I have a feeling than Mediterranean or any crossed draw with a heavily canted bow would feel very intuitive. You could hold the bow horizontally and pull it back to your armpits with no danger of accidentally hittinf yourself
Wouldn't the Mediterranean draw with an overdraw device be extremely dangerous? The string twists on release as it rolls off of your fingers causing the arrow to angle away from the bow and it might cause the short arrow to jump out of the track and possibly into your hand. You have to press the arrow into the Tong-ah/Majra with your index finger by using the thumb draw or Slavic draw.
Man knows what he is doing. Everything in life is about technique. Or as my grandma used to say: "there is a right way to do anything." She meant do it her way😂
Something I've always thought about it is if it's possible to shoot a tongah from the shelf on a recurve using a Mediterranean draw from the left side drawing with the right hand? Do you think it's possible? Would you try such thing?
It might be dangerous using a short arrow with the Mediterranean draw with an overdraw device because if it jumps out of the track it might go into your arm 😬. The Slavic draw and thumb draw hold the arrow into the track of the Tong-ah/Majra with the index finger and reduces the chance that it would come off incorrectly.
You could improve safety with a majra-like tube with only a narrow slit. Take a PVC pipe and cut a slit down its length. The slit is too narrow for the arrow tip to escape. You follow the arrow with a wire bent into a rough bunch on one end, and twisted around the bow string on the other end. The rough bunch pushes the arrow forward.
Wouldn't accelerating the mass of the wire and friction from dragging the wire take energy away from propelling the arrow? If you've seen Joergsprave's repeating bows, they work with just the bowstring pushing the arrow.
@@StoneSlinger0oo0 Yes, there are some minor losses, but the mass of the bent wire is small compared to the mass of the arrow, and even the mass of the bow string. It's worth it for the fact that you only need one slit rather than two slits on opposite sides of a channel. With two slits, the channel is split into two halves that must be very stiff, with a lot of precision to keep them matched. With a single slit, you just cut down the length of a PVC pipe, and the PVC pipe does not need to be unusually stiff.
Another possibility, instead of bending the end of the wire into a rough bunch, is to bend the end of the wire into a small circle. This fits over the tail of the arrow, which is sharpened to a point (like the front tip). The process of point sharpening could be sped up with a pencil sharpener, so it's not such a big deal to sharpen both ends of the arrow.
I have a confession. I'm a prior GOON; SOF, so I have an obscene firearm collection back home, and not overly interested in Bows. I'm a prior SERE instructor so I do have a minor interest in them, but archery isn't something I've really cared much for. That being said, I'm an obvious Westerner, living in Tokyo; work xfer, who foolishly married a mainlander. Being that she's your typical Chinese narcissist she demands I become completely engrossed, and conform to her culture. Shes adamant I learn, read, study about Chinese culture and content online, and I will often binge watch your content, to make her think I'm learning about Mongolian archery, lol... *" Ohhh Toe'mis you really like the Mongolian archery YT, this makes me har'ppy."* If she knew what this channel really was, or that you were a Westerner as well she'd be so gd triggered. So, as strange as this is, thank you for saving me from tedious hours of Hanzi, Chinese parables and philosophy, or literature on *High Conctext Cultures.* Or whatever ridiculous thing my wife demands I learn to appease her family for the day. I'm unsure of your ethnicity, but I suspect you're an American/Canadian born Chinese because wife can instantly sense what region of the world an Asian is from, and she nods at your videos in agreement. Had it been something related to JP or Korean content, being she's your typical xenophobe, and would have stuck me with whatever was in arms reach. Seriously, don't marry a mainlander....
