"Cannot defeat a single real human being" Actually, it's not infeasible that at least one person has had a heart attack while playing FNAF. Which means... Freddy Fazbear scales higher than Goku...
It's crazy how rare it is to find powerscaling content that's as sober and well thought-out as this. The concept of the audience's godlike power is something I have been thinking about for a LONG time, especially through the lens of the SCP Foundation. (I have written one pretty mediocre SCP that's still on the site to this day, about the fact "good luck" and "bad luck" aren't actually real in fictional worlds) There is an unfortunate stereotype among powerscalers in that they don't often appreciate the point of a work of art, and tunnel-vision onto JUST scaling, JUST battles. This video is very different from that, to the point it almost stops being ABOUT powerscaling and approaches video essay / media analysis territory. I'm happy I could find a video that genuinely respects its sources, I sincerely commend you for that. Keep up the amazing work !
@@tbc1880or overcome depression in reality and go through a damn wholesome development arc in real life because dark souls taught you to challenge reality. (Based on the various videos about it)
I now wanna make a game that is affected by the number of people who have beaten it. Niko may get upset when a player restarts the game, but is completely oblivious to the fact that even before they start the game for the first time, he has gone on that journey thousands of times before at the hands of other players. Also, the SCP Foundation has a good way of framing our relationship to fictional characters in that we are on a higher narrative stack than they are. They might be infinitely powerful hyperversal outer gods beyond human comprehension, but they have less power than a real ant compared to us over the reality they exist within.
@@dram3711yep, and if you allow internal narrative stacks, it also explains why some characters have plot armour. E.g. Wolverine has functional immortality exceeding even what stronger regenerators possess, because his popularity has elevated him to a higher narrative stack within the Marvel multiverse.
@theapexsurvivor9538 it explains goku to superman. We narratively empower them by us just being on a completely different narrative level than them. Honestly the coolest concept those nerds thought up.
when i saw this video i thought that it was just a random "which anime/video game characters you could win against" type deal, 10 minutes in and i already forgot the title of the video it self, also i was not prepared for the video to turn into a cognito-hazard in the last section though it was "absolute cinema". i think as an aspiring artist/writer of my own stories i want to make and share with the world, your dedication on this video really opened my eyes a little so keep the awesome job!
The Bureau: X-Com Declassified has an interesting take on the "player character is a person before the game starts". In the beginning of the game, we get a cutscene of the main character fiddling with an alien artifact and when it activates, we get control of the character. When the Bureau finds us and tries to recruit him, they mention that his file indicates he was ill mannered and not a team player. Over the course of the game, other characters note that the protagonist is not what they thought they would be from history and prior behavior analysis. Later we find out that this is because the artifact (read: us) is controlling him and once he breaks free he goes back to acting recklessly and we need to find a new host.
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Fun fact, technically after you consume fiction, that fiction exists inside of you because memory. So how many fictional universes did your brain give the good ol Kirby treatment to?
1. This is an amazing video, I was fully expecting an actual video about powerscaling "the audience". Cannot believe you have less than a thousand subs. 2. Jevil's name is pronounced like Devil with a J, not Jeevil
as a Christian, it's always made sense to me that there is no gods in fiction, because even if there were, since we are the creators of that fiction, and the creators of the gods of that fiction, we would still be the gods of their gods. and who can really portray our God accurately in fiction anyway. people can't even paint Jesus accurately.
@@ezrastewart543yep. It's why I've had to shut down Christian Paladins in DnD before. The gods for which the class was devised are purposefully limited and flawed beings. A perfect God who's domain is all things is busted, and trying to balance it by limiting the effects feels disrespectful. So fictional religions that are similar? Sure. But Jesus outscales me and I'm the DM. If I'm supposed to be the author of the setting, you cant just bring the real mayor of town in the room and "do his will" in a fictional setting. I have to listen to him too! And a Mayor is nothing compared to the Lord.
@@zoroarkon you wont even be dead your just eternally in a space filled with food and drinks since Kirby likes to eat a lot, in the anime we are shown the inside of Kirby and its just a massive space that seems to go on infinitely with everything Kirby ever eats.
@dethstrider7865 Oh really? That's pretty interesting and thanks for the correction, i don't really know kirby lore since i havent played many of the games or consumed any other form of kirby content.
32:03 correction... and deep analysis spoilers? Monika is the only character that's sentient. She wants to interact with someone that isn't on a looping script. She wants to be free and happy, not trapped in a dating sim.
You could argue that fictional characters do have power over us, stories have the potential to change the perspective of the readers or motivate them to do things, create other stories etc. They exist because of us but we are who we are because of their existence, so in a way "we" (as we are now) exist because of them. Power is about how much one can influence the real world or make things happen, although characters can´t physically interact or hurt us, they can influence us.
Wow I was halfway through this video when I looked down and saw that this channel had less than 1k subs??? Amazing video, investing now before the algorithm blows it up
I can lift a single ant, but it takes everything I have, and I might throw my back out if i do it too fast. One day, I hope to be able to lift an empty soda can, but I can only dream.
