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I'm a 61 year old female/grandma who owns a 2009 Saturn Sky redline (mildly modded for time attack racing.) I think you guys would be pleasantly surprised the car could beat either the Honda or Toyota. I also run 275's square on my set up. Please give me a shot. Thank you
Like before, John's car is more modified than the other competitor's car, giving him the edge. The Corolla did great considering it is the underdog here.
When the GR first came out everyone was so sure it was gonna dethrone the CTR. Boy we’re they wrong. There’s just something special about the CTR. Even the Morizo Edition can’t take down the CTR. I do like both tho.
Even if both 100% stock, the R is just quicker, as its 'Ring time indicates. 7:44 at the 'Ring cannot be matched by any other hot hatches and is quicker than over 90% of BMWs ever made (fun fact there).
GR weights more 3,265 type R 3,190 GR has less hp 300 type R 315 GR 10.88 lbs/ hp R 10.12 lbs/hp This factor likely makes a difference (perhaps 2 seconds-:)???
Love my GRC but the slight power difference and less drivetrain loss makes the FL5 a bit faster especially around track with more sweeping corners and longer straights.
@@christopherbassit2757 yeah, that’s why I think if they were evened out, same mods, tires, etc. it’d be super close. Especially if it was a tight track. GRC is already faster 0-60 and quarter. I am jealous of that interior though lol. Just can’t justify the price (with mark up) since I got my GRC at msrp.
@@MarcosCernaG I also am jealous of the interior but it’s really not as bad as people are saying. I might trade mine for a 2024 CE if given the option because I’m really digging that new blue color with the blue interior stitching.
@@christopherbassit2757 yeah. I just can’t justify if I have to pay mark up. I hate the red stitching on CR and Morizo. I’ll just get some nice buckets for mine and call it a day the rest of the interior is the same.
@@christopherbassit2757 The CTR is putting down its power though, that's why it was faster. Go watch the GR Corolla vs Civic Type R that Jason Cammisa did. Or savagegeese. Or many others. The Civic has a larger engine, more top end, and is a supremely well handling platform.
Loads of reason civic is quicker here the civic is lower and more sleek that probably makes less drag for starters, more power better suspension, worst comparison is having different drivers tho if you want to compare cars atleast put the same driver in each preferably a racing driver or some type.
@@repingers9777 Right, lets disregard all the Honda engineers who designed the suspension strictly for the racer enthusiast, not some mass market commuter car.
@@shikinami0297 What you mean? Lol! It's a clean wide body look. People have different taste in their style but if you don't like it, keep it to yourself.
@@marcorsxwhitebro that shit looks like the most basic commuter car they are just playing y’all and your falling for it. That thing makes no power either stop excepting the trash they put out
I'd say the biggest factor is the proper wheel HP of the 2 cars, even though the GR is AWD, the Civic had more HP to the ground so it pulled away in the straights, that all adds up after a few straights. If this were a tighter track I think the GR would have been much closer or would have won. Oh and CW's sure do help with confidence and those longer sweeping turns to keep speed.
Incredible video!! You guys killed it!! In January I traded my 2019 FK8 type R and bought a new FL5!! I love it a lot! I was fortunate to get my FL5 at msrp without any add-ons! I bought my last FK8 Type R and a few different Civic Si’s over the past decade from them! I have a great relationship with them! I like my FL5 quite a bit more than my FK8! The GR Corolla looks incredible as well! I haven’t seen one in person but I am definitely a fan! Great comparison you guys! Keep up the amazing content! I look forward to the next video! 🚙👍🏼😀🔥
Crazy to think that a stock Elantra N would come and run a faster time than the FL5 and GRC in the most recent head to head y’all did. LOL. It took the FK8 being tuned on 275’s to be only 1 second ahead. That’s pathetic for the type-R honestly
@@magicwaffl3zCan confirm this is a Core model as it doesn’t have the Carbon Fiber Roof or the Larger Spoiler. Not that it matters much if you have all the packages of the Circuit.
