Yep, was gonna come down here to say that, since it makes him excellent particularly in Osgir, among other Lorehold adjacent decks. Still nothing that would sway the price like his excellence in 60 card formats, though :P
I still remember when Planeswalkers hit in 2007. Talk about some divisive conversations at the local card store, whew. In my town, originally, about 70% didn't like them and 30% loved the new power.
They were mostly not strong though. At first. Sarkhan 1.0, Koth 1.0 and Sorin 1.0 were all hype. Gideon 1.0 and Elspeth 1.0 and 2.0 were real, setting a trend for PW to be mostly a White thing. Ajani M13 which I think was Ajani 3.0 was, as I recall, 🤔 "almost good enough for Standard but no Elspeth". Rotation frequently killed them if the Pre-Release didn't get them first. Jace TMS and Tezzeret 1.0 were good at unfair things. Liliana 1.0 was for casual. The only non White early days Walker I remember being actually as good as the hype over the card type was Garruk 1.0. He was very very good at fair things and remained good for Modern. Good even in a Design sense as he did not require Banning like Jace TMS. Planeswalkers are almost single-handedly responsible for the surge in Commander because they're basically all broken in Commander because they're almost untouchable Charms. I'd say "Early Days" of Planeswalkers can count Zendikar, Scars, and maybe Innistrad block. Liliana 2.0 looked a lot like a toned down Jace TMS to make up for banning a flagship card. +0 format advantage after you ban Jace to go down a card design. I'll accept that some people would argue LotV should get more credit than that as a solid Modern star but it's hard for her to not immediately be compared to Mind Sculptor in every context. Most PW cards weren't actually good they were Timmy traps. Oh and they ruin draft but that's different. For all the hype around them, relatively very few were good in Standard and then good in Modern post rotation and then not busted enough to be banned in either. Perhaps besides Garruk I can think of one card in particular who is an honest, good, Planeswalker without being a bad design: Tezzeret Agent of Bolas. Not too little and not too much. 🙂 about just right.
They were out of hand because there were so few ways to really interact with them at the time, despite the errata for the damage. Nowadays they're not so bad because a lot of newly printed cards that would only target creatures before now target planeswalkers too, like Hero's Downfall and Baneful Mastery for example.
I am surprised that the most expensive planeswalker is only $43. I remember a time when Jace the Mind Sculptor was over $200. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Planeswalkers in general have really fallen far. (Obviously, as this video illustrates.) It’s really a shame, considering how massively integral they are to Magic lore. I mean, I’m not gonna complain that these cards are cheaper. But they used to be expensive because they were powerful, and against my better financial judgment, I hope WotC will find a way to put them on par with modern power creep. Which I hate to say. Power creep and overpriced cards are big problems in the game. But come on, Planeswalkers deserve to be powerful.
WRENN AND SIX has dropped ALOT in price! I think when they first came out they were, well, a stupid amount, now, for a GREAT card, thats much more reasonable. But now im sorry were never going to get a Wren and Ten, but hey, her and Realmbteaker went out in the biggest of best'ests of ways. AND I LOVE THAT CARD WITH HER GETTING CARRIED BY THE MIRRIDENS IN THE END. They knew it was such a pivotal moment and made it look PHENOMENAL!!!❤
It's interesting how most of these are like half of what they were worth a few years ago. Also a little shocked that Liliana of the Veil dropped right off the list after being reprinted (remember when that was like 80-90?).
6:16 Small correction here: Karn's +1 isn't limited to artifacts you control, it can also be used on opponents artifacts. This is quite relevant as this is often used to destroy 0 mana artifacts (like clues for instance) by turning them into 0/0.
Daretti sees a ton of play in Cube. It's one of those cards that most Rakdos synergies love. Sacrifice, Destroy and "Reanimate". Plus it being 3 mana makes it pretty powerful as well.
Ahhhh price tags, they're the sole reason I haven't bought into paper Vintage yet. Because God cards are expensive. I bet a lot of money that the cards on "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)" would be quite expensive too.
I was surprised to not see Karn Liberated. I remember I bought one for my friend's birthday gift at $40 and later was kicking myself when I saw it shot up to around 80. I guess the reprints and decrease in demand in favor of half Karn brought it lower.
The only one of these I own is Teferi, Hero of Dominaria, who I just happened to pull by sheer luck back when Dominaria was first released. I do have him in a sleeved Azorius Commander deck right now, but he very rarely pops up.
