not surprised Tectone liked necrit's content. Such an Awesome and well made video.
If Honkai Star Rail is following Honkai Impact 3rd steps in terms of story telling, there's a 90% chance that it will have A LOT of dialogue bloating. The part 1 final arc was absolutely painful to get through.
I stopped playing since the canyon things was going to come out
But I always thought that Paimon being emergency food was foreshadowing. That paimon was going to be MC's last piece of divinity and in the climactic battle the MC absorbs (eats) paimon to get a boost in power when things are going to shit.
"Inazuma quest is better than sumeru" i never heard such bull@#£ b4
what sucks is the problem is so fixable, just add a skip button. people can waste their time if they want.
When Teccy said "do you not have staff of homa?" I spit my drink haha. Loved the summon video for homa
I feel like the problem he had with Hu Tao is applicable to the majority of the cast... you only use a tiny portion of their already small kit and just repeat your optimal team rotations without paying a huge amount of attention to whatever the enemy is or what they're doing. There could be a bug that stops the normal attack animations working on over half the cast and i'm not even sure the majority of the playerbase would be any the wiser, myself included :P
For Genshin, I had to turn off my gamer mind a lot and actually made a conscious effort to not care about a lot of things that I usually do. Best decision and I will never regret it as I've had a lot of fun doing it. After a while and currently, the most I look at are stat, artifact, and weapon recommendations to not gimp myself into being so weak that it would destroy my enjoyment.
Well another problem is the timer, due to that it incentivisize you to not waste your time...
Yeah this reminds me of Honkai Impact and many of its events. Such interesting ideas buried in tsunamis of text. Walls of text are a struggle to climb but tsunamis of text just make you lose interest so much faster. Then there's the unskippable cutscenes......
But HI3 and GI still my top2 and top3 mobile games lol
The real endgame is realising that your time is better spent playing HSR or some other game.
Also the Gacha system is amazing in HSR the only difference being that you get way more wish fuel which makes the rollover system actually feel like it matters and that's not even mentioning how much better the weapons banner is (night and day).
After seeing Asmon's take I've been waiting on Tectone's reaction for this video.
The part where Tectone mashes the keyboard for the dialogue gives me relief! Just started playing the game for a month and most of the time I just skip the lines whenever it's available 😂
tbh in gneshin (when i actually played it a lot) i would just have the characters speak the firsts sentence or two at a time and skip the rest because thats really all you need
Bro I cannot tell you the pain that I had to experience when hopping on genshin mobile to do daily commissions and accidentally entering a "story quest" area and then having to skip dialogue for 10 minutes straight.
Yeah I stopped unlocking story quests with the keys now.
I got so excited when he said he was using Candice because I un ironically main her and she’s great her shield is absolutely cracked at blocking on top of her ult being amazing for burgeon teams
Inazuma Story the best Archon Quest story line? I mean it had cool moments, we facing Raiden Shogun, Kazuha activates second vision, Signoras death was nice but Sumeru Archon Quest was just a whole another level.
We breaking out of the Sabzeruz Festival Samsara, meeting Kusanali for the first time and saving Dunyazards life literally mindfucking a person to do our bidding and help us, facing Dottore for the first time, finding out the truth about forbidden knowledge and how Rukkhadevata and King Deshret were related to each other up to having a Ocean 13 episode to free Nahida out of her prison with 5head moves, tricking the Sages and the Grand Sage and afterwards saving Irminsul and beating the shit out of EVA Scaramouche and Nahida being a badass when face-to-face with The Doctor and massive lore revelations like skies are fake and that Traveller is a Descender.
Honestly, my favorite part in Lord of the Rings was the several hour montage of Frodo filling out Hobbiton fax forms. Also, i'm subscribing finally - your channel kept appearing in my recommended feed, and you've consistently had funny reactions and good content, and I don't want to miss it :)
I would say this is the case with most games. You either complete them or they start to become a bit stale. I played wow for almost my entire life, even competitively at one point. And there were very long moments when I questioned why I was even playing. My fondest moments are still from when I was new to the game.
First gacha syndrome.
