SABI SAND Lion Pride Dynamics July-Sep 2023 part 1
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- Опубликовано: 7 окт 2024
- In this video I'll give a detailed overview of the lion pride dynamics for the months July-Sep 2023.
The overview will be split in 2 parts.
Part 1 covers the lion pride dynamics in the Northern Sabi Sand and the Western Sector:
Talamati BA pride
Imbali/S8 male & Blackdam males
old Talamati lioness
Talamati young lionesses
Talamati young males
Mohawk and his sons
Nkuhuma pride
Chela and Blackdam males
Nkuhuma BA lioness Ridge Nose
Plainscamp males
Mhangeni pride
Ximunghwe pride
Tumbela male & Nkuhuma male
Othawa pride
Part 2 covers the lion pride dynamics in Central and Southern Sabi Sand
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I think it’s great that Mohawk is in a coalition with his sons!
I am so very impressed with this video. My first seen of yours. You have everything spot on. Thank you so much
Thank You for the kind words !!
Very much agree Kimberly. Off topic for a moment. Loved seeing Molwati as a little cub. So gorgeous and a first for me.
Just excellent FANTASTIC narration great videos excellent round up so glad those 2 18-month-old lions seem to have made it. That is incredible and goes against everything we thought about lion survival.
Thank you for the feedback !!
I love your videos. I like the information and details. I like the map and pictures. That helps give an idea of what is the areas looking like for the lions where they live. I learned something new. I did not know that the two older Nakhumas were daughters of the Matimbas. I had thought that the last Matimba daughter was gone from Sabi Sands besides Gingerella. I did not know how many lionesses left with the plain camp male lions.
I had 1 question you mention I think the lone Nukhuma lioness with the plain camp male lions that she would spend time with 2 lionesses. Who are the two lionesses you were talking about?
I like how you started with the Talamaties prides then you continued with their family’s and their relationship.
I want to thank you very much for your time and EFFORT that you and others have put in trying to give us all out here an ACCURATE ASSESSMET of our Lion SPECIES in Sabi Sands that we all share together in this ECOSYSTEM of LIFE ... RA 68 HELL FIRE
Thank you for the kind words !!
Can't wait for part 2
Plains camp males are taking over that's alot of cubs they COULD HAVE GREAT VIDEO KEEP THEM COMING
I like these kinds of videos! I will follow each history! keep going forward ! 😁
Excellent video with lots of information..especially for a newcomer like myself.
Amazing video with lots of details...the map of pride kids alongwith the names of the pride was the best part....waiting for part 2. And not to mention your voice is actually too good
This was a great video. I really liked the maps that showed the territory of each coalition, the locations of nomadic coalitions, and the ages of lions/subadults/cubs in different prides. Keep up the great work! I subscribed, and I'm looking forward to part 2 of this update!
Thank you for subscribing to my channel the kind feedback !!
Thanks for letting us know what is going on in these tumultuous times for our lions and likeness, Kings and Queens of survival.Great work, sadly too much bad news but I am aware of their daily struggles so I will follow beautiful subadolts becoming their mothers pride and joy 🦁💞💞👑.
You're so very welcome !!
@@allaboutthelionsofsabisand2743 And you have awesome updates 😊💞.
Excellent video
Thank you for doing this update! It is very helpful considering all the moving pieces of this puzzle!
Imbali male is true warrior King and deserve all respect 🦁👑❤️.
Mohawk is a phenomenal lion. I was really concerned after his brothers died, especially Blondie, but he is carrying on smart and strong as ever.
Lion version of Game of thrones. Cut-throat, life and death and joyful. Hard not to root for the underdogs. Hopeful Ottawa, Tsalala and Talamatis keep on keeping on. Great video .
You are absolutely right, it's very hard not to root for the under dogs 🦁💞.
I have too, I just can't help myself. I have always pulled for the underdogs.
I have to give you the credit for great updates,thank you so much and keep up a great work.❤
Thank You for the kind words!!
I just found your channel. I must say, this is the most informative, and best narration of any lion channel. I so appreciate all the updates and maps. I will be a regular!!
Thank you so much for the kind words and the much appreciated support !!
And the hits keep on coming. Another amazing video my friend👍
Another great video, thank you so much for all the time and effort you put into these. Your amazing!!! LL the 6!
Thank you for shedding light on the prides. I am only 4 almost 5 years into following. Yet I seem to forget the dynamics. Thank you!!