Thanks Mike! That day was so much fun! John is a great driver and formidable opponent (and a super cool dude). I left it all out there and don’t feel like I did the car a disservice by being the one behind the wheel. The CTR is simply a faster car for track work. I got to drive one after this and am very impressed by how fast they are. On paper, the cars are similar in weight and power but they don’t feel very similar from behind the wheel. No regrets with the GR4, though. I didn’t get it thinking it would be a good track car and currently loving rallycross where it absolutely shines!
Honda yetkilileri 2lt, 4 silindir +400hp ,7 ileri düz vitese sahip,4wd&4ws bir Civic üretme zamanı gelmedi mi ? Eskiden en sevdiğim marka Honda idi şimdiyse tam tersi !
I wonder if you switch drivers if the result would’ve been the same ? It looks like the Corolla was pushing in the turn a little. My daily driver. 2013 Ford focus ST running 265 35 18 I am 62-year-old autocross 20 years ago running a you’re gonna laugh at 96 dodge neon ran it in the street modified first place end-of-the-year points ..
My husby wants that new GR Corolla but I can’t get past the price and the fact that it’s a C-Rolla!!! One of my first car was my mamas 1998 Corolla that still runs today and we call her granny panties. All jokes aside, he can get it if he trades in his 2017 86 but he’s trying to finesse me into getting a “faster” Toyota to add to his collection.
There’s. No point to compare the GR Corolla with the Honda type R because Honda is a superior machine ! The Corolla is just a Toyota (point a to b vehicle) with some performance upgrades !
I own an FL5 so I am probably biased but every timed track comparison I’ve seen the CTR has been faster. I am still a big fan of the GR Corolla and would be proud to own one.
Pretty Sweet but I really can't believe there was no mention of the AWD system failing in the Corolla due to heat. Seems like it's the car's biggest enemy
Faster for sure on Civic. The Honda Civic has coil overs and the Honda is wider base. But corolla looks lighter. Some coil.overs, front and rear strut bars. And lighter wheels will make a big difference.
@@van_der_lindeDA That subjective bro, I ALREADY DID, I work at Honda. To me it's the FK8 its way better imho. To each his own I guess. Glad you liked it though.
@@cooleye7007 to say the fk8 is way better makes no sense to me, driving the fl5 for 2km you will realize it is better, why would honda produce a model that is way worse than it's predecessor? But you right...each to their own.
@@van_der_lindeDA YOU REALIZED WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION ?? WHATS GOOD FOR YOU DOESNT MEAN IT'LL BE THE SAME RESULT FOR MY LIKING LOL. BESIDES THIS NEW VS PREVIOUS THING HAPPENS A LOT IN CAR INDUSTRIES ALL THE TIME LOL. NEWER DOESNT MEAN SHIT ONLY TIME CAN TELL. A LOT OF US FK8 OWNERS ARE STICKING TO IT AND DID NOT WANT TO TRADE. BUT AS A HONDA GUY ALL MY 50 PLUS YEARS I KNOW WHAT I KNOW. WHEN SOMEONE TRIES TO TELL ME OTHERWISE NOW THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO ME. TO EACH HIS OWN, YOUR OPINION IS SUBJECTIVE. SIMPLE
Too bad the oversized civic doesn’t take well to mods. What a disappointment. These civics can only get to like 350 wheel and the engine or transmission explodes lol.
Can agree, my 426whp Type R FK8 actually caught on fire and burned to the ground. It endured lots of heavy track days and hard driving before it happened though.
Why bother advertising people to sign up? All you do is pick same people over and over again. You need to make it clear it's a requirement to have 100k+ followers on social media
I'm a 61 year old female/grandma who owns a 2009 Saturn Sky redline (mildly modded for time attack racing.) I think you guys would be pleasantly surprised the car could beat either the Honda or Toyota. I also run 275's square on my set up. Please give me a shot. Thank you
And everyone says Honda shoulda went AWD on these last 2 CTRs.....
