Thomas Carlyle: Interview with Curtis Yarvin
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- Опубликовано: 3 дек 2021
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“we have this abstract absolute love for democracy, but we have this (at least among intellectuals) very concrete hatred of populism which is exactly the same thing” 🔥
That's pretty fair. Direct democracy is probably the closest thing we get to undisrupted populism. Unlike the intellectuals I don't really consider populism to be inherently bad which allows me to not be a hypocrit while still prefering democracy over alternative models
Late to this, but anyone counted the pops and peaks that Yarvin produced with that microphone? Almost swallowed my gobstopper at one point.
So, like, basically- here’s, like, the sort of, you know, like, final ‘UM’* scores:
AA: 97
MM: 164
*for the purposes of this fact check, brief ‘ah’s/stuttering on ‘a’ or long ‘annnnd’s have NOT been counted. Only genuine, indisputable instances of UM, ER & UH have been included which may have resulted in an undercount of no more than, like, 3%, basically.
The remaining 20% of the stream was very interesting, however
The autism is strong with this one.
The rating we needed
Watching it now. I feel like he's got better when compared to his earlier stream appearances.
We all Um and Ah. . don't we?
@@user-vz1zc3fn7o It’s still an average of 3.7/min (roughly 1.4 & 2.3, respectively, though I neglected to time them) AA’s rate is fairly constant, while CY’s sudden bursts inflate his score
I love that AA didn't change his avatar for this 😂
Why would he?
@@Vingul a lot of reactionary moldbug fans will end up here and ask who this Maoist is and why he's talking to Curtis
@@Vingul Well he shouldn't, but I guess he wrote this because the picture kind of resembles Mao
@@majorhumbert676 it literally is a picture of Mao with the Saunders head photoshopped unto it.
I thought it was a photo of Michael Malice aping Mao initially
That "sure" attack sold me on the legend of this interview.
You just got sure'd
Where is this?
I LOL’d with my eyes closed at that moment
Sure.
Obama “if” moment
I’m just gonna go ahead and throw this out there… this a top 5 Yarvin interview/ stream
What do you consider the other 4?
@@CodyBMcGuire the one one hyperpodcastism was most amusing
The hyperpodcastism interview has to be #1
It helps a lot when the host (and by extension the audience) are already up to speed on the topic.
Thanks, hadn't seen the hyperpodcastism interview yet, currently my favorite and most insightful has been his discussion on the Claremont Institute with Michael Anton.
The first Yarvin interview where he doesn’t mention “Hitler Lives.”
lmaooo
That was actually funny. 😂😂😂
What are you talking about
What I like most about this discussion is that both AA and Curtis can talk about Carlyle and other thought leaders without having to explain ideas in a simplified way, as they both have read and understood the same books. Often Curtis interviews are with someone who is not familiar with the concepts and has to have things simplified for a mainstream audience. Taking nothing away from him, Curtis Yarvin is extremely good at simplifying concepts for the mainstream, as is AA. However, it’s great to hear a discussion where they can talk on an equal level without having to explain basic concepts.
Agreed, they both know the source material.
Yes it is parsing the ways of Carlyle to modern men.
Do you really thinks so.
Excellent analysis
"Sometimes, if like, you know, um, um, people will ask me, um, you know, who is Carlyle? I'll be like: he was the Victorian Jesus, you know."
-Curtis Yarvin
😆
"The Midwest is full of distressed needlewomen."
I heard it as “korean jesus” both times and was thoroughly confused.
2:13
Sure,
Sure,
Sure sure sure sure sure sure
It’s finally happened! I’ve really been looking forward to this!
This stream was based and umpilled.
Sure
That’s for sure
Great interview. Thanks for that.
Badass, thank you bro. I was hoping for this.
A good interview. I've only seen a handful of videos with Curtis so this was a treat.
There's dozens more
Watching these two trying to duet is like watching to rock n roll soloists trying to do dueling solos. Like they're both so used to just completely going off that they're having trouble playing off of each other. Like how would Eddie Van Halen and Zakk Wylde play a duet? They're both just gonna want to go off on 9 minute shredding epics, how are they going to play duelling solos like jazz guys? You guys are rock stars, thanks for the vid.
I must be a noble peasant, working in construction and listening to these guys. Although It’s not like I chose construction work and given the opportunity I would of gone to university.