7.30 everybody has forgotten that there was actually a boat you could escape from Ritou to go to all the corners of inazuma
i have not forgotten. I don't call that region " Hellzuma" for no reason. :D
Genshin's story would be 50% better if they killed Paimon and cut down the sidequest dialogue by 80%. The fluff is what really ruins things
Lmao xd.
You want to remove genshin impact from genshin impact? Oof
@@Dexsueko not players problem, game sucks
@@Dkas88 player sucks, not game problem
I think hoyo would rather make an entire new game than improve genshin 😂
Tectone chat really share the same brain cells XDDD
I really hope they don't cut Paimon out. I'm an optimist - I really hope that theories about Paimon being the last boss are true. I will still log in weekly for the next 30 years to do that boss, just to see her squirm. And it will be so pleasurable. And then I will tell my grandkids the story of Paimon. And they will do it for me. Gonna make it a family tradition.
Crazy how I don't agree with you on pretty much everything else, fighting in genshin is terrible, story is good (other than almost every quest adding to the pile of questions I have, solving none in the process), worst part is inazuma (ending sure is good, but how we got to that ending - it absolutely doesn't make any sense). To each their own I guess :D
Sucks that the one thing stopping me from playing Genshin again is simply not really feeling up to playing it. I'm definitely the type of person who's completely fine with the amount of dialogue, and doesn't care about Paimon, but it's simply too difficult to want to go through however much gameplay I need to do to level up characters and weapons and get to the quests
22:01 yup that was my issue for a while. Having a second team to clear the second half. Eula with national brute forced anything but that second half was bad
Yeah Genshin has that “powering up for 5 episodes vibe” except it’s the filler scenes of the character loafing around. Ngl that’s what burnt me out. I found myself watching other videos and shows during story quests…the disconnect after that.
The story and pacing of honkai is so good that even when i'm planning to skip dialogs of the side quests to get the gems, i end up sometimes actually reading it
i still remember the start of the aranara quest and those 4 kids and that rana NPC chatted for so long that my finger started hurting spamming the mouse
Idgaf about Genshin. However, I could very easily sit here and listen to this man shit talking the game and annoying people in the game’s community. I’m freakin subbing! 😂😂😂
god i got into meta from zajeff and i saw how interesting it could be, and how you dont event need to use the best of the best characters for team to be meta. But i saw so many people having only bad experience with just other players forcing some random meta characters into their teams and shiting all over them. Imagie if people would acknowledge that players just want to have fun in games.
Why Pom Pom is better than Paimon:
1. He has drip.
2. He wants to join because he wants to protect his passengers.
3. He made Welt shit bricks when Pom pom is pissed.
4. Pom pom is probably a dps preservation character is he was a playable.
5. Has beautiful eyes.
6. Was probably a creation of Akivili.
7. Voiced by Tectone
I really wanna know what Pom Pom did that made welt so scared lmao
@@crimsondemon6231 Welt is dying to get out of the train before Xianzhou Luofu
Now we know why ☠️☠️☠️
deadass his voice for PomPom sounds so canon I be doin it for him sometimes
Add to the note:
Everyone wants to hug Pom-pom. I wish there's a Pom-pom plushie 😂
I enjoyed yoimiyas quest and learning about her 😢 she’s my favorite character. I do agree that her quest shouldn’t of been in archon quest
bro crystalflies are very hard to get in mobile even with sayu since I get so lag that her passive does not proc
I’m sorry your getting that lag, I haven’t gotten it though and I’m mobile.
my phone is ass but i dont strugle that much with the crystalflies, guess im used to it
@@ezobel same, I have more than 4k of those
I feel like more than the main archon quests, the quest with Dainslef was the best. Good back story, tasks actually have to do with combat at every stage and has a satisfying big boss at the end. But if u level ur characters and artifacts too much, its not so satisfying anymore cos the abyss heralds and lectors can be thanos snapped.
I still haven't finished the aranara quest and it pains me to think about it, its like a chore that has to be done at some point.
He makes very good points about the game, and I still enjoy playing it, maybe bc I don't have much time and there's always something to do but to people with a lot of time to play of course it gets boring, instead of filling our time with dialogue or cards whatever they do about combat, teams, coop, min max of characters would be very cool
The funny part is on the latest big event i was watching youtube while i did it's story and i still managed to understand what happened based on the cutscene at the end and epilogue talk with the characters.