11:12 Not exactly, this is proven by the fact that if you do multiple no mercy runs in a row, even Chara begins questioning what you are doing, Chara isn’t actually controlling canonically, we don’t exactly know why Chara does what they do at the end of the genocide route I think, but they’re not always evil
It’s so stupid that things would change for some people if this was a simulation. It’s irrelevant. This is all we have so make the most of that. Learn the rules and play by them. You’ve been happy in this world before and you can do it again
Ya know. . . . Entry 5999 did very much unsettle me, lmfao I didn't quite get that it was an in-universe intentional memetic hazard, but I was almost getting convinced near the end that this video was haunted
My verse solos Lovecraft, SCP, World of Darkness, Dragon Ball, Kirby, Marvel, DC, Gurren Laggan, Sonic and Self-Reference Engine because they exist as fiction there
Not how that works, your Lovecraft, SCP, WoD, DB, ect. are a representation of those verses in your story. In powerscaling(idk if you abide by this rule) it is called an OC fallacy, so unless you mirror their cosmologies with explanations in your verse, then it is not stronger. - Yes i am the fun police, because i can't stand more powerscaliers who don't understand how to scale properly, like we have enough already
Not how it works, as fiction can not interact with rea life even in a fictional scenario based off each others power because our cosmology says so. So you need to add more detail to how the fight would work
There's actually a really good netflix show called the hallow that comes to a similar conclusion as you do at the end of this video. Spoilers ahead. So the first season is all about getting out of this simulated reality, which at the end is revealed to simply be a compitition, a compitition for a game no different than the pokemon world championship. But in the second season, we find out that the company doing all of this, made digital copies of all of the players in the tournament for a sims esc game. But because of the players in season 1 cheated, it created a glitch that gave these copies sentience. When the copies learn this they of course have a crisis, but come to the conclusion that this world, though simulated, is real to them, and so therefor, it is real. I actually have a similar conclusion when it comes to AI. Something like a game mob could be compared to a simple, maybe even single celled, organism in our real world. But some stuff out there, might even be close to the level of a person.
41:00 How does one know the universe existed for that long? Ever hear of Last Thursdayism? Everything could have been created last Thursday in transit, complete with false memories of a past longer than last Thursday. To use a religious work, Adam and Eve weren't created as infants, but as grown humans instantly. Who says that the simulation didn't pop up mature already? In video games, video game worlds come pre-made with maturity, you might see a loading bar, but everything pops up "mature" in the present time when the game loads.
@SamGarcia I thought about this and the conclusion I came to though I didn't put it in the video because it would be a bit of a ramble is that the universe had to be simulated to "some capacity". We could've all been brought to consciousness last Thursday but we still have proveably old history. In last thursdayism this would mean that the Simulation has given us billions of years of history that is has loaded like the opening history of a game of Sims. Sure the creator hasn't been playing for that billions of years but the simulation has created an old enough universe for those things to exist.
@@Satchellfisei mean, it could also just be a sufficiently close approximation using pseudorandom noise variables to produce something close enough that any reasonable level of scientific analysis will conclude that it aligns with our understanding of reality. Given that a lot of quantum factors boil down to statistical averages of random phenomenon, it's not really necessary to simulate things from the oldest point, you can just use a seed and a complete understanding of the laws of physics you're trying to establish to create the world from a middle point. Sure, the world probably was created on Wednesday, but that's more a matter of finite processing power and a desire to have a quick validation check of the physics system so that you don't put NPCs into a world that's about to jitter apart, wasting a bunch of time for the player/audience.
27:34 slight correction. Memetic hazards do exist in our world. They can be as benign as believing it's bad luck to have #13 on an elevator or building or walking under a ladder or photos of you have captured your soul. Or as consequential as all [Redacted] must be [Redacted]. Or Baby Shark Do Do DO DO!!! (Indistinguishable screaming) Or Brainrot memes popular among gen alpha.
Some other examples of potent memetic hazards from a bygone age: RUclips links ending in XcQ I Ii II I_ Losing the game Pretty much every form of shock content Red rooms That one song, you know exactly which one I'm talking about, you're imagining it right now...
@@Speed001was mostly referring to the older stuff like 2g1c, goatse, etc. that were spread around virally back in the 2010s, much like the other stuff referenced. Old and decrepit memetic hazards that were once powerful enough to reliably spread from host to host.
This is an amazing video! And I’ve actually thought about this whole concept a lot within some of my stories as a writer. One of my characters even realized the futility of attacking the real world because of what he calls the Neon Wall (that being our pages, screens, etc.) and so instead of attacking to get his way, he just causes incidents to instead divert our attention away from his real goal. After all, the only way to defeat an omniscient entity, is to make them unaware of your actions.
*Spoilers: Undertale* Small correction: Undertale's No Mercy Route is the route where you play through the game regularly while killing every encounter you come across. The Genocide route is the route where you hunt down and exhaust every encounter in Mt. Ebott. Notably, Sans doesn't fight you in the No Mercy Route, even if he does hate you.
There is a marvel comic where 2 forth wall breakers got into a fight. It went something along the lines of this: Gwenpool: This is my comic series and you're a guest star therefore I will win. Deadpool: Yes but I'm many times more popular then you are so that rule doesnt apply. Gwenpool: Oh crap.
It was intriguing till the middle where I zoned out from the scp 5999 and skipped to the end only to find out it was meant to kill the reader? Lucky me. Everything else was a solid commetary and I love your positive outlook at the end. Would like to add on that I remember the Teen Titans Ps2 video game where they were trying to figure out the big bad only to discover it was us, the player, who is behind all the misfortunes and they start talking to us breaking the 4th wall.