You're so very welcome !!
I like your videos a lot.
Subscribed.. best videos, Information, voice❤❤❤ thank you so much for your great Channel..🙏🙏🙏
Amazing video with your amazing voice😌. You perfercly speak about the situation of pride, lioness, lion just super ! Maybe the next time you can speak of the kambula pride and the Ndzenga or the sand river and the Nhulu ? Just a reflexion😊😊😊
See you next time❤❤❤
Ps : i'm probably about to watch this video only for your voice😅❤❤❤
Thanks for the feedback !!! I did not want to make the video 30+ min long, that's why I made two parts. Central SS with Kambula Pride and all the others will be covered in part 2.
@@allaboutthelionsofsabisand2743 OK😁. See you next time❤️❤️❤️🦁🦁🦁
I dont think u understand how much I appreciate these videos. Thank you 🙏🙏
Thank you for the kind words, much appreciated !!
S8 male is indeed a beast If he can hold on one more year sub adults can help him and live to take over there own.
Red road is awesome as well
Mohawk is being smart with his sons. Hope the Ottawa girls do well
Awesome video,you have brung me up to speed and you are greatly appreciated ,I've subscribed and looking forward for part 2
Thank you for subscribing and the kind words.
Very well done thanks
Thanks for the detail and putting in so much effort. Much appreciated 🙏
I remember when I had first heard of the S8 male lion, and when he was or would be giving Dark man and his sons a hard time. I have to say I really like the S8 male lion knowing he is trying and not giving up even in the presence of 2 male lions. I remember that I read a comment that the S8 male is the most impressive male in Sabi Sands I wonder if he meant his size and strength, but I am happy he is trying to get his sub adults to adulthood and helping the lone Selatie daughter. Knowing him more really shows his strength like the Selatie daughter.
So well done! Subscribed!
Thank You so much for subscribing, I really appreciate it !!
Wonderful video. I wish I could keep up with & remember who was who but at 75 with brain damage it is impossible 😢. So I simply enjoy watching & listening. They are magnificent & beautiful creatures 💖. 👵🏻👩🌾❣️
S8 is a warrior , he is getting a lot of pressure but gaining experience. Mohawk went out and brought his son's back with him , very smart king. The black dams have moved in but are not really in control. They just think they are . They still aren't really in control their just there.
True, they are great warriors but when it comes to take over they don't impress lionesses (who mate with all dominant males around them for protection,clever girls).💞🦁
Black Dams are just not very aggressive which is one reason why Mohawk has been able to wait it out until his sons get big and strong. Mohawk’s 4 sons are almost as big as he is now. They really grew over the summer (winter for them). Now it may be hard to nearly impossible for the Black Dams to kick out Mohawk and his sons. Black Dams may have waited too long to make their move. The Nkuhuma lionesses may still choose the Black Dams when they go back into estrus…and they should. But the Black Dams may have made a crucial mistake in allowing the Nkuhuma 4 subs to get big and strong in their territory. Fun times ahead!
Awesome update!! Thank youvfor sharing I love the layout you have with the map. Sounds like Hopefully things will turn out good. Hopefully mother nature is kind to the old Talimati girl.
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Thanks for kind the feedback !!!
Good one 👍
Imbali S8 handsome male he's a true warrior hope Mohawk continues his coalition with sons
I have been thinking about how Mowhawk a few years ago he had interest with the Kambulas I wonder if that interest comes back with his sons. I know they are still young but maybe in a year when they get bigger and stronger I wonder what they would do if hopefully they all do well.
I am happy mapogos become one more time grand fathers
How ? Can you explain
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Wow can I be the cameraman I love watching the Lions rulling the land they even rule over humans. I was watching the Mapogos pride rulling in their territory. Amazing.
Hey, great video...thank you very much!
Thanks for the feedback !!
The magnificent one of founders of the Talamati pride., Queen T - I think she left daughter at this age because she prefers her familiar territories than Landozi., to live out her life where she feels at home. Also., I think that all six kids from Nkahuma 2021 litter are alive along with their moms pale eye., Tattered Eye and Ridgenose daughter. There are videos where there are 13 of them without Chella and Mohawk and you can clearly still see their sizes versus mims and the boys from 2019 litter.
From the 2021 litters I could only identify four subadults 3F/1M over the last 3 Months , that remain in the pride.