> Got to the end of the video. > Looked up Liliana of the Veil. > SHOCKED... she's 17 bucks as of the time of this post... ...She used to be over 100 dollars. How the might have fallen. :' (
Karn can get exiled cards in edh but he’s especially crazy in my vehicle deck where he can animate my vehicles with his +1. The stony silence effect is just icing on the cake. He’s def good in edh but is more specific to artifact decks like u said
I don't follow MTG much anymore, but I'm still kinda surprised Lilliana of the Veil didn't make it on the list. I guess it's the standard reprint? Regardless, it is crazy to see how much cheaper PWs are than I remember when I was more active between 2010 - 2019.
Card prices have tanked. Even Wrenn used to be a 90 USD card just a few years back. Either things have been reprinted aplenty or MTG popularity has gone down. I do not think MTG is less popular. 🤔
Tezzeret the Seeker is available in Duel Decks foil and I thought he was available for less than $20? Perhaps he's going up because he will never be irrelevant in Vintage. He's still I think the only card that can so cheaply untap Mana Vault or Grim Monolith and Time Vault in the same turn which must still be playable in Vintage. I don't know if he's a T1 play consistently but by T2 he really is very Vintage consistent. The Wandering Emperor is mechanically competing with some Teferi's but is more like a strange mono White charm. None of her effects are great at 4 mana but having them on a single card, and having a dream of actually getting more than 2 uses out of her in ideal circumstances, is worth trying to build a deck that supports her. One reprint could wreck her though. Sarkhan Unbroken the dragon token should have haste but the +1 is good and he happens to be one of the Walkers that ETBs to win the game with Doubling Season. He actually has Doubling Season's color in his colors too. Liliana Dreadhorde General is not bad in gameplay and has some appeal to her art being a good compromise between sexy and modest and also has a very special premium version calling attention to herself on the internet (see the One Ring). Japanese Liliana doesn't bring down regular copies prices because it helps broadcast to a large enough audience to buouy demand up for even just for collectors who like anything Zombies. She seems easy to powercreep. Sheoldred maybe? Karn Great Creator should be a $40 card. A bold claim but he can use Null Rod's ability, is not RL, and at 4 mana as a Planeswalker fits well in Commander. Anyone who can't get Null Rod should want Karn.
You failed to mention that Karn doesn't only grab big or tech stuff from your sideboard, in Green Devotion it's also an infinite combo with that MDFC Cauldron/Double Regrowth from Strixhaven. If you have enough mana (and you probably have thanks to Nykthos) you can grab the Cauldron, cast it as its back side, get back Karn and Kiora from your grave, cast them (and keep these copies of them), untap Nykthos with Kiora, and then do this all over again because Karn grabs from the sideboard OR exile, and the backside of the Cauldrom exiles itself. It technically doesn't win cause both players gain 4 life, but it's basically a win with how much you bore your opponent to death.
The front side of the cauldron can mill for X, where X is the amount of life you've gained this turn. You need a way to make the black, but it absolutely is a win condition.
hey Professor @Nizz, is the #6 card the most amount of time that you've ever discussed a card on one of your lists? You went on for a long time, I was impressed !
Thing is, it forces your opponent to answer it while you get value elsewhere. If they can't answer the walker (be it protecting them or they chose to ignore them), the walker can create a very lopsided game of resources. Take Emperor for example. She can flash in, exile a card, and then untap to start distributing counters or trade herself to give you another 2/2. That's solid value for a 4, and then you still have the power to just tick her up to buff creatures.
@@superbaas8822 there are merits and philosophies that differ in magic. I just find that planeswalkers , since they can be targeted by combat damage, as opposed to a creature which allows the controller to designate a blocking solution, is a liability in most of the types of decks I choose to construct. Fair?
@@genozuzek7401 That's proper balance. Planeswalkers are meant to represent the epitome of power and value, and thus the ways they can be answered need to be numerous and availuable to every deck.
8:27 not entirely true. Karn was in a secret lair. It was the one with old border and old style of text on planeswalkers. He also got the stained glass version which was a surprise card in some of the early drops. Those are, however, not meaningful reprints which is likely your point
Suprised Karn doesn't cost more. That's such an overpowered card in the general meta, at least in Historic. I would assume all formats run him because of his versatility.
Its not very surprising. Nearly every planeswalker printed isn't very good. They were good in their standard format sure, but in eternal formats and multiplayer games? Majority of them are dead cardboard lmao.