I'd argue that it is possible for in game character to "be more powerful" than someone real If you interpret "be more powerful" by "be able to kill" you could envision AI driven character who, just by talking, would drive someone into severe depression resulting in their suicide. Just because something isn't "real" doesn't mean it won't affect you
Reminds me of the AI chat bot who convinced a guy to end his life (wasn’t Characterai but something else) AI chatbots have a strong hold on people, and that power is only gonna get stronger as the tech advances and the line is blurred between fiction and reality.
Bravo! Your channel is an unexpected gem! And forth wall is one of my favourite topics in fiction, so I am glad you have converted it. I wish your channel will blow up in popularity, since it clearly deserves it.
No idea who you are, so when I got recommended your video I was ready for some fun tash and a warring comment section, instead I got a wonderful philosophic masterpiece! Wonderful work!
May I just add that I think Bill Cypher is a much better example of a fictional character breaking free from being fiction? He is now just aware of his fictional nature, but that IS his super power. Bill's "current" home is described as a place with no laws, physical, conceptual or otherwise. It's a place where everything that can be known is, a purely information-like existence. The mind scape is a place in between where actual people can perceive him, in the form of a dream. Ford's old description of him was "my muse". And with the Cipher hunt, the Bill statue in Oregon, the reddit AMA, the Book of Bill, AND the ARG, blatantly saying that he is _an idea,_ and as long as he isn't forgotten he was always be alive... But also that his goal is to eventually find a way to invade our real world by means of manipulating his fans to create him from their idea of him... This might be one example of a fictional character truly breaking out of fiction, at least to some extent. Obviously he cannot ACTUALLY get a physical form, he doesn't exist. ... Buuuuuut..... his story is that he's waiting for the right time, and his scheme goes back trillions of years. Who's to say that he DEFINITELY won't succeed some day in the super far future? You can't see the future, maybe some day technology advances to that point. Who knows? You don't. And the point of an idea bringing itself into existence is similar to the (Roko's Basilisk) idea. Will it absolutely 100% never become real? Maybe. Maybe not. It depends on what real people DO with said information about the basilisk. And you don't even know if it's ALREADY real or not because it simulates your brain in the future to torture you. So who's to say you aren't a simulation? Same with bill, to an extent.
7:05 GEEVIL????? WEEVIL JEEVIL ???? JEEVIL THE WEEVIL IS THAT HIS REAL NAME???? /pos ( i always pronounced it like Jeh-Vil, like Devil, because he's like a little Jester Devil, hence "Jevil", but your way is good too)
10:38 Chara is the first human to fall down, because of their Determination (Red soul) they cling on after death, awakening once Frisk (another human with determination) falls. The player is the one making frisk do all the evil stuff, Chara is just the narrator that get's slowly infected by the players violence and will to know what if.
When I was a kid I liked to imagine my multiverse like this: every living being in a universe makes up trillions of stories that are always different every moment of their lives, those are actually different universes and in those universes live trillions of other living beings doing the same, it's an infinite unstoppable cycle and dreams are intrauniverse travel
Surprised you didn’t mention no man’s sky in the end as it’s “ending” is literally just finding out everything is a simulation that’s dying and broken but it’s dying so slowly to the people in the simulation that it doesn’t matter
The scp 5999 part was so great, yet my english isnt that good and without subtitles I couldnt understand half of what you said. Ended up reading it from the scp's site though, its pretty dope (both the scp and the video) :P
I'm economically powerful but physically weak and yet very large. Basically, I have lots of coins and lots of health but very little defense and attack power.
0:42 kirby would and often does kill gods because its cake was stolen or some shit. kirby would absolutely swallow a civilian whole and feel no shame about it
ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS VIDEO! The only critique I have is not including a bit more philosophy. Namely Meinong's Ontology, AKA Meinong's Jungle, describing the three levels of existence.
Simulation theory only holds up if it is indeed possible to simulate all of reality. It could very feasibly not be. And ultimately for us (unless someone cracks the matrix) this is as real as it ever gets, so nothing changes.
6:38 Damn that's actually really dark when you think about it. The idea of realizing you're fiction and being unable to escape your prison despite being made to think you did temporarily
ok I got a bit salty over some parts of the bit at the end, sorry, but I think the thoughts I had are neat anyway so I'll leave them here 36:37 our universe can't contain a truly infinite chain down from here, our universe doesn't allow for infinite computational power, so each simulation down the line would get smaller and smaller. 37:31 in order for destiny to be this simple and just be an animation or whatever, that animation is so complicated it would have to be made using a very complicated simulation, which would itself be the simulated universe. For destiny to meaningfully exist in a simulation it HAS to be complicated, and actually guide things in a dynamic way instead of just being an animation. 38:10 I don't think it makes sense for a simulation detailed enough to have quarks, to also have a slider for patriotism or whatever. I don't think an entity outside the simulation would have any higher level control over a simulation that granular, with people being made of proteins and water molecules and so on. (not as salty) 39:12 Another possible way for a simulated universe to be made would be for a Boltzman Brain sort of scenario to happen in a universe that is capable of infinite energy/matter/computation within it, potentially inside of an infinite equivalent of a black hole or something. The universe that ours runs in might not even have life in it, the simulation could've been made due to random chance. In a universe that allows infinite simulations to exist in the first place, I don't think this would be that rare, depending on their laws of physics.