Udemy & Coursera are your friend. Less indoctrinatio & also cheaper.
Construction isnt peasant work. Being a peasant is owning land and working it. Modern wage workers, blue collar or not, aren't equivalent to peasants. True peasantry doesn't exist any more.
@@F--B did you hear yarvins definition of modern nobles and peasants?
@Accelerationist have you ever tried talking about this stuff with people working on construction sites?
@@Vgallo during this talk?
Great video!
Just brilliant
Thanks for this podcast. Another son of cool Britannia here, who shamefully cast his first and only ever vote for New Labour in 1997....things will actually get worse, should have been the theme song...🙄
On the 'baronal' lord, the word Baron seems to come from the old English word which was used for a young man, a child, or a soldier, the same root as the Scots word for kid, 'bairn'. This wasn't previously used for the old English of that status, but indicates that the folk of the land were close enough to these people to give a name to their status, whereas on the upper end the Norman Dukes gained a Latin derived term from the foreign upper caste.
Bairn is still commonly used in the North-East too
Interesting. «Barn» is the Norwegian word for child/children. I’ve heard that the Scots equivalent is derived from Old Norse.
Thomas Carlyle's writing pushes the boundaries of the English language further than any other writer (!) and one of the most remarkable traits about it is that it is so cynically serious that it is hilarious.
I tried reading Characteristics but found that Victorian prose too dense to be enjoyable.
He definitely influenced Charles Dickens, who was extremely influential
Pleasantly surprised to discover that this is in fact real.
I find Curtis depressingly smart... But you would never guess this by just listening to him, with his "you know, you know" every 30 seconds. One has to read his works.
I wasn't told to get out, who is this sham captain?
An interesting interview and illuminating to see the great man in the flesh so to speak, his comments on aristocracy v democracy and that they both suck , was revealing , however does that not bring us back to the least worse options. It is true that aristocracy and democracy both can become spent systems , as we can see all around us. Orwell explained it quite well in 1984 , the perpetual struggle between the middle and elites. Is it just down to accident, who happens to be around at the time? Is it really that random.
I am not so sure either of you have a real handle on the issues. Humility is something that needs a platform in this discussion being fully aware of our own shortcomings. Sorry but my views on this are not fully formed yet, as I suspect many other are astride the same dilemma.
I think the problem is that we're trying to find systems that work at scale, and appear to be coming to the realisation that nothing works at scale. Out of the two, aristocracy appears to be the closest to what has worked for most of our history, but theres nothing to say that it translates to large scale complex societies.
Jilly Cooper's 1970s book about Class was spot on. Probably dated now.
What's this Network of 10s mentioned towards the end? Would anyone mind elaborating on that for me?
A network of people who have perfected themselves to the be the best that they can be, or something
The misunderstanding about the relationship of aristocrats and peasantry is profound - the peasant reveres the superior, who maintains that superiority by distance and formality. And in turn the superior takes care of the interests of his lessers, thus legitimating his power and regard.
Drink every time curtis says something 3x or more in a row
Ya ya ya!
Sure... sure sure sure sure sure.
💀
Something something something
That new university is like mapping the map and thinking you are hitting bedrock.
Yarvin: "Your audience likes Ernst Junger, right? He believed in the Holocaust. Just saying."
AA: "Anyway, back to Carlyle..."
that was bizarre
Hidden gem. He really investigated Holocaust.
I have been subscribed for a while now, and looking for a recommended reading list, any suggestions folks ?
The Questionnaire - Ernst Von Salomon
Roll Jordan Roll - Eugene Genovese
Dr Francia - Carlyle
Shooting Niagara - Carlyle
French Revolution - Carlyle
Latter Day Pamphlets - Carlyle
Reflections of a Russian Statesman- Pobedonostsev
Human Smoke
Coup d'Etat - Edward Luttwak
The Chatham House Version
The War for Righteousness
Lincoln, The Man
Three New Deals
Authoritarian Socialism in America
The Dark Side of the Left: Illiberal Egalitarianism in America
Puritan Origins of American Patriotism
Origin and Progress of the American Rebellion - Peter Oliver
The 10,000 Year Explosion
Life and Liberty in America - Charles Mackay
Origin of the Late War - George Lunt (American Civil War)
The Abolition Crusade and its Consequences - Hilary Herbert
Penrod - Booth Tarkington
How Diplomats Make War - Francis Neilson
The English Radicals: A Historical Sketch - CB Roylance Kent
The Roosevelt Myth - John T Flynn
Back Door To War - Charles Callan Tansill
The English in the West Indies - Froude
Desperate Deception - Thomas E Mahl
Hitlers Table Talk - Hugh Trevor Roper
Robbery Under Law - Evelyn Waugh
The Lesser Evil - Victor Klemperer
The Captive Mind - Czeslaw Milosz
Blacklisted by History - M Stanton Evans
Popular Government- Henry Maine
Filter
The Bow of Ulysses - Froude
The Black Book of Communism
Foundations: Their Power and Influence - Rene Wormser
The Populist Delusion
Sure.