CTR with coilovers is a game changer in this run as everyone knows, and CTR with 40NM more HP. Both great, but both different class
Exactly, it doesn’t need to. It’ll just be extra weight, cost and complexity.
Should have gotten @antdo to be in this battle instead.
Im FASTER!!!! I’m a TIME ATTACK BUILD
GR86 10th anniversary 🔥😊💯
Both cars are so amazing, i would love both, BUT, who's car is going to the autocross later?
GR corolla is classed B street since stock front camber can be adjusted to -2.5 degrees. CTR is still D street.
I’ve since run the GR at rallycross and it’s a blast. That’s where this car excels.
Both are awesome cars I think the Corolla is more for rallycross
type r smokes on corners.
Fucking dope race
edit: new ctr so much better proportioned imo, some of my m8s like the old transformer fk8 though /shrug
Like before, John's car is more modified than the other competitor's car, giving him the edge. The Corolla did great considering it is the underdog here.
Yeah, the coilovers are a huge advantage.
When the GR first came out everyone was so sure it was gonna dethrone the CTR. Boy we’re they wrong. There’s just something special about the CTR. Even the Morizo Edition can’t take down the CTR. I do like both tho.
Ya the corolla isn’t winning stock for stock either
Even if both 100% stock, the R is just quicker, as its 'Ring time indicates. 7:44 at the 'Ring cannot be matched by any other hot hatches and is quicker than over 90% of BMWs ever made (fun fact there).
I would argue with these cars stock suspension is not a disadvantage
Is a 1.6 Lt vs 2.0 Lt, both cars are incredible, the best we have this year, but the corolla surprises, love that rally beast💥
GR weights more 3,265 type R 3,190
GR has less hp 300 type R 315
GR 10.88 lbs/ hp
R 10.12 lbs/hp
This factor likely makes a difference (perhaps 2 seconds-:)???
Love my GRC but the slight power difference and less drivetrain loss makes the FL5 a bit faster especially around track with more sweeping corners and longer straights.
I’ll take way more traction over a little extra power it can’t put down all day. Loving my Gr too
@@christopherbassit2757 yeah, that’s why I think if they were evened out, same mods, tires, etc. it’d be super close. Especially if it was a tight track. GRC is already faster 0-60 and quarter.
I am jealous of that interior though lol. Just can’t justify the price (with mark up) since I got my GRC at msrp.
@@MarcosCernaG I also am jealous of the interior but it’s really not as bad as people are saying. I might trade mine for a 2024 CE if given the option because I’m really digging that new blue color with the blue interior stitching.
@@christopherbassit2757 yeah. I just can’t justify if I have to pay mark up. I hate the red stitching on CR and Morizo. I’ll just get some nice buckets for mine and call it a day the rest of the interior is the same.
@@christopherbassit2757 The CTR is putting down its power though, that's why it was faster. Go watch the GR Corolla vs Civic Type R that Jason Cammisa did. Or savagegeese. Or many others. The Civic has a larger engine, more top end, and is a supremely well handling platform.
Type R 🔥🔥🔥
This is the best concept to test cars along with u-drag 👌
Fbfnd
FL5 better. Cannot live with that toyota cheap looking interior
FL5 is fast, interested to see a rematch in the wet track
this^
Or in a snowy or dirt track. They would never do it. Notice how all this reviewers all pick the perfect day and track that benefits the CTR
Loads of reason civic is quicker here the civic is lower and more sleek that probably makes less drag for starters, more power better suspension, worst comparison is having different drivers tho if you want to compare cars atleast put the same driver in each preferably a racing driver or some type.
What is the point of getting a CTR and then swapping out the suspension????
It's so dumb lol we don't even know if it's actually better lol
@@repingers9777 Right, lets disregard all the Honda engineers who designed the suspension strictly for the racer enthusiast, not some mass market commuter car.
Did he say what track this is?
Chuckwalla Valley Raceway
GR Corolla FTW! Loving mine!