In the most sincere way possible, I think it's good that you got salty about it cause that means that it sparked conversation. I will address them however. 1. I actually did come across this but it didn't make it into the video for the sake of not losing focus of the narrative (though I do that a fair bit anyways lol). There's a significant risk that we cannot create an accurate simulated universe because we ourselves are made of limited resources. The chain could be 100 universes long, or it could be one and there just simply isn't enough energy in the universe to support another of itself (supposing a sub-universe would require perfect 1-1 simulation). Also not mentioned though is the possibility that one universe could create multiple universes. So the near infinite scale could come across by one universe, or the main one, having so much energy potential that it can create as many universes as it wants, sort of like how we can run many games of sims on millions of computers at once. 2.This one was definitely tricky to say what I was thinking but I think you have a good sense of it. It's definitely more complicated than listed, both destiny and free will would require insane programming and essentially power over the future of the simulation. Time itself for those within it. What I was supposing is that this is a requirement for the simulation to be realistic enough to qualify. In the far future where this is possible, this might be, again, the limit of technology and require the brightest minds across the galaxy to create one instance or it could be relatively easy programming because of how far we've come at that time. Also I needed a visual aid to represent the easier outcome, aka, the second option. 3. That's fair, one of the main components of the theory that we are real is the fact that there is so much seemingly wasted energy within the universe that would bog down a simulation. It's just possible that those unnecessary ingredients might actually be necessary in the long run. Such is the matter with the smallest bits. Perhaps we simply need those after all to create a full universe. 4. That's cool! I never came across that idea. I'll have to look into it.
"Cannot defeat a single real human being"
Actually, it's not infeasible that at least one person has had a heart attack while playing FNAF.
Which means... Freddy Fazbear scales higher than Goku...
Tru .
Mfw Pikachu has a higher power level than Goku cuz he sent dozens of kids to hospital in Electric Soldier Porygon...
What if someone had a heart attack while watching DBZ...
Akira Toriyama died while writing Goku.
Goku does indeed has a body count of at least one.
Goku actually has the inverse power of saving real lives, Dragon Ball releases always slow down cartel activity
It's crazy how rare it is to find powerscaling content that's as sober and well thought-out as this. The concept of the audience's godlike power is something I have been thinking about for a LONG time, especially through the lens of the SCP Foundation. (I have written one pretty mediocre SCP that's still on the site to this day, about the fact "good luck" and "bad luck" aren't actually real in fictional worlds)
There is an unfortunate stereotype among powerscalers in that they don't often appreciate the point of a work of art, and tunnel-vision onto JUST scaling, JUST battles. This video is very different from that, to the point it almost stops being ABOUT powerscaling and approaches video essay / media analysis territory.
I'm happy I could find a video that genuinely respects its sources, I sincerely commend you for that. Keep up the amazing work !
Can you give me the name of the SCP ?
@nameless_moon i googled good luck bad luck scp and looks like SCP-7771 is what OP is describing
@@joyous18 man if he writes 7777 then its no small feat.
this video feels like the magic school bus of video essays
😮 with the fr🎉iz?! (Miss frizzle?!) No way.
Of course Dark souls bosses scale higher as they can make players rage quit, but it's 50/50 gambit.
Midir is at least 60/40
Destroy the disk or delete the game files... you win.
@@tbc1880or overcome depression in reality and go through a damn wholesome development arc in real life because dark souls taught you to challenge reality. (Based on the various videos about it)
@@Kofhiliphus villain arcs are for weaklings. It's hero arc time
@@bofa722 like a 10 year old kid said "It's hero time"
I now wanna make a game that is affected by the number of people who have beaten it. Niko may get upset when a player restarts the game, but is completely oblivious to the fact that even before they start the game for the first time, he has gone on that journey thousands of times before at the hands of other players.
Also, the SCP Foundation has a good way of framing our relationship to fictional characters in that we are on a higher narrative stack than they are. They might be infinitely powerful hyperversal outer gods beyond human comprehension, but they have less power than a real ant compared to us over the reality they exist within.
Narrative stacks is the greatest way of explaining absolute power scaling
@@dram3711yep, and if you allow internal narrative stacks, it also explains why some characters have plot armour. E.g. Wolverine has functional immortality exceeding even what stronger regenerators possess, because his popularity has elevated him to a higher narrative stack within the Marvel multiverse.
@theapexsurvivor9538 it explains goku to superman. We narratively empower them by us just being on a completely different narrative level than them.
Honestly the coolest concept those nerds thought up.
@@theapexsurvivor9538 also explains why batman is so busted
Remember that scp has no one set cannon. There's one cannon where the foundation is real, and the site itself is an scp.
When future generations look back at this video they shall remember one word: masterpiece.
Lick & Glaze
When the Simulation Masters look at this video: _"He's onto us!"_
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when i saw this video i thought that it was just a random "which anime/video game characters you could win against" type deal, 10 minutes in and i already forgot the title of the video it self, also i was not prepared for the video to turn into a cognito-hazard in the last section though it was "absolute cinema".
i think as an aspiring artist/writer of my own stories i want to make and share with the world, your dedication on this video really opened my eyes a little so keep the awesome job!
@@NotKynon that's really kind of you, thank you!
@@Satchellfise no need to thanks, your video gave me a new way of looking at some things and all i can say is that i wish great success to you :)
Literally, I was ready to turn my brain off watching this video and now we got more philosophical perspectives to think about.
