Which is FASTER !! 64 GTO Tri-Power or 69 Hurst Olds - 1/4 Mile DRAG RACE - RoadTestTV
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- Which is Faster?? - 1964 Tri Power GTO vs 1969 455 HO Hurst Olds ??
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Another video of old school muscle cars going head to head in 1/4 mile battle. In one lane is a 1964 GTO, which was the car that started the muscle car era as a result of John DeLorean's insight and rule bending. DeLorean made the GTO happen by making it an option for Tempest buyers rather than a new car. If it were a new model, it would require federal government testing; however, as an option, it would not. The result a very short time-frame from concept to public availability.
In the other lane is another iconic muscle car rule breaker, the 1969 Hurst Olds. GM had a 400 cubic inch engine size cap in mid-sized vehicles such as the Tempest and Cutlass; however, the Oldsmobile division got around that rule by partnering with George Hurst of Hurst Shifter fame. The result, a mid size GM coupe with 455 Cubic inches of Detroit Muscle.
The 1964 GTO in this video is powered by a 389 Cubic Inch (6.5 Liter) V8 which was rated at 348 Horsepower and 428 lb-ft of torque because it has the relatively rare tri-power option. The Hurst Olds is powered by Oldsmobile's massive 455 Cubic Inch (7.4 Liter) Big Block rated at 380 Horsepower and 500 lb-ft of torque. Both cars are competing in the Pure Stock Drags, so modifications are limited to porting, blue printing and minor weight reduction without altering the stock appearance. That means stock intake manifold, stock exhaust manifolds and street tires.
The GTO is equipped with 4 speed manual transmission, and the only transmission available in the 69 Hurst Olds was the Turbo 400 automatic. So WHO WINs? We think you'll be surprised.
Watch the video and see what happens.
Comment below - Tell us what you think and which car you'd rather own after watching the video...
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idk...ive seen several stock Hurst/Olds get in the high 12's...i wonder if this one wasnt feeling good.
Doesn't seem right when he was in the burnout box. Even my smog choked 73 350 and 75 455 would of done more burning of the tires. But he ran a pretty good time though
Or if the other cars were a bit happy...?
"THREE DEUCES AND A FOUR SPEED AND A 389... LITTLE GTO"👍
No way was that GOAT stock.
I took my 1964 GTO Tri-Power off and dropped on an Edelbrock dual quad setup with 650 AFB's. First run I snapped an axle. Must have taken a second and a half off my time.
Those Pontiac 10 bolts were maxed out at their stock power level.I owned my new one for 6 yrs before I replaced a tired 389 with a 1970 RA/IV crate engine.Right out of the gate,a second gear shift destroyed the differential,spiders and all.Replaced it with a '66 Chevelle 12 bolt with 4.88's.It was a direct bolt in and solved that weakness.Originally ran an adaptor for my Carter on the stock aluminum Quadrajet intake till I could get the $380 for the 4165 gear drive secondary racing carb from Holley.That 800CFM carb was was an awesome piece,but costly.
Fuck yeah!!! Go little GTO!! I got a 64 as well. They are really fast. Something about them for sure.
MmmkayUltra, 1964, GTO was only an option package for the '64 Tempest/Lemans. GTO became its own model in 1965. Do you know why?
@@sergeantmasson3669 Actually it wasn’t its own model with its own vin code until 66
@@dwb131313 Late August in '65 when '66 model began production. Many '66 GTO cars have late '65 production dates. I worked at a Pontiac dealer back then and I still remember a white/blue '66 GTO 2 dr posted sedan that came off the delivery truck in September 1965 along with a '66 GTO red/black A/T convertible.
Right? I was hoping the Pontiac 1964 GTO would win because I personally find it sleeker n impressive enough to win. Plus it passes enough to qualify as either a Spy Car or the BatMobile.
Pontiac builds excitement
Right? I was hoping the Pontiac 1964 GTO would win because I personally find it sleeker n impressive enough to win. Plus it passes enough to qualify as either a Spy Car or the BatMobile.
Esto es interesante 1964 Pontiac Gto Tri Power vs 1969 Oldsmobile Hurst 442 455 Ho
The 64 GTO tri power was the lightest weight of the GTO's and close to the fastest. I had a 64 Goat but only had the 4 barrel carb but usually beat my buddy's 327 Chevelle's. Then came the olds 442's. I could beat them for the short quarter mile but they were gaining ground at the end. Another buddy got a 396 Chevelle and that thing was fast. I had a 66 Goat with three two's but always liked the little 64 GTO. Fastest car I owned was a 66 Vette Convertible with a 390HP. Yellow with a removable hardtop. A friend and I swapped cars one night and I drove his 442 with my girlfriend to a movie. He raced my Vette and let another friend drive it and rolled it down a hill and totaled it. My dad was pissed. My next car was a 66 Impala with a 283 that was slow as a turtle. My fast cars were over.
Hard to pick a favorite from my two favorite brands. Older Brother had a 64 GTO we used to street race. I've had a mixture of 442's and Trans Am/ Formula's. Both seemed to run good here, and thumb up for the video.
That Goat was dialed in plus the driver was off the line quick and with very little wheel spin. I'm an Olds guy so kind of hurt a little to see the H/O run so sluggish.
I'm a Pontiac guy and i know that Hurst Olds should have beat that '64 pretty easy. Most of the time it's all in the tune or being out of it.
Definitely wasn’t the GTO drivers first time down the track. Maybe the Olds wasn’t dialed in. The faster MPH of the GTO shows it was making a bit more power.