The reason I subscribed to this channel. Please make this a common reoccurring episode/content
My gr corolla is like the exact same. Same color same mudflaps
Again proving that, in fact, if two drivers race that one wins and one loses. Has ZERO to do with the vehicles used.
Yep. It’s a truly stupid comparison 🥴
It’s like every 48 seconds at start , the CTR’s I watched in every driver battle pulls ahead off the competition . Great battle !!!
The FL5 look so 🔥
Bro you really falling for the boring corporate modern look. Bot Fr
@@shikinami0297 What you mean? Lol! It's a clean wide body look. People have different taste in their style but if you don't like it, keep it to yourself.
@@shikinami0297🤡
@@marcorsxwhitebro that shit looks like the most basic commuter car they are just playing y’all and your falling for it. That thing makes no power either stop excepting the trash they put out
@@shikinami0297 You have no idea what you talking about. Lol! Take it to the touge run and you'll see how fast the FL5 is.
Great episode! Can’t wait for the next one 😉
Type R for sure.
Bigger trunk
More reliable I4 engine.
No matter what you do, I3 will eventually shake like hell.
LOL
Still live in 90s eh? 🤣
I wonder how my fbo k swapped EJ1 would do against that type r 🤔 I can beat them in a 40-120 roll race..
I'd say the biggest factor is the proper wheel HP of the 2 cars, even though the GR is AWD, the Civic had more HP to the ground so it pulled away in the straights, that all adds up after a few straights. If this were a tighter track I think the GR would have been much closer or would have won. Oh and CW's sure do help with confidence and those longer sweeping turns to keep speed.
CW's?
Are the te37s lighter? Less unsprung weight including the coil overs?
@@JayStone1 Perhaps, but what I was alluding to was that the "more HP" part was advantageous on the straights
Honda Fighters
Hey rob check out Gazoo racing for the mods on your Corolla ✌️
Thanks, definitely will!
Wish you could have included an Elantra N or just invited me to compete✌️
I’ll take them both with my fk8
Incredible video!! You guys killed it!! In January I traded my 2019 FK8 type R and bought a new FL5!! I love it a lot! I was fortunate to get my FL5 at msrp without any add-ons! I bought my last FK8 Type R and a few different Civic Si’s over the past decade from them! I have a great relationship with them! I like my FL5 quite a bit more than my FK8! The GR Corolla looks incredible as well! I haven’t seen one in person but I am definitely a fan! Great comparison you guys! Keep up the amazing content! I look forward to the next video!
🚙👍🏼😀🔥
Gr corolla nice!!!! Only 1.6 3 cilinder can beat 2.0 4 cilinder ..... 🎉🎉🎉
LOL NO IT CANT BRO, WATCH ALL THE OTHER RACE HERE IN YT, TYPE R BEATS THE COROLLA, FACTS
OE suspension on the GR is heavy as well as those 18x10 with the 275. That's a lot of tire on a stock GR.
The type R is legendary
Crazy to think that a stock Elantra N would come and run a faster time than the FL5 and GRC in the most recent head to head y’all did. LOL. It took the FK8 being tuned on 275’s to be only 1 second ahead. That’s pathetic for the type-R honestly
I really wish you guys didn’t sync the fast lap footage. What is the point of overlaying them if we can’t see the realtime differences?
driver, aero, and superior chassis/suspension
Rob is a graceful loser in giving props to the driver and sure at the end of the day it always comes down to the driver but.. coilovers. Comon.
Corolla looked like it was understeering much more than the Civic.
So much understeer
Goofy Mario looking dude won!
John definitely has his own style but the man can drive! He’s a super chill and down to earth dude as well.
Type R just makes more power and that looks like the base model GR corolla
The base model GRC is nothing to put aside
It's got the hood vents so I think it's the circuit edition
@@magicwaffl3zCan confirm this is a Core model as it doesn’t have the Carbon Fiber Roof or the Larger Spoiler. Not that it matters much if you have all the packages of the Circuit.