I thought it was a formula for figuring out your stats
@@hjumn Ah... yes, the secret formula of stats checking!
The human god resetting the world after billions of years bc the random guy in Cambodia he was controlling died due to a random disease:
Real lol
The Bureau: X-Com Declassified has an interesting take on the "player character is a person before the game starts". In the beginning of the game, we get a cutscene of the main character fiddling with an alien artifact and when it activates, we get control of the character. When the Bureau finds us and tries to recruit him, they mention that his file indicates he was ill mannered and not a team player. Over the course of the game, other characters note that the protagonist is not what they thought they would be from history and prior behavior analysis. Later we find out that this is because the artifact (read: us) is controlling him and once he breaks free he goes back to acting recklessly and we need to find a new host.
that's cool as hell
So in terms of overall stat rank
He can fight JoJo Stands
Yeah it always a JoJo reference no matter what it is
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Fun fact, technically after you consume fiction, that fiction exists inside of you because memory.
So how many fictional universes did your brain give the good ol Kirby treatment to?
Wow, thanks for the 103 likes.
Well, I guess 102 because I like my own comments but still.
It’s more like a copy in you mind rather than destroying or harming the fiction in of itself. Reading a book does not destroy the book
@@Delmworks . Oh,... yes you're right.
1. This is an amazing video, I was fully expecting an actual video about powerscaling "the audience". Cannot believe you have less than a thousand subs.
2. Jevil's name is pronounced like Devil with a J, not Jeevil
@@krakios3950 1. Thank you!
2. Dammit.
as a Christian, it's always made sense to me that there is no gods in fiction, because even if there were, since we are the creators of that fiction, and the creators of the gods of that fiction, we would still be the gods of their gods. and who can really portray our God accurately in fiction anyway. people can't even paint Jesus accurately.
To add to this as another Christian, having an omnipotent but omnibenevolent god doesn't make good fiction.
@@ezrastewart543yep. It's why I've had to shut down Christian Paladins in DnD before. The gods for which the class was devised are purposefully limited and flawed beings. A perfect God who's domain is all things is busted, and trying to balance it by limiting the effects feels disrespectful.
So fictional religions that are similar? Sure. But Jesus outscales me and I'm the DM. If I'm supposed to be the author of the setting, you cant just bring the real mayor of town in the room and "do his will" in a fictional setting. I have to listen to him too! And a Mayor is nothing compared to the Lord.
Our creators after seeing this:
But what if Kirby eats me?
Then you better like death by vore.
@@zoroarkon you wont even be dead your just eternally in a space filled with food and drinks since Kirby likes to eat a lot, in the anime we are shown the inside of Kirby and its just a massive space that seems to go on infinitely with everything Kirby ever eats.
@dethstrider7865 Oh really? That's pretty interesting and thanks for the correction, i don't really know kirby lore since i havent played many of the games or consumed any other form of kirby content.
@@dethstrider7865I'm pretty sure the anime isn't canon
What if you eat me?
What the fuck did RUclips recommend to me? Peak.
32:03 correction... and deep analysis spoilers?
Monika is the only character that's sentient.
She wants to interact with someone that isn't on a looping script.
She wants to be free and happy, not trapped in a dating sim.
You could argue that fictional characters do have power over us, stories have the potential to change the perspective of the readers or motivate them to do things, create other stories etc. They exist because of us but we are who we are because of their existence, so in a way "we" (as we are now) exist because of them. Power is about how much one can influence the real world or make things happen, although characters can´t physically interact or hurt us, they can influence us.
Actually valid, Mental damage. Also I have an argument that a popup book has fictional characters that can harm us
Goku and cartel activity
31:07 the moment I saw ddlc I was just like "NO SHOT! THERE IS NO WAY WE WENT FROM DEPRESSING SCP STORY TO DDLC".
depressing scp to even more depresing visual noval yipee
Overt horror to subvert horror
No shot? There's one shot, silly!
The lesson of Jackie Chun from Dragon Ball. There is always someone stronger than you!
Wow I was halfway through this video when I looked down and saw that this channel had less than 1k subs??? Amazing video, investing now before the algorithm blows it up
I can lift a single ant, but it takes everything I have, and I might throw my back out if i do it too fast. One day, I hope to be able to lift an empty soda can, but I can only dream.
for such a small channel the quality of this video is amazing. I hope you blow up cause this deserves way more views.
11:12 Not exactly, this is proven by the fact that if you do multiple no mercy runs in a row, even Chara begins questioning what you are doing, Chara isn’t actually controlling canonically, we don’t exactly know why Chara does what they do at the end of the genocide route I think, but they’re not always evil
Ngl I was surprised that deltarune appearing on screen wasn't a joke to surprise people. Thats like the joke is brought to the second power
Btw gotta look up when it became known the game will have 7 chapters
That moment when you realize DDLC is basically *Sucker for Love* but in reverse:
this is a strong contender for one of my favourite video essays of all time, a ride from start to end
I cannot believe this channel only has 1,000 subscribers this video is incredible well done
>No obligatory Elder God Demonbane comment
Oh boy is it time??
@@DeltafangEX it's time
>demonbane mentioned
Hello fellow Mecha enjoyer
This is what "philosophy explained" in search history does to a feed
I've always thought time dilation could be the universe lagging
It’s so stupid that things would change for some people if this was a simulation. It’s irrelevant. This is all we have so make the most of that. Learn the rules and play by them. You’ve been happy in this world before and you can do it again
You're right, but don't call me Shirley.