Worth talking about while Karn can’t wish for anything in EDH, he has a unique ability to retrieve artifact cards that get exiled.
trueeeee
Didn't even think about that, I'll prolly add him to my Osgir deck
Yep, was gonna come down here to say that, since it makes him excellent particularly in Osgir, among other Lorehold adjacent decks. Still nothing that would sway the price like his excellence in 60 card formats, though :P
@@RappingChipmunk it literally says "or in exile" lol
@@Nouxatar damn I didn’t read that shit fr lol, my bad
I still remember when Planeswalkers hit in 2007. Talk about some divisive conversations at the local card store, whew. In my town, originally, about 70% didn't like them and 30% loved the new power.
They were mostly not strong though. At first.
Sarkhan 1.0, Koth 1.0 and Sorin 1.0 were all hype. Gideon 1.0 and Elspeth 1.0 and 2.0 were real, setting a trend for PW to be mostly a White thing.
Ajani M13 which I think was Ajani 3.0 was, as I recall, 🤔 "almost good enough for Standard but no Elspeth". Rotation frequently killed them if the Pre-Release didn't get them first. Jace TMS and Tezzeret 1.0 were good at unfair things. Liliana 1.0 was for casual.
The only non White early days Walker I remember being actually as good as the hype over the card type was Garruk 1.0. He was very very good at fair things and remained good for Modern. Good even in a Design sense as he did not require Banning like Jace TMS.
Planeswalkers are almost single-handedly responsible for the surge in Commander because they're basically all broken in Commander because they're almost untouchable Charms.
I'd say "Early Days" of Planeswalkers can count Zendikar, Scars, and maybe Innistrad block.
Liliana 2.0 looked a lot like a toned down Jace TMS to make up for banning a flagship card. +0 format advantage after you ban Jace to go down a card design.
I'll accept that some people would argue LotV should get more credit than that as a solid Modern star but it's hard for her to not immediately be compared to Mind Sculptor in every context.
Most PW cards weren't actually good they were Timmy traps.
Oh and they ruin draft but that's different.
For all the hype around them, relatively very few were good in Standard and then good in Modern post rotation and then not busted enough to be banned in either.
Perhaps besides Garruk I can think of one card in particular who is an honest, good, Planeswalker without being a bad design:
Tezzeret Agent of Bolas. Not too little and not too much. 🙂 about just right.
They were out of hand because there were so few ways to really interact with them at the time, despite the errata for the damage. Nowadays they're not so bad because a lot of newly printed cards that would only target creatures before now target planeswalkers too, like Hero's Downfall and Baneful Mastery for example.
I am surprised that the most expensive planeswalker is only $43. I remember a time when Jace the Mind Sculptor was over $200. Oh how the mighty have fallen.
Oko was an $80 or so card in the like, two months he was allowed to exist, wasn't he?
Was
Planeswalkers in general have really fallen far. (Obviously, as this video illustrates.) It’s really a shame, considering how massively integral they are to Magic lore.
I mean, I’m not gonna complain that these cards are cheaper. But they used to be expensive because they were powerful, and against my better financial judgment, I hope WotC will find a way to put them on par with modern power creep. Which I hate to say. Power creep and overpriced cards are big problems in the game. But come on, Planeswalkers deserve to be powerful.
Remember when Liliana of the veil was 148?
WRENN AND SIX has dropped ALOT in price! I think when they first came out they were, well, a stupid amount, now, for a GREAT card, thats much more reasonable.
But now im sorry were never going to get a Wren and Ten, but hey, her and Realmbteaker went out in the biggest of best'ests of ways.
AND I LOVE THAT CARD WITH HER GETTING CARRIED BY THE MIRRIDENS IN THE END. They knew it was such a pivotal moment and made it look PHENOMENAL!!!❤
That art really evoked a Rembrant or Michaelangelo feel in its composition. It really stood out in the best way possible.
@@CanadianBaconPwnageWhat is the card?
@@keithbarlow9701storm the Seedcore
Liliana of the veil isn't even on this list.
@@keithbarlow9701 Storm the Seedcore.
It's interesting how most of these are like half of what they were worth a few years ago.
Also a little shocked that Liliana of the Veil dropped right off the list after being reprinted (remember when that was like 80-90?).
I remember when I bought one before the spike for like $40 and thinking "DAMN I got a great return on that!" 😅 To be fair that was in like 2013...
2017 she was around $110.