@@MidnightinSavannah doubtful. the 442 had 400 lbs of extra luggage to haul down the track.
@@DavidMiddleton-w6x It says approximant, what do the drivers weigh. Plus the Olds has 66 more cu in, the cam in the GTO is a 408 vs the 472 lift cam in the 455 Olds.
Damn man time and time again we see Pontiacs bust ass all the way down the track! 4 speeds at that! I had a friend for years that was a Pontiac man and drag raced a 455. Those things simply DO NOT PLAY! Love this channel like a drag racing TIC TOC it's just enough to get your fix!
Is the Hurst Olds a 455 ?
389 beat the 455? Dang
@Bert Smith Power to weight.
Lighter, meaning faster. 400 less lbs versus 42 more HP
I've never owned an Olds, but the Hurst 442s have got to be one of the coolest looking muscle of it's time!
My old 70 W30 442 with 4 speed wasn't too shabby.
Good race. The guy that owns the Hurt Olds used to come into my shop. His car is totally stock and by looking at his ET's at 1000ft elevation I can believe that. Both cars are awesome.
I love the old GTOs ! My dad had a 66 tri power .FYI that car had over three hundred thousand miles on it when we finally lost track of it. Ever a major repair in all those miles! That was back when GM made a decent car!
My dad had a 1964 tri power GTO.....four speed......it was something. I remember it as a little kid.....the reason
I liked Pontiacs and had so many Trans Ams and Firebirds....all with at least the 400 poncho motor.
I’m thinking the olds has asthmatic symptoms. On the other side of that coin,the goat is not known for being a slouch of any sorts.
Silver - This is Strong for a H/Olds - Cars and Zebras channel has a 69 Hurst Olds racing a Cougar Eliminator, the Olds ran 14.76...Have seen many run HIGH 14s. I love em..don't get me wrong, one of my favorite muscle cars.
I was not expecting that. Not going to bother getting into why, either.
We’ll assume the 389 was rebuilt and there was a bit of head work going on. Couple that with 3.90’s out back and an m21, plus a 350-400# weight advantage.
@@MrBluzhound He-he. Sounds good!
What’s the da +1000?
Means density altitude at time of race is 1000 feet.
When I was a kid, my dad traded for a 64 GTO with a bad engine, dropped a 428 in mated to a Hurst 4 speed. Man it cooked! But being his daily driver in Michigan weather, it was constantly being fixed for rust and other problems til it got to be too much and sold it. Still miss that car
That was not a stock '64 389 GTO.
You're right. He had better tires, than they did in 64.
didn't expect this....
equal drivers and you’ll see an Olds win. Those Hurst Olds models were pretty fast rides in ‘69.
Compliments to the Goat driver and his car prep! The only hard running goat Im aware of was the ram air 4 model in ‘69-‘70.
Equal drivers? They both launched equally. The Olds was a TH400, against a granny shifting 4 spd Goat. All GM A bodies 68 on up were fat-sos. 64s, and 5s were lean machines. If the Olds had a 3.23, and the Goat had 390s, then there's your advantage. And there were plenty of hard charging Goats, (besides the RAIVs) if you're comparing them to Olds. 442s were always credited for better handling than the other GM A bodies, but "most" GTOs (class racing) were beating the 442s, (depending on options). The Pontiac head was known for being the 2nd to worst flowing GM head, (back in the day). The worst for the times, were the Olds. But Bericheck Olds, along with the sponsoring Smothers Bros, Loyde Woodland and Andresian knew how to make them run. So did Joe Mondello, (RIP). Mid 13s was a good time, for both of these cars, in basically stock trim. It was a good and accurate race.
Love both of those cars!
I look at the torque ratings and compare them to today’s cars. In many cases the old cars have way more torque than today’s muscle cars. So besides the tires why are the ets so much slower?
Todays tire technology has it way over the old bias plys of the 60s. (the limiting factor of those cars).
With simple modifications, a lot of the 60s early 70s performance cars, will compete with computer controlled cars of today. And most of the 60s-early 70s cars were much bigger than cars of today.
@@joequillun7790 actually the 60s cars weren’t heavier than todays cars. Look it up. Todays Challenger, Mustang etc are fat pigs compared to the old ones.
@@bryanmclellan8546 Now-a-days, it appears there aren't as many domestic performance cars , as there were back then. And you're right in that the new Mopars are definitely overweight, compared to the mid 60s cars. I was thinking more in the 1970 big engine cars, relative to todays modern passenger cars. A 70 big cube Chevelle, or GTO, base motor car, would weigh close to 2 ton, if not exactly. With a 4 spd, in stock tune, would run approx 14 flat, depending on driver. With stock tires. With a decent set of cheater slicks, and a perf. tune, low 13s. Install a better cam, and open hedders maybe click into the 12s..depending. Those are respectable times, even today.
The modern cars of today, (all 3 of them), are catering to the "senior" adults (who can afford them), and want the performance they remember from the past. So these cars are built for speed, with big injectors, computer controlled timing, roller valve trains, tuned suspensions, and as you mentioned, better tires. So they perform extremely well, considering.
Now if we go back to the 60s, and look at some of the cars that were "built for speed", such as the 427 thunderbolts, hemi darts, S/S AMXs, those cars would run high 10s-lo 11s. With the technology from 50 years ago. And they looked and sounded "so" much cooler than todays electronic lap top cars. But hey, I'm a bit biased. :)
What gear ratio in both cars I'm thinking 4:11 in gto and maybe 3:23 or 3:55 in the olds? Some real close racing...great stuff!
I think they came with 3.42’s with non AC cars able to order 3.91’s.