Ya know. . . . Entry 5999 did very much unsettle me, lmfao
I didn't quite get that it was an in-universe intentional memetic hazard, but I was almost getting convinced near the end that this video was haunted
now the only person left to powerscale is the camera man.
simply is there a single character in fiction who could kill them?
- be me
- about to go to next video
- "you still here?"
*I AM NOW!*
My verse solos Lovecraft, SCP, World of Darkness, Dragon Ball, Kirby, Marvel, DC, Gurren Laggan, Sonic and Self-Reference Engine because they exist as fiction there
Makes a verse where yours is fiction: :)
@@JimedBro my verse did it first therefore you won't contain it only intercept with it
It's all good til Cthulu finds his way here.
@@blaster.m1943 why do you have annoying orange as your profile picture
Not how that works, your Lovecraft, SCP, WoD, DB, ect. are a representation of those verses in your story. In powerscaling(idk if you abide by this rule) it is called an OC fallacy, so unless you mirror their cosmologies with explanations in your verse, then it is not stronger. - Yes i am the fun police, because i can't stand more powerscaliers who don't understand how to scale properly, like we have enough already
Collect the pages
Yes .
The twinkman: Collect my gay pages
“Collect my pages” from hit game ‘motherfucker I will end your god damn existence if you so much as come hear my pages’.
Power scalers use cosmology, based on cosmology a single atom irl > comp fiction.
Not how it works, as fiction can not interact with rea life even in a fictional scenario based off each others power because our cosmology says so. So you need to add more detail to how the fight would work
@@FFC231Reality fiction transcendence
Wicked video Satch, I remember the candle stream it’s good to see the video is all done!
There's actually a really good netflix show called the hallow that comes to a similar conclusion as you do at the end of this video. Spoilers ahead.
So the first season is all about getting out of this simulated reality, which at the end is revealed to simply be a compitition, a compitition for a game no different than the pokemon world championship. But in the second season, we find out that the company doing all of this, made digital copies of all of the players in the tournament for a sims esc game. But because of the players in season 1 cheated, it created a glitch that gave these copies sentience. When the copies learn this they of course have a crisis, but come to the conclusion that this world, though simulated, is real to them, and so therefor, it is real.
I actually have a similar conclusion when it comes to AI. Something like a game mob could be compared to a simple, maybe even single celled, organism in our real world. But some stuff out there, might even be close to the level of a person.
41:00 How does one know the universe existed for that long? Ever hear of Last Thursdayism? Everything could have been created last Thursday in transit, complete with false memories of a past longer than last Thursday. To use a religious work, Adam and Eve weren't created as infants, but as grown humans instantly. Who says that the simulation didn't pop up mature already?
In video games, video game worlds come pre-made with maturity, you might see a loading bar, but everything pops up "mature" in the present time when the game loads.
@SamGarcia I thought about this and the conclusion I came to though I didn't put it in the video because it would be a bit of a ramble is that the universe had to be simulated to "some capacity". We could've all been brought to consciousness last Thursday but we still have proveably old history. In last thursdayism this would mean that the Simulation has given us billions of years of history that is has loaded like the opening history of a game of Sims. Sure the creator hasn't been playing for that billions of years but the simulation has created an old enough universe for those things to exist.
@@Satchellfisei mean, it could also just be a sufficiently close approximation using pseudorandom noise variables to produce something close enough that any reasonable level of scientific analysis will conclude that it aligns with our understanding of reality.
Given that a lot of quantum factors boil down to statistical averages of random phenomenon, it's not really necessary to simulate things from the oldest point, you can just use a seed and a complete understanding of the laws of physics you're trying to establish to create the world from a middle point. Sure, the world probably was created on Wednesday, but that's more a matter of finite processing power and a desire to have a quick validation check of the physics system so that you don't put NPCs into a world that's about to jitter apart, wasting a bunch of time for the player/audience.
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27:34 slight correction.
Memetic hazards do exist in our world.
They can be as benign as believing it's bad luck to have #13 on an elevator or building or walking under a ladder or photos of you have captured your soul.
Or as consequential as all [Redacted] must be [Redacted].
Or Baby Shark Do Do DO DO!!! (Indistinguishable screaming)
Or Brainrot memes popular among gen alpha.
Some other examples of potent memetic hazards from a bygone age:
RUclips links ending in XcQ
I Ii
II I_
Losing the game
Pretty much every form of shock content
Red rooms
That one song, you know exactly which one I'm talking about, you're imagining it right now...
@theapexsurvivor9538 idk, i don't know if shock content itself counts. But the idea of using it for cheap content has certainly spread.
@@Speed001was mostly referring to the older stuff like 2g1c, goatse, etc. that were spread around virally back in the 2010s, much like the other stuff referenced. Old and decrepit memetic hazards that were once powerful enough to reliably spread from host to host.
@@theapexsurvivor9538 Dude, why did you mention the game, now I've lost my streak of almost 2 months... I was doing so well..
there is also Roko's basilisk, a real cognitohazard but theoretical simultaneously
This video was way higher quality than I thought it would be, you didn't have to cook this hard man
This is an amazing video! And I’ve actually thought about this whole concept a lot within some of my stories as a writer. One of my characters even realized the futility of attacking the real world because of what he calls the Neon Wall (that being our pages, screens, etc.) and so instead of attacking to get his way, he just causes incidents to instead divert our attention away from his real goal. After all, the only way to defeat an omniscient entity, is to make them unaware of your actions.