That’s cuz wizards ruined the game for all of us
Veil also, like, used to be played.
@@TheShinyFeraligatr Boomer Jund sadness.
6:16 Small correction here: Karn's +1 isn't limited to artifacts you control, it can also be used on opponents artifacts. This is quite relevant as this is often used to destroy 0 mana artifacts (like clues for instance) by turning them into 0/0.
Wow those Top 8s for Jace are impressive.
Daretti sees a ton of play in Cube. It's one of those cards that most Rakdos synergies love. Sacrifice, Destroy and "Reanimate". Plus it being 3 mana makes it pretty powerful as well.
Ahhhh price tags, they're the sole reason I haven't bought into paper Vintage yet. Because God cards are expensive. I bet a lot of money that the cards on "Top 10 Vintage Cards (Minus Power 9)" would be quite expensive too.
Paper vintage isnt affordable at all for people with „normal“ jobs :D
Paper vintage
Where you spend about 10,000 dollars per turn you get to play
This is why EDH exists.
@@jonothanthrace1530 There is no correlation at all.
@@jonothanthrace1530 edh is also pretty dang expensive unless you proxy
I was surprised to not see Karn Liberated. I remember I bought one for my friend's birthday gift at $40 and later was kicking myself when I saw it shot up to around 80. I guess the reprints and decrease in demand in favor of half Karn brought it lower.
The only one of these I own is Teferi, Hero of Dominaria, who I just happened to pull by sheer luck back when Dominaria was first released. I do have him in a sleeved Azorius Commander deck right now, but he very rarely pops up.
> Got to the end of the video.
> Looked up Liliana of the Veil.
> SHOCKED... she's 17 bucks as of the time of this post...
...She used to be over 100 dollars. How the might have fallen. :' (
Karn can get exiled cards in edh but he’s especially crazy in my vehicle deck where he can animate my vehicles with his +1. The stony silence effect is just icing on the cake. He’s def good in edh but is more specific to artifact decks like u said
I don't follow MTG much anymore, but I'm still kinda surprised Lilliana of the Veil didn't make it on the list. I guess it's the standard reprint? Regardless, it is crazy to see how much cheaper PWs are than I remember when I was more active between 2010 - 2019.
I think I paid enough for Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge to make #4 on the list, around 6 months ago. So these prices must jostle around a lot.
karn creator actually got bolas citadel in my EDH game that got exiled
Very thankful they're pulling back to 1 a set. Makes them more impactful
I think these kinds of arbitrary restrictions are dumb. Yeah we don't need like 6 or 7 a set. But having like 2 in the same set is fine.
I remember JTMS costing $200 a pop...
Ugin, until a month ago or so was only $20 - the Eldrazi commander deck which made him way more castable spiked his price
Card prices have tanked. Even Wrenn used to be a 90 USD card just a few years back. Either things have been reprinted aplenty or MTG popularity has gone down. I do not think MTG is less popular. 🤔
Tezzeret the Seeker is available in Duel Decks foil and I thought he was available for less than $20? Perhaps he's going up because he will never be irrelevant in Vintage.
He's still I think the only card that can so cheaply untap Mana Vault or Grim Monolith and Time Vault in the same turn which must still be playable in Vintage.
I don't know if he's a T1 play consistently but by T2 he really is very Vintage consistent.
The Wandering Emperor is mechanically competing with some Teferi's but is more like a strange mono White charm. None of her effects are great at 4 mana but having them on a single card, and having a dream of actually getting more than 2 uses out of her in ideal circumstances, is worth trying to build a deck that supports her. One reprint could wreck her though.
Sarkhan Unbroken the dragon token should have haste but the +1 is good and he happens to be one of the Walkers that ETBs to win the game with Doubling Season. He actually has Doubling Season's color in his colors too.
Liliana Dreadhorde General is not bad in gameplay and has some appeal to her art being a good compromise between sexy and modest and also has a very special premium version calling attention to herself on the internet (see the One Ring). Japanese Liliana doesn't bring down regular copies prices because it helps broadcast to a large enough audience to buouy demand up for even just for collectors who like anything Zombies. She seems easy to powercreep. Sheoldred maybe?
Karn Great Creator should be a $40 card. A bold claim but he can use Null Rod's ability, is not RL, and at 4 mana as a Planeswalker fits well in Commander. Anyone who can't get Null Rod should want Karn.