You should try and callab with skallgrim, you're both in Canada and it might get you further into the historic weapon community. He may be interested in your warbows or testing the ballistics of them
It's so funny that these bows even exist, we forget that bows are made out of WOOD that grow from trees and are far more useful than these abominations
Wooden bows made by hand will not compact like these do. I have not this but the SAS scout and it's literally became the only bow I even shoot. It's compact enough to travel with of even hike with and I'd use it for hunting even with access to other more modern options due to the sheer fact that mine is set up with a large hook bolted into the sighting mounts that just latches onto my belt when folded up(this one comes apart and thus goes into a fabric case which has a cutout for the hook) or on my shirt collar when not using. They can be left strung indefinitely unlike some even modern bows. So yes, if I didn't have one of these. I'd make one from the wood in the woods but these are better, can last a lifetime without much care, and save a huge amount of time and effort in any survival situation. Situations in wich mind you, time might be limited. If I don't have to make a bow first thing when I get hungry, I can get a whole lot of more important things done. All I'm really sacrificing is a bit of carry weight and travel distance with these which save me more time in the long run(by merit of convenience and ease of carry) plus I shoot bows like this in my daily life so I'd actually not want a more modern bow(or need one) plus these bows seem to be easier on equipment. (200-210 fps seems like a lot but any well made wooden bow will also get you that-easy of transition if they do get broken- and the slower speed means less broken,damaged,lost arrows in my experience)
Lol, I rolled the dice and waited a few months to get that exact bow from China. It work as a shit-bow I keep in my trunk. I waited a few more months to get 60lbs limbs. Has a terrible vibration on the bow hand, but serves its purpose of lasting forever as a back up survival bow. Now recommended for comfort shooting.
@HistoricalArchery its in the cardboard tube like yours, so heat wasp is slightly minimized? I've tested it annually, and it still maintains the strength, both limbs: 30 and 60 both stored together.
@HistoricalArchery One of the main reasons I bit the bullet to buy it from China was because another gentlemen made a video where he tested this bow after keeping it strung for a year. It's longevity and durability sold me. Oddly enough, this bow also got my friend into archery. I had a large group, and the last bow to spare was the survival. He loved archery so much, he got his own bow (compound).
@@dingdong4156have it with you, like that collapsible bow. If you don't have any, i would recommend throwing sticks, way easier and can still knockdown a small animal. Or making traps if you know any. Building bows or crossbows is not ideal in a survival situation, it takes too much time and work/energy you dont have in such a situation.
Your tips for a beginner who wants to get into traditional archery? I really want the Despot by MR Bows, but unsure on draw weight. I am quite strong (I've been weight training for years), but this is to be used for fun target practice (not hunting). Any tips on the Despot specs for my case? And where do you source your arrows/quiver? Would you use three-finger draw and not buy a thumb ring? And what other accessories would I need? Arm guard?
You said to engineer this - to engeneer it so you can safely shoot bolts from a bow? Maybe like a fixed attachment which does that. Possibly with a magazine which holds several bolts.. Sounds like something that was invented by Joerg Sprave. He made such a repeating bow, and called it the instant legolas. Then also made a smaller version which shoots bolts instead of arrows, called it the instant legolini, and theres a 3d print version out, its slingbow tho. And theres also the Adderini and Baraba, another two compact 3d printed repeating bolt shooters. One can easily hunt with any of those. Just buy a number of cheap hunting broadheads, and they can fit into a backpack with such a small bolt shooter. Sprave even invented a super compact bolt shooter that is a size of a handgun, still holds several bolts inside, it is cocked by pulling, he called it the 1911 slingbow, theres 3d print model for that available as well.
Nice work! I love that tong-ah you built! Have you ever tried an arrow guide that keeps the arrow tips captive in the tube? I agree, having a tong-ah is like having the ability to effectively shoot bolts in a bow. Also, what draw weight is your favorite right now?
I find the best way to do that is to narrow the tube but it is more risky, id rather have a wider tube in case. And broadheads would make it hard to do so as well. Might start wearing hand armor for more shooting. These days it fluctuates but I like a good old 50lb for general fun
@@HistoricalWeapons I've been seeing some interesting hand armor for slingshot fishing darts with steel plates. That might a way to go. It might also be interesting to make a Siper-like device that connects with the tong-ah to provide protection to the wrist and back of the hand. What's your favorite weight and draw length for 100#+ bows?
@BackyardBowyer yes these are all plausible, and I can see why this is not that commonly described since crossbows do the same thing just safer. I’ve found using blunt sticks the most responsible way of shooting these for fun. That being said back then if people are shooting at you, you probably don’t care about getting you hand shot if it’s the only ammo you had
i feel like the shortened arrow in a tube thing is like how slingshot shooters use slingshot darts where there is a risk of shooting the hand where the bow/slingshot is. also having that tube reminds me of using the instant legolas invention to fire shorter bolts out of a conventional bow
Наука
![A Day To Remember: Feedback [OFFICIAL VIDEO]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/iXVnysmQ4e0/mqdefault.jpg)
1:11 That arrow looked too cool
wet arrow
Do it again!!!! @@HistoricalWeapons
Yeah even that improvised ammo would kill a squirrel or bird. Great job sir.
He made it without a knife too
@busurbusur2381 yes he did.