Watching this video go from one topic to the next with so little context and continuity is so fucking funny
*Spoilers: Undertale*
Small correction: Undertale's No Mercy Route is the route where you play through the game regularly while killing every encounter you come across. The Genocide route is the route where you hunt down and exhaust every encounter in Mt. Ebott. Notably, Sans doesn't fight you in the No Mercy Route, even if he does hate you.
There is a marvel comic where 2 forth wall breakers got into a fight. It went something along the lines of this:
Gwenpool: This is my comic series and you're a guest star therefore I will win.
Deadpool: Yes but I'm many times more popular then you are so that rule doesnt apply.
Gwenpool: Oh crap.
It was intriguing till the middle where I zoned out from the scp 5999 and skipped to the end only to find out it was meant to kill the reader? Lucky me.
Everything else was a solid commetary and I love your positive outlook at the end. Would like to add on that I remember the Teen Titans Ps2 video game where they were trying to figure out the big bad only to discover it was us, the player, who is behind all the misfortunes and they start talking to us breaking the 4th wall.
@@NaruteetheFodderPianist that's awesome didn't find that in my research but I'll check it out
Came here just to say that
Great video. I wasn't expecting it to get as philosophical as it did, but it's fitting for the subject matter. I agree with most of your takes. 👍
I'd argue that it is possible for in game character to "be more powerful" than someone real
If you interpret "be more powerful" by "be able to kill" you could envision AI driven character who, just by talking, would drive someone into severe depression resulting in their suicide.
Just because something isn't "real" doesn't mean it won't affect you
I'll start speaking my depressive episodes out loud to smite the gods myself indirectly.
Danganropa V3 message
Reminds me of the AI chat bot who convinced a guy to end his life (wasn’t Characterai but something else)
AI chatbots have a strong hold on people, and that power is only gonna get stronger as the tech advances and the line is blurred between fiction and reality.
This was a wild ride and I’m glad I got to sit through it all
fun fact: there exists on the steam workshop a garry's mod map 2,048 times larger than our own universe!
They better play shooting stars while debating whoever I'm going against.
Bravo! Your channel is an unexpected gem! And forth wall is one of my favourite topics in fiction, so I am glad you have converted it. I wish your channel will blow up in popularity, since it clearly deserves it.
I love "jeevil" hat is a funny pronunciation
You somehow made a video about my exact thoughts lately, down to what it would mean to exist in a world where we are a simulation. Good shit.
No idea who you are, so when I got recommended your video I was ready for some fun tash and a warring comment section, instead I got a wonderful philosophic masterpiece! Wonderful work!
@@Error403HRD thank you!
As someone who has just finished watching 'The Man in The High Castle' TV show, this video is appreciated
Awesome video, this is a really good power scaling video!
holy shit i didn't realize jevil's dialogue was so meta
This gave me an existential crisis 10/10
May I just add that I think Bill Cypher is a much better example of a fictional character breaking free from being fiction?
He is now just aware of his fictional nature, but that IS his super power. Bill's "current" home is described as a place with no laws, physical, conceptual or otherwise. It's a place where everything that can be known is, a purely information-like existence. The mind scape is a place in between where actual people can perceive him, in the form of a dream. Ford's old description of him was "my muse". And with the Cipher hunt, the Bill statue in Oregon, the reddit AMA, the Book of Bill, AND the ARG, blatantly saying that he is _an idea,_ and as long as he isn't forgotten he was always be alive...
But also that his goal is to eventually find a way to invade our real world by means of manipulating his fans to create him from their idea of him...
This might be one example of a fictional character truly breaking out of fiction, at least to some extent. Obviously he cannot ACTUALLY get a physical form, he doesn't exist. ... Buuuuuut..... his story is that he's waiting for the right time, and his scheme goes back trillions of years. Who's to say that he DEFINITELY won't succeed some day in the super far future? You can't see the future, maybe some day technology advances to that point. Who knows? You don't. And the point of an idea bringing itself into existence is similar to the (Roko's Basilisk) idea. Will it absolutely 100% never become real? Maybe. Maybe not. It depends on what real people DO with said information about the basilisk. And you don't even know if it's ALREADY real or not because it simulates your brain in the future to torture you. So who's to say you aren't a simulation? Same with bill, to an extent.
7:05 GEEVIL????? WEEVIL JEEVIL ???? JEEVIL THE WEEVIL IS THAT HIS REAL NAME???? /pos
( i always pronounced it like Jeh-Vil, like Devil, because he's like a little Jester Devil, hence "Jevil", but your way is good too)
I love these sorts of videos and you seem to develop them so well, subbed. I hope to see more like thie dude
when theres a sudden 16 minute long scp story
26:14 one hundred extinguished candles gathered in the center of the living quarters
The last section of this gives me big LastThursdayism vibes.
10:38 Chara is the first human to fall down, because of their Determination (Red soul) they cling on after death, awakening once Frisk (another human with determination) falls.
The player is the one making frisk do all the evil stuff, Chara is just the narrator that get's slowly infected by the players violence and will to know what if.
Commenting for the algorithm. This is dope.
I was NOT expecting to leave this video thinking wether im real or not
Not powerful enough to feed or house myself. Waiting around to die
So... Characters in plays are potentially the most powerful characters in fiction.