Before it got reprinted, Wrenn and Six was $95 lol insane
You failed to mention that Karn doesn't only grab big or tech stuff from your sideboard, in Green Devotion it's also an infinite combo with that MDFC Cauldron/Double Regrowth from Strixhaven. If you have enough mana (and you probably have thanks to Nykthos) you can grab the Cauldron, cast it as its back side, get back Karn and Kiora from your grave, cast them (and keep these copies of them), untap Nykthos with Kiora, and then do this all over again because Karn grabs from the sideboard OR exile, and the backside of the Cauldrom exiles itself. It technically doesn't win cause both players gain 4 life, but it's basically a win with how much you bore your opponent to death.
The front side of the cauldron can mill for X, where X is the amount of life you've gained this turn. You need a way to make the black, but it absolutely is a win condition.
@@littlegeek5159 right, forgot about that
surprised no lilly of the veil
In MTGA I once beat an opponent who brought out TWO Ugins over the course of the game. God I wish I had a recording of that.
hey Professor @Nizz, is the #6 card the most amount of time that you've ever discussed a card on one of your lists? You went on for a long time, I was impressed !
I don't run planeswalkers. I always end up spending 6 mana for what feels like a 2 mana effect before it gets Merc'ed.
Thing is, it forces your opponent to answer it while you get value elsewhere. If they can't answer the walker (be it protecting them or they chose to ignore them), the walker can create a very lopsided game of resources.
Take Emperor for example. She can flash in, exile a card, and then untap to start distributing counters or trade herself to give you another 2/2. That's solid value for a 4, and then you still have the power to just tick her up to buff creatures.
@@superbaas8822 there are merits and philosophies that differ in magic. I just find that planeswalkers , since they can be targeted by combat damage, as opposed to a creature which allows the controller to designate a blocking solution, is a liability in most of the types of decks I choose to construct. Fair?
@@genozuzek7401 That's proper balance. Planeswalkers are meant to represent the epitome of power and value, and thus the ways they can be answered need to be numerous and availuable to every deck.
Ugin spike because of not being in colorless deck and it’s a fun card
got to jace and i thought "well its gotta be ugin and wrenn at 1 and 2"
8:27 not entirely true. Karn was in a secret lair. It was the one with old border and old style of text on planeswalkers. He also got the stained glass version which was a surprise card in some of the early drops. Those are, however, not meaningful reprints which is likely your point
I don't really count secret lairs as legit reprints.
Let me repeat: "Static ability" does NOT mean the same thing as "non-loyalty ability"!
poor lily of the veil getting reprint to cheap
Suprised Karn doesn't cost more. That's such an overpowered card in the general meta, at least in Historic. I would assume all formats run him because of his versatility.
Wild how inexpensive walkers are now relative to where they used to be. Jace was around $100 for years.
Its not very surprising. Nearly every planeswalker printed isn't very good. They were good in their standard format sure, but in eternal formats and multiplayer games? Majority of them are dead cardboard lmao.
@@WhipLash42o True. Walkers used to be one of the best value engines but now we have creatures with walker-level repeat value generation.
I’m surprised 3feri didn’t appear on the list.
Probably because he’s banned in Pioneer.
He is a modern staple, but is only a 4 of in 4c Omnath and UW Control.
I was thinking this was going to be a top 10 on CMC or expensive abilities not $ amount before starting the video.
I'm guessing Wizards of the Coast will not be sponsoring any of your "worst cards" lists or "most expensive" lists.
Ten more reasons to maindeck Pithing Needle.
This video 1 year ago would be insanely different
Why did the prices go down so much?
Faster formats and more answers to planeswalkers being printed.
I don't keep up with eternal... im guessing 3 mana Teferi is banned 😅
Yeah it’s banned in pioneer lol
Watching this so I know what to not include in my budget list ideas.
Card Kingdom prices are actual scams lol
Yeah and what the hell is VG condition? Very good? In collector parlance I guess that means “old and kinda gross”.
Omg oko didnt even make the list?
No of course not this mf is like banned everywhere
I made a lot of money off of the number 8 card
Daretti looks broken AF, for a cheap artifact deck. Sac an Orithropter and destroy a Darksteel Colossus.
$274.90
not that bad
Ugins 8 mana really is pointless almost to consider downside. 8 colorless and 4 blue are both turn 4 planeswalkers.
bro Tibalt the fiend blooded should be first
The original isn't worth very much. The secret lair printing, which isn't legal for this list, is worth quite a lot though.