3.0 quests are just that bad. The quests are so cliche you can predict everything. Only thing left for my prediction to come true is burning the sumeru tree.
Fuck that dessert quest 💀….
Which one? Did you mean all of them? All of them are irrelevant.
Aranara is the best quest of all time in Genshin story
They should have put all the side characters and gave them their own story quest away from the main quest. It would add more character development and more game play and give people the option to do these or not.
Man, I missed when tectone used to play genshin everyday, he used to be upfront about everything, i was there anticipating for every video he put out, but I was also there when the time where the players and his viewers were toxic. People didnt really like his viewpoints and how he plays the game, it came to a point where I have seen him talk about dealing with depression and negativity. Up to a point where he stopped reviewing accounts and stopped playing genshin altogether. Really missed you man, can't wait to see you play genshin again.
Shit pacing permeates everything in Genshin Impact, from the dialogue (Paimon), to the story (filler), to the combat (a button-mashing slog without the stats, which is not something a whale or min-max artifact grinder would notice), to the exploration (the constant loading time when switching to an element that isn't in the party, but need to use to interact with something in the world, then switch back), to the pull income (anniversary, 'nuff said).
The combat isn't button-mashing sounds like you don't play proper teams, or you can't do proper rotations. Filler isn't an issue to me, the bloat, and uninteresting dialogue is, story in last event was pretty good, but world quests suck for like 90% of the time.
@@KraszuPolis All action games are button mashing, but not all action games are a button mashing slog.
Do you think Necrit actually enjoyed spending hours in Spiral Abyss with a shit team because he actually enjoyed the slog? Or is what he actually enjoyed is the payoff of flexing on his viewers and the revenue generated for streaming? If he wasn't a streamer, do you think he would want to do that every 2 weeks? Imagine if that was the team he had to use all the time outside of the Spiral Abyss.
@@KraszuPolis you’re just a mihoyo simp who eats everything they throw at you
U don't know true hell until u try to catch those butterflies on your phone before sayu came out.... Never again
I know it's crazy, but you can do the hangout quests as daily commission quest. Daily done. 1 Hangout quests/ending reward done. After finishing the character hangout then you get 60 primogems. Plus you get achievement primo if that ending unlocks one.
2:52 I've never agree so much in my life,. Exactly! "Get to the damn point! Why are u wasting my time??" Literally this when i play Genshin story, side quest or some event. It's painfully obvious the dev just throw a bunch of random, useless, stupid, unrelated, unnecessary dialogue just to make it 100 times longer to stall the players so they stay in game which is dumb af. ISTFG i want to go into their HQ and slap the person who make the dialogue (no joke). Is it so fking hard to ask for high quality short story instead of long ass boring story with useless dialogue???????
Facts were spit all over this video👏🏽
I am a hybrid abomination between Meta Slave and John-Lee Physical DPS Enjoyer.
I only get characters that are absolutely strong, but they also have to be fun to play.
My point being is that as a F2P, I need strong characters to guarantee myself Abyss revenue, but I also want to have fun playing the game so I don't kill myself out of boredom. It works out guys, just balance yourself. Don't be a boring Meta slave with no feelings, and nor should you be a dumass Casual cuck that builds characters for the wrong purpose.
Find your OWN way to be efficient and have fun while at it!
After the aranara quest i pretty much stopped doing quests unless i was forced to for an event/boss. That stuff is so bad its not even worth staying on for
paimon is super easy to improve. instead of having her explain everything on the spot there could be an option in the paimon menu to talk to paimon (like one might do in the tea pot) and in the dialog options you could have options to ask questions about what was just discuss. frankly I've sat through professor paimon's lectures and not remembered what i was supposed to do 5 min later. it would also help with quests in general. there could be an 'ask paimon' button on quest items that explained the objective better because some of these objectives are just like "got there (500m)" and i get there and it's like, find it and im like "what's it??"
I almost rage quit on Aranara questline: hours of filler text, hard to skip, Paimon repeating everything, and no voice lines.
PS> there is an Interlude chapter in Sumeru, where Paimon is absent... it was AWESOME without her.