Can someone teach Moldbug how to work the mic? Or buy him a pop filter?
If you could check you 'tism please, that'd be great!
Widzę że pan Kelthuz tutaj jest.
Yas!
2:12 There it is.
He was born in Ecclefechan!! Home of the Ecclefechan cake. What an astonishing coincidence.
HOW THE FUCK DID I MISS THIS?
I think its time for aa to step into the light
Didn't catch it live. Were there many 'ums'?
Um, well, um, that's a good question but, um, it really depends on your frame of reference. How many "um"s is "many" is, um, dependant on what is considered an, um, normal number of "um"s.
A lot of "ums," and "basically," and upward inflections. Californians have the worst accents
sure sure sure sure
@Neo Reactionary I guess it would depend on where in the Midwest. I like a dulcet Midwestern drawl, as opposed to the twang of lower class folk from, say Alabama or Georgia. Southern accents irritate me after a while
Meanwhile, California gifted us with the valley girl, whom all girls everywhere sound like thanks to television
Uhm yes and no
Future Cigar Stream..Curtis Yarvin, James Lindsey and Charlamagne ...make it happen! lol
Yes. That would be absolutely epic.
James is the worst of liberals. He critiques progressives from the progressive lens of 10 years ago. It’s dull. Give me someone who will use slurs. Who does not care for the critique at all. Someone who calls to concentrate the Professors into one location, like a Boise-Warsaw. These liberals are tired.
@@HolyWarrior1 Not at all..he has described and explained why we are in this place better than most people. His New Discourses channel is amazing.
@@FilterHQ Carlyle and Evola has explained exactly where we are 100 years ago.
@Anglia Ex Patria the liberal does not CARE about cognitive dissonance. Owning the libs intellectually is an excessive indulgence that just serves to harden their dreams of oppression. James simply is scoffing at leviathan. Owning the libs is throwing trans-story hour promoters into prison for child abuse and taking those kids from their single mothers and placing them into Church Schools.
Either watch or listen, but can't do both .. Interesting .
Odd that he recommends Dr. Francia after Skeptical Waves uploaded it .... maybe ... maybe Yarvin & SW are ... THE SAME PERSON ??!?
This can only be a cohencidence.
Dr. Francia is a Moldbuggian hero for one special reason: he inflicted forced miscegenation on the entire population of his country. Carlyle seems to have entirely missed this little development in his essay. But, maybe the facts weren't available to him at the time. I do not perceive anything worthwhile in Francia's Paraguay: it had no accomplishments individual or collective. And the miscegenation certainly lowered the likelihood of any future accomplishments.
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Is this available in an audio podcast?
bro just minimize the video lol
@@Zarnubius😄
Bro, it's 2022. It should be available on audio.
@@Womble3rd lmao relax, dude. I can't believe you care that much. 😄
2:16 ‘Sure Jan’.
Holy shit
Dammit. Now I have to read Carlyle.
This interview hit a nerve. Growing up in the 20th Century West, I'm in as screwed up a world as anyone. And when CY talked about Nobles, Conmoners and Peasants, I immediately asked... jesus h christ, which am I? Definately not a peasant... pleasure for it's own sake has always been something I see from the outside, and usually I'm frowning at it inside.
Which leaves me in a pickle regarding the other two. I seem to have landed, in life, smack dab between Noble and Commoner, with contempt for both.
I need to sort this out.
Maybe, it's all bullshit, anyway. We'll see.
@@MisterWebb You're voicing postmodernity in exactly the manner of the pos. Which is to say, re-articulating the question, as if it was the answer.
Do better.