From what I researched, the 3 subadult males that were split and roaming with Chela for some time at the beginning of this year, re-united with the core pride in March.
Shortly after two of the boys were seen again with Chela and the 4 young males. Last week of march one of them disappeared and the other returned to the core pride.
According to my notes this boy was seen last on April 16.
@@allaboutthelionsofsabisand2743 Agree. Only 4 cubs remain from the 2021 litter. I thought it was 2 male and 2 female; however, I believe you are correct. I only see one male sub-adult/cub with them now. So sad that the other 2 boys are gone 😪😪. I've followed them since they were born in 2021.
Wild Earth real time recorded episode sunrise 31 st of May 2023 James Hendry is sitting clearly with 3 Nkahuma adolescents boys and 1 girl and questioning where the other two girls are as it should be six. Wild Earth episode sunset may 31st 2023., James Hendry is filming the two adolescent girls., who were mussing in the morning episode., arriving with one adult lionesses searching for the other 4 adolescent that were seen in the morning and they reunited. Meaning all six were seen alive end of May.
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Is it confirmed he had a run in with Red Road? Some claim they know he didn't! If it had been the BD's he would have had little chance of just a minor injury.
I admire the S8 & the survivng female so much.
I hope the two related Pride sub adults can support each other somehow.
Hope Red Road okay too, another survivor.
Thank you for these updates so helpful, as there is currently so much Lion movement! 🫶👏
No one was there when S8 got the injuries. It had been concluded by some rangers (e.g. Deon Wessels and others from WE) that S8 was in a fight with RRM.
I agree on your thought, If it had been the 2 BDM's the outcome would have been much worse.
No it was red road . Red road was seen again 5days ago in the talamti camp . Then S8 was seen with more injuries.but they are cousins . Red road must be getting pressured also . I don't think this pressure is from the black dams . If they were to join together the black dams would be in for trouble .both S8and red road are big seasoned warriors.
After the fight with red road , S8was in pain lying near a kill. He then went to feeding on the kill. Red road was lying behind him just watching him. Red road didn't attack him again. He let his cousin feed . Now red road is in the talamti camp . S8seen with more injuries.but S8 was patrolling and calling his pride . It's a tough process but they may end up joining together. Why I say that is this ...red road could have killed S8 but didn't . Now they fought again and didn't try to kill each other . This is two lone kings , these fights must take place if they intend to join up. I think red road is there to defect the black dams.
@@genekruithoff5795 You are right those two would make great team but I don't see it happening, sadly.Both of them are experienced pride males and it's tough to become brothers in arms now.
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32: you keep describing this elaborate and vivid account but don’t explain who and when saw this. This first came on twitter but was clarified as speculation and that scratches RED had on his face were old healed scratches from previous fight with Mendevu. So unless there us a video of this., which there should be, as your account is very elaborate. Also in comments in other channels you frequently mix., with confidence, lions from s Africa with lions from Kenya., and lions from pridelands with lions from Landozi etc… if you cite the video channel this was seen., it would help clarify or confirm this info
100% I also is a mohawk lover
0:35 handsome lion.🦁
Thanks for the update. Any news on Jnr Ottawa hope he is still alive
Anytime !! Unfortunately no words on Jr. Othawa...
Awesome job with details. But I think there is something wrong with MIC or you are speaking to closely to it or I dont know what it is but the Audio is not super clear
Thanks for the feedback. I'l take the advise into account for the upcoming clips.
@@allaboutthelionsofsabisand2743and I will look forward to your future videos. Good luck. you have a new sub'er!
I received inaccurate information, I think, that the two 15-year-old Mhangeni lionesses had been killed in 2022. They would have been born in 2008. Is it correct that these two lionesses are the daughters of Shaka Mapogo?
The two 15y old Mhangeni are still alive and well and they are the daughters of Mr. T and KT.
The two Matriarchs that had been killed in Aug 2022 were the Othawa lionesses. They had been sired by the western Mapogo group Makulu, Dreadlocks, Pretty Boy and Rasta.
@@allaboutthelionsofsabisand2743 Thank you for clearing up the confusion. I'm glad that the two Mapogo daughters in the Mhangeni Pride are o.k. I knew that the two Mapogo daughters in the Othawa Pride were killed last year when trying to protect the younger members. "Auntie Othawa" was believed to have been the daughter of Makhulu or of Dreadlocks. She became close to King Hairy Belly after the Matimbas took over the Othawa Pride; however, she was unable to have children. Nhenha Birmingham and his nephew killed her. I don't know any details about the other Mapogo daughter who was in the Othawa Pride. I think she was killed first.