The ararana story was the only quest I liked in the game, but paimon is a pain
same, dude i just wanna make my waifus strong, kill stuff and explore freely, but nooo EVERYTHING IS HIDE BEHIND A QUEST.
bruh i quit genshin after sumeru questline. Even though it was a kinda fun one but like... dialogue and fucking... paimon... just keeps going on and on.
I enjoyed that interlude chapter so much more than anything else in Genshin bc it didn't have Paimon's annoying voice repeating everything
ah yes finally. I don't get how anyone can put up with the aranara quest. Like fr I came back to genshin after more than 1 year expecting there to be something interesting (I played since 1.0 and quit before inazuma, fyi). And I was pretty satisfied until the aranara quest. Like wtf sumeru is riddled with an insane number of long independent series of quests each with an insane number of filler text. Maybe they introduced some new mechanics to explore sumeru, such as the wind lyre but then again once you leave the specific region that item can be thrown into the trash can. Like the whole sumeru beside the main quests was so much filler quests and unnecessary desert that I ended up quitting genshin again
I’ve played Genshin since Klee’s first banner and I’ve never missed a day. I stopped right before Al Haitham came out, and now I log in once every month or so to play the spiral abyss, coz that’s the only thing I find fun in the game.
There have been an upsettingly frequent number of quests which remind me of the quest in The Witcher 3: Blood and Wine DLC where you try to get your money out of a bank and they send you back and forth for forms that you need to get other forms to still not get your money
i think my mind completely erased yoimiyas quest and how mid it was cause all i can remember is the final firework scene
Paimon for the first hour: "Haha emergency food go brrr"
Paimon for the rest of the game: P A I N
Paimon had her moments but the biggest thing was that she ruined the immersion of the game
@@otherself7400 Yeah, I think I just would have preferred MC themselves talking.
And the only reason I can think that they decided to do this mascot approach is:
1. Merch
2. Only have to pay one VA
Paimon really like putting herself in so much of the dialogue, might as well call it Paimons adventure than the traveler's
@@FlamingNinjaBoi well traveler has lines and the male and female mc va get paid anyway sooo
@@theprocrastinator6813 paimon impact😅
One of the reasons I stopped playing Genshin was how they had such great build-up to the main story and then I had to stop to take a flying exam (?).
For the better
Can I have your account then?
@@wekang1650 ha ha
@@waifuno.1611 why laughing bro 😅. I dont know why these people who not playing anymore keep silent when I want to have their acc huhu 🥲
i think i can see teccy's point concerning inazuma and sumeru quests
me myself was so hyped for inazuma in general and i enjoyed it being the first region to be added after 1 year, in my opinion some of the cut scenes and environment of inazuma was better than sumeru but i feel like they went with a diffirent approach for sumeru; the quests are longer but they feel more alive with multiple characters interacting and a lot of lore... it just feels diffirent and i think it's the better decision from them to keep things fresh
I love seeing tectone's face light up every time someone is about to shit talk genshin
Even though I am also a F2P player waifu over meta player, I really hate when people shames Whales and meta players just because they are one, you don't need to prove you can clear spiral with shitty characters, you play for fun because you like this play style, meta players play meta because that's where they are having fun same as whales spending for their fav waifu
tldr; let people have fun
Not a whale but I beat spiral in (7 stars) 1-2 months since game's launch with limited characters kekw, chat is overreacting
also I love necrit but L take for Hu. Charge cancelling isn't her play style but it's what players do for min-maxing. That's not the intended play style.
From what i've seen, whales are more humble while F2P players are the complete opposite. Always thinking they are superior somehow and antagonizing other people and always make a big deal about things in a game (A goddamn, video game). I didn't care about F2P or whales but the F2P elitist attitude in genshin has put a sour taste in my mind about them. Money doesn't grow on trees and the people who choose to spend it in game worked hard to earn that money, so they shouldn't be judged for how they choose to use it. If thats what they find fun and it's not hurting anyone who gives a shit?
Minsleiff is my go to for Genshin lore :D
Just got a Genshin Impact ad and a Honkai Star Rail ad when I started up this video. Don't think I've ever had that combo before
the grind to get a character from 70-80 is most definitely a new kind of pain in grinding.
as for that 5 star weapon...favor the one you DON'T want, just like him I got the other one TWICE in 200 rolls(wishes)
Honestly, i do agree with nearly everything he said.