@@MisterWebb You were doing well until the end.
You’re obviously a commoner.
@@MisterWebb Absolute dogshit. If I was literally a Naturalist Sockist I would still think that quote was hyperbolic nonsense at best.
@@bblatnick1 You're funny
@15:55 lies begin... you can even hear it in the inflection of his voice
Good convo despite the Yank interrupting AA constantly.
Visibility test
why is my post vanishing?
Damn
Bad manners in the chat. Reflects negatively on those people, but there should have been better moderating.
This was prerecorded so AA didn't care
“Like”- the ultimate filler feigning humble unspecificity
What is Yarvin's take on the JQ?
He's one
That the dominant force in America and the world is descended from de-Godified protestantism and Js just jumped on the bandwagon
Scattered.
Who is this guy?
Moldbug
AA's daddy.
sure
So this interview effectivelly puts AA into Thielbucks payroll? Umm...
I see no shore
Carlyle was Scottish not English.
Rittenhouse was a hero for the idea of self defense, not a hero himself. I don't know why AA wants an 18 year old kid to be a heroic right wing figure.
You serious!? The hero is explicitly someone who refuses the task himself, but is thrown into the task nonetheless. It just happened to him, this is why he is a real hero by definition.
@@non-playercharacter3359 AA is upset that he’s not a political hero aligned with his specific views.
@@ClingingMars He is an heroic figure nonetheless, because the hero never choses, he just is because he was there at the right time, right place, and did what was asked of him.
AA is naive, he wants the kid to become a martyr. Something someone like him will would never do.
The point isn’t that he should be some kind of hero, the point is that a lot of figures on the mainstream right (“conservative inc.” if you will) are trying to make him into one when he clearly isn’t.
"The greatest men of my generation are selling adds"
Ads
@@goldfishy Aids
The greatest men of my generation are showeling snow
Yarvin sounds much better on 1.25 or 1.5
Shady Yarvin
Slim Moldbug
Umm, like, um, er, you know?
Sure sure sure sure sure sure sure sure
yoo
Is that Nick Land interview Curtis Yarvin? Am I a racist for suggesting that all British people sound alike? I'm kidding, but is that Nick Land?
No, but it's Nicolaus Landmass
How does Carlyle hero worship “heroism” and poetry help us stop the great replacement?
Does it hinder us?
To succeed, a dissident right-wing movement has to be more than just anti-leftist. It's also not enough to endlessly homage past works of Western cultural production.
A movement has to stand for something positive on its own. It has to be future-oriented. To achieve this, we need new artists, writers, film makers, etc who can communicate through aesthetics an alternative to the liberal worldview we all hate so much.
@@_GOD_HAND_ well said. Comments like OP’s makes me think he might have been red-pilled on immigration last week.
@@_GOD_HAND_ yes.
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 you’re using 18th century language to describe people get off the internet you’re going to get replaced and you’re of no use to anyone
Yeah, nah. Guest has the modern and infuriating habit of the over-using the word 'like'. This for me is an instant click away, as it shows his mind is well and truly colonized by meme-culture and sound-bite modernism. Or whatever the hell it is that has these people not able to speak clearly and well.
Harsh 😂 and almost fair.
I think you would appreciate his writing. No "likes" in there.
He is hard to listen to.
So who takes a concept like "antinomian," a context specific theological term, takes out the "anti," slaps a "pro" on it, and thinks that adequately explains the difference between political factions?
An atheist who thinks in binary American politics, that's who
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 It's just the old left/right dichotomy repackaged in a pretentious format. It brings nothing new to the table
@@donjuanmckenzie4897 To an extent, but it's very subjective and easy to mess up
We meet again! I regret to inform you that you're talking out of your ignorance again. Like I said last time, its clear you're regurgitating what you've heard other people say about Yarvin/ Moldbug and have never actually read him.
@joe shmoe That's not an argument and as I understand it, not what he believes. Or at least, a gross simplification.
by far the most boring thing I've ever seen Curtis Yarvin do
Really? You wanted the twentieth "explain the cathederal to a normie, read an FDR speech awkwardly, and shill *Austrian painter figure lives*"?
Not that there's anything wrong with him doing those interviews but we've all seen it
Plotinus
this is nick land under disguise
Nick Land's philosophy is just Moldbug's philosophy regurgitated through an edgy 90s computer hacker filter