Your content is oddly soothing for me. Great to watch before going to sleep. As always, thank you for sharing your passion with us! ❤
I like how you make the ammo with a rock
Super interesting, thanks
Glad you enjoyed it
The mandatory DO NOT ATTEMPT
Dude why did you post this so late in December. This would make a great Christmas present.
Very good video, I really like this technique, but I would be afraid that it will shot through my hand.
Same here, hence I said if your actually starving (in the context of post apocalyptic)
great video , bro's ready for the apocalypse
I have a feeling than Mediterranean or any crossed draw with a heavily canted bow would feel very intuitive. You could hold the bow horizontally and pull it back to your armpits with no danger of accidentally hittinf yourself
Agreed
You cannot do med draw with Majra
Wouldn't the Mediterranean draw with an overdraw device be extremely dangerous? The string twists on release as it rolls off of your fingers causing the arrow to angle away from the bow and it might cause the short arrow to jump out of the track and possibly into your hand. You have to press the arrow into the Tong-ah/Majra with your index finger by using the thumb draw or Slavic draw.
@@StoneSlinger0oo0 mechanically, it is no different than a crossbow..So unlikely to be dangerous
@@MarcRitzMDexcept your hand is holding it. Could armor it
bro how are you so smooth with the arrow shooting in the beggining
Man knows what he is doing.
Everything in life is about technique.
Or as my grandma used to say: "there is a right way to do anything."
She meant do it her way😂
Are those four fletched arrows? I want to hear about those.
The carbon yea
Bro was willing to potentially sacrifice his thumb to show us this, and even without fletching. Respect
Congrats on 130 k
Something I've always thought about it is if it's possible to shoot a tongah from the shelf on a recurve using a Mediterranean draw from the left side drawing with the right hand? Do you think it's possible? Would you try such thing?
He just did Slavic.
@@nerhaci2074 Slavic and Mediterranean are completely different draw styles...... Especially the side of the bow you shoot from
It might be dangerous using a short arrow with the Mediterranean draw with an overdraw device because if it jumps out of the track it might go into your arm 😬. The Slavic draw and thumb draw hold the arrow into the track of the Tong-ah/Majra with the index finger and reduces the chance that it would come off incorrectly.
Do you have any recommendations for a fiberglass asiatic bow? I'd like something rugged to bang around and practice with
lol you looking for a rock
Armin Hirmer has some reviews of non-wood Asiatic-type bows.
You could improve safety with a majra-like tube with only a narrow slit. Take a PVC pipe and cut a slit down its length. The slit is too narrow for the arrow tip to escape.
You follow the arrow with a wire bent into a rough bunch on one end, and twisted around the bow string on the other end. The rough bunch pushes the arrow forward.
I tried but it requires very precision cuts. If your worries about safety you can wear plate armor on your hand and arm
Wouldn't accelerating the mass of the wire and friction from dragging the wire take energy away from propelling the arrow? If you've seen Joergsprave's repeating bows, they work with just the bowstring pushing the arrow.
@@StoneSlinger0oo0 Yes, there are some minor losses, but the mass of the bent wire is small compared to the mass of the arrow, and even the mass of the bow string.
It's worth it for the fact that you only need one slit rather than two slits on opposite sides of a channel. With two slits, the channel is split into two halves that must be very stiff, with a lot of precision to keep them matched.
With a single slit, you just cut down the length of a PVC pipe, and the PVC pipe does not need to be unusually stiff.
Another possibility, instead of bending the end of the wire into a rough bunch, is to bend the end of the wire into a small circle. This fits over the tail of the arrow, which is sharpened to a point (like the front tip).
The process of point sharpening could be sped up with a pencil sharpener, so it's not such a big deal to sharpen both ends of the arrow.
That is such a great find also i truly love the format of your videos, they are straight to the point and super informative.
I have a confession. I'm a prior GOON; SOF, so I have an obscene firearm collection back home, and not overly interested in Bows. I'm a prior SERE instructor so I do have a minor interest in them, but archery isn't something I've really cared much for. That being said, I'm an obvious Westerner, living in Tokyo; work xfer, who foolishly married a mainlander. Being that she's your typical Chinese narcissist she demands I become completely engrossed, and conform to her culture. Shes adamant I learn, read, study about Chinese culture and content online, and I will often binge watch your content, to make her think I'm learning about Mongolian archery, lol... *" Ohhh Toe'mis you really like the Mongolian archery YT, this makes me har'ppy."* If she knew what this channel really was, or that you were a Westerner as well she'd be so gd triggered. So, as strange as this is, thank you for saving me from tedious hours of Hanzi, Chinese parables and philosophy, or literature on *High Conctext Cultures.* Or whatever ridiculous thing my wife demands I learn to appease her family for the day. I'm unsure of your ethnicity, but I suspect you're an American/Canadian born Chinese because wife can instantly sense what region of the world an Asian is from, and she nods at your videos in agreement. Had it been something related to JP or Korean content, being she's your typical xenophobe, and would have stuck me with whatever was in arms reach.