@@magicwaffl3zit’s a core model. I like the look of the CE hood and was able to buy it from the dealer.
@@basic.sportscar ahh thanks for confirming! Didn't know you could add that stuff that's awesome
I’m in a wheelchair drive a g37xs lightly modified let me know
Really enjoyed watching this, it helped clear some doubts
Great driving, Rob and John!
Thanks Mike! That day was so much fun! John is a great driver and formidable opponent (and a super cool dude). I left it all out there and don’t feel like I did the car a disservice by being the one behind the wheel. The CTR is simply a faster car for track work. I got to drive one after this and am very impressed by how fast they are. On paper, the cars are similar in weight and power but they don’t feel very similar from behind the wheel. No regrets with the GR4, though. I didn’t get it thinking it would be a good track car and currently loving rallycross where it absolutely shines!
Honda yetkilileri 2lt, 4 silindir +400hp ,7 ileri düz vitese sahip,4wd&4ws bir Civic üretme zamanı gelmedi mi ? Eskiden en sevdiğim marka Honda idi şimdiyse tam tersi !
we need corners to race no straight aways!! who cares about straight line
You need to have the same driver same suspension, one has coil overs. Bad comparison!
Should have given the GR Corolla a chance and throw in a Elantra N into the mix.
So you want it to lose to 2 cars? Lol
the type r with sports 2 tires dominates this matchup on corners.
6 exhaust pipes and 3.5 Litres lol
Surprised the diff didn’t overheat for the gr
I wonder if you switch drivers if the result would’ve been the same ? It looks like the Corolla was pushing in the turn a little. My daily driver. 2013 Ford focus ST running 265 35 18 I am 62-year-old autocross 20 years ago running a you’re gonna laugh at 96 dodge neon ran it in the street modified first place end-of-the-year points ..
My husby wants that new GR Corolla but I can’t get past the price and the fact that it’s a C-Rolla!!! One of my first car was my mamas 1998 Corolla that still runs today and we call her granny panties. All jokes aside, he can get it if he trades in his 2017 86 but he’s trying to finesse me into getting a “faster” Toyota to add to his collection.
tell rob let go of that micro mini short shorts to her sister that's so gay of him.
Ima say this right here and now they do not know how to drive on the track
wow you had to put in a new suspension in the type r to get a good time sad
I bet you that GRC lost AWD probably 3 laps in.
TypeR so Damn sexy 🔥best looking...
There’s. No point to compare the GR Corolla with the Honda type R because Honda is a superior machine ! The Corolla is just a Toyota (point a to b vehicle) with some performance upgrades !
I own an FL5 so I am probably biased but every timed track comparison I’ve seen the CTR has been faster. I am still a big fan of the GR Corolla and would be proud to own one.
Stock suspension vs s3 coilovers which are great
@@strifu808stock vs stock, CTR is faster
No Kaizen in honda 🤡
CTR slower 0-60
@@hassyg4083 true but 0 to 60 doesn't mean anything to me. If you bought the CTR or GR Corolla for that matter to drag race you're doing it wrong.
I do like the GR Corolla but the CTR will forever be the king 👑 Shutting down all the “but it’s fwd” type of people.
Honda’s race team helped build the FL5
Just watched the supra gapped the fwd trash by 7 car length and also beats it on road and track lighting lap. 😅
@@kobedabestobviously 🤡
@@GaryV209
We got a sherlock
The car is a sexy beast but it is still fwd, u wont understand only the real drivers with skill get it. Why doesnt any f1 driver own any fwd car?
Pretty Sweet but I really can't believe there was no mention of the AWD system failing in the Corolla due to heat. Seems like it's the car's biggest enemy
I would never pay 40k for Corolla!!! 🤯
Faster for sure on Civic. The Honda Civic has coil overs and the Honda is wider base. But corolla looks lighter. Some coil.overs, front and rear strut bars. And lighter wheels will make a big difference.