@@barbaraquay4482 Auntie (the one who was infertile) was killed on Aug 20, 2022 by the Birmingham males (Nhena and his son).
Her sister went missing a week prior and was presumed dead. It's believed she got also killed by the Birmingham males, but there is no definite proof .
@@allaboutthelionsofsabisand2743 Thank you very much.
Help help healing latest at 17 years old you can help her for the next six months she may be able to build up her immune system and her her body people that has healed may work out to where she can make it until she’s 18 1/2 to 19 I have seen it happen if someone can see if she’s alone throw her something and she will he’ll give her something to help her food is good for her it will help her if she’s the one that’s the oldest that’s the one you should be helping
The Talamati Queen has plenty of options to be with her family and not live out her days alone. Lions can live up to 20 years; so I think she can live much longer than 6 more months if she wants. She will have better odds for a longer life if she finds her 4 young daughters OR finds the Talamati breakaways with her 1 daughter/niece and 5 cubs. She could be extremely helpful to the Talamati breakaways since they only have 1 adult lioness. Queen T can still hunt and help provide and raise those cubs.
That is what I was thinking. The Selatiet daughter could enjoy the older Talamaties company. I think the 4 Talamaties are too busy; I think it is why she could not keep up.
Okay, thanks for the numbers on the Nkuhuma cub-subs. So, needed females and a single male. Down to 4, there were 7 for a long time, but Mala Mala said it was originally 8. This is to be expected, of course, with all the deaths and movements since they were born. I didn't think the Nkuhuma and Nkuhuma breakaway cub-subs were quite this old already. The older they get, the better! Good hunting age, and the females closer to when they will be "safe" from unrelated males. Probably the young Nkuhuma males with Mohawk are a deterrent to the Black Dams in settling down as pride males here, but when/if the young males take off .... The Birmingham-Nkuhuma lionesses will want to mate again, as well as the two NAvoca daughters. The Black Dams will probably be waiting for them. Have to check into Chela and her new cubs.
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I only wish you showed video at 1:37 in slow motion without cutting the part when the dominant BD male started a chase after s8’s kid. If you watch WE video (aug 16 sunrise) carefully you will see that dominant BD run straight and the to the right in the bush but then roars were herd., look and you will see through the bush the BD running in opposite direction and away from of the roars and then you see the S8 comes in roaring attentive and right past the younger BD male. Next scene Cedric drives to the road but Cedric is confused he now say it is Nkahumas then he say the lion roaring on the road is BD leo but it was not. Look closely that is S8 looking where BD went. He not only saved his son’s life unhesitatingly coming roaring and chasing the BD but then made sure his kids are safe then came back twice and by this time BD’s regrouped and s8 took off but not until giving it a roar. I was soo impressed with the S8 that unhesitatingly stepping in and protecting the pride. To this day noone is correcting this fact. Title is BD chase s8 but it was s8 who acared and chased the dominant BD first. He is phenomenal leo and dad! The video is there and it is clear. Don’t listen to Cedric., he was confused who is who throughout (and I like Cedric).
I agree, in the heat of the moment it's not easy to keep track, even for eye witnesses. Yes , he returned two times to make a point and he only retreated when he realized that both BDM were back at the carcass.
I have great respect and admiration for this lion who shows no fear and fights to keep his family safe.
The sad part is the Southern Avoca who is alone now. I guess splitting coalitions has consequences especially how long the Avoca brothers have been separated. Mohawk is doing his thing with his sons but sucks that his bro now will be reduced to a nomad
I had a question. Does anybody know of the relationship between the Red Road male lion and the S8 male lion? I had a comment in another video that they are cousins.
I have no idea, in which pride the S8 male had been born into and which coalition had sired him. Without these infos it's difficult to make a link.
Alistair from Tintswalo I believe said in a video that S8 was from the mbiri pride@@allaboutthelionsofsabisand2743
What happened to the other 3 Nkhuma cubs? I heard you say 4 out of the 7 were still alive.
One female cub died from a severe injury she suffered in a buffalo hunt gone wrong. Her mother was also injured in that incident, but she recovered.
The two male cubs sadly just disappeared, no explanation offered.