- Black screens should be considered Crime against Story telling.
- You can skip 80% of dialog and still understand everything.
- Aranara quest was Hideous. Did they really hoped me to read all that Alien language? C mon
- Most Main story quests suffer from pacing.
- Character Stories are SUPER Boring. You have lawyer, Tax officer, Dude who talks with rocks, Alchemy, Yae started good, later you find out you got on Writing competition or whatever, Eula has tragic story, but your quest is how to learn to dance.
- Story based on characters always gonna end up like this, where they HAVE to shoehorn in some 5 star characters into the story. Honkai impact did it better since it's character based on story, not story based on characters.
My Personal issues:
- Combat is NOT that great when you think about it. All it does, it's focusing to much on elemental reactions. Which means, as long as you have certain elements, you see big numbers. I WANT FLASHY ULTIMATES. God coming down from the sky, Raiden raiding a dragon or some sh*t. When Raiden Shogun Boss came out, i thought "YES, finally we'll get a character which ACTUALLY FEELS LIKE 5 STAR" nah, all you get is tazer on a fishing stick. Crazily enough, That would be totally in Honkai impact 3rd, and it's like 5 year old, and they have Raiden Mei which rides a Dragon. Honkai Star rail have that, Why Genshin can't? On the same note, Ults with animations sucks. It's cool first 5 times, then... That's why Rosalya is one of the best characters in the game.
Nearly none of the characters FEELS like 5 star. Newest character? Awful he does absolutely nothing.
- Abyss is a dogsh*t I dont see how people can have fun with that. EVERYTHING is made just to waste your time. Is it hard? NO. Is there incentive to achieve best team for that fight? NO. Since you have to go through same 2 chambers again to to get to 3rd for whatever reason. WHY? It's baffling how that never got reworked. While Honkai impact Abyss got reworked like 10 times. And it is, more fun.
- Why limit Serenita pot building? WHY? Let people go crazy at it, let them build whatever they want ffs
+ What this game does VERY WELL is Exploration. That's the main reason i still play it. And sometimes comes out character i like design of. i have 30k gems as a f2p still waiting for next character i'll like. I just like run around, get some farming, visit a pot or something. I did delete this game like 10 times already. Still returning for whatever reason
@Aj the simulated universe keeps me coming back now that I've basically done the rest. They did real good with that game mode. And it seems like ittl get expanded even more as we go
@@aj7515 yes, that's whay i do. I do pull just for characters i really like. Despite their damage numbers. Honkai Star rail daily content is like 5 minutes.
I have stuff I hate about Genshin and like you I've deleted it many many times but it's because I want Albedo that I'm still playing Genshin lol
@@chockitkat3776 honestly, Albedo is probably most useless 5 star in the game. I like his design, but his E gets removed by nearly everyone in Abyss, and Every boss in the world. Yee, placement is important, but that's more annoying then an Byss itself. Making Albedo usefull only for small mobs. His story was a snorefest too. But hey, if you like him, go for it. I don't play with "Meta" characters too.
about the gameplay there's something that i don't like in this game, because so far there's only the traveler that has an performance update on it's character (different element) while the other character stay same as you first met, so if the character is shit they stay shit, there's no alternate version like in other game, to add it worse there's almost no buff nor skill fixing on this game except zhongli lol
Tbh it's not really that problematic IF the character itself never appear again in the story, but in fact they're still relevant and marketed until now, what the point of game as service if the character itself never get an update? and why barbara and fischl still looks like that when canonically we already 3 years in teyvat, did they even get older?
and another thing is skin, for the company that has the best revenue out of mobile game, releasing 4 skins a year is horrendous (i'm not consider censorship as skin) , i don't think lack of resources and time is an excuse anymore
It seems like getting good relics/artifacts in HSR is better
I guess I am just used to it from FFXIV but I still wish the major side quests in Sumeru and Inazuma had voice acting. And cutting down on the fluff dialogue would be nice too.
How to play genshin side quests
*Furiously hitting right click and spacebar to skip dialogue as quickly as possible.*