I'm just starting to learn piano using Bastien's "Piano for Adults", and am playing "Stars Above" on page 75. It has me playing an F# on the right hand with my thumb. Is that not the right thing to do?
Key words are: when possible. Some parts you have no choice, I ain't stretching my hand from F# to C# to E and back without having my thumb on the F#, especially if the passage is fast paced.
He said whenever possible, if it's easier to use your thumbs, just use the thumb, what he's saying is when playing scales or melodies or *sometimes* arpeggios, it's better to have your thumb only play white keys
It's just a rule of thumb (pun intended), no strict law. Fingering is always specific to the piece and the player. So those are exceptions proving the general rule.
Yup, and I think he should have used different wording, not "if possible". It is always possible, but at what cost, is the question. Right? Anyways, when you do put the thumb on black keys, you've got to accept the consequences, if you know what I mean. To let your hand like fly up and forwards onto the black keys in order for your thumb to effortlessly land on them without stretching to turn your hand out to the side. Good luck:)
No. Many Bach Fugues are IMPOSSIBLE without using thumbs on black keys. And - every edition has the same fingering (or is it thumbing). One I was playing the other day (Bk1 #17) had 3 black notes in a row - EACH ONE requiring a thumb.
how is everyone in the comments missing the part where he says "if possible" he's obviously already covered your exceptions. guys you're not having a gotcha moment, you're just dense
"If possible" is a dense choice of wording on his part, and it's so irresponsible as well. I hate so much the thought of any student feeling compelled to construct the maddest of possible fingerings just in order to avoid the thumb on black keys, not realizing he could just move his hand in most cases. "If practical and easy" would be better. Just look at all the confused people here in the comments... Yeah, just tell them they're dense.
@@ylevision7088 absolutely - since I wrote my first comment - (which someone disparaging pointed out "if possible') - I've come across several times a day times where not putting the thumb on BLACK would be damaging. "If possible" is far too strong advice - taking into account his very strong push, push, push (and title!) to not use the thumb on black. It called for much more careful wording, and hopefully some examples of the numerous exceptions.
@@ylevision7088 If you can't critically think your way through situations on an instrument then you aren't going to get very far. There's a lot of skill and attention to detail in playing an instrument. You will not always have a teacher with you every second of the day. If you are incapable of recognizing times where you should use your thumb on a black key, for instance, then you just may not have the capacity to problem solve on an instrument. And that's fine too
All is in the "whenever possible". When it's easier, it's easier.
I'm looking at you, Yann Tiersen, with your insane reaches in E-flat major.
Move the hand toward the fallboard when playing the thumb (or pinkie) in black keys.
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My first thought too. I don't fancy spreading 1st and 4th over an octave.
My thought as well 😁
Yup, my thoughts exactly. I play this song all the time and couldn't imagine doing it without using thumbs on the black keys with the left hand.
@@dividebyzero76061,4 is really chill for an octave
"If possible" clearly makes allowances for octaves everyone 🙄
Thanks I needed this
Meanwhile Chopin's Nocturne op 9 no 2 be like:
Chopin is quite the rule breaker!
Thank you, But also don't forget to use thumbs when the black keys are an octave ❤❤
Yea man!
That is true, but only until the end of the Baroque era.
ill still use it...
I'm just starting to learn piano using Bastien's "Piano for Adults", and am playing "Stars Above" on page 75. It has me playing an F# on the right hand with my thumb. Is that not the right thing to do?
Key words are: when possible. Some parts you have no choice, I ain't stretching my hand from F# to C# to E and back without having my thumb on the F#, especially if the passage is fast paced.
You're doing it right, don't worry.
You're gonna break that "rule" a lot.
There are exceptions, like how could you do octaves without using the thumb?
Is this for BOTH hands???
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@jazerleepiano Do you play Beethhoven's Moonlight without black keys thumbing, or also trying to do it less in it? 🤔
What about the pinky I actually start avoiding using pinky on the black keys idk why did i do something wrong?
How do I play moonlight sonata 1st movement then?
Me when I have to play an octave:🤟
Where do i get the best of this question mark
Unless you play chopin black keys etude
Why if you are playing an octave????
He said whenever possible, if it's easier to use your thumbs, just use the thumb, what he's saying is when playing scales or melodies or *sometimes* arpeggios, it's better to have your thumb only play white keys
What if the fingering is not possible to avoid thumb on black key?
he said "if possible "
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how to play chopin black keys then without that thumb i saw people play it with their thumb
It's just a rule of thumb (pun intended), no strict law.
Fingering is always specific to the piece and the player. So those are exceptions proving the general rule.
@@franzwin6772 alr thank you
he said "avoid if possible "
not "never no matter what"
@@rami-succar7356 al right thank you
Chopin’s pieces often require thumb on black keys
How about playing intervals 😅
What about when playing on F# 😅
Triads?
Im tryna learn beethoven moonlight sonata, and its very hard to do black keys with thumbs, but its the only way
Yup, and I think he should have used different wording, not "if possible". It is always possible, but at what cost, is the question. Right?
Anyways, when you do put the thumb on black keys, you've got to accept the consequences, if you know what I mean. To let your hand like fly up and forwards onto the black keys in order for your thumb to effortlessly land on them without stretching to turn your hand out to the side. Good luck:)
Guess Rachmaninoff skipped class that day
Who tf wants to use the thumb on a black key
No.
Many Bach Fugues are IMPOSSIBLE without using thumbs on black keys. And - every edition has the same fingering (or is it thumbing). One I was playing the other day (Bk1 #17) had 3 black notes in a row - EACH ONE requiring a thumb.
"If possible"
@@FelOld for a start, the Title needs altering.
Pretty racist
What? How is that racist
how is everyone in the comments missing the part where he says "if possible"
he's obviously already covered your exceptions. guys you're not having a gotcha moment, you're just dense
"If possible" is a dense choice of wording on his part, and it's so irresponsible as well.
I hate so much the thought of any student feeling compelled to construct the maddest of possible fingerings just in order to avoid the thumb on black keys, not realizing he could just move his hand in most cases. "If practical and easy" would be better.
Just look at all the confused people here in the comments... Yeah, just tell them they're dense.
@@ylevision7088 absolutely - since I wrote my first comment - (which someone disparaging pointed out "if possible') - I've come across several times a day times where not putting the thumb on BLACK would be damaging.
"If possible" is far too strong advice - taking into account his very strong push, push, push (and title!) to not use the thumb on black. It called for much more careful wording, and hopefully some examples of the numerous exceptions.
@@ylevision7088 If you can't critically think your way through situations on an instrument then you aren't going to get very far. There's a lot of skill and attention to detail in playing an instrument. You will not always have a teacher with you every second of the day. If you are incapable of recognizing times where you should use your thumb on a black key, for instance, then you just may not have the capacity to problem solve on an instrument. And that's fine too
It's always *possible* to avoid it. IF you don't mind sounding rubbish.