Seriously, don't marry a mainlander....
Where are you filming? Misty pine forest are so pretty
hes in bc
malahat bc
@@HistoricalWeapons reservation?
Well, she is really noisy. Probably could get it quieter with some moleskin and string silencers.
It stopped rattling after the nut was tightened
@@AnkunFang I thought it sounded quieter toward the end of the video.
Bow from www.huntingdoor.com
You should try and callab with skallgrim, you're both in Canada and it might get you further into the historic weapon community. He may be interested in your warbows or testing the ballistics of them
Awesome video
Have u tried
@@phawang37 I have not unfortunately haha.
It's so funny that these bows even exist, we forget that bows are made out of WOOD that grow from trees and are far more useful than these abominations
This bow is more suitable for using with a arrow tube since the holes can be used as additional grips so you never get hit with the bolts
Wooden bows made by hand will not compact like these do. I have not this but the SAS scout and it's literally became the only bow I even shoot. It's compact enough to travel with of even hike with and I'd use it for hunting even with access to other more modern options due to the sheer fact that mine is set up with a large hook bolted into the sighting mounts that just latches onto my belt when folded up(this one comes apart and thus goes into a fabric case which has a cutout for the hook) or on my shirt collar when not using. They can be left strung indefinitely unlike some even modern bows. So yes, if I didn't have one of these. I'd make one from the wood in the woods but these are better, can last a lifetime without much care, and save a huge amount of time and effort in any survival situation. Situations in wich mind you, time might be limited. If I don't have to make a bow first thing when I get hungry, I can get a whole lot of more important things done. All I'm really sacrificing is a bit of carry weight and travel distance with these which save me more time in the long run(by merit of convenience and ease of carry) plus I shoot bows like this in my daily life so I'd actually not want a more modern bow(or need one) plus these bows seem to be easier on equipment. (200-210 fps seems like a lot but any well made wooden bow will also get you that-easy of transition if they do get broken- and the slower speed means less broken,damaged,lost arrows in my experience)
@@bh24x holy shit dude I am not reading your essay.
Lol, I rolled the dice and waited a few months to get that exact bow from China. It work as a shit-bow I keep in my trunk. I waited a few more months to get 60lbs limbs. Has a terrible vibration on the bow hand, but serves its purpose of lasting forever as a back up survival bow. Now recommended for comfort shooting.
Yeah for a trunk bow I see no problem for what this is designed for. You will appreciate it when you need it. The laminated limbs will warp in heat
@HistoricalArchery its in the cardboard tube like yours, so heat wasp is slightly minimized? I've tested it annually, and it still maintains the strength, both limbs: 30 and 60 both stored together.
@@MrOrigami it’s pure Fiberglass limbs and metal riser so I don’t think heat affects it in context of trunk
@HistoricalArchery One of the main reasons I bit the bullet to buy it from China was because another gentlemen made a video where he tested this bow after keeping it strung for a year. It's longevity and durability sold me. Oddly enough, this bow also got my friend into archery. I had a large group, and the last bow to spare was the survival. He loved archery so much, he got his own bow (compound).
Those short arrows/sticks would work well with pistol crossbows i assume, without risking your hand.
How you gonna make a pistol crossbow in the bush without tools
@@dingdong4156have it with you, like that collapsible bow. If you don't have any, i would recommend throwing sticks, way easier and can still knockdown a small animal. Or making traps if you know any. Building bows or crossbows is not ideal in a survival situation, it takes too much time and work/energy you dont have in such a situation.
@@Scout887throwing stick gets launched around 50 fps while a bolt like this is 230 fps so reaction time is less
Your tips for a beginner who wants to get into traditional archery? I really want the Despot by MR Bows, but unsure on draw weight. I am quite strong (I've been weight training for years), but this is to be used for fun target practice (not hunting).
Any tips on the Despot specs for my case?