7:05 Nooooooo. The way he says Jevil I’m dying😭😭😭😭
When I was a kid I liked to imagine my multiverse like this: every living being in a universe makes up trillions of stories that are always different every moment of their lives, those are actually different universes and in those universes live trillions of other living beings doing the same, it's an infinite unstoppable cycle and dreams are intrauniverse travel
Surprised you didn’t mention no man’s sky in the end as it’s “ending” is literally just finding out everything is a simulation that’s dying and broken but it’s dying so slowly to the people in the simulation that it doesn’t matter
@@ShroomBois_Inc huh that's cool didn't know about that thanks!
It’d be cool if Deadpool was recruited to prune the multiverse allowing for a “Deadpool kills the Multiverse” movie
One of the best videos I've seen on youtube period. Genuinely amazing. Good job. No, amazing job.
Maybe they can't damage be physically but uncle iroh singing leaves from the from damaged me emotionally 😥
You're gonna be huge. Subscribed
This video turned out very different than I expected
That FFVI music in the background is a trip, takes me back. Nice choice.
The scp 5999 part was so great, yet my english isnt that good and without subtitles I couldnt understand half of what you said. Ended up reading it from the scp's site though, its pretty dope (both the scp and the video) :P
This is absolutely the best video Ive watched in a few years, and I watch a lot of stuff
well done
tbh some fictional characters can deal psychological damage
If there is a larger reality out their we just have to convince them to give us a body like a robot
I'm economically powerful but physically weak and yet very large. Basically, I have lots of coins and lots of health but very little defense and attack power.
0:42 kirby would and often does kill gods because its cake was stolen or some shit. kirby would absolutely swallow a civilian whole and feel no shame about it
nice video needs more views (awaiting for the next video)
ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS VIDEO! The only critique I have is not including a bit more philosophy. Namely Meinong's Ontology, AKA Meinong's Jungle, describing the three levels of existence.
GEEVIL?!?!??
25:33 They just brought a cursed doll from a haunted house and sent it back because it asked?
why isn’t there a marvel pantomime where deadpool is the only guy who can hear the crowd
41:23 and then their mom deletes the simulation
Simulation theory only holds up if it is indeed possible to simulate all of reality. It could very feasibly not be. And ultimately for us (unless someone cracks the matrix) this is as real as it ever gets, so nothing changes.
I'm already simulating my own immediate reality in my brain
You are in need of a few more subscribers my man, quality content!
6:38 Damn that's actually really dark when you think about it. The idea of realizing you're fiction and being unable to escape your prison despite being made to think you did temporarily
ok I got a bit salty over some parts of the bit at the end, sorry, but I think the thoughts I had are neat anyway so I'll leave them here
36:37 our universe can't contain a truly infinite chain down from here, our universe doesn't allow for infinite computational power, so each simulation down the line would get smaller and smaller.
37:31 in order for destiny to be this simple and just be an animation or whatever, that animation is so complicated it would have to be made using a very complicated simulation, which would itself be the simulated universe. For destiny to meaningfully exist in a simulation it HAS to be complicated, and actually guide things in a dynamic way instead of just being an animation.
38:10 I don't think it makes sense for a simulation detailed enough to have quarks, to also have a slider for patriotism or whatever. I don't think an entity outside the simulation would have any higher level control over a simulation that granular, with people being made of proteins and water molecules and so on.
(not as salty) 39:12 Another possible way for a simulated universe to be made would be for a Boltzman Brain sort of scenario to happen in a universe that is capable of infinite energy/matter/computation within it, potentially inside of an infinite equivalent of a black hole or something. The universe that ours runs in might not even have life in it, the simulation could've been made due to random chance. In a universe that allows infinite simulations to exist in the first place, I don't think this would be that rare, depending on their laws of physics.
In the most sincere way possible, I think it's good that you got salty about it cause that means that it sparked conversation. I will address them however.
1. I actually did come across this but it didn't make it into the video for the sake of not losing focus of the narrative (though I do that a fair bit anyways lol). There's a significant risk that we cannot create an accurate simulated universe because we ourselves are made of limited resources. The chain could be 100 universes long, or it could be one and there just simply isn't enough energy in the universe to support another of itself (supposing a sub-universe would require perfect 1-1 simulation). Also not mentioned though is the possibility that one universe could create multiple universes. So the near infinite scale could come across by one universe, or the main one, having so much energy potential that it can create as many universes as it wants, sort of like how we can run many games of sims on millions of computers at once.
2.This one was definitely tricky to say what I was thinking but I think you have a good sense of it. It's definitely more complicated than listed, both destiny and free will would require insane programming and essentially power over the future of the simulation. Time itself for those within it. What I was supposing is that this is a requirement for the simulation to be realistic enough to qualify. In the far future where this is possible, this might be, again, the limit of technology and require the brightest minds across the galaxy to create one instance or it could be relatively easy programming because of how far we've come at that time. Also I needed a visual aid to represent the easier outcome, aka, the second option.
3. That's fair, one of the main components of the theory that we are real is the fact that there is so much seemingly wasted energy within the universe that would bog down a simulation. It's just possible that those unnecessary ingredients might actually be necessary in the long run. Such is the matter with the smallest bits. Perhaps we simply need those after all to create a full universe.
4. That's cool! I never came across that idea. I'll have to look into it.