I was hoping the GRC would have won. But, that’s only because I own one, and I’m biased😂
GR YARIS > Civic Type R > GR Corolla
I think that great part of this 2s comes from pilots, the type-r guy really full send i every corner. The Gr let the car too loose
How is this a fair comparison if one car is on stock suspension and the other has coilovers? Really?
Swap drivers and go!!!
I would love to see the CTR vs GOLF R MANUAL GO HEAD TO HEAD !!!!!!!😅
Now swap drivers. ;)
Add 700hp and the civic won't stand a chance. Everyone forgets this!!!
Mud Flaps!!!! Get rid of them!!!
S3 suspension.. aren't they manufactured China, rebrand?
$60k vs $35k... $60k fwd vs $35k awd
8:13 straight out of mario kart loss lmfao
😂😂glad you liked that!
@@basic.sportscar Good driving brotha thanks for bringing the GR out! Hope the aftermarket scene develops for the GR, love unique engines.
ID LOVE TO SEE THESE 2 CARS RACE EACH OTHER BONE STOCK. But I'd still choose and prefer my FK8 though.
Traded in fk8 for fl5, it is better in every single department trust me....
@@van_der_lindeDA That subjective bro, I ALREADY DID, I work at Honda. To me it's the FK8 its way better imho. To each his own I guess. Glad you liked it though.
Stock for stock, the CTR beats the GR4 at this track
@@cooleye7007 to say the fk8 is way better makes no sense to me, driving the fl5 for 2km you will realize it is better, why would honda produce a model that is way worse than it's predecessor? But you right...each to their own.
@@van_der_lindeDA YOU REALIZED WE HAVE DIFFERENT OPINION ?? WHATS GOOD FOR YOU DOESNT MEAN IT'LL BE THE SAME RESULT FOR MY LIKING LOL. BESIDES THIS NEW VS PREVIOUS THING HAPPENS A LOT IN CAR INDUSTRIES ALL THE TIME LOL. NEWER DOESNT MEAN SHIT ONLY TIME CAN TELL. A LOT OF US FK8 OWNERS ARE STICKING TO IT AND DID NOT WANT TO TRADE. BUT AS A HONDA GUY ALL MY 50 PLUS YEARS I KNOW WHAT I KNOW. WHEN SOMEONE TRIES TO TELL ME OTHERWISE NOW THAT DOESNT MAKE SENSE TO ME. TO EACH HIS OWN, YOUR OPINION IS SUBJECTIVE. SIMPLE
Can’t wait for the Integra Type S
Too bad the oversized civic doesn’t take well to mods. What a disappointment. These civics can only get to like 350 wheel and the engine or transmission explodes lol.
Can agree, my 426whp Type R FK8 actually caught on fire and burned to the ground. It endured lots of heavy track days and hard driving before it happened though.
The Type R just kerping getting higher on my list of future cars to own
Civic Type R
Honda is just superior
Fl5 is faster because it cost 70k better be faster ..lol
Love the content so far ! Hopefully I can make it on one day lol
No AWD overheat? GR Corolla could also have heat soak
It’s now as common as you’d think. It’s just that when ever it happens you see all over the internet. But it’s a small percentage.
The diff was overheating after about 4-5 laps all morning. Didn’t have the issue so much as the day went on, though.
@@basic.sportscar why do you think it improved later ?
Yo a Bozeman plate
Why 3 exhaust tips? GR is a 3 cylinders.
I got a 2023 Mach 1 it could probably smoke both cars
In a straight maybe, around a track your dreaming😂
@@DavidJohnson-zz2yn he aint wrong. the mach 1 is track capable. A baby Shelby gt350
Toyota its good
I had a hard time deciding which one will win haha
The type r seemed more composed entering a corner
Honda ❤
Put them in a 1/4 mile and let's see.
Did the fl5 overheat?
Swap cars and do a couple laps
This is becoming my favorite channel, great work
Gotta love how they completely left out the Elantra N…
Duh I know it’s not a hatch. But still in the same Category.
Not allowed, it ain't got 3 exhaust tips LOL
@@dephataznboi lol!