And where do you source your arrows/quiver?
Would you use three-finger draw and not buy a thumb ring?
And what other accessories would I need? Arm guard?
What’s MR
Much safer and not much harder to convert that bow into a crossbow.
Can be done as well
You said to engineer this - to engeneer it so you can safely shoot bolts from a bow? Maybe like a fixed attachment which does that. Possibly with a magazine which holds several bolts.. Sounds like something that was invented by Joerg Sprave. He made such a repeating bow, and called it the instant legolas. Then also made a smaller version which shoots bolts instead of arrows, called it the instant legolini, and theres a 3d print version out, its slingbow tho. And theres also the Adderini and Baraba, another two compact 3d printed repeating bolt shooters. One can easily hunt with any of those. Just buy a number of cheap hunting broadheads, and they can fit into a backpack with such a small bolt shooter. Sprave even invented a super compact bolt shooter that is a size of a handgun, still holds several bolts inside, it is cocked by pulling, he called it the 1911 slingbow, theres 3d print model for that available as well.
Just use crossbow
Joerg Sprave also invented repeating crossbow with lever action cocking, but the repeating bow actually shoots faster.
Nice work! I love that tong-ah you built! Have you ever tried an arrow guide that keeps the arrow tips captive in the tube?
I agree, having a tong-ah is like having the ability to effectively shoot bolts in a bow.
Also, what draw weight is your favorite right now?
I find the best way to do that is to narrow the tube but it is more risky, id rather have a wider tube in case. And broadheads would make it hard to do so as well. Might start wearing hand armor for more shooting. These days it fluctuates but I like a good old 50lb for general fun
@@HistoricalWeapons I've been seeing some interesting hand armor for slingshot fishing darts with steel plates. That might a way to go.
It might also be interesting to make a Siper-like device that connects with the tong-ah to provide protection to the wrist and back of the hand.
What's your favorite weight and draw length for 100#+ bows?
@BackyardBowyer yes these are all plausible, and I can see why this is not that commonly described since crossbows do the same thing just safer. I’ve found using blunt sticks the most responsible way of shooting these for fun. That being said back then if people are shooting at you, you probably don’t care about getting you hand shot if it’s the only ammo you had
Id say for heavy bows 140@32 mongol style is my favourite but med draw
You should do a video on where you get your bows
It sticked!! 😂
Fun video! And I like the new channel name 👍👍
Great work
Where the hell do I get decent somewhat reasonably priced arrows for 100lb plus bows?!
Yes! It works😮
0:28 foldable bows seems so cursed
Why looks tactixal
Before minute 2:11 the bow was noisy, and after that it was silent. Did you do something to it?
I tightened the lock nut of the folding mechanism
@@HistoricalWeapons so it is silent... I might buy one... looks interesting :) Thank you for the reply
i feel like the shortened arrow in a tube thing is like how slingshot shooters use slingshot darts where there is a risk of shooting the hand where the bow/slingshot is. also having that tube reminds me of using the instant legolas invention to fire shorter bolts out of a conventional bow
It was invented long ago in Persia 1800 years ago
Very good 👍
1:30 Famine will skinny you down. But the main problem is vitamins and minerals. And the psychological effect of being hungry
[2:30] "Feels weird"
Well it looks like it would feel weird. And it sounds weird.
cuz i shoot historical bows most my life instead of this metal stuff
I prefer knitting needles
❤😊
How much is it
On the website 119$ so far
❤
🗿👍
🎉🎉
I think I want to try this with hand protection made of an old hand saw blade
Wear plate armor or duct tape a bloc of wood
👍
The mandatory do not attempt to
Why folding
Why not just make a spear
Good luck hunting a squirrel
You can throw a spear for 30 fps but a crossbow 210fps
why not just make normal arrows?
Without any tools? Good luck.
You need reed or sugar cane or bamboo and even then it takes a long time and good luck finding it
@@eid8fkebe7f27ejdjdjduyhsvqhwu2make them out of rocks
Why not use a gun 😂
U can make these with rocks
You are gonna shoot your hand one day. I never use that.
He said, only do that when your starving. He also wrote do not attempt just for safety sake
This type of bow has holes where you can hold 8 inches below the shelf so your very safe relatively speaking
Ask the Koreans
😂
Yea
Try Nockless
Not good for hunting with all that rattling sound
It was because a nut for the locking mechanism was not tightened. After I tightened it, it stopped rattling
Not historical
So
❤
❤