Aww, okay😥. Thank you for the explanation.@@allaboutthelionsofsabisand2743
Up until a week ago., i could clearly count 5 Nkahuma kidz from 2021 litter and there are videos from this summer where I was able to count all six. There is djuma cam video from Aug where six can be counted… I will try to find it and come back and cite it so that more pairs of eyes can help with counting. They can still be distinguished because of the size but they are all almost tall as moms so it is getting harder. So unless the two boys disappeared super recently
So (1) watch WE June 30 2023 night video of Nkahuma strolling ine by one first on one then other side of the dam. Mohwak is not there but neither is Chela and there are 13 leos. Watch their comparative sizes and you will see six who are less tall than adult lionesses and 3 who are slightly less taller than 3 boys (especially on when they walk on the other side of the dam) (2) video nights time is sept 7 2023. 3 older male subs plus Mohawk is on one side of them. One older sub, 3 BB sired adult lionesses and six adolescents (chela is not there) and there are 14 total.
@@karinajas The two boys disappeared after the pride was chased off a kill by the Ndzengha males earlier this year.
We need a better voice talking about this
Where did you learn/see info that S8 fought Red Road?
Actually no-one had witnessed the fight, some rangers (e.g. Deon Wessels) assumed it was the RRM. He said something to the affect it was like between the Mapogo and the Matimba, no-one was there but it was concluded it must have been them.
RRM had also been seen after the fact with scratches over his face but nothing serious.
So just a speculation especially since s8 injury seems more as a hunting injury and RED has healed scratches from beating Mandevu and not fresh scratches which I saw confirmed elsewhere
Di do thank you very much for this clarification as speculations like these not only get unreasonably elaborate over time like wild fire but over time become facts
@@luvmyaussie9561hunting injury ? He has visible canine punctures the big one and 2 from the bottom canines . With visible path of the canines as they moved . Also he had bite marks on his back legs .
@kimberlylopez9402: s8 had one large wound right above the right eye and two horizontal paw scratches left side of the face. Hunting injury or squabble over a carcass is what it looks like to me. I saw no bite marks on the leg and know he was walking just fine in real time footages on WE not compilation videos. Also if he had bite mark on the leg., than it would be even less likely it came from the fight with only one lion - so again rules out RED. So yes., I see these as speculation and it does blow my mind how elaborate they get in comments although humans are attracted to drama and it gets views., but once I see channels that use those tactics and even put together footages from different videos from different times (such as the ones that had RED limping) - not this channel though.., I don’t give them credit and find them misinformative.
Who is the father is the Othawa girls?
The western Mapogo..... Makulu, Dreadlocks, Rasta & Pretty Boy
@@allaboutthelionsofsabisand2743 they have thick warrior blood in them 🔥
@@yookedamopolii8037 They absolutely do
Any bloodline of mapogs in them??
The younger Ximunghwe lioness named Gingerella was born into the Othawa pride and is the grand grand daughter of the Western Mapogo group (Makulu, Dreadlocks, Pretty Boy & Rasta)
The two young Othawa girls are also their grand grand daughters.
Is there any connection of mapogs??
The two old Mhangeni lionesses are the daughters of T and KT. The 3 younger Mhangeni lionesses are their grand daughters.
@@allaboutthelionsofsabisand2743okay I think no subadult servived from mapogs
Nkhulu coalition hold all the power. They are only starting and will expand. It all depends what area they target. 7 male coalition is going to take a huge territory.
yeah they beast, but I think they will split up
They sure do have the numbers advantage but only time will tell. Don't underestimate smaller coalition especially because large coalition members can be picked off separately or the coalition might break.. The Nkhulus are lucky to still have Dreadlocks. We shall see. The 3 duos PCM BDM Gijimas are no joke. And Mohawk with his future army
why isn't there any white lions in the Sabi Sand only in Kruger do they exist
It’s genetics I think/luck only 4 I know of Casper the Male lion in Kruger and White young male of the Birmingham coalition I believe in timbavti and a white female born in the same pride as the white young male and she has a daughter that is a white female lion
@@tylermartin9017 Birmingham pride carries that genetic , it could happend that the white Birmingham sub-adult end up here in sabi sands he is massive
Thats where the White lion gene exists. Has to be in the dna....
@@_Kylix_ maybe but I think he and his brother look over a pride I’m not sure I know a lot of fighting happened